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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrieback with

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Speaker 2: Vernon Mahabbel. Vernon is the founder and director of the

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Speaker 2: Palmistry Institute in Portland, Oregon. Vernon has formal training in

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Speaker 2: Vedic cosmology, which has taken him to India many times.

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Speaker 2: And what he does is he combines Eastern and Western

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Speaker 2: astrological disciplines into his practice. A couple of his books

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Speaker 2: include The Palmistry Cards and Talk to the Hand of

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Speaker 2: Field Guide to Practical Palmistry. We'll take calls with him

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Speaker 2: next hour and he may very well read your palm

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Speaker 2: right over the phone. Vernon, Welcome back, have you been George?

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Speaker 3: Fantastic being on again with you. Thank you for having

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Speaker 3: me on again.

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Speaker 2: You are the reason I look at my poems all

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 3: You know that, Oh that's good. I'm happy about that.

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Speaker 2: What is it about the poems that give you the

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Speaker 2: intelligence in the knowledge to predict who we are, what

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Speaker 2: our future is?

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Speaker 3: George? The hand is like a book, and the configurations

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Speaker 3: and the symbols and the lines are formed by the

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Speaker 3: soul within our own heart. So the soul is actually

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Speaker 3: sending these signals through the agency of the hand, so

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Speaker 3: it's just a question of knowing how to read that

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Speaker 3: book of the hand.

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Speaker 2: Is the left palm identical to the right palm?

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Speaker 3: Never? Never, because the left palm has to do with

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Speaker 3: the right brain, which is the intuitive side, and the

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Speaker 3: other brain has to do with the logic and reason,

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Speaker 3: So both hands are going to be completely different. In

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Speaker 3: other words, the inner self is usually going to be

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Speaker 3: seen better on the left hand, and the outer self

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Speaker 3: and our career and how other people see us is

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Speaker 3: going to be better seen on the right hand.

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Speaker 2: Now does the fingerprints have anything to do with it?

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Speaker 3: The fingerprints are one of my most important studies. They're

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Speaker 3: my focus, and the fingerprints had everything to do with

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Speaker 3: understanding what person's life purposes, what their careers should be,

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Speaker 3: and what their destiny is. Fingerprints hold the knowledge of

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Speaker 3: what we did in our previous life, our challenges from

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Speaker 3: our previous life, and what are talents and abilities we

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Speaker 3: accomplished in our previous life. So the fingerprints are amazing.

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Speaker 3: One of the things I look at first.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the fingerprints or palms of a baby,

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Speaker 2: can you determine what their personality is going to be like,

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Speaker 2: or what could happen to them when they get older

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Speaker 2: if they were to.

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Speaker 3: Keep their hands still for a few minutes. Huh. What

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Speaker 3: you have to do is just take a photograph of

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Speaker 3: their hands, keep their hands open, and convince the kid

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Speaker 3: to just keep their hands open, and then take a

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Speaker 3: quick shot. But yes, George, everything is seen on those

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Speaker 3: fingerprints on a child's hand, even if they're three days old.

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Speaker 3: You'll be able to see if that person is going

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Speaker 3: to be an architect when they're in their thirties and forties,

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Speaker 3: or will they be a talk show host. Everything is

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Speaker 3: on those fingerprints.

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Speaker 2: That is dramatic, It really is. And when you take

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Speaker 2: calls next hour, and what you've done in the past

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Speaker 2: is you've read people's palms right over the phone, haven't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like a bit of remote viewing,

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Speaker 3: if you will. But I have to have that person

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Speaker 3: look at their hands and I'll be able to scan

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Speaker 3: it and if they give me one or two questions,

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Speaker 3: that will be great.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm looking at my left palm and my right palm,

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Speaker 2: and it's the same to me.

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Speaker 3: Vernon, Well, if you really were to look at them

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Speaker 3: in great detail. You'll see that there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: differences there. Of course, there's gonna be some uh, there's

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Speaker 3: gonna be some symmetry there, obviously because it's you. But

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Speaker 3: there's a great difference between the right hand because it

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Speaker 3: definitely deals with the left brain and vice versa, and

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Speaker 3: so you have to look at those both brains. But

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Speaker 3: you know, ultimately both hands together will tell a story

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Speaker 3: about your life, so they should kind of work in

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Speaker 3: harmony with each other. But there's definitely differences in people's hands.

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Speaker 3: There's no question.

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Speaker 2: Now would they billion people on this planet. There is

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Speaker 2: no identical fingerprints out there.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen one yet.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: You know, law enforcement they use fingerprints for identification purposes

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Speaker 3: and that's wonderful, but they have no idea of the

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Speaker 3: psychology and emotional aspects and destiny that those fingerprints also hold.

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Speaker 3: But yes, it's true, George, there's no fingerprint that resembles

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Speaker 3: divided more into sixteen. But there's so many different levels

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Speaker 2: If there were a world event like an asteroid coming

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Speaker 2: this way. Would you be able to see that in

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Speaker 2: a number of people in their palms?

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Speaker 3: Well, George, when I first was about to move out

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Speaker 3: to California, this is like maybe the late eighties, my

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Speaker 3: friends were always telling me, Oh, there's gonna be an

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Speaker 3: earthquake in California. The whole thing's going to fall into

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Speaker 3: the sea. And so one of the things that I

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Speaker 3: was always on the lookout to see that type of thing.

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Speaker 3: I never saw it, and I still don't. So yes,

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Speaker 3: if there's something catastrophic like a meteor or something like

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Speaker 3: something of that nature, yeah, you would definitely see it.

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Speaker 3: On every hand that you read in that particular place.

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Speaker 2: Do the pomp prints or fingerprints change ever.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. When we look at lines, lines

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Speaker 3: are the chuck for systems, so they deal with energies.

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Speaker 3: So if a person, for instance, if you're looking at

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Speaker 3: your lines on your hand and you see lines that

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Speaker 3: are very deep and dark and rich, that means you're

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Speaker 3: using the energies and the talents of what those lines represent.

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Speaker 3: If the line on the other hand, is weak and

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Speaker 3: And what does change then is if a person is

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Speaker 3: starting to use their talents and abilities, those lines especially

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Speaker 3: will become deeper and darker and sometimes even extend. So

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Speaker 3: that's how that happens. But the general destiny of a

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Speaker 3: person will not change. In other words, if a person

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Speaker 3: destined to work with computers, that's not going to change.

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Speaker 3: What will change, on the hand, is if you're looking

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Speaker 3: at someone's hand and you will be able to tell

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Speaker 3: if they're actually utilizing those powers.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell if there's going to be happiness in

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Speaker 3: Yes you can. And that's an important aspect of palmistry

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Speaker 3: because a lot of times people who come to people

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Speaker 3: times all they want to know is, hey, one, is

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Speaker 3: it going to end? How long do I have to

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Speaker 3: makes us stronger. But yes, people do go through periods

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Speaker 3: That makes people really happy.

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Speaker 2: Does the palm determine the future or does the future

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Speaker 2: determine the palm.

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Speaker 3: We create our future, George, from activities that we performed

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Speaker 3: in our previous life. In other words, what we wanted

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Speaker 3: to continue in a previous life. If a person was

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Speaker 3: create our own future. We are What I see in

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Speaker 3: people's hands, George, is that we are completely in charge

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Speaker 3: of our own future and our own destiny. We created.

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Speaker 3: It's not arbitrary. It doesn't just happen. It's something that

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Speaker 3: we wanted and we get what we deserve and what

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Speaker 3: we desired from a previous life.

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Speaker 2: If you were to look at the hands of Zelenski,

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Speaker 2: the President of Ukraine and Vladimir Putin of Russia. What

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Speaker 3: Well, you would see the interplay between both of them.

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Speaker 3: In fact, if you were to look at let's say

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Speaker 3: would see that he would become the leader of his country,

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Speaker 3: and you would also see how he deals with people

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Speaker 3: and etc. Etc. So, yes, if you see two people

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Speaker 2: By looking at the hands. Can you touch certain spots

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Speaker 2: to make things happen?

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Speaker 3: There are some promise who believe in that, but I

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Speaker 3: don't take any stock in that. No. Really, the soul

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Speaker 3: within the heart is sending its message into the hand,

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Speaker 3: and just touching the hand has nothing to do with that.

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Speaker 3: It won't have anything to do with how your future

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Speaker 2: Burn and take us back to the beginning. How did

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Speaker 2: you get involved in reading poems?

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Speaker 3: When I was seventeen, George, I actually found a book

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Speaker 3: or six years, and I used to sit at his

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Speaker 2: Are there many promises in this country, in this world, George.

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Speaker 3: I wish there were more astrologers. Definitely outnumber us, there's

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Speaker 3: no question, but in the Western world palmistry is definitely

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Speaker 3: would actually say that palmistry, astrology, numerology, we're mainstream, We're

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Speaker 3: not We're not on the fringe anymore. You can tell,

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Speaker 3: for instance, you can tell a friend that, hey, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to my astrologer or my palmise just as just

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Speaker 3: as well as you were to say, hey, I'm going

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Speaker 3: In fact, people will even say, hey, I want the

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Speaker 3: number of this person. Tell me what they're reading was about.

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Speaker 3: So so people are becoming more discriminative, discriminative and aware

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Speaker 3: of palmistry. And the palmis are that I know are

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Speaker 3: contributing something new to their science. Astrologists have been doing

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Speaker 3: that for many, many years, but palmistry is definitely coming up.

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Speaker 3: Palmas Cy George is a brother or sister to astrology.

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Speaker 3: So in the Eastern world, palmstree is just as popular

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Speaker 3: Most Western palmists don't really see the science of palmistry

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Speaker 2: We're talking with Vernon Mahaffal, the palm reader, and he

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Speaker 2: does a great job doing it. How difficult is it

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Speaker 3: Oh, it depends on the person's desire. Many times people

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Speaker 3: just tell this person has done it in a previous

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Speaker 3: intuitively getting it. Other times people come to palmistry and

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Speaker 3: it's and it takes them a little bit of time,

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Speaker 3: And that's happening a lot these days, thank god.

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Speaker 2: Are there key factors in everybody's palms that are similar.

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Speaker 3: Well, as you were saying before, you know, everybody wants happiness,

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Speaker 3: everybody wants sure and and so what I see is

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Speaker 3: that if as a as a palmi is my job

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Speaker 3: are the type of emotions you have. Uh. And if

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Speaker 3: I can explain that to a person and they get

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Speaker 3: a good handle on who they are and what what

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Speaker 3: what their abilities are, then people will become happy. They will.

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Speaker 3: And so the similarities are that we all want happiness,

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Speaker 3: we won't we all we all want we all want

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Speaker 3: to be free from fear uh And but our ways

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Speaker 2: If the palm says something to you and they're not

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Speaker 2: very favorable to the individual, and you point this out

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Speaker 2: to the individual, can that individual have the free will

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Speaker 2: to change? Or is he stuck with that palm?

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Speaker 3: Reading George, as they say, fifty percent of the battle

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Speaker 3: is knowing what the battle is. And so in a

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Speaker 3: feel like mine, people are coming to me to ask, Hey,

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Speaker 3: what am I doing wrong? What's happening here? I need

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Speaker 3: some insight. So if you let a person know what

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Speaker 3: the challenges are and what the difficulties are and how

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Speaker 3: that's fifty percent right there, and people can overcome their

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Speaker 3: to to move forward. So it's easy actually to let

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit more difficult if someone, let's say,

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Speaker 3: want you to read my friends and and you may

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Speaker 3: kind of look at them, but they're not really ready

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Speaker 3: they want to know how to move forward.

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Speaker 2: What if somebody takes your advice changes and it works

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Speaker 2: look at their palm, the poms haven't changed. How do

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Speaker 2: you know that whatever they've done is the right thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a wonderful question. You can see the changes

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Speaker 3: happened to me years ago, where I met a person

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Speaker 3: And he said, I'll never do that. That's not what

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Speaker 3: all right, all right. Well, five or sixth later he

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Speaker 3: And I said, okay, what happened? He said, I'm sick

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Speaker 3: So these are the things that you see, not everybody

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Speaker 3: don't see that anymore. So it's very common to see

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Speaker 3: someone who, let's say, is a singer in a rock

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Speaker 3: At forty they open up their own record recording studio.

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Speaker 3: You know that type of thing. So these changes are

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