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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. It's

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Speaker 1: at that time of year again. Uh, and by that time,

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Speaker 1: I mean it is the holidays. We're knee deep, perhaps

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Speaker 1: waist deep in the holidays, and there's no going back.

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Speaker 1: We might as well just push forward at this point,

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Speaker 1: like it's just as much just as much effort to

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Speaker 1: keep going as it would be to turn back. So

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Speaker 1: once more, we have a holiday episode for you. It's

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Speaker 1: actually going to be our third installment in our Holiday

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Speaker 1: Invention series, where we more or less give the invention

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Speaker 1: treatment to various holiday decorations, traditions, and toys. This year

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Speaker 1: we're going to be looking in earnest at eggnog. Is

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Speaker 1: eggnog an invention? Sure, we can stretch the definition. I

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Speaker 1: think that's okay. I think so. I mean, we did

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Speaker 1: an invention, a full blown invention episode about the my Tie,

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Speaker 1: which we you know, we had Jeff Beach Bumbarrion as

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Speaker 1: a guest talk about that eggnogg is not something that

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Speaker 1: occurs naturally in the world. It must be made at

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Speaker 1: some point there had to be a first or something

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Speaker 1: like a first, and you know, we'll get into that

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Speaker 1: and and it's one of those things that has a

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Speaker 1: number of different customs and in cultural details surrounding it. Now, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what your relationship with eggnog happens to be,

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Speaker 1: because I don't know that we've ever really spoken about this.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we've had eggnog together before. Uh, not

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Speaker 1: that I recall, But my family's general approach is originally

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Speaker 1: by a carton of almond nogg each year, largely for

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Speaker 1: our son because he gets super into it. And if

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Speaker 1: I have a chance to visit a like an upscale

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Speaker 1: um like cocktail place or a nice restaurant, then then

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Speaker 1: I will jump at the opportunity to order an egg

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Speaker 1: nogg if they have one on the menu. Um. In

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Speaker 1: the past, I've made it down to New Orleans for

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Speaker 1: the start of beach Bumberries Sippins Santa festivities at beach

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Speaker 1: Bumberry's latitude twenty nine. They also have pop ups all

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Speaker 1: over the place, and uh, they'll generally have at least

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Speaker 1: one holiday tiky beverage on there that is at least

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Speaker 1: eggnog esque in form I'm picturing piles of crushed or

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Speaker 1: pellet ice with kind of a frothy, creamy uh grime

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Speaker 1: about them, and some nutmegs sprinkled over top. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: the nutmeg, as we'll discuss is, is pretty essential. So

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Speaker 1: I didn't make it down there this year, but I

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Speaker 1: did make it over to a tiki bar in um

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Speaker 1: in our area, Decatur's s Os Tke Bar, and I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed a frozen take on the classic eggnog. Um. It's

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Speaker 1: generally a rich drink, though, so once twice three times

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Speaker 1: per year max. That's generally enough for me. Now. Before

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Speaker 1: we came in here, though, I mentioned to my wife

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Speaker 1: that I was about to record the eggnog episode, and

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Speaker 1: she was kind enough to provide me with an entire

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Speaker 1: glass of egg nog here for me to consume during

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Speaker 1: this episode. Um, the listeners at home, you'll have to

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Speaker 1: take my word for it, Joe. I think you can

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Speaker 1: see it on the video feed here. Wait, is this

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Speaker 1: is this full booze eggnog? Or well you you might

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Speaker 1: well presume that, but I couldn't possibly comment. Yes, creamy, rich,

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Speaker 1: hint of nutmeg, beautiful. I have no eggnog in the house.

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Speaker 1: A cute, cute, Joe Pesci and Home Alone saying eggnog,

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Speaker 1: eggnog dressed as a cop like eggnog is the most

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Speaker 1: disgusting substance on earth. And you know what, as a child,

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Speaker 1: I that that was pretty much where my head was at.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, Joe Pesci and Home Alone is correct.

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Speaker 1: I found the idea revolting, not just revolting, I think

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Speaker 1: I I think I probably found it borderline nauseating to

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Speaker 1: think of a drink made out of eggs. Something changed

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Speaker 1: over the years. Now I find it quite delightful. So

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Speaker 1: it was the eggs that threw you off? Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna drink eggs? I don't know. So I think about eggs.

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Speaker 1: There's something that, you know, I liked eggs scrambled like

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Speaker 1: that I'm thinking of like a thick, uh yellow curd

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Speaker 1: like substance, and and always in savory context. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know obviously now that eggs are used in all

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Speaker 1: not how I thought about them when I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: So the idea of drinking a sweet egg based beverage

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Speaker 1: was absolutely uh vile to my brain. I can understand that.

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Speaker 1: some of the archaic spellings of eggnog that I've encountered

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Speaker 1: researching this episode. Oftentimes the way we encounter it now

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Speaker 1: good branding. Yes, now, before we proceed, I guess we

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Speaker 1: should go ahead and drive home exactly what egg nog is.

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Speaker 1: We've alluded to it a little bit already, but technically

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Speaker 1: it's a milk egg drink or a milk egg punch.

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Speaker 1: And we've of course reached the point as a as

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Speaker 1: a civilization where you, sir, you can have something that

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Speaker 1: is identifiable as a noog without the presence of egg

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Speaker 1: or dairy. But historically, this is the realm from which

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Speaker 1: this beverage arises. Right, So you're you you mentioned almond nogg.

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Speaker 1: though I guess it's even more like some people get

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Speaker 1: more to the point, I guess something like a soy

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Speaker 1: eggs nor dairy, and so it's even further removed. But

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Speaker 1: a holiday tradition. Now, one of the sources I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: excellent book Imbibe exclamation Point by David Wandridge, which is

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Speaker 1: a text that we've referenced in the show in the past.

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Speaker 1: It is one of, if not the best books you

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Speaker 1: This is a great book. It cites, among many others,

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Speaker 1: the legendary professor Jerry Thomas who lived eighteen thirty five,

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Speaker 1: the New Orleans bartender who wrote the Seminal Bartender's Guide

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Speaker 1: and helped popularize cocktail drinking in general. Um, I think

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Speaker 1: we're going too more depth on this. In an older

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Speaker 1: that would make sense, and I know, Um, Jerry Thomas

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Speaker 1: includes a recipe from Jerry Thomas. Jerry Thomas would have,

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Speaker 1: States viewed it as one of the novelties Americans were

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Speaker 1: it was a drink of comfortable middle age with a wide,

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Speaker 1: Anglians call strong beer nog? Z More identifies a couple

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Speaker 1: for head for your head. But before that noggen meant

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Speaker 1: cheesy layer at the top. So this is like, it's

425
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: like a curdled milk drink that has that has cheesy,

426
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: floaty solid bits on the top you want to get

427
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: with a spoon. Yes. Um. The way that the Brayman

428
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: describes it is quote both a drink and a dessert

429
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: with a layer of thick sweet gruel floating above the liquid. Okay,

430
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: so okay. On one hand, I realized that could potentially

431
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: be interpreted as gross, But on the other hand, I

432
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: think it's not that different from a lot of sort

433
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: of fropthy dessert things we have today. I think about

434
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: certain milkshakes, certain smoothies, uh, certainly the especially the older

435
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 1: school cappuccinos where the foam cap top was maybe a

436
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: little firmer and you might have to go at that

437
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: with a spoon as opposed to drinking it. So I

438
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: kind of reject the idea that that this uh, you know,

439
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 1: potential hygiene issues aside of of late medieval ages. I

440
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: don't think this is necessarily that gross of an idea

441
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: that you could have some sort of like a thick

442
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: portion on the top of your beverage that requires a spoon.

443
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: It's just like a little different to imagine this bizarre

444
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: container for its um consumption. Uh. Nowadays, I do want

445
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: to point out we do have things like the spoon straw,

446
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: which is like a plastic usually like a plastic straw

447
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: and spoon combined so that you can do both. They

448
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: did not have this technology in the late medieval period

449
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: to my knowledge. Therefore they had to use a posset. Well,

450
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, it is the same principle as a straw,

451
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: which I don't find unusual. But I have to say

452
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: it is funny to imagine somebody like drinking out of

453
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: the stem of a tea kettle. Yeah. Yeah, it does

454
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: seem like you might burn your mouth with this. It's

455
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: recorded recipes. Uh, you know, many of these came came later.

456
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 1: I believe they called if you're going to fill the pacet,

457
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: it would call for a great deal of egg and cream.

458
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: They might also call for beer, sugar, and also thickening

459
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,239
Speaker 1: agents such as bread, biscuits, oatmeal, and almond paste. In

460
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: some cases, the upper portions are said to take on

461
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: a cheese equality, which actually brings to mind modern cheese

462
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: milk tea drinks, which are quite delightful if if you

463
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: haven't had one, I know this is something that can

464
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: be kind of hard to imagine. Why should my milk

465
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: tea taste like cheese? Well, it's it's not. It's not

466
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: what you're imagining. If you're imagining something that that turns

467
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: your stomach. It's not like cheddar cheese on the top

468
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: of your tea. It's something sweetier and creamier, but with

469
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: that that slight cheesy twist to it, not like provolone

470
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: right right now. I should also mention there there are

471
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: more contemporary posset dishes, such as the oftensive recipes for

472
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: something called an than paset, but this seems somewhat more

473
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: refined compared to what is described here. This is not

474
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: something you drink out of a strange tea kettle. It's

475
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: something you spoon out of a dish. But is it eggnog? Well,

476
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: in many ways, if not most ways, no, But it

477
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: also sounds like the sort of thing that if you

478
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: were a time traveler from an eggnog having culture and

479
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: you went back to the late medieval ages and you're like,

480
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: where's my egg nog and people are like, what are

481
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: you talking about? You might discover the pacet and be like, oh,

482
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: well this will work, this will do. Now my holiday

483
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: is complete. Yeah, it's a liquid e egg and milk

484
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: or egg and cream type thing, right. And I think

485
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: it's not crazy to imagine that this sort of precedent

486
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: for this sort of drink and the sort of taste

487
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: sensations that it brings about, that this could feed into

488
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: the very American traditions that would, according to Thomas, bring

489
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: about the American eggnog. So I assume after we get

490
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: out of this, uh, this early period where where mentions

491
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: are scarce and don't really explain much about eggnog except

492
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: like the Irish guy who's clearly not familiar with it,

493
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: we we get into a period where there is more

494
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: extensive writing on eggnog, maybe like in actual cookery manuals. Yeah. Yeah,

495
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot more material once you reach a certain point. Uh.

496
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: And Wonder has a whole chapter on egg drinks in

497
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: his book I Vibe Um. As he writes it, their

498
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: quote neither punches nor part of the lineage of cocktails.

499
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: And this is also somewhat how Jerry Thomas and the

500
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: people of his day would have classified them. One of

501
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: the things that really amazed me about all this, though,

502
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: is that the Wandridge points out that egg drinks were

503
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: once far more common and kind of a daily affair,

504
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: but that few survive today. Uh. This kind of comes

505
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: back to your example earlier about eggnog for breakfast, why

506
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: not perfect, keep the fog away, etcetera. Uh Now, now

507
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: I should point out this is the two thousand seven books,

508
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure if we've seen anything in the

509
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: way of a resurgence of egg drinks. It might be

510
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: the case, though, you know, given the spirit of cocktail

511
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: making and it's tend to to re explore older fashions

512
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: and even remake them with modern twists, I don't feel

513
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: like it's tremendously uncommon to find at least a single

514
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: egg drink on a fancy cocktail menu, though to be sure,

515
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: you probably won't find them on just random restaurant cocktail menus.

516
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if Chili's offers an egg drink.

517
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, what are the standard egg drinks

518
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: other Well, I guess they're like um drinks I don't

519
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: usually get, but like, are there like sours and phizzes

520
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: and stuff that have that have egg whites in them. Yeah,

521
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: I Wondering points out that the major survivors include the

522
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: nineteenth century Tom and Jerry drink. This would be uh

523
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: not getting into the proportions, but it's like sugar, eggs rum, cinnamon, clothes,

524
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: all spice. There's the sherry flip, which is basically egg,

525
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: sugar and sherry, and he discusses his elsewhere in the book.

526
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: But of course there's the Ramos gin Is, which is

527
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: pretty famous New Orleans drink that contains gin, simple syrup,

528
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: lemon juice, lime juice, egg white, heavy cream, orange flower

529
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: water in club soda. It's one that famously requires a

530
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: great deal of shaking. Um, you may you may receive

531
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: a dirty look from the bartender when you order it

532
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: because of all the shaking it's going to require. Sometimes

533
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: they were to pass it off to another bartender to

534
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: continue shake shaking it. But it is also a delightful drink.

535
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: But yeah it. Wonderage points out though that that that

536
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: even though we only have so many egg drinks that

537
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: kind of survived, there was this time where where egg

538
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: based drinks, egg egg based alcoholic drinks were consumed on

539
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: pretty much a daily basis, and we're as popular as

540
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: eggnog drinks are during the holiday year round. So just imagine,

541
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: imagine a world in which eggnog is stocked at the

542
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: grocery store year round to meet people's demand for it,

543
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: and everybody's having it boozed up. Not that they bought

544
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: it at the grocery store, they made it, right, You

545
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: get my point. That's that sounds like a magical time,

546
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: a very rich, rich time. Yeah, But as Paul Clark

547
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: points out in the Imbibe magazine article, elements egg cocktails,

548
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: changing tastes and salmonella scares pretty much chased raw eggs

549
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: out of the bar. And this, this would be kind

550
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: of this would be the reason that only so many

551
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: egg drinks kind of survived this period of time in which,

552
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: on one hand, yet changing taste. You can imagine, perhaps

553
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, there are new fads and cocktails, new ingredients

554
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: are more readily available for cocktails, and then there's this

555
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: whole issue of salmonella. Salmonella concerns, of course, remain relevant

556
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: to this day, and we'll come back to those in

557
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: just a few minutes. Now. Wonder it also points out

558
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: there was a great deal variation when it came to

559
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: egg nog recipes, which I imagine is going to be

560
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: the case with any popular drink, even if the recipe

561
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: isn't secret. Uh. See the Invention episode we did about

562
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: the my Tie for examples of this. On both counts.

563
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: If the recipe is secret, people are going to try

564
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: and recreate it. And even if the secret is if

565
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: if there's no secret, if the recipe is well known,

566
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna end up having deviations anyway. For instance, anywhere

567
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: you go today the my Tai recipe, there's no telling

568
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: what a restaurant will actually serve you if you order

569
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: my Tai, even though um, the the the original recipe

570
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: is very well known at this point, or it's it's

571
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: very easily obtained if you have a desire to seek

572
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: it out. And uh, but these regional differences in egg nog,

573
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: this would this would really make people emotional. Wondrid Show

574
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: points that this account where there's a judge who encountered

575
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: egg nog and an inn and it didn't have whiskey

576
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: enough in it, and therefore there was this huge altercation.

577
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean again, going back to stories about ends,

578
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: you don't say what time of day this is, but

579
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: this eggnog might have been his morning eggnog, which sets

580
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: the tone for the entire day. It's like, you know,

581
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: if you don't get your coffee right in the morning,

582
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: that's bad news. Yeah. If I don't get my my

583
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: heavily alcoholic egg nog in the morning, I'm just no,

584
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm no good now. Sometimes those regional differences, though, are

585
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: going to be entirely based on what is available to you.

586
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: And a great example of this is the Texian version

587
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: of eggnog includes the recipe in the book It is

588
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: um it stems. It stems from General Thomas Green of

589
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: the Army of the Texas Republic from eighteen forty three.

590
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: The recipe serves about a hundred and sixty. It calls

591
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: for seven gallons of mescal, seven gallons of donkey milk,

592
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: thirty dozen eggs, and a large loaf of sugar. I

593
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: love that sugar used to come in loaves. Yeah, if

594
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: you're making egg nog for hundred and sixty and a

595
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: number of these recipes do call for large uh vats

596
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: of eggnog, but this this is quite a lot. I

597
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: mean seven gallons of mescal, seven gallons of donkey milk.

598
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: I've never tasted donkey milk. I don't even know what

599
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: that would be like. Again to the two thousand seven book,

600
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: but one Bridge mentioned that donkey milk was becoming popular

601
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: at the time in Europe due to um this supposedly

602
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: it had some health advantages to it. I don't know

603
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: if that's true. I don't know if it's still popular

604
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: as an alternative milk. I don't think I've seen it

605
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: in myself in health food stores. But then again, I'm

606
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: not really in the market for donkey milk anyway. What

607
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: one writch roughly translates the recipe for modern drinkers in

608
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: that book. Um. He of course says you can use

609
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: cow milk instead of donkey milk, and he also recommends

610
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: grating a little chocolate on top. Mm hmm. So. Jerry

611
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: Thomas apparently chronicled six different eggnog recipes, and one Rich

612
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: includes recipes for three of them in his book. Roughly speaking,

613
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: these are the contents of of these three that he shares.

614
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: There's Baltimore eggnog, eggs sugar, nutmeg, brandy or rum wine,

615
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: egg whites and milk. There's eggnog individual which calls for sugar,

616
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: cold water, egg kognac, Santa Cruz, rum, and milk. And

617
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: then there's General Harrison zag nog. This this is ninth

618
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: American President William Henry Harrison, and this was said to

619
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: be one of his favorites. Um it called for eggs, sugar,

620
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: hard cider, and lumps of ice. Important to note here

621
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: that cider drinking was part of his brand. His whole

622
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: image that he tried to put out was like, I

623
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not really at home in this whole Washington environment.

624
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: I just want to sit on the porch and drink

625
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: some hard cider. Won't you have some of my hard

626
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: cider based eggnog and vote for me? Yeah? That was

627
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: him saying like, I'm just a you know, a hard

628
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: working frontiersman. I'm not one of these elites. Yeah, but

629
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I I appreciate hard cider,

630
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: but this sounds horrific. I don't think I would I

631
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: would want any part of this, So General Harrison, no,

632
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: thank you. General Harrison also died about some like thirty

633
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: days into his first presidential term. Uh yeah, he's the

634
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: one who he didn't really make it very far. And

635
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: their speculation about why he died, but one of them

636
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Speaker 1: is that he may have succumbed to the fact that

637
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Speaker 1: um that the water supply at the White House at

638
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: the time was heavily contaminated with raw sewage. Huh interesting.

639
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: I had a whole tangent for this episode about twelve

640
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: years President Zachary Taylor, who fell ill with a fatal

641
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: illness on July eighteen fifty after a d c DC

642
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: fundraiser uh that he attended where he quote drank freely

643
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: of iced water and chilled milk. According to U biographer

644
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: kay Jack Bauer in the book Zachary Taylor, Soldier, Planters,

645
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: Statesman of the Old Southwest. UM, So i've i've I've

646
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: seen this described as copious amounts of cherries and iced milk.

647
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: Apparently he he preferred drinking chilled milk. That was his thing.

648
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: That was the hardest drink that Zachary Taylor was known

649
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: to imbibe himself. But I cut most of this out

650
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 1: because he wasn't drinking um, as far as I can tell,

651
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: a cherry chilled milk concoction. It was just chilled milk

652
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: and then also a lot of cherries and probably plenty

653
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: of raw sewage. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Is

654
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: it time for salmonella? Oh yeah, that's a great transition,

655
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: so eggs and salmonella. Salmonella remains probably the main reason

656
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: people have reservations about raw egg based food and drinks today. Uh.

657
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: Salmonella is a genus of bacteria named not after salmon

658
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: the fish, but after an American veterinarian named Daniel Elmer

659
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: Salmon that it was not discovered by him. It was

660
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: named after him basically because a species of Salmonella was

661
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: discovered by an assistant in a lab who worked for Salmon.

662
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: The assistants name was Theobald Smith, but of course the

663
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: boss gets all the glory. Some zero types of salmonella

664
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Speaker 1: are responsible for really serious and historically significant diseases such

665
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: as typhoid fever, but multiple types of salmonella will result

666
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: in infections of the intestinal tract. So salmonilla infection or

667
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: salmon ellosis, is one of the most common food born illnesses,

668
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: often characterized by fever, diarrhea, severe stomach cramps, nausea, vomiting,

669
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: and headache. And because salmonilla is often transmitted through the

670
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: fecal oral route, the risk of contracting it is higher

671
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: when people don't have access to clean drinking water and

672
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: effective sewage disposal. Though, salmon Ala can also be transmitted

673
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: between animals and humans, so animal vectors, such as eggs

674
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: from infected chickens, can be a major source of salmon

675
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: ellosis in humans as well. Now, on the other hand,

676
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: one thing to remember is that most eggs are fine.

677
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: Most eggs are not infected with salmonilla. I don't know

678
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: what the exact proportion is, but one figure I saw

679
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: kicking around from the two thousands was a C d

680
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: C estimate that roughly one in every twenty thousand chicken

681
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: eggs in the United States was contaminated. That number may

682
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: be different today. If so, it's probably somewhat lower than that.

683
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I'm not saying you should go

684
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Speaker 1: about eating raw eggs. There is definitely risk there, but

685
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: also like, the odds are pretty low that any given

686
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: egg is going to make you sick. Also, eggs are

687
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: fine if you cook them to the proper temperature for

688
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: the proper time. A hundred and sixty degrees fahrenheit will

689
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: kill just about anything instantly. Also, you know, even lower

690
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: temperatures if held for a sufficient amount of time will

691
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: be enough to UH, to basically sterilize eggs. This is,

692
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: you can look up charts on the amount of time

693
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: eggs need to spend at a certain temperature in order

694
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Speaker 1: to make them safe. However, eggnog is traditionally not made

695
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: with eggs that are cooked at all, but rather with

696
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Speaker 1: raw ones. So is there any risk? Well, yes, obviously

697
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: if you are just drinking raw eggs straight up, there

698
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: is some risk of salmonella infection. UH. One example of this,

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00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean it happens all the time, but one example,

700
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Speaker 1: one case study I dug up with an interesting secondary finding.

701
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: This is a study published in The Lancet in nineteen

702
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: seventy five by Steer at All called person to person

703
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: spread of Salmonella typha murrium after a after a hospital

704
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: common source outbreak. So the abstract reads in September nineteen

705
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: seventy three, diarrhea caused by Salmonella typhemurrium developed in thirty

706
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: two people in a main hospital. Both epidemiological and microbiological

707
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: evidence indicated that raw egg beaten in milk for eggnog

708
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: was responsible for the infection. However, six patients and eight

709
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: employees had not had eggnog and their illness developed after

710
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: the source of infection had been recognized and removed. Most

711
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: of these people had had direct contact with an infected

712
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: patient and presumably acquired the infection by person to person spread.

713
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: It's concluded that person to person spread of salmonella typhon

714
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: miriam can occur in hospitals and canby a hazard to

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Speaker 1: patients and staff. So initially a bunch of people in

716
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Speaker 1: a hospital got salmonella from drinking eggnog, but then those

717
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: people gave secondary infections to others who didn't even touch

718
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: the knog. Also, I wanted to share another medical journal

719
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: article I found just because I thought it was very weird.

720
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Speaker 1: This is called Eyelid Abscess in an Eggnog Drinker by

721
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Speaker 1: Marcus and Wolverson, published in the British Medical Journal nine nine.

722
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Speaker 1: Short story is a seventy two year old man showed

723
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Speaker 1: up the hospital in England with a huge abscess swelling

724
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: on his left upper eyelid, which they eventually determined had

725
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: spread to an infection of the bone in his forehead

726
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: the area the bone above where his eye was so

727
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: he was put under general anesthesia and the abscess was drained.

728
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: They did a culture of the plus and it revealed

729
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: the presence of a type of salmonella. They eventually did

730
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: another procedure to take care of the swelling in the

731
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: bones of the face, and he eventually made a full recovery.

732
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: The man had no gastro intestinal symptoms, and the authors

733
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: say that there had been recent cases of salmonella infection

734
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: related to eggs, So they asked him about his diet,

735
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: and here I'm going to read from the case report.

736
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Speaker 1: His diet consisted of West Indian and European food, but

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00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: he said that he cooked all eggs well. When he

738
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: was seen in the outpatient department, he was specifically asked

739
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: if he drank eggnog, and he then admitted drinking a frequently,

740
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: using a recipe of raw eggs, brandy, sugar, milk, and

741
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: vanilla essence. Now, the authors say they could find no

742
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: previous evidence of this particular type of salmonella causing an

743
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: eyelid abscess, but that there are other known cases of

744
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: this bacterial infection uh spreading from a gut infection originally

745
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: to a secondary infection elsewhere in the body, such as

746
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: in the bones, especially the long bones, especially in patients

747
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: with underlying medical conditions, and in patients over seventy years

748
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: of age. Uh. And finally, the author's right quote. From

749
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty six, the proportion of

750
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Speaker 1: salmonella infections caused by salmonella and then they're talking about

751
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: a specific type here, Salmonella in pteroditis rose from eleven

752
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: percent to twenty eight percent. This rise was due mainly

753
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: to a rise in phage type four infections. Transmission of

754
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: this phage type has been increasingly associated with poultry, and

755
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: it is now known to be transmitted in eggs. Egg

756
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: Borne Salmonilla in pteroditis is destroyed by thorough cooking the

757
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: raw egg, and the eggnog may have been the vehicle

758
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: of infection. Unless specifically asked for, a history of eggnog

759
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: drinking may not emerge on dietary questioning. But okay, now,

760
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people out there wondering, Wait

761
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: a minute, Okay, obviously, you know you mix up a

762
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: bunch of raw eggs and you just drink that, that

763
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: definitely is putting you at risk. But if you put

764
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: alcohol in the eggnog, surely that would be safe. Right?

765
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: Doesn't alcohol kill germs? Yeah? And we're talking a lot

766
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: of alcohol, and some of these recipes now frustrating Lee.

767
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: I have not been able to put together a very

768
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: clear answer on the exact relationship between alcohol content and

769
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: raw egg safety. Instead, I've sort of assembled some different

770
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: inflicting data points. But I'll share a few of the

771
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: results I came across. So one thing I found is

772
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: a study in the International Journal of Food Microbiology published

773
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: in nineteen nine called survival of pathogenic micro organisms in

774
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: an eggnog like product containing seven percent ethanol. This is

775
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: by not Erman's at all, so this is a lab test.

776
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: They say, let's make some boozy eggnog and uh directly

777
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: inject pathogenic micro organisms in there and see what happens.

778
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: So they say, a liquor consisting of whole egg sacros

779
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: meaning sugar and ethanol of seven was artificially contaminated with

780
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: Salmonella in pteroditis, Salmonilia, typha, miriam, Staphylococcus aureus, three different

781
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: strains Basilus serious, and Listeria. And they say after three

782
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: weeks of incubation at twenty two degrees celsius, twenty two

783
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: degrees celsius is about seventy one degrees fahrenheit. Room temperature,

784
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: the numbers of Salmonella, Staphylococcus aureus and uh end of

785
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: the listeria species they use decreased by more than three

786
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: log based tin units and UH, if I understand correctly,

787
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: I believe that's a ninety nine point nine percent reduction

788
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: in the in the number of bacteria units. There they

789
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: say under such conditions, however, the total number of micro

790
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: organisms increased three log ten units. Then they say at

791
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: four degrees celsius, So I think this would be simulating

792
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: refrigerator temperatures. The decrease of pathogenic microorganisms was much slower,

793
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: and a decrease of three log based ten units was

794
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: observed only after seven weeks of incubation. So this study

795
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: finds eggnog without alcohol incubated at room temperature. Yeah, that's

796
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: you allow populations of salmonilla and staff to explode. But

797
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: in this study, the presence of seven percent straight ethanol

798
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: significantly reduced the amount of Salmonella staff in listeria over

799
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: the course of three weeks at room temperature and over

800
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: the course of seven weeks at fridge temperature. However, other

801
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: micro organisms can grow. I'm pretty sure this is a

802
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: recipe for eggnog that they used is the doctor cushion

803
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: catheter r resopute for eggnog with all of these added diseases.

804
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You can just imagine Christopher Lee drooling over

805
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: it while the Stanton Twins dance. But the the amount

806
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: of alcohol clearly matters. One highly cited informal experiment. This

807
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: was not published in a scientific journal as far as

808
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: I can tell, but it was done and reported on

809
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: by NPR for Science Friday. It was done in the

810
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: late two thousands by microbiologists at the at Rockefeller University

811
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: named Vince Fischetti and Raymond Shuck and it was covered

812
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: on Science Friday. And apparently these researchers used a recipe

813
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: that the staff at the Universe City would make every year,

814
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: which originally traced back to the great American microbiologist Rebecca Lancefield.

815
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,959
Speaker 1: So this is her original eggnog recipe. She had worked

816
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: at Rockfeller University decades earlier. Apparent they're still making her

817
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: eggnog years after she passed away. Uh. And the recipe

818
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: includes raw eggs but also cream, sugar and a lot

819
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: of hard liquor. Uh. The liquors in this version are

820
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: bourbon and rum NPR reported that the alcohol concentration of

821
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: the final drink was about and the way they would

822
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: do it is every year they'd make it before Thanksgiving

823
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: and then enjoy it around Christmas time. So it had

824
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: an incubation incubation period in the refrigerator of about six weeks.

825
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: So for this experiment, the researchers made their usual nog,

826
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: but they deliberately spiked it once again with salmonilla. That

827
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: just you can watch a video of this. They're just

828
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: injecting this orange juice into the eggs. It's disgusting. Um.

829
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: They say. They put in the amount of salmonella you

830
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: would expect from including about somewhere between one and ten

831
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: contaminated eggs, and then they took samples at various stages

832
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: of preparation and incubation to see what grew over the

833
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: course of the next three weeks. So egg plus salmonella

834
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: with no alcohol, that's just it formed a solid mat

835
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Speaker 1: of salmon. Just huge boom, millions of bacteria. Disgusting. You

836
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: can need your spoon in egg plus salmonella plus alcohol

837
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: with the sample taken immediately after mixing give you a

838
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: modest reduction, but still plenty of salmonella growth. This would

839
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: still absolutely make you sick. Egg plus salmonella plus alcohol,

840
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: But one day after mixing, still plenty of salmonella, but

841
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: less than the one taken right after mixing. One week

842
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: later there was noticeably less bacterial growth, but they said,

843
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: still probably enough to make you sick. But then the

844
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: sample from three weeks later there's nothing, no bacterial growth

845
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: at all. So somewhere between one week and three weeks

846
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: this batch went from biohazard to presumably safe. HM though

847
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: I noticed that the Science Friday report made a joke

848
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: about like the researchers themselves are joking about this. They said,

849
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, we we could really commit to our result

850
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: and just drink it, but maybe maybe not, which makes sense, right,

851
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: like why risk it? And that kind of spirit comes

852
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: through in a lot of the other sources I've seen

853
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: talking about whether alcohol will render your eggnog safe, because

854
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: it seems clear there's evidence that at least in some cases,

855
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: even if you got unlucky enough and got a contaminated egg,

856
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: given enough alcohol and enough time, the nog would probably

857
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: be safe. But there are a lot of variables here,

858
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: and so it seems like a bunch of public Health

859
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: and Food say thesources are still cautious. There's still kind

860
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: of cag about giving the green light on this, and

861
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: they default to saying that if you want to be

862
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: sure you're safe, you should use past your ized eggs

863
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: from a carton which have been rendered safe by preheating

864
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: in the facility where they were packaged. Um or they

865
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: also recommend cooking the eggs basically like sources citing experts

866
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: at the FDA or the U s d A, say

867
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: that you can't always count on alcohol to kill potential

868
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: bacterial content of raw eggs, and if you want to

869
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: be safe, the eggs should be cooked. You can do

870
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: this by like mixing the eggs and milk together and

871
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: gently bringing up to a hundred and sixty degrees fahrenheit

872
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: while stirring to kill any possible bacterial content before you

873
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: add the other ingredients. So personally, I don't know exactly

874
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: where we are left here. I will say it looks

875
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: like some experiments do show that alcohol content will at

876
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: least often, maybe not always, but will at least often

877
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: neutralize the main bacteria that are worried about, meaning salmonilla,

878
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: given enough alcohol and enough time, and I will say

879
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: that I also, just speaking for myself, not giving advice

880
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: to other people, have personally drunk eggnog made in this

881
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: way with raw eggs but with lots of alcohol content,

882
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: and personally I felt fine about it. But it also

883
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: looks like some experts still have concerns that this might

884
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: not always work, and caution that if you want to

885
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: make sure you're safe, you should cook your eggs or

886
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: you s a pasteurized product. I mean, this is also

887
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: enough to make one rethink um eating raw cookie dough

888
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: and so forth. Oh yeah, I mean, well, it's true,

889
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: I guess of anything with raw eggs in it, like,

890
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: there's always some small amount of risk. You know, some

891
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: small proportion of eggs out there are going to be infected.

892
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: Most eggs are fine, but some are going to have

893
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: salmonella in them, So you're always running that risk. And

894
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: I guess I guess some of the difficulty comes from

895
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: not just whether or not you will accept the risk,

896
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: but from not knowing exactly how risky it is. Like

897
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: you you can't come up, you don't have a number,

898
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, to say like, Okay, I have this percent

899
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: chance of getting salmonella if I do this. Instead, you

900
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: just have a vague sense that I have some small

901
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: chance and I don't know exactly what that chance is.

902
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: But in a way, that's the that's the holiday season.

903
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: It's about it's about uh thinking about your your chances

904
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: of survival, uh winter festivity that is supposed to get

905
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: you through the darkest portion of the year and hopefully

906
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: see about the resurrection of the living world. That's quite

907
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: beautifully put. But on the other hand, I'll just say, like,

908
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, if if you're not sure, yeah, just cook

909
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: your eggs or just use the past your eyes thing.

910
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fine. Now. Last year, un stuff to

911
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: blow your mind. We did an entire episode looking at

912
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: the major award leg lamp from a Christmas Story, the

913
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: nine eighties holiday classic film, and you know, looking at

914
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: this leg shaped lamp and finding uh predecessors to this

915
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: in the ancient world. In a similar way, I would

916
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: like to at the close of this episode on Eggnog

917
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: consider holiday film Christmas Vacation, which of course started a

918
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: great cast Chevy Chase, Beverly de Angelo, Randy Quaid, among others. Um.

919
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: But there are at least a couple of key scenes

920
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: in this movie in which the Griswold family drinks eggnog

921
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: from glass goblets made in the likeness of the Wally

922
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: World moose. Uh. These are you can actually buy these now,

923
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: this is an actual product, but in the movie they're

924
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: these these little glass goblets and they have big glass

925
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: moose antlers on either side, and there's a big droopy

926
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: moose snout on the front. You hold it by the

927
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: ear and you sip your eggnog that way or you

928
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: gulp it as as happens to be the case in

929
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: some of the scenes. I imagine the moon face has

930
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: to be facing out or else the snout would sort

931
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: of prevent you from from getting it to your lips. Yeah. Yeah,

932
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: you'd have to hold the glass in just the right way.

933
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: It's a ceremonial vessel. And I started looking around was thinking,

934
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if there's going to

935
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: be something in the ancient world that matches up with this.

936
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: But luckily, once more eighties holiday movie prop design is

937
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: one in line with the manufacture of artifacts in the

938
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: ancient world. I would like to discuss the the right on.

939
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: This is generally spelled r h y t o N

940
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: and it is a style of head cup that appears

941
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: in various forms throughout the ancient world, according to Mara

942
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: Abd el Maguad el Kadi in Forms and functions of

943
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: right ons in Ptolemaic Egypt. According to this author, they

944
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: were likely Persian in origin, and we're particularly popular during

945
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: the Akamand dynasty of fifty through three thirty PC. You

946
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: can look up images of the right on in the

947
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: various aversion of the right on that appear in different

948
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: times and different cultures. One can roughly compare these two

949
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: a drinking horn like a you know, the hollowed horn

950
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: of of a beast, but the design and function here

951
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: is a little more involved. So imagine a drinking horn

952
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: in which the slender part of the horn, the tapering

953
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: part of the horn is in the likeness of an

954
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: animal's head, or in the like the front half of

955
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: an animal. M m. And we don't have time on

956
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: this in this episode. Really dig into the variation and

957
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: the different cultural takes in this episode. But again, this

958
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: would have been a realistic drinking vessel. This would not

959
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: be something you would bust out, I would imagine for

960
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: your just everyday consumption. This would be for ceremonial drinking.

961
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: And there are essentially two types of right on. In

962
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: one form, you drink from the slender part of the

963
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: right on, holding it above one's head or roughly, you know,

964
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: above one's head, or at least parallel with one's head,

965
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: by either twin handles on the side, or from some

966
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: other kind of of handle that's a fixed to the object,

967
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: or even from sort of the the horn itself. In

968
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: other forms, one drinks from the wide portion of the

969
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: right on, so the whole thing is more like a

970
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: traditional goblet, except many of these designs would require you know,

971
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: gripping by the horns or by the or the antlers

972
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: that are on it. If they're antlers on it, and

973
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: you might not be able to set it down, it

974
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: may not might not have a bottom to it. Wow,

975
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: well that that that almost suggests a certain way to drink. Yeah,

976
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 1: and again this would be highly ritual, So it's it's

977
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,959
Speaker 1: not about setting your drink aside and then doing other things.

978
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: You're not gonna do any paperwork. This is probably part

979
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: of some ritual I don't know. You can easily imagine

980
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: some sort of warriors feast, etcetera. Right, you can't drink

981
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,959
Speaker 1: it while you're podcasting. It's maybe to drink from while

982
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: people stand around you chanting drink right Uh. So there

983
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: are various beautiful examples of the right on, but the

984
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: one that really brought to my mind the Wally World

985
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: mug is the Stag's head right on, dating to four

986
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: b c E. This is a silver artifact that actually

987
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: made headlines just last year due to its three point

988
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: five million dollar appraisal value and its presence among stolen

989
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: antiquities that were found in the possession of billionaire Michael Steinhardt.

990
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: Uh you can look up particles on that again from

991
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: just last year. The item was apparently alluded from a

992
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: museum in Turkey originally, but I'm unsure exactly when the

993
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: looting occurred other than sometime during the twentieth century during

994
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: a time of unrest, which that only narrows it down

995
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: so much concerning the twentieth century, though it does seem

996
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: to be of ancient Greek manufacturer somewhere in the region

997
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: of the Black Sea, probably from the fifth century b C.

998
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: And with this one, you'd apparently drink from the stag's

999
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: lower lip while holding it aloft, though not by the

1000
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: antlers um as is visible in many photo is of

1001
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: this particular artifact. There's this curved handle behind the neck. Oh,

1002
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: I see it. Yeah, So the question remains, is the

1003
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: Wally World mug a right on? It's not no, it's yes.

1004
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: It's first of all, it's not horn shaped. It also

1005
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: doesn't you don't drink from the moose's lips, though that

1006
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: alone wouldn't disqualify it from being a right on, as

1007
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: we previously noted, though, I've included a picture for for you, Joe,

1008
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: of a right on that would involve you drinking from

1009
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: the wide portion as opposed to the beast lips. You

1010
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: can sort of see mm hmm. So this one would

1011
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: be very much a situation where you have this kind

1012
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: of like I don't know, bronze or golden chalice, and

1013
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to set it down because instead

1014
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: of having a flat surface, flat bottom on the bottom

1015
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: of your goblet, there is like the head of a

1016
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: ram down there. Yeah, so you have to lay it

1017
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: on its side, I guess, in which case you would

1018
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: either spill what you were drinking or you would have

1019
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: to have consumed it all. Once again, the medium is

1020
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: the message here. This This is technology that shows that

1021
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: by necessity shows you a way to use it. Yeah, However,

1022
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: I will say the Wally World mug is the likeness

1023
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: of a moose head. It is the likeness of an

1024
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,479
Speaker 1: animal's head. It also is a ceremonial drinking vessel. They're

1025
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: clearly the Grizzwolds are not drinking out of these year round.

1026
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: They're busting them out for the holidays. And just as

1027
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: some of these artifacts, such as the stag, were decorated

1028
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: with warrior images and images of battle, and we can

1029
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: imagine that the ceremonies they involved probably aligned with some

1030
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: sort of warrior ethos. We do see Clark Griswold drinking

1031
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: copious amounts of nod while working cousin Eddie up for violence.

1032
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: So curiously I had to go back. I was imagining this,

1033
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: remembering this scene incorrectly, the scene where Clark Griswold is

1034
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,439
Speaker 1: throwing back a whole bunch of egg nog and talking

1035
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,479
Speaker 1: about how he wishes somebody would kidnap his boss. He's

1036
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: curiously not drinking from one of the moose goblets in

1037
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: this scene. Oh so, I don't know, I don't know

1038
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: what the reason for that is. You think you'd want

1039
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: him drinking out of the moose. Maybe it's just because

1040
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: you it's harder to to to hold. I don't know.

1041
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: Maybe it's to show in a subtle way that Clark

1042
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: is actually coldly calculating in the scene and he's he's

1043
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: not as drunk as it would suggest. Yeah, that's a

1044
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: whole whole topic for another time, trying to figure out

1045
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: Clark Griswold. How do we feel about Clark Clark Griswold,

1046
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: about his his motivations and his desires. In Christmas Vacation,

1047
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: Clark is neutral, evil, cousin cousin Randy Quaid, I'd say

1048
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: chaotic neutral, Yeah, I think so. Alright, So again, not

1049
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: really a right on in Christmas Vacation, But I think

1050
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: we might well imagine a scene from an alternate dimension

1051
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: in which, uh, there's a scene in Christmas Vacation in

1052
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: which Clark Griswold holds aloft the Mighty Wally the moose

1053
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: right on. Uh this big glass moose head. Perhaps it's

1054
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: silver in this scenario, I think silver moose head. Perhaps

1055
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: you grip it by the antlers, and he's allowing cousin

1056
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: Eddie to then drink nourishing nod from the lips of

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Speaker 1: the moose before he sends him out into glorious battle

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Speaker 1: against the enemies of Christmas. All right, that's all I have.

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Speaker 1: God bless us everyone. I will say also, I fortunately

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Speaker 1: finished my egg nog before we got to the draining

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Speaker 1: of abscesses. So hopefully that calibrates the podcast episode for

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Speaker 1: anyone out there who's like, oh, well, Rob's having an

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Speaker 1: egg nog. I should have an egg nog for this

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Speaker 1: listening experience. I hope that you two were finished before

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Speaker 1: the abscesses were drained. Why are you saying that, Rob?

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Speaker 1: Are you saying that? Otherwise it would suggest the mental

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Speaker 1: image that your glass of creamy mixture is what's out

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Speaker 1: coming out of the abscess Yes, that it is a

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Speaker 1: goblet of holiday pus which you might be drinking from

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Speaker 1: the glass of a moose, which doesn't help, or from

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Speaker 1: the lips of a moose. Right on, I guess Mary

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Speaker 1: Christmas everybody, all right, Yeah, we're gonna go and close

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Speaker 1: it out here, but we'd love to hear from everyone

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Speaker 1: out there if you have. I mean a lot of

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Speaker 1: people out there are going to have some sort of

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Speaker 1: holiday tradition involving some manner of egg nog. We didn't

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Speaker 1: really have time to get into all the variations, but

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Speaker 1: I know there's some. Uh this I think I've had

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Speaker 1: like a Puerto Rican variation of egg nog before that

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Speaker 1: was quite delightful. Uh, there's so many different regional variations,

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Speaker 1: family variations. Please right in. We'd love to hear your

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Speaker 1: take on all of us. In the meantime, we'll remind

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