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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the episode. Hello everybody.
Speaker 2: This podcast was recorded on the streets of Uckland, New Zealand.
Speaker 2: I was in New Zealand on my tour and I
Speaker 2: took the streets to talk to people as a gecko
Speaker 2: in real life, and this episode is two interviews from
Speaker 2: that and then a phone call at the end.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed these two interviews.
Speaker 2: I talked to a bartender living in the area, as
Speaker 2: well as an American transplant to New Zealand. Have a listen.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed having these conversations. Don't skip over it
Speaker 2: just because it's not phone calls. Okay, Sometimes it's good
Speaker 2: to go out into the universe and talk.
Speaker 1: To actual people.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. What's your name, bro?
Speaker 3: My name is Dylan. Dylan.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you, man.
Speaker 3: Nice to me, mister Geko.
Speaker 1: Do you live here in Uckland?
Speaker 3: I do? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1: Tell me about Auckland? What what is?
Speaker 2: What is a guy come into the city who didn't
Speaker 2: know a damn thing about it?
Speaker 1: What should he know?
Speaker 3: Stay away from downtown late nights, like anywhere post three
Speaker 3: am we're in downtown is not the place to be
Speaker 3: at all. It's getting yourself into trouble pretty easy. If
Speaker 3: you want somewhere to go late night, ponson Bee or Kingsland,
Speaker 3: there's like a way bit of area to be at.
Speaker 2: I heard about pants and Bee, Yeah I heard. I
Speaker 2: heard it was nice. It's safer. Okay, that that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you like living here?
Speaker 3: I do? I do. I've lived here my whole life
Speaker 3: and yeah, continue to do.
Speaker 1: So how do you feel like it's changed over time?
Speaker 3: Not much really? I Mean people talk about the fact
Speaker 3: that it's changed a lot, but I don't really feel
Speaker 3: like it's it's changed all there much like it's growing
Speaker 3: as a city. There's more people, but I don't really
Speaker 3: feel like it's it's changed all that much.
Speaker 2: Do you feel isolated, like living on a tiny little
Speaker 2: place like all the way I feel like you guys
Speaker 2: are like just you're so far out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, honestly, I don't know any different. So this
Speaker 3: has been This has been it for me.
Speaker 1: Have you got have you traveled outside of Uckland? Murmourn?
Speaker 3: I've done. I've done Melbourne and that's it. Okay, it's
Speaker 3: all I've done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, word word? What do you What do you do
Speaker 1: for a living?
Speaker 3: I'm a bottender?
Speaker 1: Oh cool?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you uh? Do people like to drink a lot here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a massive drinking culture here.
Speaker 1: Okay have you.
Speaker 2: Now, have you had any like, uh, unruly patrons you've
Speaker 2: had to deal with? Are people generally pretty chill?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like there's always gonna be like people every now and
Speaker 3: again that are that are unruly, But generally people are
Speaker 3: pretty good, nice over here.
Speaker 1: What do you want to do When you were like
Speaker 1: a little kid.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a wildlife photographer?
Speaker 1: Oh really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you are? Are you still like into wildlife and stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well I'm talking to a gecko right now,
Speaker 3: so you know, we'll.
Speaker 1: Take a picture together and then that'll be wildlife. What
Speaker 1: do you do? What's I got?
Speaker 2: Here's one for you. What's the most persistent thought on
Speaker 2: your mind lately?
Speaker 3: Wow? Yeah, this is deep, deep questions from a get go.
Speaker 2: Hey, man, I didn't come to Auckland to waddle in
Speaker 2: the in the in the in the in the kiddie pool.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah right, yeah, yeah no, you totally didn't, God man.
Speaker 3: Right now, probably the thing that I eternalize the most
Speaker 3: is trying to be as as good with my money
Speaker 3: as I possibly can. So the long time, I love
Speaker 3: not being very good with my money. So just trying
Speaker 3: to like make informed decisions with my own money and
Speaker 3: look after myself in that sense I supposed would be
Speaker 3: the thing that, Yeah, it is on my mind the most.
Speaker 2: You don't have to talk about this if you don't
Speaker 2: want to, But like what when you say you were
Speaker 2: previously irresponsible with the money, like in what way, like just.
Speaker 3: Just spending it on, Like there's nights of partying, like
Speaker 3: just a lot of drinking and not a lot of substance,
Speaker 3: like being fun in the moment, but then the next day,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: But then let me ask you this, And I know
Speaker 2: that your goal is to like be more responsible moving forward,
Speaker 2: But when you look back on those crazy times that
Speaker 2: you felt like we were responsible, do you look back
Speaker 2: at them fondly or regretfully?
Speaker 3: I guess it's as a mixed bag of emotions, Like
Speaker 3: there's there's some funness to it as well. It seems
Speaker 3: to good times. But I guess I can't look at
Speaker 3: it back like it was a regrettable decision because I
Speaker 3: was having fun at the time, So no, I don't
Speaker 3: regret it. It's funness, good, good, Yeah, because I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, even though the money's been spending what's been
Speaker 3: done has been done. It's like there's that, okay, but
Speaker 3: there's the whole thing of like I've seen a lot
Speaker 3: of people on TikTok talking about this, the debate between
Speaker 3: when you're young, should you just go for it and
Speaker 3: spend whatever you got to spend and have a good
Speaker 3: time because you'll never be young again, or should you
Speaker 3: be conservative so that way you know you're not totally
Speaker 3: fucked when you get into your like thirties and forties
Speaker 3: and ship. Yeah, it's it's it's difficult, right question to
Speaker 3: really answer. It's like you sort of just have to
Speaker 3: do what you feel it's right, Like what you want
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 1: How do you have fun these days?
Speaker 3: Play card games. We're a big fan of magic togethering.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the magic magic that can get expensive though
Speaker 2: they can can Yeah, that could.
Speaker 1: Get It's funny.
Speaker 2: It's funny because staying at home playing card keeps can
Speaker 2: get more expensive.
Speaker 1: They're going out that actually.
Speaker 3: Again and then there's yeah, there's like snacks for everyone
Speaker 3: that we get snacks, We get a couple of drinks
Speaker 3: going so there's like also that, but it's cheaper than
Speaker 3: just like going out out. You know, it's spinning it
Speaker 3: at home with close friends, some snacks, having a couple
Speaker 3: of drinks, something too crazy.
Speaker 1: Do you have a lot of friends?
Speaker 3: No, No, I wouldn't say I have a lot of friends.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of people I know.
Speaker 2: But you were walking with someone who seemed who seems
Speaker 2: like they're your friends.
Speaker 3: She's a pretty good friend of mine. Actually, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3: This is my partner.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 1: How'd you guys meet?
Speaker 3: We met through work? Actually we met at the same
Speaker 3: bar we're both working at three years ago. Now, yeah,
Speaker 3: I get there, right, Thank god.
Speaker 1: Do you do you desire to have more friends? No?
Speaker 3: In no, particularly, I felt like my circles tightened more
Speaker 3: and more as I've gotten older.
Speaker 2: It's it's good though, you get to you get to
Speaker 2: really it's you invest your time because I feel, I
Speaker 2: guess you get older and you're trying to live more life.
Speaker 2: It's like you you only have a really finite amount
Speaker 2: of time to give to people, and so you gotta
Speaker 2: be more you got. It's similar to how it's important
Speaker 2: to be financially responsible. You gotta be responsible with like,
Speaker 2: you know, you have less and less time where you're.
Speaker 1: Spending your time you know who you're missing your time with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, no, I agree. She's actually helping to be
Speaker 3: a little bitter than my mind. Really, it's a great influence.
Speaker 1: That's how your Holling has been together for.
Speaker 3: Just over what we've been We were friends for a
Speaker 3: couple of years before we actually got together and we've
Speaker 3: been together for just over a year now, almost a
Speaker 3: year and a half. Year and a half, just over
Speaker 3: a year. That's what I said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice man.
Speaker 2: What's your what's your goal in life? What are you
Speaker 2: What's what's next for you? I want to get out
Speaker 2: of I want to get out of Oakland. I want
Speaker 2: just some traveling.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah you said you've been to Melbourne.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I've only done Melbourne. We go back
Speaker 3: to Germany, visit her family, see how she grew up.
Speaker 1: Where where in Germany?
Speaker 2: Stutka a tiny, tiny town in Germany.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice man. Yeah, that'll be the player to go
Speaker 3: through Europe next year, saving towards Europe. Again about the
Speaker 3: but the money thing, Yeah, it's the goal. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So as an American, like especially like every like younger Americans,
Speaker 2: like when we look at places like New Zealand and Australia,
Speaker 2: and Europe.
Speaker 1: We look at them as like, you know.
Speaker 2: These like like just so we look at them as like, oh,
Speaker 2: these places are like doing it the right way and
Speaker 2: so much better than America, and like we I feel
Speaker 2: like we look fondly on you know, places outside of
Speaker 2: the States. How do you feel like, like, do you
Speaker 2: look fondly at like, you know, Europe or America or
Speaker 2: Australia in comparison to New Zealand.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's interesting because I don't know anything
Speaker 3: about it. I haven't been to the country, so I
Speaker 3: guess that, Yeah, I do look at it fondly because
Speaker 3: I haven't been there.
Speaker 2: What's your uh, what's your like opinion on America?
Speaker 1: If you have one.
Speaker 3: I love your politics. Really it's very entertaining. I don't
Speaker 3: know that deeply, but I'd find it super super funny
Speaker 3: just to about every now and again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got we got the we got the Old
Speaker 1: Man Wars gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you certainly do. How do you feel about
Speaker 3: that about the Old Man War, old mammals?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it'd be sick to have a
Speaker 2: president who was it who was to the age of eighty? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know was normally I mean, I I mean,
Speaker 2: I like the guy we got now a lot better
Speaker 2: than uh Trump, for sure, but it would be cool
Speaker 2: to have just like a regular, like.
Speaker 1: A regular human being. Yeah, yeah, Obama.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know shit, some people people are
Speaker 2: gonna be like Obama did this and that. I don't know, shit,
Speaker 2: I'm dumb. But at least he like talked normally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I agree with you, Like I don't know
Speaker 3: much about the politics Americas, well, but at least I
Speaker 3: know about my good string sentences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's important thing. Yeah, yeah, who's the president? Who's
Speaker 1: the president of New Zealand?
Speaker 3: New string sentences? Mister prison, Yeah he's watching. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: who's who's the president of New Zealand?
Speaker 1: Or Prime Minister? I guess what's his name?
Speaker 3: Because it was Jacinda and it recently changed to No,
Speaker 3: it's not Luxembourg. It's no chrisph Luxburg. It's uh god.
Speaker 3: I don't follow politics strongly enough at all. I know
Speaker 3: that he recently changed. I know that Luxembourg is part
Speaker 3: of has changed. Like he's like it's white hand man.
Speaker 3: Do you remember Christopher Luxen.
Speaker 2: Christopher Luxeon's what what do you think? What do you
Speaker 2: think is important?
Speaker 1: To people here.
Speaker 3: I think keeping the country beautiful has always been a
Speaker 3: big part of this country, keeping it green, trying to
Speaker 3: keep it healthy. Sporting women's football right now super important
Speaker 3: for everyone.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The women's before right now is hot all over the place.
Speaker 3: Huh. Chris Hepkins and Luxembourg like, yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: I want to test this out on you.
Speaker 2: Somebody told me that everybody in Auckland knows somebody or
Speaker 2: knows somebody who knows somebody that was a background extra
Speaker 2: and Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 3: I actually do, Yeah, I know, I know, not for
Speaker 3: Lord of the Rings though, for the for the series
Speaker 3: that was recently made that counts. Yeah, yeah, it is
Speaker 3: part of the load of universe, still part of Tolkien's universe.
Speaker 1: Was he do you know him?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 3: He worked at a bar next to an old bar,
Speaker 3: used to work out downtown and.
Speaker 1: He was he was a background character. Yeah yeah, that's
Speaker 1: so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I've that's You're the first person I've
Speaker 2: like asked that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3: Huh what yeah yeah, even yeah, someone who isn't from
Speaker 3: New Zealand, oh you know.
Speaker 1: Someone from costumes?
Speaker 2: Man, this Lord of the Rings really this lord really
Speaker 2: he really gets around them. Now. I asked, what do
Speaker 2: you think is important to people of New Zealand? What's
Speaker 2: important to you personally, not even politically, just we could
Speaker 2: just make it a general question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's something real dip to these questions. Mister gecko,
Speaker 3: is there making me weird, of making me think very
Speaker 3: on the spot right now, in the middle of the.
Speaker 1: Street, take your time, taking time?
Speaker 3: What is really important to me right now? I guess
Speaker 3: it's trying to be as healthy as possible. The first
Speaker 3: thing that comes to mind. Just trying to keep my
Speaker 3: health in check as best I can physically, Yeah, yeah, physically,
Speaker 3: meantally more physically though well with the like I know,
Speaker 3: it's hard to struggle with everyone with eating habits and
Speaker 3: drinking habits, but trying to maintain a little bit of
Speaker 3: balance because it can. You know, you can't slip up
Speaker 3: with eating and drinking every now and against. I think
Speaker 3: that'll be at the top.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 1: That's my worst. That's my like worst.
Speaker 2: That that's probably I mean, I have all kinds of
Speaker 2: problems and stuff, but that's probably one of my most
Speaker 2: big ones.
Speaker 3: Is the this is the health thing. It's it's difficult
Speaker 3: for me to like. It's it's not an easy thing
Speaker 3: for anyone.
Speaker 1: Are you what's your poison?
Speaker 3: Prob Burgers. Burgers is a big poison of manner. Yeah,
Speaker 3: love me a good burger, Kidie Burgers for the rest
Speaker 3: of my life. I was allowed. I love burgers.
Speaker 1: What do you mean now?
Speaker 2: Like? What what's I guess? I'm like, I don't even
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't even know. Like what what's a
Speaker 2: normal person eat? Like what you salmon? Rice potatoes?
Speaker 1: Okay, that seems healthy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, God, I don't know. I wouldn't call myself
Speaker 3: a healthy person because I work at a at a
Speaker 3: pizza bar right now. So it's pizza and pasta for
Speaker 3: free from Wednesday to Sunday.
Speaker 1: You're fucked.
Speaker 3: I'm fucked. You're fucked. Yeah, yeah, you're probably fucked. Yeah
Speaker 3: yeah yeah. So, I mean I'm not a healthy person.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be the right person to ask about correct
Speaker 3: eating habits because I love off free pizza and pasta.
Speaker 1: How's au Is everything okay in the head?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good? I think. I mean, how am I
Speaker 3: doing right now?
Speaker 2: Ge?
Speaker 1: I think you seem you seem same, You seem.
Speaker 3: Getting away with it.
Speaker 1: Bro, me too. I'm going crazy all the time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean you post it up here as
Speaker 3: a gecko. Yeah, I mean this is the sameest thing
Speaker 3: I've done in quite a lot.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: No, I think everyone's a little I don't trust anyone
Speaker 2: who's not a little bit crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, that's those are the people where they
Speaker 1: are truly crazy.
Speaker 3: You have to have a little bit of h t.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I.
Speaker 2: Mean being alive, Like if you if you're truly sentient
Speaker 2: and aware of the position that you have as just
Speaker 2: a human being alive on earth, you gotta be a
Speaker 2: little you gotta be a little bit crazy.
Speaker 1: You gotta be a little bit like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, is going on or in your experience some
Speaker 2: kind of deep sadness or confusion, And if you're not,
Speaker 2: it's like, what the what the hell's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Just stopping at stop signs and.
Speaker 2: Absolutely putting your email address in on websites and stuff.
Speaker 1: You're just what are you doing? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: No, I agree with you. I agree with you. Seeing
Speaker 3: that little clip at Joey Diaz saying that you gotta
Speaker 3: do something.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, what's what's some people they just
Speaker 1: don't do nothing. Yeah, they don't do nothing?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you do you watch a lot of podcasts and.
Speaker 3: Check that a little bit, Yeah, a little bit here
Speaker 3: and there. Yeah, very very claychhited man Joe Rogan. I
Speaker 3: loved the Jerry I love Joe Rogan experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's all, He's everywhere.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. He's an amazing guy. He has as faults
Speaker 3: as everyone does, but he's a good dude. If you're
Speaker 3: watching Joe Rogan, I love you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's watching. Joe Rogan watches every episode of the page.
Speaker 1: Hm hmm. What do you have any jobs like besides
Speaker 1: bartender or was that? Are you like?
Speaker 3: I did a few things before bartending. I was in
Speaker 3: sales okay, the outbound contact center based sales okay, So
Speaker 3: that was like the first roles I did was like
Speaker 3: sales based roles and oh my god, yeah, make you late?
Speaker 3: It was very over. Yeah. Yeah, what was that?
Speaker 1: Oh you checked your phone and went, oh god, I
Speaker 1: thought I made you late to something.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no worries. I was checking when the card shop closer.
Speaker 1: I was on my way to the card sort to
Speaker 1: five drop a drop some racks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, safely drop some racks of course,
Speaker 3: you know the money.
Speaker 1: Oh what were you just saying? You were talking about
Speaker 1: our sales sales?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so I did. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 3: outbound sales was like my first roles. It was all right,
Speaker 3: you know, I enjoyed it for a time, but I
Speaker 3: was late for all the time.
Speaker 1: What were you selling people?
Speaker 3: Selling people like an extension on their Sky packages, which
Speaker 3: is like a broadcasting TV service over here. So I
Speaker 3: was selling them like an extension on the broadcasting service
Speaker 3: that was that was one of the main ones.
Speaker 2: So like, like, I guess that's your guys' version of
Speaker 2: like calmcasts. They're correct, Yeah, okay, Like were you selling
Speaker 2: people something you felt like they did not need?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Oh my god. That reminds me. I had
Speaker 3: this woman. You could see the ages of everyone in
Speaker 3: like the system, right. This woman was a good like
Speaker 3: seventy plus, And I know in my heart that she
Speaker 3: would not know how to use this like different adaptation
Speaker 3: of her Sky television because it's a new remote, everything's different.
Speaker 3: She barely even knows how to use your current one.
Speaker 3: And she was like, are you sure, I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: right to use this, and I convinced her that she
Speaker 3: would be able to use this. This woman is like
Speaker 3: Suny bus, and I know deep down mm hmm that
Speaker 3: she didn't know how to use this.
Speaker 2: That's the tough thing about sales is like they almost
Speaker 2: always are are Oh that bus has a several penises
Speaker 2: carved into it.
Speaker 1: They almost always.
Speaker 2: Are are probably targeting like people who are like significantly older.
Speaker 1: They just have no fucking idea. Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: I finished that call and it's like, I'm a terrible person.
Speaker 3: That woman did not know how to do it. She
Speaker 3: was so sweet. I convinced her for all for a
Speaker 3: number on my sales on my like what is that
Speaker 3: called when you reach a like sales target? For all
Speaker 3: for reaching my sales target, all for reaching quota?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was that kind of Was that the beginning of the
Speaker 1: end of of doing that?
Speaker 3: That was hands down one of my you know, worst
Speaker 3: moments as a human. I feel like that was shocking.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe I did that.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Are you how do you feel about what
Speaker 1: you do?
Speaker 2: Now? Do you do you enjoy like the h the
Speaker 2: risk that you provide to love it? Man? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: People have a good nutt time night out. I'm curious
Speaker 2: about So what's like because I know there's there's no
Speaker 2: tipping here.
Speaker 3: No, well there is, like seldom there are tips, but
Speaker 3: the tipping culture there isn't. There isn't much long because
Speaker 3: we get paid like a decent wage as opposed to
Speaker 3: America where it's like solely based on the tipping culture.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's I mean, you're working the service and
Speaker 3: she too, right, there's a lot of tipping culture over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she said.
Speaker 2: The great thing about getting a tip here is that
Speaker 2: you can tell that they mean it because it's not
Speaker 2: just a thing that they're like kind of expected to do,
Speaker 2: so it is it is usually so I assume when
Speaker 2: you get a tip, it's like because it's like an
Speaker 2: genuine extra thing, not like, yeah, something that's expected.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, like yeah, you've really shown up. Yeah yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2: So do you think do you do you see yourself
Speaker 2: transitioning out of bartending anytime soon to do anything else
Speaker 2: or are you happy doing that?
Speaker 3: I mean eventually eventually, I'm just about to crack thirty.
Speaker 3: I've been bartending for the past like half a decade.
Speaker 3: It's eventually had a point I feel where my body
Speaker 3: won't be able to do the bartending thing anymore because.
Speaker 1: It's late nights.
Speaker 3: It's late nights. It's a lot of physical exertion. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of picking things up and putting them
Speaker 3: down again. So I feel like my body won't be
Speaker 3: able to do that for so long before. Yeah, for
Speaker 3: it'll be time for a transition and then fuck, I
Speaker 3: have no idea what's next?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you? Are you happy?
Speaker 3: I'm happy? That's great, I'm happy. Are you think about
Speaker 3: that one?
Speaker 2: I'm grateful, But I'm not my dad might I'm pretty
Speaker 2: I'm a very neurotic guy, So I'm pretty anxious day
Speaker 2: to day about all sorts of things.
Speaker 3: You're doing super well right now?
Speaker 1: Thanks, Well, I'm having a good Well, Well that's you
Speaker 1: know why why?
Speaker 2: Well, that's because well, right now I'm here, I am
Speaker 2: in the moments, talking to you and doing this, and
Speaker 2: so I feel and that's the times when I feel
Speaker 2: the most h not insane and anxious is when I'm
Speaker 2: actually in the moments doing something.
Speaker 1: You know what the flow state is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've actually seen a couple of videos about it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure They've talked.
Speaker 2: About it on Rogan before, like like when you're actually
Speaker 2: in the uh uh, in the flow and the flow
Speaker 2: when you fussing, you're present, you're there and when you're
Speaker 2: and that's the I think that's the happiest the person
Speaker 2: can possibly be, is when they're just present. Because when
Speaker 2: I what the things that make me unhappy are getting
Speaker 2: anxious about the future, anxious about oh I forgot to
Speaker 2: do this, or maybe I should be doing this or
Speaker 2: that or the other thing, or am I going to
Speaker 2: die because I eat too many hamber in red bulls?
Speaker 2: Like uh, you know, when when my brain is in
Speaker 2: the past or in the future, anywhere but right here.
Speaker 2: But when I'm right here talking to you, I feel
Speaker 2: I feel nice.
Speaker 3: It all fades away away.
Speaker 2: And I'm in Auckland. There's a guy staring at me
Speaker 2: from that bus and waved.
Speaker 1: But I'm here. I'm happy right in this very moment.
Speaker 2: But uh, three hours from now, when I'm sitting in
Speaker 2: my hotel room on my looking at Twitter, I'll probably
Speaker 2: probably be sad again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean that's okay. You know, there's a
Speaker 3: balance to everything. Is you can't always be mister happy Geka.
Speaker 3: Sometimes there needs to be moments wheel like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: say not so happy. I just yeah, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know. I don't know. That's why
Speaker 1: the whole thing is.
Speaker 2: I don't trust anyone who's happy one hundred percent of
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, what's up with this guy? Everyone? Everyone?
Speaker 1: I'm always like, there's everyone. I always feel like everyone has.
Speaker 3: Something nice and a lot of time in the shower.
Speaker 2: Those people, Oh my god, I have to every I
Speaker 2: have never, I have every shower.
Speaker 1: I sit down in the shower.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do.
Speaker 2: I sit down in everyone. I sit down in everyone.
Speaker 2: I've never taken a shower. I haven't taken a shower
Speaker 2: this year without sitting down.
Speaker 1: Is that weird?
Speaker 3: No, that's not weird. It's really nice. Sit still, what's
Speaker 3: hitting you?
Speaker 1: I also haven't taken one this year without pissing in
Speaker 1: it as well?
Speaker 3: Nice nice?
Speaker 1: Is that weird?
Speaker 3: No, that's not weird. That's not weird at all. I've
Speaker 3: done the occasional piss in the shower. Time I don't
Speaker 3: pissing the shower has been she's in the shower with me.
Speaker 3: Then no pissing because of my head, you know, it's
Speaker 3: so weird.
Speaker 1: She looked at him and said, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: She did, no set die.
Speaker 1: Well, what's your name again? I'm Dylan, Dylan Lyle.
Speaker 2: Very nice to meet you, Very nice to meet Is
Speaker 2: there anything else you want to say to the people
Speaker 2: of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: If you're watching, Love You America. If you're watching you
Speaker 3: need a new president New Zealand. If you're watching Stay
Speaker 3: Green beautiful? Yeah, Oh, hey.
Speaker 1: Where should I go?
Speaker 2: I'm going to what heat I I have? I have
Speaker 2: to be at the airport in the evening tomorrow. But
Speaker 2: I want to go on a day trip. Where should
Speaker 2: I go? Where should I go to see some like?
Speaker 2: I want to see some.
Speaker 1: Like Lord of the Rings Ship. Where's a good place
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a cruise to Hobiton. Yeah, it'd
Speaker 3: be a be a bit of a tough day trip.
Speaker 3: They have a car. If you had a car, I got,
Speaker 3: I got my I got my own.
Speaker 2: I got Oh. I just have a bunch of these
Speaker 2: Gecko costumes.
Speaker 1: That's all that's in my possession right now.
Speaker 3: It's just alternating gigo costumes. Yeah, it's a bit of
Speaker 3: a mission to get to hobbiton if you wanted something
Speaker 3: Lord of the rings base, what.
Speaker 1: About what he?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that place cool?
Speaker 3: I saw that on the on the tzip of your
Speaker 3: tongue there before you before you ask me why he
Speaker 3: would beautiful. If it's a nice day tomorrow, okay, and
Speaker 3: you want to go to Wahiki, it's this beautiful spot.
Speaker 3: It's called mud Brick and it's a vineyard over there.
Speaker 3: It's not far from the Theory terminal as well, so
Speaker 3: you get off Ferry terminal. It's like a ten minute
Speaker 3: scooter if you hire a scooter or like a tim
Speaker 3: minute uber or TEXTI. I don't know what they I
Speaker 3: don't know if they do Uber's over there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: i'd say go do mud breaking, go to one of
Speaker 3: the beach.
Speaker 1: That's my chances of like going missing.
Speaker 3: On White Hickey. Yeah, like slim to none do.
Speaker 1: Missing.
Speaker 3: No, No, you don't can go missing?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I go missing.
Speaker 3: Bro, you're next. If you want to have a jam,
Speaker 3: you're next. All right, easy, easy.
Speaker 1: I see my mom, dumb don't oh ship all right?
Speaker 1: Come back?
Speaker 3: All right there you go on to the next one.
Speaker 1: Dylan.
Speaker 2: Very nice to meet you, man, It's pleasure man. Thanks
Speaker 2: coming I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: What a journey, What a journey. It has been beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's been nice. Dylan forever, laugh forever, awesome, all right,
Speaker 2: take care brother, get Yeah, of course, of course the
Speaker 2: wildlife photography dream has come true.
Speaker 3: Wicked. Yea, it's fantastic. Thanks, thank you, man.
Speaker 1: That was fun. I like talking to that guy.
Speaker 7: Kiwi people are some of the most friendly in the world. Really,
Speaker 7: that's for sure. Yeah, and you are from I'm American
Speaker 7: from Boston, Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: You're American for.
Speaker 2: Boston, Massachusetts. And I'll say this at the beginning of
Speaker 2: this and I cut it out, but there were several
Speaker 2: there were a couple other Americans who wanted to have
Speaker 2: a seat and talk, and I was like, what happens.
Speaker 1: All the time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go, I'll go to a four I'll travel
Speaker 2: all the way to a foreign country to interview people,
Speaker 2: and the only people that want to talk to me
Speaker 2: are Americans. But I feel like we got a nice, healthy,
Speaker 2: we had some nice, healthy Kiwi conversations today. So we
Speaker 2: can fit a yank in. What's your name, man, I'm Jake,
Speaker 2: Jake missed to Mate. We met earlier and talked for
Speaker 2: a little bit while I was setting up. But for
Speaker 2: sure someone ask you a lot of the same.
Speaker 5: That's fine, thanks, I repeat myself. You know, it's easier.
Speaker 1: How's your life going, what's going on?
Speaker 5: It's good.
Speaker 7: I've lived in New Zealand about five years now and
Speaker 7: it's a cool country. It's very relaxed, it's super easy
Speaker 7: to live in. People are friendly. You know, there's really
Speaker 7: no problems in it at all.
Speaker 1: You say there's no problems.
Speaker 7: Really, I mean everywhere's problems in the world, right of course,
Speaker 7: but comparatively, it's safe to live in. You know, it's
Speaker 7: it's hard to be like destitute in it's really like
Speaker 7: low ceiling. But again there's a really low floor, but
Speaker 7: there's a high ceiling at the same time, so it's
Speaker 7: kind of complicated in that regard. But it's super easy
Speaker 7: to live I've been here out through all of COVID
Speaker 7: and that was way better than the States.
Speaker 1: Why was it better here for COVID than in the States.
Speaker 5: It was just handled in the way less aggressive way.
Speaker 5: I think. O think it's just the population.
Speaker 7: I think people are just less aggressive by nature, and
Speaker 7: I think it was just handled in a much more
Speaker 7: like communal way versus like US versus them way, and
Speaker 7: America has become very much US versus them in the
Speaker 7: past few years.
Speaker 1: It's just strange interesting. Yeah, do you ever go back
Speaker 1: to America?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I went back in November. It was the first
Speaker 7: time I've been back in the States in like about
Speaker 7: five years. It's good to like see family and stuff.
Speaker 7: Went back for a wedding and things. But it changed
Speaker 7: a whole lot. People again didn't seem as friendly as
Speaker 7: I remember leaving it. And I think that just comes
Speaker 7: down to there's a lot more like political division and
Speaker 7: social division and economic division. And I just think that
Speaker 7: like as perforated into society a lot stronger than it
Speaker 7: maybe it used to be, or maybe I'm just older
Speaker 7: and more aware now.
Speaker 2: M you know, I was talking to somebody. I don't
Speaker 2: know if New Zealand and Australia had similar deals, but
Speaker 2: it's from from talking to people about how the COVID
Speaker 2: was in Australia.
Speaker 1: It seemed like it was more aggressive.
Speaker 2: Well, I had somebody told me that when they had
Speaker 2: they had COVID and a police officer like came to
Speaker 2: their house, Yeah, and like made sure that they didn't
Speaker 2: go out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it definitely was way more fascist in that regard,
Speaker 7: like the lockdowns happened and kind of being forced to
Speaker 7: stay inside. But even outside of that, people were less aggressive.
Speaker 7: Like in America when there was like mask mandates, there
Speaker 7: was people like screaming at coffee shop workers for being like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well because it's funny because when he told
Speaker 2: me that, I was like, dude, in America, people that
Speaker 2: would not people people would have gotten fucking yes exactly,
Speaker 2: because as I'm traveling more like and like us, everyone
Speaker 2: knows like America is all about like, uh exactly, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: which is why someone when I said he looked at
Speaker 2: me and was like, well.
Speaker 7: They're not gonna say anything here, yea. But yeah, I
Speaker 7: just think it comes down to just how how people are.
Speaker 7: This is a very like relaxed country. People are very chill.
Speaker 7: It's you know, they don't really ask for a whole lot,
Speaker 7: they don't really want a whole up, but they also
Speaker 7: you know, are very much I don't know, I guess.
Speaker 7: I guess America is just much more about like I
Speaker 7: deserve so much and you should give that to me
Speaker 7: orreas this country is more like I deserve what other
Speaker 7: people deserve. There's a bit of tall poppy syndrome too,
Speaker 7: like somebody else about, Yeah, if you do too much,
Speaker 7: people really want to cut you down because they don't
Speaker 7: want to see you excel because that means they have
Speaker 7: to work harder.
Speaker 5: I really think that's what it comes down.
Speaker 1: To, the tall poppy syndrome here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody I was talking to somebody in Brisbane, Australia,
Speaker 2: and they said the exact same thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I just think it comes down to, like, you know,
Speaker 7: America as a country that like there's that mindset if
Speaker 7: you work really hard, you get a whole lot. Yeah,
Speaker 7: even though it's not true, and I don't think that
Speaker 7: mindset is necessarily the same here. And that's you know
Speaker 7: socialist healthcare as well, and you know government subsidies and
Speaker 7: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Is there socialist health care here?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 7: If you get into any kind of accident, you're totally fine,
Speaker 7: So talking to you right now, And a car comes
Speaker 7: and hits my leg and breaks it, totally covered by everything.
Speaker 7: I don't pay anything for that.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 5: They even pay me to like be out of work
Speaker 5: for a few weeks, like to recover.
Speaker 1: Is that is that an Australia thing too?
Speaker 5: I think so. I think I've tried.
Speaker 2: I talked to some people in Australia and they said
Speaker 2: that they still have to like pay for healthcare, and I.
Speaker 7: Mean, you still have to pay when you go see
Speaker 7: like specialists, and you have to like go to like
Speaker 7: pay a copey at the doctor and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: But like calling an ablience isn't gonna be three K
Speaker 7: out of pocket like it is in the States, which
Speaker 7: is again awesome.
Speaker 1: And do you get all that.
Speaker 7: I mean, you're I mean you've been here for five years, right,
Speaker 7: even if you're just traveling through the country, so you're
Speaker 7: like in a car accident, they'll help take care of you.
Speaker 7: They might charge you more than like a local, but
Speaker 7: it won't be nearly as high as America.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. Yeah, what else do you like here more than America?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: The climate's pretty cool, Like there's not as much it's
Speaker 7: not really hot, it's not really cold. It's pretty consistent.
Speaker 7: This country is really small, so it's easy to like
Speaker 7: travel domestically in, which was like beneficial during COVID because
Speaker 7: kind of like the world was locked down for a
Speaker 7: little bit. Yeah, but you know, are there is there
Speaker 7: a train system there used to be but there's not anymore.
Speaker 7: I think that just became like cars became like the
Speaker 7: dominant sign of like the West, you know, they became
Speaker 7: very much like the sign of individual freedom and.
Speaker 5: Liberty, like in Fascinating.
Speaker 7: Well, the people can take your house away, but it's
Speaker 7: so hard to take your car away if you're in it.
Speaker 7: Like they can come to your house and throw you
Speaker 7: in handcuffs, but if you're moving your vehicle, how are
Speaker 7: they gonna take it from you? And I think that's
Speaker 7: just become like boo, yeah, and it's become like a
Speaker 7: thing in America too, cities are designed for cars and
Speaker 7: not pedestrians or trains or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I know, it's such a bummer, man, it's such a bummer.
Speaker 2: The whole uh, the whole city is a design for
Speaker 2: I was I was thinking about this, like every American
Speaker 2: city is. There's maybe like a tiny handful of New York, Chicago,
Speaker 2: New York, Chicago, may be Philly.
Speaker 7: Maybe Boston. But yeah, other than that, La is designed
Speaker 7: fully for cars. Most of Texas is designed fully for cars.
Speaker 7: I really can't think of any public infrastruction in US
Speaker 7: that's like top tier besides maybe New York. But you
Speaker 7: know that's two hundred years old at this point.
Speaker 2: All right, now, any what do you like better about
Speaker 2: America than New Zealand's?
Speaker 7: Uh, the economy way stronger. It's you know, it's easier
Speaker 7: to make money Like I would I was working as
Speaker 7: a bartender back in like Boston. I would pull in like,
Speaker 7: you know, twelve hundred bucks on like a Friday and
Speaker 7: a Saturday night in cash. And that's like a weekly
Speaker 7: pay here for a bartender. So it's good and bad
Speaker 7: because there's less of that tipping culture, but there's also
Speaker 7: more of there's just harder to make money. And housing
Speaker 7: prices are ridiculous in rents insane?
Speaker 1: How much do you pay for rent? So I'm one
Speaker 1: of those How much do you pay for rent? Guys?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: How much differ rent in New Zealand?
Speaker 7: So I have a two bedroom that I share with
Speaker 7: somebody and it's seven hundred and twenty dollars a week.
Speaker 1: Seven hundred and twenty New Zealand dollars? Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 5: What's five forty I think American?
Speaker 2: That's like New Zealand dollar is point is sixty two percent?
Speaker 1: Yeah, of correct, So what would it be? Okay? So
Speaker 1: it's how much was the rent of.
Speaker 5: Weekly seven seven thirty. So I think if you do.
Speaker 2: Thirty divided by split seven thirty total split between you.
Speaker 1: Two between two of us, So that's how much would
Speaker 1: that be for you?
Speaker 7: That's uh so what is that? Three fifty plus twenty
Speaker 7: so like, uh three sixty five.
Speaker 1: Three five about right?
Speaker 2: Times point six two. Let's do I'm gonna do some math. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's do the math on this. I'm very I'm very
Speaker 2: curious about this kind of thing.
Speaker 7: I think when I last looked, it was like two
Speaker 7: thousand New Zealand dollars was like one thousand, two hundred
Speaker 7: American You pay what three.
Speaker 2: Sixty five yeah times fifty two divided by twelve times
Speaker 2: point six two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, a nine hundred and eighty American dollars
Speaker 1: a month.
Speaker 5: That sounds about right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds pretty standard to live in like a
Speaker 1: big major city.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And again you know, like you know, pay us pretty well,
Speaker 7: like minimum wages like twenty one dollars an hour.
Speaker 1: New Zealand dollars.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, which that seems that's about similar to exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and you know, just the higher standard of living too.
Speaker 7: Food is pretty expensive, Like I'll spend three hundred bucks
Speaker 7: a week on groceries for two people, because like food's
Speaker 7: just mental.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so where and do you feel like it's
Speaker 2: the cost of living in total and everything is better
Speaker 2: in Boston?
Speaker 7: Oh heck, yeah, this is one of the most expensive
Speaker 7: cities I've ever lived in.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say the only more more expensive city
Speaker 7: was Vancouver.
Speaker 1: Like Coop's nice.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh wicked, nice, but expensive to live unless you
Speaker 7: make decent, decent money.
Speaker 2: All right, So tell me about you personally. So you
Speaker 2: moved here five years ago. Did you come here alone? No?
Speaker 7: I followed a girl here that I barely knew. I
Speaker 7: met her and uh, she was moving to New Zealand.
Speaker 7: She was English girl. We met outside of Boston and
Speaker 7: she was moving to New Zealand in about four months.
Speaker 7: And she asked me if I wanted to come, and
Speaker 7: I said, fuck, yeah, why not?
Speaker 1: Did you have like you met her outside of like
Speaker 1: what at a bar?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: So she was working at like an office like full time,
Speaker 7: and her mom encouraged her to like go meet people,
Speaker 7: So go work in a bar like one night a week,
Speaker 7: and I was working there and we hit it off
Speaker 7: really well.
Speaker 5: And yeah, just followed her here, And.
Speaker 1: How long do you know her before you followed her there?
Speaker 7: Like five months, so you need to have her like
Speaker 7: eight months total before we moved here. And how old
Speaker 7: are you, uh, twenty two, twenty three?
Speaker 1: Did you have really anything?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny because that sounds like a rash decision,
Speaker 2: but in like, did you have any fucking thing else
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 7: Like's what's the worst that could happen? Yeah, I came
Speaker 7: for a work holiday for one year. If that sucked, whatever,
Speaker 7: I'll go back to America. I really liked it. Halfway
Speaker 7: through that second year, COVID kind was popping off. Seemed,
Speaker 7: you know, kind of ideal to stay here, so I
Speaker 7: did and then been here, you know, five years now.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting with decisions like that of like, you know,
Speaker 2: cause I've talked I've talked to a lot of people
Speaker 2: on my podcast who are like, you know, me and
Speaker 2: my like who want to make some kind of like
Speaker 2: big life decision in the name of like a relationship,
Speaker 2: and it's like normal normally I think that's a very
Speaker 2: bad idea. But in your case, where it's like where
Speaker 2: you know, where you're like, Okay, if I follow this
Speaker 2: girl to New Zealand and she except with me on
Speaker 2: the spot. It's like I still went to a foreign
Speaker 2: country and got out of my comfort zone and did
Speaker 2: things that are of my own personal growth and development.
Speaker 7: Yeah exactly, And I think because I'm young, that's more beneficial.
Speaker 2: Like you didn't like leave behind a like a career
Speaker 2: that you were investing in or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll give you a bad story.
Speaker 7: So one of my friends, his aunt moved to Singapore
Speaker 7: to be with her husband with their two kids, like
Speaker 7: sold their house in America, like, moved to Singapore, got
Speaker 7: onto the airport, and the husband was like, yeah, I'm divorcing.
Speaker 7: This is my new wife and child thanks to the
Speaker 7: house and putting the money in my account, like enjoy
Speaker 7: Singapore and then just left her. And so like when
Speaker 7: you have kids, or if you're older, like yeah, there
Speaker 7: might be more of that kind of thought between, like
Speaker 7: there's a lot more to think about, right, But when
Speaker 7: you're you know, mid twenties, Like, again, what's the worst
Speaker 7: that could happen? I lose a kidney in a foreign country.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I didn't bring up but yeah, there
Speaker 2: is the chance of you know them, you know stealing
Speaker 2: your kidney and shit.
Speaker 7: Yeahah, but you get that experience when you're going a
Speaker 7: tender day in like la or something too, you know
Speaker 7: what I mean. So I guess as long as you
Speaker 7: kind of look at like failure is not really like
Speaker 7: as an option as something that you learn from. I
Speaker 7: really don't think you can have bad experiences like that
Speaker 7: just with the relationships.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Did you how how long were
Speaker 1: you with this girl?
Speaker 5: Like three and or half years? Almost four? Okay?
Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, so you the relationship ran aside? If
Speaker 2: she didn't break up with you on the spot?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, so like people just grow apart.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like you know, it wasn't like anything, like we
Speaker 7: just became like different people after a while, which is
Speaker 7: you know, that just happens. And I think every relationship
Speaker 7: serves a purpose even if it like ends, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 7: I do miss her and we occasionally talk, but like
Speaker 7: it's better for us to not be in a relationship.
Speaker 5: For both of us.
Speaker 1: Where what do you do now for work?
Speaker 7: So until about two months ago, I was running a
Speaker 7: member's only bar uptown and now I do data management
Speaker 7: for a construction company.
Speaker 1: Are you happy?
Speaker 5: I mean not really, is anyone really happy?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I was talking to last guy, yeah, and
Speaker 2: he said, yes, is anyone really happy?
Speaker 1: That's a good question, does anyone really happy?
Speaker 5: I think you can be content.
Speaker 7: I think you can be content with the life you
Speaker 7: have with you know, having roof of your head and
Speaker 7: having food and stuff like that. But I think happiness
Speaker 7: comes from like a lot deeper of a level than
Speaker 7: having that filled. I think that comes from like fulfillment
Speaker 7: in your personal life, like outside of feeling like Maslow's
Speaker 7: hierarchy of needs like safety.
Speaker 5: And security and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: I think you get into a much different perspective on
Speaker 7: what like happiness actually is once again, once you filled
Speaker 7: that base tire. And I think that's kind of like
Speaker 7: where I'm at now, trying to like learn from my
Speaker 7: failures and learn like as a human being of like
Speaker 7: what I can do better and what I've done wrong?
Speaker 2: And so do you have an idea of what would
Speaker 2: make you happy? What would get you to that point?
Speaker 7: I mean, to be honest with you, I think that
Speaker 7: really comes to like to really knowing if you've caused
Speaker 7: more suffering than you've alleviated. I think that would be
Speaker 7: or the other way around, You've alleviated more suffering in
Speaker 7: the world than caused. I think that is ultimately what
Speaker 7: brings about the true form of happiness. But I think
Speaker 7: that is really hard for you to ever decipher on
Speaker 7: your own, and that's why people find, you know, religion
Speaker 7: or veganism or whatever you want to do. So I
Speaker 7: think that's kind of how my perspective on that is.
Speaker 1: Are you actively unhappy?
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't want to kill myself, but I
Speaker 7: also like, you know what I mean, but like what,
Speaker 7: like what is happiness? Happiness is like, you know, never
Speaker 7: being sad, but I feel like never having rainy days
Speaker 7: means sunshine isn't necessarily as nice.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes and I was just I was just unloading on
Speaker 2: the other guy about this. Sometimes I'm like, like I
Speaker 2: have a I have a general anxiety and like I
Speaker 2: don't want to like general like there's a there's a something,
Speaker 2: there's and there's there's a some Oh man, i'm doing
Speaker 2: green stuff.
Speaker 1: I look like we.
Speaker 2: I'm happy now I'm feeling good and that's well, all right,
Speaker 2: it's gone. There's a general I don't know what it is,
Speaker 2: like direness, yeah, like it's not and it's not and
Speaker 2: it's again, it's not like I want to kill myself thing, but.
Speaker 1: It's like there's a weird direness.
Speaker 7: I think that's because we're stuck in this rat wheel,
Speaker 7: like you know what I mean, Like there's just there's
Speaker 7: no realists. There's so much slave wageness and stuff like that,
Speaker 7: like if if you want to be self sustainable, you
Speaker 7: need to be a farmer and work incredibly hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so hello.
Speaker 2: But it's weird because even though I'm like, I'm very
Speaker 2: grateful and lucky enough to get to like to be
Speaker 2: a fucking stupid gecko for a living like I still
Speaker 2: have every day, there's like a weird direness which I
Speaker 2: don't I whish. I feel like I might not, like
Speaker 2: like if I were like a nor like if I
Speaker 2: were like a dude working in like an office and
Speaker 2: like had like a wife, and like if I lived
Speaker 2: like a very traditional life. Part of me feels like
Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel as diary because you know, you meet
Speaker 2: these guys, you meet folks who are you who you
Speaker 2: kind of feel like are like like they eat healthy
Speaker 2: and wake up early and go to their job and
Speaker 2: have their family, like who seem like they have like
Speaker 2: a normal life that's making them happy, and then there's
Speaker 2: probably a lot of people who live lives like that
Speaker 2: that are not happy.
Speaker 7: Well, I would say that why is the divorce rate
Speaker 7: so high and you know, suicide rate for like men
Speaker 7: in their thirties and forties or so high. If that's
Speaker 7: kind of the case, I think a lot of that
Speaker 7: is just filling the void. It's the same thing for
Speaker 7: like going to the gym a lot, if that's your
Speaker 7: chronic thing, or drugs or alcohol, Like everybody just kind
Speaker 7: of fills that void inside of them. And some people
Speaker 7: feel it with like work and family, and I think
Speaker 7: that's healthier than like, you know, fucking shooting a heroine
Speaker 7: every day. But on the inverse, though, there's still that
Speaker 7: void that people are filling. And I think that's kind
Speaker 7: of like what you know, Buddhist teachings kind of like
Speaker 7: prophesizes and philosophies as kind of that whole like internal
Speaker 7: monologue on what is and what is not?
Speaker 1: Is it anything? I'd like to believe ideally.
Speaker 2: That that whatever happiness is, it's something I uh, like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're talking about the massle higher hies. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'd like to believe that my happiness could be achieved
Speaker 2: totally of my sell, like I don't need anything, Like
Speaker 2: it's just like I could be naked on the beach
Speaker 2: with no family or friends yep, no, no, nothing and
Speaker 2: just be like I don't know, like the But but
Speaker 2: that's probably not true.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think about.
Speaker 7: Human beings are all connected into like one sense in
Speaker 7: some regard. So I think that not saying it's selfish,
Speaker 7: but that kind of like independent happiness I don't really
Speaker 7: think extends past like the individual, because you don't live
Speaker 7: as like a hermit in the woods.
Speaker 5: You live in society.
Speaker 7: And so if you're doing really well and everybody you
Speaker 7: walk by is you know, starving and dying, then are
Speaker 7: you really going to be like, well, my day is great, like.
Speaker 1: I guess well.
Speaker 2: The reason I like well, the reason I'd like to
Speaker 2: feel that way is because I'm very big on what
Speaker 2: you can and cannot control, agreed, And I can only
Speaker 2: I can't control things, and I can't control I can't
Speaker 2: control things outside of myself, And so if I leave
Speaker 2: my happiness up to things I cannot control, I'm fucked.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I think you leave a lot of things
Speaker 7: up to like what you can't control. And I think
Speaker 7: some of it is just accepting that and not like
Speaker 7: accepting things that you can't control and like learning to
Speaker 7: deal with them, making the best out of a bad
Speaker 7: situation or making the most out of a good one.
Speaker 7: I think if you, if you always live in like
Speaker 7: your own personal seat of happiness, when you have these
Speaker 7: like really good experiences and good days, you won't view
Speaker 7: them for what they are. You'll view them as just
Speaker 7: like another good day. There's an interesting like quote from
Speaker 7: a book that's, like the problem with dark days is
Speaker 7: you think you're always in the darkness one of the
Speaker 7: good days, it's hard to see the light. And I
Speaker 7: think that's kind of how people view when they're too
Speaker 7: content with life or too safe. And that's one of
Speaker 7: the problems in like Western society to an extent, is
Speaker 7: people's maslows hierarchies are so filled that they're looking for
Speaker 7: external happiness in the wrong ways. They're looking to fill
Speaker 7: the void with ramp and drugs and alcohol or sex.
Speaker 7: I mean, hey, I've done that shit, so I kind
Speaker 7: of like, you know, I'm speaking from experience, yeah, man,
Speaker 7: But like you know, it's the same thing for the
Speaker 7: jobs some people get lucky and they find like a
Speaker 7: career path that like really sticks for them, and some
Speaker 7: people like retire without really knowing what they wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So, and it's the same thing with life. People on
Speaker 7: their death better are like, oh, I wish I'd done
Speaker 7: this differently, or I wish I would have done this.
Speaker 7: But also people while they're living live with regrets and
Speaker 7: also have to live with them and move past them.
Speaker 1: Here's my thing.
Speaker 2: All I care about is that I try it. Trying
Speaker 2: is like trying is within my control, you know, because
Speaker 2: like all right, because you're talking about like if like
Speaker 2: you're all happy, but ever people aren't around you are
Speaker 2: people around you aren't happy. But it's like if you
Speaker 2: if you then think to yourself, I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: what's within my control to try. You're never gonna be
Speaker 2: able to make another person happy or make another person
Speaker 2: feel any way, shape or form or anything.
Speaker 1: But you can try.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if yet tried, then that was you fulfilling
Speaker 2: the thing that was within your control.
Speaker 7: I completely agree, And I think that's one of the
Speaker 7: biggest things in life, is just like to try to
Speaker 7: try everything. I've had thirty eight different jobs, I like
Speaker 7: to travel, like to meet people. And I wouldn't say
Speaker 7: anything I've ever had as a failure, even though I've
Speaker 7: been fired like twenty two times. But you know, like
Speaker 7: I don't. I don't think life is about not trying.
Speaker 7: I think it's about trying everything.
Speaker 1: What's next for you?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: So you're working in the corporate thingy right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's next? What's next on your journey?
Speaker 7: So ideally I'd like to find somebody who'll give me
Speaker 7: funding for a startup farm idea for self contained hydroponic
Speaker 7: farms inside of shipping containers and repurpose office buildings.
Speaker 2: I hope that somebody who knows what the fuck that
Speaker 2: is gives you money for it.
Speaker 7: No, I just think that, like one of the things
Speaker 7: that I could probably achieve in my lifetime is helping
Speaker 7: with like food scarcity and stuff like that. I feel
Speaker 7: like that's pretty attainable because you know, food is so
Speaker 7: mismanaged in this world. There's so much waste and stuff
Speaker 7: like that. I find it strange that poverty is the
Speaker 7: leading cause of obesity and starvation.
Speaker 1: Poverty is the leading cars of obesity and starvasion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't that strange?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, I will I think is it I feel
Speaker 2: it's I feel like it is cheaper to eat shitty
Speaker 2: than to eat healthy.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, perfect.
Speaker 7: So in New Zealand, KFC, like family bucket with like
Speaker 7: this two sides and the drink and stuff is like
Speaker 7: fifty four dollars. If you were to make like spaghetti
Speaker 7: and meatballs for your family of five, that would be
Speaker 7: like seventy five bucks. If you put like veggies in
Speaker 7: it and had meat and like you know, pasta and
Speaker 7: red sauce and stuff like that be seventy five.
Speaker 1: I actually know what.
Speaker 2: No, I'm actually thinking about this more. It might because
Speaker 2: listen as a guy yeap who eats a lot of
Speaker 2: fucking fast food yep, and like I'm always eating out
Speaker 2: and shit, I've actually I feel like it's I don't
Speaker 2: know you'd have this is a I don't know why
Speaker 2: I'm even in speculating about this thing, because it's an
Speaker 2: objective thing with numbers.
Speaker 1: But whatever, I hope you. I also I hope you
Speaker 1: cure world hunger.
Speaker 7: I don't want to care, and I just want to
Speaker 7: alleviate some pressure. I'll pop one pimple, but I don't
Speaker 7: want to cure all the acne. What's your name again,
Speaker 7: I'm Jake, Jake. Very nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: Ask me anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, live with the appropriate amount of fear. There is
Speaker 7: a level that's too much and there's not enough. So
Speaker 7: live with the appropriate amount of fear.
Speaker 1: N Nice to meet Jake. Nice to meet you, Jake.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sitting down and chat with men.
Speaker 5: I appreciate enjoy the rest of your time traveling.
Speaker 1: Of course, man, you take care. We did it.
Speaker 2: We're trying. Gave me some stuff to think about. I've
Speaker 2: been I've been these today. The theme of today was
Speaker 2: other people giving me gecko therapy. That was the theme
Speaker 2: of today.
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
Speaker 2: Maybe gecko therapy is not when a gecko gives you therapy,
Speaker 2: but it's therapy that is achieved by dressing up as
Speaker 2: a gecko and then talking to people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a see man, My mind is blown
Speaker 1: by that. Hey, folks, it's Lyle again.
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed being out in the great universe
Speaker 2: of Uckland, New Zealand. If you enjoyed it and you
Speaker 2: want to see more IRL interviews or listen to even
Speaker 2: more interviews that I did on the streets of New Zealand.
Speaker 2: You can find the link to the full video in
Speaker 2: this episode description. And with that, let's go talk to
Speaker 2: a caller named Raydon about living more for himself.
Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 6: Hello, Hi, it Lyle. Oh my god, it's the Lizard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who is this?
Speaker 4: This is Raiden?
Speaker 1: Raiden? What's up rating? What's going on with you.
Speaker 6: In bed right now? I'm kind of cleaning my.
Speaker 1: Room sort of.
Speaker 2: I sort of meant in more of a general sense
Speaker 2: in terms of, you know what it is you wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about on the phone.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, Yeah. So in like the past podcast you posted,
Speaker 6: there was someone who talked about leaving the life behind
Speaker 6: and kind of like running away to different like state
Speaker 6: mm hm. And I've also been seeing your videos where
Speaker 6: you go to different countries. It's on a whim and
Speaker 6: it's been very inspiring.
Speaker 1: Good good tell me tell me more so.
Speaker 6: So, I'm I'm a very like unconfrontational person.
Speaker 4: I don't have very good boundaries, and I I've had
Speaker 4: like a lot of the same friends for like my
Speaker 4: my like entire high school experience, and I've never set
Speaker 4: like great boundaries with them, So I find myself like
Speaker 4: excusing their behavior and taking responsibility for them, like kind
Speaker 4: of taking care of blat.
Speaker 6: Of people in my life. And I'm kind of at
Speaker 6: a cross from that crossroads, I guess, but like on
Speaker 6: and off, I'll just wonder if I could just like
Speaker 6: dip out entirely.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into this. Uh, give me an example.
Speaker 2: You said that you're you've been taking care of your
Speaker 2: friends and not setting boundaries.
Speaker 1: That can I hear an example of something?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So you know, I have very like interconnected friend groups,
Speaker 6: and people don't get along a lot, and I find
Speaker 6: myself constantly like mediating for people, Okay, And I'm constantly
Speaker 6: trying to be like the voice of reason, and and
Speaker 6: I'm I'm like neglecting my my own because you know,
Speaker 6: I can, I have like logic out situations for people,
Speaker 6: and then I don't get to feel it myself.
Speaker 1: All right, what give me? Give me a specific example
Speaker 1: if you can.
Speaker 6: Mediate, I mean frequently, there's like one instance where okakay,
Speaker 6: so I try to combine to friend groups, which it
Speaker 6: never goes well, it's never do it if you can,
Speaker 6: And I introduce my friend's boyfriend to like my longtime friends, okay,
Speaker 6: and we we preface the situation because he's just like
Speaker 6: he's kind of goofy, and my friend doesn't take well
Speaker 6: to like people pushing boundaries.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Okah was respectable, but we preface the situation with that
Speaker 6: he might do something weird, and so he pressed his
Speaker 6: We were getting gas and I was sitting in the
Speaker 6: back seat of the car and she was sitting in
Speaker 6: the passenger seat. And he got out with my friend
Speaker 6: filling his gas tank and he pressed his ass, his
Speaker 6: bare ass against the window. I'm against my window, okay,
Speaker 6: And I had to I had to, Like I didn't
Speaker 6: necessarily defend him, but I had to like explain to
Speaker 6: her like like that was just like that's how he is,
Speaker 6: you know, And I, like I had to immediate the situation.
Speaker 1: Okay, So.
Speaker 2: You're bringing up Can I be honest with you, This
Speaker 2: is funny, but you're bringing up like two separate You're
Speaker 2: bringing up like all these different variables that, in my eyes,
Speaker 2: have nothing to do with each other.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing. You You are in no wayship.
Speaker 2: You're not responsible for mediating you like you've given yourself
Speaker 2: this weird management job of your friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you feel very responsible. Why what the fuck you.
Speaker 1: It says you're nineteen. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't know, because I think it stems from I
Speaker 6: feel like this, this is going to come off wrong,
Speaker 6: but I feel like emotionally intelligent, okay, and I I
Speaker 6: kind of just when I see I see things not working,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, Okay, I get help.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you actually think you can help?
Speaker 6: I feel like I do. And that's the thing that's
Speaker 6: the problem, because then people come to rely on.
Speaker 5: Me.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: I feel like people have like like historically have like
Speaker 6: taken advantage of my historically, but like in my path
Speaker 6: have taken advantage of that. And I'm kind of just
Speaker 6: at a point where it's like, I think it'd be
Speaker 6: silly if I just like left everything.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean this, There's there's so much going on
Speaker 2: here that I'm trying to think about trying to connect
Speaker 2: friend groups. You're trying to be the voice of reason.
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess.
Speaker 2: What I can't get over is why do you feel
Speaker 2: this like compulsion to do this?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I have this like dire need to feel like wanted,
Speaker 6: I guess, and I like I feel like I need
Speaker 6: to make a place like sil Roll because that maybe
Speaker 6: I feel like there's not enough of me here to
Speaker 6: like be wanted, so I feel like I have to
Speaker 6: like take care of people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I'm like an eldest child, so I'm like.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: You have this desire, you have this desire to be
Speaker 2: the mom of the group because it gives you some
Speaker 2: role to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's fair. I have that. Well, here's
Speaker 1: the thing the.
Speaker 2: Groups has the group asked for you to be the mom? No, okay,
Speaker 2: then don't do it. I don't like tell people what
Speaker 2: to do, but I'm gonna tell you what to do.
Speaker 1: Don't do it. Stop stop what you're doing.
Speaker 3: I I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like this because you're not responsible for any
Speaker 2: of this, and you're certainly not responsible for it if
Speaker 2: it's at your own. You're doing a thing that nobody
Speaker 2: asked you to do, that you don't even like doing.
Speaker 2: Why are you doing it? What is this?
Speaker 1: What have you mentally trapped yourself in for no reason?
Speaker 1: Abandoned you? Know?
Speaker 6: That's that's very true.
Speaker 2: And I think go have friends, hang out with hang
Speaker 2: out with butt in window guy. And if butt and
Speaker 2: window guy gets himself into trouble for putting his button
Speaker 2: is the window. He can handle that. He doesn't need
Speaker 2: you to translate. He doesn't, Your friend doesn't. Your friends
Speaker 2: don't need you to translate them for you for them.
Speaker 2: Your friends don't need you translating them. They can just exist.
Speaker 2: And if somebody and if your friends has a problem
Speaker 2: with butt and the window friends, she can deal with
Speaker 2: it and he can deal with her having a problem
Speaker 2: with it. You don't have to do any of this, Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't have to do it. Nobody asks you to
Speaker 2: do this, and you don't have to do this. You
Speaker 2: want to fulfill that, you want to if you want
Speaker 2: to have a role to fulfill, give yourself a better one.
Speaker 2: Lots of roles that can be fulilled. Give yourself a
Speaker 2: better one than this thing.
Speaker 6: It's kind of like when like, you know, everyone's like
Speaker 6: around each other and I feel like I need to
Speaker 6: like also bring the mood up to I'd like be
Speaker 6: like a gesture of sorts.
Speaker 1: Nah fuck that.
Speaker 2: Nah. Listen, here's the thing. If you're hanging out with
Speaker 2: a bunch of people and things are awkward, I mean,
Speaker 2: go ahead and improve the vibe for you.
Speaker 1: If you're like.
Speaker 2: Talking to someone or in a group of people and
Speaker 2: the vibe is off, and you want to improve it
Speaker 2: just for the sake of whatever, and go do that,
Speaker 2: but don't do it out of some Oh it's my
Speaker 2: responsibility to make sure that.
Speaker 1: Everything vibes. You're gonna kill yourself doing that.
Speaker 6: You know that makes that makes sense?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: So you want to go off to random places and
Speaker 2: have silly little adventures.
Speaker 6: So I am. I'm I'm in like my like local
Speaker 6: music scene a little bit, and I have like, eventually
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have opportunities to like I kind of want
Speaker 6: to try and like tour with the bands, like follow
Speaker 6: them and the idea of like not not telling anyone
Speaker 6: and just like going up to like the East Coast
Speaker 6: for like two weeks at a time and just going
Speaker 6: am I A And you know, I like living more
Speaker 6: genuinely If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, that does make sense.
Speaker 2: Uh. I like that. You should totally do it. Please,
Speaker 2: please do it. I really want you to, because you're not.
Speaker 2: You're dying slowly and you're only even college. What's your
Speaker 2: deal with that?
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 6: I I just finished my first semester like a couple
Speaker 6: weeks ago, and I'm not going next semester because I
Speaker 6: was like, this is awful because I work for I
Speaker 6: work too, and I'm paying for my own college. So
Speaker 6: I'm like, if I'm not paying full attention, I'm wasting
Speaker 6: double the time because I'm working for the money to
Speaker 6: pay for college.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 1: What do you what were you in college for?
Speaker 6: So I wanted to do a computer science so I
Speaker 6: could eventually get into like game development, and then my
Speaker 6: my advisors didn't know how to place me, and that
Speaker 6: got really frustrating. And then I was like, this is
Speaker 6: this really what I want to do? Or is this
Speaker 6: me like trying to cope with like getting a nine
Speaker 6: to five and trying to find the funnest nine to
Speaker 6: five I can get, like it is truly what I
Speaker 6: want to do. And I thought about it and.
Speaker 1: Not, really, God, you want you want to get into
Speaker 1: game design?
Speaker 6: That was kind of me huffing copium though I didn't
Speaker 6: like it was like the funnest nine to five I
Speaker 6: could think of, but it wasn't. It's not what I want.
Speaker 5: To do, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Okay, so what do you want to do? Let's start there.
Speaker 6: I mean, like, I love, like I want to work
Speaker 6: somewhere in music. But I also just love like, like,
Speaker 6: I want to be like a bartender. I just want
Speaker 6: to be like storied.
Speaker 1: You want to be storied? What is it what I.
Speaker 6: Want to I like? I want to be like I
Speaker 6: want to live through a lot, like not in a
Speaker 6: bad way, but I want to see a lot. Okay,
Speaker 6: and I want to talk to a lot of people.
Speaker 6: I like talking to people.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, okay, all right, we got something here,
Speaker 2: we got something. Well, there's a lot of things you
Speaker 2: can do to do that. There's a lot of things
Speaker 2: you can do to do that. You can go on
Speaker 2: you can go on workaway dot com. You can find
Speaker 2: people who are willing to give them serious you go
Speaker 2: find people who can or then to give you a
Speaker 2: bed in exchange for teaching their children math.
Speaker 1: You don't even have to know math. You can just
Speaker 1: pretend like you do their children.
Speaker 6: I could teach kids the wrong way to do it.
Speaker 2: You could, and again they won't know, and their parents
Speaker 2: they won't know because their children. So you can teach
Speaker 2: children math wrong. That's an option for you.
Speaker 6: I am.
Speaker 2: That's a great idea that I will listen. I I
Speaker 2: like your general direction because you're only nineteen. That's what
Speaker 2: I want to do too. We want to do the
Speaker 2: same thing. I'm I'm I'm also worried.
Speaker 1: How I'm going to keep making money doing that? That's
Speaker 1: what I want to do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because it's like, you know, am I like trying
Speaker 6: to find ways to fund my life?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 6: Is that inherently like me trying to create some dis
Speaker 6: genuous like purpose or I'm like distracting myself from what
Speaker 6: I'm I want to actually do?
Speaker 2: Hold on, what do you want to actually do? You
Speaker 2: just told me what you want to ask you? Well,
Speaker 2: how is this a distraction?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: No, no, like like like like the like the game
Speaker 6: design thing.
Speaker 1: Oh do you care about games?
Speaker 6: I like games, but it's not like what I want
Speaker 6: to do with my life.
Speaker 3: That was the.
Speaker 2: Way I stop. Stop stop stop going to college?
Speaker 1: What am I doing?
Speaker 2: What? Don't tell people to stop going I mean, now
Speaker 2: you know what, you know what? Stop going to college.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what to do. I have my
Speaker 2: whole show.
Speaker 1: I don't pop what to do.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, don't go. I'm going to tell people what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna start telling people what
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: This is a new guy. This is twenty twenty. Twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three is the year that therapy get go. Just
Speaker 1: lose this.
Speaker 2: I will lose all of my restraint. I've practiced the
Speaker 2: restraint and not telling people what to do and now
Speaker 2: law and I'm getting rid of it and I'm telling
Speaker 2: everyone what to do. Now I'm telling you what to do.
Speaker 6: Don't He's great.
Speaker 2: Don't spend a bunch of money because here's what the
Speaker 2: thing you're working, you're saving money.
Speaker 1: It's a great thing to do.
Speaker 2: Keep doing that because you can spend the money that
Speaker 2: you were gonna spend.
Speaker 1: I mean, you should get some skills and yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Like, I like just like knowing a lot of stuff.
Speaker 6: Like I want to I want to be able to
Speaker 6: like make drinks and I want to build, like cook,
Speaker 6: but I also want to be able to play music
Speaker 6: and I want to just be like a jack of
Speaker 6: all trades, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: But you can do all that shit on YouTube. Don't
Speaker 2: pay money to learn how to do game design.
Speaker 1: Go on YouTube. Do you know a guy named Toby Fox?
Speaker 1: You know who that Toby Fox?
Speaker 2: Toby. I don't know what his background did, what's his background?
Speaker 2: Did he go to college? Guy makes some funk in college.
Speaker 2: I think he makes video games and his mom's but
Speaker 2: he made a whole video game.
Speaker 1: They just did it. You can make video games. Go
Speaker 1: make a video game. You don't need to give a college.
Speaker 1: You need to give.
Speaker 2: Colleges are run by Like what does a sixty year
Speaker 2: old man know about making video games?
Speaker 1: You're gonna pay exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't don't go to college. Don't do that. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, you're not going to go to college and
Speaker 2: you want to explore the universe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And.
Speaker 6: Just like just like get some because I'm trying to
Speaker 6: like get to greater understanding.
Speaker 3: How much money?
Speaker 1: How much money do you have? Do you have any money?
Speaker 6: I have?
Speaker 3: So I don't.
Speaker 6: I have around like three thousand dollars right now because
Speaker 6: I'm paying off college still my first time at home.
Speaker 2: How much whole time? How much debt do you have with? Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, I.
Speaker 1: Want to get paid off now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get paid off. I'm just paying off an
Speaker 6: increment so I don't have to spend a huge time
Speaker 6: of my money.
Speaker 1: Okay, you see shillings, you're you're you. That's easy. And
Speaker 1: your dodge, that's a good thing.
Speaker 6: I have that I have very low commitment to things
Speaker 6: right now. So it's like I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: What. All right, so you've eight hundred dollars left of
Speaker 2: debt and you said you're what are you going full
Speaker 2: time in doing?
Speaker 6: I work at a sandwich shop.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say the name, but okay, how's
Speaker 4: it going at the sandwich shop?
Speaker 6: I want a shift lead and I think people are
Speaker 6: going to be leaving soon, so I might try and
Speaker 6: leverage that into more pay.
Speaker 1: How's it going? In general? Is the job like? Is
Speaker 1: the job?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: You know? Is it toiling upon you? It?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: It's serving its purpose right now? I think where like,
Speaker 6: I'm making money and I'm not like, I don't want
Speaker 6: to die while I do it. I'm not like, I'm
Speaker 6: not like joyous, Yeah while I'm putting let us in
Speaker 6: your sandwich, but I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1: Like but it doesn't make you want to.
Speaker 6: Die freak out? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right? Okay, all right? And then your your debt
Speaker 1: is gonna get is not that bad? And then do
Speaker 1: you live? Where do you live? Do you live with
Speaker 1: your parents? I live in Illinois?
Speaker 6: I live in I love my parents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, it's sick, all right, save up. Here's
Speaker 2: here's what I would do I think if I were ill. Well,
Speaker 2: you said you want to be a bartender?
Speaker 6: Yeah, just like that just seems fun. It seems like
Speaker 6: I don't know, I can be like this cool.
Speaker 1: Go Have you ever made drinks before or done anything
Speaker 1: or done any of that.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm nineteen, so whatever we get our hands
Speaker 6: on is usually the vibe.
Speaker 2: You know, I forgot I forgot you, all right, So
Speaker 2: you still have two years before you can even do that.
Speaker 2: Here's what I would think, what I would do to
Speaker 2: tell please, I want to hear more of your dreams.
Speaker 6: I want to try and do comedy at some point too. Okay,
Speaker 6: I enjoy it. I enjoyed making people laugh.
Speaker 1: Comedy is fine. Comedy school I liked.
Speaker 2: I liked comedy because it was this is just it
Speaker 2: was a great way to make friends. I mean a
Speaker 2: lot of good friends and had a lot of h
Speaker 2: fun memories from doing comedy. And and now and now
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't do comedy anymore, but I do
Speaker 2: my Little Gecko Tours, which is like my version of that.
Speaker 2: And that's a that's a lot of fun. It's a
Speaker 2: good way to do the thing that you're talking about. So, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about you. All right, the sandwich
Speaker 2: job is serving its purpose. You got three thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: you don't have any debt, you live with your parents. Okay,
Speaker 2: keep saving up money. Well, let me tell you. Let
Speaker 2: me ask you this question.
Speaker 1: Where do you want to go?
Speaker 2: Like, all right, you want to go see the world
Speaker 2: and do crazy things. Where do you want to go
Speaker 2: the most?
Speaker 1: Right now? What's what's the number? What is number one
Speaker 1: on the bucket list of places?
Speaker 6: I mean, I think right now, it might just be
Speaker 6: like I have family in Colorado, so I could go there.
Speaker 6: I have I have a friend that I might be
Speaker 6: moving out to Portland soon and I might just follow him.
Speaker 1: Oh so you gonna you want to move?
Speaker 6: I temp maybe temporarily, just like just get away from
Speaker 6: the Midwest for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Do you think?
Speaker 2: Is how easy is it to find a job? What
Speaker 2: can the sandwich shop transfer you? Is it?
Speaker 1: Chain?
Speaker 6: I you know what I'll have to ask because I
Speaker 6: probably probably could soon. Okay, Yeah, I mean I'm just
Speaker 6: just going full time now, so I probably could figure
Speaker 6: something out if I wanted to.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I think your idea of saving up money and going
Speaker 2: on adventures when you can, and then when you run
Speaker 2: out of money, you return to another place and get
Speaker 2: a bartending gig there and make some money and then
Speaker 2: go on another adventure.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I've talked to a lot of people that have successfully
Speaker 2: done that.
Speaker 1: I think you can do that too.
Speaker 2: And you need to stop pretending to be the mom
Speaker 2: of the friend group. That's not going to get you
Speaker 2: to it's not even get you remotely close to any
Speaker 2: of these things that you've talked about, So please stop
Speaker 2: doing that. I will don't go to college, make sandwiches
Speaker 2: and look old ladies in the face and say hello
Speaker 2: to them. You have a good Yeah, you'll be fine.
Speaker 2: We're both gonna be fine. That's what I'm learning over
Speaker 2: the course of this guy.
Speaker 6: We're gonna do We're gonna do great things.
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate that. I appreciate that I'm in this
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 2: I love you, Lyle Hey, stay stay clean, raiding, don't
Speaker 2: do any hard drugs.
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm straight edge.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good to hear. All Right, I'll talk to
Speaker 1: you soon. Raydon. Good luck to you, you too.
Speaker 6: Good luck.
Speaker 2: Week goes on the line, making your phone calls every
Speaker 2: night every week, and goes to what was teaching you
Speaker 2: loudmy Life.
Speaker 3: He's not really an expert.