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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together everything, So don't don't don't hello like we

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Speaker 1: haven't done this year. College the Enemies, pose enemies, friend

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Speaker 1: of mees, ghost of poll Pot. Potentially it's a friend

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Speaker 1: a pull there's a pull pot out there, right. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do more Ben Shapiro stuff because my god,

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Speaker 1: it's hard getting back into the working thing. But we

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Speaker 1: should probably talk a little bit about Gillan Maxwell. Huh

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Speaker 1: is that what we're landing on? And how her name

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Speaker 1: is pronounce hit interviews? How to pronounce her name? Elane

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Speaker 1: Lane Garland I was on when I was on Fucking Harmontown,

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Speaker 1: Jeff May, who used to be friends with her, called

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Speaker 1: Jeff May was the co host of Harmontown, who related

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Speaker 1: a story about having known Gillen from some social events. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that was the wrong person. Jeff Davis was the co

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Speaker 1: host of Harmontown. Jeff May is a wonderful comedian and

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Speaker 1: podcaster UM who I have known for a while and

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Speaker 1: Twitter at hey there, Jeff Row j E. F f

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Speaker 1: r O on Twitter, apologies to Jeff May. I was

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Speaker 1: referring to Jeff Davis. Excuse me, Jeff May used to

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Speaker 1: be friends with her. Yeah, well yeah, just like they

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Speaker 1: wus over the most important part. Yeah, no, he he addressed.

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Speaker 1: He talked about like, yeah, she was like a socialite.

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Speaker 1: She was often at these parties. She was like, there's

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Speaker 1: no I could have come on any of Epstein's planes.

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Speaker 1: They were like big Hollywood parties. Like it was just

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Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know, he's not on any

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Speaker 1: It was just like she was somebody that he knew it,

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Speaker 1: like these big Hollywood soare she was at all of them.

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Speaker 1: She was a big socialite person. I think he called

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Speaker 1: it Gilden. I don't know, it doesn't matter. She's a

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Speaker 1: horrible person. Fucker. I don't care about her name. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think people are getting all excited that she's going

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Speaker 1: to roll on a bunch of people, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think anything particularly interesting is going to happen there. No,

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Speaker 1: don't to say that she couldn't roll on people. I

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Speaker 1: just don't think it's going to happen. Yeah, I don't either.

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Speaker 1: and that's good because she did monstrous things. Um. It

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Speaker 1: seems like they're did a lot of very powerful people

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Speaker 1: probably nothing will come of it. It's also like, if

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Speaker 1: she has damning information on a lot of powerful people? Oh?

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Speaker 1: For fucking sure. Do I think that the most reasonable

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Speaker 1: things she could do to protect herself is roll on them? No?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not, Like that's not how people that. I don't

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Speaker 1: how our system works. I don't think that's likely to happen.

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Speaker 1: You know that it's it's just not going to happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm sure there will be some stuff

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Speaker 1: And it does look like some of the court cases

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's going to come up with some

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Speaker 1: the consequences are going to be Oh, a lot of

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Speaker 1: and it's everything that Ben could be wrong about he

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Speaker 1: We all make mistakes, right, everybody's wrong, especially if you're

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Speaker 1: just like do do some keywords. Let's get back into

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Speaker 1: the saddle, you know, back in the high life again,

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Speaker 1: all the all the Ben Shapiro stories that saw me

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Speaker 1: a sentence. So the doctor's coming to start a reversal,

421
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: but they know that this guy is still in there,

422
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: so that's the doctor's coming to kill him. Okay, they're

423
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: the reverse is going to happen. They need to do

424
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: it in time, the doctors performing an abortion, but also

425
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: happens starting the process is also like an abortion. Taking

426
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: the pill so well, so taking the pill stops the process,

427
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: so it stops all keeps him small and undetectable so

428
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: that they can't do it. And but then he's stuck

429
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: for only as a couple of nutrition packets. Yeah, it

430
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: really should have stalked up on those, yeah pill, Yeah

431
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: I should have you know, well, you know, it's the

432
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: amounting needs for the amount of time he's in there.

433
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: It worked out, he's got a couple left, he's only

434
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: got a couple hours left. It seems like a good plan,

435
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: good system. No notes. The growth begins just as scheduled.

436
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: The pain brakes my body the birthing sequence. I can

437
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: feel each individual fascia linking skin to muscle, expanding, growing.

438
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: I scream silently into the halo. Thank god they made

439
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: the halo expandable along with me. It's true. Good luck.

440
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: Within an hour, I'm twice the size I was before.

441
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: The stomach is no longer looking quite so vast. The

442
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 1: fire behind my eyes makes me want to tear them out. Amy,

443
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: I remind myself, Amy new paragraph Amy Comma Amy space

444
00:28:46,000 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: dot dot dot so again Amy a formatting Amy. Also, Okay,

445
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: it's fine, He's it's also so there's something about I

446
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: think this growth that like like it's it's like describing

447
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: the pain of it, but also there's like a longing

448
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: you feel, like like the growth spurt that then never

449
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: had that he writes about that every every single character

450
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: has has the massive growth spurt that never happened to Ben,

451
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: which is the worst thing in his life. It's interesting

452
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: if that's his central motivation and all the art he

453
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: creates interesting just flagging that, just like putting a little

454
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: pin in that. Because there's a third short story and

455
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: God willing, somebody grows September. The stories do include a

456
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: man getting big. It does. So far we have we

457
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: have read pieces of one novel in two short stories,

458
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: and all of them include as a central plot point

459
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: a man getting big. That is very fun. That's very fun,

460
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: just throwing it out there, just something out there in

461
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: the ether. HM for maybe maybe if he's working on

462
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: a novel and listening to this, maybe maybe cut that

463
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: part out that you definitely already wrote, Maybe the part

464
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: that you're planning on doing where a character grows, Maybe

465
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: don't do it this time, I think Ben. My guess

466
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: is his current project is the just the novelization of

467
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: the Tom Hanks movie Big. One hopes hopes he one

468
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: hopes he ruins that story somehow perfect. That's just like

469
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: so many of the word big, so many times, and

470
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: everything sense. It's sure is, it's sure is tough being big,

471
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: he said bigly, alright from his big Big September. Two

472
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: days and end a wake up just fifty right, this

473
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: differently man, two days end a wake up just fifty

474
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: two hours period, new pair of graph of hell. The

475
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: doctor's here. I can feel the whale laugh. At this point.

476
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: I can't wait to rip his stomach out, especially as

477
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: the fiery blood rushes through my veins, growing me too

478
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: rapidly to adjust. My limbs feel stiff, heavy, ungainly, and

479
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: every time I try to move them, I find myself

480
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: thrashing about, flailing, so thrashing about. All Right, the doctor

481
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: says something. The whale laughs again and then his body

482
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: goes horizontal on his desk. How can you tell I

483
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: take a fleeting pleasure in the fact that he's smearing

484
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: himself with dust mites even as he does it. Yeah,

485
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: smearing himself with dust mites. I can't notice, because again,

486
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: hmans are incapable of seeing, more feeling, not really smearing

487
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: himself dust down, brushing dust mites probably has like some

488
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: sort of gal on too, So it's not it's a

489
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: bad word. He chose the wrong word. Wrong word, wrong word,

490
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: wrong word, wrong word. There only job is to choose

491
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: His only job is to choose the right word. He

492
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: did the wrong one anyway. Yeah, there are a few

493
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: beats on the stomach. There are a few beats on

494
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: the stomach, the doctor examining the whale, no doubt. Yeah,

495
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, you did that in a weird way

496
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: the first time. Yeah, there are a few beats on

497
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: the stomach, the doctor examining the whale, no doubt. And

498
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: then he sits back up. Well, a little more clear,

499
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: Still a little weird, but more clear than how I did.

500
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: Give me, give me a description of what it's like

501
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: when he lays down. I have to hold onto something

502
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: I can tell he's laying down because I lose my

503
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: sense of balance. Whatever it is he sits up and

504
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: blood rushes to my head. Whatever the fun something about right,

505
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: that's the thing. He's describing what's happening outside. He should

506
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: be describing what's happening in the stomach, the stomach, because

507
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: that's his experience. So he's like not something like he's

508
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: not the narrator and looking in saying the man sat

509
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: up right, he's inside the fucking belly. It's being written.

510
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: It's like this omniscient sort of voice when like oh

511
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: like and then jostling around like oh, the the liquid

512
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: go sideway like right, like you would describe what happened

513
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: almost flashed with stomach acid whatever a grand thud uh

514
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: fills like an atrium in the stomach. Surely he's testing

515
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: the whale whatever it is. I don't know. So has

516
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: this guy been eating? Like, give me a description of

517
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: what it's like living in there? You can't dealing with surgery.

518
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: But it's been okay. But Ben is abiding by I

519
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: think what we can all agree the most basic rule

520
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: of fiction writing. Don't tell, don't show it, don't right

521
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: for either You're not supposed to never show. If you

522
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: have to show, don't tell instead, but never tell either,

523
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: all right, don't tell. I'm sorry if you haven't one

524
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: qualified to talk about this book. Um, I don't know enough.

525
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: Go ahead, cutty from above. Finally we're inside the stomach.

526
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: From above, the liquid comes, all right. It's dark and viscous,

527
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: sticky and thick. It's moving down the walls of the

528
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: stomach lining it moving gradually. As I watch in horror,

529
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: it covers the entire surface of the stomach, staining a

530
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: dark maroon. A pill about my size ricochet's through the

531
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: whales esophagus. I can hear the hollow plank as it

532
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: bounces down and then falls into the stomach below me.

533
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: The stomach acid goes to work, tearing off the cover

534
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: and from the pill burst hundreds of them. Bursts is

535
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: what it should be. But he said bursts. It's not

536
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: the worst error in this entire book, although his description

537
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: of a pill going down someone's esophagus is and I

538
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: don't think that's what pills do. I I don't know. Then,

539
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. Like it's like it's that feels

540
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: like nonsense, as a pill swallower. That doesn't feel like

541
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: a good description. It's like, first of all, been your

542
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: wife's a doctor. You talked about time. Your esophagus isn't

543
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: like an open tube that you like, don't like it,

544
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: Like it's like constricts, like it's it's like seward drain

545
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: like you like videos you can see like how the

546
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: esophagus works, food down it. It's not a empty again,

547
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: like the most basic writer who cared would have like, oh,

548
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: I wonder if I could find like an X ray

549
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: of a pill going down the throat. Just help me

550
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: describe this a little better as a minimum, yeah, the

551
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: very minimum, you know, also like um, just as like

552
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: a human being. This is like a child's idea of

553
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: what like the throat is like oh, it's like yeah,

554
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: esophagus and you toss it down and like a ricochet

555
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: is back and forth, and it's the kind of thing

556
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: like nobody expects perfect accuracy for many piece of it.

557
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: I was just reading a very good Kim Stanley Robinson

558
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: book called Ministry of the Future, and there's like a

559
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: line in it about the comb Mela, which is a

560
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: big Indian religious thing being in Varanasi, and it's like, well, no,

561
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: actually it's held in like four different cities. I think

562
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: Varnasi is one of them, but like the big one

563
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: is a Lahabad And that was a little like weird

564
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: to me. But I also like didn't mind it and

565
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: forgave it because the actual descriptions of what's going on

566
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: of like the individual of like this heat wave of

567
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: hitting India were so detailed and so biologically accurate that like, yeah,

568
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean, people are gonna get little bits wrong. As

569
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: a fiction writer, I get like everyone does get little

570
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: bits wrong. No one's expecting perfection. The key as a

571
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: fiction writer is to do enough, good enough job, building

572
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: out a sense of what's happening, a sense of momentum,

573
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: a sense of emotional connection that when, as will inevitably happen,

574
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: little things are like not quite right, people forgive it

575
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: because they're still engaged in the narrative, you know, and

576
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: and you lay focus on the error. Yeah um, yeah

577
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: he's yeah, but you know, yeah he's trying. Like it

578
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: boils down to like the key, Like what you're talking about,

579
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: you're correct and like all the very like the details

580
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: of it, But what you're really saying is like the

581
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: key is to like try, Yeah, the key is to

582
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: try effort Yeah, people are willing to forgive a number

583
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: of things, especially in science fiction that don't quite that

584
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: aren't quite accurate. And it's like Star Star Trek, like

585
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: does do warp drives really make sense? Does the hyper

586
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: drive in Star Wars make any sense? No, but we

587
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: don't care because it's number one, things are generally internally

588
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: consistent within those worlds, and number two, you're actually engaged.

589
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: What you're really engaged is well also you're talking about

590
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: you're you're describing to science fiction things where they're creating

591
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: something out enough like we don't have you can objectively

592
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: see what it looks like and it's and need to

593
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: do some research before I feel like they do like

594
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: explain enough, like with warp drive and stuff and most

595
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: of these victories like yeah, we don't have the technology,

596
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: and like it's like theoretical but like it's grounded in

597
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: theoretical science and and and things like that. And it's

598
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: also like you have one of two options in this situation, right,

599
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: Option number one is the the actual science is not

600
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: super important. What's really important is something social, a point

601
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: that you're trying to make, in which case, like the characters,

602
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: what's going on with them? What's going on like within

603
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: the culture of the society that they're in and whatnot,

604
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: Like the points that you're trying to make about like

605
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: income disparity, like whatever like that that is engaging enough

606
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: that you don't really focus on on the science, or

607
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: you're actually trying to do like a Michael Crichton thing

608
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: where you're trying to get really into the nitty gritty

609
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: of the science of this like weird situation, um, and

610
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: you try to hook people in on that, in which

611
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: case it's crucial um to get the little details about

612
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: like how what pill actually falls down an esophagus? Right,

613
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: And Ben boldly does either there are two ways to

614
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: write this well, and Ben just chooses not to do it,

615
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: Like it's like describing like dropping a marble down a

616
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: drain is what he's done here. Um, we're gonna take

617
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a short break, but we're gonna end

618
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: on a cliffhanger, right, So, like the pill very realistically

619
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: dropped into the stomach. Uh, and from the pill burst

620
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: hundreds of them new paragraph I never thought i'd see

621
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: them again, new paragraph formatting error of all the things.

622
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: And we're gonna find out what they are as soon

623
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: as we come back, done together everything all the French. Yeah. Uh,

624
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: when last we left our hero, he was fearing something

625
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: that burst out of pill that was swallowed by the

626
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: whale accurately, and hundreds of them burst from the pill,

627
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: and he never thought he'd see them again. Of all

628
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: the things, new page, the formatting is funked up again,

629
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: funked up still, and then it corrects itself later on

630
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: the page. Uh. Mechanical dust mites, Oh, the whale dust mites?

631
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: Why why why do those exists? Why would he make those?

632
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: Make mechanical So here's the thing. First of all, you

633
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: make mechanical dust mites, then you're going to use those

634
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: to get the regular dust why why why the middleman?

635
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: But also why are they mechanical dust mice? Wouldn't you

636
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: just like nano butts? Right, Like, why are they mechanical

637
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: dust mites? That's nonsense, And yeah, it just occurs to

638
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: me right now in this moment, this is different. Yeah,

639
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: you didn't need the people there anyway. But they talk

640
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: about the house being cleaned, so obviously there's like actual

641
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 1: cleaning happening. That's got to be like a huge detail

642
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: of his life. Like when they're spraying down tables and ships.

643
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: Sorry this avoiding the fucking vacuums and not going outside

644
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: like he's afraid of dust mites. He would not leave

645
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: his fucking house, and his house would be like sterilized,

646
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: like vacuum sealed place right like what like what is this?

647
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: Higher hundreds of people and shrink them down and put

648
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: him in your belly. Whatever is the mechanical mechanic? Dust mites.

649
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: The whale hates dust mites, but he must hate me more.

650
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: Formatting has been the problem is that I don't know

651
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: if the formatting is fixed or if it's wrong again,

652
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: because the paragraphs are like indented twice sometimes sometimes sometimes

653
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: it's three times. I don't know what like the quote

654
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: correct format is. So we're either back to normal or

655
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: we're fucked up. But the point is they're searching for me.

656
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: Now I realized what the viscous liquid was for. It

657
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: was designed to hold me fast, to keep me from

658
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: fighting back, and to cover everything that wasn't the halo

659
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: to shine a spotlight on me, give the mites to

660
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: target I get it man who in his body anyway,

661
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: there's too many sentences to say. The liquid was to

662
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: keep me inside Yeah, the shinest spotlight on me. Give

663
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: the mites a target. One sentence, one comma, poorly written.

664
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: They're crawling up the walls. I'd heard rumors about the

665
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: next generation of Auntie's. Looks like the rumors were right.

666
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: So the rumors were that they were making robots instead

667
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: of shrinking down people. Ah, there's no time to think,

668
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: thank god, because otherwise we'd have to analyze what's going on.

669
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: There's no time to think. My instruments aren't growing. Of course,

670
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: my knife, my laser gun, they're tiny toys in my hands.

671
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: Wait a second, So they shrunk him down, so they

672
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: made him tiny laser guns. Then you know what I

673
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: I will I'll buy that because as the whale, you

674
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: don't want them to have access to like big laser

675
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: guns whatever like. But they big laser guns would be

676
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: shrunken down. No, But I mean you maybe when you

677
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: come back, you don't like if you could target exactly

678
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: what return. Maybe you wouldn't want the weapons to get

679
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: bigger with him because you don't want them to be

680
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: armed in your house because you're a paranoid billionaire. But

681
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: also that would seem to suggest that you could just

682
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: shrink a tumor if you have that kind of fine control. Again, yeah,

683
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: but why just from a writing perspective, why is this

684
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: the first time we're learning about that? Is it because

685
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: it's your first was? From a writing perspective, the most

686
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: important is to leave people with nothing but questions from

687
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: the entire time of Again, I'm not story. I don't

688
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: know anything about writing, so I think, well, the goal

689
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: is to make the reader confused and bothered. Well, then

690
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: he's really knocking it out of the park. Oh yeah,

691
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: it's good. We like it because it's so good. Um,

692
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: But the point is the tools that he had, which

693
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: were either shrunken down or built to be tiny. So

694
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: like the nutrient packs, I guess we're also built to

695
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: be tiny or something. Are they doing like yeah, okay, so,

696
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: or they're shrunk. I don't know. The point is where

697
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 1: they're sunk, but they're just not subject to be they're

698
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: not regrowing. They were shrunk and now they're not going

699
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: to be regrown. Or they were built tiny and they're

700
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: not part of this. But those we don't need to

701
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: know that because as readers we have no questions about

702
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. Yeah, no, it's unimportant. We're we're

703
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: we're we're concerned about the abortion allegory that's going on

704
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: right now after halfway through the fucking short story. Yep. Oh,

705
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: so his interests are tiny. They're tiny toys in my hands.

706
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: All I've got left is my hands, too many hands,

707
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: and I can barely control them. I'm naked now thanks

708
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: to the growth my clothes. They're just unshrinking and naked

709
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: man in this guy's living room. Ah, that's funny. That's

710
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: good stuff. Well right, because like, why would you want

711
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: these little things left in your home when the people regrow.

712
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: That's filthy too. Also, now you've got a big naked

713
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: man in your you want that here? You'll clean freak. Ah.

714
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: The mechanical mites are climbing, but they don't get stuck

715
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: in the viscous stuff. Okay, I'm at the edge of

716
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: my seat. The mechanical mites are climbing. I take a

717
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: deep breath, grab the halo and rip with all my strength. Rip.

718
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: What mhm what does he riv? Okay, the mechanical mites

719
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: are climbing. I take a deep breath, grab the halo

720
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: and rip with all my strength. Is grabbing. He's ripping

721
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: the halo off of the thing. Nothing happens formatting air.

722
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: The liquid is holding the halo together. As the mechanical

723
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: mites climb, I can't get out. One of the mechanical

724
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: mites is faster than the others. It's natural selection and ship.

725
00:46:54,440 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: You know, there's always an alpha robot, the might that

726
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,479
Speaker 1: was programmed to be faster than the other hundreds leading

727
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: the pack. Then it's not programmed them all super fast. Yeah,

728
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: I think you could make it all of them faster

729
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: than it seems like they would all be the same

730
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: speed as robots. But yeah, but it's a delicate pill.

731
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: They crammed a hundred over the men, and men were

732
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: like one super Might dropped in there. That's all we

733
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: have left for. We've got a doze and a half.

734
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: We can make one of these mites fast, but the

735
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: budget ran out for the others. Extended release on the others.

736
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: But this one's right there with you. One fast one.

737
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: Then it's on me, tearing at the halo with its

738
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: metal pincers. I scream, but there's no one to hear me.

739
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: My arms feel heavy, overburdened, as though I'm swimming in molasses.

740
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: The jaws close in. I it seems like he wants

741
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: the halo torn, right, I'm just trying to get in

742
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: the hall his his motivations um for his like his

743
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: basic motivation I guess makes sense, But the motivations for

744
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: the specific actions he's taking here um are pretty notice. Yeah,

745
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: he's just not giving us like and I don't expect

746
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: him be like my plan is to do this and

747
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: this and this and this, but he's not giving us

748
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: enough information to like follow along. There's also you know,

749
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: the thing that he never does in anything that he does,

750
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: because he's not a writer, is like set up and

751
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: pay off. So again, a writer trying to make action

752
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: feel meaningful, you would set up some aspect of how

753
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: this guy responds in stressful situations um in the initial

754
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: action sequence, and then there would be a payoff, either

755
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: him learning a lesson and doing a different thing, or

756
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: like this thing that he gets chided for winds up

757
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: being what saves him, like literally anything to to add

758
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: something to this but then has done nothing instead. Are

759
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: are you suggesting the stories require some sort of like change, yeah,

760
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: like not just physical growth yea, and even just beyond

761
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: that that, like there be a reward for I remember

762
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: this from before. Yeah, it's it's back like look, yeah exactly,

763
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: um but alas my arms feel heavy, overburdened, as though

764
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm swimming in molasses. The jaws close in, and I

765
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: remember Phillips, Okay, I remember his eyes bugging out as

766
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: the mites closed on him, was in on him. I

767
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: remember the blood pouring from the stump of his leg,

768
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: and those eyes rolling back in their sockets. Those eyes.

769
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: Most of all, I remember the greedy, crunching noises from

770
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: the vile mouths of those mites. The real mightsy humans,

771
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: yeah are they? Yeah? The mites real mights at humans,

772
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: and I guess the mechanical ones and like mites are

773
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: able to like crunch even if they are tiny bones bones, Yeah,

774
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: because I would eat actually has anything at all to

775
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: do with people, Like it's like like skin flakes, but

776
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: not organs and bones and not like moving. The thing

777
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: about dust mites they do not eat blood or like

778
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: living like It's like, yeah, they're not dead, it's like

779
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: five and like five not stuff like. They don't do this.

780
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: They're not even really scavengers because they have no way

781
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: of even knowing that the stuff they're eating was ever

782
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: part of a living creature. They certainly don't eat corpses.

783
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: They're like they just kind of they're like those bottom

784
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: feeding fish, Like what's there, and what's their skin flakes?

785
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: Dead skin flakes and like and we're not like existing

786
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: in a world where there are monsters, sister, a rich

787
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: guy with a weird phobia. A whole bunch of wrong information. Yeah,

788
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: to the extent that like mites have minds, they don't

789
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 1: really hunt. They don't have like that capacity. I would

790
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: doubt that the capacity to like fight, right, yeah, like

791
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: person apart, that's not they don't. I don't think they

792
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: engage in collective behavior. Not a mite expert, but I

793
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: don't think so. I can't imagine that they do. And

794
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: you apparently these mites crave bone, Yeah, they grave bone

795
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 1: and blood an attack and like it would be maybe

796
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: he's referring to like another incident with mechanical mites, but

797
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: he didn't say mechanical mites. He said mites. And they've

798
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: been that hunt dust mites. But but they're but the

799
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: stories about dust mites, yeah, I think like he specifically said,

800
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: like the whale is afraid of dust mites. That tell

801
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: you what we really shouldn't need to be questioning and

802
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: wondering this much about it. Um, yeah, it seems like

803
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: the premise is maybe a bad one. Yeah, maybe it's

804
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: a whack premise. Huh huh um. But he's remembering the

805
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: mites tearing his friend apart and drinking on his blood. Uh.

806
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: And that's what the dust mites did. And I wait,

807
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: the pincer's rip tear at the halo. I wait, new

808
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 1: formatting air. The first mechanical might breaks through, the fastest one, probably.

809
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: I hold my breath as the poisonous air comes flowing through.

810
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: Then kick as hard as I can at the might.

811
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: It's just enough. The might loses its footing, plummets down

812
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: to the bottom of the stomach, is sucked out of sight.

813
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: Bad sense. So that was the fastest one, Um, I

814
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: I assume, so it got there the fastest. I have

815
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: to read this again real quick. It's just enough. Dash,

816
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: the might loses its footing. Comma plummets down to the

817
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: bottom of the stomach. Comma is sucked out of sight.

818
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna pause on my face real quick for a listener. Yeah,

819
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 1: if you can see him right now, Okay, and I climb.

820
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: I leaped through the hole in the halo grab the

821
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: stomach lining and I thought you couldn't because of the

822
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: liquid on the walls. All right, and climb toward what

823
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: looks like a closed ring above me. I have to

824
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: get out. I have to get the hell out now.

825
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: It takes me a second to realize that the stomach

826
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: acid is burning away layers of skin. I'd scream, but

827
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: I need the air. Instead. I griped my teeth, breaking

828
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: a molar. As my shoulder muscle is exposed, the mites

829
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: are gaining. The liquid is gluing me to the walls too,

830
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: like a fly stuck in a web. That's how might

831
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: work either. I also, this is funny. Do we get

832
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: any idea of what state this is occurring in Cody

833
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: or city that I don't think? I don't think, so

834
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: that's fine. I did about a second and a half

835
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: of googling um. And it's funny because it's actually a

836
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: matter of scientific curiosity that the American West has almost

837
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: no dust mites. They're they're bafflingly lacking in the West.

838
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: There's like none in the Midwest or the Mountain West,

839
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: and the West Coast has some, but they're like a

840
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: third as many as on the East Coast um. So

841
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: obviously there's plenty of places in the US where there

842
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: would be dust mites. But it's just funny that it's

843
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: actually a matter of scientific curiosity how few there are

844
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: in the area that Ben lives in, and that will

845
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: be broadly writing about exactly we assume because also it's

846
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: like it's like abortion and lives and like all this

847
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: kind of Again, if you're doing like the again Michael

848
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: Crichton kind of thing where you're trying to make it

849
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: seem like hard science fiction, you might actually have a

850
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: character who's like talking about dust mites and explaining the

851
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: threat like a dress that you know, they're weirdly enough,

852
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 1: they don't live in this area that or they've become

853
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: more common as people have like sealed up their houses

854
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: more and because the because that is a thing. They

855
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: were almost known dust mites anywhere in North America until

856
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: we started doing more like climate control stuff that apparently

857
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: like made it an easier place for them to propagate.

858
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: And so like, you know, ironically, if he wasn't such

859
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: like a neat freak, there would be less mites in

860
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: his house. Like it literally anything or too much about

861
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: how do you know about I learned all of this

862
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: thirty seconds before I started reading it. That's how little

863
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: research it took to find a scientific American article that

864
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: made it all very clear. And then again, I'm not

865
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: talking about Ben should have done tens of hours of research.

866
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: If he had dedicated an hour to reading about mites

867
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: before this, he could have made this like it's not hard.

868
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: It is baffling. It is baffling. But he never published it. Oh,

869
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: he published it, but he unpublished it, right right right, Yeah,

870
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: it is no longer available on good reads, um or

871
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: anywhere else. Um. But this beautiful podcast, beautiful podcast to

872
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: find it. How much time we gotta wrap up? One

873
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: other option though, in this dust mite scenario, Let's say

874
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: it's in like the West, and like, oh, there actually

875
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of dust mites. That maybe speaks of

876
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: the whales character, like even though there aren't a lot

877
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: of my he's still obsessed with them and hiring these

878
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: people like he's he's that he's that far gone or whatever. UM.

879
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: A lot of options. They're from a good twenty second

880
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: google um. But the point is he didn't google what

881
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: an esophagus does, so why would you google what dust

882
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: mightes do? Just above me is the ring of the esophagus.

883
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: Spelled it right, So hell yeah, there you go, hand

884
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: over hand, I grab my legs hang free. When he

885
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: grabbed the ring, is grab onto the ring of the esophagus.

886
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: I guess, um, that's my leg It's like, oh right,

887
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: because I forgot that. The newer models that have footholds, Yeah,

888
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta get that lots of rungs. Can't.

889
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: He can't use his tiny tools anymore. He's got to

890
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: use his hands, his fingies and picturing it like die Hard,

891
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: where he's somehow like using and again the strap of

892
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: the laser to like call himself up. You could have

893
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: you could have had him you need to climb or

894
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: fail to climb earlier. If he'd had to do a

895
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: climb to like save his buddy and like and that's

896
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: why his buddy had died again, that would be a

897
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: little bit of thing. It's like you brought up die Hard.

898
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: We have John McClane take his shoes off at the start.

899
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: It's not really a big deal for a while, and

900
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: then the glasses shot out and it's not even like

901
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't really reveal anything about John's character. It's not

902
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: like it's not like a hero's journey thing. It just

903
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: actually makes things a little more interesting because you've set

904
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 1: up and paid off of things. And I've been thinking

905
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: about I mean in general, I think about Aard. We're

906
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: talking about the descriptions of like, oh, it's just hard

907
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: to follow what exactly it is that he's doing in

908
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: the stomach. Well, when I read die Hard, that was

909
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: one thing. These action sequences were very meticulously described, so

910
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: there wasn't almost not a sci fi but there's no

911
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: room for uh, misunderstanding what's happening. There's no room for

912
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: misunderstanding what's happening, and there's not there's not a single

913
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: gunshot in that movie that like doesn't advance the story,

914
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: and it means something like every time people do an

915
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: action it's meaningful, which is what you'll find in every

916
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: good action movie, right like that there's stuff doesn't happen

917
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't need to happen advance the story or increase

918
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: your understanding of a character. Um, because that's a good storytelling.

919
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: And it's the same with fictions, like yeah, you don't

920
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: just have an action scene to have an action scene.

921
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: You have an action scene because it reveals something about

922
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: the character or the world. It advances your understanding in

923
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: some way that leads you to staying engaged with the story.

924
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: The action exists to make the story interesting. The action

925
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: doesn't exist because people want to read about folks shooting

926
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: dust mites with lasers, because no one does. We might

927
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: care about characters who are doing that, but nobody cares

928
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: about fighting dust mites with lasers. Does Maybe he absorbs

929
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: art differently than other people. Mhm. It's like if you

930
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: would if you had said to me, hey, do you

931
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: want to watch a movie about a cop fighting terrorists

932
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: in a in a skyscraper, I would say probably not.

933
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: That sounds boring. But but I like Die Hard because again,

934
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: from the very beginning, you're engaged with these characters. It's

935
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: not about the fact that they're having gunfights. It's about

936
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: the fact that John McCain McClain is an engaging character,

937
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: Hans Gruber is a deeply engaging villain, and I care

938
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: about them, and the action makes me understand them better,

939
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: and I'm engaged in the action because I'm engaged in them,

940
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: And that's how a story is told. We find Yeah,

941
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: that's I think that's a good stopping point. Yeah, guy terminating.

942
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: There's every literally every piece of fiction that has ever

943
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: been influential works the same way, which is that you

944
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: don't do a thing unless it matters to the story

945
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: because that otherwise it's boring. Like like like fucking James

946
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: Cameron is great at this because like as as silly

947
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: as sh it has true lies. Right, Like, there's never

948
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: even in fucking as many critiques as there are of

949
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: like Avatar. Whatever ship doesn't happen if it doesn't reveal

950
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: things about the characters or the world. Action doesn't have.

951
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: Gunfights don't happen because they're pointless. Otherwise, people don't care

952
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: about gunfights. People care about characters, and people care about

953
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: like characters in the gunfights and within those gunfights. Yeah, yeah,

954
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: we just But now we have this guy hanging from

955
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: an esophagus and he's remembering some other thing of his

956
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: friend in a h like a featureless place. I have

957
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: no idea where his friend Philip's got attacked. It's just

958
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: like in like some void. They're like he's like being

959
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: hound hounded by like these dust mites. Which again, like

960
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: if you were trying to do this competently, that would

961
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: have been the start of the story Philip's dying and

962
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: like maybe this guy fails and whatnot. You know, but

963
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: it's it's just amazing. It's like the this is the

964
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: thing where like, you know what, people wonder why as

965
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: a general rule, like the Star Wars prequels were like

966
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: less beloved than the originals. There's a number of reasons.

967
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: One of them is that, like there's a lot of action,

968
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: particularly in the second and third, where it's like, oh,

969
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: there's a billion guys having sword fights, and I don't

970
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: know who most of these people are. And when you

971
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: find people who actually do care about and really like

972
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: those movies, it tends to be because they've read all

973
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: of the books and so they know who those characters are.

974
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: And even though it's not on screen, and you can

975
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: argue that's bad filmmaking, they're engaged because those characters have

976
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: been built up elsewhere and so that's why they care. Um.

977
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: But if you look at like what made the original successful,

978
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: like a lightsaber, it doesn't get fucking pulled unless something

979
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: that deeply matters to a character is happening. They don't

980
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: just pull lightsabers because lightsabers are cool in the first

981
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: three movies, and that's part of why it's iconic, Yeah,

982
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 1: very rarely, and so it's always engaging when a fucking

983
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: lightsaber gets pulled. It's why they're iconic is because at

984
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: least at the start, you didn't see those things unless

985
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: something that you gave a shit about was going down.

986
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: Here and here's what a lightsaber is and telling you

987
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: about your dad. Here's me protecting you in this bar.

988
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: Here's how a lightsaber works and what it does. Here's

989
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: me training you with a lightsaber. Here's like the possibility

990
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: of the world having exposing you too. Here's and again,

991
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: this is fighting the villain with a lightsaber. That's it,

992
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: And it's a great mark of like the value of

993
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: good editing in a story, because George Lucas clearly does

994
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: not understand that as well as his editor in the

995
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: first three movies, which was his ex wife, understood that

996
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: because I think there would probably have been a lot

997
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: more lightsabers. But you don't, you don't like the especially

998
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: in that first movie, if you actually look at when

999
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: like they lightsabers show up the minimum amount of time

1000
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: necessary for the action to happen. It's never gratuitous. And

1001
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: that's why they're so cool, right, Like It's the same

1002
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 1: thing with Jaws. Right, the less you see the shark,

1003
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: the more you're engaged in was awesome character. You got

1004
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: like five minutes of screen time and the entire trilogy. Uh,

1005
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: you die like a punk, But yeah, you're cool looking

1006
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 1: while you do it. And that's it. You're cool looking.

1007
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: And there's that one line No Disintegrations where it's like

1008
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: you're mind gets kind of opened up and oh, I

1009
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: wonder what like this guy's whole story is, and like

1010
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: you get a couple of scenes with him that make

1011
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: it clear that he's good at like tracking people and

1012
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: so folks, Again, it's not about showing or telling too much.

1013
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: You actually don't ever want to do that. It's important to, like,

1014
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: especially in science fiction, there's a lot of value in

1015
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: just kind of dropping things, dropping like references to things

1016
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: that that that the I wonder what that was about.

1017
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: I wonder what that battle was, I wonder what that

1018
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: piece of Like, you don't need to know everything. You

1019
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: need to know enough that your imagination takes over. Right,

1020
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: You gotta like prime the pump. You gotta put a

1021
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: little fuel and to jump start the generator. That that

1022
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: gets you engaged in the world and every every piece

1023
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: of science fiction that has spawned a fucking empire. Was

1024
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: great at that, you know, Dunes, great at that, Star Wars,

1025
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: great at that Star Trek, great at that um Battle Stars,

1026
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: great at that, every every piece of science fiction that

1027
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: anyone has cared about, even if it later turns into

1028
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: like we have to explain every single thing at the beginning,

1029
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: it's all about getting you to wonder. You know, Um,

1030
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: then is a bad writer. I am excited to keep

1031
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: the story. I have to go. Yeah, gets back to Amy.

1032
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: The one thing I know about the main guy, he

1033
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: who also is not a character. Um. Another place you

1034
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: might have opened this is like him and Amy having

1035
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: a fight and then like he leaves in his buddy

1036
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: who dies, picks him up in the car, and they

1037
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: talk about why they're doing it, and then you cut

1038
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: from that to his buddy dying right after his buddy died. Whatever.

1039
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: There's a number of ways that this could have been

1040
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: a story, but it's not other than just the absolute

1041
01:04:46,440 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: laziest way. Yeah, yeah, next this all right, everything so

1042
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: dull and it's not again. I tried. Daniel. Worst Year

1043
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,720
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1044
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