1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys, 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 4 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, Sabol Scott Today. It's a Tuesday edition 5 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys and for the first time in almost 6 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: four months or five months, what the opens correct? Half 7 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: of us are live from the Star in Frisco as 8 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: a part of Dallas Cowboys Training Camp. Welcome into the 9 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios for me. We've got virtual studios 10 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: for Rob Phillips, Isaiah Stanback, our resident Super Bowl Champion, 11 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: and we've got heck My Harrison joining as always. Boys 12 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: Camp is here. We're in the padded practices where four 13 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: practices into twenty twenty Dallas Cowboys Training Camp and Rob, 14 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: it just feels great to finally be back at the 15 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: Star and having football action being played. It's just great 16 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: to see your face in person, Kyle. I saw you 17 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: down the hall just a second ago. Really great to 18 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: see you with the mask on. We're massed up in here. 19 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: It's very different. Uh, the media access is different. It's 20 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: the new normal for us. But yes, I told Dave 21 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: down the hall a minute ago. I hate taking role 22 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: during training camp. Usually it's eighty ninety guys. I've never 23 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: looked forward to having a roster in my hand so 24 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: much and just be able to just watch football. It's 25 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: it's it's been great so far. Different, not great. We're 26 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: not trying to brag to heck mine. Yes, yes, it's 27 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: not say it all because we've been filling you guys in. 28 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: You've been up on top of things as well. But heck, 29 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: I know you from a fan standpoint that have just 30 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: been itching for the day to learn more, to find 31 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: out more about this Cowboys team. Where you're finally getting 32 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: that opportunity. Well, look, man, it's it's all about the 33 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: fact that training camp has started. All of these mysterious 34 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: things have started to happen. You're starting to see all 35 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: of the battles, position battles starting to take shape. So absolutely, 36 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm ecstatic about it from that standpoint. But man, I'm 37 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: flying blind right now because I can't watch what you watch. Prey. Hey, 38 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time, man, It is a 39 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: matter of time till we all get back together, I 40 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: promise you it is. We're counting down the days to 41 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: do that as well, so that way you all can 42 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: join us here and they ask to BBC Mortgage Studios. 43 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: But Isaiah, from a players standpoint, now that if things 44 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: have kicked off, what's that excitement like building up to 45 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: training camp, especially whenever you've had a crazy off season, 46 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: none of which have been as crazy is this one. 47 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: But when you have a crazy off season that you've 48 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: had to deal with, what's that anticipation like to getting 49 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: back to football? Yeah, you just want to get back 50 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: to some form of normalcy, right, especially in the off 51 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: season that these guys have had, it's been everything but normal. Right. 52 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: So for the veterans, these guys are familiar with what 53 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: it typically should be like, so they're excited just to 54 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: be back on site with coaches, you know, in the 55 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: regular your regular regiment, right, your regular schedule. And for 56 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: the new guys, these guys they don't know any better, right, 57 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: They don't know any different at all, So this is 58 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: all brand new to them. But this is awesome. I 59 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: know these guys are can't you know, could be more 60 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: ecstatic about getting together and just you know, they can't 61 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: put COVID behind them because they're still in it, right. 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 1: But things are getting back to the way that which 63 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: they're familiar with, which is, you know, going out there, 64 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: putting some pads on and running around the field, no doubt, 65 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: And that's the biggest thing, is finally getting back to 66 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: football and kind of getting into the groove of things again. 67 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that everybody looks forward to, media, player, coaches, 68 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: everyone after what has happened in our society lately. But 69 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: one unfortunate news event has happened throughout training camp this offseason, 70 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: or at least through the last couple of days. Gerald 71 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: McCoy out for the season with a rupture to write 72 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: quad tendon. It was confirmed by Stephen Jones yesterday. Just 73 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: kind of a freak accident injury in the middle of 74 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: individual one on one drills, Antoine Woods doing his drill. 75 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy was working in a role as the offensive 76 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: lineman as a blocker, just stepped wrong. Ultimately, is what 77 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: it was. Robin and kind of go into the details 78 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: of this injury and what this is going to do. 79 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: What is this going to do for this defensive line 80 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: moving forward? Well, it's definitely, according to Stephen Jones, this 81 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: is gonna put Gerald McCoy out for the season. You know, 82 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: they do have those designated to return irs, but it 83 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: looks like, you know, he's gonna have surgery today and 84 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: he will miss the rest of this entire season. And look, 85 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I asked Mike McCarthy an hour before the 86 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: injury happened and talk about what an impact he's already 87 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: had on the younger guys on the defensive line. He's 88 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: such a leader, he's a six time Pro bowler. They 89 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: I mean, he was the first guy that they targeted 90 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: in free agency. So it's a big loss and it 91 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: means that they're going to have to adjust. You know, 92 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford is probably the guy you look at first 93 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: because of his experience and the fact that he can 94 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: play play anywhere. And they're gonna be looking forward to 95 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: getting don Terry Poe back into practice soon. But beyond that, 96 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: I know we've talked about younger guys Isaiah and Heck, 97 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: it's Nevill gallilor their third round pick. It's Tristan Hill, 98 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: their second round pick, who's getting more work now with 99 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: the defensive line, they're gonna get opportunities, and there's not 100 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: a preseason for those guys to really show out. They're 101 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: gonna have to show in practice that they can they 102 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: can take those snaps and earn those snaps. But I 103 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: look at TC first as the guy that that's probably 104 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: gonna get more run here. Yeah, I believe that the 105 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: absence of Eryld McCoy, it's gonna be it's gonna be huge, 106 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: right only to the standpoint of the intangibles. He's a 107 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: proven veteran coach. Mike McCarthy said it in this pressor, 108 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, a perennial pro bowler. Uh, it's the leadership, 109 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: It's the things that he's doing with those younger guys. 110 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: But make no mistake about it, man, there are some 111 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: quality reps right now for some younger guys, and I 112 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: look for Tristan Hill to take it full advantage of 113 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: the opportunity and also Neville Gallimore having that opportunity to 114 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, turn that corner and have an opportunity to 115 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: learn this defense firsthand with the ones. But you say it, 116 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: said it right, Rob Tyl Crawford is big time in 117 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: the fact that he can He's multifaceted and can play 118 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: a lot of positions. So his value add just went up. Yeah, fellas, 119 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean man, it sucks, you know, and having been 120 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: a former player and having been somebody who's dealt with 121 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: some serious injuries in the past, Um, it's it's not 122 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: a good place to be right now, you know, especially 123 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: this time in his career where he act he came here, 124 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: or a chance of the Super Bowl, right So that's 125 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: and that's taken completely away from him. Um. I had 126 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: an opportunity to reach out to one of my former doctors, 127 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: doctor Kelly Ryder of the Writer Clinic, and just talked 128 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: to him about the injury, and he was talking about 129 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: how how how integrated the muscle group is, you know, 130 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: from that quadrant of going down into that kneecap, and 131 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: how this is one of those deep, uh in you know, 132 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: inner layer muscle groups that is really hard to deal 133 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: with based upon what we've seen on film. And you know, 134 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: I just want to send prayers up and hope that 135 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: he gets back as healthy as possible. But it sounds 136 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: like it looks like he's gonna be out for about 137 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: six to six to twelve months, depending on how serious 138 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: of surgery is. Once we get the MRI and back, 139 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: we'll have a better idea. But as you guys are 140 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: already attested to. There's opportunity to get better, you know 141 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: for guys. You know, you know we talked about Gallimore, 142 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: you talked about Hell. You know these guys are you know, 143 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: this isn't the way in which they wanted to have 144 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: more reps. But let's be honest, most of the guys 145 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: that have stepped up to the plate in this league 146 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: and became big players that they got their opportunities from 147 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: guys ahead of them has sustaining injuries. So um, not 148 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: the way in which they wanted to go. But you know, 149 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: there's an opportunity for guys to come out show who 150 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: they are, show that they're prepared and go out there 151 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: and make and you know it's we've talked, go ahead, 152 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: go ahead. Well I was just gonna say to add 153 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: on to what happened yesterday. It was disappointing for sure. 154 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about soft tissue injuries being 155 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: a possibility with guys having so much time off. I 156 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: think this was just a freak thing. You know, he 157 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: got his he got his foot stepped on by Antoine Woods, 158 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: and I know they were on turf, they were inside 159 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: at Fort Center and they were again today. I don't 160 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: think it had to do with where they were or 161 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: the time off for Jerry McCoy. It's just it just 162 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: like Isaiah said, it just sucks. It happens. Tyrone Crawford 163 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: got hurt the first day at training camp six seven 164 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: years ago, and it's just it's just a cruel fact 165 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: of the game. Yeah, Rob And just to give everybody 166 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: a little bit better idea of kind of what happened. 167 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: And for those that's seen the film, it kind of 168 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: looked like he just failed right from the outside in. 169 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: But as you watched a drill, you know, you see 170 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: McCoy going back right and then you see the gentleman 171 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: comeback step on his foot. Right, think about if you're 172 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: going backwards and somebody steps on your foot, your initial 173 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: reaction is to do what's to seize up right and 174 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: stop yourself from going back. When you have that much power, 175 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: when you have another three hundred pound man stepping on 176 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: you, you you get that concentric reaction like that that that 177 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: tended pulled exactly pulled right from behind his knee and popped, 178 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: and that's exactly what happened. So it sucks. It absolutely sucks. 179 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: But it like like you detested to you know, I 180 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: talked about how there's gonna be a lot of soft 181 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: tissue injuries all around the league, and you're starting to 182 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: see it already in the first week of practice. But 183 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: this is not that. This is just something that was 184 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: just freaking freak accident is and where you don't have 185 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: a ton of that. Is there anything ultimately that you 186 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: can do Isaiah as a what does a freak accident 187 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: ultimately do? Do it? Nah? Absolutely not. I Mean the 188 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: only thing I tell people all the time for some 189 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: of the injuries I sustained, you can't control things that 190 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: happened to you. You can only control how you react 191 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: and how you respond to them. So him being the 192 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: leader on the team, you're already hurt. In the interview 193 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: earlier in the week about Loony Looney was was yelling 194 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: at the Mountain tops about how big of a leader 195 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: Corey wasn't. How much of a positive impact he's already 196 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: had on the team. Um, And you know, so I 197 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: think his role now becomes get healthy and to be 198 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: that mental, that mentor and the mental and that leader 199 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: on that defense to help help those young guys come 200 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: together and really go out there and performing. Yeah. Absolutely, 201 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: freak accident, and I hate to see anything that as 202 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: far as a friendly fire situation like that. When I 203 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: saw the video of it, it I don't know. I 204 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to see him go down like that. I 205 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: was like, well, it's his knee. How did that happen? 206 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: And that just shows you, man, how you know a 207 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: friendly fire freak accident like that where he's simulating basically 208 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: a dummy for that play and he gets hurt on it. 209 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: That is absolutely not what you want to hear as 210 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan here and that he got hurt like that, 211 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: But again, so is life, and Gerald McCoy is so. 212 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I saw a video of him this morning 213 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: going into surgery and his thing was, man, I'm still smiling, 214 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: he you know, saying Cowboy Nation, I'm here for you. 215 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: I know you guys are you know, we got a 216 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: ship to win and I'm just excited about his recovery 217 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: and next year. But make no mistake about it, we 218 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: have a ton of depth at the defensive line position 219 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: and guys that can play multiple positions and move around. 220 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: And I think you'll see that as well with Everson 221 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Griffin coming into the fold, that leadership that we were 222 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: going to be looking for for McCoy will get that 223 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: with get Griffin. But and I have to say this, 224 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: Rob that you know, Crawford is that guy that has 225 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: been you know, the straw that stirs the drink for 226 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: the Cowboys defensive line. And so he is the guy 227 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: that definitely leadership qualities are gonna be you know, on 228 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: full tilt and display through camping, through the season. Yep, 229 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: oh looks like we lost. We lost, Like okay, we love, 230 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: we love hire. You're man there it is, man, the 231 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: deepens of line is, the depth is It's what it is. 232 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: Just for you, Robin, You've talked about Crawford and his 233 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: leadership ability, you know, kind of expand on that. Well, 234 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: I think he's been I think Isaiah said, what do 235 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: you guys called him a swift Swiss army knife early 236 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: in the offseason. That's exactly what he is. I mean, 237 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: he can play four or five techniques on this defense, 238 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: played pretty much anywhere you need him to play. And 239 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: I think, you know, for me personally, when I came 240 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: back to the Cowboys, it was twenty fifteen and he 241 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: was getting a new contract right then, and I feel 242 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: like a lot of fans have judged him off the 243 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: contract pretty harshly at times. It's not fair. I think 244 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: the guy has played hurt, he's been productive, he's been 245 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: a leader off the field, He's been a guy that's 246 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: been someone that DeMarcus has really looked too in developing 247 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: and learning to be a pro and be a pro 248 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: bowler in this league. And I think, you know, I 249 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit for coming back off 250 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: the double hip surgery because that was not something easy 251 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: to go back from last year. But heck, I know 252 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: Gallimore is a guy for you and I say it too. 253 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: This is a guy that could have been drafted by 254 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: the Cowboys in the second round. And McCarthy spoke to 255 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: him having to play and maybe a little bit different 256 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: style than he did at Oe You but I'm interested 257 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: to see what he could do with some more reps 258 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, the big Fellaws has a great shot. Right. 259 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: We just talked about how many guys in the NFL's 260 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: history has had a chance to come in and step 261 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: in and get reps early on. Right now, we did 262 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: touch on the fact that there is no preseason, so 263 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: that sucks, right, we don't get a chance to get 264 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: him out there and kind of work him into the 265 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: system and work him into being a pro. Now, you, 266 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: young fellow, you just get thrown out there. So now 267 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: you're you're you're a grown man. You know, you're you're 268 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: out of college. You're out there playing amongst grown human beings. Okay, 269 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: these are not recolicized humans, but neither are you, right, 270 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: So great opportunity for you to go out there and 271 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: show who you are. You're you're a big fella, You're 272 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: a strong fellow, You're versatile and um, you know what 273 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: better company to be around. And the guys that are 274 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: gonna be on each side of you on this defensive line. 275 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: And then you look behind you and you got those 276 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: three goons behind you as well, so you're not alone. 277 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: You don't have to do it alone. He's going to 278 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: be surrounded by great support systems in terms of talent 279 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: and a great amazing coaching staff and defensive coordinator. That's 280 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna put him in a position to be successful. Now, 281 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: speaking of those three goons behind him, LV and Big Smooth, 282 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: we've heard a lot of great things about these guys 283 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: being active, flying around and just the defense giving these 284 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: guys an opportunity to show exactly who they are. Robbed. 285 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: You're the only ones that gets an opportunity to see this, 286 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: So you gotta tell me, you gotta Sell'm sorry, don't 287 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: apologize now, but you gotta tell me. What's been your 288 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: biggest impression of Layton vander esh and also Jaylen Smith 289 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: and camp. Well, it's been good to see Layton back 290 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: and he looks like himself. He's moving around great. But 291 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith has been probably my biggest standout of the 292 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: training camp through what four practice this so far. He's 293 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: been all over the field, guys, and he's been and 294 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking about cover situations too, where he's having to 295 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: and it's he's either he's carrying a tight end down 296 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: the field as he did with Blake Jarwin earlier today, 297 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: or it's Zeke Elliott and he's he's busting up plays, 298 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: moving forward screenplays, things of that nature. He's looking really 299 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: active and effective. And you know they've talked about how 300 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: that that position switched. Guys, isn't necessarily a big thing 301 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: between the two guys, but if he's going to be 302 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: out of the box more and roaming more, it seems 303 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: like he might be a great fit for him. Yeah, 304 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: I feel like that's more his natural setting anyways, Right, 305 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: I think his ability to be able to run around 306 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: and make plays and just be free. And I think, 307 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, Nolan coming in and being a coordinatory is 308 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: absolutely huge for his development because he's gonna have that freedom. Right. 309 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: We all know that Nolan likes the blitz, Right, Nolan 310 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: likes the blitz. He's gonna lean on his guys to 311 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: be athletic. Well, we know Jalen Smith is an athletic 312 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: human being, So he's gonna have the opportunity to run 313 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: around and be on the running backs, to be on 314 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: the tight ends, to blitz off the edge, and to 315 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: run sideline. The sideline that's where he's best at. Right. 316 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: We put that we picked the wolf in the middle obviously, 317 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: and that we got Lee on the other side. So 318 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: I think this group complements each other as well, and 319 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: I think where these guys are sliding now allows for 320 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: them to excel to the best of their abilities. Now, 321 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: I've said it before, and I've always felt as though 322 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: the Cowboys got extremely lucky with getting Jaylor Smith out 323 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: of Notre Dame because of that injury injury that he had, 324 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, completely terrible injury that he had in the 325 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: bowl game, but he's showing you how he has healed 326 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: from that drop foot injury and just seeing him out 327 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: in coverage against Ezekiel Elliott the other day. Like you said, Rob, 328 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: he is flying around and also making plays in the 329 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: run game as well. I mean, this is this telling 330 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: us the type of coverages the Cowboys are gonna play 331 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: when you're seeing him spending so much time one on 332 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: one with running backs on is that just a part 333 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: of the deal with him now being at the wheel linebacker. 334 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: I think it's just part of the deal. And I 335 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: think there's gonna be times where he's in the box too, 336 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: and he and Layton are probably switching up a little bit, 337 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: but he's going to be in positions where he's gonna 338 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: have to cover, and he's also going to be in 339 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: those those blitz type positions as well, and I wouldn't 340 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: discount Layton or Sean Lee doing that as well. I 341 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: think the key to this defense, and we've talked about it, 342 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: is is disguising things and having guys play different spots, 343 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: and you know, if they do change up some of 344 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: their alignments, that's that's key because you don't know where 345 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: those rushers are coming from and that's what's really exciting 346 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: about it if they do change things up and make 347 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: things a little more of disguising than they've done in 348 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: the past, which guys have alluded to in the interviews. Right, 349 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: and Isaiah, you've played with a ton of great linebackers 350 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: in your career. How do you, as far as Jane 351 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: Lin Sumid comparison wise, when guys think you've seen and 352 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: you went out on a limb last week about it 353 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: comparing this team, but you're feeling about Jaylen Smith, you know, 354 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: with guys that you've played with in the past. Oh man, 355 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to draw a comparison right now. I feel 356 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: like he's he's pretty dog on athletic man, and it's 357 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: kind of hard to compare him to the old you know. 358 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: For me, and I'm an old school now, the old 359 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: schools style of linebackers, the old school linebackers were more so, Hey, 360 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the box and I'm coming downhill no 361 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: matter what. In this new age of football, you can't 362 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: have those guys. Right. You might be able to have 363 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: one out of your three linebackers, three to four linebackers, 364 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: but your guys got to be able to run around 365 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: because this is the day and age of tight ends. 366 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: Tight Ends can are big, tight Ends can block, tight 367 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: Ends can run, So you have to be able to 368 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: keep up with those guys. And they also are now 369 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: at being asked to cover running backs, and we know 370 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,239 Speaker 1: how shifty those guys have gotten. So I think it's 371 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 1: hard to draw comparison there, but I think his versatility 372 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: is something to definitely acknowledge and to appreciate. And I'm 373 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: pretty dog I'm sure that that Mike Nolan is going 374 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: to have a heck of a time drawing up some 375 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: crazy plays with that with that young man. Yeah, that's 376 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: what I love about him, and to me, he gives 377 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: me that throatback kind of a field as at the 378 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 1: linebacker position. But there is an undrafted free agent that 379 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: is making some noise at the linebacker position. Bernard does 380 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: that ring of ball? Rob You gotta tell me about 381 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: this guy, because I'm hearing a lot of rublins about 382 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: the rookie making some noise and padded practices. Well, I mean, 383 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: I forget how many practices they have left before the 384 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: season starts. Let's say it's sixteen. He's on pace for 385 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: sixteen interceptions in training camp. Because he gets one every day. 386 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: He got a second one today. I think this was 387 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: a pickoff Clayton Thorson, who I think kind of just 388 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: threw it right to him. But hey, it's still a 389 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: big played for the rookie. It's still a big played 390 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: for the rookie. But anytime you pick off Dak Prescott 391 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: and Anthony Brown did it his rookie season. I believe 392 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: it was Tony Rumo that he picked off. Anytime a 393 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: rookie comes in and picks off the starting quarterback, that's 394 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: a big deal. So you know, he's making his market. 395 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: I know that he's a guy that they really liked. 396 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: You know that it's a group of undrafted free agents. 397 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: A lot the guys they had draftable grades on. I 398 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: think he was one of them. And we're seeing why 399 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: have we got our fearless leader back. I've been waiting 400 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: to see if Kyle he's just smiling down here at 401 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: the bottom. So no, he is not. He is not 402 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: back keep rolling, hack, keep rolling. But I'm doing the 403 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: best I can and my best. Kyle Yoma's I presentation 404 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: right now. But as far as as far as athleticism, 405 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: fit and scheme, who are some of the guys that 406 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: you're seeing rob that are definitely, uh besides who we've 407 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: already said, are making an impact in practices on defensive 408 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: side of the ball. Yes, sir, well, I think you know, 409 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: it's been it's been fun to watch DeMarcus Lawrence and 410 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of different role than we've seen 411 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: in the past. And you know, Mike McCarthy spoke to 412 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: it yesterday, experimenting with him standing up and being in 413 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: more of that two point stance. You know, that's something 414 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: that's a little bit more of a versatile type role 415 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: that he hasn't had in the past, and you know, 416 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what they do with that. 417 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: It was it was interesting that McCarthy referred to Julius 418 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: Peppers one of the best pass rushers we've ever seen. 419 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: How that benefited him in Green Bay in terms of 420 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: vision and being able to kind of get a read 421 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: on the quarterback more that way than than the three 422 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: points stands. So they're they're trying different things and I 423 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: think it's you know, it's the time to do it now. 424 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of time before the start 425 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: of the season, but obviously they're looking at some different 426 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: options for their for their top guys. Now, I did 427 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: hear that Julius Peppers comparison. And if you're thinking of that, well, 428 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: Julius Peppers is six seven, three hundred pounds. You know, 429 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: that's a massive human being that can play it both 430 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: ways as far as stick in his hand in the 431 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: ground and also playing in that bicycle stand. And he's 432 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: the largest human I've ever played against him my life, 433 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: just a larger than the scene. There's a there's a 434 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: story that I when I was when I was I'm 435 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: not gonna say the other team I was playing for, 436 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: but I was playing for a team and this and 437 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: I was talking to an offensive linement and this joker 438 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: stood up and he walked behind me and the guys. 439 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: The guys looked past me. You know what. Somebody's talking 440 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: to you and they look past you. And I turned 441 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: around and I see this terminator looking gentleman walking past me. 442 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: And I think he's six to eight. I don't I 443 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: was you say six seven. I feel like he was 444 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: like seven ten, all right. And you see this ginormous 445 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: human being just walking by with extra muscles and a 446 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: black miser and you can hear his feet hitting the 447 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: ground and I'm like that whatever that is is not human. 448 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but I don't want 449 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: to hit it. Wow, Kyle is back. Let's say hello again. 450 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: It's been It's been quite the first twenty minutes. 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We've gotten all the 495 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: technical difficulties out of the way early, so that way 496 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: the next forty minutes of this show are as informative 497 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: as potentially possible. Uh. Sorry for the technical delays, and 498 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: for those of you listening on podcasts later on, it 499 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: was a debacle. Let me just let you know that 500 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: later on. However, before we get into this next segment, 501 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: if you're looking for something to change up your dinner routine, 502 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: help support local businesses, you're hearing Frisco by choosing one 503 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: of the Star District's restaurants. 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But I also wanted 512 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: to give credit to CBS eleven as well, CBS eleven 513 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: giving us that shot of the Gerald McCoy injury, seeing 514 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: it really from the beginning with Antoine Woods rising up 515 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: out of his stance and making just minimal contact, just 516 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: a freak accident in the first day on turf, first 517 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: day in pads, and it ultimately is the first injury 518 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: of Trout Cowboys training camp. But there have been a 519 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: ton of positive storylines to roll around this Cowboys team, 520 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: especially on the defensive side of the football. Guys and Rob, 521 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: I want to start things off with you here because 522 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: there's been multiple good things about the defensive side. You 523 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: guys talked about it already, but I've really been looking 524 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: at Jalen Smith, and I've been looking at this line 525 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: back and court with Layton vander esh put back into 526 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: the fold. This is something that Cowboys fans have been 527 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: looking for, but Jaylen Smith's taking it to another level. 528 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: It hasn't even really been normal Jaylen smith type of play. 529 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to put out a prediction or anything, 530 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: but he looks Pro Bowl calider or caliber so far. 531 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: Does any rob you calling a second Pro Bowl for 532 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: fifty four might if he can stop this trend after 533 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: four days of practice. I agree with you. I think 534 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: I said it a minute ago. I think he's he's 535 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: been my top stand out of camp, just how active 536 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: he's been. And they're not tackling and they've only been 537 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: in pads now for a couple of days, but he's 538 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: making plays and coverage. He's making plays moving forward and 539 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: so he's shown his athleticism. And I think it probably 540 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: helps him having Layton next to him because they work 541 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: so well together. And once you get done, Terry Pope 542 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: back in the mix working in team drills. You know, 543 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: you guys have talked about it, Heck Isaiah what he 544 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: can add in terms of eating up space and letting 545 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: those guys him even more. Yeah, I think it's very important. 546 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: I think it's very important guys when you when you 547 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: talk about smooth to just you know, think about what 548 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: type of weapon Mike Nolan has and the versatility of 549 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: being able to switch these defenses out and also have 550 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: him rush from the outside, you know, being past coverage, 551 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: all of those things that Jayle Smith is going to 552 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: be going to allow this defense. But to say that 553 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a Pro Bowl season for him, 554 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: I mean, he can make the Pro Bowl in his sleeping. 555 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: I know that's a little arrogant of a statement, but 556 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: that's just the kind of talent that he has and 557 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: when he's playing full till he's a no brainer. Yeah, 558 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: there's there's no there's no question about his physical ability. Yeah. 559 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: I can't speak to the Pro Bowl after a couple 560 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: of days of practice. I can't speak to that because 561 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: there's some amazing guys who you know who we added 562 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: on that list. But he is he's a he's a 563 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: pree cathlete man, and everybody knows that. Um, you know, 564 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: he's back healthy. He's had a couple of seasons under 565 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: his belt, so he's good to go, and he has 566 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: he has a new defensive coordinator. You know, he's gonna 567 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: have some fun with him and his athleticism. So I'm 568 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: excited to see how he's utilized. I know he's excited 569 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: to be playing next to vander ash and his boy. 570 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, we've talked about how 571 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: those three guys work so well together, and I'm sure 572 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: that he's just looking forward to being free and having 573 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: an opportunity just to ball out, man, just to be 574 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: and I had just ball out with those big guys 575 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: in front of him. Even with McCoy going down, we 576 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: still have some great depth a defensive line, and man, 577 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: those it's really going to free him up. He looks 578 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: that much better. We lost Kyle again again. This is unbelievable. 579 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: You're on bud. Here we go, Here we go again. Hey, 580 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: and you guys are so loud and you're hot in here, 581 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, my ears, I'm trying to listen 582 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: to that. I can't do it. By the wa Thank god. 583 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: This is the craziest I'm at the Star. This doesn't 584 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: make any sense to me. My home WiFi was not 585 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: this bad. But it's okay. We're moving it forward. You 586 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: know what, it's because you've been bragging about being the 587 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: camp being in the podcast. Dude, it's bad. It might 588 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: be it. That's fine, it's karma. I'm gonna move forward 589 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: with this question. I was going to ask you though, 590 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: and whenever we've we've talked about in the past, to 591 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: move from middle linebacker over to the week side linebacker. 592 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: For Jalen Smith, how much freer is he able to 593 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: play in that position and just play the football as 594 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: opposed to what he was doing in the past. He's 595 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: able to be free as you missed because as as 596 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: a as a middle linebacker, obviously you're responsible for everything 597 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: and everything on the defense, right. Um, you have to 598 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: be that center point right, you have to be able 599 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: to take it on all the blocks, and you have 600 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: to be able to get guys lined up. Where you're 601 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: a strong side linebacker, you're usually responsible for that tight end, 602 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: right and I'll lot of times the defense is set 603 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: to wherever the tight end goes. That's why it's called 604 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: a strong side linebacker. And that strong side linebacker goes 605 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: to the number one tight end, so you're responsible for that. 606 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: So when you're on the weak side, you have really 607 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: have the least amount of responsibility right, and you really 608 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: get the opportunity to run around and use your athleticism 609 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: and run around. You utilize more to blitz, utilize more 610 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: in coverage, utilize more if they do have a two 611 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: tight end set to get hands on that number two 612 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: tight end right to disrupt him so that your secondary 613 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: can now come and play coverage. So he's going to 614 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: be able to just be a guy man and just 615 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: be an athletic. And I'm really looking forward to seeing 616 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: how no one's going to use them. And that's something 617 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: heck that we've talked about. Yeah, Mike McCarthy has talked 618 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: about that and several of his press conference is just 619 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: saying that, look, it's all about rotation. It's all about 620 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: getting guys to play when it's important. And Jaylen Smith 621 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: and the other guys, and we have to bring some 622 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: light on the like Luke Gifford, Bernard Thomas, these guys 623 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: are gonna play a tremendous role in that linebacker rotation. 624 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: So Sean Lee right now I've heard isn't you know 625 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: he's just on the sideline working in bands. But Jalen 626 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: Smith at the will linebacker is gonna be lethal. And 627 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: I guess if he have to look at it like this, 628 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: at the mic, you're controlling everything. You're pretty much the 629 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: quarterback of the defense, making sure coverages, your you know, 630 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: protection and everything is right. But now I mean he 631 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: just hey, he can let his hair down literally and 632 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: play a solid as he's been rob Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, 633 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: I think the key to this defense, what Mike Golan 634 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: wants to do, what Mike McCarthy wants for all of 635 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: his players is just find the best thing they're good 636 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: at and accentuated. And I think that's that's the biggest key, 637 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: and not try to fit a scheme or fit a 638 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: schema round players strengths, not make the players fit into 639 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: the scheme itself. And I think they're gonna they're gonna 640 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: try some things out and see how players respond, and 641 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: if they're better suited to do something else from a 642 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: technique standpoint, maybe alignment standpoint, they'll they'll change gears. I mean, 643 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: you got to remember, it's the first time they've been 644 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: on the field with these guys. This is all brand 645 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: new for the coaching staff, and like we mentioned, for 646 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: the younger players, this is almost like a rookie camp 647 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: for some guys. So it's gonna be a little bit 648 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: of a feeling out process, even though they've had virtual 649 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: meetings and virtual discussions about scheme and those things. And Isaiah, 650 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: how refreshing is it? Because we've seen it with Layton Vandersch, 651 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: We've seen it with Jalen Smith, We've seen it with 652 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: a lot of these different players. You can even go 653 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: to the offensive side of the football and say the 654 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: same thing about Amari Cooper and Michael Gallup last year 655 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: with Kellen Moore. But how refreshing is it to have 656 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: a coach understand your strengths and play to those. From 657 00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: a scheme perspective, it's Everything's absolutely everything, especially in this league. UM. 658 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: I think in college guys are are they do just 659 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: that right? Coaches put the best players in the best 660 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: position to be successful, right, um, their jobs on the 661 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: line for whatever reason. Typically when you get to the NFL, 662 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: you're now expected to work within our system. Right, whoever 663 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: you are, you work for me now, and I put 664 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: you wherever I want to that works my scheme, um, 665 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: And I think you're really starting to see a change 666 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: in that that mentality and that thought process around the 667 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: league as you're starting to see these these running backs 668 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: like Kmara, you know, and you're starting to see you know, 669 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: you got guys like you know, Leshan McCoy who really 670 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: changed that, you know, with with old coach Andy Reid 671 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: back in the day, and um so guys have really 672 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: changed that that dynamic and with this group here. You know, 673 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, you look at his history, right when he 674 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: was with the Saints and everything else, he didn't care 675 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: who you were. If you can get to the ball, 676 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: he's putting you. He's putting you in the game, right 677 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: And if you can make plays, putting you in the game. 678 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: If you're explosive, I'm putting you in the game. I 679 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: don't care who you are. I don't care how big 680 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: you are. I don't care how small you are. If 681 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: you can get to the ball and disrupt things and 682 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: create havoc on that side of the ball and bring 683 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: energy to the team, you're my guy. So I think 684 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: that he's going to be excited about having all this 685 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: talent around him. And it's amazing to be able to 686 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: play for a coach like that who acknowledges that and 687 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: doesn't ask you to do more of what and ask 688 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: you to do what you're unable to do or ask 689 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: you to do something outside of yourself. He simply says, Okay, 690 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: this is what you do, well, I'm going to put 691 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: you in a position to excel at that because that's 692 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: where you're most confident, and when you're most confident, you 693 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: play free. That's so true. I mean that's when we 694 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: met with Mike the first two weeks on the job. 695 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: It extends to the evaluation part, the drafting part two, like, 696 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: we're not going to draft guys just based on what 697 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: we think is gonna fit for us. We're gonna go 698 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: get good players and then we'll adjust. And that's that's 699 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: what they've done with their draft, with their free AC 700 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: and the heckless point. When you've got guys who are 701 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: versatile defensively. You mentioned Everson Griffin when he's starting to 702 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: work back in strength and conditioning and he'll get back 703 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: into practice here probably in the next few days. Alvin 704 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: Smith can play different spots. Like I said, I said, 705 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: you get these guys to get after the quarterback, they'll 706 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: find a spot for him on the field, and sometimes 707 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: they'll all be together, sometimes they'll be in a rotation 708 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: of sorts, but they're all gonna be able to contribute 709 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: in different ways that that's pretty exciting. And it's still 710 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: it's still amazed to be seen how they're going to 711 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: use everybody. But but they've got the pieces, even with 712 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: McCoy heart, they've still got so many pieces. Yeah, Rob, 713 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: I love to hear that when you saw hearing those 714 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: words from training camp. Defense is pinning their ears back, 715 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: guys are flying around, is they're being disrupted. Those are 716 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: all the defensive keywords that you want to hear. And 717 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: it sounds like to me, this whole new defensive regime 718 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: is gonna you know, look, I don't not better than 719 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: the last one, but just you know, there's gonna be 720 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: some improvements to the scheme that the Cowboys are playing. 721 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: And you've heard that in the interview with a Woozier 722 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: just talking about the way that the defense, the guys 723 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: up front are able to play more fast, more free, 724 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: and he sees it in the skies in the disguise 725 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: and scheme that they're the new disguise and scheme that 726 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: they're playing right now. So kind of taking both what 727 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: Heckmug just said and what Rob said of allowing these 728 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: schemes and fitting players, but also you're starting to see 729 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: the change from the previous staff into the new staff. 730 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: Rob out of the practices that you've watched, who's benefited 731 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: the most, who has been that player that you've said 732 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: from the last game into this new one, who has 733 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: actually played better because well he fits better. Well, I 734 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: don't know if it's all about fit, but I mean 735 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: I mentioned Jalen Smith earlier. I think Anthony Brown has 736 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: had a tremendous start to camp in terms of his coverage, 737 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,479 Speaker 1: being active around the ball. And I know you guys 738 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: have talked about the competition that we're seeing and we're 739 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: going to see different guys get opportunities. Traymon Dix has 740 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: made plays out there. I think guys are are comfortable 741 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: with being aggressive and knowing that they're getting pressure up front. 742 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: I will say this, you know, there's there's an issue 743 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: that the offense is having right now with Loud Collins 744 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: not practice and yet with Campa Irving not practicing yet. 745 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: And those aren't aren't serious injuries or issues there, but 746 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: their tackle depth is not what it should be right now, 747 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: and you're seeing Tank Lawrence get to the quarterback a lot, 748 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: and it's it's affecting the offense a little bit earlier, 749 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: I think, but you are seeing dbs make a lot 750 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,919 Speaker 1: of plays on the ball. It's exciting. Well in heck, 751 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: whenever you hear about these defensive backs, that's been a well. 752 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: Kyle was we lost Kyle again and he was asking 753 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: the question about Anthony Brown and his production. And for 754 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, I feel as though this training camp is 755 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: going to be pivotal. The coaching staff knows the type 756 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: of production that he's had and rob Anthony Brown out 757 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: of Purdue. His production his first year as a rookie 758 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: was phenomenal. I believe he had forty forty breakups or no, no, 759 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: forty tackles and eighteen and eight. I'm in bellishing the numbers, 760 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: even does in the numbers, But what I'm saying is 761 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: he had the production his first year which gave everyone 762 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: in cowboy Land, you know, the impression that he is 763 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: going to be, you know, a ball hawk, a guy 764 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: that's gonna be around. Uh. He took him, you know 765 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: after I believe it was Brandon Carr left in his 766 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: second year. But then we we drafted a Woozier, we 767 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: drafted Lewis and he had an opportunity to earn a 768 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: starting spot. Nolan Carroll I believe took that over, but 769 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 1: then he ended up playing ten games and then a Woozier. 770 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: I believe he was benched for a Woozier and week thirteen. 771 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: He's a guy that's had his opportunities. He's up and down. 772 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: He even competed in twenty eighteen. Uh with the guy 773 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: that's in I'll just refer to him and as the 774 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: guy that's in Miami right now now. But he had 775 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: plenty of he had plenty of opportunities to make an 776 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: impact and be a starter. I just believe that a 777 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: fresh set of eyes, as you know, a fresh opinion 778 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: about Anthony Brown is going to give him what he 779 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: needs to take that next step, because, look, he can 780 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: play on the outside and he can also play a 781 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: slot receiver. So his value, just like defensive linemen, are 782 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: there because he's a multidimensional player for us. You nailed it. 783 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: I mean, he's I was just gonna say that he 784 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: can play anywhere for you, like like George Lewis, and 785 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: they've been competing for that slot role the last couple 786 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: of years. When Brown's been healthy, he's been productive most 787 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: of the time. He's had some some penalties early in 788 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: his career, but I think he did a better job 789 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: with that as as he's gotten older in his career. 790 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: But I mean the competition, Isaiah, it's it's really good. 791 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you've talked about Daryl Worley as 792 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: a guy. I mean that guy has more experience than 793 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: anybody at the cornerback position. And Mike McCarthy has also 794 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: spoken very highly of what Traymond Digs has been able 795 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: to do as a natural athlete coming in. I'm still 796 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: very curious to see how it's all going to work out. 797 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: And I actually have a question for you. I don't know, 798 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: can you really can you establish a rotation of corners 799 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: within a season, within a game or would you? I mean, 800 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: is it more of a chemistry type issue like it 801 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: is with the offensive line, where you really need your 802 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: top three guys and go from there because they have 803 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: some tough decisions to make them feel like Yeah. I 804 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 1: think as a defensive coordinator, when you have so many 805 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: options at this position, right at this cornerback position, I 806 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: think that you really have the freedom of putting putting 807 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 1: guys in a rotating guys through but you don't want 808 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,439 Speaker 1: to do that. At the cornerback position. You want guys 809 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: to be able to get in and get the flow 810 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: of the game right. You want guys to get used 811 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: to the releases of the receivers. You want them to 812 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: have the timing. You want them to be in sync 813 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: with their safeties and positioning and angles and all kinds 814 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: of things. Right. So you really that's not a position 815 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: that you want to swap guys out all the time. 816 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: You really want your staple of guys on the outside 817 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: and your third third guy on the inside. Um. But 818 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: as we're talking about Brown and some of these other guys, 819 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: when you're a veteran in this league, Um, first of all, 820 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: if you're a player in this league, right, if you're 821 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: if you're blessed to be in the NFL, you're you're 822 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: a competitor, period, point blank. Right. You had to work 823 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: your butt off to get to this point. Once you've 824 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: become a veteran, right, and you get a little bit 825 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: of status, and you've established yourself in an organization and 826 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: you have some respect, and then they draft, they draft 827 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: a couple of guys and they bring in a veteran. Oh, 828 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 1: your your your position is getting challenged, right, They're calling 829 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: you out in a sense, right, so that competitor has 830 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: to come out within you. And and I'm really looking 831 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: forward to see how some of these guys respond to 832 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: new acquisitions because we know the three guys that they 833 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: brought on, they're not going anywhere. Those guys are on 834 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: the roster. That's just called how it is. Those three 835 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: guys are on the roster. Right when we talk about 836 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: um um, well I can't. I just blanked out right now. 837 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: But we talked about yeah, yeah, but we were talking 838 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: about we talk about digs and some of those guys 839 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: that we just brought on, those guys are gonna be there, 840 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: so we talk about and all these other guys that 841 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: are gott to becoming Jordan Lewis. The guys got to compete. 842 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,720 Speaker 1: So we're gonna see what they're made up. We're gonna see, 843 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: I think, the best version that they have to present 844 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: because they have to. They don't have a preseason. They 845 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: have to come out there. 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But at the same time, it's still 911 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,319 Speaker 1: fun being with you guys, and honestly, I'm laughing more 912 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: than I'm mad. So that's good. Yeah, that's a good one. 913 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: That's a good one. Before I lose the connection again, though, 914 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: let's go into these offensive tackles, because we've had a 915 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: lot of the positive story lines on the defensive side. Yes, 916 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: we really want to get into corners, linebackers, but really 917 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: it's been the pass rush that that's taken the storylines 918 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: even before Gerald McCoy's injury, because of what Alden Smith 919 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: has done, because of what DeMarcus Lawrence has been able 920 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,879 Speaker 1: to do, and then also you throw Tristan Hill having 921 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: a great start to camp as well. But Rob, is 922 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: this an issue moving into really the tackles. I know 923 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: Lyle Collins is out at the moment, Tyrn Smith has 924 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 1: seemingly been on a back and forth battle with Alden Smith, 925 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: But are you worried at all about those offensive tackles 926 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: moving forward? No, I don't think so long term. I 927 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 1: think cam Irving and Lyle will be back at practice. 928 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be long but for right now, 929 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, it's just you know, it happens 930 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,760 Speaker 1: in preseason games with you when you've got younger players 931 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: and maybe you're trying to evaluate a quarterback in game situations. 932 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 1: It's harder when when the protection maybe isn't what it 933 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,919 Speaker 1: needs to be. And I think that's been an issue 934 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: in terms of just having young guys playing that right 935 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: tackle spot and cycling through without the depth there you've got, 936 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: you've had tiring left tackle. Brandon Knight was able to 937 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: work back in today and play a little bit. He 938 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: started off working with the trainers. He's a guy that's 939 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: played in the league already a little bit, so that'll help. 940 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: And the reports that they've worked out a couple of 941 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: tackles for depth. We'll see what happens. But I'm not 942 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: worried about a long term just I think the rhythm 943 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: of your offense you're trying to get that early in 944 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: practice and it may be affected a little bit right 945 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: now because you're seeing a lot of pressure from the 946 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: defensive front. We've talked about it. It's a lot of good, 947 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: a lot of past on this defense trying to get 948 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: after the football here. You know, how big are the 949 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,280 Speaker 1: eyes of the rookies. The right tackle steal from Texas 950 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: Tech where he sees de Marcus Lawrence in front of him, 951 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean that is that's a large undertaking for a rookie. 952 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: And so I believe as Cowboy fans, for years we've 953 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,719 Speaker 1: been despoiled with all of our embarrassment of riches at 954 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: the offensive line. I mean for Pro bowlers every year 955 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,719 Speaker 1: seems like and so now when we you know, a 956 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,080 Speaker 1: guy like Leo Collinson, I don't know what's going on. 957 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 1: You know, everything has been mum from camp, but at 958 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: the same time, it doesn't sound like it's serious. I 959 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: think I believe it's a conditioning uh deal. And Lyell 960 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: is going to be back in the fold, and that's 961 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 1: gonna change everything because we still have our guys. For me, 962 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: Connor Williams is who I want to like, circle him 963 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,439 Speaker 1: underline and highlight his name because he is the one 964 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: dude on that offensive line that has the most to prove. 965 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: I know, Looney's done it. You know, you've seen what 966 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: his production, but Connor Williams. He has got to anchor himself. 967 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 1: He's been in the league now for a number of years, 968 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: he's gotten stronger. We know, high draft pick for a 969 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 1: guy like him coming out of Texas, but this camp 970 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,439 Speaker 1: is very important for him because look, guys, in two 971 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: and a half weeks we fly to LA and it's 972 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: a guy in LA that is a serious monster, and 973 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,319 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to deal with that guy. And so 974 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: I want to see things take shape for Connor Williams 975 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,319 Speaker 1: right now. Heck, you gotta tell the fans who that 976 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 1: master is in Los Angeles. You gotta say the name. 977 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: I know, it's it's it's I'm sorry, I'm sorry. His 978 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 1: name is Aaron Donald. Yeah, everybody you don't know, now 979 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: you know? Now you know? Yes, he's good. Yeah. Yeah. 980 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: And in reference to the old line, man, I feel 981 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: like we're in a good position. But to your point, Rob, 982 00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,839 Speaker 1: we gotta get these guys on the field. And there's 983 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: no there's not enough time. There's not practice games. You know, 984 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: to four practice games underneath your belt, even though the 985 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,000 Speaker 1: starters are probably only playing maybe three quarters of that, 986 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,840 Speaker 1: um you know, four games typically, But you know, these 987 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: guys need to get on the field. They need to 988 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,239 Speaker 1: get and sync. There's too much communication that has to 989 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: take place between all these guys being connected on the 990 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,360 Speaker 1: symmetry between the center and the guards and the tackles. 991 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,879 Speaker 1: There's and a tight end. Right, we can't forget about 992 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: Jarwin now out there. He has to be able to 993 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: relay information as well. Sometimes he's in a position to 994 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 1: change the entire, the entire, the entire blocking schemes. So 995 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,759 Speaker 1: these guys need to get together. There's too many new 996 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,400 Speaker 1: moving parts. And you think about the fact that we 997 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,839 Speaker 1: have Mike Nolan throwing all kinds of craziness at them. 998 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: Probably with by next week he'll probably start start dialing 999 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: enough the blitz packages. If these guys aren't working next 1000 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,360 Speaker 1: to each other to be able to communicate properly and efficiently, 1001 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: it's going to cause problems. And then if we have 1002 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,279 Speaker 1: any injuries at all to either of these tackles, right, 1003 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,239 Speaker 1: I think we're okay on the interior, but at either 1004 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: of our tackles, if we lose one of those guys 1005 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: at any point in time, I think we are in trouble. 1006 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: I think we're in trouble because now you're putting a 1007 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 1: younger guy in that position or an unproven guy in 1008 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: that position, and with this defensive line that they're facing 1009 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,520 Speaker 1: every day, at what point do they gain confidence? They 1010 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,920 Speaker 1: don't get They don't gain confidence in practice, right, and 1011 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, their teammates don't trust them, 1012 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: their teammates don't believe in them, and then they go 1013 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 1: out there and then they face you know, somebody who's 1014 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: starting and getting paid a lot of money to make 1015 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,239 Speaker 1: them look bad. So I want to make sure that 1016 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: these guys stay healthy. But to Rob's point, these guys 1017 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,239 Speaker 1: that you get on the field and get in sync well, 1018 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,359 Speaker 1: and Isaiah, I want to turn this back around on you. 1019 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: You mentioned these moving parts, and you mentioned the different 1020 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: looks on the defense, but explain how challenging that is 1021 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,720 Speaker 1: to pick up from an offensive perspective. You're a quarterback, 1022 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,319 Speaker 1: you're a former wide receiver, You've played on both ends 1023 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: of it. It's a challenge. It's not something that is 1024 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 1: just an overnight thing. This is something that Dak Prescott 1025 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 1: and the entire offense have to do is continue to 1026 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,160 Speaker 1: challenge themselves to pick up that defense. Yeah, I mean, 1027 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,720 Speaker 1: especially when you have a wild card and defensive coordinator 1028 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,200 Speaker 1: like Nolan, who's throwing craziness at you? Right? I mean 1029 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: I can, I can. I can remember back when I 1030 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: was playing with the Patriots and I was, you know, 1031 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 1: backing up when I was backing up Tom Brady. And 1032 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: we're getting in preparation for the Jets at the time, right, Um, 1033 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,920 Speaker 1: and there's a crazy defensive coordinator that happened that happened 1034 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: to be for with the with the Jets back back 1035 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,759 Speaker 1: in the day, and um, and he would he would 1036 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 1: dial up and in the name of Rex Ryan, let 1037 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 1: me go ahead and say that Rex Ryan. He would 1038 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: dial up the craziest place, right, Rex Ryan would put 1039 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 1: one defensive lineman, five linebackers, five dbs, and he would 1040 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: have guys walking around. And as a quarterback, you have 1041 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: to be able to identify, Hey, if we're gonna be wrong, 1042 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna be wrong together. Right. But the person you're 1043 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,600 Speaker 1: talking to is you're talking to that center. Right, So 1044 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: as we talk about that center battle, right, whether it's 1045 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 1: gonna be looney or or it's gonna be the rookie 1046 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: right that we just drafted, right, it doesn't matter. Beyond 1047 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: and beyond is I don't want to mess up his name, 1048 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 1: but uh, if it whether, you know, you want somebody 1049 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 1: who's gonna be there. So most of the most likely 1050 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 1: it's gonna be looney because you need that guy who's 1051 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 1: confident and you need somebody who can handle that dog 1052 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 1: that you guys just referred to Aaron Donald in week one. 1053 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,840 Speaker 1: So there's so much symmetry, there's so much communication that 1054 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,080 Speaker 1: takes place. You know, we're talking. Not only is Dak 1055 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,839 Speaker 1: talking and calling out the middle linebacker and telling everybody, Hey, 1056 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: that's who that center. Now listen to the center. Now 1057 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,319 Speaker 1: the center has to communicate that all the way out 1058 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: to the tight end. Right. If you don't have your 1059 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,080 Speaker 1: guys and they're practicing, how do you work in that communication? 1060 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: You don't. Yeah, it's tough, and you're going to see 1061 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of a defensive side of the football. 1062 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,400 Speaker 1: Have that advantage early in camp. You see absolutely year 1063 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,319 Speaker 1: because of especially with a new system, it's so tough 1064 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: to pick up. But heck, when we were kind of 1065 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 1: mentioning this offense and really going into the season with 1066 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 1: the new edition of Ceedee Lamb with all these weapons 1067 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,400 Speaker 1: that Dak Prescott and company have to work with on 1068 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 1: the offensive side, is really the entire success of the offense, 1069 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 1: or are we getting our ahead of ourselves in the 1070 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,839 Speaker 1: fact that it's really the offensive line that needs to 1071 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: answer their questions before we really have a big year 1072 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: on that side of the football. Well, I mean, the 1073 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,520 Speaker 1: thing that we have to draw into account, put into 1074 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,400 Speaker 1: account and is the fact that these guys haven't had 1075 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,640 Speaker 1: any OTA's quarterback camps, any of that. So the timing 1076 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: of the offense is completely thrown off. And so it 1077 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,919 Speaker 1: may be we try and make this an indictment against them, 1078 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,600 Speaker 1: but truly, defenses are going to be a little bit 1079 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,200 Speaker 1: ahead of the curve because they just read and react right. 1080 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: But for offenses, it's a timing thing. And I gotta 1081 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,520 Speaker 1: say this about something that Champ said about the offensive line, 1082 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: and man, we're just fall because of all the great 1083 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,280 Speaker 1: guys that we've had, and you look around the league 1084 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,319 Speaker 1: at offensive linemen and there are not a lot of 1085 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 1: teams that have as great offensive line as the one 1086 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,919 Speaker 1: that we have. I think Indianapolis is the only team 1087 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,279 Speaker 1: that I can think of with Nelson. But look, we 1088 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 1: have to really concentrate on the fact that we have 1089 00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,439 Speaker 1: a very dynamic running back in Zeke and don't matter 1090 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 1: what the timing is looking like what the easiest thing 1091 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,279 Speaker 1: to do is turnaround and hand numb between one the 1092 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,319 Speaker 1: ball inside zone, outside zone. Let him do his think 1093 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 1: because everything is going to be predicated on that. And 1094 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,040 Speaker 1: if you think about Mike McCarthy and what he's doing 1095 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,320 Speaker 1: right now, and even Kellen Moore with the offense from 1096 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 1: last year, he's able to communicate a lot of that 1097 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 1: to the new guys and the guys that we've had 1098 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,839 Speaker 1: from previous years. But we understand that Zeke is going 1099 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 1: to be a big part of that. I know Ceedee 1100 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,839 Speaker 1: Lamb is attractive to talk about and the offense and explosion, 1101 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 1: but guys, the truth is Ezekiel Elliott is going to 1102 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 1: be the guy that makes all of this run succinctly. Yeah, 1103 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: And I want to be clear to the offense has 1104 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: had their moments too. I thought yesterday it was a 1105 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: really good day for the offense. We've seen some great 1106 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,760 Speaker 1: connections between Dak and Amari Cooper, Michael Gallup, Ceedee Lamb, 1107 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 1: Blake Jerwin and Zeke two hack to your point, because 1108 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 1: one thing he spoke about yes a via conference call 1109 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,360 Speaker 1: was trying to be more of even better as a 1110 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 1: pass catcher and This is a guy that's had I 1111 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: think seventy seven catches in a season, but he wants 1112 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 1: to be even more well rounded. And then now you 1113 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,400 Speaker 1: add in, you know Tony Pollard as a guy that 1114 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 1: can be a compliment in the same manner, a guy 1115 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 1: that can that can beat you a bunch of different ways, 1116 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,200 Speaker 1: and it just kind of adds to that whole versatility 1117 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 1: thing we're talking about now on the offensive side of 1118 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 1: the ball. But yeah, I think the offensive line is 1119 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 1: gonna be fine. That just the right side is just 1120 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,680 Speaker 1: not where it normally would be. Right now, you still 1121 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 1: got Zack Martin, you still got Tyrn Smith, Tech mentioned 1122 00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: Connor Williams. He's gonna be fine. Joe Looney has experience, 1123 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,800 Speaker 1: h and you can turn around and hand the ball 1124 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,919 Speaker 1: at twenty one. That's pretty good. Heckman's looking really nice 1125 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,920 Speaker 1: up on that screen right now. I think he's just 1126 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: he's just owning the camera time at the moment. But 1127 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,200 Speaker 1: I'd have to agree because there's so many different Uh, 1128 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,000 Speaker 1: there's there's so many fun things about this offense. When 1129 00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 1: you look at Zeke, when you look at Tony Pollard 1130 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,480 Speaker 1: getting the backfield and involved with both of those guys, 1131 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 1: I know Mike McCarthy briefly mentioned did Zeke talked about 1132 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,840 Speaker 1: it like you mentioned Rob, But I think whenever you 1133 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,840 Speaker 1: get to the point Rob of looking at this offense, 1134 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,600 Speaker 1: it's really how creative is Kellen Moore going to get 1135 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 1: to be and what are some of the ways that 1136 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 1: he can be creative with this offense and can get 1137 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: all of these weapons involved in order to get the 1138 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,680 Speaker 1: touches that they need. Yeah, and Zeke spoke to him yesterday. 1139 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: He was asked about they used he and Pollard together 1140 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,720 Speaker 1: at times last season, and he just talked about how 1141 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 1: they can really play off of each other in terms 1142 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,520 Speaker 1: of their roles and keeps the defenses honest and it 1143 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: you know Pollard as a guy, they really love his potential. 1144 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 1: The issue, like as as Hegma has said, I'm sorry 1145 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,959 Speaker 1: as Aias said, there's just guys that have a hard 1146 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,480 Speaker 1: time ever really breaking out in the NFL, just simply 1147 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,520 Speaker 1: because there are great players in front of him. So 1148 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm still curious to see what his snapcount's going to 1149 00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,480 Speaker 1: be because we saw him blow up in certain games 1150 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 1: and then he might get five or six snaps on offense, 1151 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,280 Speaker 1: and I'm just curious to see how consistent it's gonna be, 1152 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,840 Speaker 1: but there is no doubt about his talent. Isaiah. Yeah, 1153 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,720 Speaker 1: I mean we've already touched on it to boy can 1154 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,120 Speaker 1: play unfortunate as a due by the name of Freaky 1155 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 1: Ezekie in front of him, and they don't have to 1156 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: find a way to get both of those guys in 1157 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,280 Speaker 1: the game while getting all three receivers in the game 1158 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,200 Speaker 1: while also trying to get both tight ends in the game. 1159 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,480 Speaker 1: I am not Kellen Moore. I don't want to be. 1160 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,560 Speaker 1: He has a good problem on his hand, but he's 1161 00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 1: got to earn his check for this year. For sure. 1162 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,840 Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting because there's so many different ways 1163 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,880 Speaker 1: that you can ultimately move with this offense, and there's 1164 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,120 Speaker 1: so many different weapons to use. How you use them 1165 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,600 Speaker 1: that's the biggest question moving forward. We can't wait to 1166 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,440 Speaker 1: answer those for you here on Talking Cowboys. Throughout the 1167 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: course of Cowboys training camp, keep up to date with 1168 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 1: all four of us. Whenever we're reporting here about the Cowboys. 1169 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 1: You've got Heckma Harrison on Twitter at Heckma Underscore Harrison. 1170 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,120 Speaker 1: You've got Rob Phillips. 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