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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Nolah.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
Speaker 1: our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
Speaker 1: you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't
Speaker 1: want you to know. Oh, folks, we're still catching up
Speaker 1: with some jet lag. At least one of us was
Speaker 1: running late to tonight's recording. But we return with some
Speaker 1: fresh baked Strange News and yeah, and Matt wanted to
Speaker 1: do a quick behind the scenes check in here. Earlier,
Speaker 1: we were talking about meth in watermelon, and I had
Speaker 1: mentioned that we said it on a recording of Strange News,
Speaker 1: when in fact we had not. It was this episode
Speaker 1: that we were going to mention it on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those melons, Man, weird fruit has been going
Speaker 2: around and we talked about it a whole bunch in
Speaker 2: an episode that just came out, So check that out
Speaker 2: if you haven't listened to it yet. But these fake melons.
Speaker 2: Do you want to do you want to give a
Speaker 2: quick update on what they are been.
Speaker 1: Well, they're definitely not watermelons. They are, in fact meth amphetamine.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, are you saying watermelons is methamphetamine? Are
Speaker 3: these interchangeable?
Speaker 4: No way, these.
Speaker 1: Things are not interchangeable, which is why law enforcement is
Speaker 1: a little bit myfed Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're myfed.
Speaker 3: Are these are the ones that look like weird watermelon
Speaker 3: and shaped Christmas presents?
Speaker 2: Is that yah? Okay goo Google, Yes, it's painted paper
Speaker 2: made to look like a watermelon, but it's just got
Speaker 2: methan there, m h And.
Speaker 3: I guess that's our cold open.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's it.
Speaker 2: And we've returned and today we are traveling to a
Speaker 2: place called Idaho Springs, Colorado.
Speaker 4: What that doesn't make any sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I won't allow it. Remember Miamisburg, there
Speaker 2: was in some other far flung.
Speaker 1: Share they shout out, Well, this is Long Island.
Speaker 3: City is also not like in Long Island. Sorry, carry on.
Speaker 2: Oh nuts. Well, Idaho Springs, Colorado is roughly thirty two
Speaker 2: miles due west of Denver, Colorado, and we're going there
Speaker 2: to explore a very recent and fast moving homicide case.
Speaker 2: But before we get to the story, let's role play
Speaker 2: for just a second. Guys. I'm curious to know what
Speaker 2: y'all would do in this situation that I'm about to describe,
Speaker 2: and then I'll tell you what I would do too,
Speaker 2: and we'll just talk about maybe what all of us
Speaker 2: should do in this kind of situation. So just imagine
Speaker 2: that you guys didn't hear from me all day right
Speaker 2: then I just didn't show up for a recording session,
Speaker 2: and then still for twenty four hours after that time,
Speaker 2: you didn't hear from me. I wasn't communicating on any
Speaker 2: of the channels we usually talk on, and you just
Speaker 2: couldn't get a hold of me. What would you do?
Speaker 3: I would call a family member, a sibling, anyone that
Speaker 3: I had the information, the closest person to you.
Speaker 4: That is what I would immediately do.
Speaker 1: I would probably do the same while moving to your
Speaker 1: last known physical location.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point there. That's one of the
Speaker 2: things that I think I would do, seriously, where I
Speaker 2: would go to where I thought the person was, if
Speaker 2: it was one of you guys, where I thought you
Speaker 2: were a last right, that's without having any kind of
Speaker 2: technological like ability to see somebody like if we because
Speaker 2: we're well as of right now, we're not sharing our
Speaker 2: locations with each other. I know a lot of people
Speaker 2: do that with like close.
Speaker 3: Friends, come on, family, I do it with my kid.
Speaker 3: I think it's important for Yeah, yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 1: That part I get. But it's like we don't have
Speaker 1: air tags.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just learning a lot
Speaker 2: about that, especially at least from what I've heard, women
Speaker 2: will share their location with like a trusted close friend
Speaker 2: if they're ever going out right and it's just boom,
Speaker 2: that's the way you can find me, if you got
Speaker 2: to find.
Speaker 3: Me, Matt, Can I ask what point would you escalate
Speaker 3: it to moving toward the location? Like, I don't think
Speaker 3: you would do that just having not heard from somebody
Speaker 3: for a couple of hours, just wondering.
Speaker 2: A couple of hours. Probably not. We have actually a
Speaker 2: mutual friend who happens to work at iHeart that has
Speaker 2: this tendency. This person isn't here immediately, but this person
Speaker 2: will go in communicado for like forty eight hours. We're talking,
Speaker 2: texting and calling, and it's just because this person is like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not dealing with that until it's time for whatever
Speaker 2: the next thing is that I need to deal with,
Speaker 2: and it it has in the past been a thing
Speaker 2: where I'm I have driven to a very far away
Speaker 2: place to make sure that person is alive.
Speaker 3: I know exactly who you're talking I think I need too.
Speaker 3: But isn't it funny, though, how that expectation of immediate
Speaker 3: response has become a thing.
Speaker 1: I think it really does. It's not the way humans
Speaker 1: should work. When you have the red receipts on stuff?
Speaker 3: Oh god, what psychotics leave those off?
Speaker 1: First of all, yeah, thank you, I our friends I
Speaker 1: don't like actually see it.
Speaker 3: Stop?
Speaker 4: Why do you respond that you hate me?
Speaker 3: I go from why are you responding to you hate me?
Speaker 4: In two steps.
Speaker 1: So here we are. You've gone missing. You're not just
Speaker 1: twenty minutes late to a recording like Ben Bullen the
Speaker 1: jet lag. You are forty eight hours gone.
Speaker 2: Just missing essentially, at least electronically. So let's say it's
Speaker 2: two full days where you haven't heard from me, and
Speaker 2: you do decide I'm going to go to his last
Speaker 2: known location. You come to my house and when you
Speaker 2: when you roll up, you realize, oh, the door appears
Speaker 2: to be kicked in you step in drops dude, I
Speaker 2: mean everything in the house appears to have been gone through, tossed,
Speaker 2: like drawers are empty.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: It's a ransacking, yes, exactly, terrifying. And then you notice, wait,
Speaker 2: Meadows now here, Matt's dog isn't even at the house.
Speaker 3: Matt would never put Meadow in jeopardy. That is not
Speaker 3: mondo red flag.
Speaker 2: Well, what's the move?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Just call the cops woof?
Speaker 1: I mean like hypothetically, or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get a portfile. That's a big deal. That's evidence
Speaker 3: of mouthfeasance.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Have to at that point. Sadly, the role players would
Speaker 1: have to immediately contact authorities or a third party, because
Speaker 1: if you stumble across that scene and you are the
Speaker 1: first on the scene, oh boy, and you don't document it,
Speaker 1: you are also becoming the number one suspect and you
Speaker 1: become spirits.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. That's a really good point. Well,
Speaker 2: what happens if you do that very thing and a
Speaker 2: sheriff's deputy comes out to check out the situation, But
Speaker 2: since there's no sign of me, the severity of the
Speaker 2: situation isn't really felt at the sheriff's office. The whole
Speaker 2: missing person's thing kind of goes into effect. But what
Speaker 2: if it takes two full days for anyone to organize
Speaker 2: any kind of search for again me in this case,
Speaker 2: but just your missing friend. You can't get the police
Speaker 2: or the sheriffs to act for two more full days.
Speaker 1: That's rough because that also, I'm glad you're bringing this up.
Speaker 1: This reminds me of the common myth in copaganda shows,
Speaker 1: the idea that one must wait twenty four hours to
Speaker 1: report a missing person totally not true, by the way, folks.
Speaker 1: In fact, that twenty four hour time window is the
Speaker 1: best chance, it's the best series of hours you will
Speaker 1: have to find a missing human individual.
Speaker 3: Oh they say that on cop shows too, though on
Speaker 3: kidnapping situations they always say that's the most crucial window
Speaker 3: of time. So sort of contradict themselves a little bit.
Speaker 3: But Matt, I mean, given the scene, surely that'd be
Speaker 3: enough to get folks acting.
Speaker 2: It seems like it, right, And as we get into
Speaker 2: the fine details of the story, I think you will
Speaker 2: see why. It appears to be a no brainer that
Speaker 2: something very bad happened at this house that we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about to this person we're talking about before
Speaker 2: we get into it quick. Note, this story takes place
Speaker 2: in time exactly well, let's say approximately one week before.
Speaker 2: We record this episode on Wednesday, August twenty eighth, so
Speaker 2: there are may be a few updates by the time
Speaker 2: you hear it. If there are major updates, we'll try
Speaker 2: and include them in some kind of a dendum at
Speaker 2: the end of the story if we need to. But
Speaker 2: here we go. This thing we're describing here happened to
Speaker 2: a man named Paul Peevey and his friend Bruce Boynton.
Speaker 2: Bruce hadn't heard from Paul in two days, and this
Speaker 2: was on Monday, August nineteenth, all the way till August
Speaker 2: twenty first of this year, so he was starting to
Speaker 2: get really worried. Bruce went to Paul's house to check
Speaker 2: on him, and he found Paul's house to be ransacked.
Speaker 2: He believed immediately that Paul had been the victim of
Speaker 2: some kind of foul play. This is a quote that
Speaker 2: Bruce gave to CBS Denver. He said it was obvious
Speaker 2: he found the house ransacked, and in the case of
Speaker 2: Paul Peeve, I remember I mentioned my dog being gone.
Speaker 2: How that was weird. Paul Pevy runs a dog breeding
Speaker 2: company called Elite European Doberman's and he had ten puppies,
Speaker 2: ten Doberman puppies staying at his place. They were with him,
Speaker 2: they were part of his company, part of you know,
Speaker 2: what he does for a living, but they're also under
Speaker 2: his care. Ten puppies were missing from the home as
Speaker 2: well as Paul. Paul was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1: Now, quick question, Matt, question, our fellow conspiracy realist will
Speaker 1: be asking as well. Are the puppies microchip?
Speaker 2: They are so? And then that's gonna lead us down
Speaker 2: the tracks there towards the end of like how do
Speaker 2: we actually find out what happened or who maybe ransacked
Speaker 2: the house and took the puppies and are those the
Speaker 2: same people? And then also what happened to Paul Well
Speaker 2: on August twenty first, that's a Wednesday, when Bruce went
Speaker 2: to Paul's house found at ransacked. He called the police.
Speaker 2: A deputy was sent to the property the next day,
Speaker 2: on August twenty second, to check it out, and he
Speaker 2: saw the same things that Bruce saw in Paul's house.
Speaker 2: And then, guys, it took two days to organize some
Speaker 2: kind of party or to actually have a group of
Speaker 2: officers out there to search in any way for Paul.
Speaker 1: That's a long delay.
Speaker 2: And once that search began, it took three or four
Speaker 2: minutes before they discovered Paul's body on his own property
Speaker 2: where the deputy had been, where his friend had been
Speaker 2: looking around.
Speaker 3: Wow, like buried under like some of the stuff that
Speaker 3: had been ransacked.
Speaker 2: Like, No, he was partially buried on the property somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yes, like the definition of shallow grave. Someone just threw
Speaker 1: some stuff over a corpse.
Speaker 3: I say, bold, that's not it's like a compliment that
Speaker 3: is just cold and pretty desperate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it does appear to be a homicide pretty
Speaker 2: much for sure. Those puppies. Oh and we should mention
Speaker 2: here Paul Peve is fifty seven years old, or was
Speaker 2: fifty seven years old at the time of this passing,
Speaker 2: and he's been doing this for quite a while that
Speaker 2: you can go to the website for Elite Europeandoberman's dot
Speaker 2: com and check out you know, the dogs and the
Speaker 2: business and kind of who this person was and where
Speaker 2: they're where it all was taking place, and you see
Speaker 2: pictures of Paul winning awards for the animals that he
Speaker 2: was bringing into the world and selling, but giving to
Speaker 2: other people for you know, to have a beautiful animal.
Speaker 2: It's just I don't know, it's kind of a sweet thing.
Speaker 2: I know there are issues with breeding of all various animals.
Speaker 1: But clearly is it running a puppy mill. No. And
Speaker 1: I appreciate you bringing up the age there, Matt, because
Speaker 1: that may have played a part in law enforcements obvious
Speaker 1: delay in investigating this, because, let's be honest, you know,
Speaker 1: if it was if it was a nine year old child,
Speaker 1: if it was maybe a person who had other people
Speaker 1: living with them, perhaps the investigators would have been a
Speaker 1: little bit more pro act. I feel like that's a
Speaker 1: fair point to bring up. This is a fifty seven
Speaker 1: year old man who appears to at least from what
Speaker 1: I understand, appears to have lived on his own.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm seeing too, So I guess maybe they
Speaker 2: thought something else could be going on. I just maybe
Speaker 2: I still just don't understand no matter what, Like if
Speaker 2: there's a missing person, you've got a friend that's super concerned,
Speaker 2: and then the house looks like that, right, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't care how old that person is. If you're
Speaker 2: a deputy, you immediately sound an alarm, be like, yo,
Speaker 2: something's wrong, guys.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent kind of speaks to the somewhat I
Speaker 3: don't know, times frustrating nature of law enforcement, where like,
Speaker 3: it's also really difficult to report a stalker because until
Speaker 3: they've done something, you know, actionable quote unquote, that's they
Speaker 3: haven't actually broken the law, but you're sort of seeing
Speaker 3: this behavior and fearing for your life. And while they
Speaker 3: maybe haven't done anything yet doesn't mean they're not going to,
Speaker 3: but you're helpless to do anything about it until they've
Speaker 3: hurt you. It's just, I don't know, just another example
Speaker 3: of things that sometimes maybe the threshold for a police
Speaker 3: intervening is a little high.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, innocent civilian, you cannot report the crime that
Speaker 1: is about to happen. You can only report a crime
Speaker 1: after it has occurred. Hope it's not fatal. Call us back.
Speaker 2: But also, please do not pre crime us. Everybody.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, please style to for pre crime.
Speaker 2: So let's get back to the microchips thing you mentioned, Ben,
Speaker 2: that's really important. You can go to the Clear Creek
Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Offices Facebook page, seriously, and you can see
Speaker 2: a post there that was made by whoever the admin
Speaker 2: is there, and they are talking about this case. They're
Speaker 2: noting that there was another Colorado Springs Doberman Puppies like
Speaker 2: Craigslist ad that went out and just noting to everybody
Speaker 2: who's paying attention to it, that is a separate business
Speaker 2: and has nothing to do with these Doberman puppies, at
Speaker 2: least from what they can tell. The people who made
Speaker 2: that ad and who run that business were cooperative with
Speaker 2: the investigation. Doesn't appear to be related the micro chipped puppies. Again,
Speaker 2: they're thinking around ten of them may have already been sold,
Speaker 2: or a few of them have already been sold through
Speaker 2: the website that was run there Elite European Doberman's that's
Speaker 2: Paul's business, so they may have been sold in this
Speaker 2: weird little time window that happened just before he went
Speaker 2: in Communicado and missing. So they're asking everybody who purchased
Speaker 2: one of these Doberman's to reach out and talk to
Speaker 2: them so they can at least get eyes on and
Speaker 2: hear from individuals who purchased a puppy. The other puppies
Speaker 2: that are missing hopefully can be eventually tracked down when
Speaker 2: whoever is responsible for this gets desperate to either sell
Speaker 2: one or put it through a system somewhere, and somebody
Speaker 2: takes it in for the first time to a vet
Speaker 2: maybe something like that. But for now, at least as
Speaker 2: of today, Wednesday, August twenty eighth, it appears that the
Speaker 2: trail is a bit cold, at least from the forward
Speaker 2: facing Facebook page of the Clear Creek County Sheriff's office.
Speaker 2: One more thing to add here, guys, the Clear Creek
Speaker 2: County Sheriff has officially publicly apologized for the amount of
Speaker 2: time it took to search for Paul, like as a
Speaker 2: missing person. You can check out nine News. That's at
Speaker 2: least where I found it. They have a YouTube page
Speaker 2: and they have a video titled Clear Creek County Sheriff
Speaker 2: apologizes after community finds missing Idaho Springs man dead and
Speaker 2: that's talking about Paul, and you can read it or
Speaker 2: you can hear. You can actually watch and hear the
Speaker 2: apology if you wish there, guys, I don't really have
Speaker 2: anything else on this one besides let's keep looking out
Speaker 2: for information about this, and let's also think about I
Speaker 2: don't know, are there ways that we can in I'm
Speaker 2: sure that one of us would know if something was wrong,
Speaker 2: other than just having to be in communicato with somebody
Speaker 2: for x amount of time before one of us gets
Speaker 2: up and actually looks.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a way that's not intrusive but also keep
Speaker 2: us more safe.
Speaker 1: Perhaps this is inspiration for an episode. That's part of
Speaker 1: the reason we do Strange News as a weekly segment.
Speaker 1: One thing that would be very helpful is the establishment
Speaker 1: of check in times. Honestly, if you have someone in
Speaker 1: your life who may be elderly or maybe on or
Speaker 1: off various grids, it's also helpful as very easy opsect
Speaker 1: in a world of spoof phone calls and weird text
Speaker 1: It's also very helpful to have some sort of code
Speaker 1: phrase and very easy to deploy.
Speaker 3: Apparently Adam Sandler calls Rob Schneider every single week without fail.
Speaker 4: Good to have a friend like Adam Sandler in your life.
Speaker 2: If you have a regular phone call, I think we
Speaker 2: talked about that before, or some kind of regular meeting thing. Again,
Speaker 2: like I use these recordings as an example because it's
Speaker 2: one of the most regular occurring things that I have
Speaker 2: in my life.
Speaker 4: In all of our lives, I think probably.
Speaker 2: So yeah, something like that is good. But Ben, I like,
Speaker 2: I like your point of a code word. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: So if you ever did get in touch with one
Speaker 2: of your friends and something was wrong, you could use
Speaker 2: that word and then no one on the line would
Speaker 2: know about you.
Speaker 4: Two.
Speaker 3: Me and my kid have a code emoji that anytime
Speaker 3: they're out of sleepover or some social thing and they
Speaker 3: get overwhelmed or they don't want to be there but
Speaker 3: they don't want to say they want to leave, they
Speaker 3: text me this emoji, and I know I need to
Speaker 3: make it my fault, so I like tell them that
Speaker 3: they're in trouble because they didn't do something and that
Speaker 3: they're getting picked up because they have to come home.
Speaker 3: It's different but similar, but it is a very specific
Speaker 3: emoji that no one else to use. And this it
Speaker 3: also applied to any sort of obviously unsafe situation.
Speaker 2: Well that's it for this segment, guys. We'll be right
Speaker 2: back with more strange news. This just in we've got
Speaker 2: some news. We are recording this on Saturday, August thirty first.
Speaker 2: As of Friday, August thirtieth, the AP News has announced,
Speaker 2: along with a lot of other news outlets, that a
Speaker 2: man has been arrested in connection with the death of
Speaker 2: Paul Peevie that we've just been discussing. They've arrested a
Speaker 2: man named Sergio Ferrer. Apparently this guy, Sergio was arrested
Speaker 2: on August twenty fourth, just a few hours after the
Speaker 2: body of Paul Peevey was discovered, and he was arrested
Speaker 2: on a completely unrelated charge having to do with an
Speaker 2: arrest warrant because he failed to appear in court Nebraska
Speaker 2: on a weapons charge. So this guy is sitting there
Speaker 2: in prison, and then the Sheriff's office, working with a
Speaker 2: bunch of other law enforcement agencies, found enough evidence to
Speaker 2: charge this man with first degree felony murder and aggravated
Speaker 2: robbery in connection with the death of Paul Peevey. Now
Speaker 2: keep in mind, while this man is under arrest and
Speaker 2: he is charged with these crimes, he is innocent until
Speaker 2: he has proven guilty via evidence and a court or
Speaker 2: you know all that stuff. Oh last thing, the puppies
Speaker 2: haven't been found yet. Gosh, that's crushing news. I know
Speaker 2: it was for me. Sorry to report that, but if
Speaker 2: you hear anything about the puppies, if you see anything,
Speaker 2: definitely let somebody know. We can't give up looking for
Speaker 2: these puppies after an hour. We haven't put up posters
Speaker 2: or anything. We've just been sitting around on our porches
Speaker 2: like goons and waiting. We all got to think these
Speaker 2: are all of our pets. We got a responsibility if
Speaker 2: these dogs are lost, and they are, we don't look
Speaker 2: for an hour and call it quits. We get our
Speaker 2: asses out there and we find these fucking dogs. Yes,
Speaker 2: that was a reference specifically for Adam Sandler in case
Speaker 2: heverhears this, but it's also serious. Let's find these. So
Speaker 2: there's your update. We'll keep looking for more and let
Speaker 2: us know if you find anything after hearing this, We'll
Speaker 2: be right back with more strange news.
Speaker 3: And we're back with another piece of strange news. This
Speaker 3: is kind of a two prong story. It involves two
Speaker 3: organizations that we talk about relatively frequently. One maybe we've
Speaker 3: talked about a bit more frequently and not for particularly
Speaker 3: good reasons, NASA and Boeing. You may have heard the
Speaker 3: news that's astronauts, Butch Williams and Sunny Williams are getting
Speaker 3: a little more than they bargained for in terms of
Speaker 3: their time and space. They were intended to visit the
Speaker 3: International Space Station for a ten day mission testing out.
Speaker 3: It's my understanding some of the potential vulnerabilities of this
Speaker 3: Boeing spacecraft called the star Liner, Well, it turns out
Speaker 3: there were, indeed some pretty significant vulnerabilities. Are at the
Speaker 3: very least issues technical issues because the thrusters of the
Speaker 3: star Liner failed, and now because of reasons that we'll
Speaker 3: get into, many of which are obvious, the logistics of
Speaker 3: it all. What was once a ten day mission is
Speaker 3: now potentially going to be months and months, I believe
Speaker 3: upwards of eight months. They're going to be quote unquote
Speaker 3: stuck in space. Not quite the same as being lost
Speaker 3: in space.
Speaker 4: We know where they are.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this pretty abysmal performance by another Boeing product
Speaker 3: seems to be at fault here. Did you follow this
Speaker 3: story and have you heard much about this star Liner project.
Speaker 3: It's my understanding that it's had problems since its inception,
Speaker 3: like for many years, some.
Speaker 4: Of which was software related. Now obviously this is quite
Speaker 4: hardware related.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been talking with a couple of conspiracy realist
Speaker 1: about this on email. In particular, we want to start
Speaker 1: with a shout out to the astronauts themselves. Barry Wilmore
Speaker 1: and Sanita Williams. These astronauts fortunately are veterans in that
Speaker 1: literal rarefied air. This is not their first rodeo by
Speaker 1: any means. In fact, Sanita Williams in particular holds several
Speaker 1: records for things like marathons in space. These folks, if
Speaker 1: you had to pick two experts to survive in space,
Speaker 1: you'd be hard pressed to find two better people than
Speaker 1: these individuals. So luckily they're doing a bang up job.
Speaker 1: But also we see that this has been called an
Speaker 1: embarrassment by Boeing. Oh absolutely, the folks at NASA are
Speaker 1: the folks at NASA are making the right call there.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent in a streak of you know, continuous embarrassments,
Speaker 3: you know that resulted in the CEO stepping down. And
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just been an absolute abysmal year for Boeing.
Speaker 3: And this certainly doesn't add any you know, positive spin
Speaker 3: to the string of Boeing debacles. And it also isn't
Speaker 3: a particularly great look for NASA, who, since suspending their
Speaker 3: space Shuttle program back in twenty eleven, have been trying
Speaker 3: to get it back off the ground. For lack of
Speaker 3: a better term, that isn't quite so plenty. Another additional
Speaker 3: embarrassment is that the private sector is actually having to
Speaker 3: step in in order to let's I don't know, I
Speaker 3: think the word rescue is maybe a little hyperbolic here,
Speaker 3: but SpaceX is sending their Dragon spacecraft to shuttle the stuck.
Speaker 4: Astronauts back home.
Speaker 3: And just to be clear, the astronauts Barry Butch Wilmore
Speaker 3: and Sanita Sunny Williams have been on the ISS since
Speaker 3: June for that eight day mission, which obviously.
Speaker 4: Already well past that window of time.
Speaker 3: And guys, I just have to say, we just had
Speaker 3: a little bit of a talk off mic just to
Speaker 3: kind of help clarify some things. Is it really as
Speaker 3: dumb and as simple as they're needing to wait this
Speaker 3: many months because SpaceX doesn't have a flight scheduled until then,
Speaker 3: And Ben, you pointed out to me it is in
Speaker 3: fact every bit as dumb and as simple as that.
Speaker 3: And you, guys, I believe the troubled Starliner is going
Speaker 3: to be I guess, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 3: space toad back to Earth by Boeing to be examined
Speaker 3: to see what the hell went wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, that is a pretty expensive flight to go get
Speaker 2: two passengers, don't you think sending a rocket up no
Speaker 2: matter who made it, no matter how advanced the tech is.
Speaker 3: I do sometimes forget how ludicrously expensive these flights are
Speaker 3: and how they have to take into account every bit
Speaker 3: of weight, you know, of every bit of the payload
Speaker 3: of whatever they're bringing or bringing back, and it is
Speaker 3: absolutely mission critical that that is adhered to, you know.
Speaker 4: For safety reasons, for safety and financial reasons.
Speaker 3: So while we maybe don't have an exact number of
Speaker 3: what that flight is going to cost, in the past,
Speaker 3: we've looked at the budgets for these kind of flights
Speaker 3: and they are often in the millions, right, I mean
Speaker 3: just in terms of like one of these flights, So
Speaker 3: it's it's nothing to sneeze at. So the fact that
Speaker 3: they're having to wait that long, because we know SpaceX
Speaker 3: has had some issues in the past as well, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're planning for a big launch, a big show,
Speaker 3: and they want to make sure everything you know, goes
Speaker 3: off as planned without a hitch, and so they're not
Speaker 3: going to rush this. And apparently to your point, Ben,
Speaker 3: the astronauts are not like outwardly angry about it, and
Speaker 3: I believe it's going to involve some sort of record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we do know. I appreciate you pointing out
Speaker 1: the fact that no outer space human engineered enterprise has
Speaker 1: gotten things one hundred percent correct. It's just impossible at
Speaker 1: this point. It is also very expensive, and with great
Speaker 1: respect to the professionals involved on ground and in space.
Speaker 1: When you guys are talking about the cost of these launches,
Speaker 1: I kept having that line from the Heath Ledger Joker
Speaker 1: playing in my head. It's not about money, it's about
Speaker 1: sending a message.
Speaker 3: Sure, so that's appropriate here, I think, sure, I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's appropriate, but well, it's wildly it's appropriately inappropriate,
Speaker 3: and I think it's a I think it totally lands jeez,
Speaker 3: can't not make funds because words, you know, mean different things.
Speaker 3: But I think this is a really interesting story and
Speaker 3: the fact, I do think maybe the most interesting part
Speaker 3: of this is that it hasn't been reported so much
Speaker 3: as another Boeing up. It's it's much more about these
Speaker 3: astronauts are stuck in space and the sort of hyperbolic,
Speaker 3: you know, notion of astronauts being stuck in space. So
Speaker 3: I don't know if Boeing pr is working overtime and
Speaker 3: a little bit in the spin zone. But I have
Speaker 3: not seen Boeing front and center much in this store,
Speaker 3: at least in the reporting that I've seen, and I
Speaker 3: do have to wonder if that's a product of any
Speaker 3: clever media, you know, manipulation.
Speaker 2: We talked about this a little bit before. It is
Speaker 2: a fully separate segment of the company bull that, right,
Speaker 2: which would have to be different entities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, still it's the name it It's not doing so
Speaker 3: hot overall.
Speaker 2: But the major problem with Boeing the airline company is
Speaker 2: that they outsource all of those different parts, right, that
Speaker 2: then get manufactured and far flowing parts of the world,
Speaker 2: which are then brought together in a factory somewhere where
Speaker 2: actual facts. Boeing employees generally put together those pieces, and
Speaker 2: they're finding that the pieces don't fit so.
Speaker 3: Good, right, And I mean, I'm a perfect example of
Speaker 3: how easy it is to throw the baby out with
Speaker 3: the bathwater.
Speaker 4: When you hear stories about.
Speaker 3: Boeing at large having all of these technical problems, and
Speaker 3: you hear about a Boeing spacecraft having technical problems, and
Speaker 3: you immediately put it together that yes, one thing is
Speaker 3: related to another. So while that may not be the case.
Speaker 3: It certainly isn't the best pr opportunity here for Boeing.
Speaker 3: Obviously no one was hurt, but surely it's going to
Speaker 3: be incredibly expensive to tow this thing or to get
Speaker 3: this thing back to Earth. As mentioned previously in terms
Speaker 3: of how these kind of missions can just balloon manned
Speaker 3: or unmanned. And there's a really great article in the
Speaker 3: Conversation about the kind of history of this project and
Speaker 3: apparently it's been.
Speaker 4: A bit troubled for about a decade.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's the Boeing partnership with NASA went back
Speaker 3: to the very beginning of the space program, you know,
Speaker 3: back from Marin or ten and the early Shuttle program.
Speaker 3: But this particular project has been in the works for
Speaker 3: about ten years and has faced multiple issues getting functional.
Speaker 3: And to your point, Ben, these kind of setbacks are
Speaker 3: part and parcel of you know, exploring the outer reaches
Speaker 3: of space.
Speaker 1: So yeah, unfortunately, you can't make a you can't make
Speaker 1: an automobile without risking the possibility of car accidents. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's one way to put it.
Speaker 2: Futurism points out something really interesting, and that is that
Speaker 2: when they're sending it back as you said, Ben unmanned right,
Speaker 2: They're sending the entire capsule and the whole thing back Sunliner.
Speaker 2: The star Liner. As it re enters, it is going
Speaker 2: to separate from the thrusters, the propulsion systems of the
Speaker 2: crew to cabin and the propulsion system. The propulsion system
Speaker 2: is what got all those gas leaks, and that is
Speaker 2: the reason that they couldn't send the astronauts back on
Speaker 2: the system. But as it separates, guess what it crashes
Speaker 2: into the burns up mostly as it's going through the atmosphere,
Speaker 2: so nobody can do any forensics on the thing. So
Speaker 2: nobody can know exactly what went wrong so they can
Speaker 2: fix it for the next time.
Speaker 4: That's a sticky situation.
Speaker 1: They also don't know for sure that things will go wrong.
Speaker 1: There are some fascinating quotes that may or may not
Speaker 1: reassure you, fellow groundwalkers. Let's go to There was a
Speaker 1: conversation like a press club conversation with Steve Stitch, the
Speaker 1: Commercial Crew program manager of NASA, and this is how
Speaker 1: Stitch described or portrayed NASA and Boeing's relationship called it
Speaker 1: quote just a little disagreement in terms of the level
Speaker 1: of risk. It depends on how you evaluate risk. We
Speaker 1: did it a little differently with our crew than Boeing
Speaker 1: did so Primarily, what they're doing is keeping these astronauts
Speaker 1: safe while avoiding the possibility of something going horribly wrong. Right,
Speaker 1: there are so many redundancies baked in. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of news saying Boeing is, you know, air quotes humiliated
Speaker 1: or embarrassed. But everybody's making the right call.
Speaker 3: I would agree, and again, like the astronauts in question
Speaker 3: are not at the very least outwardly griping to the press.
Speaker 4: You know about this so.
Speaker 3: Seems like something of a non issue, but it is interesting,
Speaker 3: and I think part of the interesting thing about it
Speaker 3: that I mentioned earlier is the way it's being reported on.
Speaker 3: It just kind of really puts in the focus the
Speaker 3: kind of hyperbolic nature of these types of headlines is
Speaker 3: the notion that astronauts are stuck in space and that
Speaker 3: it's ruining everything, you know. I just think that's it
Speaker 3: does encourage one to read past the headlines. I would
Speaker 3: say a little bit, as we always try to do
Speaker 3: here on strange news, on stuff they don't want you
Speaker 3: to know.
Speaker 1: I do like this idea your taking though nol. You
Speaker 1: should write an article entirely blaming the astronauts. You know,
Speaker 1: I love this idea. Privileged but whole astronauts waste space. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it give me just speaking sound like fire festival somehow.
Speaker 3: That is what the is is is. Basically, it's just
Speaker 3: a floating space bound fire festival.
Speaker 1: Let's go, Let's do a full anti astronaut show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure we can get the busses to pay
Speaker 3: for Well, that's all for now. Let's take a quick
Speaker 3: break here, work more sponsors, and then come back with
Speaker 3: one more piece of strange news.
Speaker 1: And we have returned, folks, not just with you and
Speaker 1: thank you as always for joining us, but to space.
Speaker 1: Something interesting happened quite recently. The nation of China has
Speaker 1: produced enormous quantities of water using lunar soil. We're talking
Speaker 1: about moon juice is how I'd like to refer to
Speaker 1: it as a piece of technical nomenclature. If sustainable, reproducible,
Speaker 1: this will solve one of the big problems with the
Speaker 1: idea of life on the moon, with creating a population
Speaker 1: of literal lunatics. We've known for some time that the
Speaker 1: Moon does harbor the possibility of potable water. We talked
Speaker 1: about it in recent evenings, the idea of life on
Speaker 1: the moon in subterranean little Heidi holes. Right, returning back
Speaker 1: to the trogoldic trends of earlier humans, I don't know.
Speaker 1: First off, since we role played in the beginning this evening,
Speaker 1: i'd like to role play here again. If you guys
Speaker 1: were offered a job as water miners on the moon,
Speaker 1: how much would you have to be paid per year?
Speaker 3: That's tough, I mean, because you'd have to be gone
Speaker 3: a long time.
Speaker 4: It would have to be really, really worthwhile for your family. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would argue you might.
Speaker 3: They might target people who were in dire straits who
Speaker 3: really needed it bad.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Smarter people than me are going
Speaker 3: to do that calculation, and it's going to benefit the
Speaker 3: smarter people.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you that upfront.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I was qualified to do it, and I
Speaker 2: had some science background and I didn't have a family,
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty four thousand dollars a.
Speaker 3: Year seems legit, but probably honestly.
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know. That seems like a lot to me, okay.
Speaker 1: But also, I mean, given given the circumstances, you outlined.
Speaker 3: You're a supervisor though for that salary, right, you're leading
Speaker 3: the freaking expedition.
Speaker 1: And then you're a digger. He's a moonline boy.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Are they paying for your housing?
Speaker 3: You know, Robert, heinline is to be believed, one would,
Speaker 3: one would, one would.
Speaker 1: Hope, right, so they're they're also, in that case, hopefully
Speaker 1: paying for your food at this point. Or maybe you
Speaker 1: wash up there and it's indentured servitude.
Speaker 4: Firefest all over again.
Speaker 3: You got a piece of white bread and some withered
Speaker 3: lettuce for your one meal a day.
Speaker 1: You say, gosh, I'm thirsty, and they say, well, get
Speaker 1: to the mind, get to the toilet.
Speaker 3: Isn't for you, This is for the rich people on
Speaker 3: Earth in their biodomes.
Speaker 1: Oh that's you know, that reminds me the concept of
Speaker 1: resource extraction. There. You might be surprised, folks, to learn
Speaker 1: that countries creating the best coffee in the world, the
Speaker 1: people who actually live in those countries, for the most part,
Speaker 1: are drinking espresso, you know, instinct coffee, because who on
Speaker 1: Earth could afford this crazy expensive resource. And perhaps that
Speaker 1: that's what we'll get to here. After three years of
Speaker 1: in depth research and repeated reproducible processes. The Chinese government
Speaker 1: has confirmed there's a brand new method of using lunar soil,
Speaker 1: moon dust, moon dirt to produce large amounts of water.
Speaker 1: This is a game changer. You can read about it widely.
Speaker 1: One of the best sources here in the West is Reuters.
Speaker 1: China is aiming to set up what they call a
Speaker 1: basic station on the Moon by twenty thirty five. And
Speaker 1: I love that they're calling it a basic station.
Speaker 4: Do we get the deluxe station?
Speaker 1: Right? That's the idea. When do you get moon plus?
Speaker 4: You got a pasture for that? I guess.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into the science. How do you turn
Speaker 2: lunar soil into freaking water?
Speaker 3: I mean, is it a matter of extracting like trace
Speaker 3: amounts of moisture from huge volumes of soil.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the magic of belief.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute.
Speaker 2: Now, well, okay, according to what I'm looking at ben well,
Speaker 2: at least according to Reuter's, China's state broadcaster CCTV says
Speaker 2: that it's because there's a large amount of hydrogen that
Speaker 2: exists in the soil. Like I guess, naturally recurring hydrogen
Speaker 2: in lunar.
Speaker 4: Soils sciencing it up.
Speaker 2: Okay, so if you heat it very very high, you
Speaker 2: can probably add some oxygen to the mix somehow and
Speaker 2: get water I'm assuming.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What they found was you could take one unit
Speaker 1: of lunar soil and produce a pretty impressive output of
Speaker 1: potable water. So one like one British ton of soil
Speaker 1: can make minimum fifty kilograms of water, which maths out
Speaker 1: to the daily drinking water consumption of a crew of
Speaker 1: fifty people if they're not too thirsty.
Speaker 3: But like, one of the big problems we always run
Speaker 3: into back here on Earth and things that lead to
Speaker 3: potential water wars is that like we can't make more
Speaker 3: water like or it's two energy prohibitive, you know, cost
Speaker 3: prohibitive to desalinate like ocean water or whatever. So what
Speaker 3: is so unique about this hydrogen that we can't reproduce
Speaker 3: that here on Earth?
Speaker 1: It's or a question of the problem that they're solving
Speaker 1: here or what they're solving for is not the same
Speaker 1: problems we're solving for on Earth. The problem on Earth
Speaker 1: is totable safe water. How best to create that without
Speaker 1: also destroying the environment? Right, that's desalination technology is huge.
Speaker 1: But to your point, it is relatively impractical on Earth
Speaker 1: because there are other methods of ensuring clean water for
Speaker 1: the humans on the planet. They're just the boring stuff
Speaker 1: no one wants to do, like number one, conserve water
Speaker 1: or number two be a little nicer to the environment.
Speaker 1: People don't want to hear that. The problem that China
Speaker 1: is attempting to solve for on the Moon is to
Speaker 1: get past the great issue of supply chains. Water is
Speaker 1: please beat me here, doc, water is being cartoonishly heavy.
Speaker 1: If you have ever been hiking, if you have ever
Speaker 1: been in a situation where you have to carry around
Speaker 1: liquid water, you know it is super inconvenient. It's like
Speaker 1: realizing how many books you own when you have to
Speaker 1: move from one house to the next.
Speaker 3: So the problem that you're solving for is more like
Speaker 3: for creating water for people already in space in a
Speaker 3: practical way rather than having a transport it. So at scale,
Speaker 3: my question being, this would not be efficient on Earth.
Speaker 3: It could be done, but it just doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 3: and it wouldn't be like some grand scale solution to.
Speaker 4: Our water shortage problem.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's that's well put. It doesn't It doesn't
Speaker 1: solve the same problems that we have on Earth. If
Speaker 1: you are thinking through a long term occupation of the
Speaker 1: moon and you're allowing for all the human things, right,
Speaker 1: you want to solve stuff like radiation exposure by putting
Speaker 1: people underground, right beneath a healthy shield of rock, And
Speaker 1: then you want to solve for the water. The next
Speaker 1: thing is the food, right, how do you how do
Speaker 1: you get how do you get past that part? And
Speaker 1: then after that, I'm sure we'll get to sanitation issues.
Speaker 1: Where do people poop? What happens to their poop? Have
Speaker 1: you thought about the spell.
Speaker 2: And how do you reconstitute it to get some moisture,
Speaker 2: because you know, you imagine this is like having technology
Speaker 2: that is a soil to water microwave machine kind of
Speaker 2: thing that you put this you put a ton of
Speaker 2: soil in it, and you get one hundred bottles of
Speaker 2: water that are like what they they say, seventeen point
Speaker 2: six ounces or five hundred millimeters. So I mean, that's great.
Speaker 2: It's a magic machine that'll do that for the folks
Speaker 2: that are already up there. And you only got to
Speaker 2: send that machine one time out to the lunar surface, right,
Speaker 2: which is great, But in theory, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: The solar energy on the moon is going to be
Speaker 2: so nice to have though.
Speaker 1: Nice, nice set up foreshadowing. I love it. Also, if
Speaker 1: you need to support your local lunatics, right then what
Speaker 1: you'll do, I would argue, what you would do in
Speaker 1: the era of capitalism, is sell very expensive moon water.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You make it for peanuts
Speaker 1: up there, and then you charge like, what's the what
Speaker 1: is the fair price for a small bottle of moonwater
Speaker 1: for the type of folks you buy cyber trucks? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I'd say about the price of a bar
Speaker 3: of astronaut ice cream.
Speaker 4: That's what I paid for it.
Speaker 3: Now. It's definitely worth more than that. Asher and ice
Speaker 3: cream is pretty busting though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. I think we were all keeping that front
Speaker 1: of mind anytime we have a conversation about the moon. Matt,
Speaker 1: do you have some news about moonwater? No?
Speaker 2: I thought, Hey, a great name for moonwater would be
Speaker 2: Luna or Lunar or some I was trying to come
Speaker 2: up with a bottle of water from the moon name.
Speaker 2: But they've already it's all taken.
Speaker 1: It's done. Check out our Luna TikTok.
Speaker 3: Also till Neslie gets to the moon, then I'll Betsy'll
Speaker 3: be off.
Speaker 2: There's one called Aqua Luna moonwater, and it's just like
Speaker 2: alkaline water or something that looks super high in and expensive.
Speaker 3: Soon that'll be considered false advertising.
Speaker 1: We are getting into moonwater. That's what I'm persuaded by. Lake.
Speaker 1: I am convinced by the arguments here code named Doc.
Speaker 1: You have to be on board with us technically on
Speaker 1: this one. We also, if you like our long suffering
Speaker 1: super producer, are not persuaded by our initial pitch for moonwater,
Speaker 1: we have another thing we can sell you via our
Speaker 1: good friends at reflect Orbitals. Have you ever been walking
Speaker 1: around at night, you guys, and thought it's inconvenient to
Speaker 1: me that the passage of the Earth and the Sun
Speaker 1: doesn't obey my schedule all the time. And Matt's not
Speaker 1: solemnly here a couple of boffins at a place called
Speaker 1: reflect Orbitals want to build space mirrors to reflect sunlight
Speaker 1: onto solar panels at night. According to their official website,
Speaker 1: this is that that's their primary goal, right. They want
Speaker 1: to solve for the problem of solar energy. However, the
Speaker 1: reason they're in the news is because if everything works out,
Speaker 1: when the infrastructure they're proposing, you can pay for them
Speaker 1: to send sunlight to you, no matter what time of
Speaker 1: day it is, no matter where you are on this
Speaker 1: wide wide world.
Speaker 2: Can you, Ben, Can you confirm to me? I could
Speaker 2: not figure out if this was real or not. It
Speaker 2: seems so not real to me. I saw a viral
Speaker 2: video of some sort where a dude has an app
Speaker 2: and the like clicks on the app and then they
Speaker 2: look up in the sky and a giant light looked
Speaker 2: that looks like sunlight beans down on them and it's
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, and you're like what
Speaker 2: And it.
Speaker 3: Sounds like it's a cryptocurrency scam, like we're gonna send
Speaker 3: you some sunlight through your app.
Speaker 4: Like that's like the name of a cryptotoken something.
Speaker 1: Worse token for it.
Speaker 3: What is the deal though?
Speaker 4: Man? Is that?
Speaker 3: What's Matt? What Matt's described? I haven't seen this and
Speaker 3: this is news to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is fascinating And I love the points you
Speaker 1: guys are bringing up because first things first, that fancy video,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's just that it's a fancy video.
Speaker 1: It's intriguing, it's fun to watch, it is aspirational. How
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: And and part of the I'm describing it as such
Speaker 1: is due to multiple iterations of research by journalist, particularly
Speaker 1: Stan Schroeder over at Mashable, who note that when the
Speaker 1: CEO of this startup, Ben Noak, introduced this video to
Speaker 1: the world, he posted it on x and he in
Speaker 1: the video, which is inspirational, you see him using, as
Speaker 1: Matt described, an app to pinpoint a location, and then
Speaker 1: when he hits that, when he drops a pin right
Speaker 1: to go back to our earlier conversation, when he shares
Speaker 1: his location with the app, it appears that an actual
Speaker 1: physical beam of light hits him where he's standing with
Speaker 1: astonishing fidelity. Big if true. Cool cool cool. But in
Speaker 1: the near future, this, this level of I think specificity
Speaker 1: is still not something humans possess. You can't call a
Speaker 1: spotlight to you via via the communication of light through
Speaker 1: mirrors on that scale. Yet, however, you can do something like.
Speaker 2: It, well yeah, I mean on their website reflect orbital
Speaker 2: dot com. You can reserve a spot like you can
Speaker 2: say where you want sunlight to be. The duration is
Speaker 2: four minutes, the diameter is five kilometers, It's huge, and
Speaker 2: then delivery begins they say Q four twenty five. All
Speaker 2: you have to put in there is your name, your
Speaker 2: phone number, an email, the organization and why do you
Speaker 2: want to spot a sunshine at night? Pal?
Speaker 1: That's that's you got to answer that question, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: along with your social Security number list and no example.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just don't understand. What's the point of this?
Speaker 3: What is this is a gimmick? I don't I don't
Speaker 3: understand at all.
Speaker 2: Imagine. Imagine you're trying to like get a quick charge
Speaker 2: on some solar panels or something. Right, you do a
Speaker 2: spot of sunlight for I guess just a couple of
Speaker 2: four minutes.
Speaker 3: You rent it for, Like is it you pay by
Speaker 3: the minute?
Speaker 4: Like? Yeah, I don't, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: Well imagine also, maybe an earlier version of this, you're
Speaker 1: attempting to siege a stronghold of vampires, right of not
Speaker 1: straw to you need you need to ideally hit them
Speaker 1: during the day when they're weak, Right, But sometimes you
Speaker 1: get in situations and if you can get enough sunlight there,
Speaker 1: even for I would say four minutes is generous. If
Speaker 1: you get enough sunlight there, then you have a fighting chance.
Speaker 1: You just have to make sure you get the app.
Speaker 1: You know, you get the email sign up in advance
Speaker 1: braving a new world. So the thing that mystifies me
Speaker 1: about this, the reason I'm bringing it up here is
Speaker 1: vampire jokes aside, it's the it's showing us similar technology
Speaker 1: to cloud seating, to weather modification. Right, the idea of
Speaker 1: the idea of cloud seating is genuine. It is legitimate. However,
Speaker 1: it is pretty unspecific. Right. It led to disastrous things
Speaker 1: not too long ago. And maybe this sunlight app will
Speaker 1: be a boon to solve for the problems of solar
Speaker 1: energy generation. Maybe people will use it as a flex
Speaker 1: But that's where I'd like to end on this question.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think there will be in as you
Speaker 1: said Matt later in twenty twenty five, do you think
Speaker 1: there will be people who pay to have the sun
Speaker 1: at night?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I might do this. I would do this if
Speaker 2: I don't know how much it costs. This seems like
Speaker 2: a lot of fun, like just to prank your friends
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: It feels like an elden Ring spell I did think
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 2: Oh, or to propose or something. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: a light comes on in the sky and like whatever,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I could think of a million reasons
Speaker 2: to have like a four minute spotlight on you randomly
Speaker 2: in the dark.
Speaker 1: So moon juice is trash, but four minutes of out
Speaker 1: of season sunlight is pert hell.
Speaker 3: I mean Yeahea, Luna Juice and sunshine on demand and
Speaker 3: this sounds this does sound like Brave New World or
Speaker 3: something along those lines.
Speaker 1: And Oasis is getting back together, probably based entirely on
Speaker 1: this news, entirely on the moon juice research and reflect orbital.
Speaker 3: You know, Liam loves his moon juice.
Speaker 1: He's always talking about it. His Twitter is crazy. We've
Speaker 1: been speaking a little bit about this Oasis reunion off air.
Speaker 1: It is very much not conspiratorial, but it's definitely strange news.
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