Speaker 1: The official Jets podcast is on the road Bett. It
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Speaker 1: Gallen here at Watford in South Carolina with Lejay Dosable,
Speaker 1: former Jets defensive lineman. Now he's working for CBS Sports,
Speaker 1: continues to do Jets content as well. And the head coach,
Speaker 1: of course, the Saint Louis Battlehaw, that is Anthony beck Lejay,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the wardrobe of AB today.
Speaker 1: He's a guy out.
Speaker 2: Here once you're a head coach or a head coach everywhere,
Speaker 2: so he's got to go out and rips out. Man.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find the bottom layer guys here to
Speaker 3: bring on my team and get better.
Speaker 1: I love it. Okay. So joint practices we got one
Speaker 1: day in then in clement conditions. It was a stormy
Speaker 1: morning here in South Carolina. So the Jets practiced non
Speaker 1: pads here on Thursday. Let's start with Wednesday. Jets get
Speaker 1: in some good work against the Carolina Panthers. What were
Speaker 1: your major takeaways? Initially?
Speaker 3: Does yeah?
Speaker 2: This just d line is something else. I mean there
Speaker 2: was one team period where Bryce Young got sacked like
Speaker 2: six or seven straight plays. Quinn Williams made a Mark
Speaker 2: on practice. John Franklin Myers. I think the depth of
Speaker 2: the d line is what I don't want to say,
Speaker 2: surprises you because we saw it last year.
Speaker 3: But when you add a guy like Will McDonald and.
Speaker 2: He even flashing that practice, it shows you that they
Speaker 2: are the focal point of this defense, right. I love
Speaker 2: the secondary Sauce Gardner was banged up, didn't practice, but
Speaker 2: you saw DJ Reid compete.
Speaker 3: Tony Allen just continues. He is the surprise at camp, I.
Speaker 2: Would say for everybody, and looks like he's almost solidified
Speaker 2: that starting job next to Whitehead. I mean, I love
Speaker 2: his attitude. I think Solid talked about it before practice.
Speaker 2: He embodies what they want to do on defense on
Speaker 2: this team, and you just love this energy for a
Speaker 2: young second year player. Aaron Rodgers is just a widely vet.
Speaker 2: He just knows where to go with the football, play
Speaker 2: in and play out. Now, the offensive line did have
Speaker 2: some struggles. I know a lot of people saw some
Speaker 2: film from practice, but they continue to try to get
Speaker 2: better weekend and week out. They played this Saturday. We
Speaker 2: hope to see them take another step in that game.
Speaker 2: But those are some of the things that I saw.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, just knowing where to go with the football
Speaker 2: in this offense, having full command of it. The defensive
Speaker 2: line just wreaking have it, and I love what I
Speaker 2: saw from the secondary every day.
Speaker 1: Ab I feel fortunate to be able to watch Rogers
Speaker 1: because he makes a couple throws in practice that are
Speaker 1: just incredible, like today, hits Malik Teller up the sidelines
Speaker 1: despite DJ Reid having great coverage, and he's so controlled,
Speaker 1: so poised. He's a player coach on the field. What
Speaker 1: were you doing when you were bouncing around yesterday when
Speaker 1: you were taking in Jets Panthers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Leger hit it on the head.
Speaker 3: I mean the operation is smooth, yea yeah, and that
Speaker 3: makes everybody better, the lineman, the backs, the ball placement
Speaker 3: when it comes out out of the top of your stem,
Speaker 3: with the receiver, the tight end, and even for the
Speaker 3: defensive side to see it. They see it now, they
Speaker 3: see it real time. How quick it's going to be
Speaker 3: when you go against some of these great quarterbacks that
Speaker 3: play in the league, and is it it's significantly different
Speaker 3: than per se when any other quarterbacks in there. And
Speaker 3: that's tim en Zach. It's just a different smoothness and
Speaker 3: the fact that you know, I kind of compare it
Speaker 3: when Brady came to the Bucks. He still had to
Speaker 3: learn a verbiage and it was slower and it took time,
Speaker 3: and they didn't mess early. Here. Man, It's like the
Speaker 3: buttons are getting pushed now. Everybody's trying to catch up
Speaker 3: to him, which is good because I see him teaching everybody.
Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that the things that are glaring
Speaker 3: to me is that you get to walk through at
Speaker 3: the end of practice and he's playing putting a penny
Speaker 3: on and he's the mike backer and he's telling the
Speaker 3: D line which way to slam, which way to go,
Speaker 3: and we're who walks out as a backer. To me,
Speaker 3: that stuff is priceless, man, because as a coach, when
Speaker 3: I'm watching scout team guys do walk through, I'm yelling
Speaker 3: at them constantly because they're just not doing it right.
Speaker 3: They're not in the right spots, they're not flowing. And
Speaker 3: he has to just the wherewithal just to go out
Speaker 3: there and help the other guys, especially the second team offense.
Speaker 3: It's going to be out in the preseason game. Those
Speaker 3: little right there, they add up every single day and
Speaker 3: he's on it, and I think that's huge.
Speaker 1: How much fun do you think Rogers has happened since
Speaker 1: you came up from Florida for these two sessions. This
Speaker 1: is your first time watching him in practice in greenaw White.
Speaker 2: I think what t A just said, I mean our
Speaker 2: TB my bad really said, really embodies how Rogers has
Speaker 2: felt since he's come over to the Jets. I mean
Speaker 2: the continuity having fun with his teammates, literally putting the
Speaker 2: pennyon to be the mech linebacker pointing things out. I
Speaker 2: know you were talking about it earlier and you were
Speaker 2: the Malik Taylor throw from yesterday. There was a throw
Speaker 2: today on a boot waggle that literally, yes cj Uzama
Speaker 2: opened in the middle of the field coming down the
Speaker 2: drag route, but he threaded it and again he was
Speaker 2: rolling to his left, so for people that don't know,
Speaker 2: that's the opposite side of his arm strength, right. I
Speaker 2: believe only four quarterbacks in the league could have made
Speaker 2: this though literally was on the sideline. I think it
Speaker 2: was too if I'm not mistaken, Allen Lazard and there
Speaker 2: was nowhere to put the ball, but he put it
Speaker 2: on the money to him and then you see him
Speaker 2: giving one of these little you know, Aaron Rodgers fist pumps.
Speaker 2: It's just what he does at the quarterback. And I
Speaker 2: don't think we've ever seen here for the New York Jets,
Speaker 2: I've never seen it, right, And you know, I've been
Speaker 2: around the team. I played for ten years, followed the
Speaker 2: team ever since I retired, and it's just a breath
Speaker 2: of fresh air. I think you heard coach Albrook talk
Speaker 2: about it in the hard knocks, like, say we give
Speaker 2: up a few scores, right, say we give up some yardage,
Speaker 2: We're gonna be in the game because we have Number
Speaker 2: eight is our quarterback.
Speaker 3: He's our guy.
Speaker 2: So I think that really what embodies Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 2: what he's meant to this team. And to Tony's point
Speaker 2: also right, it's the little things that he does, like
Speaker 2: staying after practice, talking to guys, Zach Wilson, the simple things,
Speaker 2: just taking handoffs, his footwork. If he sees something wrong,
Speaker 2: he goes and corrects it right there. Receivers after the play,
Speaker 2: if Aaron's and this is his own coverage, he's like,
Speaker 2: I want you to cut it in a little bit more.
Speaker 2: You see that right there on the field, And that's
Speaker 2: how a team briels that continuity and gets better. It's
Speaker 2: those corrections on the field.
Speaker 1: He's going short with you, Anthony, he's going tony, he's
Speaker 1: going to your TV.
Speaker 3: What do you think about. It's a lot of fat,
Speaker 3: a lot of my coach. Maybe you're coming to the dark.
Speaker 1: Side and coming to I love it. Ab. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about what Lejay was speaking to before the Jets defensive
Speaker 1: line strength and numbers, also the talent and what you
Speaker 1: saw from them up front. Because Bryce Young the number
Speaker 1: one overall pick in the twenty twenty three draft, he
Speaker 1: got a lot of great work because you're facing an
Speaker 1: elite front, and the Jets treated that like a game
Speaker 1: situation out here on Wednesday, because they weren't pads. That's
Speaker 1: the first time the starters were going against an opponent,
Speaker 1: and they're not going to be playing Saturday night against
Speaker 1: the Panthers.
Speaker 3: This is where the guys get their work, the starters.
Speaker 3: I mean, these joint practices have become kind of the
Speaker 3: peak of training camp where you get that work with
Speaker 3: your ones and everybody feels comfortable in that setting. The
Speaker 3: raps were as close to game as possible because guys
Speaker 3: don't want to look bad against other guys in the league,
Speaker 3: and they want to show off what they can do.
Speaker 3: So you know, the preseason games are what they are.
Speaker 3: It's for the younger towns, for the guys that are
Speaker 3: trying to find spots on the rosters, try to find
Speaker 3: your depth on your football team. But you're right, it
Speaker 3: is intense. It was an eye opener. I'm sure for
Speaker 3: Bryce Young you know, you talk about his offensive line,
Speaker 3: they're young and spots are trying to get some pieces
Speaker 3: there as well, and you got a veteran deep defensive
Speaker 3: line that took advantage of those situations. That's what you want.
Speaker 3: That's the consistent part about what we saw last year
Speaker 3: at this defense is you know, you knew if there
Speaker 3: was some limited areas on the offensive line for some
Speaker 3: of the teams they played, they were going to take
Speaker 3: advantage of it. And now you're talking about across the
Speaker 3: board and from behind when guys roll in, there's problems, right,
Speaker 3: So how do those offensive lines solve those problems? I
Speaker 3: just really think it's hard for five guys, sometimes guys
Speaker 3: rotating in, some guys that get hurt, that come in
Speaker 3: offensively for different teams that Jets are going to face,
Speaker 3: all these different types of players. You know, when you're
Speaker 3: when you're studying offensive lineman through the week, you're not
Speaker 3: looking at the backup cor You gotta go a little
Speaker 3: deeper with the Jets because man, you know Bryce Huff
Speaker 3: comes into the game, that's a problem. You know, you
Speaker 3: gotta and you gotta figure out how you're gonna go
Speaker 3: against that. And then a guy like Will McDonald who's
Speaker 3: a completely different type of pass rusher. You think you
Speaker 3: get your hands on him and shut him down, but
Speaker 3: can you get your hands on him correct and shut
Speaker 3: him down because he's constantly moving and getting his body
Speaker 3: in different places. So it's a challenge and it was
Speaker 3: good work against Carolina's offense.
Speaker 1: Some guys are content after getting the bag, They say,
Speaker 1: Quinn Williams four years in the National Football League, twenty
Speaker 1: five years old. I actually see the opposite out of
Speaker 1: Quentin Williams. He wants to be considered the best defense
Speaker 1: attack for a football that is his that's his next goal.
Speaker 1: And against the Panthers he was unblockable.
Speaker 3: That's the understatement of what he was.
Speaker 2: I mean, you said a lot of guys getting content
Speaker 2: once they get the bag, But it seems like it's
Speaker 2: actually motivated him more to be the next great dtackle.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have talked about Aaron
Speaker 2: Donald being maybe the greatest defensive player ever and Chris
Speaker 2: Jones maybe taking a step to be the top guy,
Speaker 2: and then Quinn's right out there. Well, I think he's
Speaker 2: taking that as a challenge this year because you can
Speaker 2: see it in the way he works at practice.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: He literally dominated that team period I was talking about
Speaker 2: started off with the sack. They're two minute Jriil first
Speaker 2: played a two minute sack. He could not be blocked
Speaker 2: one on one pass rush. They had no answers for him.
Speaker 2: So I love that that's his mindset again because a
Speaker 2: lot of guys can get a little comfortable, and Saalah
Speaker 2: actually talked about that today in this press conference right
Speaker 2: before practice, like you want to watch guys, and you
Speaker 2: know guys that get their money and get their bag,
Speaker 2: see if they get a little comfortable. But you haven't
Speaker 2: seen that from Quinn Williams. If anything, We've seen them
Speaker 2: take it up a notch. I've seen him talking to
Speaker 2: Jermaine Johnson and other d lineman when they felt like
Speaker 2: they didn't maybe run a pass RUSS game properly getting
Speaker 2: on them right there, like, all right, guys, let's come
Speaker 2: together and get this right. You've seen them take that
Speaker 2: leadership role to another level, so you have to love
Speaker 2: that if you're Joe Douglas and Robert Sala knowing that
Speaker 2: you pay the guy because he deserved it, but now
Speaker 2: he wants to take it to the next level.
Speaker 1: You are a head coach in the XFL, what are
Speaker 1: you watching when you study Robert Sala as he approaches
Speaker 1: year three and the Jets constantly in the news with
Speaker 1: the cameras one Jets drive, fantastic job in house production team.
Speaker 1: You add hard knocks into the mix. You turn on
Speaker 1: ESPN every day the Jets are being talked about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably twelve hours airtime.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it starts just operation every single day,
Speaker 3: making everything smooth, make sure guys are in the right spots,
Speaker 3: guys are bouncing around. The coaching staffs understands the tempo
Speaker 3: that needs to be set every single practice. I hear
Speaker 3: you know, Keith Carter, the offensive line coach, like get
Speaker 3: off the field in between drills the offense. It's a
Speaker 3: little details that builds the culture that you want so
Speaker 3: that when that trickles down and you get to the season.
Speaker 3: It really is becoming who you are as a football team,
Speaker 3: and just you know, letting his coaches coach. You know,
Speaker 3: I think that's a tough thing sometimes our head coaches
Speaker 3: like they always want to, you know, get their hands
Speaker 3: on it and step on it. You know, I can
Speaker 3: coach my coaches off the field in the meeting rooms,
Speaker 3: all these different things we can watch from We're gonna
Speaker 3: watch all this practice all over again. So it's like
Speaker 3: there's a time let your guys do their thing, build
Speaker 3: their rapport with their players, let them gain the trust
Speaker 3: that they have to gain, and let them do their
Speaker 3: job on the field. So those are things that obviously
Speaker 3: are there and that leadership quality as far as you know,
Speaker 3: the guidance before practice, during practice, pulling a guy's side,
Speaker 3: talking to him, you know, being aware of just what's
Speaker 3: going on, how the practice is going it, is it crappy,
Speaker 3: do we shut it down? Do we bring it up?
Speaker 3: You know, those are all things you constantly have to
Speaker 3: be prepared to hit on because you don't know what
Speaker 3: that day's going to entail. But you understand everybody knows
Speaker 3: where to be and what to do and it's clean.
Speaker 3: That's what I saw in the last two days of practice.
Speaker 1: The Jets just finished a walk through at the end
Speaker 1: of Thursday's practice. There are two players on the field
Speaker 1: right now. One of them is Zach Wilson, Dirict. He'll
Speaker 1: be making a second preseason start. How important are these
Speaker 1: reps for him in the summer before he takes the
Speaker 1: spot of being Aaron Rodgers back up in the regular
Speaker 1: season starting against the Bill September eleventh.
Speaker 2: They're monumental, right, because once the season gets in, Ab,
Speaker 2: I'll say, AB this time, you know this, right, getting
Speaker 2: most of the reps. Your backup's not getting any reps
Speaker 2: barely throughout the season. So as far as game time reps,
Speaker 2: these are the best that Zach Wilson can hope for.
Speaker 2: And this is how he really betters hisself. And Robert
Speaker 2: Sala talked about this also right before practice. He felt
Speaker 2: like he Zach Wilson didn't have his best practice in
Speaker 2: the cross practice. I believe it was his first interception
Speaker 2: that he threw in a two minutes too. I know
Speaker 2: he's looking forward to answering that challenge. You always want
Speaker 2: to see how young quarterbacks bounce back after they have
Speaker 2: maybe a bad couple plays a bad practice, how they
Speaker 2: bounce back and respond in games and this will be
Speaker 2: a big testament to see Zach Wilson in his growth, right.
Speaker 3: I know he's excited to take the challenge.
Speaker 2: We saw growth in that Hall of Fame game at
Speaker 2: big completion to Malik Taylor down the sideline, look the
Speaker 2: safety off through the nine route, hit him in stride.
Speaker 2: That's what you want to see from Zach Wilson. This
Speaker 2: the little things, the fundamental and footwork in the pocket,
Speaker 2: that's where he struggled the last two years. That's the
Speaker 2: growth we want to see from Zach Wilson in this
Speaker 2: game Saturday and moving throughout the preseason.
Speaker 1: How much could he grow just from watching the operation
Speaker 1: Because you're talking about taking in practice, watching Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: who essentially is a player coach. How much can he
Speaker 1: grow just watching one of the best who's ever played
Speaker 1: the game do it? And then also you want to
Speaker 1: raise your standard, but at the same time, you don't
Speaker 1: want to go out and try to be Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: I think it's a make or break situation for your career.
Speaker 3: When you talk about that, you know Aaron Rodgers didn't
Speaker 3: play immediately when he got drafted, he got to watch
Speaker 3: one of the great quarterbacks. And you know, regardless of
Speaker 3: what their relationship was, he picked up a lot for
Speaker 3: men on how he just handled players in the huddle,
Speaker 3: broke down a huddle, you know, after practice. Zach's got
Speaker 3: to watch all that because he has to learn how
Speaker 3: to act like a quarterback. You know, just because you're
Speaker 3: a quarterback doesn't mean you know how to do all
Speaker 3: those kind of things off the field. He's got tremendous talent.
Speaker 3: He can throw a ball anywhere on the field, all
Speaker 3: these great things, but there is more to it at
Speaker 3: the position. And you know, sometimes you just don't pick
Speaker 3: that up in college and you don't have a guy
Speaker 3: to watch to really learn from because you're thrown into
Speaker 3: the fire so quickly because you're a draft pick. Now
Speaker 3: he gets to take a step back. You got to
Speaker 3: embrace that. I think he has. This is his childhood idol, right,
Speaker 3: so you know he's he's got a chance. You know, Okay,
Speaker 3: I just saw him play, watch him on TV Soul interviews.
Speaker 3: Now he gets to have every waking moment around him.
Speaker 3: I would be literally, you know those little bags that
Speaker 3: the backpacks with the string that the kids are wearing
Speaker 3: now with the parents and yeah, yeah, that's one of
Speaker 3: those his hold on though.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that's listen man, this is it's invaluable information. Uh.
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you it will make or break Zach
Speaker 3: Wilson's career. And we'll find out when that time comes
Speaker 3: and he gets that opportunity. And you know what, if
Speaker 3: you're the backup, you're one hit away. So you know,
Speaker 3: this team's got aspirations. You can't just shut down the
Speaker 3: season if something were to go down, So he has
Speaker 3: to be prepared.
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Speaker 1: Oh, dudes, I don't even know what day it is
Speaker 1: as far as on the calendar. I know it's Thursday
Speaker 1: and the Jets played a second preseason game in two days.
Speaker 1: You guys are talking about quarterbacks potentially taking hits. Where
Speaker 1: is the Jets offensive line right now? What's your level concern?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I know they're confident with their interior three with McGovern,
Speaker 2: Abt and Lincoln Thompson. I think the big concern is
Speaker 2: off of the tackle and that was the concern last year.
Speaker 2: I mean, Joe Douglas did a wonderful job. You know
Speaker 2: a lot of people will get after him, but he
Speaker 2: brought four guys in and all four get here. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can't out for that as a GM when your
Speaker 2: top four offensive tackles get hurt. Right, So, and they've
Speaker 2: dealt with some injuries this year, right Dwayne Brown still
Speaker 2: hasn't been cleared and come back ready to play. I
Speaker 2: believe he's still in the publish Robert Salad said he's
Speaker 2: getting closer, So hopefully we see him in a week
Speaker 2: or two. Macay Beckton is working through it. He's actually
Speaker 2: gotten better every single day. I already liked how he
Speaker 2: came out today, and I think that's the biggest thing, right,
Speaker 2: And you can speak to this av when you're coming
Speaker 2: off of injury, right, it's about stacking the days and
Speaker 2: building that confidence in that injury.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So for him to not have missed any time the
Speaker 2: last couple of days, that's got to be big, not
Speaker 2: only for the team, but for his psyche as a player,
Speaker 2: because there's mental hurdles you have to jump over where
Speaker 2: you're coming off an injury, and I think that's what
Speaker 2: he's working through now. Looked really good even though it
Speaker 2: was a non padded practice. The things I look for
Speaker 2: in offensive lineman is how can they bend right? Do
Speaker 2: they stop you know power again, you don't want to
Speaker 2: see guys power rushing with no pads on, but can
Speaker 2: they redirect when a guy makes a stunt move and
Speaker 2: things like that. He did that really well today. So
Speaker 2: and then you look at Max Mitchell who's just coming along.
Speaker 2: They've kind of flipped him back and forth to left
Speaker 2: tackle on right tackle. Yeah, him with Billy Turner, I
Speaker 2: think he's best suited for right tackle. You could tell
Speaker 2: he just looks more comfortable at right tackle. So there
Speaker 2: has been some growing pains right talked about building that continuity.
Speaker 2: I know Aaron Rodgers and Saliv both said this. We
Speaker 2: want to know our start in five. We want to
Speaker 2: know it sooner than later, so you can build that continuity.
Speaker 2: So everybody's on the same string. Everybody's doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: They knew they can trust their brother to the inside
Speaker 2: and the outside of them. So there's some work to
Speaker 2: be done at the offensive tackle position. But the good
Speaker 2: thing is you get to work again this Saturday against
Speaker 2: another color Jersey, and you got two more preseason games
Speaker 2: to work the kinks out before the season starts.
Speaker 1: Ab really interesting because sala was asked about Elijah Verah Tucker,
Speaker 1: who is such a valuable chess piece, and that a
Speaker 1: line never really fully recovered from losing him in Week
Speaker 1: seven last year. But Arah Tucker, we saw him play
Speaker 1: guard last year, left tackle and right tackle. He made
Speaker 1: it clear today that he's going to play his best
Speaker 1: five and the Jets love Bear Tucker at guard, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure he wants to play at right guard just
Speaker 1: because he had that sense of permanence. But he left
Speaker 1: open that door that he could go outside and play tackle.
Speaker 3: You know, I would say this, he has flexibility, and
Speaker 3: I would say after the week practice with the Bucks,
Speaker 3: if they start to utilize him there and give him
Speaker 3: some reps there, there may be Okay, we don't. We're
Speaker 3: not quite sure yet, because that's where I think the
Speaker 3: build up to get those guys prepared on the edge
Speaker 3: that whether they're not healthy yet or there's a confidence
Speaker 3: thing or you're just trying to find the right mix,
Speaker 3: I think you can take it to after the joint
Speaker 3: practice of the Bucks. That's today. I felt like, you know, look,
Speaker 3: today was a big day so to work, you know,
Speaker 3: with with Caroline and obviously the weather or at least
Speaker 3: what the weather was supposed to we didn't allow it.
Speaker 3: But you get through this weekend of games, you go
Speaker 3: through next week and then okay, like we've got three
Speaker 3: solid weeks. You know, they had the extra week with
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame week as well, so it's given
Speaker 3: you enough time to see there's film, now there's this
Speaker 3: is what we got. You know, it ain't gonna change
Speaker 3: much till till we get to September. Like this is
Speaker 3: what they are and now You've got to start making
Speaker 3: those decisions because after Bucks week you got to start
Speaker 3: rolling or at least into those practices. You want to
Speaker 3: have a good base like these are five, we're rolling
Speaker 3: with it. If it's a disaster, then you know what,
Speaker 3: we may have to slide out and work from the
Speaker 3: inside out to get better. If you have to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I think. You know with Brown coming back,
Speaker 3: he's in the right track. He's just staple. He stays healthy.
Speaker 3: And now you have three guys that can kind of
Speaker 3: operate at the right hand side, uh, with the with
Speaker 3: the safety valve, attucker, then now you're you're in good shape.
Speaker 3: So it's a build up process. Man, It's never going
Speaker 3: to look good all the time. It's just got to
Speaker 3: look good when we start the season. So once the
Speaker 3: season starts, hopefully those guys are locked in and everybody
Speaker 3: feels good about what they're doing.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts there, Because Dwayne Brown is a
Speaker 1: workout warrior. We saw him out on the practice field, yes, Jack,
Speaker 1: but Sala was clear about there's a difference between being
Speaker 1: in shape for the gym and the beach, you know,
Speaker 1: but he's after it. But part of it, he said,
Speaker 1: the rehab has to do with the shoulder part of
Speaker 1: it's just the conditioning. He didn't want to put a
Speaker 1: timetable on it. Where are you at as far as
Speaker 1: the tackle position? And then Avt?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing with Avt's versatility, you can move
Speaker 2: him around.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: This guy started a left tackle, which I didn't think
Speaker 2: was gonna happen in Denver week, didn't surrender a pressure
Speaker 2: and it was dominant until he had the injury.
Speaker 3: So you have that versatility.
Speaker 2: I agree with ab here, like next week is the
Speaker 2: barometer where you need to decide what you're gonna do
Speaker 2: moving forward, Like you need two solid three weeks of
Speaker 2: that starting five to know in your head who's gonna
Speaker 2: be starting here. That way, these guys get comfortable with
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers and the text and also moving together because
Speaker 2: if you do got to move some chest pieces around,
Speaker 2: you want them to build that continuity with their guard
Speaker 2: on the inside.
Speaker 3: You know how important that is.
Speaker 2: You got to be able to know what your guard
Speaker 2: is thinking, especially when guys make inside moves. If you
Speaker 2: guys slide into the right, doesn't he have your back
Speaker 2: or not? So you have to implement that on the
Speaker 2: practice fields. I think what Ab said is the smartest
Speaker 2: way to approach this. After that Tampa Bay Cross practice week,
Speaker 2: you figure out, all right, this is what we have.
Speaker 3: We'll see where.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know why I'm having a brain
Speaker 2: for Brown is at that situation. If he's ready to go, great,
Speaker 2: we leave a VT inside because I believe he can
Speaker 2: be an all pro at god, I think he could
Speaker 2: be at Pro Bowl type writer or left tackle, but
Speaker 2: I believe he's best suited to stay inside. So I
Speaker 2: believe after that week they'll make a final decision. But
Speaker 2: to a solid point with you know, Dwayne Brown, like,
Speaker 2: you can be in shape, but there's nothing like football
Speaker 2: safe and the only way to get in football shape
Speaker 2: is to go out there and practice. So he needs
Speaker 2: a solid veterancy to solid two weeks a good work
Speaker 2: to feel comfortable enough. Yeah, there's nothing like getting those
Speaker 2: practice reps. And you can speak to this. You can
Speaker 2: you can be a workout war you can look good,
Speaker 2: look apart, but it's a lot different when there's a
Speaker 2: two one hundred and sixty five pound man coming with
Speaker 2: speed to power, coming with a spin move right away,
Speaker 2: top club. You need those reps. Your body has to
Speaker 2: respond to those reps. There's a callous that you have
Speaker 2: to build up to get ready for the same.
Speaker 3: Dwayne Brown knows that. Hey, he knows like, hey, I
Speaker 3: gotta start. I gotta start being out there now, like
Speaker 3: I have to get out there wherever he's at, wherever
Speaker 3: he's feeling. He knows he's going to need it personally
Speaker 3: because he's been doing it for so long. What it's
Speaker 3: going to take his body to be there outside of
Speaker 3: just throwing medicine balls and doing all that.
Speaker 1: Everybody on offense is excited about Rogers' arrival. Well, let's
Speaker 1: talk about your position. A guy that we've seen targeted
Speaker 1: frequently the last few days of practice is c j Uzama.
Speaker 1: The Jets also have a highly athletic, I think mismatch
Speaker 1: problem at Tyler Conklin. We saw him be productive last year.
Speaker 1: They're also talking up Jeremy Rucker because he's coming off
Speaker 1: as really truly a true first professional off season. What
Speaker 1: do you think about the tight end group and also
Speaker 1: the backs coming out of the backfield, how involved they're
Speaker 1: going to be in the past game.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be huge. If you look at Nathaniel Hacketts
Speaker 3: background with the tight ends, you look at Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: what he did in Green Bay, You're gonna get the ball.
Speaker 3: You know, CJ has a chance to get more opportunities.
Speaker 3: Conklin clearly is going to be a guy that's going
Speaker 3: to get a lot of looks. He's a good route runner,
Speaker 3: he knows space and he's not going to be missed
Speaker 3: when the when the routes are built to get to
Speaker 3: get him the football. I do, like Rcord, I think
Speaker 3: you know, he is posing a really good threat for
Speaker 3: more playing time. You know, he can do a lot
Speaker 3: and he was at a place in college where he
Speaker 3: couldn't get as much because of the people that were
Speaker 3: around them. From from a talent standpoint, when you're talking
Speaker 3: about play action game rollouts, nakeds, that's that's huge part
Speaker 3: of what Nathaniel Hackett's going to do. And those little
Speaker 3: pop passes that it tight, they're gonna get them, and
Speaker 3: they're gonna get those over routes and they're gonna they're
Speaker 3: gonna find ways in the red zone to get on
Speaker 3: the ball. So look for the numbers collectively to really
Speaker 3: jump this year, just because a quarterback that just gets
Speaker 3: the understanding of what the value is in that position.
Speaker 3: These guys got to be on it because the ball's
Speaker 3: coming their way.
Speaker 1: He's amazing to watch as far as his ball handwings
Speaker 1: concern and what he does in the play action because
Speaker 1: still at thirty nine, he could get out on the
Speaker 1: move a little bit and he's comfortable being on the move,
Speaker 1: and you talked about that before, but just his skills
Speaker 1: with the play action game, it's really fun to watch.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, right because if you try to blitz some
Speaker 2: he knows where you're coming from, and they've had things
Speaker 2: literally and he has it built in where the tight ends,
Speaker 2: running backs, and receivers are all on one accord where
Speaker 2: they know they just turn around and stop right. He
Speaker 2: had play today on a play action pass that was
Speaker 2: just god ridiculous. I believe he was on one foot
Speaker 2: and he threw it the cj Usamata's back shoulder. Again,
Speaker 2: not too many quarterbacks making that play. Not too many
Speaker 2: quarterbacks just ciphering the blitz and then getting the ball
Speaker 2: off to get a first down. So again, it just
Speaker 2: looks like it's easy for Aaron Rodgers. That's the best
Speaker 2: way to describe it. Just knows where to go with
Speaker 2: the football, knows how to manipulate the defense.
Speaker 3: He'll let you.
Speaker 2: You'll make sure you show your hand and then it's
Speaker 2: one of the greatest ever and causing twelve men on
Speaker 2: the field or getting a defensive jump off side. And
Speaker 2: I think that's an added thing to the Jets offense
Speaker 2: out of people aren't talking about enough, right, that's a
Speaker 2: free five yards. You want to stay ahead of the sticks,
Speaker 2: getting people to jump off side, and then getting twelve
Speaker 2: men on the field with substitution issues. Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 2: the best in the league of doing that.
Speaker 1: Ab We saw that today out here on the practice
Speaker 1: field where Hackett was yelling at the opposite s eye
Speaker 1: line to the defense, get off the field, get off
Speaker 1: the field, because you saw Rogers run up under center
Speaker 1: and get ready. You never know when he's gonna take
Speaker 1: a snap. And also like yesterday, I saw him line
Speaker 1: up in the gun. He waited and he waited. Then
Speaker 1: one of the Carolina edge rushers that came up, then
Speaker 1: he changes goes right under center. It totally changes the place.
Speaker 1: So it's for him. Everything out here is chess. He's
Speaker 1: a chess player, and everybody else is trying to catch
Speaker 1: jump because they're playing checkers.
Speaker 3: That's what the quarterback you're supposed to do. Quite frankly,
Speaker 3: I mean, when you were playing in the league and
Speaker 3: you were starting quality quarterback, you need to be doing
Speaker 3: that stuff. I mean, if you're not, then the defenses
Speaker 3: are smarter. Now they're better. They got better athletes. You
Speaker 3: don't have a lot more. You know, the time is
Speaker 3: less with the speed that's out there. Your decision process,
Speaker 3: you have to have it made at the line of
Speaker 3: scrimmage before the snap goes off. And then in that
Speaker 3: instance when you got to make that quick second tier decision,
Speaker 3: it just happens. But you already know because your your preset,
Speaker 3: your film study. You know, guy's covering up a nickel.
Speaker 3: He may come all those variations are so fast and
Speaker 3: having it's the toughest pause. I mean, listen, it's not
Speaker 3: it's not for everybody, right, So he does it at
Speaker 3: the highest level, and it's going to show up this year.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be like wow, like you know, there's like
Speaker 3: you said, not too many guys can do that. And
Speaker 3: then but that's what that's the experienced thirty nine. He's
Speaker 3: played it so long, he learned from one of the greatest,
Speaker 3: and now it's just it's it's easy. There's it almost
Speaker 3: looks like he's arrogant when he does it. It's just
Speaker 3: he knows, he gets it's a it's a confidence because
Speaker 3: of the everything he's done in his career and it
Speaker 3: pays off every single day for him.
Speaker 1: It's interesting the choice of words there as far as arrogant,
Speaker 1: it's it's just I know what you're saying, though, because
Speaker 1: it never looks like he's hurried. There's never he doesn't
Speaker 1: look like there's a sense of urgency because it comes
Speaker 1: so easy to him. He knows it inside and out.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he's never gonna press never.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just confidence in this offense.
Speaker 2: And Anthony was talking about this earlier, right, It's it's
Speaker 2: one thing when like Brady leaves and goes to Tampa
Speaker 2: has to learn the whole new offense under Bruce arians
Speaker 2: But this guy has been in this offense, won two
Speaker 2: MVPs in this offense, so it's kind of like he
Speaker 2: picked up where he left off when he was with
Speaker 2: Green Bay as far as knowing all the nuances to
Speaker 2: the offense and how to make certain checks and again
Speaker 2: how to manipulate the defense, how to get them to
Speaker 2: jump off side, how to get them twelve men on
Speaker 2: the field.
Speaker 3: Again, It's just he has.
Speaker 2: Supreme confidence when he's out there and you can see it.
Speaker 2: He knows where each person is supposed to be, not
Speaker 2: just on offense, he knows what the defenders were supposed
Speaker 2: to be. So you love to have that as an
Speaker 2: etch a quarterback position, a guy that knows exactly what
Speaker 2: he's doing play in and play out.
Speaker 3: As a player in the huddle, when you're seeing this,
Speaker 3: it gives me a sense of calmness. I played different
Speaker 3: because I'm not worried about like, oh, here comes my play.
Speaker 3: Is he gonna look at me like you know, if
Speaker 3: you're the option in practice or it was built for you,
Speaker 3: like if you get you're getting the ball, you know,
Speaker 3: Like that's that's a feeling for linemen and receivers and
Speaker 3: tight ends and running backs. Man. And then he's also
Speaker 3: a guy like bam running backs not quite Hey, she
Speaker 3: can change it, you go to the flat or hook
Speaker 3: over whatever that may be. It just it opens up
Speaker 3: so much, man. It's it's just a fortunate, uh situation
Speaker 3: for this team to be in right now to have
Speaker 3: a guy that can do that. And I'm telling you
Speaker 3: from day one. You're the first game. It's gonna show
Speaker 3: up and it's gonna be fun to see.
Speaker 1: It's watching every day one of the greatest conductors of
Speaker 1: all time. Okay, so quick thoughts before we get out
Speaker 1: of here. What have you seen from Jermae Johnson? Because
Speaker 1: Carl Austin did not make the trip trip, got some
Speaker 1: back tightness, so he's back in flooring park. But they're
Speaker 1: also very encouraged about Johnson so far. Early in camp.
Speaker 1: What did you see from him against the Panthers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he had a wicked spin movie that
Speaker 2: I know it wasn't versus the Panthers, but he had
Speaker 2: one on Max Mitchell that was nasty.
Speaker 3: But you've seen the growth in thecension from Jamaine.
Speaker 2: Johnson always played with a lot of effort and energy
Speaker 2: and you see that out on the field. We saw
Speaker 2: him get into it with Hayden Hurst to tie end yesterday.
Speaker 2: But that's what he's been in this whole camp. Right,
Speaker 2: He's been the energy grabber of the defensive line. So
Speaker 2: we've seen him take that jump. We've seen him become
Speaker 2: more concise in this past rush moves, which I really like. Right,
Speaker 2: he's been more open to using different moves. The spin
Speaker 2: move has come out, the chop club has come out,
Speaker 2: and we've just seen that growth. He's always been a
Speaker 2: physical player, right, That's what he was at Florida State.
Speaker 2: A lot of people didn't talk about that in the
Speaker 2: run game, but to me, he was the best run
Speaker 2: defender out of all the edge guys last year.
Speaker 3: And you see that on tape as well.
Speaker 2: So you see him taking that extension, especially with Carl
Speaker 2: Lawston out for a little bit right now, it's good
Speaker 2: to see him get in there with the mixed with
Speaker 2: Quinn Williams at JFM. Yeah, getting that continuity with those
Speaker 2: guys because we know this defensive line likes to rotate.
Speaker 2: But I I specifically want to watch your main Master
Speaker 2: because I believe he's gonna get an uptick in playtime
Speaker 2: where last year he's about thirty percent. I would not
Speaker 2: be surprised if he placed forty to forty percent of
Speaker 2: the stats defense.
Speaker 3: It's just one thing, I know. It's just he changed
Speaker 3: his body. Yeah, he's more. He looks more flexible. He
Speaker 3: seemed a little tight last year. You know, he just
Speaker 3: he didn't know how to work his body trees by
Speaker 3: now he got a year under his belt. He watched
Speaker 3: other guys. Carl Lawson by you know, taught him a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff on how you know, Oh yeah, right
Speaker 3: he lost. Now it's really kind of translate on Sunday.
Speaker 1: All right, So, and I do want to remind people
Speaker 1: when they analyze Jets Panthers joint practices that saw us Gardner.
Speaker 1: I think he had some quad tightness. So he did
Speaker 1: not practice against Carolina. Garrett Wilson coming off the ankle,
Speaker 1: he did not practice against the Panthers. What I like
Speaker 1: what Rogers did today? Second play a team. Oh seventeen's back,
Speaker 1: here you go, I get right involved. And then the
Speaker 1: other guy it was a monsterpiece for this team. Who
Speaker 1: will find out more in the weeks ahead is Brice Hall.
Speaker 1: I mean, so those are three monster pieces. And those guys,
Speaker 1: if they're not stars, are ready they're gonna be stars
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Well, I you know, the
Speaker 1: two of those guys.
Speaker 3: You can count on a cyclone.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you brought up that Garret wilsonay,
Speaker 2: because it was like, even though Garrett Wilson's missed the
Speaker 2: last couple of practices, it was like there was no
Speaker 2: drop off between him and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: They just in sync.
Speaker 2: It's crazy to think that they've only been together with
Speaker 2: about five months, five and.
Speaker 3: A half months.
Speaker 2: Because he knew exactly where to set up in his own
Speaker 2: right there, and Aaron Rodgers hit him right in between
Speaker 2: the numbers. And again we talked about this earlier. Rogers
Speaker 2: will correct players after plays like I want you to
Speaker 2: just cut in a little bit more. Didn't have to
Speaker 2: do that with Garret Wilson. He knew exactly where to
Speaker 2: set up, and that's reps on the field. That's the
Speaker 2: only way you can get that continuity. So I would
Speaker 2: not be surprised if Garrett Wilson and you can clip
Speaker 2: this goes over fifteen hundred yards this.
Speaker 1: Year that I was there a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is just the I really do expect gaudy numbers.
Speaker 3: He's that good last year. I he's good. Now he
Speaker 3: did it with four different quarterbacks. He's got Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: Now Aaron Rodgers gonna feed him the rock. He's he's
Speaker 3: gonna break all kinds of records around here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, this was fun. Fellas really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: And Uh, the lasting image I'll have from joint practices,
Speaker 1: not just Rogers and everything we saw from the defensive line,
Speaker 1: but saw us Gardner not practiced against Carolina, and he
Speaker 1: gets some good work in for Brandon Eckles and Brandon
Speaker 1: Eckles had a pick six against the number one overall
Speaker 1: pick and the drafts. So good work for the Jets
Speaker 1: even though they weren't able to get that second day
Speaker 1: of practice in with the Panthers. We'll see what happens
Speaker 1: Saturday night. Great seeing you guys.
Speaker 3: Thank you