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Speaker 2: This podcast was recorded on the streets of Uckland, New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. What's your name, bro?

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Speaker 3: My name is Dylan. Dylan.

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Speaker 1: Nice to meet you, man.

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Speaker 3: Nice to me, mister Geko.

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Speaker 1: Do you live here in Uckland?

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Speaker 3: I do? Yeah, yeah?

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Speaker 1: Tell me about Auckland? What what is?

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Speaker 2: What is a guy come into the city who didn't

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Speaker 1: What should he know?

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Speaker 3: Stay away from downtown late nights, like anywhere post three

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Speaker 2: Do you like living here?

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Speaker 3: I do? I do. I've lived here my whole life

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Speaker 2: Hey, man, I didn't come to Auckland to waddle in

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Speaker 1: How do you have fun these days?

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Speaker 3: Play card games. We're a big fan of magic togethering.

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Speaker 2: But you were walking with someone who seemed who seems

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Speaker 1: How'd you guys meet?

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Speaker 1: Do you do you desire to have more friends? No?

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Speaker 2: What's your what's your goal in life? What are you

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Speaker 2: What's what's next for you? I want to get out

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Speaker 2: So as an American, like especially like every like younger Americans,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got we got the we got the Old

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's important thing. Yeah, yeah, who's the president? Who's

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Speaker 3: Because it was Jacinda and it recently changed to No,

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Speaker 3: it's not Luxembourg. It's no chrisph Luxburg. It's uh god.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember Christopher Luxen.

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Speaker 2: Christopher Luxeon's what what do you think? What do you

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Speaker 2: think is important?

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Speaker 1: To people here.

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Speaker 3: I think keeping the country beautiful has always been a

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Speaker 3: keep it healthy. Sporting women's football right now super important

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Speaker 1: The women's before right now is hot all over the place.

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Speaker 3: Huh. Chris Hepkins and Luxembourg like, yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 1: I want to test this out on you.

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Speaker 2: Somebody told me that everybody in Auckland knows somebody or

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Speaker 1: Was he do you know him?

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Speaker 1: He was he was a background character. Yeah yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: he really gets around them. Now. I asked, what do

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Speaker 3: Is the this is the health thing. It's it's difficult

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Speaker 1: Are you what's your poison?

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Speaker 3: Prob Burgers. Burgers is a big poison of manner. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: What do you mean now?

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Speaker 2: Like? What what's I guess? I'm like, I don't even

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't even know. Like what what's a

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Speaker 1: Okay, that seems healthy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, God, I don't know. I wouldn't call myself

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Speaker 3: I'm fucked. You're fucked. Yeah, yeah, you're probably fucked. Yeah

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Speaker 1: How's au Is everything okay in the head?

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Speaker 1: I think you seem you seem same, You seem.

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Speaker 1: Bro, me too. I'm going crazy all the time.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: No, I think everyone's a little I don't trust anyone

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Speaker 1: You gotta be a little bit like what the fuck?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, is going on or in your experience some

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Speaker 2: it's like, what the what the hell's wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: Just stopping at stop signs and.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely putting your email address in on websites and stuff.

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Speaker 1: You're just what are you doing? You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 3: No, I agree with you. I agree with you. Seeing

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Speaker 1: don't do nothing. Yeah, they don't do nothing?

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Speaker 1: Are you do you watch a lot of podcasts and.

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Speaker 3: and there. Yeah, very very claychhited man Joe Rogan. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's all, He's everywhere.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing. He's an amazing guy. He has as faults

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's watching. Joe Rogan watches every episode of the page.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no worries. I was checking when the card shop closer.

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Speaker 1: What were you selling people?

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Speaker 3: Selling people like an extension on their Sky packages, which

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Speaker 1: They almost always.

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Speaker 3: I finished that call and it's like, I'm a terrible person.

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Speaker 2: Now? Do you do you enjoy like the h the

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: genuine extra thing, not like, yeah, something that's expected.

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00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, like yeah, you've really shown up. Yeah yeah absolutely.

447
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 2: So do you think do you do you see yourself

448
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 2: transitioning out of bartending anytime soon to do anything else

449
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 2: or are you happy doing that?

450
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 3: I mean eventually eventually, I'm just about to crack thirty.

451
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 3: I've been bartending for the past like half a decade.

452
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 3: It's eventually had a point I feel where my body

453
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 3: won't be able to do the bartending thing anymore because.

454
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Speaker 1: It's late nights.

455
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 3: It's late nights. It's a lot of physical exertion. Yeah,

456
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 3: there's a lot of picking things up and putting them

457
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 3: down again. So I feel like my body won't be

458
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 3: able to do that for so long before. Yeah, for

459
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 3: it'll be time for a transition and then fuck, I

460
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 3: have no idea what's next?

461
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,719
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you? Are you happy?

462
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:54,640
Speaker 3: I'm happy? That's great, I'm happy. Are you think about

463
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 3: that one?

464
00:20:55,040 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 2: I'm grateful, But I'm not my dad might I'm pretty

465
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 2: I'm a very neurotic guy, So I'm pretty anxious day

466
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: to day about all sorts of things.

467
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 3: You're doing super well right now?

468
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 1: Thanks, Well, I'm having a good Well, Well that's you

469
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: know why why?

470
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: Well, that's because well, right now I'm here, I am

471
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: in the moments, talking to you and doing this, and

472
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: so I feel and that's the times when I feel

473
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 2: the most h not insane and anxious is when I'm

474
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Speaker 2: actually in the moments doing something.

475
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: You know what the flow state is?

476
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've actually seen a couple of videos about it.

477
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure They've talked.

478
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 2: About it on Rogan before, like like when you're actually

479
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 2: in the uh uh, in the flow and the flow

480
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 2: when you fussing, you're present, you're there and when you're

481
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: and that's the I think that's the happiest the person

482
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: can possibly be, is when they're just present. Because when

483
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: I what the things that make me unhappy are getting

484
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: anxious about the future, anxious about oh I forgot to

485
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: do this, or maybe I should be doing this or

486
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 2: that or the other thing, or am I going to

487
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: die because I eat too many hamber in red bulls?

488
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: Like uh, you know, when when my brain is in

489
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: the past or in the future, anywhere but right here.

490
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: But when I'm right here talking to you, I feel

491
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 2: I feel nice.

492
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: It all fades away away.

493
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 2: And I'm in Auckland. There's a guy staring at me

494
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: from that bus and waved.

495
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: But I'm here. I'm happy right in this very moment.

496
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: But uh, three hours from now, when I'm sitting in

497
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: my hotel room on my looking at Twitter, I'll probably

498
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: probably be sad again.

499
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean that's okay. You know, there's a

500
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 3: balance to everything. Is you can't always be mister happy Geka.

501
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: Sometimes there needs to be moments wheel like, you know, yeah,

502
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 3: say not so happy. I just yeah, it's gonna happen.

503
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know. I don't know. That's why

504
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: the whole thing is.

505
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: I don't trust anyone who's happy one hundred percent of

506
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Speaker 2: the time.

507
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: I'm always like, what's up with this guy? Everyone? Everyone?

508
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 1: I'm always like, there's everyone. I always feel like everyone has.

509
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: Something nice and a lot of time in the shower.

510
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: Those people, Oh my god, I have to every I

511
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: have never, I have every shower.

512
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: I sit down in the shower.

513
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: Yes, I do.

514
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 2: I sit down in everyone. I sit down in everyone.

515
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: I've never taken a shower. I haven't taken a shower

516
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 2: this year without sitting down.

517
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: Is that weird?

518
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: No, that's not weird. It's really nice. Sit still, what's

519
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: hitting you?

520
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: I also haven't taken one this year without pissing in

521
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: it as well?

522
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: Nice nice?

523
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: Is that weird?

524
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: No, that's not weird. That's not weird at all. I've

525
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 3: done the occasional piss in the shower. Time I don't

526
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 3: pissing the shower has been she's in the shower with me.

527
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 3: Then no pissing because of my head, you know, it's

528
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 3: so weird.

529
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Speaker 1: She looked at him and said, I appreciate it.

530
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 3: She did, no set die.

531
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: Well, what's your name again? I'm Dylan, Dylan Lyle.

532
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: Very nice to meet you, Very nice to meet Is

533
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: there anything else you want to say to the people

534
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: of the computer before we go?

535
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 3: If you're watching, Love You America. If you're watching you

536
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 3: need a new president New Zealand. If you're watching Stay

537
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: Green beautiful? Yeah, Oh, hey.

538
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: Where should I go?

539
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to what heat I I have? I have

540
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: to be at the airport in the evening tomorrow. But

541
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: I want to go on a day trip. Where should

542
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: I go? Where should I go to see some like?

543
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: I want to see some.

544
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: Like Lord of the Rings Ship. Where's a good place

545
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: for that.

546
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a cruise to Hobiton. Yeah, it'd

547
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 3: be a be a bit of a tough day trip.

548
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: They have a car. If you had a car, I got,

549
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: I got my I got my own.

550
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: I got Oh. I just have a bunch of these

551
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: Gecko costumes.

552
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 1: That's all that's in my possession right now.

553
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: It's just alternating gigo costumes. Yeah, it's a bit of

554
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: a mission to get to hobbiton if you wanted something

555
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: Lord of the rings base, what.

556
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: About what he?

557
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

558
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: Is that place cool?

559
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: I saw that on the on the tzip of your

560
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: tongue there before you before you ask me why he

561
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: would beautiful. If it's a nice day tomorrow, okay, and

562
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: you want to go to Wahiki, it's this beautiful spot.

563
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 3: It's called mud Brick and it's a vineyard over there.

564
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 3: It's not far from the Theory terminal as well, so

565
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 3: you get off Ferry terminal. It's like a ten minute

566
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 3: scooter if you hire a scooter or like a tim

567
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 3: minute uber or TEXTI. I don't know what they I

568
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: don't know if they do Uber's over there. But yeah,

569
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: i'd say go do mud breaking, go to one of

570
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: the beach.

571
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: That's my chances of like going missing.

572
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: On White Hickey. Yeah, like slim to none do.

573
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:22,719
Speaker 1: Missing.

574
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: No, No, you don't can go missing?

575
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: All right?

576
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: Well?

577
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I go missing.

578
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: Bro, you're next. If you want to have a jam,

579
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: you're next. All right, easy, easy.

580
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: I see my mom, dumb don't oh ship all right?

581
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: Come back?

582
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: All right there you go on to the next one.

583
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: Dylan.

584
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: Very nice to meet you, man, It's pleasure man. Thanks

585
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: coming I appreciate it.

586
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

587
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: Good.

588
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: What a journey, What a journey. It has been beautiful.

589
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: It's been nice. Dylan forever, laugh forever, awesome, all right,

590
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: take care brother, get Yeah, of course, of course the

591
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: wildlife photography dream has come true.

592
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: Wicked. Yea, it's fantastic. Thanks, thank you, man.

593
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: That was fun. I like talking to that guy.

594
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 7: Kiwi people are some of the most friendly in the world. Really,

595
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 7: that's for sure. Yeah, and you are from I'm American

596
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 7: from Boston, Massachusetts.

597
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: You're American for.

598
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: Boston, Massachusetts. And I'll say this at the beginning of

599
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: this and I cut it out, but there were several

600
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 2: there were a couple other Americans who wanted to have

601
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: a seat and talk, and I was like, what happens.

602
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: All the time?

603
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go, I'll go to a four I'll travel

604
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: all the way to a foreign country to interview people,

605
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: and the only people that want to talk to me

606
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: are Americans. But I feel like we got a nice, healthy,

607
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: we had some nice, healthy Kiwi conversations today. So we

608
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: can fit a yank in. What's your name, man, I'm Jake,

609
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: Jake missed to Mate. We met earlier and talked for

610
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: a little bit while I was setting up. But for

611
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: sure someone ask you a lot of the same.

612
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 5: That's fine, thanks, I repeat myself. You know, it's easier.

613
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: How's your life going, what's going on?

614
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 5: It's good.

615
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 7: I've lived in New Zealand about five years now and

616
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 7: it's a cool country. It's very relaxed, it's super easy

617
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 7: to live in. People are friendly. You know, there's really

618
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 7: no problems in it at all.

619
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Speaker 1: You say there's no problems.

620
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 7: Really, I mean everywhere's problems in the world, right of course,

621
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 7: but comparatively, it's safe to live in. You know, it's

622
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 7: it's hard to be like destitute in it's really like

623
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 7: low ceiling. But again there's a really low floor, but

624
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 7: there's a high ceiling at the same time, so it's

625
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 7: kind of complicated in that regard. But it's super easy

626
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 7: to live I've been here out through all of COVID

627
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 7: and that was way better than the States.

628
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: Why was it better here for COVID than in the States.

629
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 5: It was just handled in the way less aggressive way.

630
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 5: I think. O think it's just the population.

631
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 7: I think people are just less aggressive by nature, and

632
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 7: I think it was just handled in a much more

633
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 7: like communal way versus like US versus them way, and

634
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 7: America has become very much US versus them in the

635
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 7: past few years.

636
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: It's just strange interesting. Yeah, do you ever go back

637
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: to America?

638
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, I went back in November. It was the first

639
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 7: time I've been back in the States in like about

640
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 7: five years. It's good to like see family and stuff.

641
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 7: Went back for a wedding and things. But it changed

642
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 7: a whole lot. People again didn't seem as friendly as

643
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 7: I remember leaving it. And I think that just comes

644
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 7: down to there's a lot more like political division and

645
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 7: social division and economic division. And I just think that

646
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 7: like as perforated into society a lot stronger than it

647
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 7: maybe it used to be, or maybe I'm just older

648
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 7: and more aware now.

649
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: M you know, I was talking to somebody. I don't

650
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: know if New Zealand and Australia had similar deals, but

651
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 2: it's from from talking to people about how the COVID

652
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: was in Australia.

653
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: It seemed like it was more aggressive.

654
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: Well, I had somebody told me that when they had

655
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 2: they had COVID and a police officer like came to

656
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: their house, Yeah, and like made sure that they didn't

657
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: go out.

658
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, it definitely was way more fascist in that regard,

659
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 7: like the lockdowns happened and kind of being forced to

660
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 7: stay inside. But even outside of that, people were less aggressive.

661
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 7: Like in America when there was like mask mandates, there

662
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 7: was people like screaming at coffee shop workers for being like.

663
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well because it's funny because when he told

664
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: me that, I was like, dude, in America, people that

665
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: would not people people would have gotten fucking yes exactly,

666
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: because as I'm traveling more like and like us, everyone

667
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: knows like America is all about like, uh exactly, yeah, yeah,

668
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 2: which is why someone when I said he looked at

669
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Speaker 2: me and was like, well.

670
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 7: They're not gonna say anything here, yea. But yeah, I

671
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 7: just think it comes down to just how how people are.

672
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 7: This is a very like relaxed country. People are very chill.

673
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 7: It's you know, they don't really ask for a whole lot,

674
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 7: they don't really want a whole up, but they also

675
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 7: you know, are very much I don't know, I guess.

676
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 7: I guess America is just much more about like I

677
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 7: deserve so much and you should give that to me

678
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 7: orreas this country is more like I deserve what other

679
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 7: people deserve. There's a bit of tall poppy syndrome too,

680
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 7: like somebody else about, Yeah, if you do too much,

681
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 7: people really want to cut you down because they don't

682
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 7: want to see you excel because that means they have

683
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 7: to work harder.

684
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 5: I really think that's what it comes down.

685
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: To, the tall poppy syndrome here.

686
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody I was talking to somebody in Brisbane, Australia,

687
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: and they said the exact same thing.

688
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

689
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 7: I just think it comes down to, like, you know,

690
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 7: America as a country that like there's that mindset if

691
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 7: you work really hard, you get a whole lot. Yeah,

692
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 7: even though it's not true, and I don't think that

693
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 7: mindset is necessarily the same here. And that's you know

694
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 7: socialist healthcare as well, and you know government subsidies and

695
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 7: stuff like that.

696
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: Is there socialist health care here?

697
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

698
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 7: If you get into any kind of accident, you're totally fine,

699
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 7: So talking to you right now, And a car comes

700
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 7: and hits my leg and breaks it, totally covered by everything.

701
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 7: I don't pay anything for that.

702
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: Really.

703
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 5: They even pay me to like be out of work

704
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 5: for a few weeks, like to recover.

705
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: Is that is that an Australia thing too?

706
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 5: I think so. I think I've tried.

707
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: I talked to some people in Australia and they said

708
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: that they still have to like pay for healthcare, and I.

709
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 7: Mean, you still have to pay when you go see

710
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 7: like specialists, and you have to like go to like

711
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 7: pay a copey at the doctor and stuff like that.

712
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 7: But like calling an ablience isn't gonna be three K

713
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 7: out of pocket like it is in the States, which

714
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 7: is again awesome.

715
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: And do you get all that.

716
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 7: I mean, you're I mean you've been here for five years, right,

717
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 7: even if you're just traveling through the country, so you're

718
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 7: like in a car accident, they'll help take care of you.

719
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 7: They might charge you more than like a local, but

720
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Speaker 7: it won't be nearly as high as America.

721
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Speaker 1: Fascinating. Yeah, what else do you like here more than America?

722
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 5: I don't know.

723
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 7: The climate's pretty cool, Like there's not as much it's

724
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 7: not really hot, it's not really cold. It's pretty consistent.

725
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 7: This country is really small, so it's easy to like

726
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 7: travel domestically in, which was like beneficial during COVID because

727
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 7: kind of like the world was locked down for a

728
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 7: little bit. Yeah, but you know, are there is there

729
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 7: a train system there used to be but there's not anymore.

730
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 7: I think that just became like cars became like the

731
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 7: dominant sign of like the West, you know, they became

732
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 7: very much like the sign of individual freedom and.

733
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 5: Liberty, like in Fascinating.

734
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 7: Well, the people can take your house away, but it's

735
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 7: so hard to take your car away if you're in it.

736
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 7: Like they can come to your house and throw you

737
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 7: in handcuffs, but if you're moving your vehicle, how are

738
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 7: they gonna take it from you? And I think that's

739
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 7: just become like boo, yeah, and it's become like a

740
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 7: thing in America too, cities are designed for cars and

741
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 7: not pedestrians or trains or anything like that.

742
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: I know, it's such a bummer, man, it's such a bummer.

743
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: The whole uh, the whole city is a design for

744
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: I was I was thinking about this, like every American

745
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: city is. There's maybe like a tiny handful of New York, Chicago,

746
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: New York, Chicago, may be Philly.

747
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 7: Maybe Boston. But yeah, other than that, La is designed

748
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 7: fully for cars. Most of Texas is designed fully for cars.

749
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 7: I really can't think of any public infrastruction in US

750
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 7: that's like top tier besides maybe New York. But you

751
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 7: know that's two hundred years old at this point.

752
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: All right, now, any what do you like better about

753
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: America than New Zealand's?

754
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 7: Uh, the economy way stronger. It's you know, it's easier

755
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 7: to make money Like I would I was working as

756
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 7: a bartender back in like Boston. I would pull in like,

757
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 7: you know, twelve hundred bucks on like a Friday and

758
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 7: a Saturday night in cash. And that's like a weekly

759
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 7: pay here for a bartender. So it's good and bad

760
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 7: because there's less of that tipping culture, but there's also

761
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 7: more of there's just harder to make money. And housing

762
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 7: prices are ridiculous in rents insane?

763
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: How much do you pay for rent? So I'm one

764
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: of those How much do you pay for rent? Guys?

765
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: Now?

766
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: How much differ rent in New Zealand?

767
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 7: So I have a two bedroom that I share with

768
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 7: somebody and it's seven hundred and twenty dollars a week.

769
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: Seven hundred and twenty New Zealand dollars? Yeah, okay, so.

770
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 5: What's five forty I think American?

771
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: That's like New Zealand dollar is point is sixty two percent?

772
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, of correct, So what would it be? Okay? So

773
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: it's how much was the rent of.

774
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 5: Weekly seven seven thirty. So I think if you do.

775
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: Thirty divided by split seven thirty total split between you.

776
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: Two between two of us, So that's how much would

777
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: that be for you?

778
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 7: That's uh so what is that? Three fifty plus twenty

779
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 7: so like, uh three sixty five.

780
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: Three five about right?

781
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: Times point six two. Let's do I'm gonna do some math. Yeah,

782
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: let's do the math on this. I'm very I'm very

783
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: curious about this kind of thing.

784
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 7: I think when I last looked, it was like two

785
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 7: thousand New Zealand dollars was like one thousand, two hundred

786
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 7: American You pay what three.

787
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: Sixty five yeah times fifty two divided by twelve times

788
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: point six two.

789
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, a nine hundred and eighty American dollars

790
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: a month.

791
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: That sounds about right.

792
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds pretty standard to live in like a

793
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: big major city.

794
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

795
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 7: And again you know, like you know, pay us pretty well,

796
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 7: like minimum wages like twenty one dollars an hour.

797
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: New Zealand dollars.

798
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, which that seems that's about similar to exactly. Yeah,

799
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 7: and you know, just the higher standard of living too.

800
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 7: Food is pretty expensive, Like I'll spend three hundred bucks

801
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 7: a week on groceries for two people, because like food's

802
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 7: just mental.

803
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so where and do you feel like it's

804
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: the cost of living in total and everything is better

805
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: in Boston?

806
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 7: Oh heck, yeah, this is one of the most expensive

807
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 7: cities I've ever lived in.

808
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 3: Interesting.

809
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say the only more more expensive city

810
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 7: was Vancouver.

811
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: Like Coop's nice.

812
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh wicked, nice, but expensive to live unless you

813
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 7: make decent, decent money.

814
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: All right, So tell me about you personally. So you

815
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: moved here five years ago. Did you come here alone? No?

816
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 7: I followed a girl here that I barely knew. I

817
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 7: met her and uh, she was moving to New Zealand.

818
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 7: She was English girl. We met outside of Boston and

819
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 7: she was moving to New Zealand in about four months.

820
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 7: And she asked me if I wanted to come, and

821
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 7: I said, fuck, yeah, why not?

822
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: Did you have like you met her outside of like

823
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: what at a bar?

824
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

825
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

826
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 7: So she was working at like an office like full time,

827
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 7: and her mom encouraged her to like go meet people,

828
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 7: So go work in a bar like one night a week,

829
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 7: and I was working there and we hit it off

830
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 7: really well.

831
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 5: And yeah, just followed her here, And.

832
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: How long do you know her before you followed her there?

833
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 7: Like five months, so you need to have her like

834
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 7: eight months total before we moved here. And how old

835
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 7: are you, uh, twenty two, twenty three?

836
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: Did you have really anything?

837
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny because that sounds like a rash decision,

838
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: but in like, did you have any fucking thing else

839
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: going on?

840
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: Then?

841
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 7: Like's what's the worst that could happen? Yeah, I came

842
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 7: for a work holiday for one year. If that sucked, whatever,

843
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 7: I'll go back to America. I really liked it. Halfway

844
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 7: through that second year, COVID kind was popping off. Seemed,

845
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 7: you know, kind of ideal to stay here, so I

846
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 7: did and then been here, you know, five years now.

847
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting with decisions like that of like, you know,

848
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: cause I've talked I've talked to a lot of people

849
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: on my podcast who are like, you know, me and

850
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: my like who want to make some kind of like

851
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: big life decision in the name of like a relationship,

852
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: and it's like normal normally I think that's a very

853
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: bad idea. But in your case, where it's like where

854
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: you know, where you're like, Okay, if I follow this

855
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: girl to New Zealand and she except with me on

856
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: the spot. It's like I still went to a foreign

857
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: country and got out of my comfort zone and did

858
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: things that are of my own personal growth and development.

859
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 7: Yeah exactly, And I think because I'm young, that's more beneficial.

860
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: Like you didn't like leave behind a like a career

861
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: that you were investing in or anything like that.

862
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll give you a bad story.

863
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 7: So one of my friends, his aunt moved to Singapore

864
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 7: to be with her husband with their two kids, like

865
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 7: sold their house in America, like, moved to Singapore, got

866
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 7: onto the airport, and the husband was like, yeah, I'm divorcing.

867
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 7: This is my new wife and child thanks to the

868
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 7: house and putting the money in my account, like enjoy

869
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 7: Singapore and then just left her. And so like when

870
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 7: you have kids, or if you're older, like yeah, there

871
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 7: might be more of that kind of thought between, like

872
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 7: there's a lot more to think about, right, But when

873
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 7: you're you know, mid twenties, Like, again, what's the worst

874
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 7: that could happen? I lose a kidney in a foreign country.

875
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I didn't bring up but yeah, there

876
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 2: is the chance of you know them, you know stealing

877
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: your kidney and shit.

878
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 7: Yeahah, but you get that experience when you're going a

879
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 7: tender day in like la or something too, you know

880
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 7: what I mean. So I guess as long as you

881
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 7: kind of look at like failure is not really like

882
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 7: as an option as something that you learn from. I

883
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 7: really don't think you can have bad experiences like that

884
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 7: just with the relationships.

885
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Did you how how long were

886
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: you with this girl?

887
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 5: Like three and or half years? Almost four? Okay?

888
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, so you the relationship ran aside? If

889
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: she didn't break up with you on the spot?

890
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 5: No, no, no, so like people just grow apart.

891
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, like you know, it wasn't like anything, like we

892
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 7: just became like different people after a while, which is

893
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 7: you know, that just happens. And I think every relationship

894
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 7: serves a purpose even if it like ends, and you know, yeah,

895
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 7: I do miss her and we occasionally talk, but like

896
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 7: it's better for us to not be in a relationship.

897
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 5: For both of us.

898
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: Where what do you do now for work?

899
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 7: So until about two months ago, I was running a

900
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 7: member's only bar uptown and now I do data management

901
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 7: for a construction company.

902
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: Are you happy?

903
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 5: I mean not really, is anyone really happy?

904
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I was talking to last guy, yeah, and

905
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: he said, yes, is anyone really happy?

906
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: That's a good question, does anyone really happy?

907
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 5: I think you can be content.

908
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 7: I think you can be content with the life you

909
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 7: have with you know, having roof of your head and

910
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 7: having food and stuff like that. But I think happiness

911
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 7: comes from like a lot deeper of a level than

912
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 7: having that filled. I think that comes from like fulfillment

913
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 7: in your personal life, like outside of feeling like Maslow's

914
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 7: hierarchy of needs like safety.

915
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 5: And security and stuff like that.

916
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 7: I think you get into a much different perspective on

917
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 7: what like happiness actually is once again, once you filled

918
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 7: that base tire. And I think that's kind of like

919
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 7: where I'm at now, trying to like learn from my

920
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 7: failures and learn like as a human being of like

921
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 7: what I can do better and what I've done wrong?

922
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: And so do you have an idea of what would

923
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: make you happy? What would get you to that point?

924
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 7: I mean, to be honest with you, I think that

925
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 7: really comes to like to really knowing if you've caused

926
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 7: more suffering than you've alleviated. I think that would be

927
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 7: or the other way around, You've alleviated more suffering in

928
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 7: the world than caused. I think that is ultimately what

929
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 7: brings about the true form of happiness. But I think

930
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 7: that is really hard for you to ever decipher on

931
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 7: your own, and that's why people find, you know, religion

932
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 7: or veganism or whatever you want to do. So I

933
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 7: think that's kind of how my perspective on that is.

934
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: Are you actively unhappy?

935
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't want to kill myself, but I

936
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 7: also like, you know what I mean, but like what,

937
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 7: like what is happiness? Happiness is like, you know, never

938
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 7: being sad, but I feel like never having rainy days

939
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 7: means sunshine isn't necessarily as nice.

940
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

941
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: Sometimes and I was just I was just unloading on

942
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: the other guy about this. Sometimes I'm like, like I

943
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: have a I have a general anxiety and like I

944
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: don't want to like general like there's a there's a something,

945
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: there's and there's there's a some Oh man, i'm doing

946
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: green stuff.

947
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: I look like we.

948
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm happy now I'm feeling good and that's well, all right,

949
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: it's gone. There's a general I don't know what it is,

950
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: like direness, yeah, like it's not and it's not and

951
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: it's again, it's not like I want to kill myself thing, but.

952
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: It's like there's a weird direness.

953
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 7: I think that's because we're stuck in this rat wheel,

954
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 7: like you know what I mean, Like there's just there's

955
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 7: no realists. There's so much slave wageness and stuff like that,

956
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 7: like if if you want to be self sustainable, you

957
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 7: need to be a farmer and work incredibly hard.

958
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so hello.

959
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: But it's weird because even though I'm like, I'm very

960
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: grateful and lucky enough to get to like to be

961
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: a fucking stupid gecko for a living like I still

962
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: have every day, there's like a weird direness which I

963
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: don't I whish. I feel like I might not, like

964
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: like if I were like a nor like if I

965
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: were like a dude working in like an office and

966
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: like had like a wife, and like if I lived

967
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: like a very traditional life. Part of me feels like

968
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel as diary because you know, you meet

969
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: these guys, you meet folks who are you who you

970
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: kind of feel like are like like they eat healthy

971
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: and wake up early and go to their job and

972
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: have their family, like who seem like they have like

973
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: a normal life that's making them happy, and then there's

974
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: probably a lot of people who live lives like that

975
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: that are not happy.

976
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 7: Well, I would say that why is the divorce rate

977
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 7: so high and you know, suicide rate for like men

978
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 7: in their thirties and forties or so high. If that's

979
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 7: kind of the case, I think a lot of that

980
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 7: is just filling the void. It's the same thing for

981
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 7: like going to the gym a lot, if that's your

982
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 7: chronic thing, or drugs or alcohol, Like everybody just kind

983
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 7: of fills that void inside of them. And some people

984
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 7: feel it with like work and family, and I think

985
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 7: that's healthier than like, you know, fucking shooting a heroine

986
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 7: every day. But on the inverse, though, there's still that

987
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 7: void that people are filling. And I think that's kind

988
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 7: of like what you know, Buddhist teachings kind of like

989
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 7: prophesizes and philosophies as kind of that whole like internal

990
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 7: monologue on what is and what is not?

991
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: Is it anything? I'd like to believe ideally.

992
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: That that whatever happiness is, it's something I uh, like,

993
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: you know, you're talking about the massle higher hies. I'm like,

994
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 2: I'd like to believe that my happiness could be achieved

995
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: totally of my sell, like I don't need anything, Like

996
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: it's just like I could be naked on the beach

997
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: with no family or friends yep, no, no, nothing and

998
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: just be like I don't know, like the But but

999
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: that's probably not true.

1000
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I think about.

1001
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 7: Human beings are all connected into like one sense in

1002
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 7: some regard. So I think that not saying it's selfish,

1003
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 7: but that kind of like independent happiness I don't really

1004
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 7: think extends past like the individual, because you don't live

1005
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 7: as like a hermit in the woods.

1006
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 5: You live in society.

1007
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 7: And so if you're doing really well and everybody you

1008
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 7: walk by is you know, starving and dying, then are

1009
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 7: you really going to be like, well, my day is great, like.

1010
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: I guess well.

1011
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: The reason I like well, the reason I'd like to

1012
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: feel that way is because I'm very big on what

1013
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: you can and cannot control, agreed, And I can only

1014
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: I can't control things, and I can't control I can't

1015
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: control things outside of myself, And so if I leave

1016
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: my happiness up to things I cannot control, I'm fucked.

1017
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I think you leave a lot of things

1018
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 7: up to like what you can't control. And I think

1019
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 7: some of it is just accepting that and not like

1020
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 7: accepting things that you can't control and like learning to

1021
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 7: deal with them, making the best out of a bad

1022
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 7: situation or making the most out of a good one.

1023
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 7: I think if you, if you always live in like

1024
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 7: your own personal seat of happiness, when you have these

1025
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 7: like really good experiences and good days, you won't view

1026
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 7: them for what they are. You'll view them as just

1027
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 7: like another good day. There's an interesting like quote from

1028
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 7: a book that's, like the problem with dark days is

1029
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 7: you think you're always in the darkness one of the

1030
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 7: good days, it's hard to see the light. And I

1031
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 7: think that's kind of how people view when they're too

1032
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 7: content with life or too safe. And that's one of

1033
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 7: the problems in like Western society to an extent, is

1034
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 7: people's maslows hierarchies are so filled that they're looking for

1035
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 7: external happiness in the wrong ways. They're looking to fill

1036
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 7: the void with ramp and drugs and alcohol or sex.

1037
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 7: I mean, hey, I've done that shit, so I kind

1038
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 7: of like, you know, I'm speaking from experience, yeah, man,

1039
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 7: But like you know, it's the same thing for the

1040
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 7: jobs some people get lucky and they find like a

1041
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 7: career path that like really sticks for them, and some

1042
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 7: people like retire without really knowing what they wanted to do.

1043
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1044
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 7: So, and it's the same thing with life. People on

1045
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 7: their death better are like, oh, I wish I'd done

1046
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 7: this differently, or I wish I would have done this.

1047
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 7: But also people while they're living live with regrets and

1048
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 7: also have to live with them and move past them.

1049
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: Here's my thing.

1050
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: All I care about is that I try it. Trying

1051
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: is like trying is within my control, you know, because

1052
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: like all right, because you're talking about like if like

1053
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: you're all happy, but ever people aren't around you are

1054
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: people around you aren't happy. But it's like if you

1055
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: if you then think to yourself, I'm like, okay, well,

1056
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: what's within my control to try. You're never gonna be

1057
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: able to make another person happy or make another person

1058
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: feel any way, shape or form or anything.

1059
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: But you can try.

1060
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if yet tried, then that was you fulfilling

1061
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: the thing that was within your control.

1062
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 7: I completely agree, And I think that's one of the

1063
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 7: biggest things in life, is just like to try to

1064
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 7: try everything. I've had thirty eight different jobs, I like

1065
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 7: to travel, like to meet people. And I wouldn't say

1066
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 7: anything I've ever had as a failure, even though I've

1067
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 7: been fired like twenty two times. But you know, like

1068
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 7: I don't. I don't think life is about not trying.

1069
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 7: I think it's about trying everything.

1070
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: What's next for you?

1071
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: Man?

1072
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: So you're working in the corporate thingy right now? Yeah,

1073
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: what's next? What's next on your journey?

1074
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 7: So ideally I'd like to find somebody who'll give me

1075
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 7: funding for a startup farm idea for self contained hydroponic

1076
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 7: farms inside of shipping containers and repurpose office buildings.

1077
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: I hope that somebody who knows what the fuck that

1078
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: is gives you money for it.

1079
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 7: No, I just think that, like one of the things

1080
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 7: that I could probably achieve in my lifetime is helping

1081
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 7: with like food scarcity and stuff like that. I feel

1082
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 7: like that's pretty attainable because you know, food is so

1083
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 7: mismanaged in this world. There's so much waste and stuff

1084
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 7: like that. I find it strange that poverty is the

1085
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 7: leading cause of obesity and starvation.

1086
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: Poverty is the leading cars of obesity and starvasion.

1087
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't that strange?

1088
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1089
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: You know, I will I think is it I feel

1090
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: it's I feel like it is cheaper to eat shitty

1091
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: than to eat healthy.

1092
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, perfect.

1093
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 7: So in New Zealand, KFC, like family bucket with like

1094
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 7: this two sides and the drink and stuff is like

1095
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 7: fifty four dollars. If you were to make like spaghetti

1096
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 7: and meatballs for your family of five, that would be

1097
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 7: like seventy five bucks. If you put like veggies in

1098
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 7: it and had meat and like you know, pasta and

1099
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 7: red sauce and stuff like that be seventy five.

1100
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: I actually know what.

1101
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: No, I'm actually thinking about this more. It might because

1102
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: listen as a guy yeap who eats a lot of

1103
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 2: fucking fast food yep, and like I'm always eating out

1104
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 2: and shit, I've actually I feel like it's I don't

1105
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: know you'd have this is a I don't know why

1106
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm even in speculating about this thing, because it's an

1107
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: objective thing with numbers.

1108
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: But whatever, I hope you. I also I hope you

1109
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: cure world hunger.

1110
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 7: I don't want to care, and I just want to

1111
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 7: alleviate some pressure. I'll pop one pimple, but I don't

1112
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 7: want to cure all the acne. What's your name again,

1113
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 7: I'm Jake, Jake. Very nice to meet you.

1114
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: Ask me anything else you want to say to the

1115
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go.

1116
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, live with the appropriate amount of fear. There is

1117
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 7: a level that's too much and there's not enough. So

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00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 7: live with the appropriate amount of fear.

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00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: N Nice to meet Jake. Nice to meet you, Jake.

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00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: Thanks for sitting down and chat with men.

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00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 5: I appreciate enjoy the rest of your time traveling.

1122
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: Of course, man, you take care. We did it.

1123
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: We're trying. Gave me some stuff to think about. I've

1124
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: been I've been these today. The theme of today was

1125
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: other people giving me gecko therapy. That was the theme

1126
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: of today.

1127
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: Holy shit.

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00:46:54,080 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 2: Maybe gecko therapy is not when a gecko gives you therapy,

1129
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: but it's therapy that is achieved by dressing up as

1130
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: a gecko and then talking to people.

1131
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a see man, My mind is blown

1132
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: by that. Hey, folks, it's Lyle again.

1133
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed being out in the great universe

1134
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: of Uckland, New Zealand. If you enjoyed it and you

1135
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: want to see more IRL interviews or listen to even

1136
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: more interviews that I did on the streets of New Zealand.

1137
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: You can find the link to the full video in

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00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: this episode description. And with that, let's go talk to

1139
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: a caller named Raydon about living more for himself.

1140
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: Hello.

1141
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 6: Hello, Hi, it Lyle. Oh my god, it's the Lizard.

1142
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, who is this?

1143
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: This is Raiden?

1144
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Raiden? What's up rating? What's going on with you.

1145
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 6: In bed right now? I'm kind of cleaning my.

1146
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: Room sort of.

1147
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: I sort of meant in more of a general sense

1148
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 2: in terms of, you know what it is you wanted

1149
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: to talk about on the phone.

1150
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 6: Oh okay, Yeah. So in like the past podcast you posted,

1151
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 6: there was someone who talked about leaving the life behind

1152
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 6: and kind of like running away to different like state

1153
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 6: mm hm. And I've also been seeing your videos where

1154
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 6: you go to different countries. It's on a whim and

1155
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 6: it's been very inspiring.

1156
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: Good good tell me tell me more so.

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00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 6: So, I'm I'm a very like unconfrontational person.

1158
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: I don't have very good boundaries, and I I've had

1159
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: like a lot of the same friends for like my

1160
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 4: my like entire high school experience, and I've never set

1161
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 4: like great boundaries with them, So I find myself like

1162
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 4: excusing their behavior and taking responsibility for them, like kind

1163
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 4: of taking care of blat.

1164
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 6: Of people in my life. And I'm kind of at

1165
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 6: a cross from that crossroads, I guess, but like on

1166
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 6: and off, I'll just wonder if I could just like

1167
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 6: dip out entirely.

1168
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into this. Uh, give me an example.

1169
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: You said that you're you've been taking care of your

1170
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: friends and not setting boundaries.

1171
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: That can I hear an example of something?

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00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1173
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 6: So you know, I have very like interconnected friend groups,

1174
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 6: and people don't get along a lot, and I find

1175
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 6: myself constantly like mediating for people, Okay, And I'm constantly

1176
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 6: trying to be like the voice of reason, and and

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00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 6: I'm I'm like neglecting my my own because you know,

1178
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 6: I can, I have like logic out situations for people,

1179
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 6: and then I don't get to feel it myself.

1180
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: All right, what give me? Give me a specific example

1181
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: if you can.

1182
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 6: Mediate, I mean frequently, there's like one instance where okakay,

1183
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 6: so I try to combine to friend groups, which it

1184
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 6: never goes well, it's never do it if you can,

1185
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 6: And I introduce my friend's boyfriend to like my longtime friends, okay,

1186
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 6: and we we preface the situation because he's just like

1187
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 6: he's kind of goofy, and my friend doesn't take well

1188
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 6: to like people pushing boundaries.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 6: Okah was respectable, but we preface the situation with that

1191
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 6: he might do something weird, and so he pressed his

1192
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 6: We were getting gas and I was sitting in the

1193
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 6: back seat of the car and she was sitting in

1194
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 6: the passenger seat. And he got out with my friend

1195
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 6: filling his gas tank and he pressed his ass, his

1196
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 6: bare ass against the window. I'm against my window, okay,

1197
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 6: And I had to I had to, Like I didn't

1198
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 6: necessarily defend him, but I had to like explain to

1199
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 6: her like like that was just like that's how he is,

1200
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 6: you know, And I, like I had to immediate the situation.

1201
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: Okay, So.

1202
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: You're bringing up Can I be honest with you, This

1203
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 2: is funny, but you're bringing up like two separate You're

1204
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: bringing up like all these different variables that, in my eyes,

1205
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: have nothing to do with each other.

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00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing. You You are in no wayship.

1207
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: You're not responsible for mediating you like you've given yourself

1208
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: this weird management job of your friends.

1209
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you feel very responsible. Why what the fuck you.

1210
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: It says you're nineteen. I don't.

1211
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:25,479
Speaker 3: I don't.

1212
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 6: I don't know, because I think it stems from I

1213
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 6: feel like this, this is going to come off wrong,

1214
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 6: but I feel like emotionally intelligent, okay, and I I

1215
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 6: kind of just when I see I see things not working,

1216
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 6: and I'm like, Okay, I get help.

1217
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: Okay, do you actually think you can help?

1218
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 6: I feel like I do. And that's the thing that's

1219
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 6: the problem, because then people come to rely on.

1220
00:52:58,600 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 5: Me.

1221
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: Okay.

1222
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 6: I feel like people have like like historically have like

1223
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 6: taken advantage of my historically, but like in my path

1224
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 6: have taken advantage of that. And I'm kind of just

1225
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 6: at a point where it's like, I think it'd be

1226
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 6: silly if I just like left everything.

1227
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean this, There's there's so much going on

1228
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 2: here that I'm trying to think about trying to connect

1229
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,479
Speaker 2: friend groups. You're trying to be the voice of reason.

1230
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess.

1231
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: What I can't get over is why do you feel

1232
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: this like compulsion to do this?

1233
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1234
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 6: I have this like dire need to feel like wanted,

1235
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 6: I guess, and I like I feel like I need

1236
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 6: to make a place like sil Roll because that maybe

1237
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 6: I feel like there's not enough of me here to

1238
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 6: like be wanted, so I feel like I have to

1239
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 6: like take care of people.

1240
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I'm like an eldest child, so I'm like.

1241
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: That makes sense.

1242
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: You have this desire, you have this desire to be

1243
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: the mom of the group because it gives you some

1244
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: role to me.

1245
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's fair. I have that. Well, here's

1246
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: the thing the.

1247
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 2: Groups has the group asked for you to be the mom? No, okay,

1248
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 2: then don't do it. I don't like tell people what

1249
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: to do, but I'm gonna tell you what to do.

1250
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: Don't do it. Stop stop what you're doing.

1251
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: I I don't.

1252
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: I don't like this because you're not responsible for any

1253
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: of this, and you're certainly not responsible for it if

1254
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: it's at your own. You're doing a thing that nobody

1255
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: asked you to do, that you don't even like doing.

1256
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 2: Why are you doing it? What is this?

1257
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: What have you mentally trapped yourself in for no reason?

1258
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: Abandoned you? Know?

1259
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 6: That's that's very true.

1260
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: And I think go have friends, hang out with hang

1261
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: out with butt in window guy. And if butt and

1262
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: window guy gets himself into trouble for putting his button

1263
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 2: is the window. He can handle that. He doesn't need

1264
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: you to translate. He doesn't, Your friend doesn't. Your friends

1265
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: don't need you to translate them for you for them.

1266
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 2: Your friends don't need you translating them. They can just exist.

1267
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 2: And if somebody and if your friends has a problem

1268
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: with butt and the window friends, she can deal with

1269
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: it and he can deal with her having a problem

1270
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: with it. You don't have to do any of this, Okay,

1271
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: I don't have to do it. Nobody asks you to

1272
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: do this, and you don't have to do this. You

1273
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 2: want to fulfill that, you want to if you want

1274
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: to have a role to fulfill, give yourself a better one.

1275
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 2: Lots of roles that can be fulilled. Give yourself a

1276
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: better one than this thing.

1277
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 6: It's kind of like when like, you know, everyone's like

1278
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 6: around each other and I feel like I need to

1279
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 6: like also bring the mood up to I'd like be

1280
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 6: like a gesture of sorts.

1281
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: Nah fuck that.

1282
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: Nah. Listen, here's the thing. If you're hanging out with

1283
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: a bunch of people and things are awkward, I mean,

1284
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: go ahead and improve the vibe for you.

1285
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: If you're like.

1286
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: Talking to someone or in a group of people and

1287
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: the vibe is off, and you want to improve it

1288
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: just for the sake of whatever, and go do that,

1289
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: but don't do it out of some Oh it's my

1290
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: responsibility to make sure that.

1291
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: Everything vibes. You're gonna kill yourself doing that.

1292
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 6: You know that makes that makes sense?

1293
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: All right?

1294
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: So you want to go off to random places and

1295
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: have silly little adventures.

1296
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 6: So I am. I'm I'm in like my like local

1297
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 6: music scene a little bit, and I have like, eventually

1298
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have opportunities to like I kind of want

1299
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 6: to try and like tour with the bands, like follow

1300
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 6: them and the idea of like not not telling anyone

1301
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 6: and just like going up to like the East Coast

1302
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,959
Speaker 6: for like two weeks at a time and just going

1303
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 6: am I A And you know, I like living more

1304
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 6: genuinely If that makes sense.

1305
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: Yes, that does make sense.

1306
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: Uh. I like that. You should totally do it. Please,

1307
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: please do it. I really want you to, because you're not.

1308
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: You're dying slowly and you're only even college. What's your

1309
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: deal with that?

1310
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: What do you do?

1311
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: What do you do?

1312
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 6: I I just finished my first semester like a couple

1313
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 6: weeks ago, and I'm not going next semester because I

1314
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 6: was like, this is awful because I work for I

1315
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 6: work too, and I'm paying for my own college. So

1316
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 6: I'm like, if I'm not paying full attention, I'm wasting

1317
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 6: double the time because I'm working for the money to

1318
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 6: pay for college.

1319
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: And then.

1320
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: What do you what were you in college for?

1321
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 6: So I wanted to do a computer science so I

1322
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,959
Speaker 6: could eventually get into like game development, and then my

1323
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 6: my advisors didn't know how to place me, and that

1324
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 6: got really frustrating. And then I was like, this is

1325
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 6: this really what I want to do? Or is this

1326
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 6: me like trying to cope with like getting a nine

1327
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 6: to five and trying to find the funnest nine to

1328
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 6: five I can get, like it is truly what I

1329
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 6: want to do. And I thought about it and.

1330
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: Not, really, God, you want you want to get into

1331
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: game design?

1332
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 6: That was kind of me huffing copium though I didn't

1333
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 6: like it was like the funnest nine to five I

1334
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 6: could think of, but it wasn't. It's not what I want.

1335
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 5: To do, you know what I mean?

1336
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so what do you want to do? Let's start there.

1337
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 6: I mean, like, I love, like I want to work

1338
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 6: somewhere in music. But I also just love like, like,

1339
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 6: I want to be like a bartender. I just want

1340
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 6: to be like storied.

1341
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: You want to be storied? What is it what I.

1342
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 6: Want to I like? I want to be like I

1343
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 6: want to live through a lot, like not in a

1344
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 6: bad way, but I want to see a lot. Okay,

1345
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 6: and I want to talk to a lot of people.

1346
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 6: I like talking to people.

1347
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, okay, all right, we got something here,

1348
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: we got something. Well, there's a lot of things you

1349
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: can do to do that. There's a lot of things

1350
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: you can do to do that. You can go on

1351
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: you can go on workaway dot com. You can find

1352
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: people who are willing to give them serious you go

1353
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: find people who can or then to give you a

1354
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: bed in exchange for teaching their children math.

1355
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: You don't even have to know math. You can just

1356
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: pretend like you do their children.

1357
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 6: I could teach kids the wrong way to do it.

1358
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: You could, and again they won't know, and their parents

1359
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: they won't know because their children. So you can teach

1360
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: children math wrong. That's an option for you.

1361
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 6: I am.

1362
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: That's a great idea that I will listen. I I

1363
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: like your general direction because you're only nineteen. That's what

1364
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: I want to do too. We want to do the

1365
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: same thing. I'm I'm I'm also worried.

1366
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: How I'm going to keep making money doing that? That's

1367
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: what I want to do.

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01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, because it's like, you know, am I like trying

1369
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 6: to find ways to fund my life?

1370
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: Is that?

1371
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 6: Is that inherently like me trying to create some dis

1372
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 6: genuous like purpose or I'm like distracting myself from what

1373
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 6: I'm I want to actually do?

1374
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: Hold on, what do you want to actually do? You

1375
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: just told me what you want to ask you? Well,

1376
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: how is this a distraction?

1377
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 5: No?

1378
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 6: No, no, like like like like the like the game

1379
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 6: design thing.

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01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: Oh do you care about games?

1381
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 6: I like games, but it's not like what I want

1382
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 6: to do with my life.

1383
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 3: That was the.

1384
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: Way I stop. Stop stop stop going to college?

1385
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: What am I doing?

1386
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: What? Don't tell people to stop going I mean, now

1387
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: you know what, you know what? Stop going to college.

1388
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what to do. I have my

1389
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: whole show.

1390
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't pop what to do.

1391
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: Okay, good, don't go. I'm going to tell people what

1392
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna start telling people what

1393
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: to do.

1394
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: This is a new guy. This is twenty twenty. Twenty

1395
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: twenty three is the year that therapy get go. Just

1396
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: lose this.

1397
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: I will lose all of my restraint. I've practiced the

1398
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: restraint and not telling people what to do and now

1399
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: law and I'm getting rid of it and I'm telling

1400
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: everyone what to do. Now I'm telling you what to do.

1401
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 6: Don't He's great.

1402
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: Don't spend a bunch of money because here's what the

1403
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: thing you're working, you're saving money.

1404
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: It's a great thing to do.

1405
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 2: Keep doing that because you can spend the money that

1406
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: you were gonna spend.

1407
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you should get some skills and yeah, I.

1408
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 6: Like, I like just like knowing a lot of stuff.

1409
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 6: Like I want to I want to be able to

1410
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 6: like make drinks and I want to build, like cook,

1411
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 6: but I also want to be able to play music

1412
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 6: and I want to just be like a jack of

1413
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 6: all trades, if that makes sense.

1414
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: But you can do all that shit on YouTube. Don't

1415
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: pay money to learn how to do game design.

1416
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: Go on YouTube. Do you know a guy named Toby Fox?

1417
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: You know who that Toby Fox?

1418
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: Toby. I don't know what his background did, what's his background?

1419
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: Did he go to college? Guy makes some funk in college.

1420
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: I think he makes video games and his mom's but

1421
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 2: he made a whole video game.

1422
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: They just did it. You can make video games. Go

1423
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: make a video game. You don't need to give a college.

1424
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: You need to give.

1425
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: Colleges are run by Like what does a sixty year

1426
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: old man know about making video games?

1427
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna pay exactly.

1428
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't don't go to college. Don't do that. Okay,

1429
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: all right, you're not going to go to college and

1430
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: you want to explore the universe.

1431
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And.

1432
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 6: Just like just like get some because I'm trying to

1433
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 6: like get to greater understanding.

1434
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 3: How much money?

1435
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: How much money do you have? Do you have any money?

1436
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 6: I have?

1437
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 3: So I don't.

1438
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 6: I have around like three thousand dollars right now because

1439
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 6: I'm paying off college still my first time at home.

1440
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 2: How much whole time? How much debt do you have with? Okay,

1441
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: all right, I.

1442
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: Want to get paid off now.

1443
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get paid off. I'm just paying off an

1444
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 6: increment so I don't have to spend a huge time

1445
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 6: of my money.

1446
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you see shillings, you're you're you. That's easy. And

1447
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: your dodge, that's a good thing.

1448
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 6: I have that I have very low commitment to things

1449
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 6: right now. So it's like I'm trying to figure out.

1450
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: What. All right, so you've eight hundred dollars left of

1451
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: debt and you said you're what are you going full

1452
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 2: time in doing?

1453
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 6: I work at a sandwich shop.

1454
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say the name, but okay, how's

1455
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 4: it going at the sandwich shop?

1456
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 6: I want a shift lead and I think people are

1457
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 6: going to be leaving soon, so I might try and

1458
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 6: leverage that into more pay.

1459
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: How's it going? In general? Is the job like? Is

1460
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: the job?

1461
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: Uh?

1462
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: You know? Is it toiling upon you? It?

1463
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 2: You know?

1464
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 6: It's serving its purpose right now? I think where like,

1465
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 6: I'm making money and I'm not like, I don't want

1466
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 6: to die while I do it. I'm not like, I'm

1467
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 6: not like joyous, Yeah while I'm putting let us in

1468
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 6: your sandwich, but I'm not gonna.

1469
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: Like but it doesn't make you want to.

1470
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 6: Die freak out? Yeah?

1471
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: All right? Okay, all right? And then your your debt

1472
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: is gonna get is not that bad? And then do

1473
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: you live? Where do you live? Do you live with

1474
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: your parents? I live in Illinois?

1475
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 6: I live in I love my parents.

1476
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, it's sick, all right, save up. Here's

1477
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: here's what I would do I think if I were ill. Well,

1478
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 2: you said you want to be a bartender?

1479
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, just like that just seems fun. It seems like

1480
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 6: I don't know, I can be like this cool.

1481
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: Go Have you ever made drinks before or done anything

1482
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: or done any of that.

1483
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm nineteen, so whatever we get our hands

1484
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 6: on is usually the vibe.

1485
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: You know, I forgot I forgot you, all right, So

1486
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: you still have two years before you can even do that.

1487
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 2: Here's what I would think, what I would do to

1488
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: tell please, I want to hear more of your dreams.

1489
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 6: I want to try and do comedy at some point too. Okay,

1490
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,479
Speaker 6: I enjoy it. I enjoyed making people laugh.

1491
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: Comedy is fine. Comedy school I liked.

1492
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: I liked comedy because it was this is just it

1493
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: was a great way to make friends. I mean a

1494
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: lot of good friends and had a lot of h

1495
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 2: fun memories from doing comedy. And and now and now

1496
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't do comedy anymore, but I do

1497
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: my Little Gecko Tours, which is like my version of that.

1498
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: And that's a that's a lot of fun. It's a

1499
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 2: good way to do the thing that you're talking about. So, okay,

1500
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about you. All right, the sandwich

1501
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 2: job is serving its purpose. You got three thousand dollars,

1502
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: you don't have any debt, you live with your parents. Okay,

1503
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: keep saving up money. Well, let me tell you. Let

1504
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: me ask you this question.

1505
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: Where do you want to go?

1506
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: Like, all right, you want to go see the world

1507
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: and do crazy things. Where do you want to go

1508
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 2: the most?

1509
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: Right now? What's what's the number? What is number one

1510
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: on the bucket list of places?

1511
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 6: I mean, I think right now, it might just be

1512
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 6: like I have family in Colorado, so I could go there.

1513
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 6: I have I have a friend that I might be

1514
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 6: moving out to Portland soon and I might just follow him.

1515
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: Oh so you gonna you want to move?

1516
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 6: I temp maybe temporarily, just like just get away from

1517
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 6: the Midwest for a little bit.

1518
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: Do you think?

1519
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: Is how easy is it to find a job? What

1520
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 2: can the sandwich shop transfer you? Is it?

1521
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: Chain?

1522
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 6: I you know what I'll have to ask because I

1523
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 6: probably probably could soon. Okay, Yeah, I mean I'm just

1524
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 6: just going full time now, so I probably could figure

1525
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 6: something out if I wanted to.

1526
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: I think.

1527
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: I think your idea of saving up money and going

1528
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 2: on adventures when you can, and then when you run

1529
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 2: out of money, you return to another place and get

1530
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: a bartending gig there and make some money and then

1531
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: go on another adventure.

1532
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: I like that.

1533
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 2: I've talked to a lot of people that have successfully

1534
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 2: done that.

1535
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 1: I think you can do that too.

1536
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: And you need to stop pretending to be the mom

1537
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: of the friend group. That's not going to get you

1538
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: to it's not even get you remotely close to any

1539
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: of these things that you've talked about, So please stop

1540
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: doing that. I will don't go to college, make sandwiches

1541
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 2: and look old ladies in the face and say hello

1542
01:08:55,640 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: to them. You have a good Yeah, you'll be fine.

1543
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: We're both gonna be fine. That's what I'm learning over

1544
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 2: the course of this guy.

1545
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 6: We're gonna do We're gonna do great things.

1546
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate that. I appreciate that I'm in this

1547
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: with you.

1548
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: I love you, Lyle Hey, stay stay clean, raiding, don't

1549
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: do any hard drugs.

1550
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm straight edge.

1551
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good to hear. All Right, I'll talk to

1552
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: you soon. Raydon. Good luck to you, you too.

1553
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 6: Good luck.

1554
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 2: Week goes on the line, making your phone calls every

1555
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 2: night every week, and goes to what was teaching you

1556
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 2: loudmy Life.

1557
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,879
Speaker 3: He's not really an expert.