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Speaker 1: Hello! And welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Every Wednesday, we recap our old shows with all new

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Speaker 2: commentary and case updates and general chitter-chatter.

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Speaker 1: Today, we're rewinding to episode 113, which we named Live

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Speaker 1: at Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 2: We recorded this live in Salt Lake City, and this

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Speaker 2: episode came out on March 22, 2018. Let's listen to

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Speaker 2: the intro of episode 113. What's up, Salt Lake City? Yes.

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Speaker 2: We've got to choreograph that dance. We've got to.

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Speaker 1: Someday. Hi, best friends. What's up? What's up? There is

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Speaker 1: so many opportunities for screaming at these shows.

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Speaker 2: Shit. It's the best. Loving it.

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Speaker 1: It looks like there's a ghost walking somewhere to.

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Speaker 2: Their seat up there. Do you guys have ghost stashers here?

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Speaker 2: Because we did not approve that. Is that the undead

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Speaker 2: screaming in the back? What's happening? Oh, huge zombie contingent tonight. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We love it.

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Speaker 2: They're like, there haven't been zombies in this theater for

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Speaker 2: 25 years. That's right, I'm pulling out all the hits

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Speaker 2: for the live show.

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Speaker 1: Since 1990. Thanks.

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Speaker 3: I just want to point this out really quick.

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Speaker 2: I stopped curling my hair right about here.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell?

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Speaker 3: I was just like, this sucks.

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Speaker 2: I'm bored.

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Speaker 1: If you can't see it, then it's not there.

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Speaker 2: Just always keep your head real turned. Don't let anybody

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Speaker 2: come up on your hind quarter at all.

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Speaker 3: Just keep it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, hey.

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Speaker 3: Keep it to the Farrah Fawcett area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You wanted me to remind you, live corrections corner.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you want to do it right off the top?

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Speaker 1: Oh, do you?

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Speaker 2: Fresh and sure.

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Speaker 1: I guess I do.

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Speaker 2: Guys, so the episode dropped today.

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Speaker 1: And, oh, thanks. Thank you. It happens every Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It's easy, you can do it yourself. It's just,

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Speaker 2: you just upload it onto a computer.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: You just get yourself a Steven.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Make him do everything. Steven! No, he's not here!

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Speaker 2: He's not here. Although, yeah, no, we don't bring him. But,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it look like someone's standing under here?

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Speaker 1: We brought Steven's favorite skirt to use as the table. Yay!

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Speaker 2: He's very shy, so he's bent at the waist under

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Speaker 2: this table.

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Speaker 1: Ow! Ow! We need a moment of silence for the

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Speaker 1: relationship between Jennifer and Aniston. Jennifer Aniston and... What's his face?

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Speaker 2: Right. We'll just call him Matt. We'll just call him

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Speaker 2: Matt from now on.

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Speaker 1: Mack.

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Speaker 2: Matt? Matt.

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Speaker 1: Oh. Poor babe.

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Speaker 2: Justin something. It doesn't matter anymore.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. He looks really good on her arm,

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Speaker 1: I must say.

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Speaker 2: I never bought it.

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Speaker 1: No? But then there's this already, already came out today

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Speaker 1: that they're breaking up and then it's like, everyone's rooting

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Speaker 1: for Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston back together. Nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: Nobody is. And what if every fucking time you broke

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Speaker 1: up with someone, everyone was like, remember that guy who

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Speaker 1: cheated on you 10 fucking years ago? Everyone's hoping you

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Speaker 1: guys get back together.

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Speaker 2: Marry him for the second mistaken time.

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Speaker 1: You know, though, how he has 10 kids. Everyone wants

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Speaker 1: you to get back together with him.

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Speaker 2: Being a stepmom to 10 is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Fuck that shit.

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Speaker 2: Did I ever tell you the story that I know

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Speaker 2: that's the secret Burbank story?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this stays here in the vault. SLC.

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Speaker 3: SLC, you're in the vault now.

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Speaker 2: Can I trust you?

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Speaker 3: With a secret?

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Speaker 2: It's not really a secret.

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Speaker 1: There's a.

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Speaker 2: It's a thrift store on Riverside in Burbank. And the

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Speaker 2: word on the street is, you know, it's the American

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Speaker 2: Heart and Lung Association thrift store. All the old ladies

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Speaker 2: are just fucking smoking butts all day.

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Speaker 3: But the word on the street is that... Because it's.

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Speaker 2: The one that's the closest to the Warner Brothers studios

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Speaker 2: where they shot the television show Friends.

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Speaker 1: And when.

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Speaker 2: It first came out that Brad Pitt was cheating on

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Aniston with Angelina Jolie when they were shooting some

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Speaker 2: wonderful film in like in Greece or somewhere. It was

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Speaker 2: that Greek one. Yeah, we know. Let's not talk about it.

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Speaker 2: She took all of his clothes out of his mansion

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Speaker 2: closet and drove it on down to the American Heart

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Speaker 2: and Lung Association thrift store and dropped... Every item of

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Speaker 2: clothing at this. Now, it's Brad Pitt's clothes. So they're

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Speaker 2: all $ 11, 000 shirts.

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Speaker 1: And they smell incredible.

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Speaker 2: They smell. I always just.

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Speaker 1: Bought them just to lay face down in a pile of. No,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Vince, I wouldn't have done that.

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Speaker 2: They're like, do you want to smell what luck smells like? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and so normally there's a lot of wicker chairs for

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Speaker 2: sale in this thrift store, and then some paperback books

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Speaker 2: by James Patterson, God bless his soul. Wow.

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Speaker 3: But then for like, I'm sure, eight wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Days, it was just filled with like the highest end clothing.

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Speaker 1: That's all I can guess. That's high end. Hugo Boss.

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Speaker 1: What's high end men's clothing?

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Speaker 2: Michael Kors.

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Speaker 3: We'll name everything we've seen in Macy's.

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Speaker 1: Nordstrom Rack.

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Speaker 2: What do they have?

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Speaker 1: That's all I know.

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Speaker 2: Cole Haan slip-on shoes.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 3: What about your outfit? Do you want to talk about

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Speaker 3: it a little bit?

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Speaker 1: Well, I shop at vintage stores. Thank you, because I

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Speaker 1: don't know any names of designers, and now no one

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Speaker 1: can fucking blame me for wearing cheap shit, because it's old.

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Speaker 1: It's vintage.

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Speaker 2: It's old.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. That's right. So this is an old dress.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Walk it on down the rug. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They love it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, a full square.

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Speaker 2: She's doing square footage. Loving it.

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Speaker 1: It's a new run.

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Speaker 2: You just invented the new runway. Just a big, gorgeous

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Speaker 2: rectangle of rug.

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Speaker 1: On a gorgeous rug. Oriental. Rug.

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Speaker 2: Oriental. Rug.

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Speaker 1: We demand it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you whoever brought this from home.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate you letting your foyer go bare for us.

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Speaker 3: This evening while we.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy touching it and loving it.

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Speaker 1: It'll be for sale outside in the lobby after the show.

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Speaker 1: What are you wearing? I almost said, what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: What are you doing over there?

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't find shirts that fit me and I

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Speaker 2: don't try to find them. I was going to buy,

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Speaker 2: I swear to God, at like nine o'clock at CVS,

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Speaker 2: I was going to buy a black shirt that said

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Speaker 2: Burbank on the front of it.

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Speaker 1: Represent.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm a joke.

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Speaker 1: It'll be fine.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry about me.

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Speaker 1: It'll be fine. Oh, this is the last weekend away

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Speaker 1: of this tour, I just realized.

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Speaker 3: We're capping it off at SLC, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Double fucking shows here. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: University of Utah.

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Speaker 1: You guys are the ones. We're doing two shows here

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Speaker 1: because the first show last night, tomorrow night, where are we?

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Speaker 2: Sometime this week.

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Speaker 1: It's sold out already. So you guys are the ones

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Speaker 1: who didn't wake up early the day of and then emailed,

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Speaker 1: put us on Twitter saying, add another show, it's sold out.

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Speaker 1: Angry at us. So that's what we did for you.

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Speaker 2: Well done.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your advocacy.

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Speaker 1: We only listen to anger.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for using your anger constructively. That's what we mean.

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Speaker 2: Use it to bring us places.

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Speaker 1: Uh-huh.

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Speaker 3: That's the way to do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is my favorite murder, the podcast.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: This is Karen Kilgariff.

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Speaker 2: This is Georgia Hardstar.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Lots of screaming time.

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Speaker 2: Where are the two voices in your head while you drive.

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Speaker 1: Or work or are.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to be doing something else?

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Speaker 1: That's right. I wrote down on this piece of paper

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Speaker 1: to talk about smell like a.

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Speaker 2: Rave because a rave.

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Speaker 1: Rave oh the our shampoo and things in the hotel

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Speaker 1: room smell like me when I would go to raves

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Speaker 1: oh it's just this like a victoria's secret body spray smell.

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Speaker 2: It smells like grinding teeth yeah what is that tooth

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Speaker 2: powder the powder of my own molars When you got

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Speaker 2: the first wave of the smell of raves, what was

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Speaker 2: your first emotional reaction to that smell?

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Speaker 1: Ew.

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Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

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Speaker 1: No. And then.

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Speaker 2: Dependent on how you see a thing.

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Speaker 1: How do we both know delight perfectly? It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Because my friend Dave Messmer, one time when we were

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Speaker 2: in fake college, I dropped out. I met him at

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Speaker 2: the JC... in the drama department. He didn't claim to

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Speaker 2: be gay yet, but he had the hugest poster of

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Speaker 2: Madonna on his apartment wall that when I walked in,

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Speaker 2: I went, oh, no.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no. Were you hoping to make out? And then

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Speaker 1: you're like, ah, shit.

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Speaker 2: Fuck, fuck.

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: But he is my lifelong best friend, and.

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Speaker 1: Wait, what? I thought.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was. You've known me two years.

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Speaker 2: Whoops.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was your lifelong.

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Speaker 3: You have actually pulled ahead of most people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not hard to live in fucking Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: It's like everyone's the worst person.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I had the choice of her or her husband, Vince.

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Speaker 2: That was pretty much it in terms of quality people

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Should we tell them what the three of us did

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Speaker 1: for Valentine's Day last night?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We had to record on Valentine's Day. And then I

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Speaker 1: was like, we were talking at like two. We're like,

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Speaker 1: let's do it early. I'm like, what if Stephen has

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day plans? And then it turns out none of

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Speaker 1: us have Valentine's Day plans.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the best Stephen goes.

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Speaker 1: So as we were leaving, I was like, Vince, we

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Speaker 1: should have them stay and like eat pizza or whatever,

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Speaker 1: you know, for Valentine's Day. And so we asked you

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Speaker 1: and you're like, great.

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Speaker 2: That's gorgeous. Yes. What is this, some sort of cloth

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know theater terms. I'm of the theater. Oh,

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Speaker 3: Just like, it's all ending now. I'm so young.

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Speaker 3: So he's just like, please don't make me.

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Speaker 1: That's not even a good D-Lite song either.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just the first one. And then he continued

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Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm not here to complain about Dave.

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Speaker 1: I am. I am.

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Speaker 2: That's what your murder is? Dave.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you didn't know? I killed him real quick.

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Speaker 3: I took care of Dave for you. Dave Messmer, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to kill him. Oh, I feel like we

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Speaker 1: this place... Caught Ted Bundy. So thanks, Utah. Salt Lake City. Oh. Thanks, guys.

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Speaker 3: I missed the verb.

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Speaker 2: Caught?

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Speaker 2: But I thought it happened in Florida.

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Speaker 1: No, it's a different time. Hi. He escaped from Colorado.

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Speaker 2: Colorado. Sorry, hold on a second. She's still yelling and

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Speaker 2: she started by, she goes, hi, I'm Celine Beck. Oh shit,

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Speaker 1: Get up here. Oh shit, get over here. Oh shit.

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Speaker 1: There's Vince.

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Speaker 2: Get over here. Come here.

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Speaker 1: Steven is absolutely fired. He told us you can't, you're

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Speaker 2: Oh. But you immediately started yelling the second you had

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Speaker 1: I know the rules, but as soon as you said

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Speaker 1: Ted Bundy escaped from here, I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you.

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Speaker 3: Just say it. How did we get it wrong just now?

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Speaker 1: So Ted escaped twice from Colorado.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Not from here.

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Speaker 4: The second time is when he went to Ann Arbor

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Speaker 1: Girl. Tell everyone what you do and what's happening.

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Speaker 2: We just talked about her.

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Speaker 1: I know, but maybe they didn't catch up today. We

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Speaker 1: just talked about her. It's so exciting. Hi. So I

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Speaker 1: Did you hear us talk about you? We talked about you.

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Speaker 2: We talked about you.

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Speaker 1: We talked about me this morning. I feel like my shit.

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Speaker 2: No, so everyone here has been tweeting at me, but

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to say that I was coming tonight.

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Speaker 1: Oh. So, hi.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you introduced yourself. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I yelled at you.

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Speaker 1: I feel bad. You're great. Give us a hug. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 1: Is she leaving? I don't know. Do you have a question?

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Speaker 3: You're going to stay for.

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Speaker 1: The show, right? Oh, fuck yeah. Okay, good. Well, if

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Speaker 1: we have any questions, we'll ask you. You were like,

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Speaker 2: I just thought it was like, she was basically like,

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Speaker 2: I'm Celine Beck, and I'm on the actor's track. I

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Speaker 2: just want to let you know you're pretty much wrong

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for podcasting. Perfection.

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Speaker 1: We miss some shit sometimes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, could you imagine if people made documentaries where

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Speaker 1: We just got everything wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Do a follow-up documentary.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's the stuff we should have looked at a

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Speaker 2: little closer.

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Speaker 1: Listen. Look. Listen.

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Speaker 2: Look.

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Speaker 1: We're not perfectionists.

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Speaker 2: Certainly. And we're back.

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Speaker 1: That was a fun one all the way back in 2018.

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Speaker 1: What a weird mile marker thing.

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Speaker 2: That we all live by, at least in my generation,

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Speaker 2: of Jennifer Aniston's relationship. Totally.

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Speaker 1: We're just waiting and hoping for her to find love.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Justin Theroux, and maybe it's just because

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Speaker 2: do think that I don't know why actors marry each

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Speaker 2: other just don't do that it's not gonna work you're

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Speaker 2: of course you're attracted to each other you're both really hot.

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Speaker 1: And dramatic and fun and excitement everywhere yes.

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Speaker 2: Especially if you're successful and like you know.

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Speaker 1: Totally like not to be insulting you have to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You need a grounded earth sign. For your insanity.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to be that way.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. I love when

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Speaker 1: you see like such and such like Reese Witherspoon and

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Speaker 2: The finance bro. Finance.

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Speaker 1: Like, yes. I guess the point is if Jennifer Aniston

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Speaker 2: If we do enough Pilates.

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Speaker 1: And drink enough smart water.

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Speaker 3: Here's the good news.

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Speaker 2: That American Heart Association thrift store is still alive and

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Speaker 2: probably thriving now more than ever on Riverside. I just

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Speaker 1: We've got to go. We've got to stop in.

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Speaker 2: We've got to.

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Speaker 1: There's anything left from him.

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Speaker 2: I got an incredible couch there that was very Laura

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Speaker 2: Ingalls Wilder, but it fit for what kind of weird

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Speaker 2: Big old, very comfortable to lay on. old couch.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever think and thank your lucky stars that we,

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Speaker 1: neither of us, well, me at least, you could tell

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Speaker 2: I have scabies right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I've always had scabies. From all the thrifting we've done? Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 1: There is no reason. For real.

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Speaker 2: It's like, Well, I think it's because my mother always

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Speaker 2: to get scabies shopping at thrift stores.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you kept an eye out.

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Speaker 2: And I said, you're a classist.

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Speaker 1: You're like, I'm actually going to give the thrift store scabies. So,

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Speaker 1: fuck you.

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing the filth to the St. Vincent de Paul. So,

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Speaker 2: fuck everybody.

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Speaker 1: Moths. I definitely have moths. I've inherited some Meemaw's moths

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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: I have some moths right now because I just pulled

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Speaker 2: a coat, a very old coat out of the back

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Speaker 2: of a closet to do a closet swipe through. And

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Speaker 2: this thing was covered in these things where I was like,

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Speaker 2: there's only one thing it could be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Moths. Can I tell you how satisfying it is?

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Speaker 1: They have these, they're plug-in sticky papers with a blue light.

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Speaker 1: So all the bugs are attracted to it and Get

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Speaker 1: on the sticky paper, fucking RIP, you know, sorry, PETA.

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Speaker 1: It is so satisfying to pick that up and see

458
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,939
Speaker 1: all the little critters that were going to fly in

459
00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:21,500
Speaker 1: your mouth while you're sleeping and.

460
00:22:21,420 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: Instead aren't on you.

461
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so good. It's so satisfying. That's really good. Yeah.

462
00:22:26,060 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: Also, I don't think PETA extends their well wishes to

463
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,379
Speaker 2: the insect community. I really don't.

464
00:22:30,619 --> 00:22:33,899
Speaker 1: That's the only animal I feel comfortable not hating is

465
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,940
Speaker 1: I love insects. Clearly, I kill them all. What else?

466
00:22:38,660 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: Did we cover it?

467
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: What else did we not talk about?

468
00:22:42,540 --> 00:22:44,100
Speaker 3: Victoria's Sacred Body Spray.

469
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,500
Speaker 2: We should have done, you know what we should do

470
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,060
Speaker 2: on a fan call? Is a bunch of, if we

471
00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:52,109
Speaker 2: can get a hold of them, 90s perfumes identifying scent test.

472
00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:53,210
Speaker 1: Mine was Apple.

473
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:55,530
Speaker 2: Yes. Happy by Clinique.

474
00:22:55,770 --> 00:22:57,530
Speaker 1: Oh, Happy by Clinique.

475
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:59,150
Speaker 2: We got to put Poison.

476
00:22:59,490 --> 00:22:59,889
Speaker 1: Poison Happy.

477
00:22:59,910 --> 00:23:03,649
Speaker 2: Christian Dior's Poison. Which I have an amazing, I probably

478
00:23:03,670 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: have told you this, but my friend Amy Doherty that

479
00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:09,820
Speaker 2: I went to high school with got her knee wrecked

480
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,020
Speaker 2: in like when she was a senior and she was

481
00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:16,900
Speaker 2: going into the emergency room and she was wearing poison

482
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: perfume and the admitting nurse goes what the hell are

483
00:23:20,619 --> 00:23:23,020
Speaker 2: you wear take that off never wear that again and

484
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,780
Speaker 2: got like super mad at her.

485
00:23:25,660 --> 00:23:27,690
Speaker 1: Oh i love it but like also telling a nurse

486
00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:31,010
Speaker 1: you're wearing poison she's like what like what that doesn't

487
00:23:31,050 --> 00:23:33,070
Speaker 1: make any sense get Get out of here. Get out

488
00:23:33,109 --> 00:23:33,330
Speaker 1: of here.

489
00:23:33,570 --> 00:23:36,270
Speaker 2: It was the time for dramatic colognes and perfumes.

490
00:23:36,430 --> 00:23:42,310
Speaker 1: Gina Tay, of course. Oh, I just remembered what it is. Sunflower. Oh, yeah.

491
00:23:42,350 --> 00:23:45,530
Speaker 1: Remember Sunflower? I did that and then I went to Happy. Oh,

492
00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:48,390
Speaker 1: I would love to smell that right now. CK1. We

493
00:23:48,410 --> 00:23:49,470
Speaker 1: have to do CK1.

494
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:52,010
Speaker 2: How many boys did you love and then you realized

495
00:23:52,170 --> 00:23:54,990
Speaker 2: you just loved that CK1? That's how you really loved? Jupe.

496
00:23:55,230 --> 00:23:58,790
Speaker 1: There was a guy, one called Jupe. Jupe. And that one.

497
00:23:59,150 --> 00:24:01,610
Speaker 1: Remember the commercials for Jupe? Oh, my God.

498
00:24:01,670 --> 00:24:03,169
Speaker 3: I have to look it up right now.

499
00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:05,970
Speaker 1: If we do that for the fan cult, then we

500
00:24:06,010 --> 00:24:09,140
Speaker 1: also have to add in Sweet Honesty just like as

501
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:09,820
Speaker 1: a wild card.

502
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,020
Speaker 2: Oh, yes. As a smeller.

503
00:24:11,140 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Molly, are you getting all this? Well, it's on.

504
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,100
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

505
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: That's right. Someone's listening. Did you know?

506
00:24:16,859 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 2: This whole time for 10 years.

507
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: Shut up.

508
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,790
Speaker 2: No, it's been recorded. Yeah. What about Liz Claiborne perfume

509
00:24:22,810 --> 00:24:23,590
Speaker 2: in the triangle?

510
00:24:23,650 --> 00:24:24,670
Speaker 1: Yeah, Liz Claiborne.

511
00:24:24,690 --> 00:24:26,820
Speaker 2: That was mine for a long time. All right.

512
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:27,820
Speaker 1: We could go on and on.

513
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: We've done it.

514
00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: We've done it. Jupe. Jupe.

515
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: And there's jupe for home as well.

516
00:24:33,420 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: For him.

517
00:24:34,660 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: Home. Home.

518
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: Home jupe and away jupe.

519
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: Home jupe. Okay. All right, we've done it.

520
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:43,419
Speaker 2: Let's get into this.

521
00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

522
00:24:44,619 --> 00:24:46,379
Speaker 3: We're fucking off on a live show?

523
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,580
Speaker 2: This is unprecedented.

524
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:47,740
Speaker 1: Truly.

525
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:48,899
Speaker 2: Truly. All right.

526
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: Well, let's get into the stories, shall we? These are

527
00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:51,820
Speaker 1: good ones.

528
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:52,300
Speaker 2: That's right.

529
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,580
Speaker 1: Also, just to get back to the live show, I

530
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: remember this being a really fun show and I have

531
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,700
Speaker 1: the best memories of Salt Lake City performing there.

532
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,270
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City was, I don't know what I was expecting,

533
00:25:06,010 --> 00:25:09,869
Speaker 2: but they were so with us, like right in lockstep

534
00:25:09,910 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: with us.

535
00:25:10,270 --> 00:25:12,050
Speaker 1: It was all college kids. So it was just like,

536
00:25:12,550 --> 00:25:14,150
Speaker 1: And teachers and stuff. So it was so much fun.

537
00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:17,110
Speaker 2: Yeah. It felt so good. No, I totally remember. The

538
00:25:17,130 --> 00:25:20,030
Speaker 2: second I saw that it was that library story, I

539
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:23,610
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. This was great. Okay. Well,

540
00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:25,629
Speaker 2: we're going to get into it now. Georgia had to

541
00:25:25,650 --> 00:25:27,870
Speaker 2: go first this time. So this is Georgia's story about

542
00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:28,990
Speaker 2: Ronnie Lee Gardner.

543
00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: I go first, right? Do you? Yes. Yes. Did you

544
00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:41,190
Speaker 1: go first, Les? Yes, yes, yes.

545
00:25:41,869 --> 00:25:43,970
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went first today.

546
00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:47,990
Speaker 2: We've actually just caught up with ourselves podcasting-wise. What?

547
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:49,790
Speaker 1: It's today, today.

548
00:25:49,810 --> 00:25:51,410
Speaker 2: It's today in this world.

549
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:52,350
Speaker 1: Fuck.

550
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:56,190
Speaker 2: All right. Could we have some oxygen rolled out onto

551
00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:57,210
Speaker 2: the stage?

552
00:25:58,190 --> 00:26:01,939
Speaker 1: So we heard that people have fainted on this stage before. Yeah.

553
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: My head is a little warm right now, actually. I

554
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:04,970
Speaker 1: want to do it.

555
00:26:05,540 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: Do it.

556
00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:07,660
Speaker 3: Go down in the middle of this story.

557
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,510
Speaker 1: I'll do it.

558
00:26:08,660 --> 00:26:09,830
Speaker 3: I'm here for it.

559
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:11,670
Speaker 1: What if I have to pee and so I just

560
00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:14,750
Speaker 1: pretend to faint so I can go pee and then

561
00:26:14,790 --> 00:26:15,290
Speaker 1: come back?

562
00:26:15,869 --> 00:26:17,990
Speaker 3: If you fake a seizure, you can pee during it.

563
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:18,710
Speaker 1: Oh.

564
00:26:19,030 --> 00:26:19,270
Speaker 2: Yeah.

565
00:26:19,890 --> 00:26:21,820
Speaker 1: That's what happens. Great.

566
00:26:21,859 --> 00:26:24,340
Speaker 2: Grandma, baby. Let it all go.

567
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: What if I actually have a seizure now and everyone

568
00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:27,619
Speaker 1: thinks I'm faking?

569
00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: Fuck.

570
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: This isn't going to work.

571
00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:31,070
Speaker 3: Just roll you up in this carpet.

572
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:34,729
Speaker 1: Okay, this is.

573
00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: If anything happened to us, we would just be taken

574
00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: off the stage and Celine would be right up there

575
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: in one fucking second.

576
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: She's like, I actually happen to have a PowerPoint presentation

577
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: of all the times they've been wrong.

578
00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:51,700
Speaker 3: That's exciting.

579
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: It is. This is the story of the murderer, Ronnie

580
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,659
Speaker 1: Lee Gardner, Utah.

581
00:26:59,869 --> 00:27:03,450
Speaker 2: What a dick. Is this guy a real dick?

582
00:27:03,530 --> 00:27:07,070
Speaker 1: He's a real dick. Okay. All right. This guy, Ronnie

583
00:27:07,109 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: Lee Gardner, he's born in Salt Lake City, Utah. You've

584
00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: heard of it. On January 16th, 1961. Great. There we are. Okay.

585
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,340
Speaker 3: Don't get defensive about it.

586
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:20,300
Speaker 1: I'm establishing a time and a place. I see. He

587
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: is the youngest of seven fucking children. It's not where

588
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,530
Speaker 1: you want to be. That's rough. His father's a heavy drinker.

589
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:31,050
Speaker 1: And when Ronnie's a toddler, he's like, you know what?

590
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:33,090
Speaker 1: I'm going to start over and try this again. And

591
00:27:33,130 --> 00:27:35,209
Speaker 1: he leaves to start a new family. Which is like,

592
00:27:35,270 --> 00:27:37,710
Speaker 1: you gave it a shot, and it didn't work, so

593
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:39,030
Speaker 1: maybe you shouldn't keep trying.

594
00:27:39,330 --> 00:27:41,770
Speaker 2: Yeah, get out of the family business and go into, like,

595
00:27:41,810 --> 00:27:42,990
Speaker 2: mattresses or something. Right.

596
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:47,650
Speaker 1: It's not working for you. You tried seven times. So,

597
00:27:48,130 --> 00:27:51,700
Speaker 1: soon after that, Ronnie... Okay, Ronnie is an asshole. We

598
00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: hate him. However, he had really no chance not to

599
00:27:55,260 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: be based on his childhood. I mean, it's bad. Okay,

600
00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:03,730
Speaker 1: let's do it. Soon after... Little baby Ronnie is found

601
00:28:03,869 --> 00:28:08,109
Speaker 1: wandering the streets in a diaper, malnourished. What? Just fucking

602
00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:09,710
Speaker 1: walked away the way you used to do, but it

603
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:10,770
Speaker 1: was funny when you did it.

604
00:28:10,790 --> 00:28:13,909
Speaker 2: That's right. Because I had like pigtails and we were

605
00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:14,870
Speaker 2: in the country.

606
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:16,410
Speaker 1: And you were like supervised.

607
00:28:16,810 --> 00:28:20,190
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Lightly supervised. Right.

608
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: You were 1970s something supervised.

609
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:22,380
Speaker 4: Right.

610
00:28:22,460 --> 00:28:24,780
Speaker 3: Which meant a truck drove by every once in a while.

611
00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

612
00:28:26,190 --> 00:28:28,929
Speaker 1: Which now would be child neglect, but back then it

613
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:29,810
Speaker 1: was how you parent.

614
00:28:30,390 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: Wait, so how old was he when this happened?

615
00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:36,300
Speaker 1: He was a toddler. Oh, okay. Fuck. Child welfare comes

616
00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:39,380
Speaker 1: in and does a fail to care petition, takes him

617
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: into custody, but later return him to his mother. And

618
00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:45,540
Speaker 1: according to Ronnie, he was raised by an older sister

619
00:28:45,780 --> 00:28:49,180
Speaker 1: and also he was sexually abused by his siblings. Sometimes

620
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,910
Speaker 1: he and his sister Bonnie would run away and seek refuge.

621
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:55,590
Speaker 1: They'd be like, this home life sucks. Let's go somewhere safe.

622
00:28:55,670 --> 00:28:58,010
Speaker 1: By the time he's 10 years old, Ronnie is addicted

623
00:28:58,050 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: to drugs and he's allowed to have alcohol. 10? Which

624
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: like my mom bought me Zima to try when I

625
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: was 12. So mom, it's your fault. All of this

626
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: is your fault.

627
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,780
Speaker 2: I made myself a wine spritzer when I was, I

628
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,420
Speaker 2: think I was in seventh grade. Me and my friend

629
00:29:16,460 --> 00:29:18,570
Speaker 2: Holly drank our parents' liquor and talked on the phone

630
00:29:18,670 --> 00:29:19,070
Speaker 2: one time.

631
00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:20,110
Speaker 1: Oh my God.

632
00:29:20,170 --> 00:29:21,590
Speaker 2: We were just like, let's just do it.

633
00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:22,450
Speaker 3: Who cares?

634
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:25,550
Speaker 1: You thought you were so sophisticated? I need a drink.

635
00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:27,350
Speaker 1: I'm seventh grade.

636
00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:31,489
Speaker 2: I'm the youngest alcoholic in my school.

637
00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:38,830
Speaker 1: Be proud of that. So Ronnie still had a relationship

638
00:29:38,850 --> 00:29:40,990
Speaker 1: with his father, but it was a really shitty relationship

639
00:29:41,030 --> 00:29:44,830
Speaker 1: because his dad didn't think that ronnie was his biological

640
00:29:45,130 --> 00:29:48,190
Speaker 1: kid so he and he told his son and all

641
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:50,070
Speaker 1: his siblings that all the time which is a great

642
00:29:50,110 --> 00:29:52,410
Speaker 1: way to raise your kid yeah or not your kid

643
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:57,469
Speaker 1: uh that he was he so ran ronnie and his

644
00:29:57,510 --> 00:30:00,430
Speaker 1: brother were arrested for stealing cowboy boots and taken to

645
00:30:00,450 --> 00:30:02,610
Speaker 1: juvenile detention which i think is something you probably would

646
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:04,969
Speaker 1: have done absolutely because cowboy.

647
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:08,100
Speaker 2: Boots technically i did steal them off of my sister

648
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: right i've told this story but my sister on her

649
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:14,540
Speaker 2: fifth her sixth birthday my aunt jean gave her a

650
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,620
Speaker 2: pair of red cowboy boots and when she opened the

651
00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: box i screamed at the top of my lungs put

652
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,850
Speaker 2: them on and would not take them off And then

653
00:30:21,910 --> 00:30:24,090
Speaker 2: I wore red cowboy boots for like two years straight.

654
00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:25,690
Speaker 1: Yeah. Finders keepers.

655
00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:26,250
Speaker 2: That's right.

656
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:27,670
Speaker 3: Screamers keepers.

657
00:30:29,890 --> 00:30:34,210
Speaker 1: So they go to juvenile detention and his stupid father

658
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,660
Speaker 1: comes and takes his brother home but won't take him

659
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,700
Speaker 1: home because he's like, he's not my son. I'm not

660
00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:44,820
Speaker 1: bailing him out. That's rough. Yeah. So Ronnie's mom eventually

661
00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: marries another man and they have nine children.

662
00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:57,580
Speaker 2: What in the... Yo! Catholics? In Utah? Does that even happen? Okay.

663
00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: But Ronnie actually admired his stepfather because he had been

664
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: in prison in the past. And he used his stepsons

665
00:31:07,140 --> 00:31:09,220
Speaker 1: as lookouts while burglarizing homes.

666
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:13,729
Speaker 2: Good. Yes. You've got to get a whole family, like

667
00:31:14,110 --> 00:31:16,250
Speaker 2: a thing going. What is everybody like? Do you like

668
00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:18,830
Speaker 2: to play Uno? Do you like to burglarize your neighbors?

669
00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:19,210
Speaker 1: Right.

670
00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:20,130
Speaker 3: Whatever it is.

671
00:31:20,170 --> 00:31:21,110
Speaker 1: Do it as a family.

672
00:31:21,170 --> 00:31:21,580
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.

673
00:31:23,410 --> 00:31:29,870
Speaker 1: Um, and then, uh, buh, buh, buh, buh, bi-boop, then detention, institutions.

674
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:30,190
Speaker 2: All right.

675
00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:31,950
Speaker 1: So by his teens, early teens, he had been in

676
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:35,230
Speaker 1: all these places locked up. While he's in the Utah

677
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,020
Speaker 1: State Industrial School in Ogden, uh, Ronnie has visited... Pretty

678
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: good school? I think it's like a lockup. It's like

679
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,460
Speaker 1: a juvenile detention school. It's juvie.

680
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.

681
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:54,310
Speaker 1: Ronnie's visited by a man that his brother, Randy's living with,

682
00:31:54,350 --> 00:31:56,450
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, this guy, this older dude is great.

683
00:31:56,550 --> 00:31:59,310
Speaker 1: His name's Jack Stat. I'm living with him. You should

684
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:59,930
Speaker 1: live with him, too.

685
00:32:00,130 --> 00:32:01,170
Speaker 3: Jack Stack?

686
00:32:01,290 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: Stat. Like, stat. Immediately? Immediately. I just say the word.

687
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, like, the same word I just said.

688
00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:10,500
Speaker 2: Yeah, stat. Like, stat.

689
00:32:10,540 --> 00:32:17,110
Speaker 1: Like, quickly. In 1975, so Ronnie moves in with stat

690
00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:21,370
Speaker 1: and randy and become and this guy becomes an official

691
00:32:21,530 --> 00:32:24,930
Speaker 1: foster parent to the boys and so ronnie at the

692
00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: time is saying that of his foster care it's the

693
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: most stable period of his life saying jack was a

694
00:32:29,860 --> 00:32:31,700
Speaker 1: good man and he tried to help us out jack

695
00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: was also molesting them and that was still the best

696
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,500
Speaker 1: home life he's experienced so it's just fucking sad it's

697
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: terrible um He said, I thought life was normal. I

698
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,580
Speaker 1: thought that was normal. And he said he also worked

699
00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: as a sex worker while living with stat as well.

700
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,700
Speaker 2: And he's in his teens?

701
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So then he meets, I don't know what year exactly,

702
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:58,150
Speaker 1: but he meets a woman named Deborah Bischoff, or a teen.

703
00:32:58,210 --> 00:32:59,930
Speaker 1: I don't know how old she was either. I did

704
00:32:59,970 --> 00:33:00,390
Speaker 1: my homework.

705
00:33:00,430 --> 00:33:00,950
Speaker 2: Yeah.

706
00:33:02,020 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: They meet at a Salt Lake City apartment complex where

707
00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: his mom lives and they fall in love. Debra describes

708
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: Ronnie as very caring. He never put me through, he

709
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: never put me in the rough situations he was in

710
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,050
Speaker 1: throughout his life. He sheltered me from that stuff.

711
00:33:16,510 --> 00:33:18,570
Speaker 2: I feel like we got to get our standards a

712
00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:22,730
Speaker 2: little higher. He doesn't punch me in the face.

713
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:26,590
Speaker 1: He doesn't take me along with burglarizing. He keeps me

714
00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:27,130
Speaker 1: out of that.

715
00:33:27,550 --> 00:33:29,270
Speaker 2: Because of that, I love him so.

716
00:33:29,310 --> 00:33:34,790
Speaker 1: Yeah. In 1977, they have a daughter together. And in 1980,

717
00:33:34,790 --> 00:33:38,750
Speaker 1: they have a son. But a month after his son

718
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:41,390
Speaker 1: is born, Ronnie is convicted of robbery and sent to

719
00:33:41,410 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: the Utah State Prison. Want to see a picture of him? Yes. Good. Oh.

720
00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I just could not put this photo up.

721
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:51,860
Speaker 1: He looks like Steven there.

722
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: Oh. Oh.

723
00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: Yes. Not what you expected, right?

724
00:33:59,050 --> 00:34:00,070
Speaker 2: Neck tats and shit?

725
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,070
Speaker 1: He's in court, so he's like dressed up nice.

726
00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:04,670
Speaker 2: But also leaning on your hand, leaning on your fist

727
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:07,850
Speaker 2: with your chin like that is Stephen Ray Morris to

728
00:34:07,870 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: a T.

729
00:34:07,950 --> 00:34:08,740
Speaker 1: Oh my God, it is.

730
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:11,529
Speaker 2: That's like how he podcast records.

731
00:34:12,610 --> 00:34:15,490
Speaker 1: And then he reaches his fingers out and then strokes

732
00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:17,609
Speaker 1: his mustache like, I'm not fucking even making this up.

733
00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:20,450
Speaker 1: I'm not even making fun of him. I mean, I am,

734
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:22,070
Speaker 1: but he really does it.

735
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:24,170
Speaker 2: And then we look over at him and we go

736
00:34:24,210 --> 00:34:25,580
Speaker 2: to say one thing to him and he goes....

737
00:34:29,330 --> 00:34:29,690
Speaker 1: Steven.

738
00:34:29,870 --> 00:34:31,049
Speaker 3: Steven, we really like you.

739
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:33,950
Speaker 1: We do. Happy Valentine's Day.

740
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:35,610
Speaker 3: Happy Valentine's Day.

741
00:34:36,170 --> 00:34:39,350
Speaker 2: Editing our terrible voices that you're so sick of.

742
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:44,450
Speaker 1: So sick of. He missed some pizza and these cheese

743
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:45,589
Speaker 1: mozzarella sticks.

744
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,030
Speaker 2: Yes.

745
00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: They're so bad. They came with ketchup.

746
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,460
Speaker 2: But the sticks themselves were perfect cylinders of mozzarella cheese

747
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: that was fried. Frozen.

748
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: Like they came out of a box.

749
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: Look.

750
00:34:59,150 --> 00:35:00,070
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not judging.

751
00:35:00,130 --> 00:35:03,770
Speaker 2: What do you want? Fucking fresh mozzarella sticks? No fucking way.

752
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:05,350
Speaker 1: Frozen.

753
00:35:05,850 --> 00:35:07,669
Speaker 2: Old. From somewhere else.

754
00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:08,270
Speaker 1: Ketchup.

755
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:09,530
Speaker 3: Hard to eat.

756
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,339
Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking for.

757
00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: I ate all of them.

758
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,500
Speaker 3: Ketchup. You're like, do you remember me?

759
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,740
Speaker 2: I was eating them alongside you. I'm not judging these things.

760
00:35:19,219 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: Uh we got a salad and then i ate it

761
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,300
Speaker 1: with my hand that's right why did i do that.

762
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:24,860
Speaker 2: It's kind of how you wrapped up the meal it's

763
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,630
Speaker 2: like how you let everyone know we're done doing this it's.

764
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:29,950
Speaker 1: Like i have to eat my quota of lettuce.

765
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:32,630
Speaker 2: Yes seven handfuls of lettuce and we're done with.

766
00:35:32,530 --> 00:35:39,700
Speaker 1: Dinner okay um so that's ronnie in august of 1984

767
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:43,299
Speaker 1: while in prison ronnie fakes an illness by vomiting he

768
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,340
Speaker 1: didn't have a fake.

769
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,489
Speaker 2: Seizure There's so many ways.

770
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:49,549
Speaker 1: I mean, he fakes an illness and he's transported the

771
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:51,770
Speaker 1: University of Utah hospital.

772
00:35:51,790 --> 00:35:54,380
Speaker 2: Is that next door?

773
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: It's in the basement.

774
00:35:59,620 --> 00:36:03,739
Speaker 1: He attacks the transportation officer at that moment and is like,

775
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: fuck this, I'm out of here. He forces the officer

776
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:10,029
Speaker 1: to unlock his shackles by telling him, I guess you

777
00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:13,290
Speaker 1: know that, I guess you know if that doctor comes back,

778
00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:15,589
Speaker 1: I'll have to kill you both. So he makes him

779
00:36:15,610 --> 00:36:17,850
Speaker 1: take off his shackles at gunpoint. And then in the

780
00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:21,910
Speaker 1: course of his escape, he hits the officer so hard

781
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:24,460
Speaker 1: that he needed wires to reconstruct his face.

782
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: Fuck.

783
00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:28,260
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like, we're not on his side anymore.

784
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,900
Speaker 2: Okay. All empathy has died.

785
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had him. Cowboy boots is a forgivable thing, man.

786
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:36,910
Speaker 2: Look, I was relating to him in a very serious

787
00:36:36,969 --> 00:36:39,750
Speaker 2: way right up until you said the word wire.

788
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:43,649
Speaker 1: I know. Ugh. Reconstruct. That's not... Come on. That never

789
00:36:43,710 --> 00:36:46,350
Speaker 1: goes well. Just escape.

790
00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:47,030
Speaker 2: Yeah.

791
00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:49,570
Speaker 3: Just fucking escape and let people have their face.

792
00:36:51,989 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: Then, so he's like, okay, he got out of the hospital,

793
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,219
Speaker 1: but he's like, how do I get the fuck out

794
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: of here? He finds a dude, a medical student, who's like, hey,

795
00:37:01,340 --> 00:37:03,580
Speaker 1: I'm a medical student and I ride a motorcycle. And

796
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,580
Speaker 1: he gets on the back of the motorcycle with the guy,

797
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,230
Speaker 1: holds the gun to his back and is like, get

798
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:11,589
Speaker 1: me the fuck out of here as if it's like

799
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:12,830
Speaker 1: fucking James Bond or some shit.

800
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:16,540
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. I have to say I kind of like

801
00:37:16,580 --> 00:37:19,980
Speaker 2: that because you know that medical student was a cocky motherfucker.

802
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:21,700
Speaker 3: So it's just like, yeah.

803
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: How about if we hold the gun to you every

804
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,220
Speaker 2: once in a while, you son of a bitch?

805
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,860
Speaker 1: And if nothing else, he had the coolest story to

806
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:31,100
Speaker 1: tell on Monday. Exactly. You know what I mean? Totally. A,

807
00:37:31,090 --> 00:37:35,710
Speaker 1: he's the cool doctor who fucking rides a motorcycle. Which

808
00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:37,489
Speaker 1: is like, if you're a doctor and you're doing that,

809
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:38,810
Speaker 1: you don't care about yourself.

810
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:44,130
Speaker 2: That's right. You're taking your own pills for sure. Because

811
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:47,170
Speaker 2: you see what happens to people who ride motorcycles and

812
00:37:47,290 --> 00:37:51,739
Speaker 2: fix them. Their faces need reconstruction. It's a serious wire situation.

813
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: And you're like, I'm going to get one.

814
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: Too, though. That's right. That's exactly right.

815
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 3: Well, we've ripped doctors a new one.

816
00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: And everyone who came here on a motorcycle. It's half

817
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:10,460
Speaker 1: the crowd is doctors, the other half is from a

818
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,460
Speaker 1: motorcycle club. They're like, oh.

819
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,060
Speaker 3: You didn't know this university was a teaching hospital?

820
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,610
Speaker 2: Almost everyone here is in medicine in some way.

821
00:38:19,950 --> 00:38:22,469
Speaker 1: Well, when I faint, nobody come save me. I'm faking it.

822
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:23,509
Speaker 2: Um.

823
00:38:25,850 --> 00:38:28,469
Speaker 2: Pop a wheelie? Just, like, blaze on out of the

824
00:38:28,489 --> 00:38:30,049
Speaker 2: parking lot?

825
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:33,700
Speaker 1: Later days. Okay. Boop, boop. Letter.

826
00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: Okay.

827
00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: Okay. On August 11th, so he gets out of there,

828
00:38:40,260 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: and then after he escapes, he puts the firearm gun,

829
00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:51,990
Speaker 1: that's copy and pasted, the gun and a note into

830
00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:55,690
Speaker 1: a mailbox. Um, and in it, he writes, here's the

831
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:57,910
Speaker 1: gun and the wallet taken from the guard. So he

832
00:38:57,950 --> 00:39:00,550
Speaker 1: gives the wallet back. He's like, sorry about the face.

833
00:39:00,610 --> 00:39:03,970
Speaker 1: He didn't apologize for that. Um, taken from the guard.

834
00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:05,650
Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt no one else. I just

835
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: want to be free. So he returns and he's like,

836
00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: just not coming back.

837
00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:10,460
Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of nice. Right.

838
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,180
Speaker 1: But then please, please hold.

839
00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: Yes.

840
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,700
Speaker 1: Okay. Um, all right. So he gets, he's on October 9th, 1984.

841
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,510
Speaker 1: He's fucked up on cocaine and And he goes to

842
00:39:21,530 --> 00:39:25,140
Speaker 1: a place called Cheers Tavern. Totally forgot to say if

843
00:39:25,180 --> 00:39:25,819
Speaker 1: it was still there.

844
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,989
Speaker 2: Oh, like the TV show?

845
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:29,790
Speaker 1: Do you have a tube?

846
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: Remake here?

847
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,300
Speaker 1: I don't know.

848
00:39:35,660 --> 00:39:38,420
Speaker 2: Is it? Are Norman Cliff, like, sitting at the end

849
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: of the bar? Animatronic Norman Cliff?

850
00:39:41,969 --> 00:39:45,670
Speaker 1: Oh, why hasn't that happened yet? Oh, fuck. After party

851
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:46,210
Speaker 1: at Cheers.

852
00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:47,170
Speaker 2: Um.

853
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: Cheers, Tavern.

854
00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.

855
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: Okay.

856
00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:52,930
Speaker 3: Sam Malone's in the balcony. I'm so excited.

857
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:59,330
Speaker 1: And his mustache. So he goes there to rob the place, right? What?

858
00:39:59,650 --> 00:40:00,380
Speaker 1: He had a mustache.

859
00:40:00,450 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 2: Sam Malone?

860
00:40:01,650 --> 00:40:02,390
Speaker 1: He had a mustache.

861
00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:04,310
Speaker 2: Are you thinking of the, you're thinking of Cliff Clavin,

862
00:40:04,330 --> 00:40:04,830
Speaker 2: the mailman.

863
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:06,670
Speaker 1: Yeah. He had one too.

864
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:08,330
Speaker 2: Girl, don't do this.

865
00:40:08,469 --> 00:40:10,149
Speaker 1: Okay. Where were we?

866
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:10,469
Speaker 2: All right.

867
00:40:10,489 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: Well, here, let's stop laughing because he's fucked up on Coke.

868
00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: He goes to Rob Cheers Tavern and he ends up

869
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,900
Speaker 1: shooting the bartender at Melvin John Otterstrom in the face,

870
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,670
Speaker 1: killing him. And Ronnie makes off with less than a

871
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:30,500
Speaker 1: hundred fucking dollars too. Um, Then Ronnie goes to fucking

872
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: Melvin John Otterstrom's funeral and pretends to be a childhood friend. What?

873
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,340
Speaker 2: What a dick.

874
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,739
Speaker 1: Like, that to me is, like, crosses the line between, like,

875
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:43,580
Speaker 1: you were fucked up and shot someone and you suck. But, like,

876
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,890
Speaker 1: it's just so creepy.

877
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 3: It's... No, that's super creepy.

878
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:48,779
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sociopath.

879
00:40:48,860 --> 00:40:51,100
Speaker 2: Also, how is that the same guy that puts the

880
00:40:51,140 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: wallet back in the fucking mailbox and is like, sorry

881
00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: for your troubles?

882
00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:56,100
Speaker 1: No, it's, I don't know.

883
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 2: That's, wow.

884
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,110
Speaker 1: Here's a photo of, um, of, where did it go? Oh,

885
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:03,250
Speaker 1: that's not the right page.

886
00:41:04,489 --> 00:41:05,870
Speaker 3: So, like, basically, he went to.

887
00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:08,890
Speaker 2: This guy's funeral and, like, mingled enough so that he

888
00:41:08,910 --> 00:41:10,510
Speaker 2: was telling people who he was?

889
00:41:10,570 --> 00:41:11,130
Speaker 1: I guess.

890
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:12,170
Speaker 2: Fuck.

891
00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:16,330
Speaker 1: Yeah. This is Melvin John Otterstrom, uh, Boop.

892
00:41:17,660 --> 00:41:18,060
Speaker 2: Aww.

893
00:41:18,739 --> 00:41:26,210
Speaker 1: Look how cute he is. And then, okay, so. Okay,

894
00:41:26,250 --> 00:41:28,969
Speaker 1: three weeks later, Ronnie gets captured at the home of

895
00:41:29,010 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: his cousin. And once he's captured, Ronnie says that the

896
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: shooting occurred because Otter Shrimp had up a fight, but

897
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:37,980
Speaker 1: investigators didn't find any evidence to support that. Which I'm like,

898
00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:40,180
Speaker 1: it's still your fucking fault, dude. Like, even if he

899
00:41:40,219 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: put up a fight for his fucking life, it's still

900
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: your fault.

901
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: Also, you're on coke.

902
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,540
Speaker 2: You don't know what's fucking going on.

903
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: That's true.

904
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,620
Speaker 2: Like, you're... No.

905
00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: Ronnie's held in custody. His getaway driver testifies against him. So,

906
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: during the trial for this murder on April 2nd, 1985,

907
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: at the Metropolin... Metropolin? Metropolitan.

908
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:03,339
Speaker 2: That's right.

909
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:03,860
Speaker 1: Fuck!

910
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,260
Speaker 3: You got it, though.

911
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: Third charm. Third try's a charm.

912
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,130
Speaker 1: Wow. Because it looks like Metropolis, and then it changed.

913
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:15,950
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, it could go either

914
00:42:15,969 --> 00:42:20,390
Speaker 1: way in the beginning. But it's not. It's Metropolitan.

915
00:42:20,570 --> 00:42:21,730
Speaker 2: You know the Metropolin.

916
00:42:23,530 --> 00:42:26,390
Speaker 1: You know that word I've known for fucking the 37

917
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:29,190
Speaker 1: years I've been on this planet that I just didn't see.

918
00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: Metropolitan Hall of Justice in Salt Lake City. So Ronnie

919
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,460
Speaker 1: gets a smug... Someone smuggles him a fucking revolver. Revolver?

920
00:42:40,739 --> 00:42:41,020
Speaker 2: Yes.

921
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:46,890
Speaker 1: Revolver at his trial and Ronnie attempts to escape. He

922
00:42:46,930 --> 00:42:49,810
Speaker 1: fucking has his gun. Who did it? We'll get there.

923
00:42:49,830 --> 00:42:50,149
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

924
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:57,110
Speaker 1: Um... He has his gun. He's immediately shot in the

925
00:42:57,210 --> 00:43:01,290
Speaker 1: chest by the guard, Luther Hensley, but he continues on

926
00:43:01,330 --> 00:43:04,260
Speaker 1: his fucking escape with a fucking gunshot wound to the chest.

927
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 3: Was he still on coke?

928
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:11,390
Speaker 1: Probably. Okay. He wounds an unarmed bailiff named George Nick

929
00:43:11,570 --> 00:43:14,229
Speaker 1: Kirk by shooting him in the abdomen and then ran

930
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:19,690
Speaker 1: into the courtroom archives where attorneys Rob Macri and Michael

931
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:23,210
Speaker 1: Burdell are. So they're just like in the fucking archives

932
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:24,530
Speaker 1: being like, boop, boop, boop.

933
00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:27,330
Speaker 2: Going like, we love law. Let's look at some old ones.

934
00:43:27,370 --> 00:43:29,010
Speaker 1: Let's see what we can find about this.

935
00:43:29,230 --> 00:43:31,150
Speaker 3: These stories are incredible.

936
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:31,310
Speaker 1: Yeah.

937
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: Let's memorize every fucking word.

938
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, we don't even... We're not even on trial today.

939
00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just loving law.

940
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:44,540
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Gardner... Ronnie comes in, points the gun at them,

941
00:43:44,739 --> 00:43:48,140
Speaker 1: and then he aims at Burdell, who'd been... He was

942
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,859
Speaker 1: there looking up shit for his pro bono work for

943
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: his church. So, like, you couldn't be there for, like,

944
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: a more honest reason. And Ronnie shoots him in the

945
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,489
Speaker 1: eye and then runs outside of the building... where he's

946
00:44:00,570 --> 00:44:03,330
Speaker 1: surrounded by dozens of police officers.

947
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:04,670
Speaker 3: Police softeners.

948
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:04,890
Speaker 2: Fuck.

949
00:44:07,210 --> 00:44:07,590
Speaker 1: Sorry.

950
00:44:07,610 --> 00:44:07,670
Speaker 2: No.

951
00:44:08,350 --> 00:44:09,270
Speaker 1: But that's a good one.

952
00:44:11,469 --> 00:44:14,230
Speaker 2: Police softeners. It's like woolite.

953
00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:15,690
Speaker 1: Yeah. For cops.

954
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:19,990
Speaker 2: He drops the gun and yells, don't shoot.

955
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:21,529
Speaker 1: I don't have a gun. But I'm like, neither do

956
00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:22,989
Speaker 1: the fucking people you just shot, you dick.

957
00:44:23,010 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

958
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:24,549
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

959
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: Sorry. This might be a dumb question.

960
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:27,060
Speaker 1: Okay.

961
00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:29,910
Speaker 2: The guy that he shot in the eye?

962
00:44:30,010 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: You just keep jumping ahead.

963
00:44:31,469 --> 00:44:34,410
Speaker 2: Okay. No more. No more from me.

964
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:36,649
Speaker 1: He dies.

965
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:37,150
Speaker 2: Oh.

966
00:44:37,290 --> 00:44:37,629
Speaker 1: I know.

967
00:44:38,590 --> 00:44:39,190
Speaker 2: Sorry.

968
00:44:40,690 --> 00:44:46,230
Speaker 1: But the bailiff's Nick Kirk survives. Okay, good. However, he

969
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:48,810
Speaker 1: dies 11 years later, and his family says it's from

970
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:52,230
Speaker 1: complications from the gunshot wound, which I'm like, yeah, you

971
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:54,450
Speaker 1: get shot in the gut the rest of your fucking life.

972
00:44:54,469 --> 00:44:57,830
Speaker 1: So I think... Fuck him. Fuck Ronnie.

973
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:58,930
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure.

974
00:45:00,350 --> 00:45:02,969
Speaker 1: During a search of the courthouse then, they find a

975
00:45:03,090 --> 00:45:06,130
Speaker 1: bag of men's clothing in the basement under a woman's

976
00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:09,170
Speaker 1: restroom sink. So someone had come in, stashed some clothing

977
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:09,970
Speaker 1: for his getaway.

978
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:10,750
Speaker 2: A woman.

979
00:45:10,770 --> 00:45:13,950
Speaker 1: A woman. And then it's believed that the gun had

980
00:45:13,989 --> 00:45:16,870
Speaker 1: been taped to a water fountain on the first floor

981
00:45:17,110 --> 00:45:20,069
Speaker 1: and then passed to Ronnie as he was escorted into

982
00:45:20,110 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: the courthouse in the underground parking garage. So they find...

983
00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:33,550
Speaker 1: They find his girlfriend, Darcy, unarmed and arrested about a

984
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:36,830
Speaker 1: mile away. And her sister, Karma.

985
00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:38,190
Speaker 2: Karma?

986
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:43,700
Speaker 1: That's what it says. She's sentenced to eight years in

987
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: prison for delivering the clothes and message in preparation for

988
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,620
Speaker 1: the escape attempt. But they don't know who actually gave

989
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: him the gun. So she gets prison. Okay. Karma. She

990
00:45:54,219 --> 00:45:55,259
Speaker 1: gets karma.

991
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,129
Speaker 3: This girlfriend's sister goes to prison.

992
00:45:58,230 --> 00:46:06,770
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's bullshit. Right. So let's see here.

993
00:46:06,810 --> 00:46:08,430
Speaker 1: I think I have a photo of this. That's him

994
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:09,090
Speaker 1: with a beard. Oh.

995
00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:10,380
Speaker 2: It's like my dad. Oh.

996
00:46:10,739 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: Marty.

997
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:13,650
Speaker 2: He kind of looks like our therapist a little bit.

998
00:46:13,770 --> 00:46:14,690
Speaker 2: He does.

999
00:46:14,969 --> 00:46:17,810
Speaker 1: Oh my God. Oh my God. He totally looks like

1000
00:46:17,850 --> 00:46:18,469
Speaker 1: our therapist.

1001
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:20,509
Speaker 3: It's intention versus impact.

1002
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:23,540
Speaker 1: I hear him saying, what I'm hearing your experience is.

1003
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: Can you turn to Karen and say that?

1004
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:26,819
Speaker 1: No, I hate it.

1005
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,820
Speaker 2: It's awkward. That's the best worst part of our therapy sessions.

1006
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,779
Speaker 2: If we're like saying something meaningful and then he'll be like,

1007
00:46:34,090 --> 00:46:35,810
Speaker 2: will you turn to Georgia and say that? And then

1008
00:46:35,830 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: I'm like, Looking at her is the most repulsive thing

1009
00:46:38,860 --> 00:46:42,700
Speaker 2: in that moment. I'm just like... No, I mean like... Well.

1010
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: For myself.

1011
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:49,700
Speaker 2: We have something to talk about next week.

1012
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,219
Speaker 1: For sure.

1013
00:46:53,090 --> 00:46:54,290
Speaker 3: I should have said vulnerable.

1014
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:56,730
Speaker 1: Upsetting to me.

1015
00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:57,870
Speaker 2: You should have, but you didn't.

1016
00:46:58,030 --> 00:46:58,850
Speaker 1: Oh, no!

1017
00:47:00,130 --> 00:47:01,189
Speaker 3: Strike 19.

1018
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:06,430
Speaker 1: Well... Vince, write that down. Steven....

1019
00:47:07,350 --> 00:47:08,330
Speaker 2: Steven, mark that moment.

1020
00:47:08,350 --> 00:47:11,610
Speaker 1: Steven, mark that moment. That's going to be a minisode

1021
00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:12,470
Speaker 1: of just you saying that.

1022
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:14,620
Speaker 3: God, that was the worst word I could have used.

1023
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,660
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.

1024
00:47:19,219 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I look pretty fucking ugly when I cry. No!

1025
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:25,290
Speaker 2: Internal feelings. Impact.

1026
00:47:25,310 --> 00:47:28,830
Speaker 1: Got it. Intent. Let's take one more look at him.

1027
00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Here we go.

1028
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:32,270
Speaker 1: Calm down a little.

1029
00:47:32,290 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: Run, help us.

1030
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:37,299
Speaker 1: The grain of the temples. Well, the thing is, I

1031
00:47:37,340 --> 00:47:42,100
Speaker 1: said this thing. What did you hear, Georgia, when you

1032
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,469
Speaker 1: heard that? And then I'm like, well, I felt like

1033
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:47,219
Speaker 1: I was about to faint because I have no air.

1034
00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:48,940
Speaker 1: Feel how warm I am right now. Are you? I

1035
00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:49,340
Speaker 1: really am.

1036
00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:50,460
Speaker 2: Ooh, are you about to?

1037
00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:51,459
Speaker 1: I'm about to fucking faint.

1038
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:52,860
Speaker 2: Let's do this thing.

1039
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:53,940
Speaker 1: Ooh, sweaty. Okay.

1040
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 2: Boop. This is a viral moment waiting to happen.

1041
00:47:57,739 --> 00:48:02,750
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just embarrassed because of the word metro. What

1042
00:48:02,770 --> 00:48:06,890
Speaker 1: did I call it? Metropolitan airport. I don't remember.

1043
00:48:06,910 --> 00:48:10,050
Speaker 2: I don't either. No one else does either.

1044
00:48:10,070 --> 00:48:16,300
Speaker 1: Nope. Thanks. I'm glad they didn't happen. Okay. And then, okay.

1045
00:48:16,580 --> 00:48:20,700
Speaker 1: So when that, okay. So Ottersham, it was the guy

1046
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: in the bar was a mountain climber and a veteran

1047
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,819
Speaker 1: of this 19 special forces group of the Utah national guard. And,

1048
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:29,370
Speaker 1: and so is she.

1049
00:48:31,650 --> 00:48:32,590
Speaker 3: Thank you for your service.

1050
00:48:33,830 --> 00:48:37,090
Speaker 1: And the other guy, our therapist for Dell was a

1051
00:48:37,150 --> 00:48:40,180
Speaker 1: Vietnam veteran, a former engineer and a member of the

1052
00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:46,260
Speaker 1: summum church. Um, don't know what that is. And so then, okay.

1053
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: So they catch him back to he, even though he

1054
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:53,790
Speaker 1: had a fucking shot in his chest, right? June 1985,

1055
00:48:53,790 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: he pleads guilty to the murder of Ostrom. The jurors

1056
00:48:56,900 --> 00:48:59,700
Speaker 1: deliberate less than three hours and find him guilty of

1057
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,899
Speaker 1: capital murder. And life without parole isn't possible back then.

1058
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: They didn't come around until 1992 in Utah.

1059
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:07,180
Speaker 2: Oh.

1060
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:13,830
Speaker 1: So he's sentenced to death, making him then Utah's youngest

1061
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:17,190
Speaker 1: inmate on death row. And later, the jurors say that

1062
00:49:17,230 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: if they had known about his troubled past and his

1063
00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: childhood they maybe just if they could have given him

1064
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: life sentence they would have but you know they couldn't

1065
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:27,969
Speaker 1: as I just said okay which is like.

1066
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:29,890
Speaker 2: Pay attention stop making me repeat myself.

1067
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:34,650
Speaker 1: Article okay here's a here's an insane thing and this

1068
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:37,049
Speaker 1: is this is fucked up he's given the choice how

1069
00:49:37,090 --> 00:49:39,259
Speaker 1: he wants to be executed oh you know it's like

1070
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,100
Speaker 1: Why do we get that choice?

1071
00:49:41,140 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: Why is that?

1072
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: Just pick your dinner and be quiet.

1073
00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:47,379
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to choose your dinner. But nope, he

1074
00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:47,859
Speaker 2: picks his.

1075
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:51,930
Speaker 1: So he says, quote, I'd prefer to die of old age,

1076
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:54,770
Speaker 1: your honor. But if that ain't possible, I'll take the

1077
00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:55,710
Speaker 1: firing squad.

1078
00:49:56,190 --> 00:49:57,530
Speaker 2: Holy fuck.

1079
00:49:58,610 --> 00:50:03,330
Speaker 1: He is not fucking around. Fuck. And he's been shot

1080
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:05,779
Speaker 1: once already, so he fucking knows what it feels like.

1081
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,180
Speaker 2: Right?

1082
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,650
Speaker 1: Like, that's the craziest part. That doesn't feel good, probably.

1083
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:10,030
Speaker 2: No.

1084
00:50:10,110 --> 00:50:10,590
Speaker 1: I've never.

1085
00:50:10,850 --> 00:50:12,750
Speaker 2: He wouldn't want to go back to that. And yet.

1086
00:50:12,989 --> 00:50:13,390
Speaker 1: And yet?

1087
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:15,530
Speaker 2: He was just like, wow, that's nuts.

1088
00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: So, since 1976, only two other people have been executed

1089
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,860
Speaker 1: by firing squad of the United States, both in Utah. What?

1090
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:28,660
Speaker 1: I wouldn't share for that. I'm kidding.

1091
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:28,970
Speaker 2: I would.

1092
00:50:30,330 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: Gary Gilmore and John Albert Taylor... But this guy Taylor

1093
00:50:35,060 --> 00:50:38,070
Speaker 1: chose the firing squad to embarrass the state. But Ronnie

1094
00:50:38,190 --> 00:50:41,070
Speaker 1: said that he just didn't want to attract attention. He

1095
00:50:41,370 --> 00:50:42,570
Speaker 1: just preferred that way to die.

1096
00:50:43,050 --> 00:50:43,630
Speaker 2: Wow.

1097
00:50:43,650 --> 00:50:47,750
Speaker 1: So he got in a lot of trouble in prison. What?

1098
00:50:49,390 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: On October 20th, 1987. Okay. He's in the prison, the

1099
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: visiting area. There's a glass partition between him and the

1100
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: woman he's talking to. He fucking breaks the glass partition.

1101
00:50:59,820 --> 00:50:59,900
Speaker 2: What?

1102
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: What? then they somehow gets over the partition, I hope,

1103
00:51:04,219 --> 00:51:08,910
Speaker 1: and he and the woman have sex, like, through the

1104
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:13,790
Speaker 1: broken partition while the fucking other inmates cheered and barricaded

1105
00:51:13,830 --> 00:51:21,420
Speaker 1: the doors. Yeah. And, hold on, the fucking woman is

1106
00:51:21,460 --> 00:51:23,020
Speaker 1: his half-brother's wife.

1107
00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: What?

1108
00:51:25,180 --> 00:51:26,450
Speaker 1: What the fuck?

1109
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:27,629
Speaker 2: Shit, Utah.

1110
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:31,950
Speaker 1: What is Christmas like? What is the Thanksgiving conversation that year?

1111
00:51:32,070 --> 00:51:35,050
Speaker 2: My first question is, let's talk about that glass.

1112
00:51:35,330 --> 00:51:38,339
Speaker 1: Yes. I hope, that's what I'm saying, I hope they

1113
00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:40,660
Speaker 1: jumped over it somehow and didn't have sex on it.

1114
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: That's the least of my, the worries.

1115
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: There used to be just a very thin pane of

1116
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: Tiffany stained glass between the prisoners and their guests.

1117
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,420
Speaker 3: That's insanity.

1118
00:51:51,460 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: Well, I've done the glass starts boning his fucking sister-in-law

1119
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: and the rest of the prisoners like, hell yeah. And

1120
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,980
Speaker 1: fucking crazy, right?

1121
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:03,660
Speaker 2: We're like, that must've been like the hottest like prisoner

1122
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: phone call through that glass.

1123
00:52:05,950 --> 00:52:06,149
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1124
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:09,649
Speaker 2: And they're like, how was Thanksgiving? How was your fucking Thanksgiving?

1125
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:11,710
Speaker 2: Is the question I want to ask you.

1126
00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:13,110
Speaker 1: Yams? Were there yams?

1127
00:52:13,550 --> 00:52:14,690
Speaker 2: Oh, yams!

1128
00:52:17,090 --> 00:52:24,300
Speaker 1: I mean, fuck, right? Literally. Then on September... Oh, yeah.

1129
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: Then on September 25th, 1994, so he's still alive, he

1130
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,180
Speaker 1: gets drunk from alcohol that he had made in his prison... Toilet? No,

1131
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: thank God.

1132
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: Damn it.

1133
00:52:34,060 --> 00:52:36,779
Speaker 1: Sink. Sink. Which is like, yeah, right. That's what you

1134
00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:42,180
Speaker 1: told people. And he stabs another inmate, Richard Fats Thomas,

1135
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,580
Speaker 1: with a shiv that he had made from a pair

1136
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,300
Speaker 1: of sunglasses. Also, prisoners have sunglasses?

1137
00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 3: You still got to be cool.

1138
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,780
Speaker 1: I guess. You got to protect those peepers.

1139
00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:52,460
Speaker 2: That's right.

1140
00:52:53,660 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 3: The UV rays up here are insane.

1141
00:52:55,900 --> 00:53:00,589
Speaker 1: They will get you. The air is thin. um this

1142
00:53:00,670 --> 00:53:04,049
Speaker 1: dude suffers nine puncture wounds to the face mouth arm

1143
00:53:04,090 --> 00:53:06,089
Speaker 1: and chest that are life-threatening but he makes a full

1144
00:53:06,130 --> 00:53:09,730
Speaker 1: recovery so so he's having a good time in prison

1145
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:10,250
Speaker 1: it seems.

1146
00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:13,020
Speaker 2: Like he's he's really criminaling it up.

1147
00:53:12,969 --> 00:53:17,860
Speaker 1: Yeah okay cut to june 18th night 2010 2010 but

1148
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:19,859
Speaker 1: you like the year that that.

1149
00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 2: Murder happened that fucking year.

1150
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: That's your favorite year for murder so sneaky Oh, here's

1151
00:53:25,739 --> 00:53:29,500
Speaker 1: him like... Oh, that's the... Okay, well, Stephen put these

1152
00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: in the wrong fucking order.

1153
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:31,219
Speaker 2: Stephen?

1154
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: Oh, now I'm scared that... It's.

1155
00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:35,890
Speaker 2: Stephen's fault you were pronounced Metropolitan that way.

1156
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:41,549
Speaker 1: Metropolitan... What did I say? I don't remember. Well, Metropolitan... Metropolis.

1157
00:53:41,650 --> 00:53:43,010
Speaker 1: Thank you for... Metropolis.

1158
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:45,290
Speaker 3: It's so good.

1159
00:53:45,310 --> 00:53:49,700
Speaker 1: I don't want to... I have a picture of him

1160
00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: like back in 2010, but I'm scared that Stephen left

1161
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,529
Speaker 1: one of those photos out And I don't want to

1162
00:53:55,570 --> 00:53:57,700
Speaker 1: go to your picture. Everyone close your eyes real quick.

1163
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: I think you just put it in the wrong order.

1164
00:54:01,420 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: Should I do it? Who cares?

1165
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:06,310
Speaker 2: I don't want to out here.

1166
00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:07,790
Speaker 1: Which part?

1167
00:54:07,969 --> 00:54:10,210
Speaker 2: I don't even know what mine are. Just go ahead.

1168
00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:11,410
Speaker 1: Okay, there he is.

1169
00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:12,609
Speaker 2: Oh, no.

1170
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:14,310
Speaker 3: You've ruined my thing.

1171
00:54:14,370 --> 00:54:16,110
Speaker 1: No, no. That's Ronnie.

1172
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:18,270
Speaker 2: Bring Ren back up. I have some complaints.

1173
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: That's Ronnie. Our therapist is named Ren, you guys. Okay. So, boop.

1174
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:26,700
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

1175
00:54:26,739 --> 00:54:27,739
Speaker 3: Can you go back really quick?

1176
00:54:27,780 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1177
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:31,740
Speaker 2: He looks like Matt Walsh, the guy on Veep.

1178
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: Oh, he does look like Matt Walsh. Look at him.

1179
00:54:34,820 --> 00:54:35,500
Speaker 2: Think about it.

1180
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:37,100
Speaker 3: Get HBO if you have to.

1181
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: Oh, God. Yeah.

1182
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,339
Speaker 2: It's Matt Walsh. Veep. All right.

1183
00:54:41,969 --> 00:54:46,430
Speaker 1: So, finally, in 2010, Ronnie is now 49 years old.

1184
00:54:46,590 --> 00:54:49,069
Speaker 1: It's been a quarter of a century that he's been

1185
00:54:49,110 --> 00:54:51,770
Speaker 1: on death row, which is a long fucking time.

1186
00:54:52,290 --> 00:54:57,180
Speaker 2: Well, it's 25 years.

1187
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: Finally, but he... I'm going to ignore that.

1188
00:55:00,580 --> 00:55:00,860
Speaker 2: Ren!

1189
00:55:01,460 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: Ren!

1190
00:55:01,980 --> 00:55:02,819
Speaker 2: I'm going to ignore you.

1191
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:11,430
Speaker 1: Finally, he's fucking... On June 18, 2010, he's eliminated... Okay, wait.

1192
00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1193
00:55:20,940 --> 00:55:24,259
Speaker 1: I read that wrong. By 2004, Utah had eliminated the

1194
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,210
Speaker 1: firing squad. There it is. There it is.

1195
00:55:26,250 --> 00:55:28,969
Speaker 2: There is someone in this audience who is not a

1196
00:55:29,010 --> 00:55:31,149
Speaker 2: fan of the show. Oh, my God. Doesn't know what's

1197
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:33,750
Speaker 2: happening and is like, this is fucking wrong.

1198
00:55:33,810 --> 00:55:34,029
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1199
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:35,870
Speaker 2: What's happening is wrong.

1200
00:55:36,010 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm dizzy right now, so I'm going to blame everything

1201
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: on that. this podcast great um they so utah was

1202
00:55:42,340 --> 00:55:46,500
Speaker 1: like maybe we shouldn't let's eliminate the firing squad by

1203
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:48,589
Speaker 1: 2004 as a method of execution but convicts who were

1204
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:51,190
Speaker 1: sentenced before that date are still allowed to have that

1205
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:53,589
Speaker 1: option if they want to pick it yeah okay so

1206
00:55:53,610 --> 00:55:57,009
Speaker 1: like you can like it doesn't it doesn't retroactively they're

1207
00:55:57,050 --> 00:55:57,459
Speaker 1: not like.

1208
00:55:57,590 --> 00:56:01,190
Speaker 2: They're grandfathered into being shot yes yeah I get it.

1209
00:56:01,250 --> 00:56:02,130
Speaker 1: Exactly.

1210
00:56:02,810 --> 00:56:03,090
Speaker 2: What?

1211
00:56:03,330 --> 00:56:06,410
Speaker 1: You know you're in charge and you can change that, right? No.

1212
00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:09,750
Speaker 2: This isn't some weird movie where you have to get

1213
00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:10,890
Speaker 2: shot this way.

1214
00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:17,930
Speaker 1: So just after midnight, five anonymous executioners, they're behind a

1215
00:56:18,270 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: curtain and a ported brick wall. Don't know what that is. Ported?

1216
00:56:22,989 --> 00:56:23,970
Speaker 2: Ported. Ported.

1217
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:26,790
Speaker 1: One rifle had a blank round, so no one would

1218
00:56:26,810 --> 00:56:28,390
Speaker 1: be like, it was me. You know what I mean?

1219
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:31,990
Speaker 1: They didn't know. He is pronounced dead at 12.17 a.m.

1220
00:56:32,730 --> 00:56:36,270
Speaker 1: And after he was executed, the daughter of one of

1221
00:56:36,310 --> 00:56:40,370
Speaker 1: the victims said, I hope my sister, who just passed away,

1222
00:56:40,530 --> 00:56:43,390
Speaker 1: and my father, and all of the other victims are

1223
00:56:43,450 --> 00:56:45,910
Speaker 1: waiting for his sorry ass. I hope they get to

1224
00:56:45,950 --> 00:56:47,150
Speaker 1: go down after him.

1225
00:56:47,170 --> 00:56:47,250
Speaker 2: Whoa.

1226
00:56:48,250 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: Whoa. Are you allowed to do that? Can you go

1227
00:56:51,620 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: back and forth?

1228
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:58,460
Speaker 2: I feel like we're about to write the new Marvel movie. Oh, yeah.

1229
00:56:59,330 --> 00:57:00,890
Speaker 3: I'll pull you out of hell.

1230
00:57:01,130 --> 00:57:01,970
Speaker 2: Something like that.

1231
00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:03,420
Speaker 1: We're going to go down after him.

1232
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:05,690
Speaker 2: They're going to go down. They're going to beat him

1233
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:06,610
Speaker 2: up in hell.

1234
00:57:06,830 --> 00:57:08,770
Speaker 1: They're like, we're hanging out in heaven. It's great up here.

1235
00:57:08,850 --> 00:57:10,830
Speaker 1: Let's do a fucking quick tour.

1236
00:57:10,989 --> 00:57:14,140
Speaker 2: This is my laminate. I get to go back up.

1237
00:57:14,770 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: We're just going to kick some assholes ass really quick.

1238
00:57:17,470 --> 00:57:18,990
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then we get it. No, no, no. I

1239
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: don't stay.

1240
00:57:19,390 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm not staying here. I was good.

1241
00:57:22,290 --> 00:57:24,290
Speaker 1: I hope they get a go down after him.

1242
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:24,950
Speaker 2: Fuck.

1243
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:28,550
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's the story of fucking Ronnie Lee Gardner.

1244
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:29,410
Speaker 2: Wow.

1245
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:32,070
Speaker 1: Thanks.

1246
00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:39,530
Speaker 2: I told you he was a dick. So it was

1247
00:57:39,570 --> 00:57:42,700
Speaker 2: a real like roller coaster though with that guy. I mean,

1248
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1249
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: You were here, you were there, you were here, then

1250
00:57:45,820 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 1: you were back there.

1251
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: It's always very complex with these stories.

1252
00:57:48,980 --> 00:57:51,770
Speaker 1: They are. You know, it's an emotional roller coaster.

1253
00:57:51,930 --> 00:57:52,450
Speaker 2: It really is.

1254
00:57:52,450 --> 00:57:54,390
Speaker 1: Of metropolitan size.

1255
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:58,150
Speaker 3: Almost the size of a metropole.

1256
00:57:59,450 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: I just start using that word incorrectly because I just

1257
00:58:02,340 --> 00:58:03,980
Speaker 1: want to prove that I know how to say it.

1258
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,020
Speaker 2: You're like looking at a charcuterie board. You're like, is

1259
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,060
Speaker 2: this metropolitan? Cheese?

1260
00:58:11,860 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 3: Pull it out anywhere.

1261
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:18,230
Speaker 1: We're back.

1262
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:19,530
Speaker 2: Do you have any updates?

1263
00:58:19,810 --> 00:58:23,330
Speaker 1: I do. Ronnie Lee Gardner's brother, Randy Gardner, has been

1264
00:58:23,470 --> 00:58:27,310
Speaker 1: openly against the death penalty, especially by Firing Squad. He's

1265
00:58:27,350 --> 00:58:32,050
Speaker 1: partnered with Worthrise's Death Penalty Action faith leaders and community

1266
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:36,330
Speaker 1: advocates to combat Idaho's recent pivot to making Firing Squad

1267
00:58:36,450 --> 00:58:41,330
Speaker 1: executions the state's primary method. For carrying out death sentences.

1268
00:58:41,350 --> 00:58:42,490
Speaker 2: That's not good.

1269
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:44,450
Speaker 1: It's not good. That's aggro.

1270
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:44,890
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1271
00:58:45,110 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 1: Idaho is one of several states that has recently brought

1272
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: back firing squad executions amid drug shortages and legal challenges

1273
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:57,050
Speaker 1: to lethal injections. That's not the solution, friends. That's not

1274
00:58:57,090 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: the answer.

1275
00:58:57,780 --> 00:59:01,820
Speaker 2: What that is is the fast track to fascist death squads.

1276
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:02,220
Speaker 1: Amen.

1277
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:03,450
Speaker 2: Hello, America.

1278
00:59:03,490 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: Hi. You voted for this. Anyway, well, half of you.

1279
00:59:06,490 --> 00:59:07,510
Speaker 1: Less than half of you did.

1280
00:59:07,770 --> 00:59:08,890
Speaker 2: Not these guys.

1281
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:09,380
Speaker 1: Not us.

1282
00:59:10,220 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: Not these. Not a murderino, for God's sake.

1283
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: Murderinos are part of the solution. Everyone knows that. All right. Well,

1284
00:59:16,780 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: let's get into Karen's story now, shall we? This is

1285
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,390
Speaker 1: the Salt Lake City library hostage incident.

1286
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:36,350
Speaker 2: My story tonight is one of my classic, it was

1287
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:43,330
Speaker 2: an episode of I Survived. As most of us do,

1288
00:59:43,350 --> 00:59:46,410
Speaker 2: I have all of mine on my DVR and I

1289
00:59:46,450 --> 00:59:48,950
Speaker 2: was laying on my couch for 19 hours the other

1290
00:59:48,990 --> 00:59:49,550
Speaker 2: day and.

1291
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:52,510
Speaker 3: Not taking care of things.

1292
00:59:52,820 --> 00:59:58,300
Speaker 2: And this episode rolled up and they were like, Salt

1293
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: Lake City, Utah. And then I was just like, my homework. Yeah.

1294
01:00:02,180 --> 01:00:04,390
Speaker 1: And then you're like, I have to sit here. Yes.

1295
01:00:04,450 --> 01:00:05,490
Speaker 1: That's the best.

1296
01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:06,450
Speaker 3: This is working.

1297
01:00:06,490 --> 01:00:10,870
Speaker 2: This just turned into borderline clinical depression. Now I'm at work.

1298
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:12,910
Speaker 2: That's how easy it is.

1299
01:00:12,910 --> 01:00:13,470
Speaker 1: It's the best.

1300
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:14,669
Speaker 2: In the podcast world.

1301
01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:16,610
Speaker 1: When there's a podcast about the murder you're going to

1302
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:18,370
Speaker 1: do that week and you're like, I got to clean my.

1303
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:21,650
Speaker 2: Bathroom instead of just sitting in front of my computer. Yes.

1304
01:00:22,030 --> 01:00:24,750
Speaker 1: I have a weird way of enjoying myself. I mean...

1305
01:00:24,550 --> 01:00:27,310
Speaker 1: Cleaning my toilet. Okay. So.

1306
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,140
Speaker 3: It is satisfying though.

1307
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: Do you ever use one of those bleach, like things

1308
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,260
Speaker 2: you stick in the back of the toilet and then

1309
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: the water is just bleachy all the time?

1310
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: No.

1311
01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: Get into it. They're the best.

1312
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,630
Speaker 2: You know, every once in a while you just have

1313
01:00:40,670 --> 01:00:42,669
Speaker 2: like a ring of mold where you're like, what's coming

1314
01:00:42,830 --> 01:00:47,630
Speaker 2: out of me? I'm disgusting. No. Well, I mean, not

1315
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: like a, not crazy. It's just, you see it forming

1316
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: where you're like, is something off?

1317
01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:54,100
Speaker 1: Something's going on.

1318
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: Something's happening.

1319
01:00:55,020 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: Okay.

1320
01:00:55,810 --> 01:00:58,210
Speaker 2: Just get one of those fucking Clorox bleach pills or

1321
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:58,950
Speaker 2: whatever they're called.

1322
01:00:59,150 --> 01:01:00,610
Speaker 1: Do you take, you swallow it?

1323
01:01:00,650 --> 01:01:00,730
Speaker 2: Yep.

1324
01:01:00,750 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: And then you're like, got it. Okay, I'll do it.

1325
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,660
Speaker 1: Karen told me to take a bleach pill and then

1326
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:08,300
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have mold coming out of me anymore.

1327
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 3: It looks kind of like a big sweet tart.

1328
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: If you put it on an avocado toast, it's really

1329
01:01:15,180 --> 01:01:16,690
Speaker 1: delicious with a fried egg on top.

1330
01:01:16,750 --> 01:01:19,230
Speaker 2: Just get some, like maybe a coconut oil on top.

1331
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: So it just absorbs the intense chemicals. Where were we?

1332
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: No idea. We are in the metropolis.

1333
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: Definitely hallucinating at this point. Okay.

1334
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,910
Speaker 3: So, but then, so I watch it.

1335
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,780
Speaker 2: It's great. Then good old Steve Ray Morris sends me

1336
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:43,490
Speaker 2: a 2020 episode about the same story, which of course

1337
01:01:43,690 --> 01:01:47,530
Speaker 2: is more in depth and actually has reenactors, which is

1338
01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:51,450
Speaker 2: the greatest. And so now I'm going to retell you

1339
01:01:52,410 --> 01:01:56,150
Speaker 2: a 2020 episode. Like I used to retell you, I

1340
01:01:56,190 --> 01:01:57,410
Speaker 2: survived episodes.

1341
01:01:58,250 --> 01:02:01,670
Speaker 1: This is plagiarism. It's like a mashup. That's right.

1342
01:02:02,050 --> 01:02:04,650
Speaker 2: That's right. It's like, um, it's like a layer cake

1343
01:02:04,690 --> 01:02:08,470
Speaker 2: where my knowledge began on an episode of I survived

1344
01:02:08,910 --> 01:02:12,350
Speaker 2: folded in the 2020. And now this is just like,

1345
01:02:12,370 --> 01:02:15,090
Speaker 2: we're all at the campfire together. And I'm like, remember TV?

1346
01:02:15,110 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: Okay.

1347
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:16,500
Speaker 2: Listen to this.

1348
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:18,980
Speaker 1: You eat Is the cake at the campfire?

1349
01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:19,260
Speaker 2: Yep.

1350
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:19,860
Speaker 1: Okay, good.

1351
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:23,420
Speaker 2: Yeah. We get to have cake and bleach pills. It's

1352
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: going to be the best camp out ever. It is

1353
01:02:28,220 --> 01:02:31,790
Speaker 2: the Salt Lake City library hostage crisis. Do you remember?

1354
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:35,470
Speaker 1: You guys had a library hostage crisis?

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Speaker 3: Dude, did they fucking ever.

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Speaker 2: First of all, let's just take a look at the

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Speaker 2: Salt Lake City public library circa whenever Stephen found this picture.

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Speaker 2: Let's see. This is the old branch, I believe.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: It's the old branch.

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01:02:53,780 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: It looks old.

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01:02:54,340 --> 01:02:57,260
Speaker 3: That's just the colors.

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Speaker 1: That's so 70s. Look at that poor building on stilts.

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Speaker 1: The building's like, what do you expect from me? You

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01:03:06,010 --> 01:03:07,350
Speaker 1: couldn't just put me on the ground?

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Speaker 2: The architect's like, we're pinning all of our hopes on you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, man.

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Speaker 2: This says future learning. Okay. The Salt Lake City Public

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01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: Library is a five-story building. So on Saturday, March 5th, 1994,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't black and white. It was the early 90s.

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01:03:27,260 --> 01:03:30,810
Speaker 1: So it was like a sepia tone. Yeah. Kind of.

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01:03:31,410 --> 01:03:36,790
Speaker 2: With like neon spray paint, fake graffiti on the bottom.

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01:03:37,230 --> 01:03:38,350
Speaker 3: And tilted to the side.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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01:03:40,790 --> 01:03:44,940
Speaker 3: Very beach house. So there's hundreds of people at the

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Speaker 3: library on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Okay. and um people there for obviously all different kind

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01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:53,220
Speaker 2: of reasons like what well you know reading being quiet

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01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: sleeping free coffee free do they serve coffee some of.

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Speaker 1: Them do i don't know i bet they don't do

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01:04:01,180 --> 01:04:03,570
Speaker 1: that probably not here because you don't want to spill

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01:04:03,590 --> 01:04:08,210
Speaker 1: coffee oh sure free water i don't know oh they're

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01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:13,330
Speaker 1: not allowed to have water no um we're teasing you.

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01:04:13,810 --> 01:04:17,590
Speaker 2: Um Salt Lake City's like, that's not us, man.

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Speaker 1: That's not us.

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Speaker 2: So there's a couple there, Michael and Judith Greer, and

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Speaker 2: they came down to the library because there was a

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01:04:27,220 --> 01:04:31,900
Speaker 2: Tibetan mandala ceremony being done that day. And that's, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's your favorite.

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01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's my favorite kind of ceremony.

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01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:36,130
Speaker 2: Right?

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01:04:36,830 --> 01:04:38,430
Speaker 3: Of all library ceremonies.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,700
Speaker 1: You guys need to try one one day.

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Speaker 2: Top three.

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Speaker 1: Top three.

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Speaker 2: So it's the Tibetan monks who are putting colored sand,

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,780
Speaker 2: they're like scraping and blowing colored sand into this almost

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01:04:53,820 --> 01:04:58,650
Speaker 2: as beautiful as this rug design at the library.

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Speaker 3: How fucking badass is that?

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01:05:00,270 --> 01:05:00,820
Speaker 1: I love it.

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01:05:01,010 --> 01:05:03,290
Speaker 2: Those are the kind of events that they have.

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01:05:03,310 --> 01:05:05,950
Speaker 1: Because it's culturally open to everyone.

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01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:07,810
Speaker 3: They're like, check out what happens.

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01:05:09,140 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: Check, is that the tag? Check out what happened. Oh

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01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: my God. Who's a librarian here? Use that tagline. Take this,

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01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,660
Speaker 1: take it to your meeting on Monday.

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01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: You have a meeting on Monday?

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01:05:19,700 --> 01:05:21,140
Speaker 1: Take it. It's yours.

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01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:24,700
Speaker 2: To the librarians union meeting? Take that down there.

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01:05:25,220 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: You're going to get a raise.

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01:05:26,420 --> 01:05:28,540
Speaker 2: I bet they've never used the pun, check it out

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01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: at the library before. I bet it's never happened with

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01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: a big check mark. So the Greers are there watching

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01:05:36,420 --> 01:05:40,750
Speaker 2: this beautiful sand ceremony. And also there's, of course, Gwen Page,

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01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:42,270
Speaker 2: who's been a librarian.

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01:05:43,110 --> 01:05:44,410
Speaker 3: Gwen, are you here?

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01:05:44,430 --> 01:05:48,990
Speaker 2: Gwen was in the I Survived and in the 2020.

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01:05:48,990 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: So you know she is a key fucking player in

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01:05:51,380 --> 01:05:52,060
Speaker 2: this story.

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01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,060
Speaker 1: She is just bouncing around.

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01:05:54,260 --> 01:05:59,540
Speaker 2: She is a lifelong dedicated librarian in the most hushed

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01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:03,690
Speaker 2: toned way you can be. You can fucking see her

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01:06:03,790 --> 01:06:07,350
Speaker 2: readers on a chain. She's like, I'll tell you where

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01:06:07,390 --> 01:06:09,550
Speaker 2: the book is this time, but you have to find

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01:06:09,570 --> 01:06:10,910
Speaker 2: it for yourself the next time.

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01:06:12,210 --> 01:06:12,970
Speaker 3: You know Gwen?

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01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:15,870
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.

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01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:20,890
Speaker 3: So she's, you know, reforming the Dewey.

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01:06:20,670 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 2: Decimal System or whatever.

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01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:25,020
Speaker 3: Librarians like to get up to.

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01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,380
Speaker 2: And one of her coworkers says, you gotta go see

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01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,020
Speaker 2: the fucking Mandela Ceremony.

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Speaker 3: Before it ends.

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01:06:31,950 --> 01:06:35,540
Speaker 2: It's amazing. She's like, you're so right. So she hauls

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01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:36,740
Speaker 2: ass on up.

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01:06:36,860 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what we're doing.

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01:06:39,020 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: Is this word for word? The 2020 episode?

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01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: This is how they say it on the 2020.

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01:06:47,610 --> 01:06:48,090
Speaker 1: Oh, shit.

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01:06:48,330 --> 01:06:48,850
Speaker 2: Look at this.

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01:06:49,230 --> 01:06:55,479
Speaker 1: There she is. Gwen! Gwen! Gwen, Gwen, Gwen. That's Gwen.

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01:06:55,780 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: And nice mauves, a nice mauve.

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01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,500
Speaker 2: She's doing jewel tones because she knows that that can

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01:07:01,660 --> 01:07:05,780
Speaker 2: act like makeup sometimes for you. That does, a maroon

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01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,490
Speaker 2: jacket does the work for you.

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01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:10,990
Speaker 1: But you got to have a pop of color.

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01:07:11,010 --> 01:07:14,310
Speaker 2: But you've got to get a good, some nice hot blue,

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01:07:14,370 --> 01:07:15,710
Speaker 2: electric blue in there.

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01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:16,190
Speaker 1: Love her.

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01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:17,990
Speaker 3: You still love to live.

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01:07:19,570 --> 01:07:21,930
Speaker 1: Librarian to the hilt. Librarian.

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01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:28,220
Speaker 2: Stephen, Stephen, Paused it right when she was going. She

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01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:33,410
Speaker 2: does that throughout the interview. Just shushing cameramen, shushing interviewers.

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01:07:34,430 --> 01:07:41,690
Speaker 2: I'd fucking love that so much. The sound guy's like,

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01:07:41,890 --> 01:07:45,610
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't with this librarian. I'm getting a

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01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:48,370
Speaker 2: lot of shushing. Okay.

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01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:48,510
Speaker 1: Okay.

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01:07:49,380 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: So as Gwen heads up to watch this amazing, cool

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01:07:53,180 --> 01:07:55,020
Speaker 2: thing that I would love to see in real life

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01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,860
Speaker 2: and made me cry when I saw it in the thing,

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01:07:58,410 --> 01:08:03,130
Speaker 2: she notices, of course, because observe and report, librarian style,

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01:08:04,130 --> 01:08:07,110
Speaker 2: she notices there's this scraggly guy standing by the reference desk.

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Speaker 2: He's wearing a backpack. He looks real, like, edgy, and

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01:08:11,020 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: she clocks it, but then she's like, I gotta go

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01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:14,900
Speaker 2: see him at Dallas ceremony.

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Speaker 3: So she just shushed him really hard and Kept on moving.

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Speaker 1: Okay. She put her shush scent on him to like

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Speaker 1: mark him for later.

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01:08:24,830 --> 01:08:27,650
Speaker 2: Yes. It was just a little yellow chalk on his

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Speaker 2: pant leg. Come back and shush him later. About a

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01:08:31,250 --> 01:08:37,490
Speaker 2: half an hour. We're going to reveal all the library secrets.

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01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:38,030
Speaker 2: I know.

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01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:40,910
Speaker 1: They're so mad right now. So many.

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01:08:41,810 --> 01:08:48,189
Speaker 2: So... So she passes this way. This is the way

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01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 2: they set it up on 2020. I bet you they

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01:08:50,979 --> 01:08:54,050
Speaker 2: didn't all pass like it was a very well-choreographed play.

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01:08:54,130 --> 01:09:00,889
Speaker 2: But she passes him, and then this scraggly guy turns

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01:09:00,950 --> 01:09:02,910
Speaker 2: to the man standing next to him and pushes a

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01:09:03,350 --> 01:09:06,590
Speaker 2: manila envelope onto his chest and goes, I need you

1481
01:09:06,610 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 2: to mail this for me. Give this to the papers.

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01:09:13,300 --> 01:09:16,460
Speaker 2: Have a nice life. Mine's going to be short. And

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01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:19,740
Speaker 2: then he turns around and pulls out a gun. And

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01:09:20,060 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 2: then he pulls out a curling iron.

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01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:22,860
Speaker 1: What?

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01:09:24,150 --> 01:09:26,870
Speaker 2: And then he jumps on a table and he yells, uh,

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01:09:28,990 --> 01:09:31,450
Speaker 2: Everybody listen up. This is a bomb. He holds the

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01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:34,809
Speaker 2: curling iron up. This is a bomb. Nobody move. If

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01:09:34,850 --> 01:09:36,009
Speaker 2: I let go of this switch.

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01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:37,660
Speaker 3: This whole place blows up.

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01:09:38,580 --> 01:09:40,820
Speaker 2: So it was what they call a dead man switch.

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01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,780
Speaker 2: He's literally holding open a curling iron. So if he

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01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,540
Speaker 2: lets it go, that's when the bomb goes off. So

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01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,460
Speaker 2: that if anything happens to him, everybody dies. That's like

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01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 2: his insurance.

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01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,820
Speaker 1: Do you think everyone laughed at first? Because they're like, look,

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01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: that guy's joking.

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01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:59,420
Speaker 2: I can see the cord of that curling iron, sir.

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01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: Curling irons aren't bombs.

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01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: Okay.

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01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,100
Speaker 2: I would know. Fuck.

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01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:09,019
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.

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01:10:10,060 --> 01:10:15,230
Speaker 2: So, and then he's kind of like, obviously, people, you know,

1504
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:19,410
Speaker 2: the guns like this, the curling irons up like this, everybody...

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01:10:19,490 --> 01:10:23,620
Speaker 2: probably 10 feet and back, are just like, goodbye. And

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01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,700
Speaker 2: they peace out of there as quickly and in as

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01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,339
Speaker 2: organized fashion as possible.

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01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:28,740
Speaker 1: I'm sure.

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01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:30,729
Speaker 3: Down four escalators.

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01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:32,210
Speaker 1: Oh, man.

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01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:33,689
Speaker 3: Five-story library.

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01:10:33,710 --> 01:10:35,510
Speaker 1: That's the worst escape route is an escalator.

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01:10:35,530 --> 01:10:41,420
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just so slow. You have to stand there. Escaping, escaping, escaping.

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01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:42,540
Speaker 2: Almost there.

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01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:42,620
Speaker 4: Oh.

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01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:48,060
Speaker 2: We have almost escaped. Music, really nice music playing behind you.

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01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: Watch your shoelaces. And then someone's like, my.

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01:10:49,900 --> 01:10:54,100
Speaker 2: Shoelaces are tied. That's the only way anybody gets caught

1519
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: is if their shoelace gets stuck in it.

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:10:56,620 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: Um, Oh, I just do want to say that, uh,

1522
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:05,610
Speaker 2: so the bad guy, this is the reenactor from 2020.

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01:11:05,610 --> 01:11:09,610
Speaker 2: There was, Stephen could find no pictures of the actual

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01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:15,429
Speaker 2: bomber Clifford Draper. Uh, But this guy, this reenactor actually

1525
01:11:15,450 --> 01:11:17,790
Speaker 2: does a very good job. He has very large eyes,

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01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:20,490
Speaker 2: so he's scary. They have a lot of like brown

1527
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 2: eyeliner around his eyes. And he's doing a very realistic,

1528
01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:29,540
Speaker 2: crazy person who's, you know, somebody that's like on the edge,

1529
01:11:30,020 --> 01:11:33,190
Speaker 2: that's in public, but like people aren't noticing him, but

1530
01:11:33,210 --> 01:11:34,870
Speaker 2: you're like, but there is something up with that guy.

1531
01:11:34,890 --> 01:11:36,229
Speaker 2: And then boom, he's up on the table.

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01:11:36,250 --> 01:11:36,570
Speaker 1: Okay.

1533
01:11:36,650 --> 01:11:36,729
Speaker 4: Okay.

1534
01:11:37,229 --> 01:11:39,570
Speaker 2: And, you know, then there has to be like whispering

1535
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:41,530
Speaker 2: to yourself and all this kind of stuff. And I

1536
01:11:41,550 --> 01:11:43,790
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is going to be cheesy as fuck. Well,

1537
01:11:43,850 --> 01:11:46,250
Speaker 2: it wasn't. This guy did a fucking great job.

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01:11:46,530 --> 01:11:47,110
Speaker 3: His name.

1539
01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:48,030
Speaker 1: Did you IMDb him?

1540
01:11:48,189 --> 01:11:48,830
Speaker 2: Yes, I did.

1541
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:51,729
Speaker 3: His name is Michael B.

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01:11:51,790 --> 01:11:52,170
Speaker 1: Woods.

1543
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,230
Speaker 2: And, um. You've seen him, yes.

1544
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:57,530
Speaker 1: Ow, my teeth. He's cute.

1545
01:11:57,550 --> 01:12:00,570
Speaker 3: You've seen him on Empire.

1546
01:12:00,590 --> 01:12:05,090
Speaker 2: He's had a two-episode character arc on Chicago PD.

1547
01:12:05,450 --> 01:12:07,450
Speaker 3: He's one of your favorite actors.

1548
01:12:09,170 --> 01:12:12,070
Speaker 2: He's not just a crazy guy in the library reference

1549
01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:13,900
Speaker 2: desk with a curling iron.

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01:12:15,150 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 3: And he really fucking held.

1551
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,030
Speaker 2: This 2020 together. It was all him.

1552
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:23,070
Speaker 1: Emmy. So much pressure. Can they do an Emmy from before?

1553
01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:24,310
Speaker 1: What do they call it when they're like?

1554
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:26,090
Speaker 3: A retroactive Emmy?

1555
01:12:26,150 --> 01:12:26,330
Speaker 2: Yes.

1556
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:27,990
Speaker 3: Metro-pactic?

1557
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:29,940
Speaker 1: A metroactive Emmy.

1558
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 2: A metro-pactic.

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01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:32,420
Speaker 1: A metro.

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01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do those. Cool.

1561
01:12:34,979 --> 01:12:36,480
Speaker 3: Especially for reenactors.

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01:12:37,220 --> 01:12:39,900
Speaker 2: Okay. So anyway, keep your eye peeled for Michael B.

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01:12:39,939 --> 01:12:42,100
Speaker 2: Woods in the future. I'm just saying I'm calling it now.

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01:12:43,780 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: He's just got range, people, range.

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01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: An eyeliner looks great on him.

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01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: I like when you can do the whole eye. You

1567
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 2: can surround the whole eye and it still doesn't look small.

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01:12:54,780 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: Oh.

1569
01:12:55,860 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: I mean, that means you have great big eyes.

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01:12:58,140 --> 01:13:05,580
Speaker 1: I keep hitting my face with the microphone.

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01:13:05,939 --> 01:13:06,940
Speaker 3: You're a drug.

1572
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:14,030
Speaker 2: Okay. So... I told you about the dead man switch

1573
01:13:14,050 --> 01:13:16,270
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to say it again. Meanwhile, uh,

1574
01:13:17,370 --> 01:13:22,390
Speaker 2: over in the sheriff's administration building was sheriff's office administration building,

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01:13:22,710 --> 01:13:27,130
Speaker 2: which was nearby. Um, there is a man named, uh,

1576
01:13:27,229 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Lloyd Prescott. Who's gone in, in the 2020, he goes,

1577
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,260
Speaker 2: I went in to use the computer on the weekend.

1578
01:13:38,020 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: To use the computer.

1579
01:13:40,150 --> 01:13:42,170
Speaker 2: Where did he look up? It was just like a

1580
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:48,950
Speaker 2: ton of solitaire. So he's in using the computer in

1581
01:13:50,810 --> 01:13:53,810
Speaker 2: basically kind of an empty building. And this guy runs

1582
01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:56,930
Speaker 2: in from the library and he's just like, hey, can

1583
01:13:56,950 --> 01:14:00,370
Speaker 2: somebody help me? And so Lloyd Prescott gets up and

1584
01:14:00,410 --> 01:14:02,770
Speaker 2: is like, did you guys call the cops? And they're like, yes.

1585
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:05,470
Speaker 2: But there's a guy with a live bomb in the

1586
01:14:05,530 --> 01:14:10,089
Speaker 2: library and he's taking hostages. And so Lloyd Prescott grabs

1587
01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:12,290
Speaker 2: his gun. He's wearing- You put it on the seat

1588
01:14:12,330 --> 01:14:17,140
Speaker 2: next to him? He's in a car inside the office.

1589
01:14:17,150 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 2: Let me just grab this.

1590
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: Or like at the computer next to him. He had

1591
01:14:21,420 --> 01:14:22,660
Speaker 1: like rested it. Yeah.

1592
01:14:23,060 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: He just had it right against the mouse. He grabs

1593
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: his gun. In the 2020, he knocks his coffee cup

1594
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:36,269
Speaker 2: over onto his badge. That didn't fucking happen. They're just

1595
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:40,129
Speaker 2: trying to show you he's a sheriff. And he runs

1596
01:14:40,610 --> 01:14:44,750
Speaker 2: into the library where hundreds of people are running out.

1597
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 3: Lloyd Prescott runs in. That's how you do it.

1598
01:14:49,180 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: He's a cop. That's right.

1599
01:14:50,820 --> 01:14:53,220
Speaker 3: That's how you know he's a cop. They run at

1600
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:53,820
Speaker 3: the danger.

1601
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: And they have guns.

1602
01:14:57,020 --> 01:15:01,550
Speaker 2: So as he's running in, And I also, this seems

1603
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:03,910
Speaker 2: a bit fateful, so it could have been for the show,

1604
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:09,220
Speaker 2: but basically he runs into the guy that Clifford Draper

1605
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 2: had given that manila envelope to to say, go mail

1606
01:15:11,780 --> 01:15:14,380
Speaker 2: this for me. And the guy stops him and says,

1607
01:15:14,540 --> 01:15:16,580
Speaker 2: don't go in there. There's a guy with a bomb

1608
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: and a gun. And he says, I know I'm a

1609
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 2: police officer. Is anybody hurt? And the guy says, I

1610
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: don't know, but he did give me this envelope to

1611
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,790
Speaker 2: mail and and so Lloyd goes I will take this

1612
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:31,430
Speaker 2: from you thank you you might want to go ahead

1613
01:15:31,470 --> 01:15:34,030
Speaker 2: and use the elevator real I mean escalator real quick

1614
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:36,729
Speaker 2: and get out of here damn that could have been

1615
01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:44,340
Speaker 2: so funny um and he so um meanwhile back upstairs

1616
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:49,250
Speaker 2: they have they're having this conversation and uh The bomber

1617
01:15:49,330 --> 01:15:52,530
Speaker 2: is telling people that he wants all the people who

1618
01:15:52,570 --> 01:15:56,130
Speaker 2: have basically been frozen in this area in front of him.

1619
01:15:56,250 --> 01:15:58,330
Speaker 2: He starts looking at people and going, go into that

1620
01:15:58,370 --> 01:16:02,490
Speaker 2: conference room and picking people out specifically. So Michael Greer,

1621
01:16:02,530 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 2: the guy that is from the very beginning, it was

1622
01:16:05,140 --> 01:16:07,780
Speaker 2: his idea first to go watch the Mandela ceremony with

1623
01:16:07,820 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 2: his wife, Judith. He looks at Michael Greer and says,

1624
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:12,780
Speaker 2: you go in, but not Judith. So he has to

1625
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,440
Speaker 2: go into this conference room.

1626
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: And leave his wife behind?

1627
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: Yes. Oh. Yes. And so he goes in and several

1628
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,780
Speaker 2: other people, obviously. And then he tells Gwen, go get

1629
01:16:27,820 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 2: me 16 people. I want 16 people in that conference room. Yes.

1630
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,870
Speaker 2: And Gwen's like, sounds great. But in her mind, you know,

1631
01:16:36,930 --> 01:16:40,070
Speaker 2: the wheels are turning. So she goes into this conference

1632
01:16:40,110 --> 01:16:42,610
Speaker 2: room and she's like, and it's there's a meeting of

1633
01:16:42,650 --> 01:16:44,990
Speaker 2: the Toastmasters in the conference room.

1634
01:16:45,670 --> 01:16:47,850
Speaker 3: The people who they do speeches.

1635
01:16:47,450 --> 01:16:48,219
Speaker 2: And they practice speeches.

1636
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:49,540
Speaker 1: Oh, you weren't kidding. No, I don't. What?

1637
01:16:49,660 --> 01:16:50,820
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a real thing. Oh.

1638
01:16:51,220 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 3: It's like a club you can join.

1639
01:16:52,580 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: Oh, like a toast.

1640
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

1641
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:55,220
Speaker 1: A toast master.

1642
01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:56,660
Speaker 3: Did you think bread toast?

1643
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,370
Speaker 1: We've been talking about avocado toast 10 minutes ago. I

1644
01:17:01,650 --> 01:17:03,670
Speaker 1: thought you were going, I thought that that's what you meant.

1645
01:17:03,770 --> 01:17:06,809
Speaker 2: Toast masters. We're so fucking good at making toast.

1646
01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: That's our new Food Network show. Yes.

1647
01:17:09,729 --> 01:17:10,009
Speaker 2: Yes.

1648
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:12,630
Speaker 3: Just tons of toast.

1649
01:17:12,689 --> 01:17:13,049
Speaker 1: Toast.

1650
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 2: Evenly colored. Perfectly buttered. Crust to crust. Jam or fucking

1651
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:23,030
Speaker 2: almond butter? You don't know and it's not up to you.

1652
01:17:23,060 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: It's none of your business. We're the Toastmasters, motherfuckers. So

1653
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,890
Speaker 2: there's a room filled with toast. And Gwen goes in,

1654
01:17:34,050 --> 01:17:35,090
Speaker 2: bold as brass.

1655
01:17:35,130 --> 01:17:35,330
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1656
01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:40,490
Speaker 2: And Gwen's like, you guys... Let me quickly interrupt your

1657
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 2: dumb fucking meeting. There's a guy with a bomb out there.

1658
01:17:43,420 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: And that's not a word for word. And in this room, luckily,

1659
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:53,110
Speaker 2: there was a different door than the entrance door. There

1660
01:17:53,130 --> 01:17:55,490
Speaker 2: was like a weird back door. So, of course, they're like,

1661
01:17:55,689 --> 01:17:59,440
Speaker 2: let's toastmaster the fuck out of here. And... They open

1662
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,549
Speaker 2: that door. People start going out, out. So all these

1663
01:18:02,590 --> 01:18:07,290
Speaker 2: people are escaping. And then Clifford Draper, the bomber, runs in.

1664
01:18:07,310 --> 01:18:07,950
Speaker 2: He's like, stop!

1665
01:18:08,010 --> 01:18:09,130
Speaker 1: Shut that door!

1666
01:18:09,210 --> 01:18:11,929
Speaker 3: So he shuts the door.

1667
01:18:12,170 --> 01:18:16,809
Speaker 2: They end up... A total of, I believe, nine... Ten

1668
01:18:16,850 --> 01:18:20,390
Speaker 2: people altogether end up in the room. He doesn't get

1669
01:18:20,450 --> 01:18:25,469
Speaker 2: his 16. Which I do agree is a better number.

1670
01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:28,269
Speaker 2: But it's just how it worked out.

1671
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:28,550
Speaker 1: So.

1672
01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 2: Um, page 11. Uh, okay.

1673
01:18:39,020 --> 01:18:41,420
Speaker 3: So, uh, he.

1674
01:18:42,460 --> 01:18:45,050
Speaker 2: Makes them all sit at the conference room table, but

1675
01:18:45,060 --> 01:18:48,530
Speaker 2: he makes, um, them turn their chairs out so that

1676
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:50,670
Speaker 2: they can't look at each other. And he keeps screaming,

1677
01:18:50,729 --> 01:18:55,030
Speaker 2: don't look at me, over and over. And he's just

1678
01:18:55,229 --> 01:18:59,050
Speaker 2: doing this with a gun, just constantly, bomb gun. So

1679
01:18:59,130 --> 01:19:06,940
Speaker 2: everyone is just obviously insanely freaked out. So our guy,

1680
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,890
Speaker 2: Lloyd Prescott, walks into the conference room. So there he

1681
01:19:10,930 --> 01:19:13,970
Speaker 2: had called, I think he had called like two other

1682
01:19:14,010 --> 01:19:15,530
Speaker 2: women in like, get in here. You have to get

1683
01:19:15,570 --> 01:19:18,630
Speaker 2: in here right now. And Lloyd Prescott cuts them off,

1684
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:22,179
Speaker 2: walks into the room and, um, holding up the manila

1685
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 2: envelope and goes, what am I supposed to do with this?

1686
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,580
Speaker 2: And then he turned and then he shuts the door

1687
01:19:28,620 --> 01:19:31,100
Speaker 2: behind him so that the people who are supposed to

1688
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,830
Speaker 2: go into the room don't go in. He cuts them off. And, uh,

1689
01:19:35,229 --> 01:19:38,150
Speaker 2: and then of course, The bomber's just like, what, who

1690
01:19:38,189 --> 01:19:38,510
Speaker 2: are you?

1691
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:39,470
Speaker 3: And he's freaking out or whatever.

1692
01:19:39,490 --> 01:19:41,530
Speaker 2: He's like, I said that was supposed to be mailed.

1693
01:19:42,050 --> 01:19:43,730
Speaker 2: And he was like, could you stop pointing that gun

1694
01:19:43,770 --> 01:19:45,430
Speaker 2: at me? I just, I don't even know. And he's

1695
01:19:45,450 --> 01:19:47,889
Speaker 2: just playing it real low key. So he's not coming

1696
01:19:47,950 --> 01:19:50,849
Speaker 2: in in any way cop style. He's like, someone just

1697
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:52,490
Speaker 2: handed me this envelope. What am I supposed to do?

1698
01:19:52,590 --> 01:19:54,330
Speaker 3: He pretended like he didn't.

1699
01:19:54,189 --> 01:19:55,530
Speaker 2: Know why he was in there.

1700
01:19:55,670 --> 01:19:56,590
Speaker 1: Yes, insane.

1701
01:19:58,490 --> 01:20:02,250
Speaker 2: So then the bomber tells Gwen, the librarian, to go

1702
01:20:02,290 --> 01:20:04,390
Speaker 2: get him a phone. And if she's not back in

1703
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:06,030
Speaker 2: 15 seconds, he'll kill somebody.

1704
01:20:06,030 --> 01:20:07,990
Speaker 1: 15 seconds for a phone in 1994? Yes.

1705
01:20:08,030 --> 01:20:08,330
Speaker 2: Yes.

1706
01:20:10,210 --> 01:20:11,269
Speaker 1: That's not enough time.

1707
01:20:11,490 --> 01:20:13,150
Speaker 3: That's very high stress.

1708
01:20:13,210 --> 01:20:15,220
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's no cell phones, kids.

1709
01:20:15,310 --> 01:20:17,980
Speaker 2: No, you're going to need a phone. Gwen immediately had

1710
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 2: to think of where's the one phone that has the

1711
01:20:20,660 --> 01:20:22,380
Speaker 2: longest silver cord.

1712
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1713
01:20:23,610 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 2: That I can just run across this fucking library with.

1714
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:27,180
Speaker 1: Exactly.

1715
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:28,580
Speaker 3: She does it, of course.

1716
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: It's Gwen.

1717
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:30,460
Speaker 2: It's Gwen. She nails it.

1718
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: You're right. I don't know why I doubted her.

1719
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't.

1720
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 1: Shit, sorry, Gwen.

1721
01:20:33,660 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 2: Do we need to look at her again?

1722
01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: No, no.

1723
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:35,620
Speaker 3: Why would you?

1724
01:20:35,979 --> 01:20:42,530
Speaker 2: Oh, you want to? Gwen! So relaxing.

1725
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:46,630
Speaker 1: Okay.

1726
01:20:47,850 --> 01:20:50,990
Speaker 2: Goodbye. Oops. Uh-oh.

1727
01:20:52,450 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 3: It's there forever.

1728
01:20:53,610 --> 01:20:54,509
Speaker 2: Now, okay.

1729
01:20:55,150 --> 01:20:56,270
Speaker 3: This is how stressful it is.

1730
01:20:56,530 --> 01:21:03,580
Speaker 1: Okay. All right. Okay.

1731
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:13,420
Speaker 2: End of that page. The pacing of this is amazing. Oh,

1732
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 2: he tells, Lloyd tells the bomber he's an accountant and

1733
01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 2: he's just kind of like playing it small. He's like,

1734
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:23,600
Speaker 2: I spill coffee sometimes. I'm just, I'm a numbers guy anyway.

1735
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,469
Speaker 2: I don't know how to mail things. Meanwhile, of course,

1736
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,250
Speaker 2: he's wearing like a jacket, like a windbreaker, and he's

1737
01:21:30,270 --> 01:21:35,550
Speaker 2: got his gun hidden underneath it. So then Draper tells

1738
01:21:35,870 --> 01:21:39,389
Speaker 2: everybody that he's going to barricade the room. He has

1739
01:21:39,450 --> 01:21:41,250
Speaker 2: a lady shut the curtains. He does this weird thing

1740
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:43,430
Speaker 2: where he keeps having people do things for him. He's

1741
01:21:43,470 --> 01:21:46,950
Speaker 2: not doing it. Probably because he's holding a fucking curling iron.

1742
01:21:48,130 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 2: So he asks Gwen what time they entered the room.

1743
01:21:52,020 --> 01:21:55,380
Speaker 2: Immediately Gwen's like, 10 to 10. And then he sets

1744
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,700
Speaker 2: a timer for 72 hours. So he has this amount

1745
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,430
Speaker 2: of time that they're going to do this, which is

1746
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 2: a long fucking time. And... In the reenactment, that's when

1747
01:22:07,650 --> 01:22:11,330
Speaker 2: he says, my name's Clifford Draper. Let's get some attention.

1748
01:22:11,970 --> 01:22:17,470
Speaker 2: I doubt that happened. In reality, Clifford Draper was a

1749
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:20,440
Speaker 2: veteran and he was a paranoid schizophrenic who had gone

1750
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,440
Speaker 2: off his meds long ago. He was originally from Arkansas,

1751
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,620
Speaker 2: but now he lived in a boarding house that was

1752
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:31,460
Speaker 2: like down the street from this library. So he gets

1753
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,390
Speaker 2: Gwen to call the police and explain to the police

1754
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:37,550
Speaker 2: what's going on. Um, so she says, I'm being held

1755
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:41,180
Speaker 2: hostage in the Salt Lake city library with nine other people. Um,

1756
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,700
Speaker 2: and the police say, we want, uh, to connect you.

1757
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,690
Speaker 2: We want him to talk to the hostage negotiator. And

1758
01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:50,390
Speaker 2: Draper goes, fucking batch it.

1759
01:22:50,510 --> 01:22:50,910
Speaker 1: No, no, no.

1760
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:51,530
Speaker 2: Hang up the phone.

1761
01:22:51,570 --> 01:22:52,270
Speaker 1: Screaming, screaming.

1762
01:22:52,770 --> 01:22:55,230
Speaker 2: Then he makes Gwen give the phone to Michael Greer.

1763
01:22:55,530 --> 01:22:57,970
Speaker 2: And he says, now you're my phone man now. So

1764
01:22:58,050 --> 01:23:03,350
Speaker 2: he makes Michael Greer. Call the local classic rock radio

1765
01:23:03,390 --> 01:23:04,430
Speaker 2: station Z93.

1766
01:23:04,510 --> 01:23:05,130
Speaker 1: Shut up.

1767
01:23:05,290 --> 01:23:08,440
Speaker 2: Yes. For real. Because he's going to take it to

1768
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 2: the people.

1769
01:23:08,979 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 3: He's not fucking around with the police anymore.

1770
01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:11,740
Speaker 1: Utah?

1771
01:23:11,979 --> 01:23:12,219
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1772
01:23:13,380 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 1: Z93.

1773
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:18,970
Speaker 2: It's the station everyone at work can agree on. Right?

1774
01:23:20,610 --> 01:23:21,890
Speaker 3: Because everyone loves Journey.

1775
01:23:22,250 --> 01:23:22,650
Speaker 1: So....

1776
01:23:24,700 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 2: Michael Greer has to call the radio station. It's the

1777
01:23:27,140 --> 01:23:31,620
Speaker 2: weekend DJ. So it's somebody who's a part-timer. She's just

1778
01:23:31,810 --> 01:23:35,110
Speaker 2: in the reenactment. She's got headphones on. She's like kicking back.

1779
01:23:36,410 --> 01:23:39,950
Speaker 2: It's the most relaxed DJ you've ever seen. And she

1780
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:43,990
Speaker 2: picks up the call and live on the air, Michael

1781
01:23:44,030 --> 01:23:47,390
Speaker 2: Greer has to say, I'm being held hostage at the

1782
01:23:47,570 --> 01:23:50,689
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City Library and our hostage taker wants his

1783
01:23:50,729 --> 01:23:54,729
Speaker 2: demands read on the air. and the weekend DJ goes,

1784
01:23:55,410 --> 01:23:57,509
Speaker 2: I don't have time for this, and hangs up the phone.

1785
01:23:58,530 --> 01:24:01,770
Speaker 1: I mean, who wouldn't? You're like, fuck you, teenagers.

1786
01:24:01,810 --> 01:24:09,730
Speaker 2: You goddamn teenagers, making my DJ life a living hell. No,

1787
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:15,910
Speaker 2: we won't play Devo. This is Z93. Classic rock. Led

1788
01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:17,660
Speaker 2: Zeppelin and Led Zeppelin.

1789
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,780
Speaker 1: That's right. Classic rock block.

1790
01:24:20,140 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, rock blocks.

1791
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: Rock block.

1792
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:24,470
Speaker 2: It's a two for Tuesday.

1793
01:24:24,490 --> 01:24:26,429
Speaker 1: That's right. But it's a weekend.

1794
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:27,250
Speaker 3: This was Saturday.

1795
01:24:29,530 --> 01:24:29,830
Speaker 1: Shit.

1796
01:24:29,870 --> 01:24:34,070
Speaker 2: What's the Saturday one? Several songs Saturday.

1797
01:24:34,150 --> 01:24:37,270
Speaker 1: There you go. There you go. Nailed that. If you're

1798
01:24:37,340 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: a DJ, you can take that.

1799
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:44,660
Speaker 2: You can have that, yes. For a nominal fee. Meanwhile,

1800
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:50,260
Speaker 2: across town, Trisha Griffith, who is the program director at Z93. Trisha.

1801
01:24:51,140 --> 01:24:52,180
Speaker 1: Trisha. Trisha.

1802
01:24:52,910 --> 01:24:56,430
Speaker 2: A young lady in the 90s, directing some radio programs.

1803
01:24:56,990 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 2: Do it.

1804
01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:59,480
Speaker 3: She's at breakfast with her friend.

1805
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: We call it brunch. Was she having toast? What kind

1806
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,019
Speaker 1: of toast was she having?

1807
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,059
Speaker 2: This was a toast situation. She herself had already taken

1808
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,060
Speaker 2: the toast master class.

1809
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: So she was like whipping up four different kinds.

1810
01:25:10,220 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 2: She was like, I'm going to have one sliced sourdough

1811
01:25:13,020 --> 01:25:16,090
Speaker 2: and one sliced rye. It's how we do it. I

1812
01:25:16,170 --> 01:25:18,410
Speaker 2: am so high off this thin air.

1813
01:25:18,490 --> 01:25:21,150
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. It's fucked up. Are you.

1814
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:23,139
Speaker 2: The greatest.

1815
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 3: I totally want to move here.

1816
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: All right.

1817
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 2: So anyhow, we'll talk about it after. Okay.

1818
01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:35,460
Speaker 3: So she gets the call.

1819
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,750
Speaker 2: The weekend DJ calls her boss after she hangs up

1820
01:25:40,770 --> 01:25:42,970
Speaker 2: and goes, hey, so this just happened.

1821
01:25:42,990 --> 01:25:44,830
Speaker 3: And now I have a weird feeling about it. I

1822
01:25:44,830 --> 01:25:46,010
Speaker 3: don't think I did the right thing.

1823
01:25:47,780 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I might have fucked up.

1824
01:25:49,300 --> 01:25:54,380
Speaker 2: I think I might be on probation. I'm in serious

1825
01:25:54,460 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 2: DJ trouble right now. Trisha drops her fork loudly, runs

1826
01:25:59,660 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 2: out of the brunch.

1827
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:01,540
Speaker 1: Spills her coffee.

1828
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 3: But takes her toast.

1829
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:03,380
Speaker 1: Right.

1830
01:26:04,970 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: Boom.

1831
01:26:05,729 --> 01:26:06,590
Speaker 1: Important things.

1832
01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:12,570
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, we're cutting back to the conference room now. This

1833
01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:15,990
Speaker 2: gets super dark. The bomber passes around a legal pad

1834
01:26:16,030 --> 01:26:18,470
Speaker 2: and has everybody write their name down and the name

1835
01:26:18,490 --> 01:26:21,229
Speaker 2: of their next of kin. So he's doing a lot

1836
01:26:21,250 --> 01:26:23,389
Speaker 2: of shit like that where he's basically like, here's how

1837
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:25,990
Speaker 2: I'm going to kill you. These are the different, like,

1838
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:26,750
Speaker 2: none of.

1839
01:26:26,729 --> 01:26:29,260
Speaker 3: Us are getting out of here. A lot of shit

1840
01:26:29,300 --> 01:26:29,660
Speaker 3: like that.

1841
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,380
Speaker 2: Also, there's a woman in the conference room with everybody

1842
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:34,830
Speaker 2: who's a diabetic. Oh, no.

1843
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 3: And she's starting to feel the effects.

1844
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 2: She has to take insulin five times a day.

1845
01:26:39,340 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 4: Jesus.

1846
01:26:39,820 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 2: And she tells him, look... I'm a fucking diabetic. She

1847
01:26:43,340 --> 01:26:43,939
Speaker 2: didn't say fucking.

1848
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:44,900
Speaker 1: And I.

1849
01:26:46,740 --> 01:26:49,059
Speaker 2: Have to take my medicine. And he was like, well,

1850
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 2: if you didn't bring your medicine, then that's on you.

1851
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 2: And someone else in the room is like, she could die.

1852
01:26:55,060 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, then that's just how it is.

1853
01:26:57,380 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 2: And then he goes, or maybe I'll trade her out

1854
01:27:00,340 --> 01:27:03,060
Speaker 2: for a cop. I've always wanted to kill a cop.

1855
01:27:04,820 --> 01:27:10,340
Speaker 2: And Lloyd Prescott's like, still an accountant.

1856
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 1: Yep.

1857
01:27:11,410 --> 01:27:12,410
Speaker 2: Loving them numbers.

1858
01:27:12,430 --> 01:27:13,650
Speaker 1: Too bad I'm an accountant.

1859
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:18,430
Speaker 3: April 15th. Hate you so much.

1860
01:27:18,530 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 2: Tax day. Anyway, what are you guys talking about?

1861
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:23,350
Speaker 3: The police?

1862
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:26,979
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, over at the SWAT central.

1863
01:27:27,260 --> 01:27:30,820
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Metropolitan SWAT offices.

1864
01:27:31,180 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 2: Yes. The SWAT Sergeant Ken Hansen is prepping for the

1865
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:35,939
Speaker 2: Hoski rustage.

1866
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:45,870
Speaker 1: Hoski rustage? Can we get some oxygen, please? Are you okay?

1867
01:27:47,970 --> 01:27:52,310
Speaker 2: Mommy? Mommy? The Hosky rescue?

1868
01:27:52,330 --> 01:27:54,050
Speaker 1: Oh, no.

1869
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:56,950
Speaker 2: This is just a little Hosky. This is me and

1870
01:27:58,010 --> 01:27:58,330
Speaker 2: Ken Johnson.

1871
01:27:58,350 --> 01:27:59,890
Speaker 1: There she goes. There she goes now.

1872
01:28:01,110 --> 01:28:02,100
Speaker 2: It's a secret.

1873
01:28:02,110 --> 01:28:07,260
Speaker 1: It's a secret. Just start singing Delight to me.

1874
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 2: Holy fuck.

1875
01:28:10,410 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: Now you know how I feel all the time. Isn't

1876
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,060
Speaker 1: it the worst? That's why I was so hot. I

1877
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:17,620
Speaker 1: kept saying stupid shit.

1878
01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:19,860
Speaker 3: It really sounded so right.

1879
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,940
Speaker 1: I know. I feel like it's always.

1880
01:28:21,700 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 3: Been Hoski restage.

1881
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,099
Speaker 1: That was fun for me because it wasn't me.

1882
01:28:29,390 --> 01:28:32,830
Speaker 2: Does it feel good when it's not you? What a

1883
01:28:32,850 --> 01:28:33,750
Speaker 2: goddamn relief.

1884
01:28:34,010 --> 01:28:37,750
Speaker 1: Okay. Deep breaths.

1885
01:28:37,890 --> 01:28:38,889
Speaker 3: Please get serious.

1886
01:28:39,170 --> 01:28:42,540
Speaker 1: Deep breaths, real fast. Is that how you... Right?

1887
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,140
Speaker 2: Shallow, fast breaths.

1888
01:28:44,260 --> 01:28:45,620
Speaker 1: If you just stand up real quick.

1889
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. And screaming?

1890
01:28:47,740 --> 01:28:51,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Meanwhile.

1891
01:28:54,150 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 2: This made me laugh so loudly when I watched it today.

1892
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 2: So at one point, Draper looks at everybody and goes,

1893
01:29:02,220 --> 01:29:04,020
Speaker 2: I want all of you to strip down.

1894
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:04,580
Speaker 1: What?

1895
01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 2: Strip down naked.

1896
01:29:06,060 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 1: That kind of party.

1897
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,370
Speaker 2: This one girl who has been super like in the

1898
01:29:10,410 --> 01:29:13,090
Speaker 2: reenactment the whole time, she's been like, what? She's always

1899
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:14,870
Speaker 2: the girl they cut to when they want to show

1900
01:29:14,910 --> 01:29:16,170
Speaker 2: people being upset or worried.

1901
01:29:16,210 --> 01:29:17,350
Speaker 1: Like, why?

1902
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:21,610
Speaker 2: She has like long hair. Very like, you know, like down,

1903
01:29:21,650 --> 01:29:23,510
Speaker 2: you know, the girl next to her face. And when

1904
01:29:23,550 --> 01:29:25,370
Speaker 2: he says that, she turns around and goes, I am

1905
01:29:25,470 --> 01:29:26,629
Speaker 2: not doing that.

1906
01:29:28,450 --> 01:29:30,300
Speaker 1: That's where she puts her foot down.

1907
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 3: And then he didn't make them do it.

1908
01:29:34,340 --> 01:29:38,740
Speaker 1: What? She should have been like, and you're letting us out.

1909
01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:45,180
Speaker 2: I cannot tell you how much I would have been

1910
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 2: that girl. And I would have been like, definitely shoot me.

1911
01:29:49,060 --> 01:29:53,560
Speaker 2: I am not taking my pants off in any way

1912
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:56,910
Speaker 2: at the library with all these nice people around me.

1913
01:29:57,890 --> 01:29:58,450
Speaker 1: Wow.

1914
01:29:58,689 --> 01:30:03,570
Speaker 2: I am not doing that. You with your guns and

1915
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:08,330
Speaker 2: your bombs. So awesome. So then he just makes them

1916
01:30:08,370 --> 01:30:11,130
Speaker 2: take their jackets off. Why? Yeah. Oh.

1917
01:30:11,210 --> 01:30:12,950
Speaker 3: Because she is not doing that.

1918
01:30:12,990 --> 01:30:14,910
Speaker 1: But he has a gun under his jacket.

1919
01:30:15,530 --> 01:30:20,950
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Georgia. I've been listening. So, you, like Gwen,

1920
01:30:21,210 --> 01:30:22,050
Speaker 2: have been listening.

1921
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:22,490
Speaker 1: Okay.

1922
01:30:22,750 --> 01:30:26,090
Speaker 2: So, he makes Gwen, of course, go around and take

1923
01:30:26,150 --> 01:30:29,090
Speaker 2: everyone's jacket from them and then put them in the corner.

1924
01:30:29,150 --> 01:30:30,650
Speaker 1: Oh, Gwen has to be the coat girl now?

1925
01:30:30,729 --> 01:30:31,309
Speaker 2: Gwen is.

1926
01:30:31,330 --> 01:30:32,130
Speaker 1: The coat check girl?

1927
01:30:32,250 --> 01:30:33,910
Speaker 3: Gwen's like his gopher a little bit.

1928
01:30:33,939 --> 01:30:34,349
Speaker 1: Like his helper.

1929
01:30:34,380 --> 01:30:35,260
Speaker 3: He keeps looking to her.

1930
01:30:35,380 --> 01:30:37,340
Speaker 2: And I'm sure she's sitting there, because she's probably the

1931
01:30:37,380 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 2: whole time looking at him like, is this really what

1932
01:30:39,340 --> 01:30:39,900
Speaker 2: you're doing now?

1933
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:42,450
Speaker 3: So he's like, fine, you go get the coats.

1934
01:30:43,490 --> 01:30:46,530
Speaker 2: So as she's walking around the outside of the table,

1935
01:30:46,810 --> 01:30:49,580
Speaker 2: when she gets to Lloyd, Lloyd gives her the old,

1936
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 2: like just a real quick, quick ding, ding with the eyes,

1937
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,900
Speaker 2: not my coat. And she doesn't miss a beat. I

1938
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 2: encourage everyone in your life. Please always look for small,

1939
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 2: tiny clues that people are trying to fucking give you

1940
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 2: because what is worse than being the person who Or

1941
01:31:07,300 --> 01:31:10,330
Speaker 2: experiencing the person where you're like, don't take my coat.

1942
01:31:10,350 --> 01:31:12,050
Speaker 2: And they're like, why don't you want me to take

1943
01:31:12,090 --> 01:31:13,410
Speaker 2: your coat?

1944
01:31:16,090 --> 01:31:17,870
Speaker 3: Can't you just hand me your coat?

1945
01:31:20,229 --> 01:31:21,150
Speaker 2: Oh, man.

1946
01:31:21,229 --> 01:31:24,179
Speaker 1: We've all been in those situations where it's, don't ask

1947
01:31:24,220 --> 01:31:26,020
Speaker 1: me why I don't want to take my shoes off

1948
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,620
Speaker 1: in your house. My feet smell. I don't want to

1949
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:29,719
Speaker 1: have to tell you that.

1950
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:33,420
Speaker 2: Yes. If I'm telling you something but my eyes are wide,

1951
01:31:34,770 --> 01:31:40,660
Speaker 2: catch on, god damn it. Okay. That was just a

1952
01:31:40,700 --> 01:31:44,860
Speaker 2: sidebar of advice. Screamed at you angrily. Just how I

1953
01:31:44,900 --> 01:31:52,700
Speaker 2: do it. I am not doing that. So she passes Lloyd.

1954
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:55,550
Speaker 2: Then Lloyd says to Draper, can I leave my coat on?

1955
01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm cold.

1956
01:31:56,350 --> 01:31:58,650
Speaker 2: And Draper, of course, is like, if I take your

1957
01:31:58,670 --> 01:32:02,139
Speaker 2: coat off and loses his shit. And so he does it.

1958
01:32:02,270 --> 01:32:04,250
Speaker 2: He takes his coat off in this way where he's

1959
01:32:04,350 --> 01:32:06,189
Speaker 2: able to pull, real quick.

1960
01:32:06,270 --> 01:32:06,730
Speaker 3: Pull his.

1961
01:32:07,890 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 2: His shirt bottom. I was going to say shirt sleeves.

1962
01:32:11,939 --> 01:32:12,660
Speaker 3: What else is there?

1963
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 2: I barely caught myself. Untuck his shirt. The tail of

1964
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 2: his shirt.

1965
01:32:16,420 --> 01:32:17,480
Speaker 1: Fuck.

1966
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:18,860
Speaker 3: Pull it out.

1967
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 2: Shirt tails.

1968
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:23,889
Speaker 3: That's right. Pulls that out to cover the gun.

1969
01:32:23,950 --> 01:32:24,210
Speaker 1: Cool.

1970
01:32:24,410 --> 01:32:24,910
Speaker 3: Right in time.

1971
01:32:25,710 --> 01:32:25,970
Speaker 1: Okay.

1972
01:32:26,090 --> 01:32:30,570
Speaker 2: So, and meanwhile, no one in the room knows that

1973
01:32:30,610 --> 01:32:33,090
Speaker 2: he is a cop. Yeah. No one, everyone is like,

1974
01:32:33,210 --> 01:32:36,390
Speaker 2: we're here with this crazy guy. and super Gwen the librarian.

1975
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,790
Speaker 1: And that's about it. And an accountant, and that's all

1976
01:32:38,830 --> 01:32:39,269
Speaker 1: we've got.

1977
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:43,389
Speaker 2: And that really cold accountant. Why would he risk all

1978
01:32:43,430 --> 01:32:46,490
Speaker 2: of our lives because he's cold? I hate his guts.

1979
01:32:46,530 --> 01:32:48,910
Speaker 1: What a dick. Okay.

1980
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:56,940
Speaker 2: So then he makes everybody, Draper makes everybody read his

1981
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,860
Speaker 2: list of demands. He hands them out, and he goes like,

1982
01:33:00,310 --> 01:33:04,230
Speaker 2: this is why I'm doing this, and if you read this,

1983
01:33:04,610 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 2: now you'll understand. And then everyone gets it and is like, oh, great, great.

1984
01:33:09,300 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 2: A little reason here. Uh-oh. Because the letter says, among

1985
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 2: other things, that he will not negotiate. He demands to

1986
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:25,350
Speaker 2: be reinstated into the National Guard. Woo! He wants a

1987
01:33:25,410 --> 01:33:28,850
Speaker 2: military doctor stripped down to his shorts to come and

1988
01:33:28,910 --> 01:33:32,110
Speaker 2: bring him Sedatives and methamphetamine.

1989
01:33:32,780 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's not a good mix.

1990
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a version of a speedball, but at the library.

1991
01:33:40,420 --> 01:33:45,090
Speaker 2: He demands to be paid in gold and platinum bullion,

1992
01:33:45,229 --> 01:33:47,630
Speaker 2: which is badass.

1993
01:33:47,810 --> 01:33:50,930
Speaker 1: It's actually, one of the accountants was like, financially, that's

1994
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:52,130
Speaker 1: actually sad.

1995
01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:56,500
Speaker 2: You can't go wrong with platinum bullion. It's really.

1996
01:33:56,990 --> 01:33:57,990
Speaker 3: You can take that anywhere.

1997
01:33:58,830 --> 01:34:00,950
Speaker 2: And then he demands to be flown to New Zealand

1998
01:34:01,010 --> 01:34:03,630
Speaker 2: and he wants a full presidential pardon from Bill Clinton.

1999
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:10,790
Speaker 2: So it really bums everybody out as they read it. Meanwhile,

2000
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:17,170
Speaker 2: over at Z93. Okay. Okay. Cutting back because Trisha Griffith

2001
01:34:17,210 --> 01:34:20,410
Speaker 2: has arrived and she's like, I'm going to be here now.

2002
01:34:20,810 --> 01:34:22,590
Speaker 2: The weekend DJ doesn't have to deal with the hard

2003
01:34:22,630 --> 01:34:23,340
Speaker 2: shit anymore.

2004
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: Cut the blues, traveler. This is fucking happening.

2005
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:28,480
Speaker 3: It's like harmonica.

2006
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: Hostage.

2007
01:34:33,460 --> 01:34:38,870
Speaker 2: So she sits there and at the DJ deck, she

2008
01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:43,030
Speaker 2: sits there and just in case the hostage, the.

2009
01:34:45,490 --> 01:34:50,510
Speaker 2: The bomber calls back, which he does. Cool. He's screaming,

2010
01:34:50,770 --> 01:34:54,860
Speaker 2: do not hang up on me. Put me on the

2011
01:34:54,939 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 2: air or everybody dies. So she had the weekend DJ

2012
01:34:58,740 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 2: go call the cops and be like, you know, he

2013
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 2: called once before. What do we do or whatever? And

2014
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 2: the cops had told the weekend DJ, do not put.

2015
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: Him on the air.

2016
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,780
Speaker 2: But of course, Trisha's talking to him and she's like, no,

2017
01:35:11,820 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 2: he's going to kill these people. There's no doubt in

2018
01:35:13,939 --> 01:35:16,940
Speaker 2: my mind. So she was like, I'm going to put

2019
01:35:16,979 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 2: him on the air because I don't want.

2020
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:18,810
Speaker 3: These people to die.

2021
01:35:18,820 --> 01:35:20,390
Speaker 1: Trisha making decisions.

2022
01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:24,130
Speaker 2: She was going full program director on his ass. But

2023
01:35:25,630 --> 01:35:28,870
Speaker 2: before she did that, which is great, she thought, I'm

2024
01:35:28,890 --> 01:35:32,210
Speaker 2: going to try one thing. So she says to Draper

2025
01:35:32,250 --> 01:35:35,530
Speaker 2: on the phone, the button to put you on the

2026
01:35:35,610 --> 01:35:38,530
Speaker 2: air is broken and the engineer won't be back till Monday.

2027
01:35:39,650 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 2: And he buys it. What?! Because we all know that

2028
01:35:45,380 --> 01:35:47,229
Speaker 2: there's a strip of buttons that light up.

2029
01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:50,210
Speaker 3: And if that one is broken, the air isn't there.

2030
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:51,990
Speaker 1: And the engineer is gone.

2031
01:35:52,010 --> 01:35:59,220
Speaker 2: The engineer is skiing again as he does. So he

2032
01:35:59,270 --> 01:36:01,860
Speaker 2: buys it. He tells her they have less than 72

2033
01:36:01,860 --> 01:36:06,580
Speaker 2: hours or everyone dies. Then he makes Michael Greer call,

2034
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,500
Speaker 2: call back and read the list of hostage names and

2035
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 2: next of kin. Um, So that when he kills everybody,

2036
01:36:17,740 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 2: she can notify the families.

2037
01:36:20,220 --> 01:36:22,900
Speaker 1: Jesus. Oh, sorry. You guys like him?

2038
01:36:26,330 --> 01:36:30,870
Speaker 2: Did you say you guys like him? I totally like him.

2039
01:36:30,890 --> 01:36:41,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. He's just nice and he listens. He

2040
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:43,019
Speaker 2: likes all the same bands as me.

2041
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:49,440
Speaker 1: Like Blues Traveler. Makes the best toast.

2042
01:36:50,740 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 2: Have you ever had Jesus's toast? It's very small and round.

2043
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:55,620
Speaker 1: And there is.

2044
01:36:55,900 --> 01:36:57,610
Speaker 3: It tastes like glue.

2045
01:36:59,610 --> 01:37:00,370
Speaker 2: That's a reference.

2046
01:37:00,490 --> 01:37:00,870
Speaker 1: I get it.

2047
01:37:01,010 --> 01:37:04,350
Speaker 3: I'm making a Catholic reference.

2048
01:37:05,890 --> 01:37:08,450
Speaker 1: No, it has the face of Jesus burnt toasted into it.

2049
01:37:11,130 --> 01:37:12,550
Speaker 1: He has his own... Never mind.

2050
01:37:12,610 --> 01:37:16,210
Speaker 2: He burns his own face into his own toast. God

2051
01:37:16,330 --> 01:37:17,490
Speaker 2: bless him, literally.

2052
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:18,610
Speaker 1: All right.

2053
01:37:22,610 --> 01:37:26,220
Speaker 2: So Clifford is telling Trisha this super fucked up, very

2054
01:37:26,300 --> 01:37:30,719
Speaker 2: upsetting news, and Trisha gets this idea, and she says, Clifford,

2055
01:37:30,740 --> 01:37:34,520
Speaker 2: can I ask you a question? And he says, yes,

2056
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:37,860
Speaker 2: but he's screaming it or something or waving a gun

2057
01:37:37,900 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 2: at the phone. And she says, what can I play

2058
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 2: for you?

2059
01:37:42,460 --> 01:37:42,680
Speaker 1: Right?

2060
01:37:43,220 --> 01:37:47,939
Speaker 2: So smart. It's so smart because music heals the world.

2061
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 1: All right.

2062
01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:55,420
Speaker 2: Pull out an acoustic guitar. Play seven Nirvana songs. He

2063
01:37:55,460 --> 01:37:58,740
Speaker 2: fucking asked for more deep cuts for them to stop

2064
01:37:58,780 --> 01:38:00,720
Speaker 2: playing the same songs all the time.

2065
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:03,740
Speaker 3: And he asked for less commercials.

2066
01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:04,820
Speaker 1: What?

2067
01:38:04,860 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2068
01:38:05,460 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: That's the most reasonable answer I've ever heard.

2069
01:38:08,500 --> 01:38:09,930
Speaker 3: It's what we all want from Z93.

2070
01:38:12,420 --> 01:38:16,910
Speaker 1: Even off your meds, you're like, here's what's going wrong

2071
01:38:16,970 --> 01:38:18,870
Speaker 1: with your fucking radio station.

2072
01:38:19,310 --> 01:38:21,470
Speaker 2: I can see this and I'm holding a curling iron

2073
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:22,490
Speaker 2: in the library.

2074
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 1: Okay.

2075
01:38:25,860 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, on the other side of the conference table. Sue Ellison,

2076
01:38:31,580 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 2: the diabetic, is now going into severe... She's entering into

2077
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 2: diabetic shock. Everyone in the room is saying, please let

2078
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:42,480
Speaker 2: her go. He says, no way.

2079
01:38:42,500 --> 01:38:44,600
Speaker 1: And....

2080
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:50,540
Speaker 2: Oh, so he's... Draper's getting more and more agitated. This

2081
01:38:50,580 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 2: is over hours and hours and hours have passed. And

2082
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,979
Speaker 2: at one point, he keeps switching hands because he's holding

2083
01:38:57,010 --> 01:38:57,820
Speaker 2: the curling iron open.

2084
01:38:57,850 --> 01:38:58,900
Speaker 3: It's like he has to grip it.

2085
01:38:58,930 --> 01:39:00,130
Speaker 2: He's been gripping it for hours.

2086
01:39:00,229 --> 01:39:03,110
Speaker 1: He's like so bummed that he made that his... Yeah.

2087
01:39:03,790 --> 01:39:05,670
Speaker 1: It's like, couldn't he have just said that, you know,

2088
01:39:05,950 --> 01:39:07,010
Speaker 1: plug it in or something?

2089
01:39:07,630 --> 01:39:08,470
Speaker 2: How about a straightener?

2090
01:39:08,650 --> 01:39:08,870
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2091
01:39:09,110 --> 01:39:09,850
Speaker 3: They just sit there.

2092
01:39:09,890 --> 01:39:11,210
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2093
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 2: So he... asks Michael Greer, he's like, can you get

2094
01:39:17,340 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 2: the duct tape out of my backpack? I need to

2095
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:20,620
Speaker 2: fix the bomb.

2096
01:39:20,860 --> 01:39:23,140
Speaker 3: So everyone's just like, okay.

2097
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 2: So they're putting pieces of duct tape over the bomb.

2098
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:33,820
Speaker 2: And as, oh, and then he, so then he, the

2099
01:39:33,890 --> 01:39:36,530
Speaker 2: next plan is he goes, somebody's got to die. They

2100
01:39:36,570 --> 01:39:38,590
Speaker 2: need to, the police aren't responding the way I want

2101
01:39:38,610 --> 01:39:40,590
Speaker 2: them to. We have to figure out who has to die.

2102
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:43,979
Speaker 2: So he tells Gwen to go get this rope. He says,

2103
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to cut this rope into all these different lengths.

2104
01:39:47,140 --> 01:39:49,059
Speaker 2: Whoever gets the shortest piece dies.

2105
01:39:49,180 --> 01:39:49,940
Speaker 1: No.

2106
01:39:50,020 --> 01:39:53,640
Speaker 2: Yes. So Gwen talks about it. She's like, she took

2107
01:39:53,700 --> 01:39:56,410
Speaker 2: forever to walk over and get the rope.

2108
01:39:56,450 --> 01:39:56,889
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2109
01:39:57,310 --> 01:40:01,009
Speaker 2: She was the slowest walker of all time. And then

2110
01:40:01,770 --> 01:40:06,970
Speaker 2: as she, she, oh, she goes to Clifford and says,

2111
01:40:06,990 --> 01:40:10,770
Speaker 2: I need, how am I going to cut this? I don't,

2112
01:40:10,910 --> 01:40:13,550
Speaker 2: I can't cut this. There's no scissors in here. So

2113
01:40:13,650 --> 01:40:16,729
Speaker 2: he puts the gun down to get the knife out

2114
01:40:16,750 --> 01:40:17,610
Speaker 2: of his backpack.

2115
01:40:18,260 --> 01:40:18,490
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2116
01:40:19,340 --> 01:40:23,540
Speaker 2: And the second he does that, that's when Lloyd knows

2117
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,500
Speaker 2: this is his fucking time to shine. He pulls that

2118
01:40:26,580 --> 01:40:30,220
Speaker 2: fucking gun. And so, sorry, but really quick, they talk

2119
01:40:30,260 --> 01:40:32,260
Speaker 2: about this, which I love. He had taken some kind

2120
01:40:32,300 --> 01:40:35,350
Speaker 2: of a bomb clasp So he knew if the bomb

2121
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:38,340
Speaker 2: did go off in the room, if everybody was under

2122
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 2: the table, they could probably, because it's the size of

2123
01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:42,980
Speaker 2: the bomb, and he's talking about the type that it

2124
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 2: probably was, that bombs like that, they go off up.

2125
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,560
Speaker 2: So if everyone was under the plane of the table,

2126
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,719
Speaker 2: there was a less chance that they would all be injured.

2127
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 2: So he fucking stands up when he sees that his

2128
01:40:54,880 --> 01:41:00,059
Speaker 2: hands are between weapons, fucking stands up and screams, sheriff's office.

2129
01:41:00,710 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 2: Everybody get down. All the people in the chairs fucking

2130
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:08,540
Speaker 2: hit the deck. And he shoots Clifford Draper five times.

2131
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 1: Oh, God. Sorry. That was so exciting. I was so excited.

2132
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 2: You went into your own mic.

2133
01:41:22,460 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 1: No, I didn't.

2134
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 2: Table.

2135
01:41:24,350 --> 01:41:26,010
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought it was your tube. No, no, no.

2136
01:41:27,570 --> 01:41:28,950
Speaker 3: God, that was the best visual.

2137
01:41:28,990 --> 01:41:30,429
Speaker 1: Like, oh.

2138
01:41:32,410 --> 01:41:34,349
Speaker 2: Clunk. Yes.

2139
01:41:34,570 --> 01:41:35,950
Speaker 1: Did that scare everyone?

2140
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 2: I think it was really good sound effects.

2141
01:41:38,979 --> 01:41:39,520
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

2142
01:41:39,620 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 4: Yes.

2143
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:44,410
Speaker 2: Yes. Right as... So the SWAT team was right outside

2144
01:41:44,450 --> 01:41:45,520
Speaker 2: the conference room door.

2145
01:41:45,530 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 3: They were like all in it.

2146
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,560
Speaker 2: But they were just sitting there like, you know, they

2147
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 2: don't want that fucking dead man detonator thing to go off.

2148
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:56,300
Speaker 2: So when they hear the gunshots, they shoot up at

2149
01:41:56,340 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 2: the top of these glass windows that go into the

2150
01:41:59,320 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 2: conference room.

2151
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:01,979
Speaker 3: These fucking windows shatter.

2152
01:42:02,420 --> 01:42:06,430
Speaker 2: There's like 19 SWAT people in the room. And when

2153
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:11,010
Speaker 2: that dead man detonator hit... It didn't fucking work because

2154
01:42:11,050 --> 01:42:13,590
Speaker 2: he had put too much duct tape on it while

2155
01:42:13,670 --> 01:42:14,910
Speaker 2: he was trying to fix it.

2156
01:42:15,570 --> 01:42:16,469
Speaker 3: So by some.

2157
01:42:16,510 --> 01:42:21,260
Speaker 2: Fucking miracle of real life God, that bomb did not

2158
01:42:21,340 --> 01:42:21,850
Speaker 2: go off.

2159
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:23,300
Speaker 1: Wow.

2160
01:42:23,310 --> 01:42:24,910
Speaker 3: And everybody lived.

2161
01:42:24,990 --> 01:42:29,179
Speaker 1: Yay!

2162
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:33,640
Speaker 2: Except for the terribly mentally ill man who got shot

2163
01:42:33,700 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 2: five times.

2164
01:42:34,540 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 1: Jesus.

2165
01:42:35,060 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 2: Died on the way to the hospital.

2166
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:36,719
Speaker 1: Sorry.

2167
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:40,220
Speaker 2: I should have... I'm sorry I said everybody.

2168
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:43,380
Speaker 1: Can we take our chair back? I mean, listen.

2169
01:42:44,010 --> 01:42:53,570
Speaker 2: All the hostages? Shit. Gwen still works at the Salt

2170
01:42:53,610 --> 01:42:55,340
Speaker 2: Lake City fucking library.

2171
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,700
Speaker 3: After party.

2172
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 1: With Gwen.

2173
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,809
Speaker 2: And she says this amazing thing at the end of 2020.

2174
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 2: She was like, when bad things happen, you can either

2175
01:43:06,300 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 2: be a victim or you can be a survivor. And

2176
01:43:09,260 --> 01:43:11,740
Speaker 2: I love the library. And of course I still work

2177
01:43:11,780 --> 01:43:14,470
Speaker 2: at the library. It was just like fucking Gwen and

2178
01:43:14,490 --> 01:43:17,630
Speaker 2: your jewel tones, kicking down that knowledge.

2179
01:43:18,630 --> 01:43:19,650
Speaker 3: Lloyd Prescott at.

2180
01:43:19,630 --> 01:43:22,750
Speaker 2: The end of that 2020 was asked why he went

2181
01:43:22,910 --> 01:43:26,769
Speaker 2: into that conference room at such grave danger to himself.

2182
01:43:27,070 --> 01:43:29,660
Speaker 2: And he said, In the police force and in the military,

2183
01:43:29,850 --> 01:43:32,470
Speaker 2: it's your job to risk your life. That's why we

2184
01:43:32,490 --> 01:43:43,469
Speaker 2: have cops. God bless his soul. There he is! More

2185
01:43:43,490 --> 01:43:44,370
Speaker 2: jewel tones.

2186
01:43:47,410 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 1: Lloyd. Lloyd.

2187
01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:51,610
Speaker 2: Man, can you imagine?

2188
01:43:51,689 --> 01:43:54,260
Speaker 1: Hey Lloyd. What if he and what's her face had

2189
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 1: fallen in love?

2190
01:43:55,280 --> 01:44:00,800
Speaker 2: Married. Gwen and Lloyd across the table. That moment where

2191
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:03,460
Speaker 2: he was like, don't take my jacket. She's like, fine,

2192
01:44:03,500 --> 01:44:05,000
Speaker 2: but I'm coming back for you.

2193
01:44:05,020 --> 01:44:07,510
Speaker 1: Boom. Yeah.

2194
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:14,309
Speaker 2: That's my lifetime movie. I'll write it when I get home. Shit. Right?

2195
01:44:14,330 --> 01:44:24,270
Speaker 1: That was amazing. Thank you. I was with you that

2196
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:30,070
Speaker 1: entire time. That was fucking insane. I hit my microphone hard.

2197
01:44:30,510 --> 01:44:31,429
Speaker 3: That's how good it was.

2198
01:44:31,890 --> 01:44:34,380
Speaker 2: You know, I'd like to thank I Survived and 2020,

2199
01:44:34,380 --> 01:44:35,939
Speaker 2: the people who actually wrote that.

2200
01:44:37,939 --> 01:44:39,100
Speaker 1: Well, now you're one of them.

2201
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 2: That's right.

2202
01:44:44,020 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. Karen, any updates?

2203
01:44:46,140 --> 01:44:50,170
Speaker 2: There are no updates on this story, but We can

2204
01:44:50,210 --> 01:44:52,390
Speaker 2: go back into the episode and we can listen to

2205
01:44:52,430 --> 01:44:56,620
Speaker 2: a hometown, Salt Lake City hometown from an audience member.

2206
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: Real personal story too. This one was heart-wrenching. Do we

2207
01:45:06,380 --> 01:45:07,260
Speaker 1: have time?

2208
01:45:07,380 --> 01:45:08,340
Speaker 3: I think so.

2209
01:45:10,580 --> 01:45:14,389
Speaker 1: Sit down. Everyone sit down. We have rules first.

2210
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,070
Speaker 2: There's rules and you need to listen. You were talking

2211
01:45:17,110 --> 01:45:20,610
Speaker 2: the whole time, so don't put your hands up. I

2212
01:45:20,650 --> 01:45:25,010
Speaker 2: got eyes like you wouldn't believe. If you would like

2213
01:45:25,050 --> 01:45:27,290
Speaker 2: to tell us your hometown this evening, there's a couple

2214
01:45:27,330 --> 01:45:30,380
Speaker 2: things to keep in mind. You can't be so drunk

2215
01:45:30,420 --> 01:45:32,500
Speaker 2: that you don't know your own story anymore.

2216
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: It says Utah. They're not. They can't.

2217
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:37,660
Speaker 2: It's not.

2218
01:45:38,979 --> 01:45:44,410
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd like to make assumptions.

2219
01:45:44,430 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 2: Make you feel alienated. Everybody in the room wants it

2220
01:45:51,330 --> 01:45:53,769
Speaker 2: to be local. So don't come up here with your

2221
01:45:53,810 --> 01:45:58,630
Speaker 2: Mississippi bullshit. It's what we want.

2222
01:45:58,650 --> 01:45:59,769
Speaker 3: It's what everyone wants.

2223
01:45:59,850 --> 01:46:01,250
Speaker 1: Local to Utah would be great.

2224
01:46:01,870 --> 01:46:04,090
Speaker 2: You know you can't read, but we say that anyway.

2225
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:06,530
Speaker 2: Don't be reading off of any kind of piece of paper.

2226
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:08,970
Speaker 2: We just want to talk to you. We want you

2227
01:46:08,990 --> 01:46:12,110
Speaker 2: to chat it up. It's a great idea to keep

2228
01:46:12,180 --> 01:46:15,280
Speaker 2: it to, in your mind, like maybe two paragraphs because

2229
01:46:15,300 --> 01:46:17,720
Speaker 2: you have to remember that if you get picked, Everyone

2230
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 2: else in the room hates your guts. All right. Do

2231
01:46:20,390 --> 01:46:21,099
Speaker 2: your thing.

2232
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:23,010
Speaker 1: Can we get the lights up for a second?

2233
01:46:24,770 --> 01:46:26,910
Speaker 2: Whoa. Whoa.

2234
01:46:26,930 --> 01:46:37,849
Speaker 1: I hate this. This blonde person. Yeah, yeah. This blonde lady. Girl.

2235
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:38,530
Speaker 1: She's the girl.

2236
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:39,180
Speaker 2: That's Vince.

2237
01:46:43,340 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 1: Hi.

2238
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:46,520
Speaker 3: You can bring those lights down now. Thank you.

2239
01:46:47,210 --> 01:46:48,689
Speaker 1: It's Holly, everyone.

2240
01:46:48,710 --> 01:46:49,430
Speaker 2: Hi, what's your name?

2241
01:46:50,370 --> 01:46:50,670
Speaker 4: Holly.

2242
01:46:50,729 --> 01:46:51,710
Speaker 1: Hi, Holly.

2243
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:52,790
Speaker 2: Holly, come over here.

2244
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Speaker 1: It's scary. You have to stand on the carpet or

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01:46:55,300 --> 01:46:57,580
Speaker 1: it's bad luck. Yeah, we have to.

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01:46:57,580 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 2: Isn't it pretty?

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01:46:59,740 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 1: You're going to take it home with you tonight. Hold

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01:47:01,260 --> 01:47:05,480
Speaker 1: the microphone, do your thing, and there's your pretty necklace. Okay. Holly,

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01:47:05,500 --> 01:47:09,780
Speaker 1: where are you from? Ogden, Utah. Oh, I talked about

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01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 1: that place. It's a real place. Oh, my God. And first,

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01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:14,700
Speaker 1: I just have to tell you, you got to go

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01:47:14,740 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 1: see the new library. Right. Is it the best?

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01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 2: Can you just give us a quick rundown about the

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01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 2: new library?

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Speaker 1: Super modern. Yeah. Glass, wood, elevators. All the elements. Books.

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01:47:27,300 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 2: Escalators.

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01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,460
Speaker 1: No escalators. Good. We're done with those.

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01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:32,720
Speaker 3: Better for escaping.

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01:47:33,460 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Is it nearby?

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01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:37,540
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on 400 South.

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01:47:38,420 --> 01:47:38,860
Speaker 2: Oh, sure.

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01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 1: Great. Perfect. It's like two blocks, five to 20 blocks

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01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 1: that way. Okay, we'll walk. You know what?

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01:47:44,810 --> 01:47:46,460
Speaker 3: Let's go fucking see Gwen tomorrow.

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01:47:46,460 --> 01:47:49,979
Speaker 4: 2,000 people.

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01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:55,900
Speaker 2: She's on the list. Her last name is Paige. Books, pages.

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Speaker 1: Come on.

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01:47:58,220 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 2: Fuck it. You're killing it already, Holly. Thanks. I'm going

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01:48:01,020 --> 01:48:02,820
Speaker 2: to tell you, you have nothing to worry about.

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01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:06,350
Speaker 1: I took a Xanax. What'd you say? I took a Xanax.

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01:48:08,090 --> 01:48:13,350
Speaker 1: She took a Xanax. No alcohol, just a Xanax. Prescribed

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01:48:13,390 --> 01:48:14,809
Speaker 1: by my doctor. Amazing.

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01:48:15,310 --> 01:48:16,970
Speaker 2: I took a Xanax.

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01:48:16,590 --> 01:48:18,389
Speaker 1: As bad as the whole time. God.

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01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 2: Time. God damn it.

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01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 1: Do you want to be the third member of this podcast?

2278
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:25,560
Speaker 1: I've been dying. I mean, I'm like, can we be

2279
01:48:25,580 --> 01:48:26,099
Speaker 1: best friends?

2280
01:48:26,140 --> 01:48:26,939
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.

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01:48:26,979 --> 01:48:27,340
Speaker 1: We are.

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01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 2: It's already happening.

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01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:31,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm there. Okay, what's your hometown? It's really sad.

2284
01:48:31,820 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 1: So let's bring it down from where we are.

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01:48:33,820 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 3: Well, why'd you say that Xanax thing then?

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01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 1: Sorry. So.

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01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 4: I live in Wyoming right now, but I used to

2288
01:48:41,460 --> 01:48:43,540
Speaker 4: live in Sanpete County.

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01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:48,290
Speaker 1: It's in the center of the state. And I went.

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01:48:48,170 --> 01:48:52,550
Speaker 4: Back a year ago to visit my family, my sisters-in-law,

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01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:55,890
Speaker 4: and a friend of mine who had moved across the

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01:48:55,930 --> 01:48:58,970
Speaker 4: street from my sisters. So we had planned to have

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01:48:59,010 --> 01:49:01,750
Speaker 4: dinner on Thursday night.

2294
01:49:01,910 --> 01:49:02,510
Speaker 1: We got home.

2295
01:49:03,689 --> 01:49:05,600
Speaker 4: Her lights were all off, so we're like, we'll hit

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01:49:05,620 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 4: her up on Friday. That night, we were out drinking.

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01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:10,309
Speaker 4: Chain smoking.

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01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:11,790
Speaker 2: What? What?

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01:49:12,570 --> 01:49:13,690
Speaker 1: Chain smoking.

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01:49:13,710 --> 01:49:13,810
Speaker 2: Chain.

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01:49:13,950 --> 01:49:14,780
Speaker 3: What brand?

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01:49:16,050 --> 01:49:19,689
Speaker 1: It's kind of embarrassing, but it's camel crush. What's that mean?

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01:49:20,330 --> 01:49:23,089
Speaker 4: You crush it and then it becomes fucking menthol.

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01:49:23,130 --> 01:49:25,610
Speaker 1: That's right. It's amazing.

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01:49:25,630 --> 01:49:28,650
Speaker 3: Menthol cigarettes will kill you immediately.

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01:49:29,090 --> 01:49:32,830
Speaker 1: That's what I'm going for. I'm ready to go. No,

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01:49:33,170 --> 01:49:36,049
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. They're delicious. They're fresh. They're not delicious.

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01:49:36,189 --> 01:49:39,689
Speaker 1: I love them.

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01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:40,470
Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:49:41,670 --> 01:49:42,110
Speaker 1: So, um.

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01:49:43,310 --> 01:49:49,670
Speaker 4: My friend, Cami, she was engaged. And that night we

2312
01:49:49,689 --> 01:49:53,860
Speaker 4: were outside and it's wildlife outside. There's cows and chickens

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01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 4: and cats and.

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01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:56,980
Speaker 1: All sorts of animals.

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01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 4: And we heard a lot of noises and we thought

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01:50:00,979 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 4: it was just the wildlife and it wasn't. It was

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01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:07,600
Speaker 4: our friend Cami and she got murdered by her fiance.

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01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:07,790
Speaker 1: And.

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01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 4: It was about 100 feet from where we were, and

2320
01:50:14,410 --> 01:50:17,820
Speaker 4: we were right there, and I had just started listening

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01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:21,120
Speaker 4: to your podcast, and I was probably listening to it

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01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:22,720
Speaker 4: while it happened, because I had gone to sleep at

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01:50:22,740 --> 01:50:27,420
Speaker 4: about midnight, and she, the police think it was about

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01:50:27,420 --> 01:50:32,700
Speaker 4: 1 o'clock, and it was one of the hardest things

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01:50:32,740 --> 01:50:36,930
Speaker 4: in my life, but, you know, good things happen, people survive,

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01:50:37,689 --> 01:50:42,210
Speaker 4: and Cammie, who was a wonderful person, and You know,

2327
01:50:42,350 --> 01:50:47,030
Speaker 4: her fiancé was arrested the next day. He told them

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01:50:47,150 --> 01:50:50,559
Speaker 4: that she had been with us and had been in

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01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:53,600
Speaker 4: a car accident and walked home and then got in

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01:50:53,620 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 4: the bath and he got up in the morning and

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01:50:55,180 --> 01:50:55,940
Speaker 4: she was dead.

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01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:56,030
Speaker 2: Wow.

2333
01:50:57,570 --> 01:51:00,330
Speaker 1: He had done it with a hammer and a shovel.

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01:51:01,150 --> 01:51:01,690
Speaker 1: It was bad.

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01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:03,650
Speaker 2: They knew that, right?

2336
01:51:03,689 --> 01:51:04,940
Speaker 3: Like they knew he was lying?

2337
01:51:05,220 --> 01:51:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. We had to answer some questions, but yeah.

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01:51:09,060 --> 01:51:12,160
Speaker 1: It was tough. Yeah. And I still feel really guilty

2339
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:15,100
Speaker 1: about it, but. You shouldn't feel guilt. I mean, I

2340
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 1: get it. But yeah.

2341
01:51:17,260 --> 01:51:18,380
Speaker 3: Sorry, how long ago was this?

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01:51:18,660 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 1: It'll be a year in March.

2343
01:51:19,810 --> 01:51:20,930
Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Yeah.

2344
01:51:21,390 --> 01:51:24,349
Speaker 1: That's tough. Yeah. Yeah. But I love you guys, and

2345
01:51:24,370 --> 01:51:27,269
Speaker 1: I love you guys.

2346
01:51:27,370 --> 01:51:30,290
Speaker 2: You get to smoke as many menthols as you want to.

2347
01:51:30,570 --> 01:51:32,470
Speaker 4: I'm shaking smoking back to Wyoming.

2348
01:51:33,070 --> 01:51:36,009
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to have a menthol cigarette tonight in memory

2349
01:51:36,030 --> 01:51:37,970
Speaker 1: of Cammie, right? Yeah.

2350
01:51:38,170 --> 01:51:39,390
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to.

2351
01:51:39,570 --> 01:51:41,210
Speaker 1: Cammie, we smoked together.

2352
01:51:41,250 --> 01:51:44,950
Speaker 4: We took a smoking cessation class together. So we quit

2353
01:51:45,020 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 4: smoking together, and then we started up again.

2354
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:48,340
Speaker 2: Well.

2355
01:51:50,210 --> 01:51:53,689
Speaker 1: And you guys crushed it. Oh, my God. We crushed it.

2356
01:51:53,710 --> 01:51:55,900
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being brave and coming up.

2357
01:51:55,910 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 1: Thank you. You're amazing. Holly, everybody.

2358
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:08,450
Speaker 2: Holly. Fuck. Shit.

2359
01:52:14,810 --> 01:52:16,390
Speaker 1: And we're back. Karen, you want to give us any

2360
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:17,990
Speaker 1: updates on the story?

2361
01:52:18,150 --> 01:52:22,930
Speaker 2: There are some updates, actually. Kami Mae Edmonds' fiancé, Anthony Christensen,

2362
01:52:22,990 --> 01:52:27,450
Speaker 2: pled guilty to her murder and obstruction of justice in 2020.

2363
01:52:27,450 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 2: And he did admit that he beat her to death

2364
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 2: and tried to stage her death as a car crash.

2365
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:35,680
Speaker 2: In March of 2020, Christensen was sentenced to two terms

2366
01:52:35,860 --> 01:52:38,240
Speaker 2: of five years to life and a third term of

2367
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:41,770
Speaker 2: one to 15 years in Utah State Prison. Kami's mother,

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01:52:42,030 --> 01:52:44,939
Speaker 2: Tammy Coates, later started the Kami Mae Foundation to raise

2369
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:48,300
Speaker 2: awareness about domestic violence. And you can find out more

2370
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:53,139
Speaker 2: about the Kami Mae Foundation at kamimaefoundation.weebly.com.

2371
01:52:53,300 --> 01:52:57,689
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so let's end this episode that was originally

2372
01:52:57,729 --> 01:53:01,110
Speaker 1: called Live at Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City by

2373
01:53:01,189 --> 01:53:04,670
Speaker 1: naming it something we would name it today. For example,

2374
01:53:04,750 --> 01:53:06,190
Speaker 1: maybe we would call this episode.

2375
01:53:06,210 --> 01:53:07,870
Speaker 2: The Zombie Contingent.

2376
01:53:07,890 --> 01:53:12,189
Speaker 1: Yes. The zombie contingent. I wish there was just a zombie.

2377
01:53:12,530 --> 01:53:15,050
Speaker 1: Where's the zombie section at our live show?

2378
01:53:15,090 --> 01:53:16,630
Speaker 2: Just like, yay.

2379
01:53:17,229 --> 01:53:19,250
Speaker 1: Oh, we'd have to call it the smell of raves,

2380
01:53:19,570 --> 01:53:20,230
Speaker 1: of course.

2381
01:53:20,450 --> 01:53:23,330
Speaker 2: The smell of raves. Yeah. That's a conversation that needs

2382
01:53:23,370 --> 01:53:27,309
Speaker 2: to continue. Screamers keepers, of course. That was a good one.

2383
01:53:27,590 --> 01:53:28,250
Speaker 1: Shush scent.

2384
01:53:28,910 --> 01:53:32,100
Speaker 2: Yeah. And of course, better for escaping.

2385
01:53:32,110 --> 01:53:32,400
Speaker 1: Always.

2386
01:53:32,410 --> 01:53:32,760
Speaker 2: Always.

2387
01:53:33,470 --> 01:53:35,700
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for listening, guys. Let's go back to 2018

2388
01:53:35,700 --> 01:53:39,040
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City and we'll say goodbye from Kingsbury Hall.

2389
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,720
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, thank you for having us.

2390
01:53:45,979 --> 01:53:49,540
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for....

2391
01:53:52,350 --> 01:53:53,870
Speaker 3: What's that a picture of?

2392
01:53:54,850 --> 01:53:57,889
Speaker 1: It's you. Is it a picture? It's a painting.

2393
01:53:58,729 --> 01:54:00,610
Speaker 3: I guess it's too late to ask that question.

2394
01:54:00,630 --> 01:54:02,470
Speaker 1: We'll ask tomorrow night.

2395
01:54:02,900 --> 01:54:05,260
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm high as a goddamn kite. I don't

2396
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:09,979
Speaker 2: know what's happening. This was such an amazing show, you guys.

2397
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:12,900
Speaker 2: Thank you for being so smart. Thank you for being

2398
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:18,480
Speaker 2: fucking so on it that you sold out tomorrow night's

2399
01:54:18,540 --> 01:54:21,620
Speaker 2: show and demanded this show. What a fucking honor.

2400
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 1: That's crazy. What an honor.

2401
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:28,519
Speaker 2: It's... Yeah.

2402
01:54:28,939 --> 01:54:33,100
Speaker 1: We... We appreciate your support so much. We can't believe

2403
01:54:33,140 --> 01:54:35,480
Speaker 1: we get to do this with our lives.

2404
01:54:35,540 --> 01:54:36,260
Speaker 3: It's insanity.

2405
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:39,020
Speaker 1: And we're not just high in saying that. We really

2406
01:54:39,060 --> 01:54:39,380
Speaker 1: mean it.

2407
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:40,360
Speaker 2: No, that's sincere.

2408
01:54:40,500 --> 01:54:42,460
Speaker 1: And we love the community that you guys have built

2409
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:44,310
Speaker 1: and we're so stoked that we get to be part

2410
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:46,450
Speaker 1: of it. So thank you guys so much for... For

2411
01:54:46,490 --> 01:54:47,110
Speaker 1: supporting us.

2412
01:54:47,150 --> 01:54:47,430
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2413
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:48,570
Speaker 1: Being badasses.

2414
01:54:48,650 --> 01:54:51,530
Speaker 2: It's so fun. It's so fun to watch you guys

2415
01:54:51,570 --> 01:54:54,050
Speaker 2: come out here. It's so fun to watch you guys

2416
01:54:54,110 --> 01:54:56,990
Speaker 2: meet each other and become friends with each other and

2417
01:54:57,370 --> 01:55:00,420
Speaker 2: build a community where we can talk about the hardest

2418
01:55:00,460 --> 01:55:03,500
Speaker 2: fucking things that happen to people in the world and

2419
01:55:03,580 --> 01:55:04,500
Speaker 2: still be okay.

2420
01:55:04,660 --> 01:55:05,620
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of.

2421
01:55:06,460 --> 01:55:08,900
Speaker 2: a big thing that happens with this podcast that we

2422
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 2: didn't plan. And it had not, of course we were

2423
01:55:12,500 --> 01:55:15,050
Speaker 2: just like, let's read true crime stories to each other.

2424
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:18,550
Speaker 2: And something really beautiful and magical is happening with you

2425
01:55:18,570 --> 01:55:20,130
Speaker 2: guys and you're making it happen.

2426
01:55:20,170 --> 01:55:20,950
Speaker 3: So thank you.

2427
01:55:21,410 --> 01:55:25,130
Speaker 2: It's an honor to us what you guys are doing, honestly.

2428
01:55:28,430 --> 01:55:30,090
Speaker 2: So stay sexy.

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01:55:33,860 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 1: Elvis, do you want a cookie?