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Speaker 1: the Giants podcast Network. Welcome to the Giants Huddle as

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Speaker 1: we celebrate the nineteen nineties Super Bowl champion Giants. It's

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Speaker 1: dot com Slash podcasts. I'm Paul to Tino. Former Cowboys

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Speaker 1: All Pro corner Everson Walls signed with Big Blue as

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Speaker 1: a free agent before the nine season. The savvy veteran

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Speaker 1: led the Giants with six interceptions that year, but he's

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Speaker 1: especially proud of how much defensive coordinator Bill Belichick relied

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Speaker 1: on him during the nineteen victory over the Bills and

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Because it's been talked about so much in

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Speaker 1: regards to my contribution to that Super Bowl. Was Bella

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Speaker 1: checks uh confidence in me to make the plays, to

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Speaker 1: call the defensive plays in that Super Bowl, something I

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Speaker 1: had never ever done in my life. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know that everyone was always thinking about, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: ever since been there before, everybody remembers that play where

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Speaker 1: the big old white dude just getting the ball over,

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Speaker 1: you know. And so I always thought that that house

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Speaker 1: a lot of UH presents looked at my career, and

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Speaker 1: I think I'm right about that. So that did not

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Speaker 1: bother bella Check at all. He was not saved by that.

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Speaker 1: He was really impressed on my play throughout the entire year,

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Speaker 1: and he even was impressed by my my leadership. No

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Speaker 1: They always looked at me as that guy on the corner,

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Speaker 1: why the super Bowl was so important to me, because

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Speaker 1: bella Check had confidence in me in one of the

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Speaker 1: most important games and at that time in the Giants

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Speaker 1: organizations UH timeline. And when you think about the players

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Speaker 1: who are on that defense ever since, that is no

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Speaker 1: small request. I mean there are some big time, big

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Speaker 1: time names on that unit. Yeah, he could have picked

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Speaker 1: anyone to make those calls. He could have picked called Bank,

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Speaker 1: he could have picked Jerry. Reasons those guys are accustomed

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Speaker 1: him to just say, you know what, we're gonna pick

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Speaker 1: the new guys. The new guy is gonna handle this.

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Speaker 1: Everybody just relaxed. He and I we have this in

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Speaker 1: the bad Don't worry about this buffalo offense that's coming in.

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Speaker 1: This juggernaut, that hubble that never huddles, and and every

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Speaker 1: the Bills that combined for something like ninety points, and

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Speaker 1: obviously the Belichick plan as I understand it, we all

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Speaker 1: know the legend. Okay, Thurman Thomas can get his hundred,

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Speaker 1: but we're going to attack that passing game. And and

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Speaker 1: You know, I was like a kid in the candy store.

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Speaker 1: so he's always an amazing shape. And so he comes

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Speaker 1: as soon as they snapped the ball, we had nothing

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Speaker 1: that started back in Super Bowl. So here we've got

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Speaker 1: a real sense of pride. No, oh, it does, you

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Speaker 1: know me, I love changing things up, you know. Whenever

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Speaker 1: Belichick gave me the opportunity to change the narrative about myself.

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Speaker 1: Uh even before that Super Bowl game. Uh, they showed

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Speaker 1: that how you guys all blended together. Because there were

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