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Speaker 1: in Frisco. Glad you're with us. Kyle Yeoman's with you
Speaker 1: with an whole new crack cast of characters, and a
Speaker 1: fun one at that, And I think this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a great hour for those of you listening because
Speaker 1: we've got Brian brought us, David Hellman, and of course
Speaker 1: the great Jeff Capito. I was gonna say something about
Speaker 1: our Darius Washington there, but I decided not to because
Speaker 1: I feel like we'll probably mention him at some point
Speaker 1: throughout the show. But gentlemen, glad you're with us here
Speaker 1: on this Tuesday. I want to give a quick shout
Speaker 1: out to Chris Beams Baylor Bears. How about that. Chris
Speaker 1: is in the back, of course, punch in the buttons
Speaker 1: as always, and the Bailor Bears are national champions. And
Speaker 1: of course Chris Beam a huge Baylor fan. There you go,
Speaker 1: there he is. And also he won our Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: media bracket too because he picked the Baylor Bears. So
Speaker 1: double cut. Congratulations for Chris Beam. But it's almost draft time.
Speaker 1: We're getting close as the twenty nine is on the way,
Speaker 1: and Brian, I mean this is right around the time
Speaker 1: we talked about it last week with smoke screens. But
Speaker 1: you also start kind of hearing rumors as to who
Speaker 1: guys are liking and who is starting to kind of
Speaker 1: stick out from the pack around the NFL. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're learning which one your friends are just liars? Is
Speaker 1: really what you're learning right now. And yeah, and this
Speaker 1: is you know, it's interesting that the way the teams
Speaker 1: are meeting and how they're getting together, and you know
Speaker 1: that's something that you know, we need to continue to monitor,
Speaker 1: you know. And they're like, I could say, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys out there in gals too that you
Speaker 1: could talk to. They'll say, you know, these are the
Speaker 1: these are the clumps of guys that we have. These
Speaker 1: are the areas that we have where guys are going
Speaker 1: to be on our boards and stuff. You might not
Speaker 1: get the order from everybody, but you'll have an idea
Speaker 1: of where the different tiers are. And you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, it's an exciting time too,
Speaker 1: when you could set your board and you'll have an idea.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see what the medical information all brings.
Speaker 1: But we're going to start doing this for real here
Speaker 1: and about, you know, another three weeks or so, and
Speaker 1: that will be an exciting time for everybody. Dave, have
Speaker 1: you heard anything from throughout the building about maybe somewhere
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys could potentially be leaning. I mean, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I have. The only question for me is what does
Speaker 1: that wind up looking like when it's all said and done.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we're going to get into it,
Speaker 1: but just as soon as you feel like you have
Speaker 1: a grasp on everything, I mean, it shouldn't surprise anybody.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are really setting their sights on
Speaker 1: defensive players. If you didn't know that already, just consider
Speaker 1: all the stops we've seen Dan Quinn making at Pro
Speaker 1: Days over the last two weeks. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, Jess, when you think you've got your
Speaker 1: hands are out Carolina trades for a quarterback and now
Speaker 1: you kind of got to shuffle what you might think
Speaker 1: the order is. And at the very least, at least
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are picking tenth, so there's only so much
Speaker 1: that can happen in front of them. But you know,
Speaker 1: in light of that news, it definitely makes you wonder
Speaker 1: if the defender that you covet is still going to
Speaker 1: be sitting there like we maybe thought last week. Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that a little bit, because I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about how that kind of shakes things
Speaker 1: up when it comes to the draft order. And of
Speaker 1: course Carolina the draft order itself is not switching, but
Speaker 1: it could take a team that was potentially going to
Speaker 1: take a quarterback in the top ten and pluck them
Speaker 1: right out of the quarterback sweepstakes. Jeff, do you agree
Speaker 1: with that? And do you think Sam Darnold is enough
Speaker 1: to maybe eliminate Carolina as one of those quarterbacks seeking
Speaker 1: teams or is this going to be a team that
Speaker 1: still might look for that quarterback of the future. I mean,
Speaker 1: my best guess, and what I think is going to
Speaker 1: happen with Carolina is that they are they're picking up
Speaker 1: the fifth year option, at least reportedly on Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1: So they're locking in for two years of Sam Darnold
Speaker 1: after they locked in for multiple years of Teddy Bridgewater,
Speaker 1: and they're going to pull the rip cord on that.
Speaker 1: So Mike gut is that despite the fact that they
Speaker 1: should be interested in quarterback, that they're not going to
Speaker 1: be interested in quarterback in the top eight picks. So
Speaker 1: I think Carolina is now going to come into play
Speaker 1: for guys like Kyle Pitts, the receivers, Pinney Sewell, Rashawn Slater,
Speaker 1: maybe one of the corners, you name it. And Carolina
Speaker 1: is now a team that you thought was going to
Speaker 1: help drive non quarterbacks down to you, and now they're
Speaker 1: going to take one from in front of you. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think they should because I don't think that
Speaker 1: a guy, regardless of how bad his circumstances were in
Speaker 1: the league, don't think a guy that's been the worst
Speaker 1: starting quarterback in the league for three years should be
Speaker 1: considered the savior of your franchise. But just based on
Speaker 1: picking up that fifth year option, they're gonna be tied
Speaker 1: to him for two years monetarily. I think they're rolling
Speaker 1: with Sam Darnold, So they're they're gonna steal one of
Speaker 1: your players. Yeah, I think that if you go back,
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Brady being the offensive coordinator, he's been
Speaker 1: able to work magic with quarterbacks. He's a young offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: He was on the National Championship staff at LSU with
Speaker 1: you know, with what they were able to do with
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows. So you know, maybe this is what exactly
Speaker 1: what Sam Darnold I've guys, I've got. Carolina is one
Speaker 1: of those teams you know, you've get a new general
Speaker 1: manager there the situation they're in, there's I think there's
Speaker 1: three teams in front of you that are going to
Speaker 1: potentially can move. Atlanta is a team that I think
Speaker 1: can move. I think Carolina now can move, and I
Speaker 1: do think that Denver Broncos could move. And I think
Speaker 1: all those picks will be for sale. But you know
Speaker 1: that that's that's the danger that you know, you're so
Speaker 1: locked into looking at defensive players, and I think you
Speaker 1: have to keep an open mind if you're the Cowboys
Speaker 1: right now, because the guy that you absolutely cove it
Speaker 1: could be gone at either one of those picks that
Speaker 1: I just talked about. Somebody could go up and make
Speaker 1: an offer to Carolina gets some You know, that's a
Speaker 1: team that needs players. You know, Denver needs players, Atlanta
Speaker 1: needs players. You know, new general managers want to make
Speaker 1: a splash. You know, those the guys you have to
Speaker 1: worry about. And those are the three teams I would
Speaker 1: surely if I was sitting in the Cowboys war room
Speaker 1: right now, those are the teams that I would be
Speaker 1: worried about potentially trading away in one of my picks,
Speaker 1: going away or even I mean, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a stretch to say that that could happen, even if
Speaker 1: they don't trade. I mean the you know, Jeff just
Speaker 1: kind of outlined it, and you did too. The Panthers
Speaker 1: could probably use a little bit of everything. I know that.
Speaker 1: You know they franchise tagged one of their tackles, but
Speaker 1: a guy like that falls in your lap, absolutely worth it.
Speaker 1: Cornerback is one of their big tree pre draft needs.
Speaker 1: Will have kind of been ignoring it because of the
Speaker 1: quarterback need. But if they're not going to do that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, eight is definitely a
Speaker 1: spot where I think you could take the best cornerback
Speaker 1: in this class, and then you know, we don't have
Speaker 1: to do Kyle Pitts, but I think Carolina would probably
Speaker 1: love to have Kyle Pitts. I think Atlanta would probably
Speaker 1: love to have Kyle Pits. So it's definitely you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like we do this every year. No matter
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys pick, you're always paranoid that you're going
Speaker 1: to be wiped out. But for some reason, this trade
Speaker 1: makes me think it's at least feasible because it is
Speaker 1: one less team that's looking at a quarterback, and that's
Speaker 1: what you want. I mean, if I could wave a
Speaker 1: magic wand I would wish for five quarterbacks to go
Speaker 1: off the board in the top ten because that's definitely
Speaker 1: helping the Cowboys, and it doesn't seem as likely today
Speaker 1: as it did before the trade yesterday. Now, we were
Speaker 1: originally going to do this in the last segment, but
Speaker 1: I kind of want to flip flop things on the
Speaker 1: rundown for you guys. But you mentioned nightmare scenario there, Dave,
Speaker 1: and I kind of want to Brian sent a text
Speaker 1: message in our group and it's one through nine the
Speaker 1: picks in order this would be the nightmare scenario. Then
Speaker 1: where would you go at ten if you were the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. I'm gonna read these off in order. The
Speaker 1: first three are really kind of what we've expected, at
Speaker 1: least the first two. Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson of course,
Speaker 1: Clemson BYU quarterbacks. Matt Jones is the third pick. Then
Speaker 1: we're gonna put in slate in. Justin Fields is the
Speaker 1: fourth pick to Atlanta. Fifth is Pina Soul, offensive tackle
Speaker 1: out of Oregon. Rashawn Slater goes six to Miami out
Speaker 1: of Northwestern. Patrick Curtan goes to the Lions at seven,
Speaker 1: which is a bit of a surprise, but the draft
Speaker 1: is full of them. Then you've got Trey Lance, or
Speaker 1: excuse me, Trey Lance was not drafted at eight. Instead
Speaker 1: it was Kyle Pitts, tight end Florida drafted at a
Speaker 1: JC Horn drafted nine. So Lawrence, Wilson, Jones, Pitts, Seuls, Slater, Curtan,
Speaker 1: Pits or excuse me, Pitts whatever throwing fields up there
Speaker 1: as well. Lance is still on the board. And then
Speaker 1: you've got Horn there as well. I know I butchered
Speaker 1: that because I'm reading it straight off of this page.
Speaker 1: But out of those players that's still available, where would
Speaker 1: you go, Brian, if you're the Dallas Cowboys at that point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that you're kind of in a tough situation
Speaker 1: there because then you're two likely two best corners are
Speaker 1: off the board with Certan and then Horn as well.
Speaker 1: You know me personally, I feel like that they would
Speaker 1: probably go you know, all those wide receivers are available.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if it would go that route again,
Speaker 1: you know, And and it would be very very inviting
Speaker 1: if you said, okay, we'll take the best player. You know,
Speaker 1: Chase might have the highest grade on your board at
Speaker 1: that point in time, and you know, when you got
Speaker 1: Wattle and Smith and others, you know, I wonder, I
Speaker 1: wonder if they would take a linebacker there. This is
Speaker 1: this is the scenario. I think you have to think
Speaker 1: that you would worry about them saying, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take Parsons here and we're just gonna move on and
Speaker 1: you know, and we'll address and see what happens in
Speaker 1: the second round. But I would be really worried if
Speaker 1: you're a Cowboy fan, that they won't take the best
Speaker 1: player in that situation, which last year they did it
Speaker 1: with absolute brilliance. David, I was gonna let Jeff go
Speaker 1: because I can tell how strongly he feels about this.
Speaker 1: Look at look at that fan. Yeah, it's gross, it's gross.
Speaker 1: It's gross. Uh And yeah, I mean if you're talking about, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you think the team would do in that
Speaker 1: nightmare scenario? I think the first thing you're doing is
Speaker 1: you're saying, who wants trade lace and you're trying to
Speaker 1: get out of there, because yeah, you're trying. You're trying
Speaker 1: to like captain trade down ride here. If you've got
Speaker 1: one of those quarterbacks available, that would be the goal. Um.
Speaker 1: But if you've got to sit there and pick a player,
Speaker 1: then I want to pick the best player available. The
Speaker 1: Cowboy should pick Jamar Chase in that scenario, and then
Speaker 1: you figure it out what would they do. I think
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons comes into play, and then I think you'd
Speaker 1: have to look at the edge rushers. I think you'd
Speaker 1: have to talk about Jalen Phillips, A ziz Asularry Quitty pay.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you would be stuck. I think
Speaker 1: if you really had like Trey Lance available in Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase available, that somebody would come up and save you
Speaker 1: so you didn't have to pick somebody right there. But
Speaker 1: like I would rather pick Greg Newsom than Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: I would rather pick I would rather pick Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, Davante Smith than Michael Parsons. I'd rather pick
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Wusu Coromoa. Like there's there's just I don't want
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons at ten. Why. I feel like, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're just trying to guess what they would do,
Speaker 1: I could see it. I could see that being the pick,
Speaker 1: if that was your board. Why don't you want Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons so strongly? That's my my question. I don't want
Speaker 1: him either, but I want to hear your explanation on
Speaker 1: why Michael Parsons would be a pin throw moment if
Speaker 1: he were selected at ten, because I just I think
Speaker 1: at linebacker for this team, especially just a pure real
Speaker 1: life linebacker who at this point in his life, Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons is a better run player and pass rusher than
Speaker 1: he is as a coverage guy. Coverage is so important
Speaker 1: at linebacker in today's NFL. That's why I like Jeremiah
Speaker 1: Wooso Coromoa more than I like Michael Parsons. I like
Speaker 1: the guy that is, and I don't know if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would know how to use this. But I think
Speaker 1: what is incredibly valuable for defenses these days is offenses
Speaker 1: want to play matchup football. They want to find ways
Speaker 1: to expose the personnel that you have on the field
Speaker 1: with a guy that they feel like as a mismatch.
Speaker 1: I want guys that you can't find that with. I
Speaker 1: don't want an off ball linebacker who's inexperienced, slash raw,
Speaker 1: slash uncertain in coverage in the top ten an NFL draft.
Speaker 1: I would rather have a guy who has safety linebacker
Speaker 1: versatility that I know can cover your tight end, maybe
Speaker 1: even your slot receiver. Your running backs are going to
Speaker 1: be easy to cover. I would just I think that
Speaker 1: part of football has become so important that the more
Speaker 1: interchangeable pieces you have that you can't take advantage of
Speaker 1: me through matchups, that that's what I would rather have,
Speaker 1: and just linebacker in the top ten in general, if
Speaker 1: Parsons was an incredible cover guy, an incredible diagnosur of plays,
Speaker 1: then I go, Okay, all right, he's now, he's Kyle
Speaker 1: pitts Now, he's unique. That's just not Michael Parsons to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Jeff just took all the words right out
Speaker 1: of my mouth. And well, from what I gather, like
Speaker 1: the thing that makes Micah Parsons appealing is that you
Speaker 1: can send him after the quarterback. What I mean, isn't
Speaker 1: that something Jayalen Smith actually does well? Like, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna give Jalen Smith credit for something, it's that he
Speaker 1: could probably fill that role. So it feels kind of
Speaker 1: redundant to me. And you know, I don't trust either
Speaker 1: one of them to be great cover players, which is
Speaker 1: what this team needs. So yeah, I mean, I absolutely
Speaker 1: like Jay Okay more in that instance, and it would
Speaker 1: absolutely be a reach. But if you told me I
Speaker 1: couldn't trade out of that pick, and like it's I mean,
Speaker 1: I get, I get Jeff's logic, like draft Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: draft Jalen Wattle, and I mean, what does figure it
Speaker 1: out look like? I get? I mean, do you trade
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup for pennies on the dollar, because I don't
Speaker 1: think you would get a great price for him if
Speaker 1: you drafted Jamar Chase first, I think you traded player
Speaker 1: for player that would be my figured out. My figured
Speaker 1: out would be Michael Gallop. I'm not trading for a
Speaker 1: draft pick because I agree I think you lose on
Speaker 1: that deal. I think you're just you start looking around
Speaker 1: the league and you say, hey, Will McClay hey, pro
Speaker 1: personnel guys tell me about teams with depth charts at safety, corner,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle that they're in a Michael Gallup spot where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, crap, we get this extra guy. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to pay him. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: playing out his last year here, excuse me, And you
Speaker 1: find a player for player match to try to help
Speaker 1: your defensive side of the ball. Since I just took
Speaker 1: a massive jury pick in the top ten, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you also have to look at a situation too. Their
Speaker 1: linebacking situation is not great. And you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you draft Parsons, I would say you might not
Speaker 1: pick up the fifth year option on on Layton vandersh
Speaker 1: you know, and you need to figure out some things
Speaker 1: there that the linebackers the last couple of years have
Speaker 1: been banged up, haven't played very well normally in I
Speaker 1: guess in a normal situation, we'd all be excited about
Speaker 1: having Parsons. But then again, all the things that you
Speaker 1: guys talked about, some of the limitations he has, I
Speaker 1: mean this guy is a good looking athlete, I mean
Speaker 1: a big, good looking athlete. And that's the problem that
Speaker 1: scouts have is they see that out there running around
Speaker 1: and they're thinking like, Okay, well he can he can
Speaker 1: help us this way, or he can help us that way.
Speaker 1: You know that that's the problem with the Cowboys, that
Speaker 1: their linebacking situation, you know, isn't really good enough. And
Speaker 1: I think that's why you would even consider Parsons as
Speaker 1: be because of the problems that they have there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but don't we all think you could reasonably address that
Speaker 1: issue on day two? Like there's I think could be
Speaker 1: available on day two. Oh no, I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just telling I'm just telling you though, where where
Speaker 1: they're what they're thinking about, They're they're thinking, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: there's also offensive tackles in the second round that you
Speaker 1: could take. There's also quarters you can take in the
Speaker 1: second round. They're also wide receivers. You know, that's why
Speaker 1: you talk about chase and call up. I really wonder
Speaker 1: with all those wide receivers on the board, is somebody
Speaker 1: really going to call you a chase? You know, they're like, hell,
Speaker 1: they're looking at Dallas, Like Dallas ain't taking a wide receiver. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know why, I'm gonna call them? Nah?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean to me, the quarterback makes sense.
Speaker 1: That one does make sense for me. But but but
Speaker 1: I don't know, with all those wide receivers on the board,
Speaker 1: I don't know if your phone wire ring because you
Speaker 1: know we've seen this before, or you know, you take
Speaker 1: these receivers really high. You know, the bus factor has
Speaker 1: been pretty good. You just kind of work your way
Speaker 1: down the board. It's all of a sudden what happened
Speaker 1: last year? We had all those receivers shoved up to
Speaker 1: the top of that board. I think the first would
Speaker 1: win at twelve and it was a pretty damn good
Speaker 1: class or receivers too. Would I would like, I would
Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate and I think I agree with you.
Speaker 1: But the best receiver the draft would it's seventeen last year. No,
Speaker 1: I'm well aware. But again, like Brian, you know better
Speaker 1: than anybody, teams fall in love with their guy and
Speaker 1: they make sure you want it. And so like you
Speaker 1: and me can sit here and say, oh you got Smith,
Speaker 1: you got Waddle, you got Chase, But the New England
Speaker 1: Patriots might be sitting there saying we only want Chase.
Speaker 1: He's the only one that we want. And you got
Speaker 1: to keep in mind too, that the two teams that
Speaker 1: pick after the Cowboys would probably love to add a
Speaker 1: skill player, the Giants and Eagles both. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if either of those teams picked a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: So maybe somebody would come up to get their guy,
Speaker 1: knowing that Dallas might be their last chance before they
Speaker 1: went off the board. I don't think it's likely, but
Speaker 1: I don't know it's worth bringing Miami. Did that like
Speaker 1: Miami's showing us that right. Yeah, at least that's my assumption,
Speaker 1: is that Miami was willing to go from three to
Speaker 1: twelve because they were willing to add multiple draft picks,
Speaker 1: multiple ones. But then when they were sitting at twelve,
Speaker 1: I believe that Chris Greer went right. But now I
Speaker 1: can't get my receiver. I have to go back up.
Speaker 1: So they're going back up to get their receiver. I
Speaker 1: think for the right player, and I think for a
Speaker 1: lot of teams, Jamar Chase will be the right player somebody.
Speaker 1: If he starts making it to even ten, then yeah,
Speaker 1: I think teams are gonna start going Holy cow. We
Speaker 1: thought this guy's gonna be gone at five or six?
Speaker 1: Can we now go get this player? And you know
Speaker 1: you can't plan that. You can absolutely trade down, but
Speaker 1: by god, it's always fun. Well, think list of what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Jeff, and and you're talking about you're talking
Speaker 1: about you. What's the order of your receiver? You don't
Speaker 1: even have chases the first your first receiver, right, I
Speaker 1: got Chase and Waddle very very very close and then DeVante.
Speaker 1: See that's what I'm saying. But the Dolphins don't. The
Speaker 1: Dolphins are going to get some if they want to
Speaker 1: get somebody. What if the Dolphins take Pits, that might
Speaker 1: be who they get. They went to get somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they went to get somebody. Yeah that's but but but
Speaker 1: it's not a receiver. It's very tight ends wild. Well no,
Speaker 1: but it's even it's even more wild that people are
Speaker 1: willing to go up for a tight end versus a
Speaker 1: wide receiver when you talk about how much money those
Speaker 1: premier positions make and how few tight ends in the
Speaker 1: NFL make a ton of money. Col Pits gonna be
Speaker 1: a top five or so paid tight end from the
Speaker 1: moment he steps on the field, he better stood. He
Speaker 1: might be the best He might be the best receiver
Speaker 1: in the draft when you look at it overall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why people are gonna go get him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody would. Somebody would go after Jamar Chase. It's easy,
Speaker 1: all right, It's it's easy for you to say that,
Speaker 1: and you will always be captain trade down. I get it.
Speaker 1: But going back to the hypothetical, if you are in
Speaker 1: this scenario and you can't get out, you cannot trade
Speaker 1: just out of curiosity, would you rather take a chance
Speaker 1: on one of those edge rushers at ten or just
Speaker 1: grab Christian Barmore and get the best defensive tackle in
Speaker 1: the class? Like which one of those is more appealing
Speaker 1: to you, one of the one of the edge rushers.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't do either of those. I would take
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. That are, well, you're don't do your jeff
Speaker 1: thing like you. My insistence is upon taking I'm in
Speaker 1: the top ten. I'm not picking my seventeenth best player
Speaker 1: or my twentieth okay, best player because of the position
Speaker 1: they play. Level with me, Level with me. Do you
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys would actually do that? Because I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. You never you never answer the question.
Speaker 1: I know, okay, So if I'm guessing for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: then I think that their list would be something along
Speaker 1: the lines of Mica par Persons, who do you guess
Speaker 1: would be their favorite? Edge? Would Phillips injury scare them
Speaker 1: maybe for sure? And Parsons and look, but the Cowboys
Speaker 1: they need to know, they need to know that that
Speaker 1: would be a giant mistake. Stop reaching down your board.
Speaker 1: You're in the top ten, pick the well sixth best
Speaker 1: player on your board. The hope is that what they
Speaker 1: showed you last year that they would do the same thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little different. Picking at ten is
Speaker 1: over to seventeen. I do. I know it's seven spots,
Speaker 1: but you know, when you see a player slide, that's
Speaker 1: you know you have in the top six or five whatever,
Speaker 1: You know that that that's I wonder if there's going
Speaker 1: to be a player that slides to them all the
Speaker 1: way at ten? You know, I wonder if it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Chase. I wonder if that's going to be the case.
Speaker 1: But me personally, I want to believe they're going to
Speaker 1: do the right thing again. But why do I feel
Speaker 1: like that they're gonna take you know they're gonna take Parsons.
Speaker 1: I'll why in that scenario. I believe they're gonna take Parsons.
Speaker 1: In that scenario, I believe they are. I will tell
Speaker 1: you why. And they deserve all the credit in the
Speaker 1: world for pulling the trigger on Lamb. But the thing
Speaker 1: that gets lost is that wide receiver was a need.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a slot receiver. They were faced with
Speaker 1: the prospect of starting Cedric Wilson in the slot if
Speaker 1: they didn't draft a receiver last year, and that made
Speaker 1: it way easier. I would have to see them draft
Speaker 1: a receiver to this team to believe it. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I do not think they think that way. And that's
Speaker 1: why I'm sitting here thinking, Okay, you're probably talking about
Speaker 1: Parsons or yeah, Azizo JULARI. I could get on board
Speaker 1: with that, and honestly, y'all can hate me all you want. Like,
Speaker 1: if they drafted Barmore in that scenario, I would say, whatever,
Speaker 1: you got a good player. You got a good player
Speaker 1: who fits an immediate need. I can't. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Let me me personally, I think Parsons is a better
Speaker 1: player than Barmore. That's just me. Yeah, I would, I would.
Speaker 1: I I don't. I don't see Parsons. I don't have Parsons.
Speaker 1: And I say, I don't have Barmore in the first round.
Speaker 1: I don't. Okay, yeah, oh see, I like him. I
Speaker 1: like him a lot. Wait, I mean I don't love that.
Speaker 1: It's good, I know. I hope you're right. I hope
Speaker 1: you're right. You know, I'll be happy to tip my
Speaker 1: hat to anybody. He's not in the line of what
Speaker 1: we've seen from Alabama defensive tackles in the past, just
Speaker 1: not and I and and and I was trying. I
Speaker 1: mean I sat there and tried and tried and tried,
Speaker 1: and watching games and watching somebody watching Georgia line and
Speaker 1: watching all these guys, and I'm going, Okay, he's gonna
Speaker 1: make a play here sometime, you know. But he's not
Speaker 1: in the mode of the guys we've seen in the
Speaker 1: past from Alabama. I would rather go to offensive tackle
Speaker 1: three and four before going to Barmore. I would rather
Speaker 1: take Christian Derrisau or Tevin Jass. Okay, there you go,
Speaker 1: there you go. Wowee. You talk to people, you talk
Speaker 1: to people in that building, they will tell you that
Speaker 1: Derrishaw from Virginia Tech is a real left tackle where
Speaker 1: where some of the guys, some of the thoughts have been,
Speaker 1: what about you know with the Northwestern kid, was Slater? Hey,
Speaker 1: that might be they're telling that's Zack Martin, but if
Speaker 1: you kick him outside, you might not have the same player.
Speaker 1: So there's some questions. And I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: about arm lenked and all that stuff. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: that could make that could be maddening. But the one
Speaker 1: guy that I've heard over there is that Derek Shot
Speaker 1: from Virginia Tech. That's a guy that that might be
Speaker 1: that if if you got completely wiped out and you
Speaker 1: wanted to take a tackle, that's somebody that they believe
Speaker 1: as a real left tackle. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: wouldn't hate that. I don't think I would necessarily hate
Speaker 1: that either. And it's kind of the same thought process
Speaker 1: of whenever you talked about Rashaan Slater or even if
Speaker 1: somehow Penny Soul ends up falling, it's that same thought
Speaker 1: process of pick the best player that's on your board,
Speaker 1: and that somehow aligns with a need to kind of
Speaker 1: like how the Cowboys did last year at seventeen and
Speaker 1: Cede lamb. We're gonna go ahead and take our first
Speaker 1: break though, and when we come back, we're gonna hit
Speaker 1: some twitter on the twenty. Should the Cowboys go for
Speaker 1: a position under that corner at ten? And then how
Speaker 1: much would it cost for them to get back in
Speaker 1: the back half of the first round and maybe try
Speaker 1: and hit a corner. If they don't go corner at ten,
Speaker 1: we'll hit that next when we come back. You're on
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Speaker 1: do have to say, Jeff Kavanaugh, I'm very impressed with
Speaker 1: your timing. I think that was about as smooth as
Speaker 1: could be. If you're at home, there's no way you
Speaker 1: would have at any point thought that Jeff was in
Speaker 1: the middle of the hallway with his phone like ten
Speaker 1: seconds ago. But that's exactly what the case was. Magic
Speaker 1: of television and he made it work that time. So Jeff,
Speaker 1: just for that, we're gonna ask you this fresh question. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: first question, idea, how long the break was either just
Speaker 1: assume I'd be fine. Oh it was. It was perfect,
Speaker 1: It was impeccable all right. Time now for some twitter
Speaker 1: on the twe on the twenty first question comes from James,
Speaker 1: and I'm asking James question because he's been very adamant
Speaker 1: about us answering more questions. He has sent multiple tweets
Speaker 1: at least saying please answer more questions, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: answer his Kyle, Okay, sorry, Should the Cowboys go for
Speaker 1: a position other than cornerback at end? And what would
Speaker 1: it cost to move back up into the first round
Speaker 1: to potentially target a quarterback? He said, who you think
Speaker 1: they would get but I think if you're gonna try
Speaker 1: and go back up, it might be to get a
Speaker 1: guy at cornerback, but you could throw any position in there. Jeff,
Speaker 1: what do you think on that one? I think if
Speaker 1: you're going non cornerback, it would be for one of
Speaker 1: two reasons, either Certan and Horn are gone or they're
Speaker 1: both there. But you also had a slider like Pina
Speaker 1: Soil or Kyle Pitts. So in his scenario, I'll say
Speaker 1: we've taken either Pina Soil or Kyle Pitts, and then
Speaker 1: we looked at each other and like, guys, what are
Speaker 1: we doing at corner? And then you package maybe Brian
Speaker 1: can run numbers on this twenty seventy five, let's go
Speaker 1: to twin will be in the twenties somewhere. Wow. And
Speaker 1: then and then in my dream world, that gets me
Speaker 1: Greg Newsome. But with Caleb Farley's backfasectomies, I think Newsom
Speaker 1: probably becomes the third corner off the board, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if he makes the twenties. So it might
Speaker 1: be a waiting game where you're just seeing what happens
Speaker 1: at corner and figuring out when it's time to move,
Speaker 1: depending on who you like, like a Sante, Samuel Junior, Kelvin,
Speaker 1: Joseph Melafon Wu. When does Farley come into play? Elijah
Speaker 1: Molden blah blah blah blah blah. There's a million of them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you can move back up, and I think
Speaker 1: that becomes more likely if you take an offensive player
Speaker 1: at ten. Yeah, I agree. I think you know, again,
Speaker 1: you get to figure out somebody, will somebody let you
Speaker 1: back in for forty four and seventy five. That's what
Speaker 1: you got, you know, that's that's your offer. Maybe we've
Speaker 1: talked about the situation with Gallup as well. You could
Speaker 1: use him as a players, a throw in to kind
Speaker 1: of thing to maybe get somebody interested in it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, to me, if you're gonna go back in,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna see what the medical is on Farley.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if taken him, say at twenty four
Speaker 1: or twenty five, that might be just okay for me
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, but then again, if I'm not
Speaker 1: going to take him at ten, why would they take
Speaker 1: him fifteen picks later? Yeah, but I'm still going to
Speaker 1: investigate that. I'm gonna look at the like Jeff's talking
Speaker 1: about the Newsoms, the Melofon Woos, those types of guys.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of quarters. Even if you sat there
Speaker 1: to forty four. I think you could find you a
Speaker 1: cornerback in this draft, though, But if you want to
Speaker 1: be aggressive, go ahead and try and make it work, Dave,
Speaker 1: I think that's no, that's that's incredibly thorough. I honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to add to that other than
Speaker 1: I mean, y'all know me. I don't love moving around,
Speaker 1: and I know we spent the first twenty minutes doing
Speaker 1: doomsday stuff. But when you're picking, you're picking tenth, I
Speaker 1: just sort of believe that it's going to work out,
Speaker 1: especially with the depth the depth of this quarterback class,
Speaker 1: you know, like during the break, ESPN is reporting that
Speaker 1: Atlanta is trying to shop the number four pick, Like,
Speaker 1: I still think you're either going to have a quarterback
Speaker 1: sitting there. You know, when you pick tenth, you're either
Speaker 1: going to have a quarterback sitting there that you can
Speaker 1: use to trade, or so many quarterbacks are gonna have
Speaker 1: gotten drafted that a player you love is going to
Speaker 1: be sitting there. I don't know if I'm just being
Speaker 1: overly optimistic, but I really think that's got a high
Speaker 1: likelihood have happened. No, Like Dave, I think, honestly, out
Speaker 1: of the name's Pinnay Soul, and I'm gonna make sure here,
Speaker 1: but I think we would all be comfortable if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys pick was Pinnay Soul or Rashaun Slater or file
Speaker 1: Pits or Patrick's or Tan yep or yes, And I
Speaker 1: think at least one and up to three of those
Speaker 1: are gonna be available because I think you're gonna see
Speaker 1: Jamar Chasco, You're gonna see at least four quarterbacks. Go Like,
Speaker 1: I think that this thing is going to fall where
Speaker 1: you're going to be happy with what you've got at ten,
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna happen again at forty four.
Speaker 1: I understand if you wanted to target a certain player
Speaker 1: in the twenties and you wanted to move up, but
Speaker 1: I really think that and maybe this happens every year,
Speaker 1: but I love what the draft looks like from twenty
Speaker 1: five to seventy five. Yeah, I don't want to give
Speaker 1: up multiple picks in that range. I'm trying to add
Speaker 1: more of those picks if there's any way possible. Yep.
Speaker 1: I was putting together a top fifty one for the
Speaker 1: website for one oh five three, and I had a
Speaker 1: harder time putting together the players from twenty one on
Speaker 1: down than I did putting the players from the top
Speaker 1: of the round. So yeah, that just told you a
Speaker 1: little bit more thought about. Wow, I like this guy
Speaker 1: a little bit better than this guy. This guy, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with Jeff on that sit there at forty
Speaker 1: four if you want to, and you'll probably grab a
Speaker 1: pretty good player. And everybody may not know all these names,
Speaker 1: but at forty four, I mean, I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: have guys in consideration where I've got seven second round corners,
Speaker 1: Aaron Robinson, Eric Stokes, Elijah Molden. Are those guys at
Speaker 1: forty four? Jabril Cox and Baron Browning at linebacker, Elim
Speaker 1: McNeil at defensive tackle, Carlos Basham the edge, Joseph Osi,
Speaker 1: Peyton Turner, Alex Leatherwood at left tackle. If you don't
Speaker 1: know these names, just look them all up. But like
Speaker 1: these are guys that those are NFL starters. Man, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be an offensive lineman, there's gonna be a corner,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be Richie Grant. There's gonna be a safety,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be an edge player. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: dudes there that you're gonna love. Every single year that
Speaker 1: I've done this, we get off the air on Thursday
Speaker 1: night and there's like six guys sitting there that we've
Speaker 1: spent the whole spring talking about as possible first round picks,
Speaker 1: and but the Cowboys aren't usually picking this high. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: it's exciting to think that, you know, some of those
Speaker 1: guys will be there for him. Well, it happened last
Speaker 1: year with Trayvon Diggs. I mean, that was a guy
Speaker 1: we thought would go in the back half of the
Speaker 1: first round, and then not only did he fall, he
Speaker 1: fell to the Cowboys at fifty one, and it was
Speaker 1: something that was just kind of unforeseen and something that
Speaker 1: happened that was very exciting. But kind of along these
Speaker 1: same lines, Sebastian asked our next question. He said, what
Speaker 1: players outside of quarterback have the greatest boom or bus
Speaker 1: potential in this draft? And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: those names that could line up with this question are
Speaker 1: right in that twenty five to seventy five range that
Speaker 1: Brian you were just talking about. Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1: I am not the you know, And I heard Jeff
Speaker 1: mentioned he was talking about the linebackers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I do worry about a bust with Cox from LSU,
Speaker 1: and I know that's my school and all that, but
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not so shot on that one. And
Speaker 1: LSU has had a great history here recently and putting
Speaker 1: linebackers in the draft and it working out for him.
Speaker 1: But I do worry about him a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you another one I have a high grade on,
Speaker 1: and I worry about Kelvi Joseph from Kentucky, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I've got him in the mix with Newsome
Speaker 1: and Samuel Molden, those guys in the second round, but
Speaker 1: there might be some guys, you know, Melofon, Woo, Graham Stokes.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some maybe some other guys that might
Speaker 1: be better. I know I have him in that second round,
Speaker 1: but I would worry a little bit about him. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of a bus factor there as well.
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of defensive guys. I have some
Speaker 1: concerns about going into this thing. I feel like I
Speaker 1: have in the right spot, but I do have a
Speaker 1: little bit of apprehension about him well, And I want
Speaker 1: to mention the boom part of this too, because I
Speaker 1: feel like everybody that's listening is going to hear us
Speaker 1: pooh pooh the Michael Parsons idea. Michael Parsons could be
Speaker 1: an eight time All Pro in a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Very sure. That's the physical tools here. Like I think
Speaker 1: Parsons is boom er bust. I think they're Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: is a great name for boom er bust. I think
Speaker 1: the safety in Indiana, Jamar Johnson is a great name
Speaker 1: for boom or bust. I think if you could get
Speaker 1: him at seventy five, that's a real life free safety
Speaker 1: that just has no idea how toling works. But if
Speaker 1: you want a free safety that can cover and can
Speaker 1: turn the ball over, I think Jamar Johnson is a
Speaker 1: boomer bust guy. Gosh, there are just there's there's really
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm trying to think Nick Bolton, that's my
Speaker 1: dream at forty four yea as a Missouri linebacker Nick Bolton.
Speaker 1: But you are talking about five to eleven four sixth athlete.
Speaker 1: The shuttles weren't very good, So like you're talking about
Speaker 1: a guy that I absolutely love on tape that the
Speaker 1: testing was not great, So I think maybe there's some
Speaker 1: Boomer Bust there, But I'm more focused on the boom
Speaker 1: where I think he could be an outstanding NFL linebacker
Speaker 1: that may tumble his way into the mid second round
Speaker 1: because he's quote small and didn't test great. Yeah you
Speaker 1: could also throw in Grant as well. I know we've
Speaker 1: all talked about the safety you know there, but yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that's one of those ones looks really great on tape
Speaker 1: and you look at the testing numbers, probably not as
Speaker 1: great as they needed to be, but don't I mean,
Speaker 1: that's one of those kinds. If you get a guy
Speaker 1: like that, he could come in play a long time
Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, wait, some of the things are
Speaker 1: starting to show up that, you know, the testing numbers wise,
Speaker 1: that that make him, you know, make him have that
Speaker 1: kind of a career. I feel bad. Oh sorry, Jeff,
Speaker 1: go ahead, but I was just going to throw on
Speaker 1: a couple of quick names real quick. The defensive tackle
Speaker 1: class I think has a lot of Boomer bust in
Speaker 1: it owns Rique at Washington. I think that's big time
Speaker 1: Boomer bust. I think he's being talked about his potential
Speaker 1: first round pick, and it's off of physical tools. I don't.
Speaker 1: To me, it's not off of tape Marvin Wilson, who
Speaker 1: has two years as what a eighteen and nineteen year
Speaker 1: old of dominating college football, and then tape this last
Speaker 1: year where a lot of times they're running a three
Speaker 1: man line and it's a different spot and he looks
Speaker 1: like he's bigger and maybe not as explosive. Marvin Wilson
Speaker 1: I think might be the best defensive tackle in this
Speaker 1: draft class. Wow. And and maybe what happened to him
Speaker 1: in his third year in college football is that it
Speaker 1: was too easy to him and he didn't work hard enough.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm totally speculating. So maybe he's a
Speaker 1: complete bust. Maybe he's the best D tackle in the class.
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore D tackle yea, Alabama didn't play him on rundowns.
Speaker 1: They were acting like he's some dominant one technique. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't let him play football until it was done to
Speaker 1: rush the passer. So I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: D tackle class, my top three D tackles, I think
Speaker 1: they're all Boomer bust. That's I mean that goes in
Speaker 1: hand with what I was gonna say, which is I
Speaker 1: feel a little bit bad. It's just the nature of
Speaker 1: edge rushers is that they play such an important position
Speaker 1: that they get overdrafted. There's not a single guy that
Speaker 1: I would be shocked, you know. I mean, Quitty pay
Speaker 1: always comes to mind, just because his production last year
Speaker 1: wasn't amazing, but you know, he'll probably be a top
Speaker 1: twenty at least the top twenty five pick, but probably
Speaker 1: even higher because of the position that he plays. And
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of those guys. Joseph Acai,
Speaker 1: I think he's really intriguing, but I don't trust that
Speaker 1: that's going to translate. And that State guy, yeah away away, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like maybe maybe the most talented, like Purelyalenton, of all
Speaker 1: of them are certainly in the conversation with like none
Speaker 1: of the production to go along with it, but absolutely
Speaker 1: could be a first round pick on potential alone. So
Speaker 1: that's edge rushers scared the bejesus out of me. And
Speaker 1: that is unless it's unless it's a can't miss guy
Speaker 1: like a Chase Young. It scares the crap out of me,
Speaker 1: which I know, take my gut, Peyton Turner, take my gut,
Speaker 1: Peyton Turner. I mean, if you say, though, but it's
Speaker 1: a good player, it's scared. We're not betting on whipping
Speaker 1: around the corner and translating to the just athleticism. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get the guy who uses length and those he
Speaker 1: still went and can play multiple spots. Let's go. That's
Speaker 1: why I would I would take Boogie Basham before. I
Speaker 1: took a lot of these guys like just because so
Speaker 1: and the trying kid from Washington's another good one to
Speaker 1: watch too. So there's some guys that are really steady players,
Speaker 1: and I think there's gonna be some huge value in
Speaker 1: like you say that second third round, there's some of
Speaker 1: these guys, but you know, you just got to try
Speaker 1: and hope that you get the right one. That's always
Speaker 1: the trick here with the drive. I've got a third
Speaker 1: round boomer Bus guy that I really like. I got
Speaker 1: to actually call a game of his previously, and I
Speaker 1: think he's a fantastic player. Edge rusher Jordan Smith from
Speaker 1: u AB is somebody I think you should keep your
Speaker 1: eye on for a player that could potentially boom or bust.
Speaker 1: That it's more likely that he's a bust coming out
Speaker 1: of conference Tosa, but still something that you should keep
Speaker 1: your eye on. Now, Dave, I've got fifth round grade
Speaker 1: on him here. Fifth round grade, Okay, so I was
Speaker 1: like late fourth. I think he's where I'm at. But
Speaker 1: he's still somebody who I really do like in that
Speaker 1: that area. Dave, this is a really quick question for you,
Speaker 1: and this comes from b Human. He says, is Quitty
Speaker 1: pay really on the Cowboys radar at this point? Of course,
Speaker 1: Michigan not, I mean, not that I'm aware of at ten.
Speaker 1: But again, like you know, and that's that's the scary part.
Speaker 1: And the people that I've talked to, like I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's beyond obvious that they want a cornerback, like
Speaker 1: anybody can figure that out. I think they're more interested
Speaker 1: in linebacker than the three or the four of us
Speaker 1: would probably prefer them to be. I haven't heard a
Speaker 1: lot of noise about edge rushers, but again, the position
Speaker 1: is so valuable and the upside is so high. I
Speaker 1: don't think you can rule anything out, but at ten,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard a lot about that. I would the
Speaker 1: linebacker thing, Dave that you're mentioned, I actually want them
Speaker 1: to be interested in linebackers. I just don't want them
Speaker 1: to do it at ten because oh no, that's but
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. I mean at ted. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they absolutely should be interested in linebacker. But I think
Speaker 1: we would all agree not at number ten because if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are a smart organization, and then I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say things they're not gonna do, which is just
Speaker 1: gonna be very offensive. But like Layton Vanderis, I you
Speaker 1: can't stay on the field. I can't pay you ten
Speaker 1: million dollars for your fifth year. I gotta turn down
Speaker 1: your fifth year option. And when Jalen Smith's contract in
Speaker 1: the way he's played recently, I went out of it
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. If I'm the Cowboys, I'm in
Speaker 1: the market to replace both with my linebackers within the
Speaker 1: next twelve months. Good. Yeah, it's totally possible. I think
Speaker 1: that I think Quitty Pay, and for all the faults
Speaker 1: that we might see in Quitty Pay, I think what
Speaker 1: happens with him is because he's Michigan, he's defensive end,
Speaker 1: and we think of Taco. That's I think that's in
Speaker 1: a lot of people's minds. But you know, look at
Speaker 1: the kid Gary that went to the Packers and from Michigan.
Speaker 1: He's playing a lota to a defensive end. I just think,
Speaker 1: I just think that people in their mind are thinking
Speaker 1: Edge Rush or Michigan Taco, which I unfortunate, I hope not,
Speaker 1: because they couldn't be more dissimilar. Like Quitty Pay is
Speaker 1: a freak, actually, no question. I'm just telling you what
Speaker 1: people associate Michigan and defensive end with. Honestly, I think
Speaker 1: you're probably right. People do that a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: people still talk trash about LSU dbs because of Mo claiborne,
Speaker 1: So I get I get it, But I mean I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want them to pick Quitty Pay at ten, but
Speaker 1: I'd probably be more excited about it. And I know that.
Speaker 1: You know, I have to wear the blame because I
Speaker 1: defended the taco pick more than most, but I would
Speaker 1: probably be more excited because we said all along, we
Speaker 1: were like tacos. Ceiling isn't as high as other guys,
Speaker 1: but his floor could be higher as well, Like I
Speaker 1: think Quddy Pay is pure ceiling. So it might be
Speaker 1: a disaster, but if it works, it could work out
Speaker 1: really really well. I actually don't mind Pay as a
Speaker 1: floor guy because I think that the freak athleticism that
Speaker 1: you're banking on is what can he turn into as
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. But I think as a run player,
Speaker 1: he's already good. Like he's high effort, he's strong, he's
Speaker 1: just the thing that he's missing is he hasn't developed
Speaker 1: the pass rush yet and he doesn't have what the
Speaker 1: NFL is so enamored with in terms of, hey, where's
Speaker 1: your thirty five inch arm? But like, I think that
Speaker 1: dude is physical, tough, high motor. I think he'll be
Speaker 1: a good run player no matter what. And then it's
Speaker 1: can we unlock this athleticism and turn you into a
Speaker 1: great pass rusher? So I don't mind his floor. I
Speaker 1: just think ten is like Dave, you talked about it
Speaker 1: with all these pass rushers, all of them. The scouting
Speaker 1: report is something like that, just talking about different things
Speaker 1: that you're you feel good about and the other things
Speaker 1: where it's like can I develop it? And it's just
Speaker 1: it's such a strange class for the edge guys. But
Speaker 1: I think quitity pay when you go with the Michigan thing.
Speaker 1: He's stronger, he's more active, he's more athletic. Yeah, range,
Speaker 1: but if you just had long arms, yeah yeah, if
Speaker 1: you do the work. If you do the work, you
Speaker 1: can see that Quitty Pay is a better player he is,
Speaker 1: and that should alleviate a lot of your stress. I
Speaker 1: would just like to think there's a more I would
Speaker 1: like to think there's a more complete, ready made guy.
Speaker 1: And I mean I'm not trying to dog Quinny Pay
Speaker 1: too much, but that's more of like, oh man, I
Speaker 1: hope he's really good as opposed like hopefully at number ten,
Speaker 1: there should be a guy that I feel more confident about.
Speaker 1: That's all. So would be that guy for me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: rapid fire. Last question. I want to get this in
Speaker 1: because I think it's a great one. Uh fill in
Speaker 1: this sentence. If the Cowboys do not draft blank position
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds of this draft, it would
Speaker 1: be a mistake. Brian, start us off. Which position would
Speaker 1: be a mistake if you don't hit it at least
Speaker 1: once in this draft in the first three rounds. I
Speaker 1: think cornerback is it. I mean the corners are really
Speaker 1: you know, the corners, the wide receivers. I think you've
Speaker 1: got to find a way to get a cornerback. I
Speaker 1: want to say that the safety position could stretch a
Speaker 1: little bit at free but I think you need to
Speaker 1: draft a corner out of this thing, that the quality
Speaker 1: through the rounds is just too good to pass up.
Speaker 1: I think that will absolutely do Man Dave. Cornerback is
Speaker 1: the answer. But since Brian already said it, and I'll
Speaker 1: actually I think this is more important to the point
Speaker 1: Death made a minute ago. Linebacker and the reason why
Speaker 1: the Cowboy the Cowboys front office they need a cornerback.
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred. I know they're looking at him.
Speaker 1: But did they think linebacker is as drastic a need
Speaker 1: as we do? Or are they sitting over here basically
Speaker 1: in denial about Jalen and you know, maybe thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, we can pick up Layton's option and he'll
Speaker 1: be healthy and it's not a concern and Dan Quinn's
Speaker 1: gonna get Jayalen right. Like, I could absolutely see the
Speaker 1: front office pumping some sunshine and ignoring linebacker, and I
Speaker 1: think that would be a huge mistake. I will say safety,
Speaker 1: because you're Kurt starting free safety. His guaranteed money is
Speaker 1: one tenth of what haha Clinton Dix was guaranteed, and
Speaker 1: he's coming off of a torn achilles. So I think
Speaker 1: you need to draft a guy you think can play
Speaker 1: free safety in the first three rounds. I like, so
Speaker 1: basically the whole defense. Yeah, I was about to say,
Speaker 1: the whole You can throw defensive tackle. You can throw
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in there too, if you want to throw
Speaker 1: an engine there. Yeah. Gosh, don't yell at me. Don't
Speaker 1: yell at me too much. But Mike, if defensive tackle
Speaker 1: doesn't work out for him, I'm not you know what,
Speaker 1: It's not the end of the world. That's basically how
Speaker 1: I feel like. I'm like, it's not great, but it's
Speaker 1: not the end of the world. Don't yell at me.
Speaker 1: We're trying to hold back right now. When we come
Speaker 1: back here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show,
Speaker 1: have we talked enough about maybe putting JC Horne above
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Speaker 1: Brian brought us, David Hellman, Jeff kavanaughm Kyle Yeomans. You
Speaker 1: can join us again Thursday, ten am Central Time. It'll
Speaker 1: be Bucky Brooks, Kevin, Katie Turner, Dane Brugler, the arrest
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show crew, but Brian,
Speaker 1: you brought up this thought in our in our group
Speaker 1: message leading into today's show, and David I actually kind
Speaker 1: of had this conversation briefly yesterday in studio. But are
Speaker 1: we really putting enough stock in JC Horne as a
Speaker 1: potential number one corner in this draft class, maybe even
Speaker 1: above Patrick Curtan or are we crazy even thinking that's
Speaker 1: anywhere close to being the case. No, I actually have
Speaker 1: on my board and I'll put it out here on
Speaker 1: our website on one oh five three that I work with,
Speaker 1: I'll put it out and show you that I have
Speaker 1: Jac Horne above Certana and it's no disrespect to Certan
Speaker 1: at all. And you know, if the Cowboys take him,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's fine. I have no problem with that.
Speaker 1: I just think that to me, in this day and
Speaker 1: age the National Football League, you've got to have guys
Speaker 1: at battle. You gotta have guys that are tough. You
Speaker 1: gotta have guys at corner to play with a chip
Speaker 1: on their shoulder. And I and I think that to me,
Speaker 1: you look at Horn, he's a guy that's like that.
Speaker 1: His dad was that type of a player. With the Saints.
Speaker 1: You always played with a chip. I think the kid
Speaker 1: has that same type of ability physically, He's what you
Speaker 1: wanted a cornerback, Sir Tamble. It's good too. I just
Speaker 1: feel like with Horn though, I want that competitive, tough edge,
Speaker 1: and I think that he brings that and that's why
Speaker 1: I have him above certain Dave. I have him. Oh good. Sorry,
Speaker 1: So I never know who's gonna go, but it's no
Speaker 1: part of me wonders. Part of me wonders if maybe
Speaker 1: this is just boredom because Certan has been the top
Speaker 1: cornerback since October probably maybe even longer than that, so
Speaker 1: maybe people are just looking for reasons to switch it up.
Speaker 1: But with that in mind, I have, you know, talked
Speaker 1: to people I know who do this for a living,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, am I stupid for thinking this? And
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm not gonna say definitively one way or
Speaker 1: the other, but you're definitely not crazy, and they're definitely
Speaker 1: gonna be teams that agree with that. Like I guarantee
Speaker 1: you there are teams that think Horn is the top
Speaker 1: corner and I want to be careful because, like I've
Speaker 1: never met Patrick Surtan, he started multiple years at the
Speaker 1: best program in the country, Like you don't pull that
Speaker 1: off without having some alpha mentality to you. But I'm
Speaker 1: with Brian, like J. C. Horne seems like he's got
Speaker 1: the type of you know, alpha pain in the ass,
Speaker 1: chip on the shoulder attitude where he could come in
Speaker 1: here as a rookie and be like, no, like we're
Speaker 1: changing the culture in here, like you know, we're we're
Speaker 1: not getting toasted the way we have. Like he almost
Speaker 1: like like a Richard Sherman type of mentality where he's
Speaker 1: gonna make the play and then trash talk his own
Speaker 1: teammate for throwing the paths, you know, and that's really
Speaker 1: really intriguing when you remember how pitiful this defense looked
Speaker 1: at times last year. So I don't think you can
Speaker 1: go wrong either way, but I think it is a
Speaker 1: very worthwhile conversation that JC Horn might be the better player.
Speaker 1: Horn my number one cornerback too. I have him above
Speaker 1: cur Tan. But I also think that for NFL teams,
Speaker 1: a lot of what this is, especially early in the draft,
Speaker 1: is risk management, and with cur Tan, you're you have
Speaker 1: less risk. Like cir Tan is an outstanding tackler. He
Speaker 1: like there's nothing on a football field that he doesn't
Speaker 1: do well, and with JC Horne, He's a wild tackler
Speaker 1: who just kind of ducks his head and lunges. He
Speaker 1: had five penalties in the games they played last year.
Speaker 1: He's grabby. So like, there are more things that I
Speaker 1: think the team is going to look at and see
Speaker 1: risk with, but I also look at the positives of Horn,
Speaker 1: which is when South Carolina they get off the plane
Speaker 1: or the bus or whatever, they say, well, who's the
Speaker 1: best guy. Horn's got him, And it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: it's a tight end, the slot receiver, the outside, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. He's going where that guy is and that
Speaker 1: guy's gonna hate him for the entire football game. So
Speaker 1: Horn's my number one guy. But I think that we
Speaker 1: do we do have to ignowit knowledge that going that
Speaker 1: route and saying that Horne is your top corner is
Speaker 1: saying I know the risks of JC Horn, and I
Speaker 1: accept it because I'm betting on the mentality, with the athleticism,
Speaker 1: with the ball skills and the versatility that he's gonna
Speaker 1: go cover the best guy. He's not just playing corner.
Speaker 1: He's gonna come find you and you're not going to
Speaker 1: enjoy that day. That's what's kind of interru Horn Fan
Speaker 1: Club Basic. I was about to say that what's intriguing
Speaker 1: to me because I feel like we've talked about this
Speaker 1: from the beginning of Patrick Urtan being that number one guy,
Speaker 1: and then out of all of a sudden, we're three
Speaker 1: weeks from the draft and now J. C. Horne is
Speaker 1: the number one option at corner. Is it should we
Speaker 1: be scared? Well? No, But I mean there's people like
Speaker 1: myself that had Farley over both those guys, true, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and so I don't think that's your Tan
Speaker 1: has always been the number one guy, I know before
Speaker 1: the back problems, and talk is some teams around the
Speaker 1: league they absolutely love Farley, you know, and we're willing
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, he is the top guy. But with
Speaker 1: the back thing, you can't have him as your top
Speaker 1: guy unless some teams are totally saying, oh, it's not
Speaker 1: going to be a problem. But yeah, I mean Curtan
Speaker 1: is what you know about Curtan and Dave and Jeff
Speaker 1: did a great job. What you know about Curtan is
Speaker 1: he went to one of the best programs in the country.
Speaker 1: He's playing huge games, He's been a starter for a
Speaker 1: lot of years. He's got coached by Nick Saban Hard
Speaker 1: the Saban coaches those the secondary in Alabama. You know
Speaker 1: his technique is going to be good. You know, his
Speaker 1: ability to make plays off man, whatever he has to do.
Speaker 1: And you're right, it's about avoiding. It's about it's about
Speaker 1: the risk. You know, what is your risk? What are
Speaker 1: you willing to tolerate? You want somebody safe and steady,
Speaker 1: or do you want a guy that's going to be
Speaker 1: combative and not down balls and get balls and get
Speaker 1: turnovers and stuff. That's where you But he might be
Speaker 1: wheels off too. He might get oldiepenally late in the game.
Speaker 1: That's gonna kill you. That's where you have to be
Speaker 1: able to evaluate these guys right now. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think if the Cowboys had an opportunity to draft
Speaker 1: between Curtan and Horn, I think they would take Certain.
Speaker 1: I really really do. I was about to say the
Speaker 1: same thing and I and it's not a knock on anybody.
Speaker 1: I do think. I do think some of it is
Speaker 1: boredom on a lot of levels, like boredom from just
Speaker 1: talking about Certain and boredom because Curtan is so safe
Speaker 1: like that, like everybody. You know his technique, he's he's sound,
Speaker 1: he's not flashy, and you know, when you're talking about
Speaker 1: a top ten pick, like as mean as it sounds
Speaker 1: to say, that's that's not super exciting, So people look
Speaker 1: for a more exciting alternative. And I completely agree with Brian.
Speaker 1: I love jac Horn. I like, you know, I be
Speaker 1: the Cowboys pick and a perfect world for all the
Speaker 1: reasons he just listed. Hey, guys, I think there's a
Speaker 1: chance Greg Newsom ends up being the best corner in
Speaker 1: this class. Oh you can't just throw that out there
Speaker 1: two minutes from the end of the show and not
Speaker 1: give any experts. I throw it out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's Jeff's thing is to find a guy who's
Speaker 1: like in the conversation but not really and be like, no,
Speaker 1: he's way but apparently, can I ask you what you
Speaker 1: can Ik, Kelvin Joseph gets along with everybody, then there's
Speaker 1: a chance Kelvin Joseph ends up being the best corner
Speaker 1: in this drafts. Yeah, I mean, as you though about
Speaker 1: Newsom though, did you you see how much off coverage
Speaker 1: and stuff that he plays at Northwestern? Do you really
Speaker 1: see his ability as a player. Yeah, they play a
Speaker 1: ton of very deep cover three which keeps everything in
Speaker 1: front of him, right, Yeah, so you can't complete deep
Speaker 1: balls on him, but it's part of the scheme. But
Speaker 1: I think his athletic testing is what really helped him
Speaker 1: for me, because never you couldn't really know because of
Speaker 1: what they were asking him to do. But I think
Speaker 1: you take the instincts, the ball skills, what was on tape,
Speaker 1: and then you say, oh, and perhaps he is an
Speaker 1: elite athlete and you go, Wow, Okay, that dude's gonna
Speaker 1: be really really good. Interesting. I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it goes back to the conversation we
Speaker 1: had in the first segment where I think a better
Speaker 1: player will be available at ten. That's the beauty and
Speaker 1: the curse of number ten is it's like how far
Speaker 1: down you know, how far down on your board do
Speaker 1: you want to go? Preferably not at all. That's a
Speaker 1: beauty of the trade down. You trade down, you might
Speaker 1: still you go down on the board about Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before in our show too. Jeff
Speaker 1: is like, how many teams behind you have? Cornerback is
Speaker 1: a primary or a secondary? Need? You know? I think
Speaker 1: there were like I bet six corners go in the
Speaker 1: first I bet five or six corners go in the
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem, right there,
Speaker 1: is somebody gonna let you get back in the draft,
Speaker 1: and or let you get back in, and is somebody
Speaker 1: gonna let you come down knowing that you're hunting a
Speaker 1: corner at that spot, you know that where they're hunting
Speaker 1: a corner too. That's the that's the pitfall a little bit,
Speaker 1: or the things the navigation of the minefield that you
Speaker 1: have to go through in this draft fifty. Going back
Speaker 1: to the doomsday scenario, I'm with Jeff that I'm not
Speaker 1: convinced it's doomsday, not because of Jamar Chase, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like if if Trey Lance or even Mac Jones slides
Speaker 1: to ten New England, or how about Chicago at twenty,
Speaker 1: somebody shoot Ryan Pace is like a thumbnail away from
Speaker 1: getting fired. You think he's not going to try to
Speaker 1: do something bold to get a quarterback last time, but no, Oh, well,
Speaker 1: appreciate this. I hope you read it on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot com. I encourage you. Great website for our mailbag
Speaker 1: today is somebody was asking about trading back and I said,
Speaker 1: if Chicago wants to give you next year's one to
Speaker 1: come up from twenty. I'm doing that all day because
Speaker 1: there will be good players sitting there at twenty. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: yeah I would. I would do that as well. But
Speaker 1: I'm also really surprised on the horn over, sir Tan.
Speaker 1: But I do have to add this in right before
Speaker 1: we have to get off the air. But our guy
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, whenever he was asked, who was your toughest
Speaker 1: matchup during your time in college? Do you know if
Speaker 1: he played both Patrick Sutan and jac Horne? And he said,
Speaker 1: mister j Yeah he did, because he was annoyed. You
Speaker 1: can see it on tape. He hated J. C. Horne.
Speaker 1: He was like, the son of a biscuit is grabbing
Speaker 1: me every play. You guys aren't calling it. He's annoying.
Speaker 1: I hate him, Like it was on tap. You can
Speaker 1: see it. He hated it. Yeah he did, and he
Speaker 1: was very open about that, saying then Jac Horne was
Speaker 1: the toughest matchup that Kyle Pitts had the entirety of
Speaker 1: his collegiate career. But that's going to do it for
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