1
00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,320
Speaker 1: Manal had finally done it. With the release of Falta

2
00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,480
Speaker 1: Mode in nineteen ninety. They became the most talked about

3
00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,200
Speaker 1: rock band in Mexico and started to gain traction outside

4
00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:12,880
Speaker 1: their homeland.

5
00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,080
Speaker 2: They paid their dues in the underground, got dropped from

6
00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,720
Speaker 2: three separate labels, and had two bandmates call it quicks

7
00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,520
Speaker 2: before finally finding their home at Warner Music Mexico.

8
00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,560
Speaker 1: The road had been long and bumpy. After a decade

9
00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,440
Speaker 1: of reduction, they were now in demand for concert bookings

10
00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,320
Speaker 1: and TV ad campaigns to the tune of millions of dollars.

11
00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,800
Speaker 2: Wow. Manna had gone this long without a manager, but

12
00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,000
Speaker 2: big deals meant big risks, and they needed someone to

13
00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,200
Speaker 2: make sure they got big rewards.

14
00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,960
Speaker 1: And that's when another member of Mana decided.

15
00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,920
Speaker 3: To leave the group to become the band's manager. Because

16
00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,400
Speaker 3: nobody in the right mind would dip after getting million dollar.

17
00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,560
Speaker 1: Offers, wouldn't you know it. The one to step away

18
00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,360
Speaker 1: from the artistic side of things was Gayerros, one of

19
00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,280
Speaker 1: the three founding brothers of Sombrero Verde, one of whom

20
00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,759
Speaker 1: had called it quits just before man Not popped off.

21
00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,000
Speaker 2: This meant yet another lineup change, bringing my not down

22
00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:17,800
Speaker 2: to just two founding members, Ferrolvera and Juan Caerros. Yes, Joseph,

23
00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,000
Speaker 2: there's something we forgot to do last time.

24
00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,959
Speaker 1: Oh wait, you're right, Okay, you know it's different covering

25
00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,039
Speaker 1: a band, all right, Sometimes the lead guy isn't clear

26
00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,280
Speaker 1: till later. And we're talking, of course about fer Olvera

27
00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,040
Speaker 1: born December eighth, nineteen fifty nine.

28
00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,720
Speaker 2: A sage son, the first one this season. Can you

29
00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,920
Speaker 2: believe the challenge for this sage is to seek their

30
00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,280
Speaker 2: own sense of authority, learning from the role models without

31
00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:46,480
Speaker 2: copying them.

32
00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,840
Speaker 1: Police exactly admire Sting, but don't try to be Sting.

33
00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,680
Speaker 2: This is not a person who's here for the drama.

34
00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,559
Speaker 2: Trust is key, and respect comes before loyalty. But only

35
00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,920
Speaker 2: by staying true to who you are inside? Can you

36
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,840
Speaker 2: be a leader who can send that trust flowing both

37
00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,600
Speaker 2: ways and set yourself up to do good for the world?

38
00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,800
Speaker 1: Fed on Veda's desire to do just that was clear

39
00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,880
Speaker 1: enough from the name of the band, mana good energy.

40
00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,600
Speaker 1: The bread that falls from heaven.

41
00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,360
Speaker 2: Maybe a bit cocky too, though, like where God's gift

42
00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,120
Speaker 2: to Earth, I mean.

43
00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,400
Speaker 1: A little cocky, but still, if Manah was making bread,

44
00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,240
Speaker 1: listeners were eating it. The band would never stray musically

45
00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,040
Speaker 1: from that good vibes heal the world energy, making for

46
00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,000
Speaker 1: two of their biggest albums.

47
00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,120
Speaker 2: But good vibes can't always cover up bad blood.

48
00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm your host Lilianavosquez and I'm Joseph Carrio and this

49
00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,600
Speaker 1: is Becoming an icon a weekly podcast where we give

50
00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,040
Speaker 1: you the rundown on how today's most famous latinv stars

51
00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,880
Speaker 1: have shaped pop culture.

52
00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,000
Speaker 3: And given the world an extra lebble.

53
00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,840
Speaker 1: Sit back and get comfortable.

54
00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,560
Speaker 3: Because we are going in the only way we know how,

55
00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,640
Speaker 3: with buenas bida, buenas riesas mchies, and a lot of

56
00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,400
Speaker 3: opinions as we relive their greatest achievements on our journey

57
00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,880
Speaker 3: to find out what makes them so iconic.

58
00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,520
Speaker 1: So we're back to the early nineties. Lisi's the former guitarist,

59
00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,040
Speaker 1: is now managing the band, and in this place comes

60
00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,040
Speaker 1: Cessa and Vampidro Lopez, so named for his nocturnal sleeping pattern.

61
00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,320
Speaker 2: Vampido would sleep all day and wake up in the

62
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,920
Speaker 2: late afternoon early evening and go straight to playing his guitar.

63
00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,240
Speaker 3: Big older brother who never leaves his room vibes.

64
00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,600
Speaker 1: At first, Vambido was brought in to fill in at

65
00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,200
Speaker 1: a few concerts. When he was formally invited to join

66
00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,840
Speaker 1: the band, he hemmed and hawed.

67
00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,880
Speaker 2: That's because Vampido had his own thing going on, a

68
00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,720
Speaker 2: band called Boleta.

69
00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,440
Speaker 1: Isn't it cute when musicians think they can do their

70
00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,040
Speaker 1: own thing.

71
00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,800
Speaker 3: Right, like join the band that's getting coin and do

72
00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:10,560
Speaker 3: your thing later.

73
00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,680
Speaker 1: At first, Van Beetle did actually play in both bands,

74
00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,840
Speaker 1: but as Manak continued to blow up, got the sombretto

75
00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:19,599
Speaker 1: vert of the treatment.

76
00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,279
Speaker 2: Why are all these bands color coded? It's like giving

77
00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,560
Speaker 2: peewee football team.

78
00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:30,000
Speaker 1: Or Cela superhero. Oh anyway, Vombido became a fan favorite

79
00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,640
Speaker 1: band member. At live shows, Fair cued his fiery guitar

80
00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,880
Speaker 1: solos with the iconic shout atro.

81
00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,440
Speaker 3: I was just telling you how you said it. Thank you.

82
00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,960
Speaker 3: But if any of the rock bands in the show

83
00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,760
Speaker 3: have taught us anything, it's that band members come and go.

84
00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,800
Speaker 1: Except for us, we're forever and ever and Yeah, don't

85
00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,720
Speaker 1: get too attached to Vampido or the new keyboards who

86
00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,200
Speaker 1: was brought in along with him, Ivan Gonzalez.

87
00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,040
Speaker 3: I don't even really like rock, and I know not

88
00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:00,800
Speaker 3: to get attached to.

89
00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,839
Speaker 1: The keyboardist Still, this lineup would be crystallized in Manna's

90
00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,080
Speaker 1: first album to debut in the Billboard Top ten, nineteen

91
00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,120
Speaker 1: ninety two's De Who Got On Those Ninos? Where Would

92
00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:11,880
Speaker 1: the Children Play?

93
00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,360
Speaker 2: The titles giving Bleeding Heart, Sade Energy, and.

94
00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,360
Speaker 3: This album gives bleeding Heart for the days.

95
00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,599
Speaker 1: It's giving a heart that's getting transfusions in real time

96
00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,760
Speaker 1: just so it can keep on bleeding for its entire

97
00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,880
Speaker 1: fifty warm in net runs geez don. De Who Got

98
00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,560
Speaker 1: On Those Ninos was recorded at the late Great Devonshire

99
00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,760
Speaker 1: Sound Studio in Hollywood, and the artists who've recorded here

100
00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,000
Speaker 1: run the gamut from Billy Joel Bing, Crosby and the

101
00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,640
Speaker 1: Jackson's to Nirvana, Suicidal Tendencies, Green Day and Ozzy Osborne.

102
00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,400
Speaker 2: Uh I wonder where math Nah falls on this very

103
00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,320
Speaker 2: wide spectrum.

104
00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,000
Speaker 1: Well, look no further than the most iconic song on

105
00:05:54,040 --> 00:06:00,480
Speaker 1: the album, Oh Yeah Memore, an aching nineties power that

106
00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,000
Speaker 1: caused a phenomenon in Mexico.

107
00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:03,600
Speaker 3: Yo.

108
00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,800
Speaker 2: If you were a teen girl in Mexico in the nineties,

109
00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,200
Speaker 2: someone at some point either sang you this song, gave

110
00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,080
Speaker 2: you a cassette tape of them singing it, or played

111
00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:13,920
Speaker 2: it outside your window.

112
00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:14,640
Speaker 3: Like John Cusack.

113
00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,159
Speaker 1: Basically, if you saw the Barbie movie, it was like

114
00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,880
Speaker 1: the song that all the Kens sing around the fire.

115
00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,280
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it is.

116
00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,920
Speaker 1: Pop quiz Joseph, damn you what? I hope you drank

117
00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,920
Speaker 1: your coffee and went on your run and did your

118
00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,200
Speaker 1: hot girl walk because your brain needs to be sharp

119
00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,479
Speaker 1: for this one. When was the first time you fell

120
00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,039
Speaker 1: in love with Oya maamore? And do you remember where

121
00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:39,360
Speaker 1: you were?

122
00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was smoking a cigarette. I do

123
00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,919
Speaker 2: remember that. And I was at this place.

124
00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,400
Speaker 3: It was called Barbadou in Houades, and I remember everybody

125
00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,919
Speaker 3: knew the song but me, and I felt so stupid

126
00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,400
Speaker 3: because it's so catchy.

127
00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,360
Speaker 1: It's the catchiest, it's so catchy.

128
00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,560
Speaker 2: And I just felt so stupid because then I felt

129
00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,719
Speaker 2: like I was so unfessa and I felt poor, ugly

130
00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:01,360
Speaker 2: and fat.

131
00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,479
Speaker 1: That's all, okay, First all, you are none of those things.

132
00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,039
Speaker 1: You've never been any of those things. And I will

133
00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,280
Speaker 1: say this to you. One of my biggest regrets in

134
00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,520
Speaker 1: life is that you and I did not know each

135
00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,000
Speaker 1: other during your watt Is days, because we would have

136
00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,400
Speaker 1: had a time buff.

137
00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,000
Speaker 2: Like no, honestly, we would have had We used to

138
00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,760
Speaker 2: cut out little like boards and make them of our

139
00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,440
Speaker 2: hottest nights and just have like a board like I

140
00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,760
Speaker 2: guess how you would imagine a vision board like a

141
00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,320
Speaker 2: scrap book, but like posters of our outings and cigarette

142
00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,480
Speaker 2: butts and like Coria.

143
00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,160
Speaker 1: And what was the cover art for on your on

144
00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,119
Speaker 1: your vision board?

145
00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:40,840
Speaker 3: From what? I didn't?

146
00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,240
Speaker 2: Dare you no? Because you know since since it was

147
00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,400
Speaker 2: made in ninety two. This is also like I think

148
00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,960
Speaker 2: I was in what is Like in ninety nine? So

149
00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:48,760
Speaker 2: so where were you?

150
00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,040
Speaker 1: So I was not familiar with the song when it

151
00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,840
Speaker 1: came out because I think maybe a little different than you.

152
00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,400
Speaker 1: I didn't really listen to a lot of Mexican pop

153
00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,440
Speaker 1: rock or rock, and we're not going to get into

154
00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,400
Speaker 1: that argument. When I was in high school, I didn't

155
00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,960
Speaker 1: really listen to any Spanish music that was not driven

156
00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,360
Speaker 1: by my parents until I went to college. Oh wow,

157
00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,200
Speaker 1: so similar timeline. I heard the song in college. I

158
00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,200
Speaker 1: was in DuPont Circle in Washington, d C. At a

159
00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,280
Speaker 1: gay club, and yeah, and it came on and I was.

160
00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,240
Speaker 3: At a straight club, so what the fuzz?

161
00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,720
Speaker 1: I know, we should have such places and the crowd

162
00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,680
Speaker 1: went wild. Now this is also a club that had

163
00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,040
Speaker 1: a big Latino presence because DC is a super international city.

164
00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,960
Speaker 1: But you know, this song is really forever just one

165
00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,520
Speaker 1: of those guilty pleasures like I'm talking like drive by Incubus,

166
00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,320
Speaker 1: the reason by who was stank? I mean anything from

167
00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,520
Speaker 1: Matchbox twenty. It falls for me right in line with

168
00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,640
Speaker 1: those songs catchy and cute.

169
00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,520
Speaker 3: But I'm not roud. Sorry, mind blown. I'm mind blown

170
00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,480
Speaker 3: with that comparison.

171
00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,200
Speaker 1: But it's not to say that there was nothing on

172
00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,160
Speaker 1: the album to recall Mina's roots. The song moved They

173
00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,079
Speaker 1: would emerge as a soft nineties counterculture anthem where Alex

174
00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,640
Speaker 1: the drummer takes a mic to sing about wearing his

175
00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,720
Speaker 1: hair long and listening to what he likes to.

176
00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,760
Speaker 2: Listen to and checking that Sagittarius Box might not also

177
00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,760
Speaker 2: released vv T Scene Ida, an environmental anthem that asks

178
00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,600
Speaker 2: what would it be like to live in a world

179
00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,559
Speaker 2: where their air is unbreathable?

180
00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,840
Speaker 3: Like tell me how I'm supposed to breathe with no air?

181
00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,880
Speaker 1: Vv Scene Idea would earn the MTV Latino Video Music

182
00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,640
Speaker 1: Award for Video of the Year, and that was just

183
00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,600
Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg.

184
00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,280
Speaker 2: Don Deinos would debut at number four on the Billboard

185
00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,480
Speaker 2: Latin chart and stay on the chart for ninety seven weeks.

186
00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,960
Speaker 2: Over the years, the album would sell ten million copies,

187
00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,680
Speaker 2: making it the best selling album in the history of

188
00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,679
Speaker 2: Spanish language rock and that.

189
00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,960
Speaker 1: MTV Video Award winning video. It helped Mana break through

190
00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,080
Speaker 1: in Argentina and Spain, tool markets that are typically not

191
00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,280
Speaker 1: so friendly to outsiders, and two stops on Mana's biggest tour,

192
00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,160
Speaker 1: yette A two hundred and sixty eight night World Tour.

193
00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,360
Speaker 3: I am tired just thinking of that.

194
00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:17,840
Speaker 1: Shiz Mana were officially a global force, well beyond the

195
00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,640
Speaker 1: confines in their home country and a far cry from

196
00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,520
Speaker 1: the repressed of CD bars of yr, but that didn't

197
00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,080
Speaker 1: mean they were beyond rock star Shenanigans or sudden bandmate exits.

198
00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,920
Speaker 1: In April and nineteen ninety four, A van Bidel decided

199
00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,360
Speaker 1: to disappear.

200
00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,200
Speaker 2: In the middle of the world tour, and on top

201
00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,080
Speaker 2: of that, he said, I'm taking the keyboardings.

202
00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,680
Speaker 1: Why do you sound exactly like Jennifer Coolidge right? So

203
00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:54,480
Speaker 1: many skills?

204
00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,520
Speaker 3: Vampido and the keyboardist Yvon Gonzalez demanded that they get

205
00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,360
Speaker 3: a share of the song raining credits and royalties from

206
00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,520
Speaker 3: the album that put Manna on top of the world.

207
00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,240
Speaker 1: Gossip shows also speculated that the two upstart bandmates were

208
00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,640
Speaker 1: just plain sick of fair Olvera the fame had got

209
00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:18,000
Speaker 1: into his head too, claims which at the time were hearsaide,

210
00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,600
Speaker 1: but which the guitarist would later back up. He said,

211
00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,120
Speaker 1: you spend so much time with people. You're young and

212
00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,040
Speaker 1: don't know how to set your limits, and any insignificant

213
00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,640
Speaker 1: thing becomes big. So there came a point where none

214
00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,280
Speaker 1: of us could stand each other and we needed a break.

215
00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,319
Speaker 2: It's Santana all over again. Why can't these boys keep

216
00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:36,800
Speaker 2: it together?

217
00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,240
Speaker 1: Olivea and drummer Alex Gonzalez refused to meet their bandmates demands,

218
00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,119
Speaker 1: and so in the middle of an international tour, Vampido

219
00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,160
Speaker 1: and Evonne split.

220
00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,600
Speaker 2: So, for those keeping track, we've gone through a drummer,

221
00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,880
Speaker 2: a guitarist, another guitarist, and a keyboardist.

222
00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,360
Speaker 1: To save the tour, the band would call in a

223
00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,240
Speaker 1: couple of favors from some old friends original so they're

224
00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,160
Speaker 1: the guitarists Gustavo Rosco and Shila Rios, the.

225
00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,680
Speaker 2: Lady rocker who linked the band with Beppa Hollywood. Together,

226
00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,719
Speaker 2: the quintet finished out the.

227
00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,200
Speaker 1: Tour but their old friends would be invited as permanent members.

228
00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,480
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, wouldn't you want Hila in the band like

229
00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,760
Speaker 3: she made you? Yeah?

230
00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,280
Speaker 1: But she could have had other things going on. Maybe

231
00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,120
Speaker 1: she was playing in another band, right.

232
00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,400
Speaker 3: So Sheila left to continue playing with Naranka, Lambara or whatever,

233
00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,800
Speaker 3: and after the tour laps.

234
00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,080
Speaker 1: Fair, Alex and Juan launch a worldwide search for a

235
00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,320
Speaker 1: new guitarist. Over eighty guitarists from Mexico, Chile, Argentina and

236
00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,000
Speaker 1: the US audition, but none of them seem like the

237
00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:43,520
Speaker 1: right fit.

238
00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,920
Speaker 2: So the band calls up who else, Beppa Hollywood, who

239
00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,640
Speaker 2: gets on the phone with Luis Miguel's guitarist, Quiko Cebrian.

240
00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,440
Speaker 1: The guitarist Kiko Sebrian didn't know anyone offhand, but he

241
00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,080
Speaker 1: said some Mirando had just come by and dropped off

242
00:12:59,080 --> 00:12:59,839
Speaker 1: a cassette demo.

243
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,120
Speaker 3: Maybe he's good, uh promising?

244
00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,720
Speaker 1: So Geegle sends the tape to Beppa Hollywood, whose name

245
00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,640
Speaker 1: is Bepe Kindana by the way, in case anyone forgot,

246
00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,160
Speaker 1: We're just joking here, and Bepe listens in the car

247
00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,160
Speaker 1: on the way to work.

248
00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,240
Speaker 3: Cars had tape decks back then. See Liliana, I do

249
00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,360
Speaker 3: not about cars.

250
00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,720
Speaker 1: By the way, you take ubers all the time. You

251
00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,680
Speaker 1: never ride the subway. Of course you know about cars. Okay,

252
00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,640
Speaker 1: back to the tape, Beppa Hollywood hears an extremely versatile

253
00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,920
Speaker 1: guitar is playing everything from bossa nova to heavy metal.

254
00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,240
Speaker 2: He calls our leading man, fed Or Vetta and says,

255
00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,760
Speaker 2: do you know what that sound you've been looking for?

256
00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,840
Speaker 3: Well, listen to this.

257
00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,800
Speaker 1: He puts the phone up to the speaker and gives

258
00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,040
Speaker 1: Phair a listen, and Fair says.

259
00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,560
Speaker 3: Thanks, I hate it.

260
00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,840
Speaker 1: Brutal Bebbe, disappointed, takes the tape into his office and

261
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,600
Speaker 1: tosses it in the slush pile, a box of rejected

262
00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,000
Speaker 1: demos that are ultimately bound for the dump truck.

263
00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,120
Speaker 2: Where they'll reenact the end of Toy Story three, but

264
00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,200
Speaker 2: with music in setatois.

265
00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,400
Speaker 1: Okay, wait stop, don't make me cry on the mic. Okay,

266
00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,360
Speaker 1: that's like not cool.

267
00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,800
Speaker 3: Sorry boo. Anyway, the search for the guitarist goes a

268
00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,520
Speaker 3: lot like their search for the drummer back in Simbreo

269
00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:13,280
Speaker 3: Veda the era.

270
00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,800
Speaker 1: Aka impossible demands make for a totally fruitless search, and

271
00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,520
Speaker 1: one day Fair calls up Bepan and says, screw it.

272
00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,840
Speaker 1: Let's go with the guy from the tape.

273
00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,720
Speaker 2: FML and Bebba Hollywood has a full on panic attack.

274
00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,080
Speaker 3: He rummages around the reject.

275
00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,840
Speaker 1: Box, digging through the trash.

276
00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,840
Speaker 2: He does eighty on the mayback and races home to

277
00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:43,560
Speaker 2: turn his home office upside down looking for this damn tape.

278
00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,880
Speaker 1: And finally he finds it, presumably after chucking the tape

279
00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,160
Speaker 1: in the rejects box. After showing it to Fair, he

280
00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,720
Speaker 1: had a moment of better judgment.

281
00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,120
Speaker 2: This is the guy who went to bat form Na

282
00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,400
Speaker 2: in the first place. After all, Bebba Hollywood does have

283
00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:55,840
Speaker 2: an ear.

284
00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,480
Speaker 1: And after Bebbe played the tape for other members of monot,

285
00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,680
Speaker 1: it was decided the band would welcome its new permanent guitarist,

286
00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,480
Speaker 1: sedjil Vai, and.

287
00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,920
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five, the definitive Mana lineup debuted with

288
00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,360
Speaker 2: the album Guandoos Angeles Joran When Angels Cry.

289
00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,040
Speaker 1: Mana's third album with Warner Music Mexico was yet another

290
00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,240
Speaker 1: worldwide success, and it even led to their state side breakthrough.

291
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:30,000
Speaker 3: The band played seventeen sold out shows in Boston, d C, Atlanta, Chicago,

292
00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,840
Speaker 3: New York, Miami, and Moore. The anglosphere took notice.

293
00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,359
Speaker 1: The Rolling Stone time, and people covered the tour extensively.

294
00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,880
Speaker 1: On top of that, Francis Ford Coppola tapped the band

295
00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,480
Speaker 1: for a film soundtrack of Smielski uh huh, and the

296
00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,120
Speaker 1: band was invited to play on the first tribute album

297
00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,400
Speaker 1: to led Zeppelin and Comium alongside several American artists.

298
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,240
Speaker 2: Mana were Rock Royalty, which would soon put them in

299
00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:14,240
Speaker 2: contact with actual royalty.

300
00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,040
Speaker 1: Joseph, do you follow the royals?

301
00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Kind of, I too, well?

302
00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,000
Speaker 1: Which royals I should probably specify? Do you follow like

303
00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,080
Speaker 1: the British royal.

304
00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,160
Speaker 3: The British, the Spanish, the Danish?

305
00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,600
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, got it okay, so said Japanese, all of

306
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,240
Speaker 1: the royals.

307
00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,160
Speaker 3: I do, every royal actually.

308
00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,480
Speaker 1: Except for the baseball team anyway. The Spanish royal family

309
00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,600
Speaker 1: is made up of King Philippe, the sixth, Queen Leticia

310
00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,040
Speaker 1: and their children Leonor and Infanta Sophia. But in nineteen

311
00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,360
Speaker 1: ninety seven, long before any of that royal biz, Leticia

312
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,720
Speaker 1: was a journalist for CNN living in Guadalajara. Excuse me,

313
00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,880
Speaker 1: that is some compass. You were a reporter.

314
00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,960
Speaker 2: I noticed story like I would do a story on

315
00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,280
Speaker 2: her because that's just so She has the best blow up.

316
00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,600
Speaker 3: She is the original making marcoll that's all.

317
00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:02,160
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

318
00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,720
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, okay, did she interview Mana?

319
00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,320
Speaker 1: She did, indeed, back in the nineties. Fair in twenty

320
00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,280
Speaker 1: eleven recalled that Lithicia was a tough interviewer.

321
00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,119
Speaker 3: I know one trusts me.

322
00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,880
Speaker 1: So she began her sit down with the band smoking

323
00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,000
Speaker 1: a cig and Fair ticked her off by asking her

324
00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,480
Speaker 1: to put it out. After that, her questions became noticeably

325
00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,320
Speaker 1: tougher YO.

326
00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,800
Speaker 2: Don't know what to get between a bitch and her

327
00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,240
Speaker 2: nicoteen honey.

328
00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,720
Speaker 1: Not an endorsement for smoking, but facts. After the interview, however,

329
00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,480
Speaker 1: Lithicia and the band went out for a few threats, and,

330
00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,880
Speaker 1: unbeknownst to the public until many years later, she and

331
00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,560
Speaker 1: Fair had a brief relationship. But wait, that's not the

332
00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,480
Speaker 1: jusiest part.

333
00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,240
Speaker 3: O my spe spell stell spell spell Okay.

334
00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,879
Speaker 1: So years later, in two thousand and three, Lithicsia officially

335
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,320
Speaker 1: became a part of the royal family with her marriage

336
00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,520
Speaker 1: to Felippe. And that's when the listening public took a

337
00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,639
Speaker 1: good hard look at the cover of Mana's nineteen ninety

338
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:14,320
Speaker 1: seven albums Liquid Dreams Like the Otown song if you

339
00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,680
Speaker 1: know you know who I do know? All right, whatever,

340
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,919
Speaker 1: Let's keep it moving featured a funny, in hindsight scandalous

341
00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,040
Speaker 1: at the time portrayal of a fore armed, topless mermaid

342
00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,840
Speaker 1: who looks suspiciously like Leticia lurs Rocslano, the now Queen

343
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:33,840
Speaker 1: of Spain.

344
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,720
Speaker 3: Dude, Like, but but does this proof?

345
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at a side by side

346
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,639
Speaker 1: of said woman on the cover, La Mermaid and Lidicia.

347
00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, there's a lot of similarity.

348
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,760
Speaker 3: Wow, wow, wow, I'm kind of like that's juice.

349
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,480
Speaker 1: Okay, And by the way, to settle the debate, the

350
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,520
Speaker 1: woman depicted on the cover is in fact Leticia Ortiz,

351
00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,159
Speaker 1: but Waite Joseph. She did not get all nakey for

352
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,000
Speaker 1: the cover. She didn't even.

353
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 3: Pose for it. Okay. Is this AI in the nineties?

354
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,159
Speaker 1: Basically yes, but a little different. So the artist who

355
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 1: painted the cover was actually friends with Lithicia and used

356
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,440
Speaker 1: her as a reference. After Lithsa's engagement to the Prince

357
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,919
Speaker 1: of Astutias was announced, the painter shared that he had

358
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 1: gone through a bit of quote unquote Lathinmania and used

359
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,760
Speaker 1: her as reference for several paintings.

360
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,160
Speaker 2: So the Queen of Spain didn't have a full Jack

361
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 2: and Rose driving like one of your mermaids. Moment was

362
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 2: fed and or this artist. But the relationship did happen, right,

363
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 2: it did, and it.

364
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 1: Goes to show you the prominence of Manna. By the

365
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 1: time we get to the late nineties early offs, the

366
00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 1: band was a household name in the States, throughout Latin

367
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 1: America and in Europe. And they played with another icon

368
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 1: that we actually covered this season. In December of nineteen

369
00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: ninety eight, Fair received a phone call. He picked up

370
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 1: up and a recognizable boy said to him, greeting's wayward traveler.

371
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,919
Speaker 2: I've extended my vibrations to you across the telephonic medium

372
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,160
Speaker 2: as a form of invitation.

373
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 3: I'd like you to join me in connecting the molecules

374
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 3: with the light nad Just kidding. It's Carlo Santana want

375
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 3: a jam.

376
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 1: Just to clarify, Carlos Santana didn't crank all the lead

377
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 1: singer of Mana, but farah Veda did think he was

378
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 1: being crank called and he hung up the phone.

379
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 3: I would do.

380
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 1: Then Santana called him back to say, no, dude, like

381
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: I really am gardless Santana.

382
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 3: And that's how Mana appeared on nineteen ninety nine Supernatural

383
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 3: on the track Guarason Espionavo, the.

384
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 1: Biggest fan of the Spanish speaking world, linked up with

385
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: a rock and roll legend on what remains one of

386
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: the best selling albums in history. Let's just say that

387
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: Manna were set for life.

388
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 3: Sure, except think about Santana.

389
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 2: In the addo, his longtime fans heard radio friendly hits

390
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: like Smooth and Game Over Love and wondered whether this

391
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: was the same something out that rocked Woodstock and in.

392
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 1: Mexico, rock fans couldn't escape Oh Yemiamore and other ballads.

393
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: They saw tabloids filled with would be scandals with Spanish royalty,

394
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: and they had to ask, is my not really rock music?

395
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: On the next Becoming an Icon, we're taking a look

396
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: at what the haters have to say and whether Manang

397
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: has stayed in touch with their rock breeks. Becoming an

398
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 1: Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael Gurda podcast network.

399
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: Listen to Becoming an Icon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast,

400
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.