1 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: Cowboys. 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: This is Mick Shot screaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys app. Now Here are Bill Jones, 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: Hecma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola. 7 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 3: It is a Tuesday inside the SWBC podcast studio at 8 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 3: the Beautiful Star in Frisco, and Heckma Harrison says, come 9 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: on in to another edition of Mickshot. Jones, they should 10 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: be Hall of Famer. Everson Walls, Hecma Harrison. 11 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: Should be Hall of Famer, Will will be a Hall 12 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: of Famer. 13 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: Cowboy blue today is that we all got blue? 14 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 5: Boy? 15 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: Blue? 16 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 5: Got blue under here? No? No, well you got a 17 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 5: shell it playing? Okay, you can't just I will tell 18 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 5: me about it. We all. 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 6: Underwear, doesn't you got your cowboy underwear? 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 5: Such a good little boy. 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 6: And somebody just recently they were they were dressing for 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 6: their college game and they go on, you gotta have 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 6: special underwear. 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 5: Oh wow, yeah, probably someone told you. Somebody told him that. 25 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: I like that baby blue color. 26 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: Then man, I got this Christmas man and my wife 27 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: got this swimming man. 28 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 4: That's sweet North Carolina. 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what she was going for. 30 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I said that, helmet. 31 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: Don't even say it, because you don't even say it. 32 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: Take you too low, don't do it. Just stop right there, 33 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: Just stop, because just stop. 34 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 4: We got a lot to get to and a short 35 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: time to get there. 36 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: We got today, and we got tomorrow, and then they've 37 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: given us off on Thursday, New Year's Day, and the day. 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 4: After and so second New Year the day. 39 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, yep. So and there's a lot a 40 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: lot going on to Jerry was on the radio today 41 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: talking about we got Pro Football Hall of Fame finalists 42 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: announced this morning, right, and we had eventful afternoon yesterday 43 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: with a shot and Ibor press conference, and Mickey is 44 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: looking at the fifteen finalists. 45 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 5: I was, well, they dropped me off the morning. He 46 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 5: dropped me off back in the corner. 47 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: These are modern day. 48 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 5: Oh, let me take a look at this. 49 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: I was sitting there to make the cut for the 50 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 4: old time. 51 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 5: No I should did. The old time has dropped me off. 52 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 5: Let see what's happening here? 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 4: So where do you want to start? 54 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 5: Give me some good news on that? Come on, give 55 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 5: me some. 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 4: Bit way down the list. They do it alphabetically. 57 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: Two cowboys who are Hall of Fame finalists made the 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 3: cut two fifteen and Mickey, you got them right there. 59 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 4: You got to go all the way to the w's right. 60 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 6: Get me find Jason Wit and figure it out there 61 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 6: his first time being eligible, correct. And then of course 62 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 6: Darren Woodson in his eighteenth year of eligibility, he is 63 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 6: a finalist top fifteen for the fourth time. 64 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 5: Okay, so this is nothing new for you again again. 65 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: How many opportunities do you get before you move into 66 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: Everson walls. 67 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 5: To get old? 68 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 4: I think you have twenty years, so he's got this 69 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 4: is eighteen, So two more. A'clock's ticking here. We've got 70 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: to get this done, and it's about time they did it. 71 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 5: Just a bad time, I mean past. What's different this 72 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 5: year from the other year, Like the voters would would like, 73 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 5: I have Gary Meyers always in my corner. He does 74 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 5: all the listening for me. I'm sure Woody has his 75 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 5: own people, but. 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 4: He needs me. 77 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 5: Is that what it is? Yes? But there are times 78 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 5: when things stack up well, like there are times when 79 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 5: they say, hey man, you got a really good chance 80 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 5: this time because you know, no other cowboys going in 81 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 5: and blah blah blah blah some bs that never works out. 82 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 5: But with Woody seems to be the same situation. Is 83 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 5: this a special year to where things stack up well 84 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 5: for him to finally do it? I mean, you know, 85 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 5: are we not putting in any safeties this year? He's 86 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 5: the only safety? 87 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 4: There's the issue this year? 88 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: Now you had one that dropped out on his own 89 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: because he started quarterback in that year. It was cult 90 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: so otherwise Philip Rivers would have been a uh. He's 91 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: a first time eligible. Took himself out of the running 92 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: several weeks ago. But the first year eligible? 93 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: Do you have them? Handy there? Drew Brees is one 94 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 4: of them, and he made. 95 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 3: The cut obviously. Larry Fitzgerald obviously made the cut and 96 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 3: he's in his first year eligible. Eli Manning it's his 97 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: second years. Keithley is second year, second year? 98 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 4: Okay, who else was there? 99 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 6: There was a couple? There was four, wasn't there? 100 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: But anyway, the problem to answer your question is now 101 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: you've got new guys entering in. Who might be Larry 102 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: Fitzgerald you know, and Drew Brees are sitting there as possibilities. 103 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 6: His first year and four of the guys four of 104 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 6: the guys in the group. Was it four or seven? 105 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 6: Four that were finalists last year? 106 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 5: Any defensive players besides with. 107 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 3: Him, I can run off the list for you. Here's 108 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: here's the entire list, in alphabetical order. Tackle Willie Anderson, 109 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: who is a like six time as a final semi finalists, 110 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: Drew Brees first time, Jerry Evans, offensive guard, Larry Fitzgerald, 111 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: Frank Gore, Tory Holt, Luke Keikley, Eli Manning. 112 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he was a good twelve times there 113 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 7: when I was trying to get it, they got talked 114 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 7: to Tory, Yeah, what about I think I thought he 115 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 7: was I thought he made it. 116 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 5: I thought had. 117 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 4: Made nine was his last year playing? 118 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: Uh? 119 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 4: Luke Keikley next to each other, Eli Manning. 120 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: Terrell Suggs, Arrel Suggs, Terrell Suggs, Sanitary, Reggie Wayne, Yeah, nice, 121 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: Kevin Williams defensive tackle Jason Whitten, Darren Woods and Marshall on. 122 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 5: So what about uh retired senior? They don't have? That was? 123 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: This was a who this was that was already announced previously. 124 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: They did the disservice last year by not getting the 125 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: maximum voted in last year. 126 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 4: They only had four of last years. 127 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: They needed to go do the maximum every year, and 128 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: then you start chipping away at it, you know, but 129 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: it makes the Q rather long there. 130 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 6: It's like everything that needed to be said about what 131 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 6: he so far has been said. I don't know what 132 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 6: else you can point out the fact that he ended 133 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 6: up in this franchise as the leading tackler. All right, 134 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 6: all these defensive guys in the Hall of Fame, he's 135 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 6: got more tackles than. 136 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 5: Every one of them, everyone defensive Dallas Cowboy Hall of Fame. 137 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, and or the Maring of Honor. Right, So what 138 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 6: more can you say. It's almost like you got to 139 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 6: scold these guys that are voting. It's like, come on, 140 00:07:58,880 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 6: get up, off your But. 141 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 5: I think it's tougher obviously as you get older. But 142 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 5: you know, the media hadn't always been, you know, the 143 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 5: bastion of fairness. So there are times when you get 144 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 5: media guys that they don't even do the job. And 145 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 5: even though they have this responsibility, I don't think they 146 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 5: take the time to even do the research. Uh, they've 147 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 5: always got you know, we've always every media guy has 148 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 5: his guide, you know, we got Woody. You know, let's say, 149 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 5: if you were older, you got Woody. But speaking on 150 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 5: it in the terms, I'm saying, if you were the 151 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 5: guys out, one of those young guys that I was 152 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 5: talking about, you wouldn't even care to look back on 153 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 5: any other player. You wouldn't care to look back on 154 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 5: Woodi's uh, you know, history, no one, no one cares 155 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 5: about that. 156 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 6: And a lot of them haven't seen them play. 157 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 5: And that's the problem. 158 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: Here are the other candidates. The seniors category finalists are Anderson, 159 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: Roger Craig, and Elsie greenwood Man, along with coach finalists 160 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: Bill Belichick and contributor finalist Robert Kraft. 161 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: And it's a. 162 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 3: Maximum number of five modern era players can be voted 163 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: in with a minimum positive vote of eighty percent for election. 164 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 6: So have all four guys on the Steel Curtain in 165 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame except for Elsie? 166 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 4: Uh hechman. Do you know any of those people? 167 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: Do? I don't? 168 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, this was a layout. 169 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: Yes, I thank you, but yeah, I think my uncle 170 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: got He passed out a lot of gold jackets, So yeah, 171 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: Elsie's probably. 172 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 5: Elsie and I made the Black College Hall of Fame 173 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 5: before he passed and man, he's you probably of course 174 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 5: knew him, knew of him, and yeah he's a show 175 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 5: up dresser. Yeah, you couldn't tell me he wasn't handsome. 176 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 5: He would tell them, He tell you he's handsome. And 177 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 5: so he's one of those guys that just had a 178 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 5: great personality, just like pretty much all the other guys 179 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 5: on that still couldtain. 180 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 6: You know what I remember about when he passed away. 181 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 6: I remember Joe Green talking about it, and he was 182 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 6: he's the last I think, living member of that steel 183 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 6: curtain and LC passed away, and he said, you know, 184 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 6: the hard thing for me is when you get older, 185 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 6: he said sometimes and this resonated with me. He goes, 186 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 6: these guys were all my best friends, and he goes, 187 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 6: as you get older, you don't make friends that are 188 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 6: that good of friends when you get older. You make 189 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 6: them when you're younger and you carry them with you. 190 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 6: But when you get older, say you get to fifty 191 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 6: or sixty, Now, how many great friends have you just made? 192 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 6: And I thought about it, and I go, yeah, he's 193 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 6: kind of right. 194 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 5: That's an easy call because with those great friends that 195 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 5: you've had for a while, the key word is trust. 196 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 5: You know, you can't just trust someone that you just 197 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 5: met the way you trust someone who is who has 198 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 5: carried that with you, y'all's entire you know, relationship. 199 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 6: Yeah, the blood sweating, Yeah, man, you know they're not 200 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 6: just playing. 201 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, there are times when those guys, you know whatever, 202 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 5: whoever they still curtain guys were or whoever your older 203 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 5: friends are. You know, you there have been moments where 204 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 5: they've passed the test, you know, and you passed the 205 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 5: test for them as well. So it's not just about 206 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 5: you know, what can I what can you do for me? 207 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 5: It's always about what I can do for you as 208 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 5: a friend. 209 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the Greenwood family would be happy, uh 210 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: if he were to make it to be a Hall 211 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: of Famer again. I think he was most proud of 212 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: being from Arkansas Pine Bluff, you know, being from being 213 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: a guy from Mississippi, but going to HBCUs and in 214 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: that time, as you know, man, that was everything. To 215 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: be able to represent black colleges and being a Black 216 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: college Hall of Famer means a lot, meant a lot 217 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: to him. I got the opportunity to meet him when 218 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: I was very young, and you got to understand when Monk, 219 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: who was winning Super Bowls. I had no consciousness of 220 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: anything that he was doing, So I always asked the 221 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: silly question, Hey, people still write you fan mail, you know, 222 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: just understanding who these guys were. But so many of 223 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 2: those guys that are on that list, the great champions 224 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: of our game, that don't that do all of this 225 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: hard work for that one moment to be classified as 226 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. It gets disappointing. And I mean 227 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: I stopped talking when people talk about Woody, It just 228 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: it ticks me off on a whole other level to 229 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: see him have to go this many years without the 230 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: recognition that his career deserved. But I understand that for 231 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: every Darren Woodson, there's another guy out there, there's another 232 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: organization that has another guy just like him. And so 233 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: not that it falls on deaf ears, it's just there 234 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: are a lot of guys that are waiting to have 235 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: that recognition, and I think the right thing, doing the 236 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: right thing. 237 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 5: And yeah, they they're so hasty in regards to Okay, 238 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 5: I gotta get him in now, and no one wastes 239 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 5: their turn. You know, you keep trying to push another 240 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 5: guy over another person. So yeah, that's I think the 241 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 5: way it starts to get jumbled where you start trying 242 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 5: to stack somebody over a person that's been waiting for 243 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 5: like ten years, and. 244 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 4: They are eighteen years in Woody's case. 245 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: So when you talk about first ballot Hall of Famers, 246 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: and this would be for Jason Witten, he'd be a 247 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer if he made it. Would 248 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: you be shocked? 249 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: Here's the deal and this will clarify for everybody. There 250 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: are four first year eligible finalists this year. The four 251 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 3: are Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Frank Gore, and Jason Witten. 252 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 3: And there's only five that are getting in a maximum 253 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: five the second year guys. Second year eligible guys who 254 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 3: are finalists this year Keickley, Manning, Suggs, Vined Terry in 255 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: the end of So there's nine in their first or 256 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: second year that our finalists. 257 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 4: Out of the guest fifteen. 258 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 6: Here half of those first you said, Ary, wow, half 259 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 6: of those four will make. 260 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: It two of them? 261 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 4: Two of them? 262 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 6: So which would Brew Breeze, Breezezgerald? 263 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 4: Would it leaves three spots? 264 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Kickley would be one for me. That's just you know, 265 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: just thinking off the top. And Terrell Suggs was incredible 266 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: but again. 267 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 5: Damn all of them? 268 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: Man? 269 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then uh so Woody eighteenth year of eligibility. 270 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 6: Uh. 271 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: Will of the other finalists, Willie Anderson's in his thirteenth 272 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: year of eligibility, Cory Holt in his twelfth, Reggie Wayne 273 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: is seventh, Kevin Williams a first time finalist, uh sixth 274 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: year of eligibility so, and Jarry Evans fourth year. 275 00:14:58,600 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 4: So I covered all of them. 276 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 6: I think the thing that upsets me about what he 277 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,479 Speaker 6: are the safeties that have previously gone in recently. 278 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 4: I can't curious. 279 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 5: They cannot they cannot. 280 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: Was it was it after the Steve Atwater? Was it 281 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: after that? I didn't want to say? Was that the 282 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: one for you? 283 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 5: For me? Man? That was the one for me? Come on, 284 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 5: I mean you can I've met my last year Brian Dawkins. 285 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 5: I love Brian Dawkins. All those guys are, they're all eligible, 286 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 5: they're all worthy. But man, what's the rush? 287 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 288 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 5: What's the rush? That that really surprised. 289 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: Dave that Water ever go in the slot and take 290 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 4: on Jerry. 291 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 5: He did not think he ever played man man in 292 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 5: his life. Yeah, not even on the tight end. 293 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: You get the you get the text from so it's 294 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: probably it's probably time to switch to a lighter subject. 295 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 5: Move on, you want to talk about. 296 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: No, he says, there's there's another W. Witton and Woodson. Well, 297 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: there's another W. There's a wall. 298 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, should already be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, 299 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 4: that's crazy, right, all right, so there's that, Mickey. 300 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: I want to have the Eberflus conversation. Did you hear 301 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: the one five three? Yes? I did? 302 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 4: Please please Jerry. Jerry was on one O five three 303 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 4: the fan this morning. Right, you got a recap, boy, 304 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: there was a lot of point. 305 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 6: There's a lot kah. 306 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: Dak Dak's playing. 307 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 5: Oh man for real? 308 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 4: Start there. 309 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, uh, Iberflus is not singularly responsible for the defensive struggles. 310 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 4: Of course, there's that. 311 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 6: The biggest problem with the defense was the cornerback position, 312 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 6: and that's what I picked. Before he answered it, I 313 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 6: got have answered it for him. 314 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 4: So some they asked him what's what what position? 315 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 6: Discip pointed you the most defense, and then linebacker came up. 316 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: I will prepare and we'll do it in the next segment. 317 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 3: A text that I sent to a friend about the 318 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 3: cornerback position. 319 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 4: That will put it. 320 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 3: All that will be a review of what they went 321 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 3: through at cornerback this season. 322 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 4: But go ahead. 323 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 6: I already reviewed it with Douglas when I had listened 324 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 6: to what Jerry said. 325 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 4: But yeah, we can do that. 326 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 6: They had to ask the perfunctory question about would you 327 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 6: change how you operate the franchise. It's like it's a 328 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 6: standard question every year, right, Well, you didn't win the 329 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 6: Super Bowl, so do you have to change how. 330 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: You would never play scrabble with this guy. 331 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 6: It's like they're obligated, right, And it was a great answer. 332 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: We'll get to it, especially since it. 333 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 6: Was spur of the moment, right, you remember how we 334 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 6: answered it about he was talking about guys that were 335 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 6: in the gold rush in the day and they had 336 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 6: a pick and they just kept swinging and swinging and. 337 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 4: They never hit gold. And they never hit gold. 338 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 6: They kept hitting rock and then the one time you swing, 339 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 6: you hit gold. 340 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: So you got to keep swinging. That's that's his mantra 341 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 2: as a businessman. That's how he became a billionaire mining 342 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 2: for stuff that wasn't there. And the next thing you 343 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 2: know is Spindle took well. 344 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 6: And he didn't use oil, he used gold, right, And 345 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 6: he didn't hesitate when they asked him the question. It 346 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 6: was the spur of the moment parable on the gold Diggers, 347 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 6: and it's just amazing. And he never said no, we're 348 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 6: not changing. He just said you got to keep swinging 349 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 6: and you never know when you hit. 350 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 4: So we have breaking news. 351 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: Okay from Tom Pellicero. 352 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: Let me make sure, all right, are you saying I'm 353 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: pertaining to the cowboys. 354 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: It's returning to pertaining to the cowboys and the cornerback 355 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: position on the Cowboys. I'm making sure that there's a 356 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: blue check mark by this. Tom Pelasero leg Yeah. Wow, 357 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: want me to check it out before I. 358 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: Le us check this out. 359 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 4: It looks like I break it, will come back with 360 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 4: the breaking news. I was going to get it. 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You can 410 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 6: do your own wave sounder the way the AP wire 411 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 6: used the ding ding ding ding All. 412 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 3: Right, and I think Todd Archer may have had it first. 413 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: I'll give him credit. 414 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 5: Adam Adam Schefter has it as well. 415 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sir, but he after one person. 416 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: Cowboys have released a cornerback, Trayvon Diggs. He goes through 417 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: the waiver process and if unclaimed, he will be a 418 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 3: free agent. 419 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: So there you go. Somebody know they won't what I 420 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 4: was gonna say for. 421 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 6: One one game if you need a corner and you 422 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 6: think he can still play, although he's not demonstrated that 423 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 6: you can pick him up for one week of pay, right, 424 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 6: because you don't get paid during the playoffs unless you 425 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 6: share whatever the share is. 426 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 5: Already had texted bye bye bye Diggs. 427 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 3: There's a Al Harris coaches in Chicago coach team before. 428 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: Right, and where else you're going with that? Bill? 429 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 5: And he got that's it. That's it. There's a that 430 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 5: was a spread. 431 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 3: Would be an obvious landing spot. Yeah, a team that's 432 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 3: headed for the playoffs. 433 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: I just I just want to say, look for me. 434 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: He himill. 435 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 11: Can he take a lot of guys, A lot of guys, 436 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 11: do a lot of guys if he still if he 437 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 11: still loves the game, you know the way that that 438 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 11: you would need him to. 439 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 2: I just, man, I hate the I hate the way 440 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: that it all ended here for him in Dallas, and 441 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, I know it was tied a lot 442 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: to Michael because him and Michael was good friends. But 443 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: it's a it's a certain amount of professionalism that guys 444 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 2: bring to their job and who they are, their family 445 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: and all that. I love you, Everson Wallas, but listen, man, 446 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be here. You know what I'm saying. You know, 447 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 2: so when you tie yourself into someone and then you know, 448 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: it all goes down, goes downhill and all this, Like 449 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: I think for me, it was the television following on 450 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: your head deal. 451 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 5: Oh is that what happened? 452 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 6: Well, that's that's. 453 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: Okay, you learn that, Mickey. I'm not going there. I'm 454 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: just gonna go with the story. Sometimes the story is, 455 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: you know, this stranger than fiction, and so things like 456 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: that that have happened. It's like, man, come on, man, 457 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 2: you can't. You can't be that kind of guy. And 458 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: and then you know, Lead, I remember the interview that 459 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 2: you did with him when you YouTube for seven. Yeah, 460 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: when y'all sat down one on one for him, got 461 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: an Emmy by the way, there it go, thank you. 462 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 5: He got it. 463 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: But but it was but it was also what you said, 464 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: But it was I felt like that was a passing 465 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 2: of the torch from you I was supposed to be that. Yes, okay, yes, 466 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: and so man, what a fumble, you know, what a fumble. 467 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: And it's unfortunate. But maybe because he got the numbers 468 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: that he has. 469 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, he and I share that uh 470 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 5: a team team lead together in interceptions, you would think 471 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 5: that he would, you know, kind of solidify himself here 472 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 5: for quite some time. I was able to hang in 473 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 5: here for nine years, uh barely made a coaching change 474 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 5: with him. It's been a little bit more volatile during 475 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 5: his career, and that that also says a lot about 476 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 5: how your career might be with one particular organization. It 477 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 5: depends on sometimes other factors that you know, might end 478 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 5: up determining how long you're going to be in a 479 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 5: certain place. And some of those factors they were brought 480 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 5: on by himself, and I would I would say that myself. 481 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 5: When Michael left, it seems as if so did he, 482 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 5: you know, in his heart, it seemed like he left 483 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 5: the organization at least for a minute. And then when 484 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 5: it seemed like things were going well, you could, as 485 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 5: Mickey was talking about, you could see what he was 486 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 5: a little bit more engaged, and I was hoping that 487 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 5: was going to be the last sentiment that we had 488 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 5: for this year, and that would keep him here for 489 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 5: the next year and years after that. 490 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Mick. 491 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 6: Number one on the television thing. Would you try to 492 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 6: mount a big screen TV? 493 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: No, sir, and I would pay someone good money to. 494 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 6: Do, especially if you were making twelve million this year. Yeah, 495 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 6: it's just a it doesn't that. 496 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 5: Ain't no no that you can mount the TV without 497 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 5: killing himself half almost you can just mount it, mount 498 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 5: the TV at home. I'm freaking sixty. 499 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 4: What's the what's the what's the feel? 500 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 5: That's that hard? 501 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 4: The geek squad? Squad? I think it's a major. 502 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I got like a sixty five at home. 503 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 4: I mean, come on, making twice that I don't know. 504 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 5: Well, then he just needed help. He needed somebody else. 505 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 4: LP. 506 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 6: You know, I saw them mount mine, and I saw 507 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 6: two guys doing it and they were struggling. 508 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 5: Well, you know, you had like one hundred inches. 509 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. 510 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 5: I'm just talking about them easily sixty five inch man. 511 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 6: Come on, he didn't buy no sixty five. 512 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 5: Hold up. 513 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 6: It's just it's just a shame that, you know, it 514 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 6: was a steal when they got them in the second round, right, 515 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 6: and had such a great first couple of years, and 516 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 6: then things went downhill. He gets hurt, disappointed the team 517 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 6: by not rehabbing here wasn't ready to play the start 518 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 6: of training cap which they projected, wasn't ready really to 519 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 6: play the start of the season. But it wasn't that 520 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 6: it was injury related. He wasn't ready to play football 521 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 6: because he hadn't done anything right, and you know, and 522 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 6: an excuse came back. 523 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 4: While he's still rehabbing. 524 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 6: Well, he'd been rehabbing for nine months. And then it 525 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 6: was one of those things where Okay, are these knees 526 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 6: worn out? And is this something that's gonna happen again 527 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 6: and again? And it was both knees, right. So the 528 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 6: last one was the surgery on the good knee. 529 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 3: From a team standpoint, salary cap standpoint, is it behoove 530 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 3: the Cowboys to do it now rather than waiting until 531 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 3: the next business year where you make him a post 532 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 3: June first cut. 533 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 4: Do you know the answer to that? 534 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 5: I do. 535 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: They've got plenty of salary cap space to handle whatever 536 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: comes due. 537 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 5: Now. 538 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: I look this up. 539 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 4: If that could be. 540 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 3: A reason beyond just you know, so that it actually 541 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 3: benefits the Cowboys from a salary cap standpoint going forward 542 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: next year. To do it now where you don't have 543 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 3: any of his money on the books for next year, maybe. 544 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 4: I don't know. So they've got twenty million dollars of 545 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 4: salary cap. 546 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 6: He still had five point eight million of pro rated 547 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 6: signing bonus to count for. So I believe that happens immediately, right, 548 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 6: like if you had traded them or cut them, right, 549 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 6: it goes into this year. If they did June one, 550 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 6: then it would be two point nine two point nine 551 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 6: in six and twenty seven. If he did it immediately 552 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 6: next year, then it was five point eight. So maybe 553 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 6: they figured we could absorb we're not keeping them, right, 554 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 6: we can absorb the five point eight. And I don't 555 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 6: think his base salary this year was guaranteed. So whatever 556 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 6: one eighteenth of his base. 557 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 4: Was eight point five million, was his base. 558 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 6: Eight point five, So you got up one to eighteenth. 559 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 6: Next year it's fourteen. 560 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 3: So a team picking him up on waivers, claiming him 561 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 3: on waivers is only due one more week, which is 562 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: four hundred and fifty thousand. 563 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 4: Dollars, right, So somebody could do that. Yeah, and he 564 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 4: has no guaranteed money after that. 565 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, so you could rent him for the playoffs basically 566 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 6: if you think he can help you. 567 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: And they've seen some evidence over the last two weeks 568 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: whether they would want to do that or not. 569 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 6: Right and judge what they have and what is this 570 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 6: compared to what we're playing with. 571 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 5: I would imagine how he's thinking real hard right now. 572 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 6: Right, I would imagine he probably thinks get it back 573 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 6: out of he's lobbying. Yeah, yeah, one of one of 574 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 6: the uh well, and how many other cowboy assistant coaches 575 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 6: are out there Seattle? 576 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 4: Well, but they don't need him, right yeah. 577 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 6: Aiden dirty right, he's the defensive coordinator in Seattle and 578 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 6: they're in the playoffs. 579 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: Let bears have you know? Right? 580 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? 581 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, so and they just got their other guy back, 582 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 6: the guy that got the tip interception to start that game. 583 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 3: Well, Jalen Johnson, Yeah, thank you who deflected the ball 584 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,479 Speaker 3: and t J Edwards he deflected it. 585 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 586 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: Now that's man, this is I mean, And I'm glad 587 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: we didn't get this after the podcast was over. How 588 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 2: about that? 589 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 5: How about that? 590 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 2: Come on, guys, act like you know what to do 591 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: when you get breaking news. It's that's your first rodeo 592 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: here Mickey, you know you got plenty of saying he's 593 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: been in your doghouse for a long time. 594 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 5: And this. 595 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 6: The reason it took him so long to play is 596 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 6: they didn't want him to get hurt. They were just 597 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 6: biding their time, and then they felt like, all right. 598 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: So that you think this was the game plan to 599 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 3: activating him two weeks ago? 600 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 4: Where the two or the I think if there wasn't, 601 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 4: you're doing him as. 602 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 3: Solid by doing that and showing other teams that that, okay, 603 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 3: here's what you can do, and then they cut them 604 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 3: and they can. 605 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 6: I think they felt like they were forced to do 606 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 6: it when Deron Bland needed the surgery. 607 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 5: And you gotta you gotta know the Trayvon had to 608 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 5: know this was coming. 609 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 6: How many games when he got there, playing how many 610 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 6: games as well. 611 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 5: As he can to show or is he playing is 612 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 5: just enough to where he does get himself hurt? 613 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 4: I think that. 614 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 3: I think though the bottom line on it is the 615 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: Cowboys feel like this benefits them going forward from a 616 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: financial standpoint to do it now rather than I mean, 617 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: you could just make h men active on Sunday. 618 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 4: Because they had money available because. 619 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: Of Yeah, they got like twenty million dollars available, they 620 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 3: can absorb whatever the hit is and then that the 621 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: slatest clean going into the next business year. So that 622 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 3: was what they had to factor in from a business standpoint. 623 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 3: Does it does it benefit us more to wait or 624 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 3: does it benefit us more to handle it now? And 625 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 3: they decided it it benefits it more to handle it now. 626 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 5: What if it goes to Green Bay with his boy? Yeah, well, 627 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 5: I mean reunited. 628 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 7: Good. 629 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, that's when everything went south, but 630 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 5: that that probably down. 631 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 4: I would wouldn't be surprised if that's his choice. Yeah, 632 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 4: there's waivers. Yeah. 633 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 6: Well, and there were rumors out there that they tried 634 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 6: to do that part of the trade. 635 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: Well's send both of them. 636 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 6: Yeah wow, Okay, as I qualified, there were rumors, Okay, 637 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 6: nothing that was verified. 638 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 3: All right, So can I run down what the Cowboys 639 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: have done at the cornerback. 640 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 4: Position this seasons? Okay? All right? 641 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 3: Aside from Diggs, who, by the way, this what someone 642 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 3: sent me this tweet over the weekend, which states from 643 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 3: NFL researcher. Per Next Gen Stats, Trayvon has allowed a 644 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty six point three passer rating and 645 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 3: coverage in twenty twenty five, the highest among six hundred 646 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 3: and sixteen cornerbacks with at least twenty targets in a 647 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 3: season since twenty twenty. A perfect passer rating is one 648 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,959 Speaker 3: fifty eight point three fifty six point three, okay. Next 649 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 3: highest allowed was Tay Banks of the Giants at won 650 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 3: thirty six point three. 651 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 4: Okay. So this was my response to my friend. Okay, okay. 652 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 3: So that's how Diggs has performed, and he missed eight 653 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 3: games this seaar. And then you had Deran Bland who's 654 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 3: been dealing with a foot injury in the season. So 655 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 3: this is what the defensive coordinator has been dealing with 656 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 3: on this defense all year. So there's one hundred and 657 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: ninety million dollars worth of contract at the cornerback position. 658 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 3: So it's not like when these guys are hobbled that 659 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 3: you can just go out and you've already spent one 660 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 3: hundred ninety million dollars at the cornerback position, all right. 661 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 3: So and then they had a rookie cornerback coming off 662 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 3: in the surgery who wasn't available to the second avenue. 663 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 2: You with this, QBR was I don't know this. 664 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 4: Okay. 665 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 3: There you go a second year cornerback with a bad knee, 666 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 3: which is Kaylen So a second year cornerback with a 667 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 3: bad knee, Kayln Carson, a second year cornerback who was 668 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 3: Ready Stewart who was cut by the Vikings in August, 669 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: a rookie seventh round pick Bridges who was cut by 670 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 3: the Chargers in August, and a first round bust in 671 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 3: kyir Elam who they got in a trade early in 672 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 3: the off season from the Bills, who's now with Tennessee 673 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 3: and can't get on the field at Tennessee. 674 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he started four or five. 675 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 3: Games to start the season, But it's Zebraflus's fault what 676 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 3: happened with his defense this year. 677 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 6: Because they tried to play zone to protect all these guys. 678 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we can't do that. We can't. We can't 679 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 2: because then what starts to happen when you start talking 680 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 2: about zone versus man and all that. That's assuming that 681 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 2: guys don't know how to play that technique and I'm 682 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 2: sitting next to it. Should be hall of famer, a 683 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: black college Hall of famer that has probably probably been 684 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: playing quarters coverage since his days in high school. 685 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 5: With me, Just agree, Just come on, besides that, Okay, 686 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 5: besides that, but you. 687 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 2: Know what, you know what I mean, it's it's the 688 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 2: fact that guys get out there and this argument that 689 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 2: in listening to to Jerry earlier about the d fence, 690 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 2: and there's this crowd that says, obviously, get rid of 691 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 2: e reflues. But then there's the other crowd that says, 692 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 2: you don't have any talent the way that Bill is saying. 693 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 2: And so what do you do when you don't have 694 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 2: the scheme that fits the guys? And I don't know 695 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 2: what scheme would have fit this secondary, especially with what 696 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 2: the guys that you're talking about, first round bus, guys 697 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 2: that were cut from other organizations, guys that have been 698 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 2: cut from here and have gone to other places and 699 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 2: can't get on the field. So that tells you everything 700 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 2: that you need to know about the talent that Dallas 701 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 2: has been dealing with. 702 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 5: For Severn, I think I think the only guy that has, 703 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 5: you know, following Uphill on this is Nay Sean, because 704 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 5: Sean at one point he's leading the league interceptions. Louis 705 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 5: playing in Chicago, okay, and and they're doing well. He's 706 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 5: in the playoffs right now, so you know, I don't 707 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 5: know what, Yeah, he's but yeah, but nah, I you know, 708 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 5: that's the way I see it. I see one person 709 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 5: that has followen up Hill that up here and he's. 710 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 3: Doing then it took him some time to find a 711 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 3: home because he was with the Viking last year, but 712 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 3: now here he is, you know, after Harris goes to Chicago. 713 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 5: Okay, so sometimes you know, you have players that can 714 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 5: adapt to the defense, but I wouldn't put Yeah, secondary sucks, 715 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 5: we got that, but the secondary wasn't the ones that 716 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 5: giving up all these running plays. You know, We've been 717 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 5: getting gassed for three years now, you know, and nothing 718 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,919 Speaker 5: changed this year. I think that's what upset me more 719 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 5: was we didn't do anything better in our running game 720 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 5: defensively than we did before we even got the players 721 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 5: that we acquired. 722 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 6: Just a couple of games and then it fell apart. 723 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 6: Williams man, but. 724 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 5: Come on, man. So that's why I said, Okay, yeah, 725 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 5: secondary is one thing, but to me, if you can't 726 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 5: stop the run, then yeah, your secondary will look that way. 727 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 3: They thought they were taking care of that a couple 728 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 3: of years ago when Dan Quinn drafted Mozzie Smith. 729 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 5: No, yeah, I heard about that. How did that get right? 730 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 6: How did that and I'm going to have Jerry pointed 731 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 6: it out about things they didn't have on defense, and 732 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 6: he mentioned Lawrence, oh, pro bowler, Marcus Lawrence, And. 733 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 5: I would imagine he's very disappointed in the defensive backs 734 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 5: because of the one hundred and thirty eight million dollars 735 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 5: or whatever you got, one hundred and eighty million dollars 736 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 5: that is now just at this point, you know, going 737 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 5: up in a quarterback. How many games seventy eight? 738 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 6: How many games did Will Bland have missed? 739 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 3: I actually wrote that he'll miss five games total. He 740 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 3: missed two, he missed the Giants game, in the Bears 741 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 3: game early in the season, and then he's missing the 742 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 3: last three. 743 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 6: So that's thirteen us by your starting cornerback. 744 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 5: And so I'm sure all of that money, Yeah, that's 745 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 5: why he says the cornerbacks of the defensive back position 746 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 5: is most disappointing because he put more money into that 747 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 5: position than the other one. 748 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 4: And then who is your third cornerback to start the season. 749 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 4: I believe. 750 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 6: Started right, but if somebody's healthy, Oh yeah yeah. 751 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 4: Land is in the slot. 752 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 3: Land and Jigs are playing every play right, and then 753 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 3: Elam comes in in the nickel and Elam was here 754 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 3: for ten games and four starts and got cut. 755 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 5: And I remember looking at him in training camp. I'm going, Wow, 756 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 5: that guy's got good feet. 757 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 2: I thought so too, until the until the Rams showed up. Yeah, 758 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 2: the Ram showed up. That's oh, that changed everything. Adams 759 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 2: DeVante Adams. 760 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 3: Exposed him well, and the other possibility broken. 761 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 4: The other possible He got it. 762 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 3: The other possibility while we waited on was Kayln Carson. 763 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 3: And he got hurt in training camp, right and wasn't 764 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 3: available to start the season, right, All right? 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Baby. 806 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 3: You know this is our second to last mixed shots 807 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 3: of this calendar year. And one thing you can say 808 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 3: about us, at least we are consistent because we haven't 809 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 3: paid attention to this rundown all year. 810 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 4: Love, no here what stuff happens. We had an excuse today. 811 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 4: We had an excuse today. 812 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 3: All fame well and the Hall of fame was that 813 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 3: happened after after we got the running. 814 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 5: In the digs and digs thing. And I'm not even 815 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 5: the gam with the digs thing. I'm sorry, but you 816 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 5: know even his brother got in trouble today. Yeah, so yeah, man, 817 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 5: it's a lot going on with the digs up. Yeah. 818 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, he got charged about December second strangulation. 819 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, something else rough out there. 820 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 4: Boy, he's saying he didn't do it. 821 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 5: Okay, So I just had to. 822 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,760 Speaker 4: I just I couldn't let that go by without Okay. 823 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 4: So hecky accurate. You had all this work in for 824 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 4: our rundown, oh rundown. 825 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 5: So I want you to. 826 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,720 Speaker 4: Pick something, pick something, pick something. 827 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 2: You know, I really wanted to know from you guys, 828 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 2: who was when you're rebuilding this roster for twenty twenty six? Yeah, cornerback? 829 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 4: Is this boy? 830 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 2: Question? 831 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 4: Like this is jeopardy? 832 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 2: Okay, at least hit the buzzer? All right, who are 833 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 2: some positions that are untouched untouchable quarterback? 834 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 4: I'm not going to hold him to that they ain't 835 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 4: touched anybody. 836 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, Who's who's untouchable? Who's untouchable? And let's take dak 837 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 2: and quitting with off the table and the Kicker and 838 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 2: the Kicker okay and c D and okay and CD 839 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 2: and and the Tyler Smith. 840 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 4: Quenty Williams okay, Booker putting putting the list together here? 841 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 3: Yes, Booker, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think. 842 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,720 Speaker 6: I'm I want to give you somebody on defense, you know, Well, Williams, 843 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 6: it'll be it's a ROCKU, It'll be Bland is a rock. 844 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 2: Oh So yeah. 845 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 4: They they I think. 846 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 6: From whatever what we keep hearing, they would like to 847 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 6: resign Clowney. I would yeah, I like that one and 848 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,720 Speaker 6: maybe have him there now. Who knows if he wants 849 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 6: to do the off season and training. 850 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 5: He gotta do it, man, he gotta do it. I mean, 851 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 5: this guy, he showed me something. 852 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 6: I forgot how many games he's played, but he's tied 853 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 6: for the team. Who would have had this on their 854 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 6: Bengo card start the season that your two leading guys 855 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 6: with sacks at five and a half each would be 856 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 6: Jadavian Clowney and James Houston. 857 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, not a lot of people. 858 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 4: They weren't even on the Was Houston on the team? Well, yeah, I. 859 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 6: Think he was in training, Yeah, because I remember guys 860 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 6: talking about his ability to have sacks. But it's still 861 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 6: he wasn't good enough to play every down and he 862 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 6: wasn't good against them. 863 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 4: And the fact that he was even available to be picked. 864 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 6: Up, right because he had to go through UFL Right, 865 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 6: didn't he playing. 866 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 4: But he had? He had originally been with the Lions 867 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 4: and half a season with the Lions. 868 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 2: He's also unbelievable that we're talking team high in sacks 869 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 2: five and a half. 870 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 3: Yeah that when you got you look down south to 871 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 3: Houston and you've got Neil Hunter has. 872 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 4: Fourteen team high five and a half. 873 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 5: I mean, why wow? 874 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 3: Which, by the way, the Texans charges set expectations and 875 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 3: sacked Herbert five times right before the Cowboys couldn't touch Herbert, And. 876 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 2: I understand that contractually, there are a lot of guys 877 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 2: that are not going to be touched. I'm just talking 878 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 2: about from a foundation standpoint and the way that the 879 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,439 Speaker 2: team is woefully underperformed. Why are there certain guys even 880 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 2: still on this list that you would say are untouchable. Yeah, 881 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 2: I heard you say yesterday about trading in draft picks 882 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 2: for maybe going into free free agency to not go 883 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 2: so young, but get guys that approve and commodities to 884 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 2: make this team better that already has a bevy of 885 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 2: young guys on it. So it's just the disappointment of 886 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 2: the season to me is what I've been going to 887 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 2: cry about all through the off season. So whatever we 888 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 2: do in the draft, it has to be look otherwise. 889 00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 5: It's got to be defensive. It's got to be a 890 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 5: defensive side. That's number one. If we're going in the draft, 891 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 5: we gotta go on on the defense. Defensive side, I 892 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 5: think we all agree on that. 893 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 2: And so on the defensive side, if that first pick 894 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 2: in the draft is going to be which position best. 895 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 6: Player at cornerback or linebacker or defensive end? 896 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 2: Linebacker, give me one, Give me one position, Mickey, cornerback. 897 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 4: To be different, el say pass rusher, yeah. 898 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 2: Pass rusher, okay, linebacker, linebacker, but I will we gotta. 899 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 5: Stop the run. 900 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:35,839 Speaker 4: Can I get one? 901 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,319 Speaker 5: We gotta stop the run, guys, we gotta stop the runs. 902 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 4: The number one thing is to get. 903 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 6: Then, don't say pass rusher, say defensive end. 904 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 2: That's not. 905 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 3: Number one thing is to get the right kind of guy, yes, 906 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 3: at the at a position of need. 907 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 2: Okay. And so if we're going to say it, because 908 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 2: you have Kenny Clark already, and I think there's been 909 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,399 Speaker 2: this philosophy of you're going to have if you signed Clark, 910 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 2: you're gonna have is it three pass rushers making three 911 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 2: guys up front that are making twenty million or more? 912 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 2: Kenny Clark's inner contract under he's under you don't have 913 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 2: to sign him to anything now two years, okay. So 914 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 2: so there is a thought that Kenny Clark has to 915 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 2: be resigned or there's money out. 916 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 5: Of his nose. 917 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 6: They're saying that you want to restructure. 918 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 2: Restructure, Okay, So to what you restructure. 919 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 6: Well, he's as got to agree to it. Okay, you 920 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,320 Speaker 6: got to pay him to restructure, Okay. 921 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 2: So I'm just looking at this team, especially on defense, 922 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,759 Speaker 2: especially with all the blame that's been placed on ibra 923 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,800 Speaker 2: Flus throughout this season and the guys that he has, 924 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 2: how do you make this defense better? Even if you 925 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,839 Speaker 2: go with a different guy. That's where do you Where 926 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,840 Speaker 2: do you start with making it better? That's do you start. 927 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 5: With the coach? That's to me, that's a before we 928 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,800 Speaker 5: talk about picking anybody. Do we stick with the coach? 929 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:57,239 Speaker 2: Well? 930 00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 5: Defensive coordinated? 931 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 3: It's not just the coach, but the coach has coaches 932 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 3: that he brought with him from Chicago, And it's how 933 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 3: do all of those defensive coaches fit into the plan 934 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 3: that Shottennimor has and. 935 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,440 Speaker 5: With these new players, all of them pretty much still 936 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,719 Speaker 5: new and working together. Will that will that team fit 937 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,319 Speaker 5: with that defensive coordinator? That's still a question. Do we 938 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 5: still want him? What did Jerry say, we'll see, right, 939 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 5: we got three games to go at that time. 940 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 4: How there's one game to go. 941 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 2: You see how interesting that rundown was. I mean, how 942 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 2: you have to do is touch on one of those 943 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 2: subjects and then you know that's just saying no, it's 944 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 2: not thirst. I'm just telling you that that's how good 945 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 2: these rundowns are. 946 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 5: If we touch on any subject. 947 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,439 Speaker 2: Come, I'm just saying, hey, and we didn't talk about 948 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 2: the Giants, but I will say this about them. Go. 949 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,160 Speaker 2: If the Giants mess around and get one of these 950 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 2: good coaches that's about to be released, be fired. Hey, 951 00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 2: send us out of here. 952 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 3: Bill all right, and we're gonna do it one more 953 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 3: time in twenty twenty five tomorrow at. 954 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 5: High noon, Go Cowboys. 955 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 956 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,320 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboy