WEBVTT - Drones, Prison Drops + Marshmallow Fluff 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:04.600 Really now, really. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:12.240 Really now, really welcome, Welcome, Welcome. I am Jason Alexander. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:12.920 Here you are. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:14.880 You're very good at that. I'm Peter Tilden, and you're 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:16.640 very good at that. And this is this is. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.480 Really no really our little podcast when we delve into 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.640 things that make us think or ask really, no, really, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.639 that's a thing, that's a fact, that's true. And today, Peter, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:27.280 I'm gonna I'm gonna tee it up for you. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.479 Ready, what are we gonna do? What a you're gonna 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.400 do again? Your hear it be? There was that dominic 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.520 the day. Wow, it's droning drones. Drones, I was droning. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:37.240 Did you get funny? 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.199 I called Jason and I go, you know, drones. I 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:40.840 don't think it's ever gonna happen. How is it gonna 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.880 do delivery drones? You're worried about the air traffic of 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.360 the whole time. I don't get how it's even possible. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.400 It doesn't make sense that we can do drones in 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:50.760 the sky. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:51.880 So that's my take. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.640 Your take is My take is listen, it's a feather complete. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.760 First of all, they're already on the ground, they're rolling 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:58.720 down the sidewalk. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:00:59.560 The drones. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.680 And second of all, we now live in a world 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:03.760 where if I need it, you were supposed to give 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.920 it to me a second ago. You have to there's 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:10.000 no patience. Everybody can't get here tomorrow. I order something 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.240 on the phone at two o'clock this afternoon. It comes 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:13.360 eight o'clock tomorrow morning. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.720 No good. Now it has to be there in an hour, 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:16.800 in a minute, in a second. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:18.640 I hate it kills me to agree with you, but 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:23.040 you realize we used to have restaurants. Then we had takeout, right, yeah, 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:24.320 then we had fast food. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:24.640 Right. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.440 Then we had drive food because that wasn't good enough. 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.080 And now I'm the four h five. I'm going eighty 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.240 drop that in my car. I want it now, I'm 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.560 on a toilet paper lowered it into my bathroom. I mean, 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:35.600 but how are you going to do that? So you 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.600 know what we do. You're in the show we get 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.639 experts on a Dell and we're looking at doctor Roger Connor. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:41.280 How are you, sir? 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:42.479 I'm great. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:43.720 Thanks, let me go through. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.880 I usually don't take the time to go through a bio, 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.360 but yours is so extensive. Doctor Connor curates the Museum 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.320 of the Air and Space Music, a Space Museum's vertical 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.200 flight collection. Jasion, what the vertical flight collection? He curates 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.960 the vertical flight collection. Correct, that's it, just the vertical. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:02.720 It has to go up and down, that's it. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.960 Otherwise you're so you don't do Loudand if he rolls 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:07.920 five feet down the runway before he goes up, not 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:08.840 his area, you can't do that. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.400 Can't do it. You do how it sidles for a moment? 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.679 No good? Only straight up, straight down? All right? Very 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.600 limited collection? All right, go ahead, all right. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.000 Let's see here to he's a specialist when it comes 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.239 to remotely pilot and an autonomous. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.880 Aircraft SYS, ground effects vehicles. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.560 Sure, he's a specialist when it comes to air traffic control. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.520 Oh good, airports airport a specialist. Good. 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.480 Maybe before they listen, it's going to be a left turn. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.440 But if you can explain to me what the hell 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.960 they're doing at Los Angeles Airport, that would be because 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.320 I don't You don't get it. They've been building it 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.880 for seven years and all I know is I can't 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.000 get where I need to go, and I can't drive 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.880 a car in there. I can't get picked up, I 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.160 can't get a bag onto a thing there are people 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:50.520 there going? 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:57.080 And why ma'am, why is it at lax? I have 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:58.880 to kind of slow down enough and say to more 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.160 get out. I'm not stop. I'm just like I'm going to. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.720 Slow That's right, My god, all right. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.800 He's also an experience commercial pilot with over four thousand 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:08.240 hours a flight. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.040 Four thousand hours? Is that a flight time? Is that? 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:11.359 I had a lot? 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.880 I thought it was ten thousand, everything thousand. You put 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.320 in ten thousand hours. You know what you're doing. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.519 You didn't you didn't commit to the ten fourteen. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.120 It takes fourteen hours to fly from here to Australia 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.600 and back is twenty eight hours, and he does that 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.760 ten times that now, all of a suddenly expert. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.119 In his doctoral dissentation, Yeah, I think close to yours 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.919 rooftops and rice rice patties, utopias and helicopters in the 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:32.160 creation of national security. 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.880 Yes, I didn't include rice patties, but so it's similar. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.280 He Sai's very similar to what you do. So how 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:38.600 are you? 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:40.760 I am great? Thank you so much. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.000 Sounds like you're busy, you're a you're a you're an 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:44.560 expert on many many things. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.680 Yeah, I have to be a time traveler in this job. 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:49.960 So I'm in World War one in the morning and 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.200 dealing with what's happening in twenty fifty with sustainable aviation 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.040 in the afternoon. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.880 Wow, this is a god This so drone delivery drones. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:04.120 You've got chimneys, You've got why electrical wires, you got birds, 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.320 you got all kinds of stuff going on, and you're 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.560 gonna tell They're going to try and convince me that 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.000 I'm going to get my pizza in twenty five minutes 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:11.880 or less than it's free. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.800 Dodging all that already is the thing dominoes thirty minutes more, 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:17.320 it's free. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.520 So they got to do better than that. They got 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:26.320 to eight. So how how is it possible? 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.640 And the back end of that is, I know that 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.719 billionaires are investing in it, so obviously I'm wrong. How 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.719 is that going to be possible? Doctor that delivery drones 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:36.400 are a reality? 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.200 So it is a reality. But the question is who 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.839 is a reality for? And the short answer right now 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:43.800 is criminals. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.720 Sorry, So okay, sounds to be with us. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.120 Wow, buggling is where it's at right now with delivery drones. 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.479 And so the real question is, can uh somebody that moves. 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.799 Coffee by drone be as successful as the criminals. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:06.000 So can't I piggyback my pizza on like a cocaine run. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.840 They can't. They multitask well. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.600 The advantage of the criminal element is they don't have 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.600 to worry about regulations or safety or some of those 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:15.120 other things. 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:15.479 Wow. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.839 Hold on a second, Wow, give us a second. Really, No, really, 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.760 it's the criminal that's that's where it's working. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:21.240 Yea. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.000 And you know, I've been to the border and I 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.880 went with the border agents and they said they're outmanned 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.440 and outspent because the drug guys have unlimited resources. I'm 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.240 assuming same thing with the drunes, unlimited resources to create 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:35.560 these things. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:40.239 Yes, right, And you know it's it's across the northern 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.080 southern borders of the United States. It's into prisons, which 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.800 is a particular problem. And then we see it on 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.200 an international scale. 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:51.080 Wait, wait, wait, there's a drone use in the prison. 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.800 Community of some kind, smuggling into prison. 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:58.520 So the a drone, a drone dropping into the prison 0:05:58.600 --> 0:05:59.719 yard is really what's happening. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:04.640 Right as the drone over, whether they have prison guard watching, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.640 whether there's a guy a sniper or and a turret 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.040 they can't see that they're they're droning right past these guys. 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.640 Well, you know, if you get it up high enough, 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.560 really hard to see with the naked eye, you're probably 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.560 not going to hear it, so pretty hard to detect. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.920 And you drop a cell phone. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:25.960 Or feed up, isn't the cell phone going to take 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.720 out inmate eighty three four seven of it? 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.960 Hitsham might be, but see that's an acceptable loss by 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.040 their their standards. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.760 So how big is the drone criminal business? How big 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:37.000 of a business is that we know? 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:38.280 It's we don't know. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.760 Uh So, the federal government has not been releasing a 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.440 lot of information on this, and it's not clear that 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.320 even they have a particularly good handle on it. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.080 So we really only know anecdotally. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.880 And what we do know is that it was starting 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.520 to increase rapidly before the pandemic, but we don't have 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:01.960 solid figures really in the public after that. We do 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.920 have a lot of anecdotal reports. So there are occasions 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.680 where these things either crash or they're captured or something 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:09.080 like that. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.800 And Roger, are we talking about the kind of drone 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.400 the kind of drones I'm picking up at Target and Walmart? 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.600 I mean, are they literally the ones that are sold. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.320 For Most of these are commercially Yeah, we do see 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:26.679 in some particularly in Europe, Africa, Southeast Asia, we see 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.880 some more military grade drones being used for but mostly 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:36.240 we see either domestically with these prison drops or with 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:41.120 narcos are using are essentially the off the shelf commercial drone, 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.280 some of the kinds that you would see in Hollywood 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.560 for filming, but even some of the ones that you 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.560 can buy on Amazon. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.680 So we know about the positive uses for drones as 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.720 far as inspection of buildings, delivering to remote areas of 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.760 medicines and stuff. I get that, But drones in la 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:02.040 and urban environments as livery systems and everybody's trying to 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.400 cut back on last mile. That's what every business is 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:05.920 trying to do deliverbent is how do we figure out 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.080 the most efficient way. So gig workers are getting too 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.640 expensive for these companies. They also can't find enough, so 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.000 they're trying to replace them with drones. But a drone 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.520 from prepping for this subject to have the right radar 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.680 or leader and be able to navigate its weight. The 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.080 more you put in a drone, the heavier gets. Can 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.120 we do commercial drones that actually deliver a package that's 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.280 fifty pounds now safely. I know they've tried it in 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.560 remote areas. Have they done it in dense areas at all? 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:32.760 Not? 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.600 So the real problem here is the size of the package. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:40.920 So we have companies that are actively demonstrating the ability 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:45.400 to operate in at least a rural or a suburban 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:50.880 environment relatively safely. Now, the real problem is that the 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.679 regulation is so far behind because of all the complexities 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.440 that you're mentioning that it's not entirely clear how much 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.920 of that additional technology you have to add to keep 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.840 the thing safe. You know, it's actually a lot more 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.200 challenging problems than say a self driving car, which really 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.880 the self driving car what it has to do is 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.959 read the road signs and you know, apply the rules 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.680 and it more or less is going to function effectively 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.160 as long as it navigates the traffic. In terms of 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.760 aviation terms, it gets to be a lot more complicated 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.559 because there's there's no set routes, so you know, you're 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.240 constantly running into things like power lines. That was an 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.480 incident that happened fairly recently in Australia where a delivery 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.079 drone landed on a power line and knocked out power 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:37.160 to two thousand homes. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.160 Okay, delivered a blackout. Well, what are you saying that? 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:46.760 So the the aerial drones that we're discussing are not 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.040 operator controlled are they autonomous drones? 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.720 So it's a combination that it's actually the ones that. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.960 Are under trial right now by the e commerce companies 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.520 are essentially supervised. So there are a ton of in 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.920 the sense that there's not a pilot with a joystick 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.720 actively controlling them, at least unless there's an emergency, so 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.040 there's an ability to kind of take over. But really 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.400 what they're looking for is that you would have ten 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:18.400 or more drones being supervised simultaneously by an individual that's 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:23.080 essentially washing at a at a station. Of something's not right, 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.400 then they have the ability to intervene and either give 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:29.640 it a land immediately signal or a recall notice or 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:30.360 something like that. 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.840 What was interesting because you go self driving cars, the 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:35.640 number of self driving cars that are crashing and I 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.400 don't want to give a stack because it changes all 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:41.320 the time in the self driving world is not acceptable 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.960 where they want it to be. And I noticed with 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.240 what would be zero would be really good and. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:47.480 Zero's the bard Again. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.280 Tech tech can't do certain things. And what fascinated me 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.400 was with self driving car and with a drone. So 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.600 it comes upon a train, a train, a long train. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.240 I know what a train is. They think it's a wall. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.640 It looks like a wall. Sure, unless it has velocity detection, 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.600 it thinks it's a wall, and then all of a sudden, 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.720 after five minutes, it's not there. The drone doesn't know 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:10.920 what to do, correct, Isn't that that's something that a 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:15.080 drone can't necessarily figure out, right without more and more 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:16.760 and more tech stuff on it. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:18.920 Yeah, and this gets too. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.200 I think the major problem not just for drones, but 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.280 aviation as a whole as we move through the century, 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.840 and that is automation right there. The biggest problems that 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.040 we've seen in commercial aviation over the last couple of 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:36.880 decades has not been mechanical failure, but the problem of 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:41.400 the human crew members understanding the automation and what's doing. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:45.480 It's that disconnect that's led to the most serious accidents 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:50.000 in recent commercial air travel. And you know, same sort 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.880 of thing here. You know what happens when the algorithm 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.680 is deciding you know where exactly to fly, and it's 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.360 not just a safety issue, it's an environmental justice shoe. 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.640 You know, whose house gets blown over, who owns the 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.120 airspace over that house? At particularly low level, these are 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.000 things that have not been decided yet and are really 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.800 kind of, you know, major hurdles to implementing this, that 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:15.480 kind of thing on a large scale. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.320 Let me take a little bit of a turn and 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.439 ask you a question, because you talked about the air 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.760 rights over there. So I don't I don't think this 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.079 has happened to me, But I do have celebrity friends 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.360 who have been in their backyard and they look up 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.239 and there's a camera drone. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:39.040 Over the over the yard. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:44.920 It is there a height at which they can claim 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.720 that it is trespassing or is there is there any 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.560 rights for the airspace. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:51.719 Above their property to. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:57.200 Prevent the airspace is a really difficult problem at the 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.960 at the federal scale because there's very little case law 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:04.079 on it. Essentially, the FAA has the authority to regulate 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:11.000 navigable airspace, and in general terms, that's traditionally meant basically 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:15.480 not coming within five hundred feet of people or structures. Now, 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.520 what happened when the drones came in the fa said, look, 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:22.600 we do not want this type of technology mixing with 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.360 aircraft with humans on them, and so they have to 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:29.200 be completely segregated out. So we're basically going to limit 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:33.240 drones to operating between the surface and four hundred feet. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.239 The problem is is that's not really in this navigable 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:41.320 airspace environment, and the you know, the rules about who 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.160 actually owns that airspace is not at all clear. And 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.199 so what we've seen is the regulation for what you're 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:52.200 talking about, you know, things like trespass or spying on people, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.080 that's really kind of come down to local ordinances, so 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.479 you know, you really have to complain to local authorities 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.520 and then you know the person flying is going to 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.880 be held to account in terms of the spying aspect 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.640 by the local authorities, whereas the FAA has some kind 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:13.120 of loose regulations things like careless and reckless operation that 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.760 they can apply. But it's a wild west in terms 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.800 of exactly who has who's going to have the greatest 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:25.040 authority over over this this type of deliveries. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.200 And now are you concerned by the way that the 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.520 big companies that are investing and they all are the 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:30.720 Amazon's and the Walmarts eteremter. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.960 They have lobbing that can change. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.840 They push Washington to doolo poles and change the restrictions 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.000 to benefit them, which I get. I mean, they're trying 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:40.880 to move business forward, and this is going to be 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.360 the jobs of the future. The gig economy is going 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.280 to kind of diminish, and this will be the new 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.760 jobs of the future. Do you see that happening soon? 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.600 Do you see delivery drones anytime soon in major cities? 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.760 The pattern of regulation for this type of technology, and 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.600 especially how novel it is and how much we don't 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.480 really understand about the interface between all of this automation 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.440 suggests that the FAA is. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.880 Going to be extremely cautious, which is what they've. 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.640 Signaled, which we hope and pray that they're not going 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.120 to have. They're not smeared with money and saying we'll 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:16.160 let just fly over your house. 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:17.960 Is there, Russia? 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:18.280 Is there? 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:23.400 Do you see an upside to the advent of the drones? It? 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:24.880 Does it pollute less? 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:29.640 Is it really a far more efficient means of delivery? 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:30.520 Or is it? 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.240 Because when I look at it, I just look at 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.880 people losing jobs. But is there is there a net 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.280 positive for society at large to have this become a 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.880 more standard delivery system. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.120 There are applications, so the most problem of those is 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.840 zip Line, which is a company that's been operating primarily 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.680 in Africa, and what they do is they deliver often 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:58.880 blood supplies to remote medical facilities by It's essentially a 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:03.440 drone airplane that that parachutes out the package using GPS, 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.960 so they basically launch it with a giant slingshot, has 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:11.160 a kind of a wire recovery system that snatches out 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:15.280 of the air. It's amazing in terms of its operation. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.040 I think they've just recently dropped their five hundred thousand 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.000 package from one of these things, and Walmart's had an 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.240 association with them testing it in the United States. So 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.280 there's a case where the roads are really bad in 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:32.160 certain areas in Africa, particularly you know, in wet seasons 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.600 for instance, and so if you were to try and 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:40.000 take that blood supply around via moped you know or something, 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.840 you might you might not make it through. The ability 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.920 to parachute it in is a huge advantage. So there's 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.440 an application that has a you know, a clear advantage 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:54.200 over other approaches. Military is obviously another case where there's 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.960 huge advantages, and we already see the Air Force and 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:02.240 Marine Corps are moving very aggressively to develop relatively large 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.880 delivery drones, much larger than what the e commerce companies 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:06.840 are experimenting with. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.840 So Connor, I would expect to see those come in. First. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.919 Am I hearing a dog or you're having stomach issues? 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:12.560 Do we need to stop? 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.920 Okay? If I've heard some kind of that's the last 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.760 time you hear before the drone comes in. And you know, well, 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.640 you know what I'm worried about. Distract liability, distracted droning. 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:23.480 You know what I mean? Like you got you've. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.320 Got gamers who are now coordinating these drones, and once 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.200 they give him more than one, they've got like find 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:29.480 that they got to do, and it guys talking on 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.920 his phone playing whatever it is he got distracted droning 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:33.400 going on, and liability. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.399 Did you just coin this phrase distracted drowning? Is that 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.919 a phrase that exists? Or does that? Does that exist? 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:39.760 Distracted running? 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.240 It's an interesting question. I think what we're actually saying 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.280 much automation now. 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:50.480 That it's uh, it's it's really the algorithm that's that's 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.680 the problem, more so than the human operator. 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:53.399 In a lot of these. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:57.520 Cases, you're worried, so your fears are over. Nothing to 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.920 worry about it automation. There's no distracting drone. There's no 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:01.560 kid with a game. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.560 Automation always works, it's always good, always, you know, always, 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:05.920 Automation cannot reply. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:07.640 We'll have this conversation that. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.119 He is an example of how it doesn't work. Because 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.080 this was a story I read in researching for this. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:17.119 So there was an Amazon primere apparently is a you know, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.000 Amazon's putting quite a bit of money into developing this technology, 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:26.920 so they've flown ten of these, you know, test deliveries. Well, 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.520 first of all, according to this, the FAA says the 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.840 drone cannot fly over a road. Can't fly over a 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:36.800 road unless there's a spotter. So you're already not saving 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.760 money on human now because you got spotters every time 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:40.520 it crosses road. 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:40.720 Right. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.960 But in the ten that they've flown, five of them 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.359 have crashed in a four month period, and one of 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.440 them the crash started a fire that burned twenty five acres. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.399 I'm lucky. Run just that is that all? 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:52.680 Bad? 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.720 Run? Yeah? Bad run? Oh? 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.120 But Amazon Amazons have been trying to get this off 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:58.560 the ground for a while and they've had issues, right, 0:18:58.600 --> 0:18:59.840 but that doesn't mean they're going to bag it. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.160 Yeah, And the issue with the spotter on the road 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:09.359 was caused because they're that particular aircraft was operating above 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.840 the threshold of fifty five pounds, which is kind of 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.159 where the FAA has capped with a consider you know, 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.800 essentially a safe drone for this kind of initial phase 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.600 of operations. So once you go above fifty five pounds, 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:26.080