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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of Iheartrading.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nolah.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Oh, folks, we're still catching up

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Speaker 1: with some jet lag. At least one of us was

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Speaker 1: running late to tonight's recording. But we return with some

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Speaker 1: fresh baked Strange News and yeah, and Matt wanted to

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Speaker 1: do a quick behind the scenes check in here. Earlier,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about meth in watermelon, and I had

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Speaker 1: mentioned that we said it on a recording of Strange News,

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Speaker 1: when in fact we had not. It was this episode

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Speaker 1: that we were going to mention it on.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those melons, Man, weird fruit has been going

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Speaker 2: around and we talked about it a whole bunch in

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Speaker 2: an episode that just came out, So check that out

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Speaker 2: if you haven't listened to it yet. But these fake melons.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to do you want to give a

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Speaker 2: quick update on what they are been.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're definitely not watermelons. They are, in fact meth amphetamine.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, are you saying watermelons is methamphetamine? Are

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Speaker 4: No way, these.

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Speaker 1: Things are not interchangeable, which is why law enforcement is

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Speaker 1: a little bit myfed Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're myfed.

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Speaker 3: Are these are the ones that look like weird watermelon

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Speaker 3: and shaped Christmas presents?

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Speaker 2: Is that yah? Okay goo Google, Yes, it's painted paper

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Speaker 2: made to look like a watermelon, but it's just got

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Speaker 3: I guess that's our cold open.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's it.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned and today we are traveling to a

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Speaker 4: What that doesn't make any sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I won't allow it. Remember Miamisburg, there

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Speaker 1: Share they shout out, Well, this is Long Island.

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Speaker 3: City is also not like in Long Island. Sorry, carry on.

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Speaker 2: Oh nuts. Well, Idaho Springs, Colorado is roughly thirty two

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Speaker 2: to explore a very recent and fast moving homicide case.

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Speaker 2: But before we get to the story, let's role play

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Speaker 2: for just a second. Guys. I'm curious to know what

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Speaker 2: and then I'll tell you what I would do too,

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Speaker 2: should do in this kind of situation. So just imagine

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Speaker 2: that you guys didn't hear from me all day right

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Speaker 2: and then still for twenty four hours after that time,

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Speaker 2: you didn't hear from me. I wasn't communicating on any

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Speaker 3: I would call a family member, a sibling, anyone that

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Speaker 4: That is what I would immediately do.

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Speaker 1: I would probably do the same while moving to your

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Speaker 2: That's a really good point there. That's one of the

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Speaker 2: and it it has in the past been a thing

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Speaker 3: But isn't it funny, though, how that expectation of immediate

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Speaker 1: I think it really does. It's not the way humans

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Speaker 3: Oh god, what psychotics leave those off?

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Speaker 1: First of all, yeah, thank you, I our friends I

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Speaker 3: Stop?

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Speaker 4: Why do you respond that you hate me?

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Speaker 3: I go from why are you responding to you hate me?

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Speaker 1: So here we are. You've gone missing. You're not just

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Speaker 2: Just missing essentially, at least electronically. So let's say it's

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Speaker 2: It's a ransacking, yes, exactly, terrifying. And then you notice, wait,

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Speaker 3: Matt would never put Meadow in jeopardy. That is not

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Speaker 2: Well, what's the move?

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Speaker 1: Have to at that point. Sadly, the role players would

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Speaker 1: This reminds me of the common myth in copaganda shows,

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Speaker 2: It seems like it, right, And as we get into

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Speaker 2: How that was weird. Paul Pevy runs a dog breeding

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Speaker 2: They are so? And then that's gonna lead us down

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Speaker 2: on August twenty first, that's a Wednesday, when Bruce went

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Speaker 2: And then, guys, it took two days to organize some

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Speaker 2: Like, No, he was partially buried on the property somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps this is inspiration for an episode. That's part of

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Speaker 3: a particularly great look for NASA, who, since suspending their

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Speaker 3: space Shuttle program back in twenty eleven, have been trying

439
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Speaker 3: to get it back off the ground. For lack of

440
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: a better term, that isn't quite so plenty. Another additional

441
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 3: embarrassment is that the private sector is actually having to

442
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 3: step in in order to let's I don't know, I

443
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: think the word rescue is maybe a little hyperbolic here,

444
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 3: but SpaceX is sending their Dragon spacecraft to shuttle the stuck.

445
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 4: Astronauts back home.

446
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 3: And just to be clear, the astronauts Barry Butch Wilmore

447
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: and Sanita Sunny Williams have been on the ISS since

448
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: June for that eight day mission, which obviously.

449
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 4: Already well past that window of time.

450
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Speaker 3: And guys, I just have to say, we just had

451
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: a little bit of a talk off mic just to

452
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: kind of help clarify some things. Is it really as

453
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: dumb and as simple as they're needing to wait this

454
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Speaker 3: many months because SpaceX doesn't have a flight scheduled until then,

455
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 3: And Ben, you pointed out to me it is in

456
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: fact every bit as dumb and as simple as that.

457
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: And you, guys, I believe the troubled Starliner is going

458
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: to be I guess, for lack of a better term,

459
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: space toad back to Earth by Boeing to be examined

460
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: to see what the hell went wrong.

461
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Speaker 2: Well, that is a pretty expensive flight to go get

462
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: two passengers, don't you think sending a rocket up no

463
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: matter who made it, no matter how advanced the tech is.

464
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Speaker 3: I do sometimes forget how ludicrously expensive these flights are

465
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Speaker 3: and how they have to take into account every bit

466
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 3: of weight, you know, of every bit of the payload

467
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: of whatever they're bringing or bringing back, and it is

468
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: absolutely mission critical that that is adhered to, you know.

469
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Speaker 4: For safety reasons, for safety and financial reasons.

470
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Speaker 3: So while we maybe don't have an exact number of

471
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: what that flight is going to cost, in the past,

472
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: we've looked at the budgets for these kind of flights

473
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: and they are often in the millions, right, I mean

474
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Speaker 3: just in terms of like one of these flights, So

475
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 3: it's it's nothing to sneeze at. So the fact that

476
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: they're having to wait that long, because we know SpaceX

477
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: has had some issues in the past as well, and

478
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're planning for a big launch, a big show,

479
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: and they want to make sure everything you know, goes

480
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: off as planned without a hitch, and so they're not

481
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 3: going to rush this. And apparently to your point, Ben,

482
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 3: the astronauts are not like outwardly angry about it, and

483
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: I believe it's going to involve some sort of record.

484
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we do know. I appreciate you pointing out

485
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: the fact that no outer space human engineered enterprise has

486
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: gotten things one hundred percent correct. It's just impossible at

487
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: this point. It is also very expensive, and with great

488
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: respect to the professionals involved on ground and in space.

489
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: When you guys are talking about the cost of these launches,

490
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: I kept having that line from the Heath Ledger Joker

491
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: playing in my head. It's not about money, it's about

492
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: sending a message.

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00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: Sure, so that's appropriate here, I think, sure, I don't

494
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 3: know if it's appropriate, but well, it's wildly it's appropriately inappropriate,

495
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: and I think it's a I think it totally lands jeez,

496
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: can't not make funds because words, you know, mean different things.

497
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: But I think this is a really interesting story and

498
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 3: the fact, I do think maybe the most interesting part

499
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: of this is that it hasn't been reported so much

500
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: as another Boeing up. It's it's much more about these

501
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: astronauts are stuck in space and the sort of hyperbolic,

502
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: you know, notion of astronauts being stuck in space. So

503
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if Boeing pr is working overtime and

504
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: a little bit in the spin zone. But I have

505
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 3: not seen Boeing front and center much in this store,

506
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: at least in the reporting that I've seen, and I

507
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 3: do have to wonder if that's a product of any

508
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: clever media, you know, manipulation.

509
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 2: We talked about this a little bit before. It is

510
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: a fully separate segment of the company bull that, right,

511
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: which would have to be different entities.

512
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, still it's the name it It's not doing so

513
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: hot overall.

514
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: But the major problem with Boeing the airline company is

515
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: that they outsource all of those different parts, right, that

516
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: then get manufactured and far flowing parts of the world,

517
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: which are then brought together in a factory somewhere where

518
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: actual facts. Boeing employees generally put together those pieces, and

519
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: they're finding that the pieces don't fit so.

520
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 3: Good, right, And I mean, I'm a perfect example of

521
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: how easy it is to throw the baby out with

522
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: the bathwater.

523
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 4: When you hear stories about.

524
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: Boeing at large having all of these technical problems, and

525
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: you hear about a Boeing spacecraft having technical problems, and

526
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: you immediately put it together that yes, one thing is

527
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: related to another. So while that may not be the case.

528
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: It certainly isn't the best pr opportunity here for Boeing.

529
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: Obviously no one was hurt, but surely it's going to

530
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: be incredibly expensive to tow this thing or to get

531
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: this thing back to Earth. As mentioned previously in terms

532
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: of how these kind of missions can just balloon manned

533
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: or unmanned. And there's a really great article in the

534
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: Conversation about the kind of history of this project and

535
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: apparently it's been.

536
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 4: A bit troubled for about a decade.

537
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's the Boeing partnership with NASA went back

538
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: to the very beginning of the space program, you know,

539
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: back from Marin or ten and the early Shuttle program.

540
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: But this particular project has been in the works for

541
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: about ten years and has faced multiple issues getting functional.

542
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: And to your point, Ben, these kind of setbacks are

543
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: part and parcel of you know, exploring the outer reaches

544
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: of space.

545
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, unfortunately, you can't make a you can't make

546
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: an automobile without risking the possibility of car accidents. Yes,

547
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: that's one way to put it.

548
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: Futurism points out something really interesting, and that is that

549
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: when they're sending it back as you said, Ben unmanned right,

550
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: They're sending the entire capsule and the whole thing back Sunliner.

551
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: The star Liner. As it re enters, it is going

552
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: to separate from the thrusters, the propulsion systems of the

553
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: crew to cabin and the propulsion system. The propulsion system

554
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: is what got all those gas leaks, and that is

555
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: the reason that they couldn't send the astronauts back on

556
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: the system. But as it separates, guess what it crashes

557
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: into the burns up mostly as it's going through the atmosphere,

558
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: so nobody can do any forensics on the thing. So

559
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: nobody can know exactly what went wrong so they can

560
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: fix it for the next time.

561
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: That's a sticky situation.

562
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: They also don't know for sure that things will go wrong.

563
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: There are some fascinating quotes that may or may not

564
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: reassure you, fellow groundwalkers. Let's go to There was a

565
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: conversation like a press club conversation with Steve Stitch, the

566
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: Commercial Crew program manager of NASA, and this is how

567
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: Stitch described or portrayed NASA and Boeing's relationship called it

568
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: quote just a little disagreement in terms of the level

569
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: of risk. It depends on how you evaluate risk. We

570
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: did it a little differently with our crew than Boeing

571
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: did so Primarily, what they're doing is keeping these astronauts

572
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: safe while avoiding the possibility of something going horribly wrong. Right,

573
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: there are so many redundancies baked in. There's a lot

574
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: of news saying Boeing is, you know, air quotes humiliated

575
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: or embarrassed. But everybody's making the right call.

576
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: I would agree, and again, like the astronauts in question

577
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: are not at the very least outwardly griping to the press.

578
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: You know about this so.

579
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: Seems like something of a non issue, but it is interesting,

580
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: and I think part of the interesting thing about it

581
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: that I mentioned earlier is the way it's being reported on.

582
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: It just kind of really puts in the focus the

583
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: kind of hyperbolic nature of these types of headlines is

584
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: the notion that astronauts are stuck in space and that

585
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: it's ruining everything, you know. I just think that's it

586
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: does encourage one to read past the headlines. I would

587
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: say a little bit, as we always try to do

588
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: here on strange news, on stuff they don't want you

589
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: to know.

590
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I do like this idea your taking though nol. You

591
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: should write an article entirely blaming the astronauts. You know,

592
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: I love this idea. Privileged but whole astronauts waste space. Yeah,

593
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: it give me just speaking sound like fire festival somehow.

594
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: That is what the is is is. Basically, it's just

595
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: a floating space bound fire festival.

596
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: Let's go, Let's do a full anti astronaut show.

597
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure we can get the busses to pay

598
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: for Well, that's all for now. Let's take a quick

599
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: break here, work more sponsors, and then come back with

600
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: one more piece of strange news.

601
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: And we have returned, folks, not just with you and

602
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: thank you as always for joining us, but to space.

603
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: Something interesting happened quite recently. The nation of China has

604
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: produced enormous quantities of water using lunar soil. We're talking

605
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: about moon juice is how I'd like to refer to

606
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: it as a piece of technical nomenclature. If sustainable, reproducible,

607
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: this will solve one of the big problems with the

608
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: idea of life on the moon, with creating a population

609
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: of literal lunatics. We've known for some time that the

610
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: Moon does harbor the possibility of potable water. We talked

611
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: about it in recent evenings, the idea of life on

612
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 1: the moon in subterranean little Heidi holes. Right, returning back

613
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: to the trogoldic trends of earlier humans, I don't know.

614
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: First off, since we role played in the beginning this evening,

615
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: i'd like to role play here again. If you guys

616
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: were offered a job as water miners on the moon,

617
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: how much would you have to be paid per year?

618
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: That's tough, I mean, because you'd have to be gone

619
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: a long time.

620
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: It would have to be really, really worthwhile for your family. Yeah,

621
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 4: I would argue you might.

622
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: They might target people who were in dire straits who

623
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 3: really needed it bad.

624
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 4: I don't know.

625
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Smarter people than me are going

626
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: to do that calculation, and it's going to benefit the

627
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 3: smarter people.

628
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 4: I'll tell you that upfront.

629
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I was qualified to do it, and I

630
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: had some science background and I didn't have a family,

631
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty four thousand dollars a.

632
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: Year seems legit, but probably honestly.

633
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know. That seems like a lot to me, okay.

634
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: But also, I mean, given given the circumstances, you outlined.

635
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: You're a supervisor though for that salary, right, you're leading

636
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: the freaking expedition.

637
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: And then you're a digger. He's a moonline boy.

638
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: Right.

639
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: Are they paying for your housing?

640
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: You know, Robert, heinline is to be believed, one would,

641
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: one would, one would.

642
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: Hope, right, so they're they're also, in that case, hopefully

643
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: paying for your food at this point. Or maybe you

644
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: wash up there and it's indentured servitude.

645
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: Firefest all over again.

646
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: You got a piece of white bread and some withered

647
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: lettuce for your one meal a day.

648
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: You say, gosh, I'm thirsty, and they say, well, get

649
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: to the mind, get to the toilet.

650
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: Isn't for you, This is for the rich people on

651
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: Earth in their biodomes.

652
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's you know, that reminds me the concept of

653
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 1: resource extraction. There. You might be surprised, folks, to learn

654
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: that countries creating the best coffee in the world, the

655
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: people who actually live in those countries, for the most part,

656
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: are drinking espresso, you know, instinct coffee, because who on

657
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: Earth could afford this crazy expensive resource. And perhaps that

658
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: that's what we'll get to here. After three years of

659
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: in depth research and repeated reproducible processes. The Chinese government

660
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: has confirmed there's a brand new method of using lunar soil,

661
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: moon dust, moon dirt to produce large amounts of water.

662
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: This is a game changer. You can read about it widely.

663
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: One of the best sources here in the West is Reuters.

664
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: China is aiming to set up what they call a

665
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: basic station on the Moon by twenty thirty five. And

666
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: I love that they're calling it a basic station.

667
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: Do we get the deluxe station?

668
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: Right? That's the idea. When do you get moon plus?

669
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 4: You got a pasture for that? I guess.

670
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into the science. How do you turn

671
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: lunar soil into freaking water?

672
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: I mean, is it a matter of extracting like trace

673
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: amounts of moisture from huge volumes of soil.

674
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the magic of belief.

675
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: Wait a minute.

676
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: Now, well, okay, according to what I'm looking at ben well,

677
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: at least according to Reuter's, China's state broadcaster CCTV says

678
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: that it's because there's a large amount of hydrogen that

679
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: exists in the soil. Like I guess, naturally recurring hydrogen

680
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: in lunar.

681
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 4: Soils sciencing it up.

682
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: Okay, so if you heat it very very high, you

683
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: can probably add some oxygen to the mix somehow and

684
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: get water I'm assuming.

685
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. What they found was you could take one unit

686
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: of lunar soil and produce a pretty impressive output of

687
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: potable water. So one like one British ton of soil

688
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: can make minimum fifty kilograms of water, which maths out

689
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: to the daily drinking water consumption of a crew of

690
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: fifty people if they're not too thirsty.

691
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: But like, one of the big problems we always run

692
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 3: into back here on Earth and things that lead to

693
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: potential water wars is that like we can't make more

694
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: water like or it's two energy prohibitive, you know, cost

695
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: prohibitive to desalinate like ocean water or whatever. So what

696
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: is so unique about this hydrogen that we can't reproduce

697
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: that here on Earth?

698
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: It's or a question of the problem that they're solving

699
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: here or what they're solving for is not the same

700
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: problems we're solving for on Earth. The problem on Earth

701
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: is totable safe water. How best to create that without

702
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: also destroying the environment? Right, that's desalination technology is huge.

703
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: But to your point, it is relatively impractical on Earth

704
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: because there are other methods of ensuring clean water for

705
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: the humans on the planet. They're just the boring stuff

706
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: no one wants to do, like number one, conserve water

707
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: or number two be a little nicer to the environment.

708
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: People don't want to hear that. The problem that China

709
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: is attempting to solve for on the Moon is to

710
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: get past the great issue of supply chains. Water is

711
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: please beat me here, doc, water is being cartoonishly heavy.

712
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: If you have ever been hiking, if you have ever

713
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: been in a situation where you have to carry around

714
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: liquid water, you know it is super inconvenient. It's like

715
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: realizing how many books you own when you have to

716
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: move from one house to the next.

717
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: So the problem that you're solving for is more like

718
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: for creating water for people already in space in a

719
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: practical way rather than having a transport it. So at scale,

720
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 3: my question being, this would not be efficient on Earth.

721
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 3: It could be done, but it just doesn't make any sense,

722
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: and it wouldn't be like some grand scale solution to.

723
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 4: Our water shortage problem.

724
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's that's well put. It doesn't It doesn't

725
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 1: solve the same problems that we have on Earth. If

726
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: you are thinking through a long term occupation of the

727
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: moon and you're allowing for all the human things, right,

728
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: you want to solve stuff like radiation exposure by putting

729
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: people underground, right beneath a healthy shield of rock, And

730
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: then you want to solve for the water. The next

731
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: thing is the food, right, how do you how do

732
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: you get how do you get past that part? And

733
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: then after that, I'm sure we'll get to sanitation issues.

734
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: Where do people poop? What happens to their poop? Have

735
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: you thought about the spell.

736
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: And how do you reconstitute it to get some moisture,

737
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: because you know, you imagine this is like having technology

738
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: that is a soil to water microwave machine kind of

739
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: thing that you put this you put a ton of

740
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: soil in it, and you get one hundred bottles of

741
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: water that are like what they they say, seventeen point

742
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: six ounces or five hundred millimeters. So I mean, that's great.

743
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: It's a magic machine that'll do that for the folks

744
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: that are already up there. And you only got to

745
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: send that machine one time out to the lunar surface, right,

746
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: which is great, But in theory, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

747
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: The solar energy on the moon is going to be

748
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: so nice to have though.

749
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: Nice, nice set up foreshadowing. I love it. Also, if

750
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 1: you need to support your local lunatics, right then what

751
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: you'll do, I would argue, what you would do in

752
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 1: the era of capitalism, is sell very expensive moon water.

753
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You make it for peanuts

754
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: up there, and then you charge like, what's the what

755
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: is the fair price for a small bottle of moonwater

756
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: for the type of folks you buy cyber trucks? You

757
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

758
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I'd say about the price of a bar

759
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: of astronaut ice cream.

760
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 4: That's what I paid for it.

761
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: Now. It's definitely worth more than that. Asher and ice

762
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 3: cream is pretty busting though.

763
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. I think we were all keeping that front

764
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: of mind anytime we have a conversation about the moon. Matt,

765
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: do you have some news about moonwater? No?

766
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: I thought, Hey, a great name for moonwater would be

767
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: Luna or Lunar or some I was trying to come

768
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: up with a bottle of water from the moon name.

769
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: But they've already it's all taken.

770
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: It's done. Check out our Luna TikTok.

771
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: Also till Neslie gets to the moon, then I'll Betsy'll

772
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: be off.

773
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: There's one called Aqua Luna moonwater, and it's just like

774
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: alkaline water or something that looks super high in and expensive.

775
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: Soon that'll be considered false advertising.

776
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: We are getting into moonwater. That's what I'm persuaded by. Lake.

777
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: I am convinced by the arguments here code named Doc.

778
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: You have to be on board with us technically on

779
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: this one. We also, if you like our long suffering

780
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: super producer, are not persuaded by our initial pitch for moonwater,

781
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: we have another thing we can sell you via our

782
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: good friends at reflect Orbitals. Have you ever been walking

783
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: around at night, you guys, and thought it's inconvenient to

784
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: me that the passage of the Earth and the Sun

785
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: doesn't obey my schedule all the time. And Matt's not

786
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: solemnly here a couple of boffins at a place called

787
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: reflect Orbitals want to build space mirrors to reflect sunlight

788
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: onto solar panels at night. According to their official website,

789
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: this is that that's their primary goal, right. They want

790
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: to solve for the problem of solar energy. However, the

791
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: reason they're in the news is because if everything works out,

792
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: when the infrastructure they're proposing, you can pay for them

793
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: to send sunlight to you, no matter what time of

794
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: day it is, no matter where you are on this

795
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 1: wide wide world.

796
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: Can you, Ben, Can you confirm to me? I could

797
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: not figure out if this was real or not. It

798
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: seems so not real to me. I saw a viral

799
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 2: video of some sort where a dude has an app

800
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: and the like clicks on the app and then they

801
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 2: look up in the sky and a giant light looked

802
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: that looks like sunlight beans down on them and it's

803
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, and you're like what

804
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: And it.

805
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: Sounds like it's a cryptocurrency scam, like we're gonna send

806
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 3: you some sunlight through your app.

807
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 4: Like that's like the name of a cryptotoken something.

808
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: Worse token for it.

809
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: What is the deal though?

810
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: Man? Is that?

811
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: What's Matt? What Matt's described? I haven't seen this and

812
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: this is news to me.

813
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is fascinating And I love the points you

814
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: guys are bringing up because first things first, that fancy video,

815
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's just that it's a fancy video.

816
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: It's intriguing, it's fun to watch, it is aspirational. How

817
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: about that?

818
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: Uh?

819
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: And and part of the I'm describing it as such

820
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: is due to multiple iterations of research by journalist, particularly

821
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: Stan Schroeder over at Mashable, who note that when the

822
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: CEO of this startup, Ben Noak, introduced this video to

823
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: the world, he posted it on x and he in

824
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: the video, which is inspirational, you see him using, as

825
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: Matt described, an app to pinpoint a location, and then

826
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: when he hits that, when he drops a pin right

827
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: to go back to our earlier conversation, when he shares

828
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: his location with the app, it appears that an actual

829
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: physical beam of light hits him where he's standing with

830
00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: astonishing fidelity. Big if true. Cool cool cool. But in

831
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: the near future, this, this level of I think specificity

832
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: is still not something humans possess. You can't call a

833
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: spotlight to you via via the communication of light through

834
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: mirrors on that scale. Yet, however, you can do something like.

835
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: It, well yeah, I mean on their website reflect orbital

836
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: dot com. You can reserve a spot like you can

837
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: say where you want sunlight to be. The duration is

838
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: four minutes, the diameter is five kilometers, It's huge, and

839
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: then delivery begins they say Q four twenty five. All

840
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: you have to put in there is your name, your

841
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: phone number, an email, the organization and why do you

842
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: want to spot a sunshine at night? Pal?

843
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: That's that's you got to answer that question, right, yeah,

844
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: along with your social Security number list and no example.

845
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just don't understand. What's the point of this?

846
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: What is this is a gimmick? I don't I don't

847
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: understand at all.

848
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 2: Imagine. Imagine you're trying to like get a quick charge

849
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: on some solar panels or something. Right, you do a

850
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: spot of sunlight for I guess just a couple of

851
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: four minutes.

852
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: You rent it for, Like is it you pay by

853
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: the minute?

854
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 4: Like? Yeah, I don't, okay, all right.

855
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: Well imagine also, maybe an earlier version of this, you're

856
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: attempting to siege a stronghold of vampires, right of not

857
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: straw to you need you need to ideally hit them

858
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: during the day when they're weak, Right, But sometimes you

859
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: get in situations and if you can get enough sunlight there,

860
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: even for I would say four minutes is generous. If

861
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: you get enough sunlight there, then you have a fighting chance.

862
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: You just have to make sure you get the app.

863
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: You know, you get the email sign up in advance

864
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: braving a new world. So the thing that mystifies me

865
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: about this, the reason I'm bringing it up here is

866
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: vampire jokes aside, it's the it's showing us similar technology

867
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: to cloud seating, to weather modification. Right, the idea of

868
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: the idea of cloud seating is genuine. It is legitimate. However,

869
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: it is pretty unspecific. Right. It led to disastrous things

870
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: not too long ago. And maybe this sunlight app will

871
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: be a boon to solve for the problems of solar

872
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: energy generation. Maybe people will use it as a flex

873
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: But that's where I'd like to end on this question.

874
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Speaker 1: Do you guys think there will be in as you

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Speaker 1: said Matt later in twenty twenty five, do you think

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Speaker 1: there will be people who pay to have the sun

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Speaker 1: at night?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I might do this. I would do this if

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much it costs. This seems like

880
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Speaker 2: a lot of fun, like just to prank your friends

881
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Speaker 2: or something.

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Speaker 1: It feels like an elden Ring spell I did think

883
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: of you.

884
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 2: Oh, or to propose or something. All of a sudden,

885
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Speaker 2: a light comes on in the sky and like whatever,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I could think of a million reasons

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Speaker 2: to have like a four minute spotlight on you randomly

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Speaker 2: in the dark.

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Speaker 1: So moon juice is trash, but four minutes of out

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Speaker 1: of season sunlight is pert hell.

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Speaker 3: I mean Yeahea, Luna Juice and sunshine on demand and

892
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Speaker 3: this sounds this does sound like Brave New World or

893
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Speaker 3: something along those lines.

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Speaker 1: And Oasis is getting back together, probably based entirely on

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00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: this news, entirely on the moon juice research and reflect orbital.

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Speaker 3: You know, Liam loves his moon juice.

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Speaker 1: He's always talking about it. His Twitter is crazy. We've

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Speaker 1: been speaking a little bit about this Oasis reunion off air.

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Speaker 1: It is very much not conspiratorial, but it's definitely strange news.

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