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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: This podcast contains spoilers for the season one finale of

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Speaker 2: the Last of Us on HBO, plus some spoilers for

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Speaker 2: the Last of Us Part two, the video game. In

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Speaker 2: our nerd Out section, be warned. Hello, my name is

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Speaker 2: Jason Concepcion and I'm Raisie and I and welcome to

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Speaker 2: x ray Vision, the crooked media podcast where we dive

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Speaker 2: dee you've been to your favorite shows, movies, comics.

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Speaker 1: And pop culture.

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Speaker 3: On this episode in the air look, we will be

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Speaker 3: digging deep into the Lost of Us season one finale

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Speaker 3: aka complaining.

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Speaker 4: About Molly and I'll have bad choices spoiler.

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Speaker 2: A lot, Oh Marlene.

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Speaker 4: So many bad choices. In nerd Out, we're gonna have

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Speaker 4: a theory on the post Lost of Us Pot.

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Speaker 3: Three video game. I love how much all Lost of

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Speaker 3: Us coverage is inspiring people to think about what could

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Speaker 3: come next in the story.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and of course, if you want to jump around,

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Speaker 2: check out the time stamps and the show notes coming

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Speaker 2: up the airlock, chepping out of the airlock and into

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Speaker 2: the hospital run by the Fireflies badly run, badly run,

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Speaker 2: poorly run by the Firefliers. For the season one finale

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Speaker 2: of the Last of us on HBO Max. Let's get started.

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Speaker 2: We open years ago. We see a pregnant woman fleeing

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Speaker 2: through the woods from an infected You hear the growls

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Speaker 2: of the infected. This is Anna, Ellie's mother. She runs

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Speaker 1: Do we know what the city is?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: She just she's running through the forest. They really horror up.

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Speaker 3: And then she's always trying to get to some kind

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Speaker 1: Yes, Ellie's mother.

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Speaker 2: Anna is expecting that someone is going to meet her there.

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Speaker 1: And I'm here, I'm here. No one is there. She's

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Speaker 2: It is a dire existential situation. She takes out her knife.

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Speaker 2: It is the pearl handled switchblade that Ellie carries, and

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Speaker 2: on that night, three figures approach. One of them is Marlene,

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Speaker 2: so this is the Fireflies. They find the house locked.

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Speaker 2: She's like at the moment, at the hint that she

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Speaker 1: I kind of wonder if it's not her fault.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, did Marleyne cause this to happen?

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Speaker 3: Look, if Morlene and other fireflies, even just Mollyne and

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Speaker 2: Now it's a devastating lie, one of several devastating lies

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Speaker 3: So there is a chance that we would be living

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Speaker 3: as this episode seems to confirmed very famous, very beloved

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Speaker 3: Last of Us fan theory that the reason Ellie is

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Speaker 2: She's lost in thought. You know, a lot of things

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Speaker 2: It's really Joel in dad mode at this point. You know,

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Speaker 1: What's going on.

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Speaker 2: Joel says that he saw a guitar in the RV

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Speaker 2: And of course game players will know that this is

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Speaker 2: He wants to teach her how to play, but she

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Speaker 2: realize that Ellie has found a draff, a wild draft

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Speaker 3: To have Ellie go from this disconnected, disassociative.

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Speaker 3: the way that they kind of just bubble with this

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Speaker 3: She doesn't want to hear it, she doesn't want to

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Speaker 4: He's trying so hard to connect with that.

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Speaker 2: They find an old army hospital. This is one of

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Speaker 2: And then there's that wonderful moment where she says, well,

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Speaker 2: So they move on and at Joel's suggestion, Ellie breaks

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Speaker 2: And as they're doing this, they don't notice that a

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Speaker 1: They've been trying to do it for twenty years. They've

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Speaker 2: Just fucking go up and say, hands up, like you've

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Have placed all their hope on one child, a white

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Speaker 2: So this thank you for raising this, Okay, because Joe

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Speaker 4: You're saying people who are meant to go to the hospital.

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Speaker 5: Why aren't you having a meeting every fucking day?

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Speaker 4: We're looking for a.

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Speaker 1: Girl and a guy travel a lode.

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Speaker 5: She's forte. Here's what they look like. If you see that,

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Speaker 3: Also, wouldn't you have someone like on a horse in

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Speaker 4: Isn't this why they are there?

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Speaker 2: Like this is the only reason there's anybody here associated

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Speaker 4: What the fuck?

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Speaker 3: Also, as well, like, let's be real, if you're talking,

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Speaker 4: Yet I'll tell you a spoiler. It includes the brain.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be find she's going she's going into surgery. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Joel's coming out of, you know, his concussion, and he's like,

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Speaker 2: Marlene dodges it by saying, man, really amazing that you

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Speaker 4: We knew like half the people.

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Speaker 1: And there's not a scratch on heart.

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Speaker 1: And Joel's like, well, you know, Ellie, He's like, it

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Speaker 2: It was Ali really, and then she says, you know,

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Speaker 1: We didn't tell her. There won't be any fear.

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Speaker 4: What you just let you just send her to her deathbed.

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Speaker 1: You kill them, and you're not letting them know.

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Speaker 4: What's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: And also, like, just on that note, yeah, there is

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Speaker 4: Maybe why is there so much rush? What's going on? Also,

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Speaker 2: What about the brain or is there fungus in her blood.

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Speaker 1: That we can grow?

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Speaker 4: Like that's a really good point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like why are we jumping to well, let's just

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Speaker 4: Also as well, like the mo interesting things. So this

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Speaker 3: They basically say like, oh that we think the cordceps mutated.

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Speaker 3: It's very science like super science, just like you accept it.

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Speaker 3: Here there's this really detailed, interesting version of why Eley's immune.

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Speaker 4: I know you have needles Because we see her.

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Speaker 3: In an operating room she's hooked up to like anesthesia

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Speaker 4: Just so many levels. First of all by doing it.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's go, let's let's let's start with their Joel

441
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 2: obviously becomes.

442
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 4: Irate, does not take it well.

443
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 2: Marlene is then like, hey, listen, I was there when

444
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 2: she was born, Joel. I promised her mother that I

445
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: would save the child. So I understand. I'm the only

446
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 2: one who understands. She's trying, you know, trying to say, like,

447
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: I understand the way of this choice. It means a

448
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 2: lot to me emotionally, a very very cold comfort. Also,

449
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 2: like you did promise to save the child now and now.

450
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: You're killing her. And also you lied to her about.

451
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 4: It as well. I've got a very interesting.

452
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 1: Point, a weird way to honor the promise.

453
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, feel like I don't really care about that, because

454
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 4: I have to.

455
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 3: Say, I wonder why the doctor would have any idea

456
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 3: that it had been with Ellie since birth.

457
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 4: Sounds like someone who was there when she was born

458
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 4: must have told him that. Sounds like this was always

459
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 4: your plan.

460
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: And you were actually more interested, as we said, in

461
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 3: Ellie as a cure, and that's why you're teaching her

462
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 3: than because you care about in the game. It's because

463
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 3: she has this connection to Anna, and she wants to

464
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 3: protect her.

465
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 4: She won't let her join the Firefly. She wants her

466
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 4: in the orphanage.

467
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: Here we know that Marlene has always suspected clearly that

468
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: Ellie could be in his.

469
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: This version of Marlene is much more interested as in

470
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 2: Ellie as a vehicle to power the Fireflies, to power, saying, hey,

471
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: look what we have.

472
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 1: We have a cure, like, yeah, that's a great shot.

473
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: You run the country.

474
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: And I think, and it's it's a subtle shift, but

475
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: I think a significant one from the game, because you're right,

476
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 2: Like in the game, there's a much more emotional drive

477
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: and she really believes in what she's doing here. I

478
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: think she's just like fuck it, like this is how

479
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: we win, Yeah, Marlene. Joel is like, well, well, Marlen

480
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,719
Speaker 2: then says, I have no other choice than to do this.

481
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 2: Joel says I do, which is clearly you know what

482
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: that means. And then Marlene is like, well, we're not

483
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: gonna let you do that. I'm going to order these

484
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 2: two guys right over.

485
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 4: Here, random guys.

486
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 2: Hey, take take Joel out to the highway, then give

487
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: his backpack and this knife, and if he tries anything,

488
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: shoot him.

489
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: Let me stop here.

490
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: You just got done telling us Marlene about like how

491
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: your fucking infinite clown car of fireflies got torn up

492
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: crossing the country and.

493
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: Joel managed to do it alone. Right, Yeah, there's like

494
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: none of you mean.

495
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: And let me also remind you that in episode one,

496
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: your entire boss then like headquarters got torn apart during

497
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: a deal for a dead battery.

498
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 4: A car battery.

499
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: You guys are bad at this.

500
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: Joel is very good at this, and you're gonna send

501
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: two guys with him and not be like, hey, by

502
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: the way, tie his hands together, or.

503
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: By the way, this guy is insane like a wild

504
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: famous maderate throwing another.

505
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: Stun grenade Adam and drag him out to the highway,

506
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: or just shoot him because like they wake.

507
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 4: Up, it's not if you're gonna go the terrible route

508
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 4: that they go and go the whole hole. He's gonna

509
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 4: kill La kill Joel.

510
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: Spoiler, Joel tries something shot, He goes Joel Wick. He

511
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: then proceeds to go on a murder spree, a brutal

512
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: murder spree, killing everyone in the building, probably twenty people

513
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: because he.

514
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: Runs out of AMMO twice.

515
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and ends up like you know, he runs out

516
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 2: of AMMO with like a Ruger uh some like Ruger

517
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: Mini fourteen an assault and for assault rifle. And then

518
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: he ends up with like a pistol. So he's and

519
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: he's had to stab a guy because he comes out

520
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: of AMMO. He just like kills everybody there. They can't

521
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: shoot him. He's in the hallway. There's three people shooting

522
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: like stormtrooper, hey, madness, point grazed. John just rips through

523
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: them again the fireflies.

524
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: You guys like bad.

525
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: You were brought here to guard this very very important

526
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: surgical procedure from any attack.

527
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: This is the thing that's gonna save the world, guys.

528
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: And and we've brought the one threat that could really

529
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 2: like upend this mission here necessarily so because we need

530
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: to separate him from Elli. And then nobody's ready for this.

531
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: You hear a gunshot and everyone's like.

532
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: Was that a gun shot?

533
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 4: Like, let me go, No single goes to the sagery.

534
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 5: Shouldn't you be like walling off the surgery from this?

535
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: Like the one guy here's the gunshot and he's like,

536
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: let me go investigate in front of like a window

537
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: and not and not realize.

538
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: That somebody could shoot me through it.

539
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 2: It's like, guys, all of you, how did they get

540
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: how is it this bad?

541
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: For twenty years?

542
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: No wonder you'd never managed to like beet federer, who

543
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: also sucks, Fedro sucks.

544
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 4: You know what I'll say. You know who successfully did it? Kathleen,

545
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 4: she also sucked. But unless she did it, Marlene did

546
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 4: not do it. Marlene did nothing apart from make many

547
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 4: terrible mistakes. I will say as humorous as this all this,

548
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 4: because Marlene's ridiculous and the five flights are terrible, what

549
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 4: I will say is I.

550
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 3: Was very impressed once again because something we've said throughout

551
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: this is like the way that they show violence is

552
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: very different from the game. The game is very much

553
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 3: like you are killing people. They are disposable. You're killing

554
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: three four, five hundred people before you get here, soldiers

555
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: infected a live people, cortysceps whatever. But here they even

556
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 3: though you're essentially showing someone going around page to a hospital,

557
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: which is pretty horrific and like relevant.

558
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: And scary, echoes to the real way exactly.

559
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: Like really that they do this really intro thing where

560
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 3: they don't give it that John Wick sound, that that

561
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: action movie sound. They soften all the sound and they

562
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: have this slow music and they they said afterwards it

563
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: was it's Joel disassociating.

564
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: And every time he kills someone, you see their dead

565
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 4: body on the ground. Face if you see them, it's

566
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: really horrific. You see them fall.

567
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: And so even in this ridiculous situation where at this point,

568
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: like everyone who's watching the show is actually backing Joel,

569
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: which is unbelievable for what you're seeing about that, but like,

570
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: I do think they still manage to be responsible in

571
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 3: the way that they showed it, even though it is

572
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: like in the context of the show that you're just like,

573
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: what the hell were you doing?

574
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: So Joel fights his way to the surgical theater. Again,

575
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: there's no guards in front of the door.

576
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: There's nobody there.

577
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: Decades, they're all dead they I guess ran willy nilly, right.

578
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 4: Change the door from the inside again.

579
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: Who's training the fireflies who are probably like, uh, you know,

580
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: indoctrinated as twelve year olds, and they given a gun

581
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: and then we see that kind of like clearly. So

582
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: Joel gets there. It's a surgeon and two nurses. The

583
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: surgeon idiotically tries to resist. Joel just kills him and

584
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: then tells the nurses like on hook Ellie from the machines.

585
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: They do, and those are the only two people that

586
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: he stares perhaps faithfully is ahead and sees very faithful

587
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 2: in that and a bit and then he picks up

588
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: Ellie carries her down to the parking garage where there's

589
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: a van ready to go. He sees it and he's

590
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: walking towards it head clown in charge. Marlene comes up

591
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: behind Joel and like, doesn't just cap him right away

592
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: in the head? Yeah, just cap him right now. Nope,

593
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: then decides to have a monologue. You can't keep her

594
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: safe forever, Okay, she's got a gun on Joel, And

595
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: then she tells him, you know, perhaps accurately, hey, Ellie,

596
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: whether she's killed by infected, or she's killed by raid,

597
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: or something bad will happen to her because quote, we

598
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: live in a broken world that you could have saved.

599
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 2: And then Joel says, you know, really dead on the

600
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: mark here maybe, but it isn't for you to decide,

601
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: or you so would So what would she decide? Marlene says?

602
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 2: And Marlene says she thinks Ellie would want to go

603
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: through with it, and she sees on Joel's face that

604
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: he knows that Ellie would want to go through. Yeah,

605
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: now let's stop here again, Marlene, I think this would

606
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: carry a lot more weight if you had.

607
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: Austa as you had dis you Lich also like, Marlene

608
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: lies a lot.

609
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, why didn't you just lie to Joel and say

610
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 4: you did Oscar?

611
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 6: Yeah?

612
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 4: I mean you should have lost her on a moral level.

613
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 3: But again, this is the this is the Mandalorian, Like,

614
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: do you really need to go to the minds Moleyne

615
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: just say Ellie said she wanted to do it. That

616
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: would actually hold a little bit of wait with Joe

617
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: Joe Whitefire. Well that hell, wake up, then you can

618
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: osc her.

619
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 4: She already told me. Nope, none of it's happened in

620
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Marlene, it's time.

621
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 5: To go and so no, Marilene says, like it's not

622
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 5: too late.

623
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: Even now, even after all you've done killing twenty of

624
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: my people plus the doctor, we can see.

625
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: We can still find a way.

626
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: And Joel looks down at Ellie's leap in his arms

627
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: and we smashed cut to the van.

628
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: They're out.

629
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: Ellie wakes up in the back seat. Joel's like, it's

630
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: all right, you're with me. Ellie doesn't understand why she's there,

631
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: why she's in a surgical gown, why she's drugged. Joel

632
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 2: tells Ellie that the fireflies were running some tests on you,

633
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: and then raiders attacked and guess what, I barely got

634
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: you out. And also turns out there's a whole more

635
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: people like you, people who are immune, dozens of them,

636
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: and the doctors had worked with them, but they couldn't

637
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: make any of it work. Here they stopped looking for

638
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: a cure. And that's in and we're driving home now,

639
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: and then we flash back and we see that Joel

640
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: shot Marlene, and then as she's begging for her life,

641
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: he finishes her off, knowing probably listen, if Marlene's gonna live,

642
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: the fireflies will never going to come with you.

643
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: Ellie takes all of this in.

644
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: Joel's tells her like, I'm taking this home he means Jackson,

645
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: and clearly even in her drugged, you know, concussed state,

646
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: understands that this doesn't kind of add up.

647
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: She turns away from it.

648
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, she gives him the teenage back. She's like, I'm

649
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: going to sleep, like I can't deal with this.

650
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: And they drive through the night and eventually end up

651
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: about five hours away from Jackson when the car breaks

652
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: down and they hiked the rest of the way and

653
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: end up on a ridge overlooking Jackson. They're withinside of

654
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: it now. Joel talks about Sarah, how much she used

655
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: to love hiking, and talking about the differences between the two.

656
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: Sarah's more girly, not no offense Ellie, and Ellie's like, yeah,

657
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: I get out there. No, she was taller, but she

658
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: would have liked you because you're You're very funny, and

659
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: I bet she would have liked her back, Ellie says yeah,

660
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: And then finally, overlooking Jackson, Ellie tells Joel about Riley's like,

661
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, back in case, you asked me about the

662
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: first time I killed some one, and she says, you

663
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: know that about Riley, that she got infected and they

664
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: waited it out until she lost her mind, and then finally,

665
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: to spare her, Ellie killed her. And she mentions Tess

666
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: and Sarah and all these other bodies that she there

667
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: on her conscience, and Joel's like, no, no, no, don't worry, that's.

668
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: Not on you.

669
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: Sometimes things don't work out the way we hoped, and

670
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: he goes on you know, talking about like hope and

671
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: how you have to keep going when all seems lost.

672
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: And then finally the thing that's on Ellie's mind comes

673
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: to the surface. Swear to me that everything you said

674
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: about the fireflies is true, And Joel says, I swear,

675
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: and Ellie like looks hard at Joel's face for any

676
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: trace of a lie.

677
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: I think she knows.

678
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: I think she knows. I think she doesn't want to

679
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: see it.

680
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: She's I think it's like when you know a parent

681
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: is lying to you, but you're just like it's so.

682
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: What can you do in that moment?

683
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: Like Ellie is incredibly smart in some ways, like she

684
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: we've seen her do dumb stuff, but like she's very

685
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: smart in like in emotional intelligence, and in that moment,

686
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: I just so felt like every single possibility is going

687
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: through her head, Like what do you do if you if,

688
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: as you suspect, this guy just killed everyone and damned

689
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: the world and he did it like to protect you,

690
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: what other option do you really have than to go

691
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: with him? Then you know he will go, He will

692
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: do anything to keep you alive. So it's a certain

693
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: amount of safety and security.

694
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: What can you do? And also she obviously loves him

695
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: in her own way.

696
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: There is like a really sad, fucked up on there

697
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: that came from something good and turned into something terrible.

698
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 4: There's just so much in this last moment. Oh so good.

699
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, she says okay, and we cut and it's the

700
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: exact ending of the game.

701
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: X Ray Vision will be back.

702
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 5: And we're back.

703
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that choice, because I think one of

704
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: the things we were talking about before show recording is

705
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: how interesting it is that it's so much easier to

706
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: back Joel in the TV version of this because of

707
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: mainly the fireflies in competence, but also.

708
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: Because of what a.

709
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: You know, what a generous and protective and empathic figure

710
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: Joel becomes over the course of this journey, and a

711
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: wonderful performance by Pedro Pascal, And also because you know,

712
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: in the video game, it's much easier to suspend your

713
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: disbelief about all the stuff you're talking about. You know,

714
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: there's much less detailed, as much less kind of story

715
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: to lay in, and it's much easier to buy in

716
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: a video game context that this is the one doctor

717
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: who can do it, who really can save it.

718
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 4: Super science.

719
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, yeah, of course, why else would they

720
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: sacrifice a girl.

721
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, also as well in the game.

722
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: By the point, like Joel in the game is brutal

723
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: and you feel it, and the stuff with Ellie is

724
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: more like his goodness shining through the cracks of this

725
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: kind of horrible brutality, whereas in the show it we

726
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: all we have rarely seen that Joel, and it's more

727
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: been like we know he existed because of what other

728
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: people tell us. So they're building more empathy, more connection

729
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: between him and Ellie, and like, especially in this finale,

730
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: the opening, they really show you like all he wants

731
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: is for her to be happy, whether it's a funny food,

732
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 3: the giraffe, You feel so much.

733
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: More love there.

734
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: In the game, It's kind of hard to overstate how

735
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 3: shocking it feels when you realize that the hero's journey

736
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 3: you've been on is actually turning into something completely twisted

737
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: and becomes this idea of like the one of the

738
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: like the good of the many over the good of

739
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 3: the few, or in this case, the one, and that

740
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: moral weight is so much heavier. I feel like here

741
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: it feels a lot more like Dodgy, like Exploita if

742
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 3: science and you I think, I mean, I've been kind

743
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: of blown away to see how people in our discord,

744
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: especially who'd never played the game, they're just all on

745
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: Joel's side.

746
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: I think it's much.

747
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 4: I think it's something.

748
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: That a conversation in the game, I feel like that

749
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 3: is one of the overarching conversation points, is like that choice,

750
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 3: whereas in the show you're kind of just like, it's bleak,

751
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: but he was probably right.

752
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: I think in the game you can say flat out

753
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: Jewel is a bad guy. Yeah, like because the.

754
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: Fact guy who did something that you can understand through

755
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: his eyes and his lens.

756
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: But still like the ramification made the worst choice, you know,

757
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: because again, you're playing a video game. What is the

758
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: goal of many videos, like the goal of saving the world,

759
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: when you're playing a video game seems absolutely what is normal.

760
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 4: That is harrahs Jenny's what we expect. We know where

761
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 4: he's going.

762
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: In a video game, you are the character, the agencies.

763
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: The characters agency is your agency.

764
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: You make the choice, You're complicit in everything they do.

765
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: And so part of the real shock of the ending

766
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: of the game version of the Last of Us is

767
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: that you are expecting, as in many video games, that

768
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: you will be given the choice and then that choice

769
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: is taken from you. That's Joel's journey in the final and.

770
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: You have to do it.

771
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: But Joel made the decision to do that, and so

772
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: part of it is that real, real shock of oh

773
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: my god, like my choice has been taken from me.

774
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: In a medium that is all about the player making

775
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: the decisions. Here in the show, it's absolutely reasonable to say,

776
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: wait a second, we're getting Alie out of here.

777
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: Why the rush? Uh?

778
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: Why are we putting the one example of immunity under

779
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: under the knife into a procedure that will kill her?

780
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: Why are we lying?

781
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: If you are so believe, if you believe in it

782
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: so much and you think you've got you can say

783
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 3: that it's definitely gonna work.

784
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you tell her?

785
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 3: Why is it a rush? Why didn't you just spend

786
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: a cup? Oh, you guys have been traveling for a

787
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. We want to make sure you're healthy.

788
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: You've eat and food, You're ready for this surgery, like

789
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: you'll hydrate it.

790
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 4: Little things. It's it seems very.

791
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: Sauce in a way that in the game, the whole

792
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 3: world of the game is so bleef and so lost

793
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 3: minute and so and so close to the edge, and then.

794
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: You start adding up the litany of incompetence by the

795
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: Fireflies good you know from from the very first episode

796
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 2: when they all got killed during the dead Battery deal,

797
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: and the fact that like she Marlene had to have

798
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: Joel take Ellie across country because like she didn't all

799
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 2: her peak people were.

800
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: Fucking day how to do it?

801
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: Like you let some random smuggler that's yours, that's your

802
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: best option, this guy who's literally like your cargo.

803
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 5: And then you get to the and then you get

804
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 5: to the hospital.

805
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: All the things you didn't tell him why she was

806
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: going across country again another lie.

807
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: And then you get to the hospital and all the

808
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: things we've seen you get to the doctor. Now this

809
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: is a little bit of a side point, but the

810
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: doctor looked to be let's call him thirty five thirty ish.

811
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: That means that doctor got his medical degree at Post

812
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: Apocalypse University medical school. Like do you trust this firefly

813
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: doctor exactly?

814
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: And also like we don't really know what the state

815
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: of the medical care is. Like another thing that I've

816
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: seen a lot of people talking about that I've seen

817
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: really great convos, but especially in our.

818
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: Discord, is like people have brain surgery all.

819
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: The time, Like in real life, they have brain surgery,

820
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: they survive. You can have chiol surgery, you can have

821
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: brain surgery where it actually kind of your brain. There

822
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: is no conversation here about what kind of surgery is.

823
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: They just have my guy with a scalpel about to

824
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: chop open Ellie's brain like he's doctor Frankenstein, Like, let's

825
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: have a conversation.

826
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Firefly is just like I had a hammer

827
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: and a chisel.

828
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. We go yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

829
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 4: Such a me and then just take what I need

830
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 4: out and say no, that's not gonna work.

831
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: And so when you look at what a joke really

832
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: a joke of a revolutionary organization of fireflies are, I

833
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: think it absolutely makes a lot of sense. Yeah, but

834
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: get her out of there and we can try again, Like,

835
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: if she wants to try and save the world, let's

836
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: do it in a much less impactful way again, blood tests,

837
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 2: let's try and grow specimens.

838
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 4: Let's give her a choice.

839
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: And then I'm sure I feel like the Ellie that

840
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: we know, the way they've seated her choices, her conversations,

841
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: the things that she has said and shown. If she

842
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: was given a choice, and it was like, you have

843
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: to live in the hospital for six months. We're taking

844
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: your blood every day, We're doing all these different tests

845
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: we're gonna and maybe the eventual outcome is you have

846
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 3: to give your life to do this, but we want

847
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 3: to make sure it's gonna work because you're the last hope.

848
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: You know, maybe we can see if other people's blood

849
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: similar to you, or maybe there are different kinds of immunities.

850
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 6: Live till she's like twenty, Yeah, let her live in

851
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 6: a natural life and then we try, you know, she's

852
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 6: a senior sit That was the other thing was like

853
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 6: how hard would it have been to just have a

854
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 6: conversation between her Joel, Marlene whoever and be like, so

855
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 6: this is what we need to do.

856
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 3: What's the way that we can do this that actually

857
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: works that doesn't end with Joel killing us all, which is,

858
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: to be honest to every single person who was watching,

859
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: an obvious choice.

860
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 4: Marlene, you should have known that, Like this is like Wolverine, like.

861
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 3: You're just gonna quit, You're gonna take Rogue away, and

862
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: then Wolverine's just gonna be like that that's fine, Like

863
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: it's not gonna happen.

864
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 4: You're gonna all die bazaka.

865
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: Now Joel's lie I think still lands with a tremendous

866
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: punch at the end.

867
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: That's that's I think is the big hardcore twist that

868
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: they switch out here. It's not the choice, because the

869
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: choice it feels more organic. It's the lie and the

870
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: double lie.

871
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: I think you after all that's happened, I think just

872
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: from a from a personal safety sense, the Fireflies are

873
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 2: not done as an organization. They're still They're gonna wonder

874
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: what happened.

875
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: Someone's gonna go to the you.

876
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: Left two people alive, like they're they're gonna come looking

877
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: for her.

878
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: You have to tell her.

879
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: You have to level with her, like, okay, if you

880
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: want to lie about the oh, all the other rad

881
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: the other no, but all the other like people that

882
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: are immune and still usually at least have to say

883
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 2: they were going to kill.

884
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: You, so I stopped them.

885
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: So I stopped them. And how do you think?

886
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: I like, you have to level with her about that part,

887
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: and you have to tell her about Marlene, and you're

888
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: to tell her all of that, yeah, because I think

889
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: it's just it's her life, it's her it's her future,

890
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: it's her safety.

891
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 4: She has to know this. Yeah, I also think it,

892
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 4: and I get why he lied that.

893
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: I get. Look, there's many reasons, but the truth is,

894
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 3: like I think that the real deepest mistake John made

895
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: is underestimates Ellie. Again, like Marlene underestimated Ellie and didn't

896
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: give her agency. Joel is taking away Ellie's agency, but

897
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: he's also underress making her Ellie Ellie shot somebody to

898
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: save Joel's life. Ellie has killed Riley out of you know,

899
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: a sacrifice way to you know, save her in whatever

900
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 3: way Ellie could.

901
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: Like Ellie is not immune to the realities of this world.

902
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: Ellie's not gonna be happy that you went on a

903
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 3: murderous rampage, and as she said, she has these kind

904
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: of deaths on her conscience. But I think that's like

905
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 3: a in this world and the things that they've been

906
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: through and the things they've seen, that's a like you

907
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 3: have a big blowout argument, you're angry for a few days,

908
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: you sleep in different rooms in Jackson, and then you

909
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: make up like that's just that's just the harsh nature

910
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 3: of this world. This is gonna come back to bite

911
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: him like so fucking badly, especially because he didn't just

912
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: lie when he was leaving, which I think if he'd

913
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: have told her the truth, he could have been like,

914
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: I was freaked out. I didn't want to scare You've

915
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: just woken up, now I'm gone. But you know, like

916
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: instead he swears to her to her face and just

917
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 3: lets the lie continue. And that's obviously gonna be simmering

918
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: under that relationship until you know season two. And I

919
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: think the most interesting thing is gonna be.

920
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 4: Will This show has deeply.

921
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: Expanded on a lot of the stuff that we never

922
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: got to see in the in the game, and I

923
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: wonder if that when we see these seasons that are

924
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: gonna come afterwards, that are gonna adapt part to is

925
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: there gonna be in Rim time? Is this going to

926
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: be like an expansion of that time, the seven year

927
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: jump that we got when the game came out.

928
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 4: I'll be very interested to see how they handle.

929
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: That, because I feel like this lie is gonna end

930
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 3: up being like the original Sin and everything that comes.

931
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: It's not even the killing at this point, Like we.

932
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: Know the killing is the game.

933
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: The killing is going to have a ramification, but I

934
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: feel like between him and Ellie, it's going to be

935
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: that lie.

936
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean the killing was honestly justified. I think, you know,

937
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: in the in the in the moral logic of this

938
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: of this story on this show, in this context, I

939
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: think it's it was right. What final thoughts on the season,

940
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: I think it was heartbreaking, Like it really got me

941
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: seeing how Anna's life ended, passing that lineage onto Ellie, who,

942
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 2: by the way, like.

943
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: Not to not to make this.

944
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: Another point about how Marlene sucks, but it's like, Marlene promise,

945
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: I'll keep her safe, and then it's what did you do?

946
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: You put her in a fucking federal orphanage and never

947
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: had contact with.

948
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 3: Her, Yeah, and not even that, Like why is Morlene

949
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 3: just never told like you're about to put this girl

950
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: under to kill her? You know, you could have just

951
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: turned around him and like, I know your mom. She

952
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: was like a real badass. I was there when she died,

953
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: Like she really fought for you. She but she like

954
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: she when Ellie. That was the thing that kind of

955
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: blew my mind, and I think sets up this version

956
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: of Marlene to have this more sinister bent, which is

957
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: the first in episode two or episode one, when Ellie

958
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 3: and her are talking and Ellie's like, oh you my

959
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: mom and she's like no, But she also doesn't say

960
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: I knew your mom.

961
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: She doesn't she said anything.

962
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 4: She could have said anything.

963
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 3: And I think that that again plays into these like problems,

964
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: that these choice, these tiny choices that seem small, that

965
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: end up having these huge, like kind of life ending ramifications.

966
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 4: I loved that.

967
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: I loved seeing Ashley Johnson come back the original Ellie

968
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: actor to play Ellie's.

969
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: It was so eerie to me.

970
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: They did a really good job to have the voice

971
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: of Ellie from the game talking to baby Ellie.

972
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

973
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: Show, and I thought.

974
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: The opening was really That opening was so horror movie

975
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: in a way. A lot of the show hasn't been that.

976
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: It's been one of the big things that surprised me

977
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: that I enjoy.

978
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 4: I love horror.

979
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: I love horror TV. I don't think we have enough

980
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: of it. But I think they made the right choice

981
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: to make this more of a drama with a kind

982
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: of it's kind of this post apocalyptic drama with a

983
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: tinge of horror around the edges that sometimes explodes, and

984
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: I think that was the right choice.

985
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: I agree build on the characters because the relationship between

986
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: them is why this whole thing works. Yeah, just a wonderful, heartbreaking,

987
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 2: really moving season of TV. I can't wait for season two.

988
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: Episode three still I say best, if not one of

989
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: the Bachelor episodes of the TV that we'll get this year,

990
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: and I can't wait to see it on every list.

991
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see it break into award shows

992
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: because Dash it is so good.

993
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: Up next, nerd Out.

994
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: Warning.

995
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: This nerd Out contains spoilers for the Last of Us

996
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: Part two game, and more than likely that means that

997
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: it can take spoilers for the Lost of Us Season

998
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: two on HBO that is not out yet, but they're

999
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: gonna make it. In today's Neudout, where you tell us

1000
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: what you love or why, or you share a theory

1001
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: that you're passionate about, which you've been doing more and

1002
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: more often and we love to hear it, Harrison shares

1003
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: a thought and a dream for a potential Lost of

1004
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: Us Part three inspired by our nedout from Rob a

1005
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,479
Speaker 3: few episodes back, which I love because this is now

1006
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: like we are programming the Last of Us Part three

1007
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: story like it's happening here and everyone's ideas are incredible.

1008
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: So Harrison's opinion, and I'm going to summarize, is essentially

1009
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 2: that part three of the Last of Us video game,

1010
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: the third game is going to delve into Ellie as

1011
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 2: a leader.

1012
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: You know.

1013
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: The game is explored the kind of like broken organizational

1014
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: structures of Fedra and also the Fireflies. Harrison's idea is

1015
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: what if Ellie in a in a very hero's journey

1016
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: kind of move, becomes that pivotal figure that rallies people

1017
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: to find a cure and to try and forge a

1018
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: better world.

1019
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: And living up to that.

1020
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: Ideal contained in the Firefly motto when you're lost in

1021
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: the darkness, look for the light. And Harrison, you know,

1022
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 2: as kind of supporting details, points to various moments throughout

1023
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 2: the Last of Us the show that point to Ellie

1024
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: as a leader. You know, I don't think it's great that,

1025
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,959
Speaker 2: you know, one of the main data points is David's

1026
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: David saying, oh, leader, I don't know how much we

1027
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: can trust that, but but I do think that there

1028
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: is something to Ellie as as a real fierce fighting

1029
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: figure who because of the fact that she is immune.

1030
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: If that was ever to become known in a kind

1031
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: of like Neo in the Matrix.

1032
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 4: It's very chosen one would.

1033
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: Just add a level of mystique to her that you

1034
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: would imagine would become almost messianic, Like I could imagine

1035
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 2: if it becomes publicly known that Ellie.

1036
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: Is immune, like people just wanting to reach out and

1037
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: just like exactly so I could see this happening.

1038
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 4: I love I really like this take because so much

1039
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 4: of The Last of Us.

1040
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: The show and us playing the game, and and if you've.

1041
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 4: Played Part two, this is also the same is very bleak.

1042
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: Part two even more so. It's like one of the most.

1043
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: Depressing video games, like fulfilling and satisfying, but incredibly bleak.

1044
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 5: It is very very just like I means, so depressing.

1045
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: People say it as a people.

1046
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: Call it a criticism. It's not a criticism. The game

1047
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: is intentionally.

1048
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not a mistake and absolutely subjectively very very bleak.

1049
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm not not nihilistic in the sense that there's no one.

1050
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 2: It's not nihilistic, I mean value, but it is bleak.

1051
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: It's and I like something.

1052
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: Harrison said was like he sees uh the Last of

1053
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 3: Us Part two the game as basically like Empire strikes back.

1054
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: It's like your characters at the lowest point and then

1055
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: like if you look at the trilogy, format. That means

1056
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: your third one could have hope, it could present something different.

1057
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 4: I would love to see Ellie get to go on a.

1058
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: Hero's journey of her own that is like not defined

1059
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: by violence or or somebody trying to use or exploit her,

1060
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: or revenge or all those themes that we've seen. I

1061
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: think that could be really cool. There's definitely as you

1062
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: were saying it, there's definitely like a hunk. You could

1063
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: see a Hunger Games esque mocking j style, Like she

1064
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: is this radical revolutionary leader who's also a symbol. Also, look,

1065
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: Ellie is smart. When we see Ellie in part two,

1066
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 3: you're talking about an adult. When you see in part three,

1067
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: she's going.

1068
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: To be grizzled. Yeah, hardened adults.

1069
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: So when you see I mean, imagine if Ellie was

1070
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: publicly immune. Imagine if the reason she felt safe to

1071
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: do that is because she had a hospital and labs

1072
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: that were just constantly synthesizing her blood or trying to

1073
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: find a cure via her blood. There's all different ideas

1074
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: and with if she finds out the way that she was,

1075
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 3: you know, made immune, just want to say she has Blades' origin,

1076
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 3: Like can we just say that she's a day like

1077
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 3: this is literally Blades's origin, so I love that.

1078
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think this.

1079
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: Is really cool.

1080
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: I don't think it would need to be some great

1081
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: straying away from the game, because you could still have

1082
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: those moments of bleakness, you still have infected, but you

1083
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 3: can add a more hopeful mission for Ellie and one

1084
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 3: that kind of eschees like the darkness and.

1085
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 4: Violence of her past.

1086
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: I love this idea, and I love it too that

1087
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: it was inspired by another nod oubt that's really cool.

1088
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: I think when you're thinking about like where would this

1089
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 2: story go, I would love to see a way that

1090
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: Abby and Ellie could work together, even if they are

1091
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: obviously there are things between them would never be okay, no,

1092
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: but I think it would be fascinating to watch it

1093
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: if it could work.

1094
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 3: I also think that's like a to me, that is

1095
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 3: like a fan. You are going to have fans just

1096
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Speaker 3: like watching There's gonna be fans who hate it, there's

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Speaker 3: going to be fans who love it. But that is

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Speaker 3: I'm sure the nature of a million fan fix about

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Speaker 3: this already. But I love this idea that for the

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Speaker 3: by this horrific situation and who were enemies could come

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Speaker 3: that is so interesting.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Harrison. If you have theories or passions you want

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Speaker 2: to share, hit usup at x ray at crokery dot com.

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Speaker 2: Instructions as always in the show notes, Well, that's it

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Speaker 2: for us, Rosy, and that's it for the Last of

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Speaker 2: Us Season one.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. Congrats to us for finishing the Last

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Speaker 3: Congrats to you if you're listening for finishing anything the

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Speaker 3: plug um you can find me, Rosie Marks wrote at

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Speaker 3: Instagram and letterbox. I wrote about every single episode of

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Speaker 3: the Last of Us, including the final episodes.

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Speaker 4: Where I wrote a couple of pieces. They're all igs.

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Speaker 3: I wrote some cool pieces about Polygon, about the new

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Speaker 3: Lutha movie, which is absolutely Benigna's and also I just

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed it very much. Scream six. We will be

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Speaker 4: talking about the more.

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Speaker 2: Catch the next episode on Friday, March seventeenth, for episode

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Speaker 2: three of The Mandalorian. Remember we're bringing you two episodes

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Speaker 2: Thank you. X Ray Vision is a Crooked Media production.

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Speaker 2: The show is produced by Chris Lord and Saw Rubin.

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Speaker 2: The show is executive produced by myself and Sandy's Rhard

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Speaker 2: are editing and sound designers by Facillis Photopoulos, Dilon Villanueva

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Speaker 2: handle social media. Thank you Brian Veasquez for the music.

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Speaker 7: See you next time, Hey Mike, It's for Marina. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I just want to talk about the Fireflies today, Mike.

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Speaker 7: You know, I've been a Firefly supporter for twenty years,

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Speaker 7: ever since the fall, I've been really a fan of

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Speaker 7: what they're doing. You know, I got the firefly shirt,

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Speaker 7: I got the sticker, I got the stencil. But I

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Speaker 7: think if you look at it fairly, Mike, and it's

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Speaker 7: taken a long time for me to open my eyes

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Speaker 7: to this, if you really look at it, Mike, the

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Speaker 7: one thing that they can do is spray paint that

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Speaker 7: symbol all over the place. That's the only thing they do. Good, Mike.

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Speaker 7: They failed at everything they can.

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Speaker 2: Overthrow Fedra gun is ruined q z's across the country.

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Speaker 2: And then Marline when she had it in the bag,

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Speaker 2: she fumbled the bag.

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Speaker 7: Mike. I'm not gonna go into it. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 7: believe it a point, Mike, but she ruined it, Okay, Mike,

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Speaker 7: bad plan all around. She's bad at organizing. The Fireflies

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Speaker 7: were not prepared for what they had to do. And

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Speaker 7: not only that, but you know, I'm sad to say

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Speaker 7: I supported them when they in doctrinate kids. They put

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Speaker 7: guns in kids' hands and they don't train them up

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Speaker 7: and have them ready to do what they gotta do. Mike,

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Speaker 7: I'll take my ants off the air. Thank you.