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Speaker 1: Mmm, Hello friends, I am Robert Evans, and this is

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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything

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Speaker 1: you don't know about the very worst people in all

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Speaker 1: of history. Now, my guest today is a personal friend

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Speaker 1: of mine, former roommate, UH, current and former colleague, David

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Speaker 1: Christopher Bell. Hello, Robert. David is a writer, a podcaster,

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Speaker 1: one of the two heads of the Gamefully Unemployed Network,

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Speaker 1: which you can find on Patrion Dave. Anything else you

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Speaker 1: want to introduce about yourself? No, you got it right.

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Speaker 1: I also have been writing for bunny Ers dot Com,

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Speaker 1: which is mcaulay culkins uh lifestyle website. David is McCauley

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Speaker 1: Culkin's personal biographer. Yeah. Now, I am his spiritual guru

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Speaker 1: though fantastic. He's also been taking care of my cat

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Speaker 1: for months, which I feel like readers should know. Great cat,

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Speaker 1: really solid cat. UH. Now, today, David, we are going

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Speaker 1: to talk about a gentleman and a scholar UH named

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Speaker 1: momark At Daffi. Great name. What do you know about

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Speaker 1: momarkt Daffi, great name. That's pretty much I was thinking

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Speaker 1: on this. Momar is like a great name, solid name right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Kaddafi is a solid last name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Um,

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Speaker 1: he did stuff in Libya and it didn't well for him.

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Speaker 1: It did not Yeah, that's about it. I know his

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Speaker 1: country once uh asked a scientist to make him a

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Speaker 1: machine instead. Um, really really screwed over the Libyans there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were very angry. Yeah, Doc Brown. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 1: a that's the extent of my knowledge. Well, yeah, Momar

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Speaker 1: was the leader of Libya for forty years. Uh. He

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Speaker 1: was executed in the street in two thousand eleven by

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Speaker 1: a partisan mob. And that's uh, that's that's what I

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Speaker 1: would I would guess most people listening right now know

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Speaker 1: about Momarkadaffi. Um. The more detailed story, which a bit

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Speaker 1: we're about to get into, is the tale of probably

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Speaker 1: the craziest person to ever run a country, and not

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Speaker 1: not like Hitler crazy, where you have like this very

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Speaker 1: cohesive idea about the world and history and you're trying

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Speaker 1: to like make this like like crazy. Isn't he Probably

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Speaker 1: I don't even know, Like I don't I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how to. I'm just gonna read you twenty one

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Speaker 1: pages about the guy. Uh. So you know, we live

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Speaker 1: in a time with political extremes right now in the

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Speaker 1: United States. That fact is obvious enough that even saying

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Speaker 1: it is like yielding to cliche. And in times like these,

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Speaker 1: extreme men with extreme plans and very little relevant experience

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Speaker 1: That basic story has played out a lot of times

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Speaker 1: throughout history, but never quite like it did during the

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Speaker 1: reign of Momarkadafi. He was a dictator and, like Saddam Hussein,

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Speaker 1: a writer as well. But while Saddam used his novels

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Speaker 1: to imagine a fantasy world far away from a rax

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Speaker 1: troubled reality, Kaddafi actually based the Libyan state entirely on

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Speaker 1: his favored fantasies. Now. Momar Mohammed Abu Minya Kaddafi was

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Speaker 1: born in nineteen forty one or perhaps nineteen forty three,

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Speaker 1: a running theme. Having listened to this show. They like

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Speaker 1: to they like to make their own history. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: never really know anything about these they're all they're all

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Speaker 1: a little like Kudini, like they really they like the

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Speaker 1: kind of a good way to look at Momar Kaddafi

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Speaker 1: when I say he's crazy, he's like Heath Ledgers joke. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, like Hitler had a plan. Yeah, Momar was

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Speaker 1: He had three older sisters, but otherwise the fictional figure

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Speaker 1: Star Wars basic to Simon Pagan, Yeah, costume exactly exactly. Yes,

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Speaker 1: young sounds kind of awesome. No, do your education, but

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Speaker 1: they'd carried out a brutal anti insurgency operation against Libyan

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Speaker 1: Bastards dot com. I always encourage people to check up

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Speaker 1: on us and read further. Um. So the date has

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Speaker 1: been set, the coup has been planned for September one,

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine. UH. Kadafi distributed plans for the revolution

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Speaker 1: to all of the members in his revolutionary group. UH.

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Speaker 1: He handed them out in envelope sealed with at wax.

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Speaker 1: How how big is this group at this point? I

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Speaker 1: think it's dozens and dozens of people. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: sizeable group. They're all over the country, not like hundreds

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Speaker 1: though I don't think hundreds, but it's there's no I

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Speaker 1: never found like an exact number of how many people

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Speaker 1: were involved. So the coup had been postponed and delayed

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Speaker 1: so many times that a lot of key members of

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Speaker 1: the conspiracy did not believe it. When they got their letters,

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Speaker 1: they thought it was a trap. So Kaddafi spent the

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Speaker 1: last moments before starting the coup driving all around Libya

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Speaker 1: convincing his men that yes, we're still planning to overthrow

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Speaker 1: the king. So the whole thing was a comedy of

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Speaker 1: errors mixed with a ship show, right, But he really

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Speaker 1: wanted it to work. He really wanted to take aside

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Speaker 1: from that hate crime. Like this is like an underdog

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Speaker 1: story almost. It really is of like these group group

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Speaker 1: of chuckle fox trying to have a revolution and this

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Speaker 1: one guy who's like, really he just wants to overthrow

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Speaker 1: the king and they're not good at it, but everyone

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Speaker 1: else is so bad at everything that it works out,

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Speaker 1: Which was again, this all has to start with aside

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Speaker 1: from the hate cross side from I can't really just

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Speaker 1: like throw away the hate crime. No, no, there will

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Speaker 1: be more hate crimes as the story lengthens. So revolution

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Speaker 1: day comes on the day one of his men there

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Speaker 1: were radio stations they were supposed to take over in

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Speaker 1: Tripoli and Benghazi. The guy who was supposed to take

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Speaker 1: over the Tripoli radio station um and occupy it, couldn't

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Speaker 1: find it, so several other revolutionaries helped him find it,

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Speaker 1: and once they got there, they were shot at mistakenly

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Speaker 1: by the soldiers who thought they were Israeli's invading the country.

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Speaker 1: A tank commanded by one of the conspirators caught on

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Speaker 1: fire while it was filled with explosives and AMMO. The

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Speaker 1: driver barely managed to disconnect a wire in time to

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Speaker 1: stop it from exploding. Well, all this went down, Kadafi

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Speaker 1: was tearing us through the desert and a jeep to

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Speaker 1: take over the Benghazi radio station. They came to a

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Speaker 1: fork in the road, and here's a quote from the

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Speaker 1: book Libya on what happened next. Kadafi took the left

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Speaker 1: turn as planned, expecting the train of vehicles to follow him. However,

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Speaker 1: in the excitement of the moment, the other drivers went

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Speaker 1: hurtling down the right fork. He later recounted, I had

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Speaker 1: stopped my jeep to await the rest of the column

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Speaker 1: when I suddenly saw all the other vehicles tearing like

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Speaker 1: demons towards the main road. Then it dawned on me

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Speaker 1: that the entire guard units barracks were streaming along in

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Speaker 1: one direction, and that the drivers, in their enthusiasm, were

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Speaker 1: following one another without worrying much where they were supposed

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Speaker 1: to be going. So this entire revolution could have been

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Speaker 1: scored to Yaka exactly and then it litt it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's probably all I can say before we get pulled

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Speaker 1: for your infringement. Yeah, but it worked. The revolution worked

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Speaker 1: despite not really knowing what they were doing. It just

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Speaker 1: happened that the king was out of the country when

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Speaker 1: this went down. None of the officers were prepared to

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Speaker 1: defend a coup, and the Libyan military was not really

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Speaker 1: a functional service at this point, so Kadafi and his

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Speaker 1: young friends wound up overthrowing the government with very little

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Speaker 1: bloodshed or fighting. Uh So let that. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot to say about

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Speaker 1: like leadership that start where it's just so dumb and

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Speaker 1: like it can't possibly get better from here, when like

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Speaker 1: there was like all every condition had to be perfect

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Speaker 1: for them to do this, and it was basically everybody

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Speaker 1: else's fault. It sounds like it was everybody else's fault.

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Speaker 1: A minimally competent government and military would have stopped this

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Speaker 1: in seconds. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Nobody was good at their job.

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Speaker 1: This is like like the apocalypse now of revolutions, where

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Speaker 1: everything goes wrong and yet it somehow works out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And yeah, I think it's a good lesson.

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Speaker 1: Other than the hate crime, there's a great lesson in

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Speaker 1: this for kids, which is that you can sometimes succeed

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Speaker 1: in rebelling against the state if you just show up. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which okay uh. At six thirty am on September one,

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Speaker 1: nine Libyans with radios woke up to the sound of

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Speaker 1: moll Mark Hutoffi's voice for the very first time, People

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Speaker 1: of Libya, in response to your own you will fulfilling

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Speaker 1: your most heartfelt wishes and answering your incessant demands for

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Speaker 1: change and regeneration, and your longing to strive towards these ends.

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Speaker 1: Listening to your incitement to rebel, your armed forces have

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Speaker 1: undertaken the overthrow of the reactionary and corrupt regime, the

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Speaker 1: stinch of which has sickened and horrified us all. From

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Speaker 1: this day forward, Libya is a free, self governing republic.

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Speaker 1: She will advance on the road to freedom, the path

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Speaker 1: to unity and social justice, guaranteeing equality to all her citizens,

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Speaker 1: and throwing wide in front of them the gates of

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Speaker 1: honest employment, where injustice and exploitation will be banished, where

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Speaker 1: no one will count himself master or servant, where he

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Speaker 1: will be free brothers within a society in which, with

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Speaker 1: God's help, prosperity and equality will be seen to rule us.

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Speaker 1: All one exhausting thing to hear. Yeah, just get up

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Speaker 1: the morning, there's been a revolution. I only had my

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Speaker 1: fucking coffee. This is such a bullshit. Who is this guy?

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Speaker 1: You want? So the forty year reign, if Momar Kadaffi

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Speaker 1: had begun, well, I really expected it to be something

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Speaker 1: more grand than what you've described, just a bunch of

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Speaker 1: dumb kids who got lucky. Uh. If you were a

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Speaker 1: regular Libyan at this time, you might have felt optimistic.

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Speaker 1: The Western powers hadn't exactly done any good for the

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Speaker 1: regular people, and the king had clearly sucked, So maybe

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Speaker 1: you'd figure new he's an outsider, you know. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean I have similar feelings right now. If we got

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Speaker 1: read donned, part of me would be like, okay, let's

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Speaker 1: try this alright, because yeah, like a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: parachuting in like, oh, can't do they have Like how

532
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Speaker 1: much worse could it be? Do they have healthcare? Like?

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Speaker 1: Can I go to the doctor now? Yeah? Um? So

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Speaker 1: you know. The bad news about the new regime was

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Speaker 1: that Kadafi and his crew were a bunch of young

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Speaker 1: men in their twenties and early thirties. They had very

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Speaker 1: little experience of any kind. None of them had better

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Speaker 1: than a high school education. Um. One of mom Marketoff's

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Speaker 1: first sex in power was to promote himself to colonel

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Speaker 1: and declare himself commandant of the Libyan army. Um. This

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Speaker 1: makes him part of my favorite historical tradition, which is

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Speaker 1: the fact that almost no one who's been called colonel

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Speaker 1: in all of history has actually been a colonel. It's

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Speaker 1: just something people call themselves. Can we be colonels? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's all it takes. You're a colonel. Now, colonel,

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Speaker 1: I'm putting it on on a business card. You gotta

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Speaker 1: get a cool hat. That is a requirements. You gotta

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Speaker 1: get a sick ass hat to start calling yourself colonel.

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Speaker 1: But I can do that. Yeah. So yeah, Kaddafi promotes

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Speaker 1: himself to colonel. He's in charge of the Libyan army.

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Speaker 1: Now you know, what would you do, Dave, if when

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Speaker 1: you had been a teenager you and your friends had

553
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Speaker 1: suddenly been in charge of the whole country. I feel

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Speaker 1: like there'd be a point where I'd realize something over

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Speaker 1: my head. Um, well, you're a humble man, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be a humble man if I successfully because

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Speaker 1: I was a terrible person as a teenager. Yeh, teenagers

558
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Speaker 1: are generally terrible. They're all monsters, and like I was

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Speaker 1: all into punk rock and like, yeah, anarchy take it

560
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Speaker 1: all day. So if I was in a position where

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Speaker 1: I took over the government, I probably think I was

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Speaker 1: real hot ship yeah, and be like, yeah, I'm going

563
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Speaker 1: to run things away. I want to and have just

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Speaker 1: the worst ideas. But I would never grow out of it.

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Speaker 1: And I assume that's similar to a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Like this is if you go through your life never

567
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Speaker 1: being told hey, cut the ship. Um, you just stay

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Speaker 1: a teenagerer your whole life. Yeah, if by the time

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Speaker 1: you're barely where a normal person will be out of college,

570
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Speaker 1: you run the country. Uh, you don't grow up? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that's it's a little Joffrey. Yeah, he's yeah, he's

572
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Speaker 1: he's he's a little got some Joffrey going on. Uh. So.

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Speaker 1: One of Kadafi's first acts was to ban all political

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Speaker 1: parties and all political activity outside of the government itself.

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Speaker 1: This was not a big deal because the king had

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Speaker 1: banned that sort of thing too. Uh In nineteen seventy two,

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Speaker 1: he made party politics a crime punishable by death. Um,

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Speaker 1: which doesn't sound as bad of decision right now as

579
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Speaker 1: it as it was. Yeah. So, at first a revolutionary

580
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Speaker 1: counsel took control of the country, with Momar sort of

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Speaker 1: at its head. There was great excitement among the population,

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Speaker 1: but it quickly became clear that the new leaders knew

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Speaker 1: even less than the old ones. Kadafi immediately turned on

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Speaker 1: his friends, attacking them for their incompetence and telling his

585
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Speaker 1: comrades they didn't understand anything. He would insult his colleagues

586
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Speaker 1: in front of their staff and canceled decisions as soon

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Speaker 1: as they were made. This started before the regime was

588
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Speaker 1: even a month old. So this is like if someone

589
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Speaker 1: came along in like this country and said, like all

590
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Speaker 1: the experts and elitists they don't know how to run

591
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Speaker 1: this place. I'm gonna even though I have very little

592
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Speaker 1: experience and then they buy some insane away they became

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Speaker 1: running the country. Yeah, and it became very evident that

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Speaker 1: they don't know how to do that. Yeah, and then

595
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Speaker 1: they attack the people around them who they had previously

596
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Speaker 1: supported in order to deflect blame from the fact that

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Speaker 1: they just don't know how to run. Again. I can't

598
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Speaker 1: imagine such a thing. No, this is the only time

599
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: it's ever happened. Um so uh Kadafi developed your reputation

600
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: for making meetings, like setting up meetings and then making

601
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Speaker 1: everyone else in the council wait for hours before he

602
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: showed up. Often he wouldn't even show up. He would

603
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: regularly schedule meetings for two am because he was a

604
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: night owl. Because he was in his twenties, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is all a thing just a twenty year old

606
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Speaker 1: person would be doing. We don't he might have been

607
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Speaker 1: a little older than that, because we don't know his

608
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Speaker 1: exact but he was very a young guy. But there's

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Speaker 1: a reason, like in this country where like you have

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Speaker 1: to be like thirty five to be president, Like, there's

611
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Speaker 1: a there's a very clear reason and also a reason

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00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: no thirty five year old has ever been elected because

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Speaker 1: you're still probably not. I'm still not ready. I'm nearing

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Speaker 1: that age and it's like, way, no, sir, Yeah, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Just a couple of years ago, we were driving to

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Speaker 1: our apartment and you guys were in the back of

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Speaker 1: a truck and I kept slamming my foot on the

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Speaker 1: break just to make you fly forward. Fun was that

619
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Speaker 1: when we were like, had that weird keg? Yeah? Yeah

620
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Speaker 1: that was fun. Yeah. Yeah. I shouldn't be president, is

621
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Speaker 1: what I'm getting. Or we should both be president. Well,

622
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Speaker 1: now there's a different idea. You could be my Pence. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll be your puns fantastic. Our producer Sophie is shaking

624
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Speaker 1: her head angrily. We're gonna do it, which she does regularly.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna make America. Okay, pretty okay, just okay. I

626
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: feel like those hats and sell too. So. Kadafi became

627
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Speaker 1: famous for going a wall for days at a time

628
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Speaker 1: whenever he got angry. He would threaten to resign if

629
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Speaker 1: anyone argued with him about anything. At one point, he

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Speaker 1: decided that all members of the Revolutionary Council ought to

631
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Speaker 1: wear military uniforms and carry pistols at all times. One

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Speaker 1: of his friends in the council didn't like this rule

633
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Speaker 1: and showed up to a meeting in street close. Kadafi's

634
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: totally reasonable reaction was to hide in the desert for

635
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: a week. During another argument, he threatened to leave and

636
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: fight with the Palestinians in Jordan's hold on Kadafi hid

637
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: in the desert, in the desert, that's taking a non

638
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: dictator thing, like I thought you're gonna he's like had

639
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: him eaten by dogs or something. He got upset and

640
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: just went off. Did his friend have to like go

641
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: find him an apologize. I feel like that's probably what happened.

642
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: Come up to him like a tent in the desert, like,

643
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: hey man, I get a gun. I don't really know why,

644
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: but here it is. What an amazingly passive, aggressive way

645
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: to run a country. It's incredible. Oh my goodness. So

646
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: by nine seventy three things weren't going great with the

647
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: new Libya. Kaddafi was so disenchanted with ruling that he

648
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: decided to resign and funck back off to the desert,

649
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: but for real this time. He told his comrades on

650
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: the Revolutionary Council that he would announce his resignation to

651
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: the people of Libya on April sixteen, but surprise, Kadafi

652
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: had no intention of resigning. Instead, he announced the Popular Revolution,

653
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: an entirely new domestic program that no one else in

654
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: the government had been warned about. They all found out

655
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: about at the same time as the people of Libya.

656
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 1: During the speech. Under this program, Kaddafi urged the repeal

657
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: of all existing laws and their replacement by revolutionary enactments.

658
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: The weeding out of anti revolutionary elements by taking appropriate

659
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: measures against perverts and deviators. The staging of an administrative

660
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: revolution to destroy all forms of bourgeoisie and bureaucracy. The

661
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: arming of the people in order to make a people's militia,

662
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: the staging of a cultural revolution to get rid of

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00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: all important and poisonous ideas contrary to the Koran so

664
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: Kadafi promised at the end of the speech that he

665
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: was going to take the Livian people to paradise in

666
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: chains if he had to. Exhausting. It sounds really tiring,

667
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: like you're working in the desert. It's anything you do

668
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: if you live in the desert is probably exhausting, and

669
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: like you've just gotten over the fact that a new

670
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: government's taken over. And then some guys like I'm gonna

671
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: drag you to paradise and chains and all the laws

672
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: are different today. It's like that really doesn't sound like

673
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: paradise by God damn it. Um. So this would all

674
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: be a pretty full plate for most world leaders, right um.

675
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: But Kadafi wasn't done innovating. He started to work on

676
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: what he called the Third Universal Theory, which was a

677
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: new political theory he believed was destined to sweep not

678
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: just Libya, but the entire world. Here's how one member

679
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: of his inner circle recalled the brainstorming process for creating

680
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: this Universal theory. Quote, Whenever new intellectuals arrived, Kadafi would

681
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: tell me to invite them to visit him. Then as

682
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: we talked, he would take notes. He would ask them

683
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: how to remedy this or that problem. The trouble for

684
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: him was that he couldn't digest their ideas. He didn't

685
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: have a basic scientific approach. When he himself offered an opinion,

686
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: he came out with immature and confused analyzes, such as

687
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: were later to form the basis of his Third Universal Theory.

688
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: So Kadafi described his theory as a middle way between

689
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: communism and capitalism. Destined to replace them both. Capitalism, he said,

690
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: led to sin into generacy. It was far too individualistic

691
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: to be healthy. Communism treated human beings like property of

692
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: the state, and that wasn't good either, so he needed

693
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: to find a middle way. Eventually, Kaddafi codified all of

694
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: his thoughts about how the world ought to be run

695
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: into his magnum opus, The Green Book. In it, he

696
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: argued that democracy he could not flourish in republican systems

697
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: such as society, was destined to ignore the will of

698
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: huge junks of the population. Accurate so far. Instead, the

699
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: states should be abolished entirely, and the people should take

700
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: charge of their own lives and rule themselves directly. So far,

701
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: nothing he said is inherently crazy sounding, but the system

702
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: he set up didn't actually work that way. The lowest

703
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: level of the new government were the People's Congresses. Everyone

704
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: was supposed to take part in them, debating and voting

705
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: on policies. The People's Congressmen's Congresses would funnel their decisions

706
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: up to a General People's Congress, which was kind of

707
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: like a parliament or our congress. Their decisions would be

708
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: passed up to a General People's Committee, which was basically

709
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: a presidential cabinet which was then implement the decisions. But

710
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: here's the catch. The actual center of decision making was

711
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: just Momar Kadafi. None of the People's Congresses were allowed

712
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: to talk to each other about anything. They had to

713
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: go through this like line of things that always ended

714
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: up at Kaddafi, So no decisions could actually be implemented

715
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: without Kadafi's sign off, and he mostly just did whatever

716
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: seemed good to him the time and ignored the congresses.

717
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: So it was basically like, man, we should all just

718
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: govern ourselves and and figure it out, and then I

719
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: make the decision and I decide what we do. Still, yeah,

720
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: the green Book was filled with other fun stuff besides

721
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: blueprints for the government, quotes like this, sport is like praying,

722
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: eating and the feeling of warmth and coolness. It is

723
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: stupid for crowds to enter a restaurant just to look

724
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: at a person or group of persons eating. It is

725
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: stupid for people to let a person or group of

726
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: persons get warmed or enjoy ventilation on their behalf. It

727
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: is equally illogical for the society to allow an individual

728
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: or team to monopolize sports while the people as a

729
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: whole pay the costs of such a monopoly for the

730
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: benefit of one person or a team. So we hated

731
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: sports teams. Yeah, I mean I'm not a big sports sports,

732
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: but people like sports. Yeah, people like sports. We need sports, Yeah,

733
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: people like sports. Nobody likes watching someone else eat. Yeah,

734
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: like but we know people. Well now there's and there's

735
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: those videos avidus So Kadathi was just wrong. Um. The

736
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: Green Book also bans being a landlord. No one has

737
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: the right to build a house additional to his own

738
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: and that of his heirs for the purpose of renting it,

739
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: because the house represents another person's need, and building it

740
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: for the purpose of rent is an attempt to have

741
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: control over the need of that man, which not inherently crazy.

742
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm not totally against. It's really that that coming boiling

743
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: down to and I make the decision and I that's

744
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: where it all gets sucked up. Yeah, it's great to

745
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: say all these things, like we should be reducing the

746
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: amount of power one individual can hold over the another

747
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: up until you demand to be in charge. And maybe,

748
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean people listening might have different opinions about this,

749
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: but like maybe even if like if he tried to

750
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: do it right, it might not work out. Still, it

751
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: might just be you know, him dreaming, but like that, Yeah,

752
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: they're really like he didn't give it a chance here.

753
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: He was always he was always it sounds like a dictator.

754
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: He was always wanting it to be about himself and

755
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: he always had to be the center of it. He

756
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: couldn't stand. He was never going to let any counsel

757
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: make a decision that he didn't agree with. He's Jaden Smith, Like,

758
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: he has a bunch of he nobody told him no

759
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't. Yeah, and he has a bunch of crazy

760
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: ideas how the world should work, but he doesn't have

761
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: like the background to, yeah, to actually understand how to

762
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: implement that. Yeah, it's like that's exactly what's going on here.

763
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: So it's also important to note, if you're one of

764
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: the people for whom the other stuff I've said from

765
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: the Green Book sounds kind of good, that Kaddafi was

766
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: also super misogynistic. Um, I'm gonna read this quote. I'm

767
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: gonna apologize to our producer first because it's it's pretty bad.

768
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: But it's important that we be balanced about who Kadafi was.

769
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 1: According to a gynecologist, women menstrates or suffers feebleness every month,

770
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: while man being a male does not. When a woman

771
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: does not menstrate, she's pregnant. If she is pregnant, she

772
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: becomes due to pregnancy feeble for about a year. Afterwards,

773
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: woman breastfeeds the baby she bore. Breastfeeding means that a

774
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: woman is so inseparable from her baby her activity is

775
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: seriously reduced. She becomes directly responsible for another person, whom

776
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: she helps to carry out his biological functions, without which

777
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: it would die. All these innate characteristics form differences of

778
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: which man and women cannot be equal. That's such a misunderstanding.

779
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: And it's one of those like pregnant, Like this person

780
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: just launched a human out of their body and yeah,

781
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: really freaking painful after carrying it for months and then

782
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: has has to keep it alive. What a what a weakling?

783
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: AND's it's like, no, you idiot, No, I mean, if anything,

784
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: the conclusion to be yeah, I mean we can't be

785
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: equal because men can't make human beings. But oh my god. Anyway,

786
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: so again you got to balance this ship out because

787
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: if you read just the stuff about everyone should be equal,

788
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: Kadafi sounds like not the piece of ship that he

789
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: was right. I mean, here's going back to the only

790
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: thing I know about Kadafi is that he was murdered

791
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: horribly in the streets by his people. I kind of

792
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: assumed he did something to deserve. Oh, and we are

793
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: going to get into all of the some things he did.

794
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: So now the Kaddafi rain is up and running in

795
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: the utter madness is about to start. We have not

796
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: even dug into the craziest of the crazy yet. But

797
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: before we dig into that crazy, we have to dig

798
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: into some ass. So get out your credit card, pull

799
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: out a wad of cash, vier your car off of

800
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: the road, and pull out your laptop and prepare to

801
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: order things. And we're back, mom Marca. Dafi has taken control.

802
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: He has launched his second revolution in a couple of

803
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: years and elucidated his plans for a perfect society in

804
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: the Green Book. Um so yeah, now now here we are,

805
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: mom Marca. Dafi starts releasing his Green Book chapter by

806
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: chapter rather than all at once. I think he was

807
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: releasing it as he wrote it. Um, because he just

808
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: didn't have the ability to delay his gratification by that much.

809
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: And he said, as he dropped the first chapter, with

810
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: the establishment of this unique democratic experiment. All political theories

811
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: in the world have collapsed. So Kadafi changed Libya's name

812
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: to the Socialist People's Libyan arab Jamahiria, which is means

813
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: like the People's Republic, basically uh and the flag was

814
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: changed to the color green. Now, Kadafi had no official

815
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: role in this new people state. He was still in

816
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: charge of the army, of course, but he was not

817
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 1: technically in charge on paper. He demanded to be called

818
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: Leader of the Revolution or brother leader, but he didn't

819
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: actually have a job, so that whenever there was a problem,

820
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: he could be like, I'm not in charge of Libya.

821
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: It's these other guys. It's this council here that fucked up,

822
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: or it's this guy here who fucked up. Don't get

823
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: angry at me. I'm not in charge. So that was

824
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: that was his whole tactic, solid being in charge of

825
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: the country and pretending you're not for forty years. Yeah,

826
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: So Kadafi's like, I don't actually have a job. It's

827
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: me who's in charge, so that you know, he can't

828
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: be blamed for anything. He's in charge. It's a good plan.

829
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: It's like, um, it's like if if you were like president,

830
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: and you were blaming like the rival party or like yeah,

831
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: like a like a special deep state all your problems. Yeah,

832
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: it's not unlike that if that were to ever happen

833
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: somewhere in the globe. Yeah. Um. And for all of

834
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: his rhetoric about like freedom and liberty and stuff like that,

835
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: the people of Libya were brutally repressed whenever they spoke out.

836
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: One month after declaring the people state, some students protested

837
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: in Tripoli. They were hung in front of their classmates,

838
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: and the executions were broadcast on state television. Kadafi established

839
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: a series of revolutionary committeees across the nation, made up

840
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: of loyal young men who got super high off of

841
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: having a little bit of power. The official purpose of

842
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: the committees were it was to protect the revolution and

843
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: remove any obstacles to Colonel Kadafi's vision. This had the

844
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: dual advantage of helping Kadafi solidify his power while freeing

845
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: him from any possible blame, because hey, it's not his fault.

846
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: If these kids hurt the wrong people, which they did,

847
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: they would just like rob people, take their stuff, throw

848
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: them in prison, execute their own personal enemies. You know,

849
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: the kind of things do when you let young people

850
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: uh established paramilitary committees. Yeah yeah, uh so. Kadafi was

851
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: basically a master at outsourcing his methods of oppression and control.

852
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: When a TV news presenter in Tripoli became too popular

853
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: for the colonel's comfort, he ordered the people to take

854
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: over the job of presenting the news. Random Libyans would

855
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: line up every day for a chance to read the

856
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: news live on television. That's amazing. TV got really weird

857
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: under mo market. Oh my god, that sounds like a blast.

858
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. For most of his reign, there was only

859
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: one official channel, the State Television channel, that ran like

860
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: six or eight hours a day. One day it broadcast

861
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: hours worth of just a picture of army boots with

862
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: the caption from a viewer to the broadcasting house. Another

863
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: day it played hours of footage of a dirt road

864
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: shout out the moot window of a moving vehicle. For

865
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: the most part, State TV broadcast speeches by Kaddafi in

866
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: conferences where people talked about the brilliance of his green book.

867
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: This is like public television. Yeah yeah, well, they'll be

868
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: like six hours of old people dancing. Yeah, it's like that.

869
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: But he's the only one deciding who's going to be

870
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: on it so as it always does. Repression in Libya

871
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: bread descent. Uh. Not all of those dissenters were arrested

872
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: before they could flee Libya. Some of them made it

873
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: out of the country. Kaddafi made use of an international

874
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: network of assassins to murder political enemies who managed to

875
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: make it to the safety of a country like Britain.

876
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: This did not always work out well for him. In

877
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, there were a bunch of angry Libyan

878
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: dissidents protesting in front of the Libyan government office in London.

879
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: People inside of the office started shooting into the crowd,

880
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: but they missed and hit and killed a British policewoman

881
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: named Yvonne Fletcher. Britain suspended their diplomatic relations with Libya

882
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: as a result of the shootings. Kadafi was known to

883
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: demand that his assassins bring back all or part of

884
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: his murdered enemies. He would often keep the corpses of

885
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: his murdered foes and refrigerators. A member of his inner

886
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: circle said that he did this to see them once

887
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: in a while to speak with them when they were dead.

888
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: He kept some corpses stored this way for more than

889
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: twenty years, things have taken a turn with Momar. Yeah,

890
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, there's there's been a hate crime. There's

891
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: been a hate crime, um and he was described as cruel.

892
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: But this, this is now Hannibal elector territory. Yeah, we

893
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: have it ramps up, you know. Yeah, yeah, And this

894
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: is like a thing you see with with dictators. Like

895
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: when we talk about these guys being pure evil, most

896
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: of them really weren't until they would have some dark moments.

897
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: But they're dark moments that might make them like a criminal.

898
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: They always feel like they have something to prove, yeah,

899
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: and power. Yeah, but like in the sense that they

900
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: would kill someone and then then at their corpse for

901
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: forty years. Yeah, like they couldn't. They can never walk

902
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: away from a disagreement, or that's what it sounds like.

903
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: They like this guy. If this guy's never in charge

904
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: of Libya, he's the dude where somebody insults him and

905
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: it burrows into his heart for years and he starts

906
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: a fistfight over it, or maybe even murders somebody in

907
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: a crime of passion. Because he's the dictator. It morphs

908
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: into keeping corpses in a fridge from twenty something. He

909
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: has a support system. Yeah, he has a way more resources. Yeah,

910
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: the terrible dick. Yeah, it's it's just what happens when

911
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: you have power mixed with whatever the hell is going

912
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: on inside Momar's head, when you mix power, when you

913
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: mix unlimited power with the weird damage that we all

914
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: have inside of us. Everybody has their version of keeping

915
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: their political enemies in a fridge, right yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

916
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: maybe it's just banning a stony. I have a fridge

917
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: in my heart that I keep people in. Yeah. Yeah,

918
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't like squash and yeah, we have people in

919
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: our lives to tell us to cut the ship, which

920
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: is something he does not have. Yeah. It's like anything

921
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: that you feel strongly about. If you were a dicta,

922
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: later you could turn into something terrible. Yeah, and that's

923
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: what Kaddafi did. Ah. He also had a secret rape

924
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: chamber in his compound. Yeah yeah, um he would. Yeah,

925
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: that is where he would violate women that his henchmen

926
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: abducted for him. I say women, but that's not accurate.

927
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: He would visit schools and pick out girls and indicate

928
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: which one he wanted by patting her on the head.

929
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: His men would pick the girl up after school and

930
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: bring her to him. One teacher recalled during a BBC documentary,

931
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: the girl they wanted, they would simply take her and

932
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: treat her like a rag doll in their hands. They

933
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: had no conscience, no morals, not an ounce of mercy,

934
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: even though the girl might be fifteen or sixteen years

935
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: of age, a mere child. If the child was a virgin,

936
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: Kadafi's staff would show her porn movies until she understood

937
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: what he wanted. He was apparently turned on by violence.

938
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: It's hard to know how much of all of this

939
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: to believe exactly, because these particular interviews came from a

940
00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: BBC documentary UM called mad Dog Kadafi's Secret World UM.

941
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: And obviously the BBC is one of the NATO nations

942
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: that helped to post Kadafi, so it's one of those

943
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: things where and they're interviewing actual Libyans, but those Libyans

944
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: are people with a grudge against the administration. They definitely

945
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: like they found the rape room. There's like pictures of

946
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: it and stuff. So it's hard to say how much

947
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: of everything is true, but it seems like most horrified. Yeah,

948
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: if this is true, it's it's awful. Yeah, exactly, and

949
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I land on this. Um. Yeah,

950
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: so Nori al miss Mari, Kadafi's former chief of protocol,

951
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: also claimed that he molested young boys in addition to

952
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: young girls. Quote, he had his own boys. They used

953
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: to be called the Services Group. All of them were

954
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: boys and bodyguards, a harem for his pleasure. Some of

955
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: the women he used were tossed out on the street basically,

956
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: but others claim they were sent to mental institutions so

957
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: no one would believe them. So, yeah, it's dark now. Yeah.

958
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: The colonel's rule was idiosyncratic, by which I mean he

959
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: turned on a dime and demanded insane things from his followers.

960
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: At one point, he ordered all of the Camel's and

961
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: Tripoli shot dead. The only explanation given was brother leader

962
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: has decided that camels have no place in a modern society. Yeah.

963
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that one. Yeah, they don't have

964
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: any place in modern society. I don't like camels. They're terrible.

965
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: They're fucking assholes. Um, that doesn't justify the other horrible things. No, Yeah, again,

966
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: there's there's things belief that aligned with my beliefs in

967
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: terms of ocean and Camels. Yeah. Um, but I at

968
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: this point, I think it's safe to say that I

969
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: would not like Momar Kadafi. Yeah, I would not get

970
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: along with him. It's just that even a rape clock

971
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: is right twice a day, exactly. Yeah. Um. So it's

972
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: possible that Momar Kaddafi had anwar Sadat, the president of Egypt, murdered.

973
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: Some of his former insiders alleged this, and Kaddafi did

974
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: claim after the relationship soured that Sadat had been quote

975
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: an agent of Hitler since which there's a lot to

976
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: unpack in those few words, because he's very specific that

977
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: Sadat became an agent of the Nazis after nineteen which, yeah,

978
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: you get. There's there's a lot that needs to be

979
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: expanded on in that sentence. Yeah. Um. I wish there

980
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: was more. I wish Kaddafi had spoke at length about

981
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: how he thought World War two ended, but I have

982
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: not found that. Yeah, I bet that's a really special Yeah.

983
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: It does seem like he thinks Hitler survived into the

984
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: late forties at least, so that's fun. Um. For the

985
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: first half of Kaddafi's reign, basically all private enterprise was

986
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: banned by the government. Kadafi and his people decided what

987
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: could be imported. They ran state supermarkets to distribute these

988
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: goods to their citizens. In nineteen eight six, a journalist

989
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: found that the main floor of one such supermarket had

990
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: only g which is butter, with the milk fat removed

991
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: and powdered milk. In eight seven, another foreigner reported that

992
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: the markets in two cities held nothing but Dutch milk powder,

993
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: Italian suits, and Chinese Teah. Yeah, you can really live

994
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: on that stuff? You can have? Would you do with

995
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: Dutch milk powder? Italians? Okay? Hold on? You boiled down

996
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: the Italian suits to get into their components again, the

997
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: Italian chef kicking, kissing fingers. Um, you boil that down

998
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: to it's nice and stuff. You add the tea. I

999
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: want to say it with the tea. Yeah, that feels right.

1000
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: I think you strain it from the tea. Yeah. Um,

1001
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: and then mix it with what's the last one, milk powder.

1002
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: Dutch milk powder. Okay, so you don't straight it all

1003
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: the way, but you add the milk powder and it

1004
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: thickens like mac and cheese. That's basically macaroni. Yeah, and

1005
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: you cut it up. Yeah. Yeah, I assume Italian suits

1006
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: are made out of pasta. Yeah, yeah, fantastic. Uh. Some

1007
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: of this was, you know that some of the absence

1008
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: of goods in the supermarkets was a result of sanctions,

1009
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: which we will get too later, but a decent amount

1010
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: of it was just Kaddafi fucking with people. He's quoted

1011
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: as having said, sometimes we make items disappear to force

1012
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: people to work harder and produce them, which is a

1013
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: dick move move. Uh. It's all so true that the

1014
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: entire Libyan government was hilariously corrupt. Public supermarkets were regularly

1015
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: burned down by their managers so that the managers could

1016
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: steal all the goods inside before lighting them on fire

1017
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: and then sell the goods on the black market. So yeah,

1018
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: that's I mean, they're they're creating a situation where I

1019
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: feel like, what are you gonna do? Yeah, if you're

1020
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: managing that supermarket and you're like, oh god, like this

1021
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: is just milk powder, Yeah, just burning this place to

1022
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah, I have trouble, Like anyone who's worked

1023
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: in a place like a grocery store has wanted to

1024
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: just burn it down. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very burnable structure. Yeah,

1025
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: it's hard to blame anyone for doing that. Um. So

1026
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: it's important to note that the Libyan state Underdo was

1027
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: not a total ship show, and in some ways was

1028
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: more functional than the king's government that had come before it.

1029
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: Kadafie did establish a successful social safety net when none

1030
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: had existed before. Everyone in Libya was guaranteed a home, healthcare, education,

1031
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: and a car, all provided by the state and paid

1032
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: for by the billion dollars a day in oil revenue

1033
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: that poured through Kaddafi's hands. Okay, so yeah, he had

1034
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: this ideology and some of it throughout this we've said like, well,

1035
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: he's not completely ye wrong, It's like the ideology didn't

1036
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: necessarily not work. He's a broken person. He's a broken

1037
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: person because like the idea of okay, the state's kind

1038
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: of provide a bunch of ship for people, and we

1039
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: have more oil than almost anyone in the world. Yeah,

1040
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: that can work. Other countries have done that for close

1041
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: to a century now. Yeah, Um, you can absolutely run

1042
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: a state that way, but not with a guy like

1043
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: Khadafi in charge. Not for long, well actually for forty years.

1044
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's a pretty good run. Romaniac. Yeah,

1045
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: for a fucking nut. Um, uh. Speaking of schools, which

1046
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 1: were paid for by the oil money, in the nineteen eighties,

1047
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: Kadafi replaced school uniforms with military uniforms and mandated that

1048
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: all students take military science courses. Military officers took over

1049
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: for school administrators and for many teachers. They were authorized

1050
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: to carry out military punishments, including forcing students to stand

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00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: out in the desert sun for hours at a time,

1052
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 1: which is pretty sick. Yeah, this seems like a real

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00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: This is like he's just asking to be overthrown at

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00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, the moment you start like a whole

1055
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: generation of people that you just torture and teach them

1056
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: how military side. So you're you're you're you're begging for

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00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: them to overthrow. Yeah. In retrospect, you can see the

1058
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: short sightedness. Yeah. Uh, that's like it's like having having

1059
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: like a dog that you that you like only let

1060
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: out side and like our dick too, but also attached

1061
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: like lasers too. It's exactly like that. It's like teaching

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00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: your dog to understand the concept of slavery and then

1063
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: giving it right. Yeah, just generally, Yeah, just telling an

1064
00:55:54,760 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: animal what the score is not a great idea. Um. Now,

1065
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: of course, David uh no self respecting tyrant would be

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00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: complete without his elite bodyguard unit. Saddam had the Republican Guard,

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00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: Hitler had the s S. Mussolini had someone the Macaroni Troopers.

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00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: Probably we are really beating rough on Italy. We are well.

1069
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: We wrote the stylus that we have Italian blood. Yeah,

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00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: and so that like released the flood games. So it's fine,

1071
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's a fine. And Momar Kadafi of course

1072
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: had the horis Ajas. In Europe, they were known as

1073
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: the Amazons, an all female unit of elite, highly trained

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00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: bodyguards who protected Momarkadafi for more than twenty years. We

1075
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: got some pictures in these they're going to be up

1076
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: on the site, but just take a gander there. Oh,

1077
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: that's that's wonderful. They're all young, they're all like evntionally

1078
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: attractive bond villain type of thing. It's exactly called the Amazon's,

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00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and they're He is in the second

1080
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: picture in his fucking ridiculous colonel's uniform next to that lady.

1081
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: It's he. He is a bond villain. He's the most

1082
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: bond villain that a dictator has ever. He's like well,

1083
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: I would say he's more like an Austin Powers villa.

1084
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: He's a spoof of a Bond villain. He wears the

1085
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: Doctor Evil outfit from the first There's a picture that

1086
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: will come to later where he's dressed like Dr Evil

1087
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, look, and this is like right after

1088
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: Austin Powers had come out, So it almost makes you think, like,

1089
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: did you just watch the movie and dressed like Dr Evil?

1090
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: Market might he might watch and he was like, Oh,

1091
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: that's a pretty that's a pretty smart. You guys gotta

1092
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: go it on. Uh So. Kadafi got a lot of

1093
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: bad press for his all lady bodyguards the reality, you know,

1094
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of the press was like how cool

1095
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: it was that he had how badass These women were

1096
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: fucking awesome. But the pictures are awesome, Yeah, they are awesome.

1097
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: The reality was less awesome. Most of the women were

1098
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: Most of the women in his bodyguard unit were press

1099
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: ganged into the job with very little choice as to

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00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: whether to join. Girls were often sent to act as

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00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: entertainment for Kaddafi family parties, and the whole thing sounds

1102
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: kind of gross, gross and very exploitative. That said some

1103
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: of his former guards when interview did report loving the

1104
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: work and loving Kaddafi Um. There's also evidence that they

1105
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: acted as sort of a secret state police within his

1106
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: inner circle. I've also read reports that suggest the job

1107
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: was terrifying for most of the Amazon's One former bodyguard,

1108
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: now in hiding, was quoted by the BBC is saying,

1109
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: one night we were going to witness the execution of

1110
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: seventeen students. That they did not hang them, they shot them.

1111
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: We were forbidden to scream, we were ordered to cheer.

1112
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 1: M So. So again this is going back to he's

1113
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: just asking for it. You don't if you have personal bodyguards,

1114
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: you get the people who like want the job. You

1115
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: don't force someone to do that job. You don't want

1116
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: someone half asking that job. But if you're only going

1117
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: to have like comb the country for pretty girls and

1118
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: put them in uniforms and teach them how to shoot,

1119
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily going to love you, like because you're

1120
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: just abducting them from their exactly. It feels like the

1121
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: moment things get rough, they're just gonna like quietly back away,

1122
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: yeah and just yeah, find new employment. Like it's bad.

1123
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: He's he's really asking for it. You should also, And

1124
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: I feel like they should go without saying. I don't

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00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: support being a gender discriminatory with your bodyguards. Women can

1126
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: bodyguard very well, I'm sure, but you don't pick your

1127
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: bodyguard entirely by how they look. That's not a good move.

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Speaker 1: You pick your bodyguard by how good they are at

1129
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: guarding your body Yeah. Um yeah. Even even if you're

1130
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: trying to find like the most badass looking people, they

1131
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: could be cowards. Like you don't know. Resume is matter? Um,

1132
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: that's important. Sit down an interview these people. One of

1133
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: the through lines in Kadafi's regime is that there were

1134
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: no resumes. Yeah. I'm not surprised to hear that, because

1135
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: his resume when he became in charge of the country

1136
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: was guy. Um. So we have we've we've talked about

1137
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: some crazy stuff and we have a lot more crazy

1138
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: stuff to get to. So much that this is going

1139
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: to be another two parter because I wound up writing

1140
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: like nine thousand words on Momar Kadafi. Uh So, Dave,

1141
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: We're going to break for right now and come back

1142
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: on Thursday to tell the good people the rest of

1143
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: the legendary story of Momar Kadafi. Um. When we get back,

1144
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about what Kadafi did with all

1145
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: of his oil money, his career, sponsoring insane amounts of terrorism,

1146
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: and the speech he delivered to the UN which I'm

1147
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: going to go ahead and say is the greatest speech

1148
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: that anyone has ever delivered, maybe to anything. Oh man,

1149
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna be fun. All right, before we roll out,

1150
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: do you have any plug doubles to plug? Yeah, I

1151
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: mean find me at Twitter at movie Hooligan. Um. As

1152
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned at the beginning of this, I am um

1153
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: one of two people running a podcast and streaming network

1154
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: called game Fully Unemployed. We have a Patreon right now.

1155
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: It's patreon dot com slash Gamefully Unemployed g A M

1156
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: E f U l O Y unemployed. So yeah, check

1157
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: us out. We got tons of podcasts and we streamline

1158
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: twitch and we're starting to roll out like videos and

1159
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah. They do really wonderful stuff, really

1160
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: fun podcast Robert. Yeah, I'm on. I'm regularly on your

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01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: dn D podcast, so you can catch me there as well.

1162
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: Gamefully Unemployed you can find me at I right okay

1163
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: on Twitter, you can find this podcast at Bastard's Pod

1164
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: on Twitter. You can also find us on the internet

1165
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: at www dot behind the Bastards dot com, but we

1166
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: will have all of the sources for this episode and

1167
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: all of the pictures that Dave and I have discussed today.

1168
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna be back on Thursday with more craziness

1169
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: from the life of Momarkadafi, the craziest guy to ever

1170
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: wind up in charge of the country. Um, But until then, uh,

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Speaker 1: please enjoy your lives, stay happy, and check back in

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. M HM.