WEBVTT - Into the Acura Integra Type S

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<v Speaker 1>Today, we're examining the state of the affordable sportsdan by

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<v Speaker 1>digging into the Accura Integra type. Closely related to the

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<v Speaker 1>Honda Civic type are the Integer typees goes its own

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<v Speaker 1>way by offering a more mature approach to performance. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also unique against its competition because it only comes with

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<v Speaker 1>the manual transmission. It follows the classic sport compact formula,

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<v Speaker 1>a powerful turbocharge force cylinder, front wheel drive, a manual transmission,

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<v Speaker 1>and a chansis built to handle.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's dig into this thing. You and I have both

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<v Speaker 2>driven it extensively on a variety of roads, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>really different feeling than the Civic Type R on which

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<v Speaker 2>it's based. And it's funny because when Acer came out

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<v Speaker 2>in the mid eighties with cars like the Legend that

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<v Speaker 2>was the first one, and then they did the NSX,

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<v Speaker 2>it was more than just Honda Plus, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>longitudinal front drive layouts. The Accura Vigor had the five

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<v Speaker 2>cylinder to go up against Audi. The NSX was obviously

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<v Speaker 2>everybody knows that's like the godhead supercar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it was a luxury and performance brand.

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<v Speaker 3>Right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was so much value and content in these

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<v Speaker 2>things because the end was so strong. But now we

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<v Speaker 2>have an Accura with perfectly nice cars TLX, MDX, RDX

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<v Speaker 2>and this Integra Type S, but they're alsort of Honda Plus.

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<v Speaker 1>However, Yeah, this one's pretty special, and you could think

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<v Speaker 1>of it as being a Honda Plus almost because it's

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<v Speaker 1>so closely related to the Civic type bar. But it

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<v Speaker 1>really goes its own way. Like you said, as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as you get into it, you realize it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>more mature car. The Civic type bars for under forty

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<v Speaker 1>and the Integra is for people over forty. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got hair growing out of your ears and

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<v Speaker 1>it's falling out of your head, that's exactly the one

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<v Speaker 1>you'll pick. And if you have hair on your head

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<v Speaker 1>and none in your ears, you all for the Civic typear.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. The Civic type bar is a hot hatch. The

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<v Speaker 2>Integret type is a sport sedan, right that happens to

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<v Speaker 2>have a hatchback. But yeah, it's not the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have the ridiculous wing, it doesn't look as crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it has fender flares, but it's something only somebody

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<v Speaker 2>in the know would necessarily notice, so you fly under

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<v Speaker 2>the radar. And it also makes a really lovely daily driver.

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<v Speaker 2>Accurate tuned it so that the suspension is just a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit softer on rebound, so you don't feel those

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<v Speaker 2>impacts as hard as frenetic. Yeah, it's not as like

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<v Speaker 2>high strung as the CTR.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you don't lose any of the great stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't lose any of the fun of the powertrain.

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<v Speaker 1>You still have that same wonderful manual transmission, which is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best since like the S two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a spectacular manual transmission and you get

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<v Speaker 1>five bonus horsepower. Oh nice, and it sounds better. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it does. It does sound better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But you know the Civic type are the interior

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<v Speaker 2>is so gautty. I mean it looks like a vape

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<v Speaker 2>shop in there. And this is really pretty refined and

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<v Speaker 2>nice and you know, great metallic surfaces and handles. And

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<v Speaker 2>the one I think real improvement on the INTI is

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<v Speaker 2>they went from the all titanium shift knob on the

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<v Speaker 2>Civic type bar to a leather rapped one so you

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<v Speaker 2>don't burn your hand.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yeah, I mean, because Accur is a luxury brand,

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<v Speaker 1>so you want to have that little strip. That little

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<v Speaker 1>ring of leather makes all the difference. But it really

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<v Speaker 1>actually does, because when it's incredibly hot out and the

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<v Speaker 1>sun's been beating down on your shifter, you get like

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<v Speaker 1>the Raiders of the Lost Arc style print in your hand.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sort of the kind of car that isn't made

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<v Speaker 2>a lot these days. There is a competitive set for it,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like the BMW M two thirty five Grand

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<v Speaker 2>coupe and the Audi S three, which is around the

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<v Speaker 2>same horse power.

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<v Speaker 1>And there is a cluster of these like three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>horsepower small sedans, but crucially, none of them have manual transmissions,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're all a lot heavier than the Accura as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all three to four to five hundre pounds heavier

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<v Speaker 1>because they're all have all wheel drive systems, which do

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<v Speaker 1>enable them to put up some pretty impressive performance numbers

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to acceleration. But acceleration in everything. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that sounds crazy coming carent driver. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>test everything in zero to sixty is so important to us,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not everything. And the Accurate does a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things that these other cars don't do because of

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<v Speaker 1>driver involvement. And it's just a lighter car, so it

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<v Speaker 1>feels more playful and it just feels like a slightly

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<v Speaker 1>less serious car.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's the whole point of this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not about the numbers. It truly returns great driver

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<v Speaker 2>feel great chansis feel great engine sounds, whereas the other

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<v Speaker 2>heavier cars feel a little dead and remote. By comparison,

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<v Speaker 2>I think only the Audi S three in that competitive

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<v Speaker 2>set has some of that playfulness. Maybe CT four V,

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<v Speaker 2>but as you said, those are more sort of grown up,

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<v Speaker 2>big boy cars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those cars all sort of want to be the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger cars in their lineup in some way. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Integra Type S doesn't at all. It doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a TLX. It's real happy being an Integra Type S.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And you know, there are a lot of fanboys,

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<v Speaker 2>Accura lovers, and if you go and bring a trailer,

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<v Speaker 2>you see crazy money being paid for old Integra and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't necessarily like that this thing has four doors

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<v Speaker 2>and that it's so expensive relative to the Civic type BR.

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<v Speaker 2>But man, it's really worth it. You have to drive it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's what seven seventy one dollars more expensive than.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not an insurmountable amount of money, And considering Civic

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<v Speaker 1>type bars all had a huge price gouging basically happening

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<v Speaker 1>at the dealer level. Maybe there's price parody. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's cheaper, yeah, exactly. You might find an accurate

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<v Speaker 1>dealer that's willing to sell it to you at sticker

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<v Speaker 1>versus a Honda dealer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, Like the accurate dealer is trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of this thing because it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of manal trans and like the MDX fires going

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<v Speaker 2>in there to the dealership going what what is this? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>What is this crazy little thing? So it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>quite fit into the lineup, but it would have fit

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<v Speaker 1>into the lineup beautifully, as you pointed out in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think Accurate sort of moving in that direction.

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<v Speaker 1>They brought the NSX out and that lasted until a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago. So they do want performance, and

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<v Speaker 1>they really they seem to understand that performance is really part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the Should we go drive it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's go see what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, here we are. You know now that we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the Integra type s to the earlier point about

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<v Speaker 2>Acura's just being hot. The plus now, the Hondas are

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<v Speaker 2>so good that if you plus them up a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>they become sort of incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I mean one of the first seas you

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<v Speaker 1>noticed is it's just easier to get into because of

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<v Speaker 1>the seats over seas. Yeah, the bolsters aren't as big.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's no red carpet. You can get different

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<v Speaker 1>interior colors in this car rather than than just the

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<v Speaker 1>red carpet and the red front seats.

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<v Speaker 2>But the level of fit and finish is extraordinarily high,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's also true of the Honda. But it really

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<v Speaker 2>feels at home here.

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<v Speaker 1>And the nice thing I mean ergonomically, you get a

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<v Speaker 1>volume knob, which is something Honda made a mistake of

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<v Speaker 1>getting away from for a while. You get automatic climate control,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a lot of luxury car bits to this.

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<v Speaker 1>You get heated seats, which I don't think you can

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<v Speaker 1>get in the Civic type Bar.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't have a power seat on my side,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of Porsches don't have that. It's weight saving,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly right. And we got the hot audio in

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. Yeah, it's got the ELS system.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what ELS means?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's Elliott Shiner El's he was the Steely Dan engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is that right? Yeah? The standard system in the

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<v Speaker 1>Civic Type Bar is a Bose system, So it also

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<v Speaker 1>has a good a pretty good sound system. Should we

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<v Speaker 1>get driving.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's get going, all right. See what this thing is?

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<v Speaker 2>All of us shifters so sweet? It is sweet. I

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<v Speaker 2>put on the rev match for you. Oh nice, because

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<v Speaker 2>you're an old man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, And I'm an old man. That's why I

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<v Speaker 1>prefer the type s have I told you about the

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<v Speaker 1>law of conservation of hair, the law of conservation of mass, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So any hair you lose on your body ends up

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<v Speaker 1>growing somewhere else. So I've lost a lot of hair

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<v Speaker 1>on the top of my head, and I've noticed it's

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<v Speaker 1>really coming into my ears. So this is really the type,

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<v Speaker 1>as I think, is the car for guys who have

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<v Speaker 1>some ear hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mine has migrated from the top of my head

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<v Speaker 2>to my back.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Love conservation of hair.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. Love conservators there you can either create

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<v Speaker 2>nor destroy hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, it just comes out somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The ride doesn't beat you up.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's immediately apparent that it's not the jittery, taffeinated ride.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pacific type of like I'm a sports car. I'm exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to show you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, that's that's not what's happening here at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And they did that by relaxing the rebound damping.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it has it has multi mode, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can still kick it up to a pretty stiff ride.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the Honda on Track, when I drove that

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<v Speaker 1>at VIR at Virginia International Raceway, I dialed it back

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<v Speaker 1>because any rode and he like bumps on the track

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<v Speaker 1>like unsettled the car, and I just wanted that much

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<v Speaker 1>more compliance. But with this car, they were actually able

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<v Speaker 1>to run it in the stiffer modes because the stiffer

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<v Speaker 1>modes sort of align with the softer modes in the

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<v Speaker 1>Civic Wild.

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<v Speaker 2>But that said, the Civic is, Oh that sounds great now,

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed a little torque steer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's definitely from wheel drive. This isn't the most

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<v Speaker 1>like even surface, so you'll get a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a tug. But I mean it does have three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>twenty horsepower, so there's a lot of power going through

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<v Speaker 1>the front wheels. And it has the dual access struts

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<v Speaker 1>which are sort of like GM's hyperstrut.

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<v Speaker 2>Or forty knuckle separating the steering end the.

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<v Speaker 1>Steering from the strut, and it just it just improves

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<v Speaker 1>the wheel geometry and eliminates some of that torque steer.

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<v Speaker 2>And this has a front limited slip.

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<v Speaker 1>To yeah, it's got a helical front limited slip, so

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<v Speaker 1>that basically allows power to go to the wheel that

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<v Speaker 1>needs it most. I didn't get to drive this car

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<v Speaker 1>on track, but I drove the Civic type bar on track,

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<v Speaker 1>and unlike most front wheel drive cars where you have

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<v Speaker 1>to be patient and wait and wait and wait to

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<v Speaker 1>put the power down, you could just stop it and

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<v Speaker 1>then the magical dift like just figured it out, no worries,

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<v Speaker 1>no problem. It was really, really, really an amazing thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's so much higher. It's two sixty five's all

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<v Speaker 1>the way around, so it's like a ridiculous I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that was like a rear tire size on a nine

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<v Speaker 1>to eleven not that long, and you get four of

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<v Speaker 1>them here.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's I think it pulls over a G, like

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<v Speaker 1>just over a G on the skid pad. So our

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<v Speaker 1>skid pad test is a large circle and we basically

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<v Speaker 1>test how long the car hangs onto the ground and

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<v Speaker 1>it pulls over a G. So it's basically your weight

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<v Speaker 1>being pulled left or to the right. It's pretty amazing

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<v Speaker 1>that a car does.

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<v Speaker 2>That one gravity. Oh nice maneuver, sir, that was a

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<v Speaker 2>good piece of driving.

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<v Speaker 1>We're driving on public roads.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and love being Annaburm, Michigan. I also have a theory,

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<v Speaker 2>not unlike your hair conservation theory, which is the more

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<v Speaker 2>intellectuals you have in a city, the worse the driving

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<v Speaker 2>will be. Yes, and Boston is my kind of proof

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<v Speaker 2>of interest there. Oh yeah, that shifter is so sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about it before. But just this little piece

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<v Speaker 1>of leather here makes all the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it's got this little ultra suede booty, this Alcantara

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<v Speaker 2>style booty. That's a cool little touch. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like I'm in a Honda.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's much quieter just going down the road. And

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<v Speaker 1>in our testing the sound level meter didn't really pick

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<v Speaker 1>up a difference. It's seventy miles an hour. They were

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<v Speaker 1>both the same amount of sound. They were both seventy

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<v Speaker 1>three decibels. It's just the quality of sound character so

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<v Speaker 1>much better. You don't get all the tire noise, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get very much wind rush, you don't get any

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<v Speaker 1>engine drone. Really, it's really it's the adult version of

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<v Speaker 1>the platform.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot more sound deadening for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't really weigh that much more either. It

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<v Speaker 1>weighs like thirty or forty or fifty pounds more than

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<v Speaker 1>the Civic Type bar, so it's not like you're putting

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<v Speaker 1>on this huge weight gain. It's not like a Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>town Car style sound deadening experience either.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how much does the Civic Type are wing way?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the lightweight of this car is really what

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<v Speaker 1>makes I mean, to me, what makes it and the

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<v Speaker 1>Civic Type are really special.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got sort of, I don't want to say, a

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<v Speaker 2>retro feel, but it does feel unlike a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>cars now that feel very heavy and plodding and sort

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<v Speaker 2>of clamp over the road. This thing is just light

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<v Speaker 2>on its feet. It dances around.

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<v Speaker 1>And there aren't a lot of cars left like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I mean, even it's competition, they all weigh

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more because of their all wheel drive systems,

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<v Speaker 1>and they all sort of aspire to be a car

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<v Speaker 1>that they a larger car or a more refined car.

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<v Speaker 1>This car sort of is happy being the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>car that it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's it's playful and it's not I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I just find myself gravitating towards smaller cars nowadays because

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<v Speaker 2>everything has you know, so much extra mass, and the

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<v Speaker 2>steering is so dead on so many cars now with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, electric power assist instead of hydraulic assists, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a numbing effect that's happened on a lot of cars.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a rare sort of car that's both

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<v Speaker 2>very alive but also subdued when it needs to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not always a band faced totally totally of like

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<v Speaker 2>being a great daily driver and not being annoying. You

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<v Speaker 2>can put people in the car and they don't like

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like look at you strangely because your car's

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<v Speaker 2>really noisier, rides terribly. So we're going to go on

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<v Speaker 2>a highway on ramp right now, all right, Tony is

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<v Speaker 2>a master.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some bumpy too, yeah, I mean, there's just no

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<v Speaker 1>lack of grip. And what's funny is there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>two thirds, almost two thirds of the weight of the

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<v Speaker 1>car is in the front and you just don't notice it.

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<v Speaker 1>The car just grips and grips and grips and grips,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the beauty of a sports It can do

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<v Speaker 1>almost everything that a sports car can do, but you

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<v Speaker 1>get all this comfort, and I think as if you

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<v Speaker 1>define sports dan in that way, this is a better

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<v Speaker 1>sports sedan than say the Civic type bar, which, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, is more of a hot hatch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we've toggled through the modes in the Civic

0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.920
<v Speaker 1>type bar, you get sort of a different gauge cluster.

0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:23.760
<v Speaker 1>You get like a track gauge cluster, and this one

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<v Speaker 1>you just get the two gauges, and they're virtual gauges.

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<v Speaker 1>I should mention it's when I'm looking at a display

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<v Speaker 1>of a tachometer and a spinometer. They could have made

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<v Speaker 1>real gauges, which I kind of prefer, but I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>used to these digital gauges.

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer analog. Now we're back of mugs the UH.

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<v Speaker 1>And the power builds pretty linearly. There's not like a

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<v Speaker 1>big there's not a lot of turbo lag. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>you're not waiting for the turbo necessarily. It builds like

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<v Speaker 1>not quite like a naturally aspirated car, but certainly like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty linear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean it pulls pretty strong throughout. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no like surges, there's no like waiting for the power.

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<v Speaker 2>And it sounds good. It sounds refined. For you know,

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<v Speaker 2>turbocharge two liter four sounds pretty pretty ready and willing.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody said there's a two and a half liter

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<v Speaker 1>under the hood or the turbocharger, I would have no

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<v Speaker 1>reason to doubt them. It did turn out to be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit slower than the.

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<v Speaker 2>Civic type AR.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Civic type AR did sixty and four

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<v Speaker 1>to nine and this one did five to one. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone's going to notice that different. Who

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<v Speaker 1>can tell no one, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, just generally speaking, acceleration is a war that's

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<v Speaker 2>been won, you know, by electrics, and acceleration is not

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<v Speaker 2>the achievement it used to be. It's more about to

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<v Speaker 2>me at least, and I think a lot of enthusiasts

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<v Speaker 2>more about the kind of feedback it car gives you.

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<v Speaker 2>You were talking about sports sedans and sports cars earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, the definition of a sports sidan is a

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle that gives you a good deal of feedback and

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<v Speaker 2>feel sensitive and gives you information about what's happening at

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<v Speaker 2>the tires, gives you information about what's happening under the hood,

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<v Speaker 2>at the break calibers.

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<v Speaker 1>They should be fun at every speed that's right. That

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<v Speaker 1>feedback makes the car entertaining and fun at every speed.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't want so much feedback because race cars

0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:27.919
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of feedback. You don't want so much

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<v Speaker 1>feedback that it's annoying. You want just the right amount

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<v Speaker 1>and then in balance. And this car does the balance

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<v Speaker 1>thing really well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The way the steering feels, the way the brakes feel,

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<v Speaker 1>the way they accelerate, it's all in harmony, and it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Works really really well. I couldn't agree more. And I

0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.600
<v Speaker 2>think they really really nailed it. And all of those

0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:50.080
<v Speaker 2>little subtle refinements that are happening throughout this car, it's

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<v Speaker 2>down to somebody caring about them and somebody spending the

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<v Speaker 2>time and honing and tuning and getting those inputs harmonious.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes a long time to dial a car in

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<v Speaker 1>like this and to get it this right.

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<v Speaker 2>And at this price. I know, people say, well, you know,

0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.480
<v Speaker 2>it's fifty three thousand dollars, and that is it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money. I mean it was a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the average price of.

0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.080
<v Speaker 1>A new car was like, there's not much less than this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I think there's a tremendous amount of

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<v Speaker 2>value here relative to the Germans.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm noticing is you can see really

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<v Speaker 1>well out of this car. Yes, Like the A pillars

0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.560
<v Speaker 1>aren't that big, small, that thick. The side glass is big.

0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.399
<v Speaker 1>A lot of car companies like to chase building a

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<v Speaker 1>car that looks like a concept car. That's sort of

0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the Camaro's curse. It's a great look at car, but

0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:38.840
<v Speaker 1>then when you get in it, you can't see out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. This you can see everything. I can see

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<v Speaker 1>down the hood perfectly. The windshield is somewhat upright. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like not an old car, like you said, but

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<v Speaker 1>it has touchstones of the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, there's that whole Honda philosophy of person

0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:58.400
<v Speaker 2>maximum machine minimum. These cars sort of disappear a little bit.

0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.399
<v Speaker 2>A court does that too. There's a lot of space inside,

0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.280
<v Speaker 2>there's great visibility out. That's always been a hon to Hallmark,

0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and it extends to the Accura here too, for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>no one.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes it just so wonderful and livable when you're

0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.280
<v Speaker 1>just commuting, when you're just driving around. But then you

0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.800
<v Speaker 1>throw this thing on a racetrack and it'll do it well.

0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.879
<v Speaker 2>I think this drive really sort of encapsulates this car's

0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.840
<v Speaker 2>capabilities because we're driving around town and we're keeping out

0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.199
<v Speaker 2>of harm's way, and then you throw it into a

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<v Speaker 2>corner and it's like, oh my god, that preob.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if you're bored, you just do what I've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing and just play with the shifter endlessly, just

0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.679
<v Speaker 1>going up and down the gears and having it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why can they do this and nobody else can do

0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:39.720
<v Speaker 2>shifters as well?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, nobody cares about manuals anymore. Yeah, And

0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.920
<v Speaker 1>this is just magic, and it's short throws and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just I would never miss a gear.

0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:51.840
<v Speaker 2>It's so perfectly damped. It never goes into the wrong slot.

0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:58.320
<v Speaker 2>It just feels so honed and tuned and right.

0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.919
<v Speaker 1>And the clutch take up is predict yes, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>not heavy, it's not light. It catches predictably. It's just wonderful.

0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.680
<v Speaker 2>The best shifter I ever experienced was in the hot

0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.400
<v Speaker 2>S two thousand exactly. This is not too far off

0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:13.320
<v Speaker 2>far off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's also delicate at the same time, like

0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.639
<v Speaker 1>it's happy to you drive it, you know, with a

0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:28.800
<v Speaker 1>delicate hand. The Integra really manages the wheel spin like

0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.280
<v Speaker 1>you get basically no wheel spin because it's just maximizing

0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.760
<v Speaker 1>the amount of traction that the car has converts all

0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.439
<v Speaker 1>of that energy to the road instead of having a

0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:45.400
<v Speaker 1>bunch of like time robbing wheel spin. Yeah oh yeah, Yeah,

0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:49.280
<v Speaker 1>it just tucks up really nicely. And that's not easy

0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:50.640
<v Speaker 1>to do with a front wheel drive car with three

0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and twenty horsepower to get that magic right.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, Well, here we are back at base. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 2>take it in visually. Yeah, it's beefy looking. It is.

0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:17.600
<v Speaker 1>The fender flares. I think everything a pillar forward, so

0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 1>that's the windshield. Pillar forward is unique to the type S.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but that's it. Yeah, And it's wide. It looks

0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.240
<v Speaker 2>wide up front. The wheels are great. I mean it's

0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.200
<v Speaker 2>splitspoke wheels. Yeah, it's a wide wheel.

0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.080
<v Speaker 1>It's a nine and a half inch wheel on a

0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.679
<v Speaker 1>with a two sixty five tire. That's a lot more

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.360
<v Speaker 1>tire than they put on the regular Integra.

0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why it hooks up so great.

0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.000
<v Speaker 1>It hooks up amazingly well. And the same in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got a square set up and then they've got

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<v Speaker 1>the fender flaring back too.

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.399
<v Speaker 2>And so you can kind of see the bones of

0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.359
<v Speaker 2>the Civic under here, but it's pretty well masked it is.

0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.359
<v Speaker 1>It looks like a different car, and you don't have

0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the giant spoiler of the Type R. The Type S

0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.280
<v Speaker 1>just as a small carbon fiber lips spoiler. People that

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<v Speaker 1>know will not, but people that don't know aren't. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get a second glance probably, but right

0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:06.480
<v Speaker 1>for people in the know, I mean, the fender flares

0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 1>mean a lot, the three exhaust pipes mean a lot.

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's beefy from the back with that diffuser, and

0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.119
<v Speaker 2>I love a hatch, you know. It just increases the

0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:15.800
<v Speaker 2>utility of.

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<v Speaker 1>The car, oh totally, and the practicality just goes up,

0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 1>goes up, goes up.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back at our desks after that drive. That was

0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.840
<v Speaker 2>a fun one and I feel like I know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more about the Integra Type best than I do

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<v Speaker 2>before we set out. Do you have any other questions

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<v Speaker 2>about it? I think I do, Eddie.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are some things that only those on the

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<v Speaker 1>inside can tell us about a car. So let's reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to accurate product planner Jonathan Rivers and maybe find

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<v Speaker 1>out what a product planner does too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, after the break, we'll talk to Jonathan. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to car and drivers into cars. Thanks for being

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<v Speaker 2>with us, Jonathan. We're excited to talk about the integritypees today,

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<v Speaker 2>or as you call it, the its. I thought you

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.440
<v Speaker 2>said IBS and I was like, I have that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But before we get into the car, your job is

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<v Speaker 2>really cool. So what does a product planner do? Can

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<v Speaker 2>you explain that to our audience?

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's a question I get asked quite a lot,

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, if you're not in the know or

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.440
<v Speaker 4>in the industry, you actually don't know what we do.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I think the best way to kind of

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.959
<v Speaker 4>dumb it down a little bit is we kind of

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<v Speaker 4>come up with the recipe for what a future vehicle

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<v Speaker 4>will be, and once we can get that approved, then

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<v Speaker 4>we're working together with the designers, the engineers, the production associates,

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<v Speaker 4>and ultimately like the sales and marketing folks to get

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<v Speaker 4>that in the customer's hands.

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<v Speaker 2>So you kind of scope out the mark and say

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<v Speaker 2>we need a vehicle here.

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<v Speaker 3>At a high level.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I mean it's quite detailed, right, because we're working

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<v Speaker 4>from the original concept of the vehicle all the way

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.680
<v Speaker 4>through mass production, and so along the way we're looking

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<v Speaker 4>at like you said, market trends, you know, doing customer clinics,

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:11.680
<v Speaker 4>focus groups, talking to the dealers, the media, trying to

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 4>get all kinds of insights as to, like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>what would be the best positioning for a new product,

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<v Speaker 4>but then really starting to get into the weeds with

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<v Speaker 4>what are the features, the technologies, what does it look like,

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<v Speaker 4>what are the colors?

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<v Speaker 3>All these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony and I were talking earlier about kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>history of Accura and how it went from very sort

0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:38.120
<v Speaker 2>of bespoke engineering, high feature stuff to sort of Honda

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.640
<v Speaker 2>plus in a way, you know, I mean to cast

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<v Speaker 2>no aspersions by saying that, in a sense, the Honda

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<v Speaker 2>stuff has gotten so good, where does Accura go from there?

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<v Speaker 2>But did you plan this alongside the civic type? Are

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<v Speaker 2>was there a crossing of the streams, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>between Honda and Accura when it came time to you know,

0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 2>plan civic the highest expression of civic, then a level

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<v Speaker 2>above it with Akira.

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<v Speaker 4>So to maybe take a quick step back, I came

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<v Speaker 4>into the planning role back in twenty fifteen for Acura,

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<v Speaker 4>and yeah, I mean back then, Hey, I'll give you

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 4>a fair point. I mean the lineup was quite different.

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 4>I think the brand direction was quite different, and so

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<v Speaker 4>that was around when Essex was getting close to launch

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<v Speaker 4>and the brand kind of went back to its roots,

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<v Speaker 4>right with precision craft to performance and for all the

0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 4>reasons you just mentioned, so that we weren't just viewed

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<v Speaker 4>as a Honda plus and that we did offer a

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 4>true alternative to Honda. So internally, it's not about being

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<v Speaker 4>better than Honda, but it's about just offering a different alternative.

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<v Speaker 4>In our case, it really is about leveraging the performance.

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:45.199
<v Speaker 4>Because if you go back to eighty six when the

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 4>brand launched, when an Integra was there and obviously the

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 4>legend and then eventually INSX and things like that, that's

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 4>what Accura was known for. And so by us pivoting

0:25:56.359 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 4>back there, it really changed the entire brand, the marketing,

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 4>and then ultimately the product lineup. Different designers, different engineers,

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:08.919
<v Speaker 4>They're built in different locations, so there's different production associates,

0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 4>different product planners. I'm not the product planning pacific type are.

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.679
<v Speaker 4>We had our own vision of what we wanted it

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<v Speaker 4>to be, all the while being aware of what this

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<v Speaker 4>other product was going to be too.

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan, thank you for saving the manuals with this car,

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, how hard was it to convince people

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<v Speaker 1>within the company to only offer this car with a

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<v Speaker 1>manual transmission?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's funny because I have a car and driver

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<v Speaker 4>hashtag save the Manual's coffee cup.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually on my desk.

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<v Speaker 1>So we get to do some stickers too.

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<v Speaker 4>If you'd like some, please, I'll put them on my

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.919
<v Speaker 4>laptop at work. So no, I mean, honestly, that question

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 4>is actually more relevant to the regular Integer, right, because

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<v Speaker 4>you know, once the regular Integra was developed and we

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<v Speaker 4>had already decided to put the six speed manual in

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.439
<v Speaker 4>that car, putting it on something like a Type S

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 4>was a no brainer. And then kind of to Eddie's point,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the fact that we were leverage some hardware

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<v Speaker 4>from Civic Type Are, well, we already had one of

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 4>the best manuals in the business. So yeah, no reason

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 4>not to put it into this car. And of course

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 4>we get asked questions all the time, why didn't you

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.679
<v Speaker 4>make a DCT this or auto this?

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<v Speaker 1>But that was my next question.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, to me, the answer is super easy.

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<v Speaker 4>We wanted the ultimate driver's car. We wanted a true enthusiast,

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 4>engaging driver's car, and not that you can't get that

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 4>with a DCT. But fundamentally, what we were trying to

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 4>do was create a very fun, engaging and really a

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 4>unique product in the marketplace.

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<v Speaker 2>And some manufacturers offer manual, but the manual isn't that great.

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 2>And in this case, this is like one of the

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 2>greatest shifting cars. And this is consistent across Honda and

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Accura from back in the sex days. So how do

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 2>you do it in like one hundred words or less?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's the secret? Sauce?

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say, you go make me give up

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 4>that recipe, right, And look, I'm not here to take

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 4>credit for everything. I'm clearly not the engineers that work

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 4>the magic and make these things happen. But what I

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 4>can say as being you know, someone I've been at

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 4>the company fourteen years, I've been here a while, and

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 4>I can say it's really just in our DNA and

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 4>like how we want the man machine to not just

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 4>be equal, it's got to be about the person that's

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.680
<v Speaker 4>controlling the vehicle. And so when that's at the forefront

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 4>of how you engineer and how you think, it comes

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:27.959
<v Speaker 4>through in the product itself. Because like you said, anybody

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 4>can make a transmission and you know, we can use

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 4>the same components and hardware, but it's the tuning and

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 4>the feeling. It's almost this kind of like raw notchiness

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 4>in the car that just it feels so good every

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 4>time you switch gears.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But you also have to know, I mean the

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 1>engineers also have to know what's good. And with a

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>history like S two thousand, you've set the bar pretty high.

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I've driven a lot of manuals, and it's like, what

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>other manuals have these engineers driven.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's funny because you know, as I sit here

0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 4>and say, you know, I worked here for fourteen years,

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 4>many of our development engineers and other chief engineers they've

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 4>been here twenty five thirty years. So they are the

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.479
<v Speaker 4>same guy that did the S two thousand transmission, right like,

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 4>or they were involved in that project. So a lot

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 4>of that prowess and that knowledge and that knowhow has

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 4>has stayed within the company and continues to trickle down today.

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>So other vehicles in this competitive set, like the OLDS

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 2>three or the bmw M two thirty five Grand Coupe,

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 2>they don't offer manuals. What were you benchmarking in this segment?

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was outside the segment. What sort of cars

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 2>were you driving and saying we need to beat that?

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 3>So and this is true.

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<v Speaker 4>I think for any product planner, right when we talk

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 4>about competitive sets, there can be different competitive sets depending

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 4>on where you're trying to benchmark. So I think when

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 4>you look at a total vehicle, like, okay, what's the

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 4>price point where it is in the segment? You know,

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 4>the cars that you just mentioned, the S three, the

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 4>M two thirty five I, the CLA thirty five, those

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 4>types of small premium sedan performance vehicles are a clear

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 4>kind of competitive set for this car. But yeah, I'll

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 4>be honest to say that we're obviously aware of, you know,

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 4>things like the golf are and other products that could

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 4>be cross shopped in that type of segment. With that said,

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 4>kind of going full circle back to you know why

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 4>we did the manual only is because again that makes

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 4>this car stand out in that segment. Again, there's clearly

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 4>people that want DCT, but you know, if they're looking

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 4>for a manual, they kind of have to come to us.

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I have a question about the sound in the Type

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>S versus the Type R. Our sound level meter finds

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>virtually no difference between a Type S and a Type R.

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>But the human ear is not a sound level meters.

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, why are they so different to our ears?

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 3>Really good question.

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 4>I own an Integrat Type S and so I've now

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 4>obviously outside of the development, like I live with it now,

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 4>and so what I can say is that in the

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 4>Civic Type R, I feel like you get a lot

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 4>more induction noise, a lot more noise from the intake.

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 3>It almost feels like.

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 4>It's coming from the front of the vehicle. And I

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 4>love that because that's also just total Honda, right. It

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 4>just you know, rips and screams like the Hondas of

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 4>the eighties and the nineties exactly.

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 1>That's like an NSX thing. You just hear it inside

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the car.

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Right, Whereas Integra Type BEST.

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 4>Not that you don't get some of those noises, but

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 4>one of the key development areas for the car was

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 4>the exhaust, and we wanted it to sound raw and aggressive,

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:23.719
<v Speaker 4>and you know that's why it's got those you know,

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 4>berbals and pops and things like that. And so I

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 4>feel like you're getting a lot more of that coming

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 4>from the rear of the vehicle versus the intake and

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 4>induction noise from the front of the vehicle, and like

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 4>to your point, from maybe a pure decibel standpoint, they're

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 4>not different, but where the sounds coming from and what

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 4>you're hearing is quite different between the two.

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Cars, Jonathan, I wanted to get back to something you

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 2>were saying. In evaluating and putting together the competitive set

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 2>for this car, most of those cars are all wheel drive,

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and Accura has a great and evolving super handling all

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:02.719
<v Speaker 2>wheel drive system. Was there any thought given to making

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 2>this at least optionally all wheel.

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:09.959
<v Speaker 4>Drive from a development standpoint, No, But your point is valid.

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 4>You know, as we look across the segment, we recognize

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 4>that it's either optional its standard, and we also recognize

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 4>again there's a lot of people that just want it

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 4>because you know, if you're in inclement weather you've got

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 4>a ton of snow, that's obviously a thing. But at

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 4>the same time, knowing what our chassis was capable of,

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 4>knowing the platform that we were utilizing, it wouldn't have

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 4>made a lot of sense to try to tear that

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 4>up just to add an all will drive. Look, I

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:34.959
<v Speaker 4>tell people, they'll go, hey, you know, because they say, oh,

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 4>the Integra type I should have been a manual and

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 4>should have been all will drive I go.

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 3>We got a car like that. It's called the TLX it.

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Rips Jonathan, you own an integer type S when you're

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>in it, is there one particular part of the car

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>that you're proud of that you worked on, that you

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>fought for.

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Oof, that's a tough one.

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot, you know, I think, because you know,

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 4>the vehicle development is several years, right, so there's there's

0:32:58.000 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 4>a lot of ways.

0:32:58.840 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 3>A lot of losses.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah, blood, sweat and tears. But yeah, when

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 4>I drive it, I'm just happy it exists. And you know,

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 4>the acceleration is really strong. But this car is about

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 4>so much more than just sort of numbers or raw performance.

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 4>It's a little Miata like in that sense where it's

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 4>about driver feel and driver feedback.

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And did you have to fight for that? Did you

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>have to say, you know what, the numbers aren't important here? Absolutely?

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 4>And again I feel like, you know, some customers are

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 4>enthusiasts in general.

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 3>They're so quick to write off cars.

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<v Speaker 4>If de Zerto sixty is not three suconds and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that's just not what this car is about. I tell

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<v Speaker 4>people all the time, I'm like, just get in it

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<v Speaker 4>and drive it and then come back and let me

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<v Speaker 4>know what you think. And there's just this joy, right,

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<v Speaker 4>there's this joy with like the connected feel. The steering

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<v Speaker 4>is a great way. The ergonomics are good, Like that's

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<v Speaker 4>very important. I think that gets overlooked a lot, Like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, are you sitting in the right position? Can

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<v Speaker 4>you heal and tow All these things kind of come

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<v Speaker 4>together with like the position, the steering way, the chassis balance,

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<v Speaker 4>The power's good, the sounds good.

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<v Speaker 3>The audio is really good.

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's there's just all these things that kind of

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 4>accumulate together to create this really like awesome driving experience

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 4>that again, it just doesn't come through inspects and numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know, moving forward, every va in the world

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<v Speaker 4>is going to be faster than this car in a

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<v Speaker 4>straight line, but it won't matter, Like this car will

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<v Speaker 4>still be special, right, And that's what we tried to create.

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<v Speaker 1>So you mentioned a little bit about the exhaust system.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the Honda folks envious of the Accura's exhaust And

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<v Speaker 1>is that because the Accura is basically just for our

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<v Speaker 1>market and so you could get away with a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit larder exhaust.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you nailed it on the head. So the Civic

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<v Speaker 4>Type are being a global product and having to adhere

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<v Speaker 4>to other stricter sound regulations, particular in Europe, and that

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<v Speaker 4>did at some level limit maybe what they could do.

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<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, you know, here's a little

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 4>side story. Early on in development, I actually owned a

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<v Speaker 4>Focus RS.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh great car.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it was fun. It was a good car.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you swap out the dampers?

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to?

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<v Speaker 1>That was way too So that's one of the stiffest

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<v Speaker 1>cars ever.

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<v Speaker 4>And then it had a button to make it even stifferent, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it was like, who does that?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>So, but I tell you what I bought that car.

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<v Speaker 4>Admittedly I had a very ulterior motive, right, and it

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 4>was to push our development engineers. I actually gave the

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<v Speaker 4>chief engineer the Integra type ass. He came out to

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<v Speaker 4>La We're early on in development. I said, hey, take

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.279
<v Speaker 4>this car for a spin, you know, I just got this.

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 4>And he came back and he's like laughing. He goes,

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<v Speaker 4>he goes, what kind of exhaust did you put on this?

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<v Speaker 4>I go, nope, that's factory I go, this is what

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:41.240
<v Speaker 4>it's He was in complete disbelief, but that really changed

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 4>some things. He went back to Japan, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>then they started benchmarking that and like the M two

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 4>and all these cars that have these burbos and crackles,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're like, this is what people like.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, yes to me, there's such a great

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<v Speaker 2>refinement in the ride on the its and that's a

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<v Speaker 2>dark art And how did you figure that out?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>It was funny because you know, like I said about

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 4>just the overall planning of this versus something like the

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 4>civic type bar, we knew what direction they were going in,

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 4>and not that it's a bad direction at all, Like

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 4>that car is what it is. It's meant for track.

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 4>It's got the crazy bucket seats for track. It's got

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 4>the very stiff yet compliant, you know, suspension set up

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 4>for track duty. And so we knew our concept was

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 4>to be this ultimate canyon carving like street performer. So

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 4>for us, it was about how do we like make

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.919
<v Speaker 4>this car livable on a daily basis, but yet still

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 4>be totally capable of handling like Mulholland or you know,

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 4>the Ortega Highway or just some crazy canyon blast. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>Could you take any one of our type best models

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<v Speaker 4>to the track?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you could.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why they got big brimbo breaks. You know, they've

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<v Speaker 4>got summer tires, they've got turbo engines and lots of power.

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<v Speaker 4>We knew the buyer was going to be maybe a

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 4>little bit older, maybe has some kids. Maybe you want

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 4>to use it, you know, take real usage of that,

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 4>like extra utility, and so we knew you couldn't have

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 4>this ultra stiff suspension setting, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we sort of see him as under forty over forty. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what camp I'm in, Yeah, exactly. Likewise, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for giving me away, Tony. Yeah, I'm just a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about yourself. What was a dreamcar when you were

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<v Speaker 1>growing up.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm from Michigan, so I loved like a Dodge Viper

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<v Speaker 4>Man those like a Dodge Viper GTS the blue with

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 4>the white racing stripes, like I had that poster on

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 4>my wall growing up. But I tell you what for me,

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 4>when I was eighteen, that was the first time I

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 4>learned to really drive stick shift And it was on

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 4>my cousin's nineteen ninety eight accurate Integra GSR Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 3>It was total nineties.

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<v Speaker 4>That dark green you know what I've talked about, that

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 4>dark green with beige interior. But you know, I had

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:51.240
<v Speaker 4>tried to drive some of my friends like fox Body

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.760
<v Speaker 4>Mustangs and some Camaros that you know, were manuals and Italy.

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't very good at it. I was stalling.

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 4>It was just it wasn't fun, right, And so then finally, I,

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, my cousin was crazy enough to let me

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<v Speaker 4>drive his car. And okay, I struggle at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 4>but after five minutes, all of a sudden, it became

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<v Speaker 4>fun and I loved it, and yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was sold after that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then got to ask this question, what was your

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<v Speaker 2>first car? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Does anyone ever want to say that? Let alad on

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 4>a podcast with a car and driver. But you can

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<v Speaker 4>you decline to answer if you want, no, no, I'll say

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<v Speaker 4>it was a Mercury Cougar.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey.

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<v Speaker 4>I tried to spice it up as much as I

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 4>put some wheels on it, whatever else.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was my first ride. So hey, there's worse.

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<v Speaker 2>People were excited about that when it came out.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a cool car? Was it was Monday oh coop?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, not a bad Verse car. Thank you so much, Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so great to be with you and to

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<v Speaker 2>get your take on what really was happening behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you for all that you do and thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for being with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah or he is a pleasure talking to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Jonathan, Hey, thanks to both of you, thanks for having

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<v Speaker 4>us and yeah forward, we'll have to go for a

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<v Speaker 4>cruise Sunday, so absolutely we'll take you about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And be sure to tune into next week's episode where

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