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Speaker 3: All right, good Friday and morning, welcome to a Counterpoints

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Speaker 3: takeover of this Friday show. Just some programming notes stick

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Speaker 3: good stuff. You know, we give so much of this

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Speaker 3: And so we're going to have Matt Stoller and James

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Speaker 3: about the definition of oligarchy, James Lee doing an interview

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Speaker 3: with a former layman trader about the private equity bubble,

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Speaker 3: and give us another you know, two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 3: the back half of the show about the latest developments

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Speaker 3: in Israel and wanted to talk about one piece of

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Speaker 3: pick more of that up. Actually, a producer, Mac who

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Speaker 3: Besilol Smotrich, the Finance Minister, Israel's finance minister, gave a

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Speaker 3: is now because he has won this batattle deliberately targeting

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Speaker 3: That is a crime against humanity. It's against international law.

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Speaker 4: of these Friday shows. Usually it's more of a party

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Speaker 4: Even everything you just said, the fact that it's happening

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Speaker 4: But it is all happening at once, and everyone give

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Speaker 4: I moved yesterday and had all kinds of tech fun

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Speaker 3: Yeah, your computer's buses, So is it hard for you

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Speaker 4: Crying and it looks like because you're on an i boomer,

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Speaker 3: But this is truly a a a shocking level, brazed

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Speaker 6: Here on the dinner tonight, you mentioned this is not

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Speaker 6: you just explain how is this not the president using

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Speaker 7: All of the president's assets are in a blind trust

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Speaker 7: elected this president back to this office is because he

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Speaker 5: Did she say a blind trust managed by his j ok.

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Speaker 4: mean that they're managing the people who are handling the investments.

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Speaker 3: give us the money, give us your money, we'll manage

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Speaker 3: all their deals around the world, Like how does that?

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Speaker 3: How does that? How does that not make it worse?

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Speaker 3: not following this, this crypto dinner, if you what, in

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Speaker 3: a dinner. Quote. It's kind of a fundraiser for mister Trump,

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Speaker 3: Aniya there. So yeah, so they paid money to Trump

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Speaker 3: a fundraiser for Trump, not Trump's campaign, which is the

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Speaker 3: of bribery. Is there has anybody attempted a steel man

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Speaker 3: of why this is not just flagrant?

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Speaker 3: Oh, because it's a blind His money's in a blind.

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Speaker 4: On well, of when she was talking last week about

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Speaker 4: And I actually really think that's the only steel man

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Speaker 4: The tariffs, at least for a couple of weeks, he

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Speaker 4: because they were exceptional students and you know, got to

437
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Speaker 4: Harvard or wherever and the sake of their merit and

438
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 4: made incredible companies and careers in the United States because

439
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 4: they love the United States. And as we talk about,

440
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 4: often immigrants to the United States are often the best

441
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 4: Americans because they love.

442
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 5: The US so much.

443
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, they necessarily take it for granted in the way

444
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Speaker 4: because they come from places where you.

445
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Speaker 5: Don't have as much freedom, you don't have as much prosperity.

446
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Speaker 4: So I don't think it's wise to shut that off

447
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: completely because some of the most brilliant people from around

448
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: the world. In fact, it's a real benefit to the

449
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 4: United States that still today. If you are high achieving

450
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 4: in any other part of the world, you're not going

451
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Speaker 4: to Chinese universities. You're trying to go to Harvard and

452
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 4: Yale in Princeton wherever else, and actually even some of

453
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Speaker 4: our big.

454
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Speaker 5: Flagship state schools. So I think that's actually.

455
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Speaker 4: Creates a The United States becomes a magnet for the

456
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 4: best talent in the entire world. How we then integrate

457
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 4: that talent into the United States is another question. That

458
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: number twenty seven percent enrollment of foreign students at Harvard,

459
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Speaker 4: which is the pride of America's higher education system, seems

460
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Speaker 4: exorbitantly high. That seems like it is actually you know,

461
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 4: this is a publicly funded university funded by US taxpayers.

462
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 4: That seems like it probably is closing the door to

463
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 4: too many American students. So I think it makes sense

464
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 4: to have a conversation about that. On the other hand,

465
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 4: policy wise, this is another sort of creative attempt or

466
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 4: an attempt to create a new novel avenue to the

467
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 4: They're like bushwhacking their way to like screwing with elite institutions.

468
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Speaker 4: And I'm I have the letter in front of me

469
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Speaker 4: just to get what Christynoam is saying out there.

470
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Speaker 5: They are saying.

471
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Speaker 4: They sent a letter in April to Harvard where they quote,

472
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 4: requested records pertaining a non immigrant students enrolled at Harvard University,

473
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Speaker 4: including information regarding misconduct and other offenses that would render

474
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Speaker 4: foreign students inadmissible or removable. They said twice they got

475
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Speaker 4: insufficient response. They say, as a courtesy that Harvard was

476
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 4: not legally entitled to, DHS afforded them another opportunity to comply.

477
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 4: Harvard again provided an insufficient response, so.

478
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Speaker 3: Right, and they're asking for like five years.

479
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, within seventy two hours, they have like six demands

480
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 4: yeah that include that. And they also are saying that

481
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 4: this is under the auspices of a revocation of the

482
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Speaker 4: Student and Exchange Visitor program, which DHS apparently I didn't

483
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 4: know this, right, but DHS apparently administers. So that's why

484
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 4: it's coming from CHRISTINOAM and DHS, and it is part

485
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 4: of this administration wide effort to again like bush whack

486
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 4: their way through uncharted territory, to screw with elite institutions

487
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 4: via all kinds of different mechanisms, creative mechanisms. And so

488
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 4: as much as I want to screw with elite institutions,

489
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 4: it's just sounds completely silly. It doesn't seem entirely lawless.

490
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Speaker 4: They do admit the program, but it seems like, I mean,

491
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Speaker 4: it seems maybe silly is the best word. It seems

492
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Speaker 4: like kind of a joke, yea.

493
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Speaker 3: And yeah, in the sense that they are the law.

494
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 3: It's not lawless, but they're not citing any particular authority

495
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: that they have as the administers administrators of this program

496
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: to just kind of arbitrarily target them because they're not

497
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: turning over footage of protesters. It's like, what it's like,

498
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: get out of here, Like who are you? DHS? Like,

499
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: and I want I missed the the free speech right.

500
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: That would be like, wait a minute, you want the government.

501
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: The DHS wants a private institution to turn over five

502
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: years of video footage of speech, the.

503
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Speaker 4: Heavily funded private institution, a heavily tax payer funded private institution.

504
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Speaker 3: That's fine. Still, it's still we're all tax payer fund

505
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: on some level.

506
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Speaker 5: That's thing Obama.

507
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: You didn't build that, even if it's public, even if

508
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: it's public, even if they went to the University of

509
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: Michigan as for five years of footage of protests, like

510
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: it is First Amendment. The right to peaceably assemble right

511
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: there in the First Amendment, not just speech. Peaceful assembly

512
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: is right there in the Constitution. It's one of the

513
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: key things that we're so proud of that makes us

514
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: a free country. DHS demanding that and if they don't

515
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: turn it over, they're gonna basically try to destroy them

516
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: is just a fundamental threat to civil liberties in this country. Now,

517
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Speaker 3: everything I have said is an argument as an American

518
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Speaker 3: for the United States of America. I think for a

519
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: person in the world, you could argue, go ahead, good,

520
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: it's actually it will be better for the world. If

521
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: the United States commits suicide, it will be better for

522
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: these other countries. If the United States is not creating

523
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: a gravitational pull that creates this brain drain out of

524
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Speaker 3: all of these other countries. If the United States is

525
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: weaker and is interfering less in the democratic governance of

526
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: other countries, that's probably a good thing. Now for people

527
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: in the United States, their quality of life will go

528
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: way down. This country itself will spiral, but the rest

529
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: of the world may actually do better. So in that sense,

530
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Speaker 3: you know, I guess go ahead, Christine.

531
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Speaker 4: No, yeah, I mean, look that twenties again, twenty seven

532
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Speaker 4: percent just seems it's probably.

533
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Speaker 3: What although it's probably low, Like if you think about it,

534
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: if this is you know, there's three hundred million people

535
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: in the United States. There's eight nine billion around the world,

536
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: maybe ten all competing for spots in the best college,

537
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: and you American students are getting them. Somebody's putting yeah, I.

538
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Speaker 4: Mean the public learning of the institution is one hundred

539
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: percent of American but.

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Speaker 3: The yeah, right, but the private the far, and that's

541
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Speaker 3: what I was just going to say.

542
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was just it's it's I wonder

543
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Speaker 4: how much of that is actually merit and versus you know,

544
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 4: the rich chikhs, you know, buying their kids into Harvard

545
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: or wherever else. So it doesn't seem unreasonable to me

546
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 4: to have a conversation about that. Also, these schools do

547
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,719
Speaker 4: have legitimate problems with espionage that they kind of opened

548
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 4: in or welcomed in for a long time. They seem

549
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 4: like they're all kind of cracking down on it now,

550
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: but whether it's Cutter or China, there's been all kinds

551
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 4: of stuff happening at it's these igue institutions. It's hard

552
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 4: to tell whether this letter is specifically.

553
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the federal CHUDG has already blocked it.

554
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: Well that's why I think so when you said it's

555
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: a serious threat to higher education, it's like in I

556
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: look at that on paper and I'm like, yes, that's true.

557
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 5: But then I look in practice and I'm.

558
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I know some of these people. Spend time

559
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 4: with some of these people, and they're just trolling with

560
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff. And it's not funny if

561
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 4: you're Harvard but the only point that I would make

562
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 4: is just and again, this is it. It's controversial and

563
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: not entirely fair. But the only thing I would say is,

564
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Speaker 4: I don't know how serious they are about going through

565
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 4: with a lot of this stuff.

566
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Speaker 5: It doesn't it doesn't make it right. I just think

567
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 5: that they're they're throwing, like.

568
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 4: Jackson pollocking the whole administration, like they're throwing everything at

569
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 4: the wall and trying to make a beautiful portrait out

570
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: of their mess.

571
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 5: And yeah, it's it's It doesn't Again, it doesn't make

572
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 5: it right.

573
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that it's not gonna have implications, But

574
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: just to like explain it from their perspective and explain

575
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: why it doesn't feel like a grave threat to me

576
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: is partially just because I'm like, I don't think they're

577
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: going to go through with it. I think they're just

578
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: doing this to scare the universities and appliance with other

579
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 4: things that they are more serious about, and some of

580
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 4: those will be I mean, the endowment tax that's in

581
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: the big beautiful bill is significant. That actually is a

582
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: huge deal if you're Harvard or any of these schools.

583
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: So some of the stuff is completely serious. Some of

584
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: it feels like, Okay, we're you know, just creating these

585
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 4: funny like legal ideas that somebody came up with at

586
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: a happy hour and was like, hah, and this will

587
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: f with Harvard.

588
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 5: Let's see what happens.

589
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's let's talk briefly about this this father

590
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: in Mississippi. And I guess you can let me know

591
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: if the right is angry that I would that I

592
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: call him a Mississippi father, just like they're angry about

593
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: calling Braio Garcia Maryland.

594
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 5: Maryland that this is That was the Atlantic headline.

595
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: No, they hated, they hated Maryland father in particular. How

596
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: dare you humanize him? So I'll just read from this

597
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: this report. His father went to his This father went

598
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: to his citizenship hearing, expecting a handshake. Instead, Ice shackled him,

599
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: threw him into a van, and tore him away from

600
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: his pregnant wife and four children without even letting him

601
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: say goodbye. Casper Erickson arrived in Mississippi from Denmark in

602
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, fully documented and determined to build a life here.

603
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: He started a family, became part of his community, and

604
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: followed every rule. He was never accused, let alone convicted

605
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: of any crime, But as best we understand, he's now

606
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: in prison because of a single clerical mistake made years ago.

607
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen, Casper and his wife Savannah missed filing

608
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: one form among the hundreds acquired on the complicated path

609
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: to citizenship. Savannah had just suffered a still birth, losing

610
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: their first child. In the painful days that followed, paperwork

611
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: deadlines understandably slipped past unnoticed. Now over a month after

612
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: his arrest, Casper remains locked in a detention facility notorious

613
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: for cruelty, neglect, and abuse. Savannah, eight months pregnant, at

614
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: high risk, and terrified, is desperately pleading for her husband's return.

615
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: She and their children have no idea when or if

616
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 3: they'll ever see him again, and she doesn't know if

617
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 3: he'll be present for her child's birth. Every day brings

618
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: another nightmare. Under the Trump administration, actions of our government

619
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: are evil or simply no other way to describe it.

620
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: May God have mercy on all of us for allowing

621
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: this to happen. Here's the family, you know. This comes

622
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: at the same time that Ice is also denying Makmood

623
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: Khalil a contact visit with his want with his one

624
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: month old baby for for no reason, Like there's contact

625
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: visits are a thing that you can allow people who

626
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: are in detention. Khalil was arrested or blocked up a

627
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: month before his child was born, as he has not

628
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: seen his child since then. This one, you know, struck me.

629
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Speaker 3: You know, we also suffered a still born with our

630
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 3: with our first daughter and also now have four children.

631
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: And I can I can only imagine that. Of course,

632
00:35:54,239 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: you're missing paperwork amidst amidst the deepest grief that that

633
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: a human being can imagine losing a child, like there's

634
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: there's nothing deeper than that. Ah. And two to use

635
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: that to have a system that says you missed that deadline,

636
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: there's nothing we can do. We must put you in

637
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 3: this private prison for months on end as we work

638
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: to deport you to Denmark is like this. This guy

639
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 3: here described it as evil, and like, I'm hard pressed

640
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: to find a different.

641
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's the legal question in the ethical question,

642
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 4: and on the ethical question. One of the things that

643
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 4: bothers me about the.

644
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 5: Way, particularly.

645
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 4: We looked at like Venezuelan asylum seekers who ended up

646
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 4: in Seacott and we're legitimate asylum seekers like the barber

647
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 4: that we discussed by me about that is I feel

648
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: like the United States made a promise, and I feel

649
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: that about many of the asylum seekers who came under Biden.

650
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 4: It's one of the things that bothered me about the

651
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: Biden policy because I knew that at some point we

652
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: were going to break the promise, because it was unsustainable

653
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: to make those promises to so many different people that

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Speaker 4: you will have a fair asylum hearing and that if

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Speaker 4: you are and I know I'm just talking narrowly about

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Speaker 4: asylum here, but the point is that we do promise

657
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Speaker 4: rule of law and legal processes, and we you know,

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Speaker 4: people come here with the expectation that the United States

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Speaker 4: will do it fairly and will you know, treat people humanely.

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Speaker 4: And so whether something is legal in a narrow sense

661
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Speaker 4: is different than whether it's ethical, and it just it

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Speaker 4: does you know, looking at some of the particularly some

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Speaker 4: of the asylum cases Cubans, it just eats me up

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Speaker 4: when I think about just having that sort of removed

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Speaker 4: after people because the United States extended a hand and

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Speaker 4: said make an appointment on CBP one, come here.

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Speaker 5: You know, you can just tell us like go through

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Speaker 5: the legal process.

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Speaker 4: Tell us why you want to asylum, tell us why

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Speaker 4: you're a refugee. And it's I think sort of been

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Speaker 4: that it feels like we've let ourselves down in some

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Speaker 4: of those cases. And again that's coming from somebody who

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Speaker 4: actually is pretty supportive of a lot of what Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump has done on the border, Like the crossings are

675
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Speaker 4: down so significantly, the border basically is closed to the

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Speaker 4: point where it doesn't justify.

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Speaker 5: Any policies based on a quote quote invasion. But you

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Speaker 5: know that.

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Speaker 4: It's not Trump's fault that Biden did what Biden did,

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Speaker 4: that the Biden administration did what the Biden administration did.

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Speaker 4: It's not the Republican parties, well, Republican party is different.

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Speaker 4: It's not the Trump administration's fault. But they do have

683
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Speaker 4: then a moral obligation to deal with the people who

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Speaker 4: came here humanly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Because we can choose what kind of country

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Speaker 3: we want to we want to be. If if we

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Speaker 3: want to be vicious and cruel like that is that

688
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Speaker 3: is a thing we can do like that is within

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Speaker 3: our power and our ability, or we can be or

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Speaker 3: we can try to be a civilized country. That's that's

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Speaker 3: the true We.

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Speaker 4: Are refugees we should be. That's the other thing. That's

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Speaker 4: another the United States. We were just talking about this

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Speaker 4: when we're talking about academia. We have been a place

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Speaker 4: a talent magnet for generations. Uh, and there aren't and

696
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Speaker 4: there have been excesses of that. We have been a

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Speaker 4: magnet for desperate people seeking freedom for decades, and there

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Speaker 4: have been some excesses of that. But in the concept

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Speaker 4: in of itself, is part of what makes us a

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Speaker 4: great country. Is because we are comprised of this amazing

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Speaker 4: collection of people who are really talented, love freedom, and

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Speaker 4: that's an addition to our native born population, and it's additive,

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Speaker 4: and people integrate and love the United States. And again

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Speaker 4: we have to fix those processes too. There's nothing to

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Speaker 4: say that I think there's more. There are plenty of

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Speaker 4: questions to be raised about that. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 4: it also is part. It's always been additive. It's part

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Speaker 4: of what makes us a good country and a place

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Speaker 4: that a lot of us are proud to live.

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Speaker 3: There's also news last night we're out of the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 3: and I can put this up that the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: one in the Supreme Court and is being allowed temporarily.

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Speaker 3: It's a temporary victory, but it's a significant one being

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Speaker 3: allowed to temporarily remove gwyn Willcox from the National Labor

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Speaker 3: Relations Board and also Kathy Harris, who's on the Merit

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Speaker 3: Systems Protection Board. People understand the NLRB, that's this, This

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Speaker 3: is board that oversees labor rights. Uh. The the kind

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Speaker 3: of I think failure of the bipartisan populist movement or

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Speaker 3: or transpartisan populist move whatever you would call it, has

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Speaker 3: been that despite the kind of working class shift in

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party, the NLRB has remained a you know,

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Speaker 3: public enemy number one because of the kind of corporate

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Speaker 3: control and it's the ond a medium business control as

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Speaker 3: well of inside the Republican coalition. We can talk about

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Speaker 3: that in a second. I just want to say a

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Speaker 3: word about the Merit Systems Protection Board. But basically what

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Speaker 3: this is is there are all of these rules around,

728
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Speaker 3: you know, how you can hire and fire people in

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Speaker 3: the federal government, and so if if you are wrongfully fired,

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Speaker 3: you can then appeal to the Merit Systems Protection Board.

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Speaker 3: And what Trump, what Trump is doing here is trying

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Speaker 3: to destroy the the merit the Merit Board, which then

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Speaker 3: would allow him to get rid of all of the protections,

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Speaker 3: because the protect if the protections are there on paper

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Speaker 3: but there's no avenue for you to challenge them, then

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Speaker 3: they don't really exist. And so this is a huge

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Speaker 3: win in his kind of assault on the federal on

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Speaker 3: this federal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Kagan and so to Major agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I'm reading from their descent here. She says, the current

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Speaker 4: president believes that Humphreys, so that's the Humphrey's executor case,

742
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Speaker 4: should be either overruled or confined, and he has chosen

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Speaker 4: to act on that belief, really to take the law

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Speaker 4: into his own hands. Not since the nineteen fifties or

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Speaker 4: even before, has a president without a legitimate reason tried

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Speaker 4: to remove an officer from a classic independent agency. And

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Speaker 4: they write, our Humphrey's decision remains good law, and it

748
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Speaker 4: forecloses both the president's firings and the court's decision to

749
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Speaker 4: award emergency relief. So it's a very long descent, but

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Speaker 4: basically they feel that Humphreys is threatened here, and Humphreys

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Speaker 4: is My preference would be that Humphrey's executor is is overturned.

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Speaker 4: I do think that these outside agencies need to be

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Speaker 4: accountable to the executive But at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Although the FED in here, they also say that the

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Speaker 3: FED is cool, right, which is just they're just making

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Speaker 3: it up as they go along, Like, yeah, just there's

757
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Speaker 3: no principle here, by the way, just this independent agency.

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Speaker 3: You can destroy this independent agency, which we're very nervous

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Speaker 3: about what Trump would do with that one constitutionally is protected.

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Speaker 3: It's like what they all are none of.

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Speaker 5: No argument with me on that one. But that's what's

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Like when they when they handed the White House to

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Speaker 3: uh Bush, there's this famous line in the in Bush v. Gore.

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Speaker 3: Uh this sets no precedent and can never be referenced again.

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Speaker 3: Oh all right, I would.

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Speaker 5: Add that as my email signature.

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Speaker 3: Yes, delete this email.

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Speaker 4: But that is the reason that's a fault And actually,

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Speaker 4: to your point, the reason that the NLRB is particularly

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Speaker 4: a fault line, even amidst the transpartisan like FTC populism,

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Speaker 4: all of that is because it brings into the question

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Speaker 4: the size of the executive branch, period and most people

774
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Speaker 4: on the right still believe that the executive branch is

775
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Speaker 4: bloated and unaccountable to the president, and I include myself

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Speaker 4: in that category. So Humphreys to the point that Kagan

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Speaker 4: and so do my rr making is sort of a

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Speaker 4: foundational like that is a load bearing decision for the

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Speaker 4: entire executive branch.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about this comical clip with Caroline Levitt being asked, Hey, man,

781
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Speaker 3: you guys said you're going to cut the devasit coms

782
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Speaker 3: bill explodes it. She had a very she had a

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Speaker 3: very clever response to that challenge. Let's let's play this.

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Speaker 7: The One Big Beautiful Bill also to get our fiscal

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Speaker 7: in order by carrying out the largest deficit reduction in

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Speaker 7: nearly thirty years with one point six trillion dollars mandatory savings.

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Speaker 7: Every single Democrat in the House of Representatives who voted

788
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Speaker 7: against all of these common sense and massively popular policies.

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Speaker 7: The Democrat Party has never been more radical and out

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Speaker 7: of touch with the needs of the American people. The

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Speaker 7: One Big Beautiful Bill is the final missing piece toward

792
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Speaker 7: ushering the Golden Age of America. The Senate should pass

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Speaker 7: this as quickly as possible and send it to President

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Speaker 7: Trump's desk for a Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So we want to hear that again just for fun.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's just amazing.

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Speaker 7: Well, also helps get our fiscal house in order by

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Speaker 7: carrying out the largest deficit reduction in nearly thirty years.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing the fiscal I didn't know you could do that.

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Speaker 5: So in order you are going to be sick of

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Speaker 5: the fiscal house being in order.

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Speaker 3: It's a really clever governing strategy. So instead of actually

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Speaker 3: creating a bill that that cuts the deficit, as you

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Speaker 3: said you would do, you you create you create a

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Speaker 3: bill and pass into the House that blows up the deficit,

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Speaker 3: but it cuts it off.

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Speaker 4: It's you're putting diet on the sugarful yogurt.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly what this is. It works, That's the American.

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Speaker 3: Way, except the the problem apparently is that the American

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Speaker 3: people don't don't quite buy it. H So this is

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Speaker 3: the COBC. We were trying to figure out yesterday how

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Speaker 3: you say this the COBC letter. Americans have never been

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Speaker 3: so pessimistic about future finances. US consumers expectations about their

814
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Speaker 3: financial situation over the next year drop to an all

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Speaker 3: time low in May. So this is how do you

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Speaker 3: feel like you will be doing one year from now?

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Speaker 3: And you can see that. So that chart there, if

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Speaker 3: you're listening to this, it's just a just a cliff

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Speaker 3: like that. The numbers you know, you know, fluctuating over

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Speaker 3: the years and over the last couple of weeks, two months,

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Speaker 3: it's just a it's just a straight line. It looked

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Speaker 3: like the chart looks like you're going to have to

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Speaker 3: quickly hit that minus button and start like zooming out

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Speaker 3: to give it, to give it more room, to be

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Speaker 3: able to encompass the depth of the pessimism that is

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Speaker 3: engulfing the American public right now.

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Speaker 4: If I had to, I wouldn't have bet this week

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Speaker 4: on whether the big beautiful bill passed the House or not,

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Speaker 4: because it was just such a close call.

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Speaker 5: But the fact that it did.

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Speaker 4: Pass, I think bodes well. Actually going into the Senate,

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Speaker 4: it's going.

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Speaker 5: To be very very, very very difficult.

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Speaker 4: But what the passage in the House suggests is the

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Speaker 4: Republican Party is sufficiently desperate to have some type of

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Speaker 4: augmentation for the tariff policy. Uh and they're they're freaked

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Speaker 4: out about the chart, for example, that you just showed

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Speaker 4: and other charts liked it, like it, because that's the

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Speaker 4: only way you really get people on board with blowing

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Speaker 4: up the deficit is when they are deficit hawks is saying, well,

841
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 4: if nothing passes, then you are even like you're you're

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Speaker 4: tanking the economy because you're not.

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Speaker 5: Having you have no reshoring legislative policy.

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Speaker 4: You have no one tax right off you know, retroactor

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Speaker 4: to January for building all of that stuff. And so

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Speaker 4: if you if you don't pass this bill, you know,

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Speaker 4: cut the corporate taxes, you don't have the reshoring incentives,

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Speaker 4: then you have a much worse situation. So it's a

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Speaker 4: it's a wonderful way we make laws.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I got some details from that Trump

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Speaker 3: meeting that you had with the Republican Conference from a

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Speaker 3: source that hadn't made it into the press yet. You

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Speaker 3: think some of this up back to your sources. Uh,

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Speaker 3: they'll they'll they'll enjoy this. Uh, you know, they're the

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Speaker 3: thing that the Freedom Caucus put out leaked out. He said,

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Speaker 3: I love the Freedom Caucus. You know, these are my guys.

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Speaker 3: The fuller quote was, I love the Freedom Caucus. These

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Speaker 3: are my guys. You know, give me liberty or give

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Speaker 3: me death, and then he added, vote for this bill

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Speaker 3: or it's gonna be death for you. They and when

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Speaker 3: the Freedom Caucus members leaked that out, to the press.

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Speaker 3: They conveniently said the washing.

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Speaker 5: So that's funny.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they love that he loves us. He loves us

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Speaker 3: so much. They left out that he's threatened to kill

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Speaker 3: them metaphorically kill them, I assume.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: He also, at one point, I forget the exact context,

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Speaker 3: said he was the first gay president because he was

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Speaker 3: complementing somebody, and uh, it will be Buchanan. Come on,

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Speaker 3: this is Buchanan erasure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, it's fair.

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Speaker 3: He was married Joe Senator from like Mississippi or whatever, like, well,

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Speaker 3: it's an interesting one.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then he got into a back and forth with Massy.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Source told me where he said, like Massy, very smart guy. Uh,

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Speaker 3: he went to mi T But look it up. Wharton

880
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: much better school, much harder to get into.

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Speaker 4: I want to see Trump than running his on Tesla batteries,

882
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 4: you know, making that that's mass.

883
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Speaker 5: Is absolute genius. He's like literally self sustaining farming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Wharton, harder to get into.

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Speaker 5: Incredible.

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Speaker 3: I'm smarter than Massy. So let's here, Let's roll Massy's

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Speaker 3: Uh he did vote against He's one of the few

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Speaker 3: that did vote against it. Let's play his his speech

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Speaker 3: reserves gentleman from Massa Chiefs is recognized as a speaker.

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Speaker 3: I yield one and one half minutes to the gentleman

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Speaker 3: from Kentucky, a man who is not afraid to speak

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Speaker 3: his mind about fiscal responsibility. Mister Massey, gentleman from Kentucky's

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Speaker 3: recognized for ninety seconds.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'd love to stand here and tell the American

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Speaker 8: people we can cut your taxes and we can increase

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Speaker 8: spending and everything's going to be just fine. But I

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Speaker 8: can't do that because I'm here to deliver a dose

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Speaker 8: of reality. This bill dramatically increases deficits in the near term,

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Speaker 8: but promises our government will be fiscally responsible five years

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Speaker 8: from now. Where have we heard that before? How do

901
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Speaker 8: you bind a future Congress to these promises? This bill

902
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 8: is a debt bomb ticking. Congress can do funny math,

903
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 8: fantasy math if it wants, but bond investors don't. And

904
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Speaker 8: this week they sent us a message. Moodies downgraded our

905
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Speaker 8: credit rating, and the bond investors who buy our debt

906
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Speaker 8: and finance our debt demanded higher interest rates on the

907
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Speaker 8: ten year note, the twenty year note, and the thirty

908
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Speaker 8: year note. What does this mean? Very soon the government

909
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 8: will be paying sixteen thousand dollars of interest interest a

910
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 8: loan per us family. And what are we telling them?

911
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Speaker 8: Instead of taking care of that problem, We're going to

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Speaker 8: give you a sixteen hundred dollars break under the taxing

913
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Speaker 8: and spending levels. In this bill, we're going to rack

914
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Speaker 8: up the author say, twenty trillion dollars of new debt

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Speaker 8: over the next ten years. I'm telling you it's closer

916
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Speaker 8: to thirty trillion dollars of new debt in the next

917
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Speaker 8: ten years, mister speaker. We're not rearranging deck chairs on

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Speaker 8: the Titanic tonight. We're putting coal in the boiler and

919
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Speaker 8: setting a course for the iceberg. If something is if

920
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Speaker 8: something is beautiful, If something is beautiful, you don't do

921
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Speaker 8: it after midnight.

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Speaker 5: I that's a quote. It's not true.

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Speaker 3: It's a good one, so messy, not always true. Real

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Speaker 3: real quickly, let's uh, and we got to get to

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Speaker 3: this back half the show. But I did want to

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Speaker 3: talk about this, this bulwark piece real quick, where Democrats

927
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Speaker 3: are planning a whole uh, claiming that they're going to

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Speaker 3: do a bunch of changes. The funniest one that I thought, UH,

929
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Speaker 3: from this one is that they're saying that Joe Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden operatives, they're going to attempt to blacklist them. We'll see.

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Speaker 3: That would be like the first blacklisting of any like

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Speaker 3: kind of mainstream operatives for anything ever in in democratic

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Speaker 3: politics in the in the past, it's only been a

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Speaker 3: blacklist for people who challenge the democratic establishment. Uh there.

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Speaker 3: And they're also going after uh South Carolina like they're

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Speaker 3: Carolin well making no, making South Carolina the first in

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Speaker 3: the nation state like that was done for Cliburn and

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Speaker 3: for but for really for Biden, who you know, credits

939
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Speaker 3: South Carolina for for that win. And so now they're

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Speaker 3: they're looking at that again. It's we'll see. If I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't. I don't think they'll actually do it, uh,

942
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Speaker 3: but we'll see.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a that's actually very interesting because you

944
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Speaker 4: have both of your books behind you, the posters for them.

945
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Speaker 4: But we see some of the starting to happen on

946
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Speaker 4: the right, like if you have worked in Coke Universe,

947
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Speaker 4: you were supposed to be kind of booted from Trump circles,

948
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Speaker 4: that you were supposed to be off the list of

949
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Speaker 4: the administration.

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Speaker 5: That didn't totally happen but it's still kind of.

951
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Speaker 4: A it's still not great on a resume if you're

952
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Speaker 4: trying to move into the mainstream conservative movement now and

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Speaker 4: you have recently like a Coke group on your resume.

954
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Speaker 4: But you know, the idea that someone who worked for

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Speaker 4: a mainstream Democratic politician campaign presidential campaign for an establishment

956
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Speaker 4: Democrat like Joe Biden, that that would be a problem

957
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Speaker 4: for you. I just genuinely don't believe that that's durable.

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Speaker 4: It seems to me like something that is being discussed

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Speaker 4: right now, but then everyone will just pretend never happened

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Speaker 4: in six months or something like that. But maybe it

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Speaker 4: applies to the tippy tippy top, like maybe your general

962
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Speaker 4: Malley Dylan. Maybe you're like other people that are up

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Speaker 4: that were up really high in that world. Maybe that's why,

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Speaker 4: maybe that's why people like l Rosa are, you know,

965
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Speaker 4: talking to breaking points for example, to sort of say, well,

966
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Speaker 4: we were in here and we were the sane voices,

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Speaker 4: or we tried to be the sane voices.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I would think Jenno Mali Dylan is done anyway. Like

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Speaker 3: she you know, she ran the twenty Obama twenty twelve

971
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Speaker 3: campaign and then Biden in twenty twenty and then this one.

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Speaker 3: And she's a corporate consultant, like that's her Her main

973
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Speaker 3: gig is her firm does corporate consulting. So I don't

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Speaker 3: expect her to run another presidential campaign. And once you've

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Speaker 3: run them, you don't you don't go into you know

976
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Speaker 3: you maybe maybe she'll still do some like socide consulting

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Speaker 3: work for a future presidential campaign, but that's peanuts compared

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Speaker 3: to the amount of corporate money that's available to her

979
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Speaker 3: and other Democratic operatives. But let's move. Let's move to

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Speaker 3: the back half of this show. This is for premium

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982
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Speaker 3: And you'll also get a Matt Stoller clip that we're

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Speaker 3: going to play towards the end, and also a James

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Speaker 3: Lee interview that he did with this and we should

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Speaker 3: uh Layman Trader, Jared.

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Speaker 4: We should also mention we're doing an A M A

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Speaker 4: in the second half of the show, so we're taking some.

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Speaker 3: Premium describers questions.

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Speaker 3: And so so let's talk about some of the political

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Speaker 3: fallout from the shooting of two Israeli embassy staffers and

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Speaker 3: killing in here in Washington, d c UH the other

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Speaker 3: night