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Speaker 1: we'll talk about Ben Johnson a little bit later. He

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Speaker 1: had a comment today where he's like, we're winning despite

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Speaker 1: But you look at New England, like they can win

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Speaker 1: embrace that the New England Patriots can win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to act they just beat up,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a very very tough place to win.

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Speaker 1: shock me at all if that's the AFC championship game.

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Speaker 1: We used to see that game a lot when it

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Speaker 1: Like that's why I struggle with I can do a

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Speaker 1: Can he be a good head coach? I have no clue,

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Speaker 1: like I Arthur Smith. I mean, these are some of

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Speaker 1: And if I'm Tom and I'm looking around, TJ. Watt's

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Speaker 1: young TJ. Watt. You know this DK metcalf contract. One

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Speaker 1: So you got these huge albatross contracts with players that

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about this. I think the

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Speaker 1: hard thing about football that's different than a lot of industries.

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Speaker 1: If you get into the private sector and you get

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Speaker 1: into the business, there are gonna be times when you

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Speaker 1: have to be a little selfish It's just part of

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Speaker 1: the reality of life. You know that there are times

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Speaker 1: when you have to think about yourself first. And some

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Speaker 1: of our jobs impact less people than others, right. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: if you're the CEO of a company, you impact a

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Speaker 1: lot of individuals. If you play a role on a

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Speaker 1: team or whatever, maybe you impact ten people. If you're

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Speaker 1: the head coach of an NFL team or a college

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Speaker 1: football team, you're talking a lot of human beings. So

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Speaker 1: when you make a quote unquote selfish decision, it impacts

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Speaker 1: other people. And anytime they get impact impacted, they are

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Speaker 1: going to judge your decision whether it's good for them

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Speaker 1: or bad for them. So anytime, and here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: the NFL actually used to have stuff like this happen

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Speaker 1: when I was younger. In the late nineties, Mike Holmgren

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Speaker 1: left the Green Bay Packers to the Seattle Seahawks. They

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Speaker 1: had Brett freaking far of in the prime of his career.

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Speaker 1: You know why, because Seattle paid him a boatload of money.

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Speaker 1: I think at the time it was like five years

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Speaker 1: twenty million dollars average four million dollars a year back

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Speaker 1: in the late nineties. WNU factor in inflation probably a

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Speaker 1: lot of coin. You know. A couple of years later,

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Speaker 1: Al Davis refused to give John Gruden a massive contract

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Speaker 1: like the one that Mike Holmgan got. Guess what happened.

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Speaker 1: He had to trade him to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: who were willing to pay him. And historically a lot

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Speaker 1: of these coaches in college, even in the pros back

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Speaker 1: in the day, would leave a job for money. That

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Speaker 1: is no longer the case in the NFL. Let's use

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Speaker 1: the Rams and the forty nine ers. When Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Shanahan got there, those jobs sucked. They were terrible.

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Speaker 1: Both of them couldn't have been losing anymore that they

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Speaker 1: were just they were an embarrassment. And now eight nine

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Speaker 1: years later, those guys can stay in those jobs forever

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Speaker 1: and they don't need to leave to get more money,

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Speaker 1: to get better opportunities for players like you just stay

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Speaker 1: no different all around, Like Andy Reid never needs to leave,

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Speaker 1: right Mike McDonald the things go well, and see how

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Speaker 1: he's just stay there like you just don't jump around

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Speaker 1: so the day and age, because all these teams have money.

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Speaker 1: If the going rate for you is fifteen million dollars,

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Speaker 1: even Kevin O'Connell felt like, you know, he's like, they

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Speaker 1: might trade for me and the Vikings is given a

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Speaker 1: bunch of money. Yet in college typically you left for

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Speaker 1: two reasons one money. Usually the bigger job paid a

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Speaker 1: lot more. That's no longer the case Kurt Signetti. In

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Speaker 1: the history of the sport, whenever football was in't vetted

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Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds, right, you would never stay

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Speaker 1: in Indiana to not go to Penn State. Ever, no

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Speaker 1: human alive in the history of football up until now

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Speaker 1: would ever make that decision. Yet when Kurt Signetti made

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Speaker 1: that decision, you're like, oh, they gave him ninety three

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Speaker 1: million dollars. I don't even blame him. I want to

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Speaker 1: stay two and he's winning big his team if he

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Speaker 1: beats Ohio State, which is going to be difficult. But

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Speaker 1: if he did this Saturday in Indianapolis, he would be

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Speaker 1: the number one seed in the playoffs. It would be

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Speaker 1: the most remarkable thing I've ever seen. But he literally

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Speaker 1: just did it, and he said, I don't need to

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Speaker 1: go to Penn State. And I do think Lane Kiffin,

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Speaker 1: like the reason you went from Indiana to Penn State

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Speaker 1: was too obviously they'd give you way more money, and

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Speaker 1: two it was just easier to get better players. Well,

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Speaker 1: now with the portal and nil is it, it's obviously

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Speaker 1: you can get better players at Ohio State, in Texas

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Speaker 1: and Oregon, Well, they're paying more money for those guys

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Speaker 1: to go. Why did Lane Kiffin have many people consider

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Speaker 1: one of the best rosters in the country last year

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Speaker 1: at Old Miss. He hasn't played that much because he's

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Speaker 1: been injured. But whenever I look up an Arizona Cardinal

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Speaker 1: game and you see Walter Nolan, You're like, geez, Louise

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Speaker 1: guy's a monster. You know that quarterback that I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would run to that job if I'm Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was Lane Kiffin's quarterback. I think Trey Harris,

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver had a big catch for the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: played at Old Miss. I mean, so the world has

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Speaker 1: really changed, and I think inherently it's hard because coaches,

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Speaker 1: I've always thought it was a little fraudulent in football.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's like the T team can't be selfish. It's the team.

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00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: It's the team. Yet everyone when it comes to jobs

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Speaker 1: is kind of out for themselves, and at least in

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Speaker 1: college football, we kind of acknowledge that everyone's a mercenary coaches, players,

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Speaker 1: and I think the hooplaw and the pushback is like

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Speaker 1: I think the fair question is five years ago, no

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Speaker 1: one even would a questioned even if Lane didn't handle

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Speaker 1: it well. Of course you're going to ole Miss to LSU,

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Speaker 1: and clearly LSU's history compared to ole Miss is not

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Speaker 1: even comparable. LSU has a bigger stadium. I think those

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Speaker 1: people would say it just matters more here and many

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Speaker 1: people woul say it's one of the best jobs in

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Speaker 1: the country. But you could argue that Lane Kiff in

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Speaker 1: these last couple of years has turned ole Miss into

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Speaker 1: one of the best jobs in the country. Now is

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Speaker 1: it because of him? Is it because of the program?

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Speaker 1: We're about to find out. But I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people making these concrete stances about him being selfish,

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Speaker 1: about him not handling it well, Like we've seen this

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Speaker 1: happen over and over and over. Like if you think

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Speaker 1: these college football coaches are consumed with like, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: leaving these guys, it sucks, but like I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: hold the guy's hand through life, Like it's it's not

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Speaker 1: that big a deal. I truly believe that like, it's

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Speaker 1: I think we have acted and I listen. I do

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Speaker 1: think Laye playing the victim card is a little outrageous.

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Speaker 1: You know, they just wouldn't let me coach. I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about this, like he wants his cake and he

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Speaker 1: wants to eat it too. Once you no one's ever

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Speaker 1: got the cake and then not eating it. So it's

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Speaker 1: like I was thinking about that statement. I'm like, am

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Speaker 1: I is that statement kind of stupid? He wants his

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Speaker 1: cake and he wants to eat it too? Well, who

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00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: wants cake and doesn't want to eat it? Like he

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00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: wanted to coach the team, which is understandable, Ole miss,

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Speaker 1: you would be you'd be viewed as the biggest group

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Speaker 1: of loser pussies in the history of sports. If you

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Speaker 1: allowed him to keep coaching. They had no choice. They

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Speaker 1: had to get in packing. Now, when you get every

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Speaker 1: everything you want, whether you're a little kid, whether you're

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Speaker 1: you know in the business you work for, you're like

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Speaker 1: a star employee, and they do everything that you want

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Speaker 1: them to do. That when you finally do hear no,

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Speaker 1: this is not going to be allowed, you don't react, well, right,

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Speaker 1: why because you've lost touch with reality. So I think

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Speaker 1: when Lane's not reacting that well, of course he's not.

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Speaker 1: Ole Miss is done. When Lane said jump for the

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Speaker 1: last six years, they said how high and kind of

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Speaker 1: jump again and for the first time, They're like, this

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Speaker 1: is not going to be allowed. And he knew it,

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Speaker 1: and he kind of turned into a petulant child, which

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00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,239
Speaker 1: he kind of can be. But like I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: sports needs not everyone can be a good guy. You

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00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: need to have some people that piss people off. You

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Speaker 1: need to have some people that move the average fan

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Speaker 1: emotionally to like I can't stand that guy. Sometimes I

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Speaker 1: miss not hating more people in sports, right, because sometimes

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Speaker 1: when you do this for a job, like I don't

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Speaker 1: like just sitting on my couch and being indifferent, Like

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Speaker 1: I kind of like rooting against people and anyone. If

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Speaker 1: you're an Eagle fan, if you're an Alabama fan, if

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Speaker 1: you're whoever, Like it's cool to hate the Cowboys, like

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Speaker 1: I can't stand Jerry Jones, I can't stand Auburn and LSU. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's good emotions and sports. Right. The one team I

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Speaker 1: truly still root against and I just hate is the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: though I hate him a little less with Luca because

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Speaker 1: he's just like he's hard to hate. He's so great.

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Speaker 1: But every time I look down, they're like sixteen and four,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, God, it sucks. They're not going anywhere. I

623
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Speaker 1: was supposed to hate the Dodgers, but it's like, what

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Speaker 1: am I doing? You just kind of tip your hat.

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Speaker 1: I wish I hated more people in sports, even Ryan Day, Like,

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Speaker 1: I like, I gotta he's pretty good, you know, I

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Speaker 1: just got to acknowledge, like he's just kicking everyone's ass.

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Speaker 1: Like what am I gonna hate? Just every single game

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Speaker 1: he's beating someone by twenty or thirty points. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to not like Matt Patricia, but I gotta respect him.

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Speaker 1: He went from college or excuse me, from the pros

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Speaker 1: with Belichick forever, and then it comes to college and

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Speaker 1: I get it. He goes the best pro he starts

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Speaker 1: kicking everyone's ass. Like I respect people's talents and their

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Speaker 1: talents are working. So I've been Ohio State hater, but

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Speaker 1: I might just have to take a gigantic l on

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Speaker 1: that one because if I was a betting man right now,

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00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: I kind of expect them to win the whole thing again.

639
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: You went back to back natties in the NIL era.

640
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: Even if you got a lot of money in your program, Like,

641
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: that's pretty impressive. So the selfish word, I think it's

642
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: like we're all a little selfish. Anyone in business is selfish,

643
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: Like welcome to life. The other thing is Kevin Petola's

644
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: house was egged, and I was thinking, like God, when

645
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: I was young, I used to do a lot of tepeeing.

646
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: There was probably under five, but there were definitely some

647
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: homes egged. And like that is when you're egging someone's home,

648
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: it's typically someone that you want to feel like we

649
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: hate you. Like that is a double middle finger like

650
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: kind of scumbag move from whoever's doing that. I also

651
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: think it reflects nobody, and I mean nobody in the

652
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: NFL needs a bigger week of just like thirty five points,

653
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: three or four touchdown, some cool plays, some explosive plays,

654
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: and just like a fifteen point victory than the offensive

655
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: coordinator in Philly. Because the city's turning on them, the

656
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: players feel like are kind of on the fence on them.

657
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, even if the

658
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: organization in Sirianni like the guy personally, it's a production

659
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: based business and if you don't get it, done these stories.

660
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: You know. The one thing in Philly which I hate

661
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: the cold weather, but I really enjoyed working there because

662
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: I love football and when I was working in it,

663
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: it was so cool to be in a place where

664
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: it just really mattered. It's why talking to people that

665
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: work are associated with the SEC, it literally just means more.

666
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: And when you work at one of these programs, it

667
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: just feels like life or death. And that's what you

668
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: want when you're a competitive when you're working in a sport,

669
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: like it's a bigger deal to be associated with the

670
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: Yankees or the Red Sox than it is with the

671
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: Texas Rangers. Right, it just means more. And in Philly

672
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: that team means a lot. And I think people go, oh,

673
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 1: you're boo, they just won the Super Bowl last year. Well, yeah,

674
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: it's December and they can't get a first down. You

675
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: want me to clap, you want me to cheer. Now,

676
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: I'm not condoning egging a home. And while I'd be

677
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: a hypocrite to say that you should never egg a

678
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: home because I've done it a couple of times, I

679
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: actually think it'd be harder to egg homes now. I mean,

680
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: I got seven cameras around my house. My brother was

681
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: telling me a story over the Thanksgiving weekend that I

682
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: guess there's some like TikTok trend with like young kids

683
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: like twelve thirteen to do like you know, doorbell ditches.

684
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: And He's like, in the neighborhood I live in, everyone

685
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: knows each other. We all have ring cameras. The dudes

686
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: ringing my doorbell. I work with, like two of the

687
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: guys I call. I'm like, hey, hey, James, like your

688
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: kid just doorbell dish me. Here's the picture. It's like

689
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: his son with his backwards hat. It's like, what do

690
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: you do? Are you just an idiot? You do those

691
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: cameras everywhere? But Big Dom will probably be all over

692
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: that a couple of things before we get out of here.

693
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardener's Week to week I've said this forever. I

694
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: just that feeling as a GM when you make a move.

695
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: The only thing Again, if a guy like Sauce was

696
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: never going to be a terrible player, so you felt

697
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: pretty good about what you were gonna get with the guy.

698
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: But when you see the person that you just give

699
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: multiple first round picks laying on the ground, your heart

700
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: has to just go to your stomach. And I saw

701
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: Sauce say that. You know, at first it felt like

702
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: he got shot and the first thing you think is

703
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: like Achilles, but clearly avoided disaster. But it just shows

704
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: you how fickle sports are. You know, you make this

705
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: big move, which I thought was a little polarizing and controversial,

706
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: But if he plays like an elite player, if Charvarius

707
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: comes back, you got two elite corners. You know you're

708
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: gonna meet your defense to carry you. Especially if Daniel

709
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: Jones is limping around now. I just can't even imagine

710
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: that feeling when he was laying on the ground and

711
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: then has to be helped off and he can struggle

712
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: to put weight on it. Chris Baller probably had a

713
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: rough twelve hours. But luckily, you know, big picture, he's

714
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. You know, justin Herbert. The surgery on

715
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: the hand is you know, who knows like you're gonna

716
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: throw him out there? You know, in a Rogers situation.

717
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean part of the reason if Rogers was thirty

718
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: years old, he would not have played in that game.

719
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: He would just like miss a month, right and come

720
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: back when it was somewhat healed. But he knows like

721
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: the season's not going well. This easily could be his

722
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: last season. Who knows if Mike Tomlin's even gonna be

723
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: there next year. That's why he played with the cast

724
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: on which I respected, but that wasn't normal. And I

725
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: do think and I get it, they're eight and four,

726
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: so they got maybe a week of wiggle room. I

727
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: just don't think if it's somewhat of a similar situation,

728
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: you can put a player out there, even with the

729
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: non throwing hand. There were a couple times when Rogers

730
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: would like hit the ground. Your natural reaction as a

731
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: human being is to put the wrist on the ground.

732
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: And I just you've invested way too much money into

733
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: this human being. Your big picture of your franchise hinges

734
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: on him. I think you've got to be very, very

735
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: careful when it comes to him. Well, we just saw

736
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: one of the worst performances ever, not totally his fault.

737
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't be starting an NFL game, but luckily JJ

738
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: McCarthy is set to return. I do think this month,

739
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: if it continues to just be as ugly as it's been,

740
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how any Vikings fan like you have

741
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: to be a really patient individual it's like, just give

742
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: him time. Just give JJ some more reps. There's not

743
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: a fan of Live that's gonna want to give him

744
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: more reps. There's not a fan of Live that's gonna

745
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: be okay with the offseason, not having someone else to

746
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: come in to essentially be the starter. Now, who that

747
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: guy is, I don't know, Like Mac Jones with his

748
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: eyes closed as a better quarterback than this guy. So listen,

749
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: the best case for JJ McCarthy would be to come

750
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: back from this concussion, not get injured again, and just

751
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: have some good games, not a good series, like a

752
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: couple good games and good games. I the bar is

753
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: not that high, right. Just don't throw some of the

754
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: worst interceptions we've ever seen. Don't throw balls twenty five

755
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: feet over justin Jefferson's head. Just throw a couple of touchdowns,

756
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: have some completions, just have some drives that leave the

757
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: field goals. Just look like a capable NFL player. Because

758
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: the NFL has never moved faster, there's more money in

759
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: the line, there's more pressure. Because of the amount of

760
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: money the owners have, they can get rid of people quicker. Plus,

761
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: we just have recent examples of quarterbacks not getting long leashes.

762
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: People just turn on you. Why because back to the

763
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: Lang Kiffin thing, you're these coaches and gms are inherently selfish,

764
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, is what coaches you usually do when they're

765
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: they're losing games. They don't They don't go to the

766
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: owner of the GM, like I want to fire myself?

767
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: Can I fire myself? You know what they do. I'm

768
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: fired my offensive coordinator. I'm firing my dB coach. I'm

769
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: firing my own line coach. They never go fire me,

770
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: right they No, No one wants to fire themselves. No

771
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: one wants to get They throw everyone overboard before they

772
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: get thrown overboard. So I promise you this. When it

773
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: comes to Kevin O'Connell, who seems like a nice guy,

774
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: always upbeat, positive, optimistic individual, they'd better show some signs.

775
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: And I know this guy made a comment about how

776
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: organizations fail quarterbacks. I'm not even putting this on him

777
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: in terms of they made the wrong decision with the

778
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: player potentially, but like there's some players that just aren't

779
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: gonna be good enough. That's the thing with the NFL.

780
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: It's the cream of the crop and it even separates,

781
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: like certain people are just not going to be good enough.

782
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: It's why after training camp, basically half your team does

783
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: not make the active roster. They get cut, and then

784
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: a small percentage of those people get to come to

785
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: the practice squad and try to, you know, claw for

786
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: their career to get to become a backup. It's very,

787
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: very difficult. It's probably one of the more more difficult

788
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: things to do in America in terms of the private sector,

789
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: to make it on a field and play NFL football

790
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: just to be like, hey, I had a two year

791
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: NFL career. Let alone be like, yeah, I started at

792
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: quarterback for ten years. Look at Marcus Mariota. Marcus Mariota

793
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: is one of the most herolded college players. He was

794
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: a top he was a second pick in the draft

795
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: and hasn't been a starter in like seven years. And

796
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna have a long career, right, so that this

797
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: thing can change on a dime. You can get derailed quick.

798
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: You can just prove to the league like you're not

799
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: good enough. And I think there is tangible pressure over this.

800
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: I think I would imagine the Viking's have five more

801
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: games left in the season for JJ McCarthy to like

802
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: show subsiious, don't get rid of me yet, guys, because

803
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: if he doesn't and continues to play like he does,

804
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: my prediction would be like this thing is over before

805
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: it even started. Banging out mail bags at John Middlecoff

806
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: Instagram that this is a mail bag. If you hear

807
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: people banging in the background, it's the roofers. It's why

808
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: my fugazi a couple of weeks ago, I said he'd

809
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: better be very careful when you buy something. You know,

810
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: it's nothing like being a renter. You got an issue,

811
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: you just place a call. Well, when I bought this

812
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: house it needed a new roof, put it off for

813
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: a couple of years, and you have historic rainfalls. You realize, yeah,

814
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I can put this off anymore. So

815
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: I had to do it sooner or later, definitely before

816
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: we have a kid, so that that will be the

817
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: noise if you hear anything in the background again. Mail

818
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: bag at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram

819
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: fire in those dms start with Jack, I'm drinking the

820
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: koul ad. After how the Bears looked against that, against

821
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: the defense that has shut down both the Lions and

822
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: the Packers in the past month, I'm starting to believe

823
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: the Bears can make a run no matter how many

824
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: times it burnt me in the past. I think this

825
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: upcoming game at Green Bay is the hardest game left

826
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: on the schedule for the Bears, with the game in

827
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: San Francisco being the second hardest, and if they win,

828
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: I can see them winning the rest of their games.

829
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: My question, do you think there is a world where

830
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: we can actually get the number one seed? And if

831
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: they do, does the style of football they play, strong

832
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: run game, good third down pass game, and a takeaway

833
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: defense translate to the playoffs. How far do you think

834
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: they can go if the playoffs run through Soldier Field. Well,

835
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: I think the division will be, like you said, in

836
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: the next month, because this game is not must win,

837
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: But if you lose this game, I do think you

838
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: would have to win in the next two. Obviously, the

839
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: Browns take care of the Packers at home, and then

840
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: if you go to the Niners and win, there's a

841
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: chance that Lions game Detroit's just done, like they're completely

842
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs and that game is meaningless to them.

843
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: So listen, there's gonna be a lot of emphasis on

844
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: this game. It's the Packers, this historic rivalry which has

845
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: really been one sided. But to me, the game is

846
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: much more about the home game against the Packers. Like

847
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: if you go to Green Bay, even if you lose

848
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: by ten, it's like, yeah, you went to Green Bay

849
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: and lost, but can you beat him at home? And

850
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: I think he can. You know, the forty nine Er game,

851
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers defense is a shell unit because

852
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: of all the injuries Bosa, Fred Warner, Mikel Williams. I

853
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: mean they're playing Cleveland Ferrell, who was a practice squad

854
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: level player earlier this season. Again he's he's done an

855
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: admirable job. But the way you guys play that, that

856
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: is a very winnable game. Again, they're kind of like

857
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: the Spider Man meme the Niners and the Bay in

858
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: terms of the way they want to play. Very fascinated

859
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: these two games against the Packers. You know, how you

860
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: guys look against their defense. You know their strength is

861
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: that pass rush? You know, is Ben Johnson's gonna run

862
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: in fifty times? You know a game which I would

863
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: imagine he's gonna try. But your game translates to the

864
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: playoffs anytimes you anytime you have an elite run game

865
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: and you're playing playoff games, whether it's in Chicago. Even

866
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: if you don't win the division and the Packers do,

867
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: you could go to Green Bay and win. Given the

868
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: way you play, you could go to Seattle and win.

869
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: San Francisco probably be the seven or six seeds, so

870
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to do that, but go to the

871
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: Rams and win. Like your stuff's gonna translate, so you know,

872
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: your first round game if you're the five seed, would

873
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: probably be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, And if you're the

874
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: one seed would obviously you get a buye, which is

875
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. It's it's honestly nuts were even have in

876
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: this conversation, But I also think it's it's kind of unneeded.

877
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: We'll know a lot by the time that that game.

878
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: I guess TBD. They have a flex schedule ability for it.

879
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: So I'm fascinated. If you win two of the next

880
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: three games and you are what's your record right now,

881
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: nine to three. So if you are eleven and four

882
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: going into that forty nine er game, assuming the forty

883
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: nine ers would be they have a bye this week,

884
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: then they play the Titans, so let's give them a

885
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: win there. That would be ten and four at Indy.

886
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too confident. But I would

887
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: say Indy's in a little bit of trouble because just injury.

888
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner now is week to week. Obviously their quarterback

889
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: has banged up. They just haven't been playing as well.

890
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: So if both teams are eleven and four in that game,

891
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: that would be pretty nuts. So it's a great time

892
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: to be a Bears fan. You should be very excited.

893
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be wrong. Yeah, I mean, your coach

894
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: is just fantastic. I'm curious as to who you think

895
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: will win the Super Bowl this year. To my eyes,

896
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: there are about ten very good teams in the NFL,

897
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: but the gap between them and the five six good ones.

898
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: There are ten very good teams, okay, and then the

899
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: gap between the next five isn't that big. Like if

900
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: I told you the forty nine Ers beat the Seahawks

901
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: in their last game, you wouldn't be shocked that if

902
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: the Bengals won out and someone won their division there

903
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: are only two games behind with some divisional games upcoming,

904
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: no one would be shocked either. It seems that any

905
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: team could beat any team on a given weekend. I

906
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: totally agree. To my mind, I would just trust the

907
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: people who have been to the dance before. For example,

908
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: I trust Kyle Shanahan and the forty nine ers to

909
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: at least be consistent in the playoffs. I don't know

910
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: what the version of the Eagles or the Lions I

911
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: would be getting in a game in the AFC if

912
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: Buffalo is in, do I trust Bo Knicks and the

913
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: Broncos or the Jags and Trevor Lawrence or Josh Allen.

914
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott will I agree. I do think health plays

915
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: a pretty big role. You know, once everyone is somewhat even,

916
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: right if we assume if you look at the playoffs

917
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: right now, in the standings in the NFC, we know

918
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: it's the Bears, the Packers, Seattle, the Rams, the Niners,

919
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: Tampa and Philly, all those teams could beat each other. Now.

920
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: I do think the forty nine Ers are an example

921
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: of their defense, it's going to be difficult. The margin

922
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: for aer on their offense would be slim to nun

923
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: Like they couldn't overcome an interception and a fumble because

924
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: their defense is going to struggle to stop people. Right now,

925
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: if you're playing the Eagles, what if their offense is terrible?

926
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: Right if you're playing the Rams and Stafford as one

927
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: of his games, though he feels like he plays pretty

928
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: well against the forty nine ers. I just think you

929
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: have to look at a very matchup based and health wise,

930
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: like what the Bills just did against the Steelers on

931
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon. Are they winning playoff games two starting tackles?

932
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: I have a hard time think of that. But I

933
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: also watched Deon Dawkins, of starting left tackle play against

934
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans and he could barely move. So it's like,

935
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: are you better off with a guy who's fully healthy,

936
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: even if he's clearly a backup over a guy who's

937
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: your starter. That's sixty percent? Yeah, I mean these are

938
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: the arguments. I also think momentum matters, like how you've

939
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: been playing. You know, the forty nine has been winning

940
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: a lot of games, right, The Bears have been really

941
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: really hot. I mean the Bears have won five straight games.

942
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: The Packers now have won three straight games. They have momentum,

943
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: like how you're playing going into the playoffs. The Rams

944
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: last year had a lot of momentum going into the playoffs.

945
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: The Broncos, so they've just they've won nine straight games.

946
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: Same with the new England Patrins, Like, you win nine

947
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: straight games, you're playing at a really, really high level.

948
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm recording this before the Monday night game the Colts,

949
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: like if they limp in as the six or seven seed, Like,

950
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that much faith in them, So to me,

951
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: it matters how you're playing, how healthy you are. And

952
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: then I totally agree having Kyle Shanahan, having Sean McVay,

953
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: having Vrabel and Sean Payton, like there's a big advantage. Like,

954
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, Ben Johnson's coached a lot of playoff games.

955
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: I know he hasn't been the head coach, but he's

956
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: been involved in a lot of them as a coordinator.

957
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Patula he's never called plays before in his life

958
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: before this year, So what's he gonna be like in

959
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: a playoff game? You know, Seattle's kind of interesting. Mike's

960
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: never been a head coach for a playoff team. Kubiak

961
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: never called plays for a playoff team. Like those are

962
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: things to watch, you know. Matt Lafleur, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay,

963
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, whether as an assistant or a head coach, Like,

964
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: they've been involved in a lot. I actually think the

965
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: coaching in the NFC. You know, even Mike McDonald was

966
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: the DC for the Ravens. Obviously, the Packers, the Niners,

967
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, Sirianni and Fangio, Sean McVay, Ben Johnson, like

968
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: these guys, they've coached a lot of games. Meanwhile, you

969
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: look at the AFC. You got Sean Payton, who's you know,

970
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: super Bowl winning coach, coached a lot of playoff games.

971
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: He got Varible and Josh McDaniels that they've been around

972
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: the block. Liam Cohen, would you know that would be

973
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of a if they are either win

974
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: the division or a wild card. You know, the Ravens

975
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: would be a team that would make you a little

976
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: nervous in a playoff environment. The Chargers just have so

977
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: many injuries. The Colts, those guys have never coached, like

978
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: I guess you know, as assistant coaches. They have, but

979
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: Shane Stiken, since he's been there, they haven't been in

980
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs. When's the last time Chris Ballard went to

981
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs. So I'm with you on the Bills. They

982
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: have a pretty big advantage. I think the Bills would

983
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: be the sleeper in the AFC. I've noticed continued John,

984
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: I've noticed continued references to kiffen sobriety and weight loss

985
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: as evidence to his changed personality. In twelve step circles,

986
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: we often consider drinking as a symptom of a person's overhaul,

987
00:52:54,600 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: overall alcoholism, self centeredness, or general narcissism. Stop drinking is

988
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: the starting point at which a person can begin to

989
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: affect a meaningful personality shift, often through their improvement, improve

990
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: treatment of others, and amend for the past transgressions. Clearly,

991
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: Lane has not progressed to that and level that he

992
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: probably never will. To me, this reinvented image is entirely superficial,

993
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: and he's just the same guy he's been with a

994
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: slightly different haircut. I do think it's pretty evident by

995
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: his body that he stopped drinking, definitely at the level

996
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: in which he was. Is the man completely sober? I

997
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: mean truly, only he knows that, but it's clear his

998
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: lifestyle changed. But I'm with you, just because you change

999
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: a lifestyle doesn't mean it changes your mentality. I'm going

1000
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: to talk about this on the main podcast. I'm recording

1001
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: this during the day. I'll do it in after we

1002
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: talk about the Monday night football game, a level of

1003
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: selfish selfishness I think you have to have in most

1004
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: industries to be successful. So clearly, I think we'd all agree,

1005
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: even in a tough situation to handle. And typically when

1006
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: a coach leaves a program, especially a stepping stone job,

1007
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: which historically all misses kind of always been for LSU,

1008
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: if one program is doing really well and the other

1009
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: program is down, there is this you're leaving us for them,

1010
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: even though we're better than them right now, though they've

1011
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: been better than us historically, there's like this little brother syndrome,

1012
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: so that the fans get involved in. There's always it

1013
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: feels like a little shadiness with the way it's handled,

1014
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: and people just offended the wrong word. But just you know,

1015
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: emotions run really really high. But historically, like Nick Sagan's

1016
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: left multiple jobs. He left Michigan State for LSU, Miami

1017
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: from LSU, and then he left Miami to go coach Alabama,

1018
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: and he almost left Alabama to coach for the University

1019
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: of Texas. So I think a lot of times like

1020
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: didn't Urban Meyer bowling Green to Utah, Utah to Florida,

1021
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: kind of quit on Florida and then went to a

1022
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: house state. I just think these the profession is naturally

1023
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: more nomadic than what most of us do. Now. We

1024
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: love and I know, speaking for myself, I love football.

1025
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't have that much in common with just like

1026
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: every couple of years picking up and leaving. Though relative

1027
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: to most people I've known, I've lived all over the country, right,

1028
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: I've lived in California, I've lived now in Arizona. I've

1029
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: lived in Kansas City for a little bit, i lived

1030
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. I've been nomadic in my pursuit of some

1031
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: quote unquote professional dream. Now. I also think when you're

1032
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: a public figure like him, everything gets dissected. I'm totally

1033
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: with you though the sixty video that he did with ESPN,

1034
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: which I enjoyed, like that there was a you know,

1035
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: there was a reason that was produced, right, it was

1036
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: basically the bat signal to the other programs. I'm a

1037
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: changed man. What you know about me because people talk

1038
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: is no longer the case and the Lord the no

1039
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: more booze my family, Like these things are important to

1040
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: me now where they used to not be, and he

1041
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: wanted everyone to know. Now you can say that's self serving,

1042
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: like that's not what the reason why someone should get

1043
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: sober or gravitate toward God is to tell everyone in

1044
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: your profession that you've done that. But that was the

1045
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: only way he was going to get hired. Now I

1046
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: think the question mark is moving forward is is it

1047
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna be quiet? And when I say quiet, obviously from

1048
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: a recruiting standpoint, from a hype standpoint, he's gonna do things.

1049
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: But like, does he find himself in controvert lsu And

1050
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: I'm not talking like a recruiting controversy. I'm talking legitimate

1051
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: like whoa, that's not a great look because we've seen

1052
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: that with people over the years in the sec from

1053
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: Patrino banging the strength coach's wife to Hugh Freeze and

1054
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: all the hookers and the strippers, Like if you are

1055
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: not winning and you are no long Last year, Lane

1056
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: went nine and three. Five years in with the expectation

1057
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: of a roster that could win the national championship, and

1058
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: they went nine and three. I was like, oh, no,

1059
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: no big deal. Cool, we'll get you more money and

1060
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: we'll get another team the next year and this year.

1061
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: Clearly they didn't think they were going to be this good,

1062
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: but like they were very supportive nine and three. I'd

1063
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: even say, a couple of years at eight and four

1064
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: would not be the end of the world there as

1065
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: long as you have the occasional ten or eleven win

1066
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: season that he just had and everyone's you know, jumping

1067
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: for joy. That's not how it's going to be tolerated

1068
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: at LSU. It's just not Look at Kaylin at Alabama,

1069
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: Rocky season year one, which players leave left and right,

1070
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean, his starting quarterback and his starting star safety

1071
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: immediately go to Ohio State. So Nick Saban retires, the

1072
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: transfer portal and everything. I'm pretty sure the timing I'm

1073
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: not as dialed in as some of you that follow

1074
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: it closer than I do. But it was after the

1075
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: national championship, so it was late in the cycle, and

1076
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: he went nine to four, which, obviously for Alabama standards,

1077
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: might as well be a two win season. Okay, we'll

1078
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: give you somewhat of a pass. You get your boy

1079
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: Ryan Grubb back from Seattle. Anything less less than the

1080
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: playoff berth this year is a disaster, and we might

1081
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: think about firing you. It's like, well, John, they don't

1082
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: have the money, Well we'll fucking find it. And that

1083
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: game against Auburn, you felt like he was coaching for

1084
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: his job. That's year two. You'd be like, well he's

1085
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: following Saban. Well, yeah, I'm at LSU. Where the expectation

1086
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm giving you one hundred million dollars. Like the reason

1087
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly was shoved out was obviously because he just

1088
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: wasn't winning and his program clearly wasn't close to you know,

1089
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: Bama or Georgia. But like old Miss was in a

1090
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: different world. He was losing to teams, like he simply

1091
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: was not as good as teams that he's expected to

1092
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: be better than. And he didn't make the playoffs and

1093
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: he didn't make it till the end of year four. Now,

1094
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: obviously being an asshole and that type stuff what made

1095
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: it an easy decision. I just think you better win.

1096
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: And you know, the sobriety, the the hot yoga, the living.

1097
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: I guess with your ex wife like that that is,

1098
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's important to let everyone know that. But

1099
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: now no one cares. We're not teaching life lessons here.

1100
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: We're trying to win Daddy's you know, And can you

1101
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: get us closer to that? If you can, no one

1102
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: will care about any of your indiscretions. If you pick

1103
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: back up the bottle. If you started running around your

1104
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: wife again, no one would care, not a soul. But

1105
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: if you have an eight and four year, it'll be

1106
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: a problem full stop. Now, you could win an actual

1107
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: championship and then have an eight and four year and

1108
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: people will let up on you a little bit. But

1109
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: the expectations. The one thing I will say about Ryan Day,

1110
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: who you'd be like middlecoff, I own an apology. He's kicking,

1111
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: Asendagen names his program is elite right now. And hiring

1112
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: of Patricia that was a big time That was a

1113
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: big time hire. And clearly the not beating Michigan thing

1114
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: was a big deal. He knew it. He had to

1115
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: get it done and they just kicked their ass. But

1116
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: like you start rattling off national champions ships, like if

1117
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: they win it this year again, you start going to

1118
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: final fours like his The standard's really really high there

1119
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: and he's just answering the belt year in year out.

1120
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: It's like a bunch of dudes in the NFL. We're

1121
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: top five every year, we're competing to win the Natty.

1122
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: We have one of the best teams clearly in the

1123
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: country every single year. But that's the expectation, Like anything

1124
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: less than that he would get fired. He was so

1125
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: good outside of Michigan for a couple of years that

1126
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: couldn't really stick to him. But if last year he

1127
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: would have lost in the first round, it would have

1128
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: been a much bigger problem. Because the expectations are just outrageous,

1129
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: and I would say you could make the argument that

1130
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, the highest expectations in the country

1131
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: are number one Ohio State, because they now are consistently

1132
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: the highest expectations. I even think Georgia's, in a weird way,

1133
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: have lowered because of the transfer portal. It's like, yeah,

1134
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: probably never gonna get as good as like twenty two

1135
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: and twenty three or twenty one whatever they won back

1136
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: to backs. As long as we're in the mix final fours,

1137
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: and if Kirby can win another one like their last

1138
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: championship was nineteen eighty, like I saw Mark Rick for

1139
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: fifteen years, you know, be a top twenty fifteen Tennish team,

1140
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: like what Kirby's done, Like he's a made man now.

1141
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: And as long as every year they're in the SEC

1142
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: title competition in the playoffs, it's all good. That's not

1143
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: the case of Ohio State and I don't think that's

1144
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: gonna be the case for the LSU. But also that's

1145
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: what I think drove Lane to go there. You know,

1146
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: part of in certain industries when you're you know, it's

1147
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: pretty clear Lanes pretty ambitious person. You kind of are

1148
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: driven to the craziness. It's like I think a lot

1149
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: of people and listen, I sometimes I question what would

1150
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: I do? Like why would you leave all Miss? You

1151
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: got a great gig, They're paying you a ton of money,

1152
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: they're very supportive, and you can clearly win there because

1153
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: I want the highest level possible. And let's face it,

1154
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: and this is no shaded Ole Miss. LSU is just

1155
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: a slightly higher level. It used to be way higher

1156
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: in the pre anil. It's still higher. And I just

1157
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: think he wanted to test himself. No different than when

1158
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly left from Notre Dame and he failed. But

1159
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: always respect a guy for getting up to bat and

1160
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: taking a swing, even if it was ugly. And we

1161
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: can debate that all day long. You could argue everyone

1162
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: shitting on Lane. What about LSU. It's like they don't

1163
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: care about their business partner, Ole Miss. They don't care

1164
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: at all, Like they don't bear any responsibility in this.

1165
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: I think it's all just very complicated. Obviously, I do

1166
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: not feel like Lane is the victim at all. Him

1167
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: playing that card is a little egregious. But I do

1168
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: think like tough situation, it's not as black and white

1169
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: as everyone's making it out to be. Playing a little

1170
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: Monday morning quarterback. How crazy would it have been for

1171
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: the Lions to trade Dan Campbell and promote Ben to

1172
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: head coach. Obviously he would wouldn't have ever been a thought.

1173
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: But who do you think? But what do you think

1174
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: the Lions could have gotten in return for Dan Campbell

1175
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: in a trade? I think it's always easy to play

1176
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: this game. I think they played it in New York

1177
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton. I think they played in Dallas with

1178
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. I think Dallas has done this before with

1179
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: some of the coaches they've let out the door, Sean Payton,

1180
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. You know, look at Washington when that picture

1181
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: comes up of like Kyle and Sean McVay. I think

1182
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: sometimes when you are it's no different than your parents

1183
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: always look at you like their child, and you sometimes

1184
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: you have to leave the nest to kind of, you know,

1185
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: earn your true respect right, There's something powerful about leaving

1186
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: the house at seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old and going

1187
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: to do your own thing and proving it to yourself,

1188
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: to them, to whoever. No different than someone that gives you,

1189
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, your first internship out of college. Most people

1190
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: don't take their first internship and then go become the CEO.

1191
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: Start in the mail room and work their way up.

1192
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: There are stories of that, but the majority of it

1193
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: are guys that have to go you know, stepping stone,

1194
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: jump to somewhere else because they use that position to

1195
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: gain more leverage. And like, listen, I think Dan Campbell

1196
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: and I think Ben Johnson'd be the first to tell

1197
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: you this. His leadership and his toughness, we would never

1198
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: have got to where we got through the mud in

1199
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: the three and thirteen season and even that next sea

1200
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: and I think it went nine to seven that year

1201
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: that they beat Rogers at the end of the season

1202
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: and knocked them out of the playoffs without him, Like,

1203
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if Ben would have been capabable to

1204
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: do that a couple of years ago. Now, if you

1205
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: give them both equal teams, like if I give them

1206
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: the Lions, I give them the Bears, I give them

1207
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: the Packers. If all things are equal, would you take

1208
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson like Steve Kerr? Would he be equipped to

1209
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: take some shitty NBA team and build them up to

1210
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: like a seven seed? I don't think so. Would Phil

1211
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: Jackson be equipped? No, But those guys can really handle stars.

1212
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: They're equipped to do that. Steve Kurr has been around

1213
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and Tim Duncan right. Steve Kerr called for

1214
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: the ball for Michael in his heyday. That takes some balls.

1215
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: He's comfortable being around like no different Joe Tory being

1216
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: around dude on the Yankees. Not everyone can handle being

1217
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: manager of the Yankees. Even if you're though the manager

1218
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: of the Tampa Bay Rays. You can win more games

1219
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: a little bit easier. Less people are watching you, a

1220
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: little less media scrutiny. You know, a lot less people

1221
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: in this Dans did you get to fly under the radar?

1222
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: So I think Ben Johnson, I do think I'd be

1223
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: stunned if he didn't admit this that he learned a

1224
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: lot about leadership in just like mental toughness, from watching

1225
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: the way Dan handled that. Now, I don't think it's

1226
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: really arguable Ben is an elite schemer and if you

1227
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: had to have a guy scheme, you a game plan

1228
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: on a given week. I think Ben is immediately elevated

1229
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: near the top of the league, and that's really impressive

1230
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: to do. But uh yeah, I mean, if if you

1231
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: could have over the next month, who would you rather

1232
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: have calling the plays, Ben Johnson or Dan Campbell for

1233
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: the Lions, You'd take Ben Johnson, I think you you know,

1234
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: I think the New York Giants would give him a

1235
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: first round pick for Dan Campbell. Pretty sure Dan Campbell

1236
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: did he play for the New York Giants. Pretty sure

1237
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: he did got he had great hair. He played for

1238
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: the Giants for cop you know, it's great here and

1239
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: I always notice it on TV. He's obviously he's been

1240
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: He's been good whenever. I you know, depending on how

1241
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: my four box sit up, I don't always listen to him,

1242
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: but JJ Watt's pretty good. He has just elite hair.

1243
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm jealous of that flow someone that has

1244
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: no hair. No one in my family does, though, my

1245
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: brother I'm actually going to dinner with him Monday night

1246
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: before the Monday night game. He's got he's got no

1247
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: hair as well. We're bald as a bad luckily for

1248
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: our kids. It's on our it's on our wife's side.

1249
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: Who both sides have a hair, but god, we're bald

1250
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: in my family question. I'm a Tampa fan and hated

1251
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: how Liam Cohen went about things, But how much do

1252
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: you think Jason Light maybe regrets not keeping him and

1253
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: moving off Todd, especially since our defense looks at a

1254
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: nept at the moment. I suppose it's easy to say

1255
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: it now, but we did look considerably better with Cohen

1256
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: on the staff. I think it's always easy to play

1257
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: Monday morning quarterback, Right, you have your reasons and you

1258
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: make your decisions, you know, And this is not one

1259
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: of those where you dump her and then you look

1260
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: on Instagram three years later and she just looks like

1261
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: a dime and she's married to a guy who's way

1262
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: richer than you, and her life looks way sweeter. Right.

1263
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: This is one of those situations where it's pretty hard

1264
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: when you're winning to fire your head coach, even if

1265
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: like you take a step back and you go, yeah,

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01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: who would be the better higher for the next ten years.

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01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: I bet Jason Light would have admitted over a beer

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01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: that like, yeah, it's probably Liam Cohen, But what am

1269
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: I gonna do fire Todd Bowles and you'd be like, well,

1270
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: sometimes as the leader, you got to make tough decisions.

1271
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: It literally never happens. I do not remember a situation

1272
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: where it's like he got us out of the mud,

1273
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: he got us going in the right direction. But we're

1274
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: gonna trade Dan Campbell for Ben Johnson. Listen. I know

1275
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: Todd has done a just an impressive job. He has

1276
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: kept the ship going in the right direction. He's taking

1277
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: us to the playoffs post Tom Brady. But we got

1278
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: to fire him and go with Liam Cohen, who has

1279
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: been an offensive coordinator for one season. Yes, I think

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01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: if you could, you would. I just don't think it's

1281
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: very possible to do that. I don't think it's realistic.

1282
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: Aren't ninety five percent of Division I college football jobs

1283
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: just stepping stones, not destination schools? Isn't that the real

1284
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 1: reason Ole Miss fans are so salty, Not so much

1285
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: that they lost their coach, but that the last couple

1286
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: of years they had the best feeling themselves thinking they

1287
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: were Bama, LSU Georgia tier program, and Kiffen leaving for

1288
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,560
Speaker 1: LSU kind of gave them a double dose of reality

1289
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: that they are not a top tier destination school. I

1290
01:09:53,560 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: think sometimes getting humbled in life can be a great

1291
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,879
Speaker 1: reminder for us all. And I think it's really difficult.

1292
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 1: I think it's easy to understand. You know, in football,

1293
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, in college, historically, when a program would lee,

1294
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: lose another coach or lose a coach to another school,

1295
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: it would be Wow, they've doubled his salary. You'd be like, well,

1296
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Like, what are we gonna do? Right?

1297
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: Even now, if you lose a recruit, it's like, well,

1298
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: we offered them four hundred grand the other school offered

1299
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: him nine hundred thousand dollars. It wasn't my shitty recruiting.

1300
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: It's like easy to justify it. And then every once

1301
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: in a while it's like, no, this is just kind

1302
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: of who you are, right you are. This is the

1303
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: greatest three year stretch in the history of the school.

1304
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: Ten wins, ten wins, eleven wins. I think Lane Kiffin

1305
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 1: said this eleven wins is the most regular season wins

1306
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: by Mississipi or Misissippi State in the history of either program.

1307
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: Think I'm I mean Bama. I think how many times

1308
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: Bama went undefeated LSU's their national championship with Joe Burrow.

1309
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: They were undefeated. So I think the dose of reality hurts.

1310
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: But I think where it hurts now it's like, well,

1311
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: we could offer the same amount of money. We've been

1312
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: giving him huge money for recruits. Like it's literally not

1313
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: for the money, and it's kind of not as much

1314
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: this time. It's just because through his lens, and he

1315
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: told you this through his actions. I don't give a

1316
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: shit what he tells Marty Smith, what he tells McAfee,

1317
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: what he'll ever say moving forward. At a press conference,

1318
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: he told you with his actions, and let's face it,

1319
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: he'd committed to going to LSU weeks ago. You could

1320
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: argue he committed the moment he sent his wife and

1321
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: his kids to go check out Florida and bat and Rouge.

1322
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: And I do think you know they just hired Dave Caldwell,

1323
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: the former Jags GM at Florida from the Eagles that

1324
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: Lane was never going to have a GM for him.

1325
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 1: He has too much leverage. So there, I've been read

1326
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: some articles and some different people that cover their tweets

1327
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: that thought that was an area that made him uncomfortable. Well,

1328
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna because in the pros. It happens sometimes, Right,

1329
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: you gotta work with this GM. Lane ain't working with

1330
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: anybody he doesn't want to work with, right, So if

1331
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna work with somebody, it's gonna be because he's

1332
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: choosing to work with that guy. And I do wonder

1333
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: if like Florida was already kind of out and Jimmy,

1334
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 1: who's no dummy as a businessman, it was like, hey,

1335
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: send them there, use a little leverage and we'll get

1336
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: more money. But the moment Lane sent his family on

1337
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: the fact gathering information trip, he gowned. I mean he gowned,

1338
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: and at that moment, every old miss fan kind of knew,

1339
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: like we're getting played a little bit, and he's such

1340
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 1: a good coach, and they beat the shit out of

1341
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: Missippi State and the Egg Bowl. It just it's no

1342
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: different than if you know you're getting divorced, or you

1343
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: know you break your breaking up and the relationship's gonna end.

1344
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 1: We've all been to that position where it's inevitable it's

1345
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: gonna end. But then you just have a night where

1346
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: you maybe go get some cocktails and then you know,

1347
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: they spend the night together and the sparks are fine,

1348
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 1: maybe even again in the morning, You're like, ah, this

1349
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: is good, but deep down you know it's over. And

1350
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: that's what I think sucks about the situation is like

1351
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: it was everyone kind of knew it was over a

1352
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago, and then you played that game and

1353
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,799
Speaker 1: Lane was smiling. But even the way that he attacked

1354
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: that dude that said called him can't make a whole

1355
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: housewife when everyone acknowledges that analogy's perfect. And I even

1356
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: saw that guy say that, Lane called him and apologized.

1357
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we snap back when we know what

1358
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: you say to us is true. Like you know, Lane's like,

1359
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm sober now, I'm not sleeping around. I back with

1360
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: my wife. You call me a hoe like that kind

1361
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: of struck a nerve, even though he like, he wasn't

1362
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: even talking about your sexual proclivities out in the town.

1363
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: He's talking about your ability to just jump around. You

1364
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: just go to a lot of places naturally most coaches do,

1365
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: but Lane does a lot more than most. Okay, a

1366
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: couple more. Watching the Sunny Night game has me questioning

1367
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. He turned that franchise around, but his play

1368
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: calling is dreadful. He makes Andy Reid look like a

1369
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: run heavy coach, except Sean doesn't have Mahomes under center.

1370
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: I know Coward loves him, but tell me I'm not

1371
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: crazy to think he's a bit overrated. Side note, these

1372
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: officials have been awful. Another side note, Marcus mary Otah

1373
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: Collinsworth is awesome. I don't know why Collinsworth couldn't just

1374
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 1: call him his name that we all call him Mariota.

1375
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: I was actually thinking about this this morning cause I

1376
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: nitpick bo Nicks, But what was the Broncos record post

1377
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: Peyton man Like if you go back to just when

1378
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: Fangio took over to so if we go Kubiak, the

1379
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: end of Kubiak five and eleven, and then you just

1380
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: start in twenty eighteen when it was Vance Joseph six

1381
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: and ten, seven and nine, five and eleven, seven and ten,

1382
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: five and twelve, eight and nine, Peyton's first year. So

1383
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: think about that from Peyton manning super Bowl win the

1384
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: following year nine and seven, five and eleven, six and ten,

1385
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 1: seven and nine, five and eleven, seven and ten, five

1386
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: and twelve, they had seen some hard times. Sean gets

1387
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: there eight and nine last year, playoffs ten and seven.

1388
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: This year they're ten and two with tied with the

1389
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: Patriots for the best record in the league. I think

1390
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: he's pretty good. I think he's got a you know,

1391
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: the thing's a little weird with the quarterback. But ten

1392
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: and two is ten and two. Hear me out. I'm

1393
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: twenty five, about to be twenty six, played JV in

1394
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: varsity sports, graduated high school, applied to, got into and

1395
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: graduated from college with a four year degree. Started a

1396
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: career in aerospace smart guy, got engaged, planned a wedding,

1397
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: and got married, got my first dog, bought my first car,

1398
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 1: lived in four quote four different cities. All since the

1399
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: Steelers have won their last playoff game. I have been

1400
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: waiting to see an end do Tomlin's time in Pittsburgh

1401
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: since I was in college. So it feels validating to

1402
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: hear people I respect so much, like you saying it

1403
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: as well. Say what you want about him as a coach,

1404
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: but Tomlin the staff builder is not someone I want

1405
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: in charge of the future of my team. Moving forward.

1406
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: With all that said, my question is this, with the

1407
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: benefit of hindsight, how good of a coach is Mike Tomlin? Really?

1408
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: The Steelers defense of the past were good, but that

1409
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: was with Dick Lebou, who was a legend and a

1410
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: cowerd guy. I think we're gonna find out how good

1411
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is when he's the coach of the New

1412
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: York Giants next season, when he's the coach of the

1413
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,719
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins in two years, when he's a coach somewhere else.

1414
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,919
Speaker 1: That's not as easy, and it's kind of on him.

1415
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: Like after a while, people questioned Andy in Philadelphia and

1416
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: they say, Okay, I'll go to the Kancie Chiefs, who

1417
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: have the number one over overall draft pick, who just

1418
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: had a linebacker shoot his fiance and then blow his

1419
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: head off in the parking lot. The franchise was in shambles.

1420
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: Andy gets there, brings in Dorsey brings Beach, brings in

1421
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, Naggy and Doug Peterson, all those guys immediately

1422
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 1: there in the playoffs. Five six years later, they got

1423
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. They become a dynasty, and all they've done

1424
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: is won, and now no one can dispute like Andy's elite.

1425
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 1: Sean Payton took over the Saints, who or a joke,

1426
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, won a lot. It's like, okay,

1427
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: got Drew Brees. Good luck Denver, Okay eight nine, ten

1428
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: and seven hour, ten and two, and we got a

1429
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 1: month to be the number one seed with an elite defense,

1430
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: and we feel pretty good for the one seed. At

1431
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: minimum we'll be in the conference championship game. So I

1432
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: think you really prove your worth and really earn your

1433
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: respect the second place, Like it's like, how is Mike Rabele? Well, actually,

1434
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: I actually think it's more impressive of what he did

1435
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: in Tennessee watching Tennessee now and what a disaster that

1436
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: organization is, and then you watch him go to New England,

1437
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: a place that had been a joke and immediately turn

1438
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: them down. So I do think Mike tomlins kind of

1439
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: legend and his validation if he goes to the Dolphins

1440
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they're just good every year,

1441
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a lot of respect because I do

1442
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: think the stars dimmed and a lot of people question

1443
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: it rightfully. So you haven't won a playoff game in

1444
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: a decade, your team now just sucks. He's definitely gonna

1445
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: have He's gonna have a spot on him wherever he goes.

1446
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: And I think he'll be at another organization neither this

1447
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:05,639
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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: is from Eli. After the huge win against the Rams

1459
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,799
Speaker 1: and with all the bright, young love, honest, opinion hate,

1460
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: who knows what? What can I expect for my Panthers

1461
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 1: Finishing off the season? We have the Buccaneers two more times,

1462
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: Seattle once, and the Saints again. Our run game this

1463
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: past week looked great, splitting the carries between Hubbard and Dowdell,

1464
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 1: and our defense the past two weeks against the Niners

1465
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: in the Rams looks like a top five unit. I

1466
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: know we're not gonna go to the Super Bowl. But

1467
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 1: what's your honest opinion. Well, let's bring up Carolina, who

1468
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: is Let's go conference. They are currently the tenth seed,

1469
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: so the Cowboys are above them, the Lions are above them,

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01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 1: and then the Niners are several games above them and

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Speaker 1: beat them straight up. So if you go to Carolina,

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Speaker 1: like you said, they play the Bucks twice. They get

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Speaker 1: the Bucks at home this week, which is a massive game.

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Speaker 1: If you lose to the Bucks and you go to

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Speaker 1: seven and seven and they go to eight and five,

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Speaker 1: I do think you would be in major trouble given

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Speaker 1: that you would have multiple losses. They beat you head up.

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Speaker 1: In their schedule, it's not exactly Murderer's row. So they

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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers. I guess they play you. So the Bucks

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Speaker 1: have the Saints, the Falcons at Panthers, the Dolphins, and

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Speaker 1: then the Panthers. What schedule was I looking at? I

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Speaker 1: don't know what I did there. I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: making the playoffs. I think Tampa's schedules is too easy,

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Speaker 1: and if they just split with you, I think the

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Speaker 1: big question mark is is Bryce young this offseason? If

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Speaker 1: you go eight to nine or nine and eight and

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Speaker 1: you missed the playoffs, is that an auto you're not

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Speaker 1: picking up his fifth year option. Like, is he getting

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Speaker 1: his fifth year option picked up? There's my roof. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I would say right now, no, But he

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Speaker 1: has more games like yesterday where he's going fifteen to twenty,

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Speaker 1: throw a couple of touchdowns. Actually, I think he threw

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Speaker 1: three touchdowns yesterday. What was he yesterday? Yeah, fifteen to

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Speaker 1: twenty for three touchdowns. It's amazing what a running game

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Speaker 1: will do for a young quarterback. It's kind of important.

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Speaker 1: So if I would have told you at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the season that's starting in December, you would control

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Speaker 1: your own destiny to make the playoffs against the Tampa

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Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers and have a home playoff game. You would

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Speaker 1: have one hundred percent signed up for that, So you

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Speaker 1: could argue that the season has already been a win.

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Speaker 1: The volume