WEBVTT - Sorting Fact from Fiction with Charlie Kirk's Assassination

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<v Speaker 1>Also media, welcome back to it could happen here, a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast about it happening here, it in this case being

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<v Speaker 1>an incredibly political shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing that's happening. Garrison and I wading through

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<v Speaker 2>a river of disinformation and fever dreams to try and

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<v Speaker 2>pull out some degree of truth and what is a

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<v Speaker 2>very truth light environment right now? Garrison, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Truth fluid? Certainly truth fluid?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's a better way to phrase it.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a growing headache that I think grows larger

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<v Speaker 4>by these.

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<v Speaker 3>Second Yeah, just will not will not cease.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess you should first discuss how the shooter has

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<v Speaker 4>been identified and arrested. Yes, we are recording this Friday

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<v Speaker 4>evening for context.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, early evening. There will be more information on the

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<v Speaker 2>shooter and on the shooting by the time you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to this. We may include an update at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>but we will be talking about stuff that is timeless,

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<v Speaker 2>as in things that we know are false or true

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, and just generally our ethics on when

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<v Speaker 2>do we feel confident saying a shooting or other kind

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<v Speaker 2>of attack was left wing or right wing or something else, like,

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<v Speaker 2>when do we feel confident in making those judgments and why,

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<v Speaker 2>because those are really relevant topics and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people just kind of go with what seems right based

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<v Speaker 2>on the flow of info their hearing, which is how

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<v Speaker 2>disinformation spreads. So the last time we would have talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this would be the ed episode that came out.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that Friday Garrison.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Thursday night, Friday morning, and basically right after we

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<v Speaker 5>covered that, early in the morning on Friday, President Trump

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<v Speaker 5>was doing a media appearance on Fox News and he

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<v Speaker 5>was the person who announced that they had a suspect

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<v Speaker 5>in custody.

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<v Speaker 2>They were pretty sure was it. Obviously, since the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>had given the wrong accuse the wrong person at least

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<v Speaker 2>twice of doing this, people weren't sure if that meant anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But it did come out very soon after that that

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<v Speaker 2>a young man had essentially confessed to his father, who

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<v Speaker 2>negotiated him turning himself into the authorities. This young man

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<v Speaker 2>is Tyler Robinson. He was born and raised in Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, as far as we know, I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the night right as his name

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<v Speaker 2>came out. I don't know why. It was weird, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I just immediately started looking at the social media

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<v Speaker 2>for his family, because I was able to find his

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<v Speaker 2>mom and his dad's Facebook.

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<v Speaker 3>The Lord works in mysterious ways.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can tell you, and this is something you'll

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<v Speaker 2>find in the reporting. He came from a pretty normal

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<v Speaker 2>Utah family, politically conservative. That's based on articles I've seen,

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<v Speaker 2>we interviewing people who know the family, and just based

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<v Speaker 2>on publicly available information.

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<v Speaker 3>Grunt style T shirt wearing father right.

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<v Speaker 2>He dressed as Donald Trump. It's seemingly in a positive

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<v Speaker 2>fashion for Halloween one year. His family were pretty a

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<v Speaker 2>very normal Utah family. I found posts where they took

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<v Speaker 2>pictures in camping with their RVs, going out hunting. He

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<v Speaker 2>was hunting from a young age, access to firearms from

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<v Speaker 2>a young age, including like assault style weapons from a

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<v Speaker 2>young age, again very common for Utah. And yeah, his

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<v Speaker 2>family hunted and fished, and he seems to have been

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<v Speaker 2>a very normal kid in that regard. Kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I found when I was doing my first

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<v Speaker 2>dive into this that I thought was worthwhile, and the

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that I really pulled out of that to

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<v Speaker 2>share with people was in twenty eighteen, he dressed as

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<v Speaker 2>a meme for Halloween and the specific meme was this

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<v Speaker 2>meme that is not inherently political, but is one that

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<v Speaker 2>this group of far right people who follow a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Nick Fuint has called the gropers like, which doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that he was signaling to that, because again, like

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<v Speaker 2>all of this stuff, it's not just the gropers who

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<v Speaker 2>like this squatting slav guy meme. That's what he dressed as.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've seen this meme of like the squatting Slavic

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<v Speaker 2>guy in a tracksuit with a cigarette and a beer,

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<v Speaker 2>he dressed like that for Halloween. There's a groper version

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<v Speaker 2>of that squatting slav guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, there's a Pepe version.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, you're right, I need to be precise. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a Pepe version and it is a meme that you

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<v Speaker 2>can find shared in groper spaces, which again does not

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's a groper meme. And I've seen that mistakenly

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<v Speaker 2>and really tried to push back on this does not

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<v Speaker 2>mean he definitely was, but it doesn't mean that he

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<v Speaker 2>was a very online kid and he traveled in spaces

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<v Speaker 2>where he would have had access and would have been

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<v Speaker 2>aware of grouper's and that would have been one chunk

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<v Speaker 2>of the online fever. Swamps that he would have been

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<v Speaker 2>connected to and he would have had access to. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't yet know at the time we're recording this what

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<v Speaker 2>he believed or what his motivation was. The rething I

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<v Speaker 2>thought was relevant to publish of this is that, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we are dealing with an extremely online weirdo, right. And

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<v Speaker 2>immediately after that it came out exactly what was carved

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<v Speaker 2>onto the bullets that he had shot. And this was

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<v Speaker 2>relevant in part because yesterday, the first day of news

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<v Speaker 2>that we had about the bullets, the immediate claim that

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<v Speaker 2>was leaked to Stephen Crowder through a source of his

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<v Speaker 2>in the ATF, was that trans symbols had been carved

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<v Speaker 2>onto the bullets. That was not accurate. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>some levity from this whole scene, listening to the sheriff,

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<v Speaker 2>oh God, giving the press conference, read the things he

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<v Speaker 2>carved onto these bullets.

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<v Speaker 3>We should just include some of those clips here.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll put it in here.

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<v Speaker 6>Inscriptions on a fired casing read notices, bulge's capital, wo,

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<v Speaker 6>what's this question mark? Inscriptions on the three unfired casings

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<v Speaker 6>read hey, fascist, exclamation point, catch, exclamation point, up arrow symbol,

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<v Speaker 6>right arrow and symbol, and three down arrow symbols. A

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<v Speaker 6>second unfired casing read oh bellichow bellachow, bellachow chow chow,

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<v Speaker 6>and a third unfired casing.

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<v Speaker 2>Read if you read this, you are gay. LMAO. Just

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely outstanding stuff. I mean, hearing a law enforcement officer

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<v Speaker 2>say that is beautiful. It reminds me of having to

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<v Speaker 2>explain bitcoin to all of the elderly detectives in West

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<v Speaker 2>LA when I got a death threat against me. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is like extremely online gamer nonsense.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, right, yeah, average white male over the online gamer

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<v Speaker 4>at this point, that's what it looks like. It could

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<v Speaker 4>have developed in a far right direction, could be developed

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<v Speaker 4>in a far left direction, could be an ironic centrist,

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<v Speaker 4>it could be any number of things. There's no single

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<v Speaker 4>clear indication.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be someone who doesn't map easily onto any

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<v Speaker 2>of these traditional political compasses, Like we don't know at

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<v Speaker 2>this point. And what's kind of important that and the

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<v Speaker 2>reason what I thought was really important to get out

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<v Speaker 2>to people is that there will always be terrorist attacks

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<v Speaker 2>from It's never even if you want it to just

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<v Speaker 2>be right wingers, It's never just right wingers hy do

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<v Speaker 2>domestic terrorism. That's never been the case, and it never

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<v Speaker 2>will be the case. And one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing and we will increasingly see, is that even

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<v Speaker 2>while there will be varying political motivations behind different attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>the language that people who are carrying out attacks like

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<v Speaker 2>this use is all kind of coming to a point together. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They all have more in common with the way they mesasage.

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<v Speaker 2>The christ Church shooter and this kid both found the

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<v Speaker 2>need to put memes onto the weapons they were using.

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<v Speaker 4>Inscribe the Internet exactly onto tools of killing, mechanisms of death, right,

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<v Speaker 4>literally inscribing the Internet onto tools of death. That is

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<v Speaker 4>a thing both of them did. Yeah, maybe for wildly

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<v Speaker 4>different reasons. Maybe this guy was coming from a left

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<v Speaker 4>wing perspective, right, We just don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is where it's all coalescing around, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is really important to note, right, the

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<v Speaker 2>way that that happens. Now, again, we wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the thing that we can definitely say is disinformation.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the first counters to the whole transgender

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<v Speaker 2>symbols carved onto bullets that came out was people putting

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<v Speaker 2>up pictures of there's a Turkish manufacturer called Tehran and

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<v Speaker 2>they make bullets and their logo on the back of

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<v Speaker 2>a bullet. If you're not a gun person, every bullet

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<v Speaker 2>has the logo of the manufacturer, name of the caliber

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<v Speaker 2>stamped onto the back, right, I mean, just for basic

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<v Speaker 2>safety reasons, right or nearly every bullet twenty two is

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<v Speaker 2>a little too small. But like if you've got like

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<v Speaker 2>a round a nine millimeter or around a five to

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<v Speaker 2>five to six or around a thirty at six, which

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<v Speaker 2>was the caliber he used, apparently on the back of

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<v Speaker 2>it you'll see the name of the manufacturer and then

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<v Speaker 2>the caliber stamped in there, right, and so on the

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<v Speaker 2>back of Turan bullets is stamped tr in And so

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<v Speaker 2>people started posting online this must be why they thought

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<v Speaker 2>what they thought was transgender. That like, they saw a

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<v Speaker 2>Turan bullet and assumed it was trans And we know

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't the case because this was a thirty at

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<v Speaker 2>six and Taran does not make thirty out six ammunition.

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<v Speaker 2>We also know this was the case because they have

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<v Speaker 2>now come out and said what was written on the

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<v Speaker 2>bullets and what was mistaken for transgender air roads and

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that was mistaken for transgender arrows was a

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<v Speaker 2>reference to the video game Hell Divers.

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<v Speaker 3>A fucking hell Divers mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes again very gamer online kid.

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<v Speaker 4>Side note, it's not completely clear which bullet casing was

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<v Speaker 4>attributed to transgender ideology. It could be an interpretation of

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<v Speaker 4>the arrows, or it could be the notices bulge oh

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<v Speaker 4>woe casing and on that note, notices bulge oh Woe

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<v Speaker 4>is not a groper meme. It's a meme making fun

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<v Speaker 4>of furry sex role playing, which pre dates the existence

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<v Speaker 4>of gropers by years, and as a meme has since

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<v Speaker 4>been reclaimed by furries and trans shit posters online or

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<v Speaker 4>trans only fans creators, or just trans people in general

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<v Speaker 4>on the Internet, many of which are also furries. But

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<v Speaker 4>now we have various types of opposing or overlapping groups

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<v Speaker 4>of people who use this meme online. It's not a

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<v Speaker 4>right wing meme just making fun of furries. It is

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<v Speaker 4>also a meme used by people on the left and

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<v Speaker 4>furries on the left, and probably furries on the right

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<v Speaker 4>to and non furries. It's just a general Internet meme.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a Reddit tear joke. Now. I will say the

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<v Speaker 4>Helldiver's meme also gives us kind of are not a

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<v Speaker 4>clear look, but a look at a possible political motivation.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it could be ironic in use, It could be

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<v Speaker 4>just referential in use, but the full hell Diver's referenced

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<v Speaker 4>bullet reads hey fascist catch, followed by the hell Diver's

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<v Speaker 4>dpad input for the five hundred kilogram bomb, which is

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<v Speaker 4>the arrows.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the down arrows.

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<v Speaker 4>I think up arrow side arrow down down down arrow,

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<v Speaker 4>which some ATS agent or someone initially thought could have

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<v Speaker 4>been a reference to the transgender symbol or the three

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<v Speaker 4>arrows symbol, coupled with the hey fascist section of that reference.

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<v Speaker 4>The hell Diver's video game does used fascist as a term,

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<v Speaker 4>but this also could be a more general political reference,

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<v Speaker 4>either ironic or sincere. By referring to Charlie Kirk as

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<v Speaker 4>a fascist, we do not know the actual intentionality behind

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<v Speaker 4>the reference yet. One thing that's possibly tied to twenty

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<v Speaker 4>fascism is that another bullet reads bella Chow, bella chow

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<v Speaker 4>chow chow, misspelling bella chow, which is a popular anti

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<v Speaker 4>fascist anthem, though the song has more recently also been

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<v Speaker 4>used by Grouper's and fans of Hearts of Iron four.

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<v Speaker 4>A diverse political budge, one could say, we have talked

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<v Speaker 4>about bella Chow on the show before. In fact, we've

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<v Speaker 4>used bella Chow on multiple Cool Zone media shows. It

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<v Speaker 4>was originally an Italian anti fascist song that has since

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<v Speaker 4>been adopted by anarchists and anti fascists all around the globe.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard Bellachow get played on loudspeakers countless times at

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<v Speaker 4>anti fascist events on the West Coast as well as

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<v Speaker 4>anarchist events on the East Coast. Though the song has

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<v Speaker 4>since gained a whole other life through pop culture popularization,

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<v Speaker 4>with EDM and like dubstep style remixes going viral. Most

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<v Speaker 4>normies probably first heard it on the Netflix show Money

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<v Speaker 4>Heist and has been adopted into gamer culture via its

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<v Speaker 4>use in Far Cry six and Hearts of Iron four.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, could be an anti fascist reference, could be video

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<v Speaker 2>game shit, could be graper shit. There's just not enough

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<v Speaker 2>to say at this point.

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<v Speaker 7>Or it could be a centrist, a political hodgepodge of

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<v Speaker 7>that has resulted in this nihilistic outburst of violence similar

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<v Speaker 7>to some of these like TCC school shootings. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 7>don't know, but there's currently a lot of people on

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<v Speaker 7>the right who thinks it's an antifa super soldier leftist,

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of people on the left who think this

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<v Speaker 7>is a nick Fuentes piled groper, and either of those

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<v Speaker 7>could be true, but neither could be true.

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<v Speaker 4>It could be a much weirder third option. We don't

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<v Speaker 4>have direct evidence to support a full reading of either

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<v Speaker 4>of those things yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is when I have seen people get kind

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<v Speaker 2>of heated about being corrected on, particularly the bullet thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the reason why is that it seems

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like such a smoking gotcha. Of course they'd

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<v Speaker 2>be this stupid you really want it to be true.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's when you feel like that about a case

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<v Speaker 2>like this, about an attack like this, that like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I really want this to be true. It would be

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<v Speaker 2>really satisfying if this was the thing that had happened,

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<v Speaker 2>that you need to be most hesitant to embrace that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's that's what I'd say.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, if it's too good to be true or it

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<v Speaker 4>feels too convenient, you should introspect greatly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Robert and Garrison will be right back, but first,

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<v Speaker 4>There's been other things that is kind of influencing this

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<v Speaker 4>political uncertainty. A reporter for the Young Turks only the

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<v Speaker 4>most reparatable news outlet has claimed on Twitter on Friday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 4>According to Utah officials and police interviews with his family,

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<v Speaker 4>Tyler robbinsid hey Charlie Kirk because Kirk wasn't conservative enough.

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<v Speaker 4>Robinson reportedly admired Nick Fuentes g O piers are now

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<v Speaker 4>scrubbing ex posts about Dems faster than doj Orasi's Trump's

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<v Speaker 4>name from in Epstein files unquote. Yeah, this claim from

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<v Speaker 4>David Schuster the report of the Young Turks unsubstantiated. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's being spread as as exact fact, and it

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<v Speaker 4>seems like this claim is most likely misquoting and editorializing

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<v Speaker 4>from a statement a family member gave to police, which

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<v Speaker 4>has been described by the governor as a family member

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<v Speaker 4>and the shooter discussing Charlie Kirk's upcoming visit to UVU campus.

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<v Speaker 4>They talked about why they didn't like him and viewpoints

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<v Speaker 4>he held. The family member also stated Kirk was full

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<v Speaker 4>of hate and spreading hate unquote.

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<v Speaker 3>So that has been.

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<v Speaker 4>Altered and shifted and interpreted in a lot of different

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<v Speaker 4>ways to say that the shooter stated Kirk was full

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<v Speaker 4>of hate in spreading hate, even though that's not what

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<v Speaker 4>this interview segment necessarily means. Just that quote unquote, they

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<v Speaker 4>meaning the family member and the shooter didn't like Kirk.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's really all you can extrapolate from that piece

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<v Speaker 4>of this police statement. But it's been spreading, editorialized to

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<v Speaker 4>me in a wild collection of different things, Yeah, including

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<v Speaker 4>by people on the right who are interpreting this statement

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<v Speaker 4>as evidence that the shooter has said that Kirk was

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<v Speaker 4>spreading hate, even though that's not actually clear from this

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<v Speaker 4>interview either. No, it says that the family member stated

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<v Speaker 4>Charlie Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate, not

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<v Speaker 4>the shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>And likewise, one of the things I'm seeing spread a

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<v Speaker 2>lot is a claimed voter registration for Robinson.

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<v Speaker 3>A Tyler Robinson in Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Again, there's a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of Tyler Robinsons in Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>The one that is spreading the most has a voter

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<v Speaker 2>registration date of one to one two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 2>which he just simply couldn't have. Now that said, people

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<v Speaker 2>pointed out that Utah's voter registration is bad, and this

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<v Speaker 2>does seem like a placeholder that someone put in. But

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<v Speaker 2>also the county's not right because he didn't live in Lehigh,

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<v Speaker 2>Utah and that's where this is listed for. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying this guy definitely wasn't. He may have been a

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<v Speaker 2>registered Republican, but it looks like we don't have the

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<v Speaker 2>information to say that yet. Likewise, there's an article that

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<v Speaker 2>was published recently in The Guardian where they talked to

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<v Speaker 2>someone who was a friend of his in high school

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<v Speaker 2>who said that he was like the only leftist in

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<v Speaker 2>a family of Republicans and was angry about it.

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<v Speaker 4>The exact quote was that Robinson was quote pretty left

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<v Speaker 4>on everything, the only member of his family that was

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<v Speaker 4>really leftist ye. The rest of his family was very

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<v Speaker 4>hard Republican yep. And that Robinson would quote always just

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<v Speaker 4>be renting and arguing about them.

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<v Speaker 2>And it does look CNN is saying that they have

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<v Speaker 2>found Tyler Robinson's actual voter registration data, and CNN says

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<v Speaker 2>he's registered as unaffiliated with a political party and is

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<v Speaker 2>listed as an active, which means he has not voted

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<v Speaker 2>in either of the two last general elections. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>there's just nothing, nothing clear we.

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<v Speaker 4>Can say, right, Yeah, it's hard to take both this

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<v Speaker 4>young Turks reporter and a high school friend from four

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<v Speaker 4>years ago not great sources for someone's current.

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<v Speaker 2>Political outlook absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 4>And contradictory, so it's really really unclear. Also, this is

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<v Speaker 4>just one friend. You would want more than one source

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<v Speaker 4>to substantiate this claim, and perhaps by Sunday night, when

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<v Speaker 4>this airs, there will will be more information. Quick update

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<v Speaker 4>on this. Literally minutes after Robert and I recorded, the

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<v Speaker 4>Guardian retracted those quotes from the shooter's alleged high school classmate,

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<v Speaker 4>which described the shooter as a leftist. The source contacted

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<v Speaker 4>the Guardian again and said that they could not accurately

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<v Speaker 4>remember the details of their relationship in high school, So

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<v Speaker 4>the Guardian has pulled those quotes. But certainly right now,

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<v Speaker 4>the way people have latched on two narratives to satisfy

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<v Speaker 4>the current emotion little turmoil that people are in because

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<v Speaker 4>of the hyper reality around this shooting and the possible

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<v Speaker 4>consequences it could mean for the fate of this whole country.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand why people are quick to really hook their

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<v Speaker 4>version of reality onto these claims. Yes, but currently there

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<v Speaker 4>is no clear version of reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I just want to caution people if you

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<v Speaker 2>care about knowing reality yourself, And there's two different questions here, right,

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<v Speaker 2>what is useful, what is valuable? What like protects people

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<v Speaker 2>and then what gets us closer to the truth. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of why as soon as I found that photo

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<v Speaker 2>of him dressed as a meme for Halloween and recognize

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<v Speaker 2>the implications of it, I put it up there is

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<v Speaker 2>because I thought it was relevant that it said something

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<v Speaker 2>about his background, but also it got discussion, and just

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<v Speaker 2>people bringing up how complicated this guy's background is did

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<v Speaker 2>a positive thing, which is a got discussion away from

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely baseless allegations that this was a transgender terrorist attack.

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<v Speaker 2>And also its all the kind of shit that had

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<v Speaker 2>been spreading on the right right, and that was valuable. However,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been really careful about not saying this guy is

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<v Speaker 2>a groyper, even though that sure would be convenient, because again,

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<v Speaker 2>at the time we're recording this, there's just not that evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Every new fact that comes out about this guy right

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<v Speaker 2>now is wavering in this gray area where, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I one of the other things, when I posted

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<v Speaker 2>correcting the voter registration card, somebody posted like, okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>he donated a Trump's campaign No, he did not. A

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<v Speaker 2>different guy with his name donated to Donald Trump, the

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Robinson, who is currently in custody for shooting. Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk has no record of federal election donations, per CNN. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>these are very convincing when you see them just sort

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<v Speaker 2>of sliding across your news feed, and if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>checking up on every new thing you see, it feels like, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's a right winger. Obviously he's a groper. I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen so many pieces of evidence when you actually haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen any evidence at all, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Even those two things can get completed. Right, Saying he's

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<v Speaker 4>a groper is different than saying he do a right winger.

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<v Speaker 4>Right Like a groper is a very specific branch alt

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<v Speaker 4>right slash far right community slash ideology revolving around the

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<v Speaker 4>America First streamer Nick Fuentes and a collection of memes

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<v Speaker 4>associated with this movement, which have historically beef with Charlie

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<v Speaker 4>Kirk for not being sufficiently to the right as some

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<v Speaker 4>more openly white premacist neo Nazis have been. This beef

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<v Speaker 4>between Fuentes and Kirk was largely dissolved after Kirk started

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<v Speaker 4>adopting more and more far right believes and adopted the

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<v Speaker 4>Great Replacement theory, which settled down the quote unquote groper

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<v Speaker 4>war which many people are assuming that this shooting is

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<v Speaker 4>a part of with some groper Nick Fuentez fan killing

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<v Speaker 4>Charlie Kirk, possibly as a legitimate part of the quote

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<v Speaker 4>unquote groper war, but also maybe just as like an

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<v Speaker 4>ironic mimetic act. So when you say groper, that should

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<v Speaker 4>refer to a very specific thing, not necessarily just this

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<v Speaker 4>guy used right wing memes or these memes aren't even

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<v Speaker 4>right wing, but like.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it could be, but they're not inherently.

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<v Speaker 4>This man could be, but they're not inherently nor are

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<v Speaker 4>they really the main use of this saying Haha, if

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<v Speaker 4>you read this, you are gay, right, could just be

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<v Speaker 4>an average overly online male right or on the internet.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people talk like that. A lot of

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<v Speaker 4>gay people talk like that. A lot of fascists people

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<v Speaker 4>talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this homophobia or a twenty year old right It.

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<v Speaker 4>Could be either or Yeah, and we don't need to

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<v Speaker 4>just jump to one specific thing to build a singular

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<v Speaker 4>narrative when a fluid situation is still rapidly unfolding.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not if again, you want to feel like and

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<v Speaker 2>you want to really be better than the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>who don't give a shit about the truth, who just

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<v Speaker 2>care about what's convenient and how many people they can

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<v Speaker 2>get to believe a convenient fact. Right, If you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be that kind of person, if you think

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<v Speaker 2>that's bad, and I do, and you do, and we

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<v Speaker 2>all do here at cool Zone, then you do kind

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<v Speaker 2>of it to yourself to care about stuff like this,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's less convenient. By the way, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not an investigator, you don't have to be delving into

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<v Speaker 2>all this. It's enough to just know the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>I saw something that looked like evidence this guy donated

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<v Speaker 2>to a campaign. Do I know that that's him? Do

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely know that's him? Because it's possible multiple people

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<v Speaker 2>have the same name and some of them may have

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<v Speaker 2>made a donation or not. Right, don't just pass your

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<v Speaker 2>eyes over stuff like this and be like, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I've done all I need to do, but do purchase

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<v Speaker 4>One other aspect that people's reaction to the shooting is demonstrating,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've seen this with other major events, major political events,

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<v Speaker 4>violent political events the past few years, is how this

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<v Speaker 4>shows a new fracturing of reality. Because what eventually gets

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<v Speaker 4>proven about the shooter will probably be insignificant to the

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<v Speaker 4>narratives that people have already latched onto and have baked

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<v Speaker 4>into reality so far. And this conceptual splitting of reality

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<v Speaker 4>is going to fall squarely along some partisan in political lines.

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<v Speaker 4>Right conservatives will have a conception of the shooting which

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<v Speaker 4>differs heavily from the conception of the shooting held by

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<v Speaker 4>people on the left. Many people on the left are

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<v Speaker 4>going to believe that this shooter was a groper forever,

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<v Speaker 4>no matter what comes out in the next few weeks

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<v Speaker 4>to months, they will have in their version of reality

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<v Speaker 4>the idea that this guy was a groper. Similarly, people

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<v Speaker 4>on the right are going to believe, to the fullest

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<v Speaker 4>and truest except of their hearts, that this guy was Antifa.

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<v Speaker 4>The actual reality is going to matter very little compared

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<v Speaker 4>to these two beliefs. And the killing of Charlie Kirk

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<v Speaker 4>has mimetic potential for several large, discrete and overlapping online groups.

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<v Speaker 4>Many different online communities or groups could have encouraged or

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<v Speaker 4>influenced this killing. Anti fascists certainly could have Leftists, the

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<v Speaker 4>groper right could have the four Chan right could have

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<v Speaker 4>terror Graham could have all different and possible overlapping communities

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<v Speaker 4>in cell culture. Yeah, irony, poisoned centrists, j RAG nihilists, accelerationists.

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<v Speaker 2>A normal garden variety Trumpist Republican who got angry over

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein stuff could have done this. There's no evidence of that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying, but I'm just saying, like there we

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<v Speaker 2>literally like it could be so many things at this.

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<v Speaker 4>Point, and as satisfying as it is to just collapse

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<v Speaker 4>this guy down to Antifa or Graper.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very likely it could just be a third.

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<v Speaker 4>Weirder option, be the weirder option, right, especially if you

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<v Speaker 4>look at the nihilist trend of violence that we've covered

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:38.119
<v Speaker 4>on this show, from TCC with ties to other extremist groups,

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.880
<v Speaker 4>the multiple school shootings that have used nostalgia and online

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:47.240
<v Speaker 4>references and references to previous shootings. This could also line

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 4>up with that framework. As Robert said, the inscription of

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 4>memes onto tools of death is a commonality across many

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 4>of these gruesome acts of violence, from christ Church to

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:02.240
<v Speaker 4>the Minneapolis school shooting just a month ago to this

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 4>assassination in September.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I think it is worth talking about how Gropers

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 2>and how Nick Fuintes himself has responded to this because

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 2>that is telling right totally, whether or not this guy

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 2>is a growper. A lot of gropers have publicly speculated

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 2>that he is their.

0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 4>Guy, or people on four Chan have speculated that he

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 4>is a graper, not your average four Chan user necessarily

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 4>he's a groper. I think this distinction is also important.

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.359
<v Speaker 4>That is valid, yes, but yeah, you have seen a

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.120
<v Speaker 4>lot of people on the right suspected this guy could

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 4>be a groper. Certainly, some gropers have themselves as well

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 4>as four Chan users. And Nick Fuentes does seem a

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 4>little bit nervous, but he could be nervous for a

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 4>lot of reasons.

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 2>But he put out a video.

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 3>I watched the entire Nick Fuentes stream last night.

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh good, thank god.

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:52.440
<v Speaker 4>He was acting a little bizarre, talking very philosophical, almost

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 4>as if he was like doing ketamine beforehand.

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 3>Like he was talking.

0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 4>About how the structure of society and like a spiritual

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:04.439
<v Speaker 4>structure as well, will influence society to cause events to

0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:08.439
<v Speaker 4>happen which kind of stress test and demonstrate the direction

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 4>of society going. And he basically talked about the assassination

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 4>as one of these events of society unfolding itself to

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 4>determine what path is going to get taken. Our thing

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 4>is going to get more violent and more divisive, or

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 4>will this event alter reality's course in a more positive direction.

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 4>It was very interesting. He was talking about how he

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 4>feels some responsibility for the arc that this country has

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 4>gone on, how he's made a lot of mistakes when

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.120
<v Speaker 4>he's younger. You could interpret this as trying to pick

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.919
<v Speaker 4>up new supporters and try to fill in the Charlie

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 4>Kirk sized hole in the American right, but it's unclear.

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 4>He was talking quite emotionally about what the past few

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 4>years of his life have been and.

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:54.919
<v Speaker 2>Again making that comment that I want all of my

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 2>fans to stand down, etc. It's noteworthy of where Fwind

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 2>has his head is right, Yeah, and of the media

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.199
<v Speaker 2>environment he must exist in terms of, like personally what

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 2>comes to him. And I'm very curious if I could,

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 2>if I could somehow know everything Nick Fuintes has been

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>texted and been texting over the last seventy two hours. God,

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 2>that would be fascinating.

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:18.160
<v Speaker 3>He said.

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 4>The people on the left were telling him it's his

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 4>responsibility to try to turn things down, and he was

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:24.439
<v Speaker 4>kind of upset about that. Yeah, and during the stream,

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 4>Fuentes was not discussing the shooter as if the shooter

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 4>was a groper, or even suspecting the shooter was a groper.

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 4>Nick telling his audience or whoever listening, to put down

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:39.919
<v Speaker 4>your arms and not jump to quick emotional violence was

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 4>in reference to retaliatory violence against the Left for their

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 4>killing of Charlie Kirk. That was the way Twentes was

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 4>talking about the shooting through the course of this hour

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 4>long stream. It did not seem to me that he

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 4>was trying to cover his bases in case the shooter

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 4>was a groper. That wasn't how he was discussing. He

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 4>certainly laid a lot of blame on the Left, and

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 4>he seemed very scared about the direction of the country.

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 4>Someone showed up with a weapon to his house less

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.879
<v Speaker 4>than a year ago, and I think some of his

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 4>fear is absolutely genuine. It's not just trying to cover

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:17.920
<v Speaker 4>his ass in case this guy turns out to be

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 4>a groper.

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 2>No, he's in danger because of the things he did.

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.400
<v Speaker 2>He invited the danger into his life by being Nick

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:25.879
<v Speaker 2>quint As. But he is in danger.

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, No. It was a very odd stream.

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 4>I tuned into nickquint As every once in a while

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 4>just to keep track of what he was doing, like

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:34.920
<v Speaker 4>a healthy person.

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 3>It's my job.

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I know, I woke up at four am to stock

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>a murderer's family on Facebook. Garrison.

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 4>So it was in the first fifteen minutes of the

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 4>stream where Nick discussed these more theoretical elements, how spiritual

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 4>or societal forces kind of use people as puppets, not

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 4>in a like fully end he see way, but as

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 4>an evolutionary method of charting the path of society. Nick

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 4>then wents to go on to discuss Charlie Kirk, how

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 4>he's beefed with Charlie in the past, how they've disagreed

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 4>on nearly everything, but goes on to say some nice

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 4>things about Charlie for the first time, and then calls

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 4>for everyone to lay down their arms. Now is not

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 4>the time to jump to quick action. We should reflect,

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 4>et cetera, et cetera. But in those first fifteen minutes

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 4>he talks about like what this shooting means for American culture.

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 4>And I've been watching some of his other recent streams

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 4>where he's kind of been going after some of his

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 4>fans for just being completely like brain dead, just repeating

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 4>racist tropes with no real thought, just talking about Hitler

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 4>in this memified way, and it feels like he's sort

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 4>of reflecting on both what he's done with his life

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 4>ever since he's been a teenager and the world that

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 4>he has helped bring into being. He talks about never

0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 4>having much of an actual sincere or participation in polic

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:04.239
<v Speaker 4>how it's always been so bombastic and mimetic, and it

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 4>appears as if he's kind of stuck doing this bit forever,

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 4>like he decided that this is what his life was

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 4>going to be as a teenager, and now he's in

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 4>his mid twenties, and from these other recent streams, it

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 4>feels like he's kind of fed up with how his

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 4>audience is just appearing completely mindless, very Larpee, endlessly repeating

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 4>Hitler references, reflection racism, and how he's trapped himself in

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 4>this political game. And a quote he said is that

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 4>this is not a game. This is life and death.

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 4>And as we've just seen, like this is literally life

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 4>and death. This is not just online memes anymore. We

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 4>can't treat politics as an online meme game anymore, because

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 4>these real life characters are getting killed, they framed a

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 4>lot of this in very spiritual warfare language, like they

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 4>killed Charlie for being Christian, or talking about Jesus though

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 4>stressing to his listeners like Jesus not actually pick up

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 4>arms and fight. Yeah, and people should calm down and

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 4>reflect because how the country handles this event will be

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 4>heavily deterministic. Yes, in what the country looks like going forward.

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 4>That's and that's what he was expressing.

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, And I think that that's that's a really

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 2>important point for people to get across that, like there's

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>there's the immediate battle in front of us, right, which

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 2>is why it's so tempting sometimes to take the easy Oh,

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>that's this guy was one of theirs. That that means

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>we don't have to keep thinking about it, or it

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>means that we can kind of just like move forward

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 2>with this as another right wing attack. And there's a

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 2>degree to which, you know, it's good just for the

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 2>rights narrative machine to get upset by the fact that

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 2>even if it turns out this guy at a left

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>wing motivation, he's weirder and more confusing than they want

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 2>him to be. And he's not you know, the transgender

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 2>terrorists they were hoping he.

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 3>Would be certainly not trans right to give.

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Them permission to do all the fucked up shit they

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do. You know, if they need permission, I mean,

0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>they seem to feel like they need an excuse.

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 4>He Trump creates permission, some of his followers might appreciate permissions.

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah. One thing that is undeniable is there

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>was an extreme desire from a lot of these guys

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 2>for this to be tied in with their ongoing attacks

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 2>on trans people in the left. Totally right, And so

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I understand even the argument that, like anything that disrupts

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 2>their narrative train there, even if it winds up not

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>being accurate, there's a value in it. I do understand

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that argument. But on a larger thing, if we just

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 2>care about terrorism and like why people get radicalized to

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>do things and how and understanding these phenomenons.

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 4>Like actually understanding how our country is unfolding.

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, that influence all of our lives, right, And usually

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>usually what happens is not a single guy getting shot

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 2>for a specific reason, usually a bunch of people who

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with the grievances expressed getting shot. Right.

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 2>That's usually when somebody decides to pick up a gun

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and go into public because the inner they they got radicalized,

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>usually a bunch of randomness and people die, which is

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>again why it's just really important to try to understand

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 2>the underlying dynamics, even in a specific case like this,

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and why I actually do care about the truth here,

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 2>even though that that's not as convenient maybe as we'd

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 2>like it to be. I don't know what else, What

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>else do we want to talk about here?

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 6>No?

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean, like, I think this event will be extremely important, yeh.

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 4>Something that Fuen has talked about is how even if

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 4>you've never met Kirk, whether you hate Kirk or whether

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 4>you love Kirk, Kirk has been a parasocial force in

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 4>probably everyone who's listening to this their lives for years,

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 4>and watching him bleed out gruesomely is massively effective. I

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 4>think the reason why people are reacting to this so

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 4>much more strongly than the murder of a state senator

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 4>and her husband is that we did not have a

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 4>personal relationship with that state senator, nor was there a

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 4>video of them gruesomely bleeding out. And people's emotions affect

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 4>how they understand reality, and the Charlie Kirk murder has

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 4>been emotionally affecting for a lot of people, both positively

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 4>and negatively, and it was very graphic, and it's spread

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 4>around Like watching someone who you know, whether personally or

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 4>parasocially die on video through the medium in which they

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 4>gained their fame, is going to be a very large,

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 4>to use a really bad pun turning point for the USA.

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:28.240
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's part of why everyone's so volatile

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 4>around this issue, because I think everyone realizes how important

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 4>this moment will be. Despite the deaths of Palestinian children vastly,

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 4>vastly outnumber the deaths of one conservative commentator.

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, like logically we could all say

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 2>that that's wrong and fucked up, but like you just

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's how people work, right, how people work.

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 2>We all know that's how people work. I'm not saying

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>that's okay, I just you know.

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 3>No, but it's it's it's it's the way, it's the

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 3>way things work.

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I don't know, like because again we again

0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 2>still cannot say at this point that there was just

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 2>a kanity Fair article came out that's kind of repeating

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 2>some of the Groper stuff. But I looked in my post,

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>is their source on that, So they don't have anything

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:07.720
<v Speaker 2>new on the Groper front.

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 4>So no, they're just thinking that the squatting Slavs meme

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 4>is evidence, yeah, tied to the Pepe version of the meme,

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 4>which is then linked to Groyper, which is a specific

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 4>type of Pepe, not the skinny Pepe. H.

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm so tired, Roberts.

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm really tired. I don't know if this guy liked

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Nick Flintes. I will say he probably had an opinion

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>about Nick Flintes. He was aware of them. The dude right,

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 2>like he was that level of online for sure.

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, which twenty two year old gamer mail doesn't.

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 4>And that's the thing, right exactly.

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Again, It's like I was talking about when before we

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 2>knew who it was, when we just had the video,

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.359
<v Speaker 2>because I did accurately anticipate that it was someone who

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 2>learned how to shoot through hunting with a bolt action rifle.

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 2>That's just what the shot looked like to me when

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I saw it, Yeah, which wound up being accurate. And

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 2>there were a lot of people who were like questioning

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>that on the grounds of like, well, though this had

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 2>to be like a train sniper or something like that,

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's like.

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 4>This looks like a professional hit to me, Robert, or no,

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 4>a MASAD agent either.

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Or yeah, like no, literally, all we knew is that

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 2>it was somebody who was able to like competent with

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:12.840
<v Speaker 2>a firearm.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all you could say.

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 2>And probably it was not a semi automatic because people

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 2>in stressful situations, if they can usually keep shooting, right.

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 3>They would have hired more than one shot.

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<v Speaker 2>And was like, yeah, yeah, that's all. That's all we

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 2>could say, which narrowed it down to everyone in Utah.

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Like like that's when I try to emphasize this, that

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<v Speaker 2>like what I can say from this is that anyone

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 2>in Utah could have shot Charlie Kirk at that point,

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 2>and sure enough it turned out being almost.

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:39.240
<v Speaker 3>Like average twenty two year old Utonian. Yeah, you've.

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Positive normal Utah kid, that's what this guy looks like

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:43.879
<v Speaker 2>so far.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and yeah, there's a lot of like semi racist

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 4>or semi misogynist gamers out there. They're not necessarily grapers, right,

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 4>And we don't even know how racist this guy was.

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 4>There's no indication one way or another. He certainly had

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 4>an awareness of online culture, but everyone who makes a

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.560
<v Speaker 4>hell divers two reference is going to have a pretty

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.280
<v Speaker 4>large awareness of online culture, and that does not indicate

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 4>what his quote unquote beliefs are, just an awareness and

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.720
<v Speaker 4>an existence within that culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Well, I can't think of anything else to say

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 2>at the moment about this. It's unclear to me the

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 2>degree to which this has shifted the national discourse on it.

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I have seen it looks like the way in which

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:30.880
<v Speaker 2>the conservatives are talking about this guy in the shooting,

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 2>it looks like they have changed, at least some of them,

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 2>because it's less clear at least the number of people

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:36.839
<v Speaker 2>right we're seeing.

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<v Speaker 4>The Groper counter narrative has introduced doubt, which will influence

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 4>some conservatives understanding of the shooting. Others will keep hitting

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 4>and that leftist antifa line. I have seen certain people

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 4>claim that the Groper narrative is even changing the way

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 4>Trump talks about the shooting because Trump is not referencing

0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 4>Charlie Kirk as much or is avoiding questions about how

0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:03.319
<v Speaker 4>he feeling in regards to Kirk's death. Yeah, Trump has

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 4>never cared about Charlie Kirk. Okay Vance certainly has. He's

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 4>like closer to like Dvance's orbit. But Donald Trump doesn't

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:15.720
<v Speaker 4>give a single fuck about Charlie Kirk. Absolutely not this little,

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 4>this little puny man, Like, no, Trump does not care.

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.360
<v Speaker 4>It makes sense that one asked how Trump feels about

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 4>about Charlie Kirk's as and and and if he's feeling okay,

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 4>He's like, yeah, I feel fine. What I'm really excited

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 4>about is that we're constructing the new White House ball Rose. Yeah,

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:35.359
<v Speaker 4>Like that's not indication that Trump's been told that this

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 4>guy's actually a rightist and now has to not talk

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.839
<v Speaker 4>about how the left is ruining the country. Now, it's

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 4>that Trump does not care about Arliekark that much. And

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 4>it's been a few days, so yeah, he's gonna move on.

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's you know, if you're wanting to game

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 2>theory this out of the ethics of just muddying the

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:56.799
<v Speaker 2>waters to disrupt their momentum, well there's an argument to

0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>be made there.

0:38:57.800 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 3>I can see that. I can see the utility in that.

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 4>My utility is, I would say, at the very least

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 4>equal to that.

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 3>That's having an accurate understanding.

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I want to know what happened to the world to.

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 4>Predict future trends and like understand the trajectory of political

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 4>violence in the United States. Yeah, and that's what my

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 4>interest in stressing evidentiary standards for understanding the motivations behind

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 4>this attack and the online communities and cultures that this

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:23.880
<v Speaker 4>attack has emerged from.

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:26.839
<v Speaker 2>Right. And I would say, if you're looking in your

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 2>own life, how can I tell which side of things

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm on? Just imagine everything was reversed in the case where,

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 2>like you think, this is really clear evidence that this

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 2>person was motivated by whoever you hate the most, and

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 2>that whatever ideology you hate is why they did it.

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 2>If it were the opposite and the same level of

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>evidence was being used to accuse someone who was on

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:52.239
<v Speaker 2>your side of things, would you consider the evidence presented enough? Right?

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>And That's where what I'm looking at is, I have

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 2>not seen enough evidence to buy into either side fully.

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Yet I can make a case in my head that

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 2>he's a groper, and there's some pieces of evidence that

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 2>fit with that. And I can make a case in

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 2>my head that he's a guy who hates Charlie Kirk,

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and there's quotes from some interviews that would back that up,

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 2>but neither of them is a solid At the moment

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that we're recording. This is a solid hypothesis to me

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 2>or just.

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 3>A vaguely right wing board gamer right or just a

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:21.760
<v Speaker 3>right wing board.

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.879
<v Speaker 4>Who has zoomer angst, and it manifested this way, as

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 4>many other people have manifested their zoomer anks through an

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 4>act of political violence. Yeah, like groper, a very specific

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:33.399
<v Speaker 4>term means a specific thing. It doesn't just mean a

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 4>gen z conservative.

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.919
<v Speaker 2>Yep, No, it does not. And I think that's where

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:39.640
<v Speaker 2>we're going to have to leave you for the day.

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.239
<v Speaker 2>We may have appenned an update to this, depending on

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 2>what else is out. I do think that most of

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about is pretty even though there will

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 2>be more information at the time you listen to it,

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 2>pretty timeless in terms of how you should think about

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:52.439
<v Speaker 2>shit like this.

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 4>How you react to whatever the next assassination is going

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 4>to be, because this is an increasing trend in American politics.

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:00.879
<v Speaker 2>Look, if you care and if you stance, if your

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:04.239
<v Speaker 2>principled stance with all the evidence is I don't care.

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 2>All that matters is defeating the right. So all I

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>care about is what's convenient in terms of disrupting their narratives.

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Then go on and live your life. But that's not

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.160
<v Speaker 2>the way. We we're gonna do things here. When we

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:17.719
<v Speaker 2>look at these tacks, we are going to try to

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 2>figure out what happened, even if it's inconvenient, and it

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 2>may be, you know, we don't know what this guy yet.

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 4>Touch some fucking grass before you touch grass. I'm recording

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 4>one more update Sunday morning. Yesterday, right wing outlets and

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:34.720
<v Speaker 4>then axios and now even more mainstream outlet's started reporting

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 4>that the shooter, Tyler Robinson, had a transgender roommate and

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 4>that investigators believe the two had some sort of romantic relationship.

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:48.879
<v Speaker 4>Some information from law enforcement officials about this investigation has

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 4>been shown to be dubious at best, but it is

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 4>true that the shooter had a roommate who does appear

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 4>to be transgender. The roommate's TikTok can be traced to

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 4>a Reddit account where they post about being trans and

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 4>post on r slash trans r slash trans diy as

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 4>well as r slash four tran, and also posts on

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:14.320
<v Speaker 4>r slash green Text and r slash four Chan. Also

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.759
<v Speaker 4>active in a variety of video games subreddits, Magic the

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 4>Gathering Memes subreddits, r slash Distressing Memes, r slash Reddit

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 4>moment r slash Unpopular Opinion r slash Lord of the

0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:33.399
<v Speaker 4>Rings Memes, r slash prehistoric Memes, r slash dank meme,

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:39.800
<v Speaker 4>r slash nothing Ever Happens. Also post on r slash BYRL,

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 4>r slash Anarcho Capitalism r slash Jordan Peterson, as well

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 4>as the four Chan themed subreddits. I should also note

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:54.320
<v Speaker 4>that scrolling these subreddits is not necessarily indicative of someone's

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:59.399
<v Speaker 4>political orientation. I myself scroll many of these subreddits, as

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 4>do actually a political friends of mine who check out

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 4>these subreddits regularly just for shits and giggles. This is

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:12.839
<v Speaker 4>politics as meme subredits like Political Compass and TPUSA are

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:18.360
<v Speaker 4>popular political subreddits with explicitly comedic purpose, including making fun

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.759
<v Speaker 4>of Charlie Kirk in a memified fashion. And I don't

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.799
<v Speaker 4>know if the roommate visited those two specific subredits, but

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm just using them as an example. Utah Governor Spencer

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<v Speaker 4>Cox says that the roommate did not have any knowledge

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 4>of Tyler Robinson's planned attack and has been incredibly cooperative

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:38.360
<v Speaker 4>throughout the course of the investigation. Sources have told Axios

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:42.800
<v Speaker 4>that investigators initially wanted information about the roommates' gender identity

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 4>to not be publicly reported. The right is certainly eager

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 4>to make any sort of transgender connection to this shooting.

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 4>The New York Post has referred to this shooting as

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 4>another shooting by trans people and their advocates. The actual

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 4>motivation of the shooter is still currently unknown. Governor Cox

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 4>has described his ideology as leftist, while also noting quote,

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:10.440
<v Speaker 4>there was a lot of gaming going on. Friends have

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:15.040
<v Speaker 4>confirmed that there was that deep dark internet Reddit culture

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:18.240
<v Speaker 4>and other dark places of the Internet where this person

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 4>was going deep. You saw that on the casings. I

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 4>didn't have any idea what those inscriptions meant, but they

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 4>are certainly the memification that is happening in our society today.

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 3>Unquote. That's pretty much all we know so far. Now

0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 3>go touch some grass.

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