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Speaker 1: talk about Giants football. We will read your tweets and

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Speaker 1: answer your questions as well. John Schmaut, Glance Metal with you.

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Speaker 1: O t a number five in the books today. Yesterday

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Speaker 1: was a really hot one. Today a little bit cooler. Um,

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Speaker 1: I just followed my practice. Support will go through that

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Speaker 1: in a second. But Lance, I know you did some

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Speaker 1: things you wanted to bring up from media availabilities yesterday

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Speaker 1: when the players met the media well after we had

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Speaker 1: our shows. Sterling Shepherd and Evan Engram both addressed the media,

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Speaker 1: so we don't have an opportunity to at least go

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Speaker 1: over what they had to say. And I mean Shepherd

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Speaker 1: and Ingram. I think both emphasize the fact that you know,

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Speaker 1: this offense, little by little is coming together in terms

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Speaker 1: of what Shermer is implementing compared to what they were

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Speaker 1: working with prior. But you know, like any offense, the

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Speaker 1: language is very similar to what they went through in

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Speaker 1: previous regimes. It's just a matter of understanding some new

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Speaker 1: jargon for the most part, and understanding you know where

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Speaker 1: elimating wants to and everybody up. I think the two

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Speaker 1: players in particular have been very impressed with Sa Kwon Barkley,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the talent that he's brought to the table,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that he seems to have commanded the

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Speaker 1: offense in the early goings, which is always a good

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Speaker 1: sign for a young player and a rookie who was

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Speaker 1: just getting his feet wet in the NFL. Yeah, no question. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think everyone has been impressed with Sa Kwon Barkley

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Speaker 1: pretty much in every way, UM, in terms of his

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Speaker 1: ability as a player, UM, his ability, UM, in terms

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Speaker 1: of a teammate, understanding things grasp him the offense. It's

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Speaker 1: to somebody too that they're asking to do a lot.

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Speaker 1: He's not just somebody that's gonna run the football. He's

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Speaker 1: someone that has to pass protecting, someone that has to

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Speaker 1: know how to split out. Why didn't run routes, run

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Speaker 1: I think people are are pretty impressed with how he's

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Speaker 1: as he has. And really I think acted like a veteran.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can talk to rookie sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know what, this guy's a he's young, he's green.

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Speaker 1: You talked to Sa Kwon Barkley. He doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: that guy. No, I agree. I don't think anything is

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Speaker 1: I also thought what also was encouraging from what Evan

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Speaker 1: you know, when you go through your NFL season for

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Speaker 1: Now he feels as if going through that maybe helping

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Speaker 1: him in the long run. Yeah, he said, he basically

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Speaker 1: head was quote unquote on a swivel, I think is

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if all that thinking and figuring things

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Speaker 1: the Memorial Day we were asked. I believe the question

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Speaker 1: two things are gonna happen. Lance Either Ingram and Shepherd

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Speaker 1: on that subject John and he was like, you know, guys,

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Speaker 1: But let's just look at the Giants, John, you go

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Speaker 1: it was great to see plex make plays. It was

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Speaker 1: great to see a cheam Knicks make some plays, but

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Speaker 1: little rundown from practice to that. Sure, absolutely So it

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Speaker 1: And it was the last play of practice. UM all

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Speaker 1: like twelve and four. What do you mean the defensive

430
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Speaker 1: line plays like it's supposed to. The Giants have one

431
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Speaker 1: hold on. The Giants have one player in their front

432
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: seven that's got in ten sacks and he's done a

433
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: once in his career, and they also what does that mean?

434
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 1: They also lost their leading sacker, correct, which is why

435
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm asking the question. So so I'm not sure what

436
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 1: that means. I mean, like the runch like we get

437
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 1: sacks on the quarterback with were he were like you

438
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 1: know the guys and blitz is where you know, like

439
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 1: we're on the line and the D line is helping

440
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: the D line get you know, get their sacks as

441
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: they're opposed to. And then the offensive line protects Eli

442
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 1: man and gets him time where he get him like

443
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 1: doesn't have to force throws or worry about oh yet

444
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna get sacked where he has time. And then

445
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,159
Speaker 1: also state come what helps like Kua and get some yards?

446
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: You know, like at least, you know, I'm not expecting

447
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: to be the number one rusher in the league, but

448
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,360
Speaker 1: like at least get expected to be a thousand yard

449
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: back or right for us, it's a or And you

450
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 1: just painted and and and thanks a lot for the call.

451
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 1: I you know, I appreciate it. I don't think Lands

452
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: and I are breaking any stories here when we say

453
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: if the Giants defensive line is great and the Giants

454
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: offensive line is great, the Giants are probably gonna be

455
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: really good this year. Yeah. I mean, I don't think

456
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: we're breaking any news here, folks. It's like, you know,

457
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: if the Yankees offense scores five uns the games and

458
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: the pictures of the best in the league, do you

459
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: think the Yankees is gonna have a good record? Yeah,

460
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: I think they probably are going out on a limit. Yeah,

461
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: well what I I understand where Orang is coming from,

462
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 1: but I would not focus on Well, if the defensive

463
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: line gets fifteen sacks, then that all of a sudden

464
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: is going to translate to you know, wins. What I

465
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: think this Giant's defense needs to be. This defense John

466
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: needs to be consistent. How about that? How about we

467
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: at least start with that conversation, meaning it's not Dr Jeko, Mr. Hyde.

468
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: And how about this, they're consistent in stopping the run.

469
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 1: Everybody is fascinated with this. Well, they lose JPP, so

470
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,239
Speaker 1: who's going to now provide the additional sacks? I get it,

471
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: But all you need to do is go back to

472
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: last season. It wasn't so much not getting enough pressure

473
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: on the quarterback. It was the fact that this defense

474
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: could not stop the run. They could not get off

475
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: the field on third down. So how about we start

476
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: there with the defense and then we add the layer on. Okay,

477
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 1: if they can consistently get to the quarterback, then that

478
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: would be bonus. This defense doesn't stop the run. It

479
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much you project out of Olivier Vernon

480
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 1: or how much you project out of Kareem Martin, It's

481
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Speaker 1: not going to make a difference. And Lance the secondary

482
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: can't give up big plays. This defense was a big

483
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: play waiting to happen last year. And I talk about

484
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: this a ton because I think it's really important as

485
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: important as to win the trenches, and it is in

486
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 1: the league. You have to if you want to succeed.

487
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: If you want to win consistently in this league, folks,

488
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 1: you have to make big plays on offense and prevent

489
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: big plays on defense. If you make teams do eight

490
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: to twelve play drives every time in order to score, Yeah,

491
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: well they do it sometimes. Sure, well, the great offense

492
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: is doing more than others. Yes, But the most backbreaking

493
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: thing for a team is to dominate a game. But

494
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: the other team makes one or two giganto plays because

495
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: of a miss tackle or Mr Signmon, and all of

496
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: a sudden even though you dominated the first half, it's

497
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: a three point game where it's tied or you're losing,

498
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: So you're right, Stopping them run super important and that's

499
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: obviously something it has to get better. And it's still

500
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: a little confusing last year. Why it wasn't good last

501
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: year or guys like Snacks Harrison and Dalvin Tomlinson. And

502
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: you know two guys that have stopped to run traditionally

503
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: well in JPP and Vernon. So I think to me,

504
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a mystery. But that's important.

505
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: And yet pass rush is important, but you've got to

506
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: stop giving up big plays over the top that will

507
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: kill you again and again and again. Just think as

508
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: a Giant fan, folks, when Odell Beckham Jr. Makes a

509
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: big play, how much that elevates everybody the team, the

510
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: fans nine. It makes such a difference, and that Giants

511
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: have to be better on both sides in that way.

512
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Speaker 1: This year, Well id to change his field position, John,

513
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: I mean you get a big play just like that.

514
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean, now you're putting pressure either on your own

515
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: defense or your offense is putting pressure on the opposing

516
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: defense and it completely changes field position. It helps your

517
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: special teams because now all of a sudden, they're not

518
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: put in a precarious spot. It completely impacts the dynamics

519
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: of the rest of the team. That's why stopping the

520
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: run should be the main framework of people when they

521
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: analyze this Giants defense. And not so much but the

522
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Speaker 1: Giant's gonna go from thirty five sacks to forty five

523
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Speaker 1: this year or wherever it may be, because I mean,

524
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Speaker 1: that's great, but there have been teams, even if you

525
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Speaker 1: look from last season, that we're up there in sacks,

526
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Speaker 1: but they weren't necessarily transferring that always the w's. To me,

527
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: stopping the run is much more synonymous with w's as

528
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: opposed to the opposites that Marco in Connecticut Online four

529
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Speaker 1: is up next, toy Marco, Hey, what's up, guys, what's

530
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: up doing? Um? I'm doing great. I I just I

531
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: wanted to call this is a topic um offseason. I

532
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: think it's something called the big Eli. Um. Yeah, I'm

533
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: you know, obviously big Eli fan. And I'm happy that

534
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: she's gonna be starting quarterback again then coming back, and

535
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm happy with the Barkley pick. So, but I was

536
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: thinking about this around draft. The Eli and I and

537
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: I hope present the Giant style around the draft and

538
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: who and who the video of projecting them the pick

539
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: at the quarterback. You had a lot of national attention

540
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 1: to saying that the Giants should take a quarterback. But

541
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: I was always staking at because I'm a fan who

542
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: did not play football. But when I look at Eli,

543
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, but the last like four or

544
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: five years, I believe is not a true telling. It's

545
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: hard to assess Eli because of some of those things

546
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: that have gone on around him, like injuries and the

547
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: offensive line and and the way the running back position

548
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: has kind of been the last few years. But I

549
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: also don't think that's fair either. I mean, I think

550
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: you you do have to look at the position um

551
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: on its own. So my question is, though, how around

552
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: especially around the draft time, it was like such a divide.

553
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: It seems like so now there's a divide in in

554
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: the in the media, and like it's like your two

555
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: people could see one players totally different, and like people

556
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: look at Eli and they're like aging quarterback has regrets.

557
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: Giants should have definitely taken the future quarterback with that take.

558
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: It's a mistake, but hey, we're gonna move on and

559
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: Sacon Barkley is a great tip. Can't scoop that. But

560
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: then there's another segment that's like, um, all right, I

561
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: guess the Gatino, you know, but there's other people that

562
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: are like, no, it's it's what's going on around him.

563
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: He's he's aging, but he's taking care of his body.

564
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: He's he's still played every game and that's going to continue.

565
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: And and I so, so just to come full circle,

566
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: when I look at you, I I think he's never

567
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: been a guy that's like super super accurate anyways, Like

568
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: when he's on, he's on, but there's times where he's

569
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: just he throws up on You're just like, man, that's

570
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: sometimes you see that with Eliar. You know, there's there's

571
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: like he's never been like super you know, he doesn't

572
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: have great seed around the pocket. And he asked me

573
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: in fact, and he's shown some bad but that's always

574
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: been there. So my question is, you know, what is

575
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: he like, Like what do you guys see today that's

576
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: like like real analysis on his plate, Like has this

577
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: play regrets? And if so, what what are you seeing

578
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: that has regrets? And I don't. I don't think it's

579
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: harsh criticism on and I think it's fair. I'll at

580
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: lants go first on this one. Well, I mean, I

581
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: still see an accurate passer. I will tell you that.

582
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's an issue in terms

583
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: of Eli Manning not being able to get the football

584
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: down the field from what I've seen it practiced thus far.

585
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: Now then again, you know there's no pads on. But

586
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're asking him to run an offense,

587
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: get everybody set, his thinking, his intellect when it comes

588
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: to the game, I'm not seeing any regression in terms

589
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: of that. But it's very hard to analyze Eli Manning's

590
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: decision making during the course of O t a s now.

591
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: Could that be impacted. Yeah, it's possible Marco that that

592
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: could be impacted with wear and tear and getting up

593
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: there in age. But until I see the pass rus

594
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: come his way again, or you know, how he adjusts

595
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: to having additional healthy talent on the field, it's hard

596
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: for me to truly assess his decision making. But if

597
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: you ask me Eli Manning under center, getting everybody set,

598
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: leading the huddle, being able to throw down the field,

599
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing necessarily a drastic difference from whether he's

600
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: fully healthy or whether the talent around him is you know, Marco, Marco,

601
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 1: Marco real quick and then we'll let you finish. You know,

602
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: you put those two camps, and I think this happens

603
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: with we were talking about Twitter earlier. This is what

604
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: happens on Twitter. And you know, you take those two

605
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: camps and they have to be separate and they have

606
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: to be different. Yet what you said in your two

607
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: statements to me can both be true at the same time.

608
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: He could be an agent quarterback that's not as good

609
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: as he was in two thousand and eleven, that also

610
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: takes care of his takes care of his body, was

611
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: adversely affected by the things around the last four or

612
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: five years. But if the right pieces are around him,

613
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: can still be good enough to bring the Giants where

614
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: they want to go if he has the right pieces

615
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: around him. To me, those two things can be true

616
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: all at the same time. I wouldn't expect him to

617
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: go out there and put up another two thousand eleven season,

618
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: which to me is one of the best quarterback seasons

619
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I think that might be asking a lot,

620
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: because yeah, I think maybe sometimes processing decision making, maybe

621
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: when you're a little bit older, that stuff slows down

622
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. Like lands. I haven't seen any erosion

623
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: of the physical skills. He throws the same ball I

624
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: think he threw five, six, seven years ago. I haven't

625
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: noticed anything different with that. Um. But look, you're right.

626
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: Eli always has been a little hot and cold from

627
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: Atworth accuracy game to game, and he's always been a

628
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: risk taker. He's always been a guy that's willing to

629
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: throw the ball in the traffic and that turns into interceptions.

630
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: He's always been a guy that's like to thirty touchdowns

631
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: and what thirteen to eighteen interceptions, give or take. He's

632
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: always kind of in that land, and he's had some

633
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: seasons that go either way on either side of that

634
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: Ledger shore, but that's where I usually land. So to me,

635
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: he's a good quarterback. He right now on the level

636
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: of Aaron Rodgers or Brady or Breeze. No, he's not

637
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: there right now, um no, But but but he was

638
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: never but he was never on that Aaron Rodgers right. Well,

639
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: I would, I would say honestly in two thousand eleven

640
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: he had as good of a quarterback season as I've seen.

641
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: But as he consistently been on that level. No, he is,

642
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: because that hasn't been the norm. Two thousand elevens not

643
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: the norm, thousand elevens the peak correct, and then hey,

644
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: can you get that again? Great? If not, Like I said,

645
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: we know who Eli is. I agree with you, Marco,

646
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: so you know you do take the good in the bed.

647
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: But if you were to ask me right now, Eli

648
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: Manning versus the other options that they have on the roster,

649
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: regardless of whether you think David Webber KYLEI let have upside,

650
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: I would still choose Eli Manning even if you think

651
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: some of his skills have regressed a bit. Correct. All right,

652
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: let's think, guys. I'll jump off. I just I think

653
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: that maybe the criticism just bothers me a little bit more.

654
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: But then also the pure like Eli cheerleader also bothers

655
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: me because it's like, no, I don't think, I don't

656
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: think either true, I think, and I think the criticism

657
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: bothers me because it's like, hey, guys, guess what he

658
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: was never Aaron Rodgers, and and Tom Brady is a freak,

659
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: and and Eli is a good quarterback. But it's like

660
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: you're I guess I really want to dig in on

661
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: the criticism, and when I hear a lot of the points,

662
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that doesn't really any sense to me,

663
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: Like you're not giving me anything substitution. And then and

664
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: the thing about two thousand eleven, well worries me about that,

665
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: And I agree with you guys, that was like his

666
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: best is what's seven years ago? And now you're talking

667
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: about a thirty thirty year old player compared to a

668
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: thirty seven But but there's like a big question mark

669
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: in the last seven years because of what's going on

670
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: around him. So that's say, thanks guys, always good to

671
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: talk to you. Thank you, malcome Marco and appreciate the

672
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: phone call. And I understand where Marco's frustration is because

673
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: he's somebody that tends to I think fall in the middle, John,

674
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: And that's what you would talking about. But when you

675
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: look at some of the conversations on Twitter, you have

676
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: the die hearts that are just ultra passionate Eli Manning defenders.

677
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: You cannot say anything wrong about him, You cannot at

678
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: least provide some rationale that you know, maybe he made

679
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: a bad decision. Then you have the opposite extreme. He's

680
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: up there in age. You gotta prepare for the future.

681
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: He's to blame as to why the offense has struggled

682
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: at times, and it has nothing to do with the

683
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: offensive line or the guys around him. And I think

684
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: Lanta's a continuation of the factions we've seen. I mean,

685
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: when the Giants played poorly in their offense struggles, we

686
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: get two sets of callers. We get the callers I

687
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: want to throw it all in Eli's feet, and then

688
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: we get the callers I want to throw it at

689
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: everyone's feet, but Eli and we have those two sets

690
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: of callers. So I think those two factions kind of

691
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: took the decision in the draft and they fortified their

692
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: positions on either side. And I think those are the

693
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: two same groups that have that debate. But let me

694
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: say this, Eli, this year and maybe even next year,

695
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: it is probably gonna be better than any other rookie

696
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: quarterbacks not got drafted this year. Okay, takes quarterbacks a

697
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: little while to kind of get going, all right, But

698
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: if you're drafting a quarterback, you weren't drafting a quarterback

699
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: for this year. You're drafting and quarterback for the next

700
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: fifteen years. And I think that it's the difference you

701
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: can still believe Eli Manning as a couple of goods

702
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: year a couple of good years left and could lead

703
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: the Giants to the playoffs with the right talent around him,

704
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: and still think it was the right thing to pick

705
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And second, overall, you can have both those

706
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: opinions at the same time and there's just no nuance anymore.

707
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: It's either everything sucks or everything's great, and there's no

708
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: nuance and it tries me freaking banners. Well, there's got

709
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: to be a definitiveness to the explanation as to why

710
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: an offense struggles. When you know, we spend so much

711
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: time on this show talking about all the different facets

712
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: of a team. To then simply simplify things down to

713
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: one player is really ridiculous, especially with football much more

714
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: so than any other sports. John, there are so many

715
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: Baseball you're you're the only batter. You're sitting there and

716
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: you're hitting it's one on one. But well, I'll give

717
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: you that. Yeah, there's a responsibility. Well, I guess what

718
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna go to was, even in basketball, the

719
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: offensive players are playing defense, so you could put blame

720
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: on Listen, if a guy is a great offensive player,

721
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: case in point James Harden and he's not then carrying

722
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: his weight on defense. It's fairer to then say, hey,

723
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: James is great, but you know what, can we get

724
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: a little defense? With football? Eli Manning can only impact

725
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: one facet of the game. Yes, you can argue he's

726
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: going to impact the defense because the offense in the

727
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: field position he impacts one fast, he impacts one fastt Okay,

728
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: we're getting taking it very technical here. So with football

729
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: you've got to take it to consideration. John guys in

730
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: around him on offense, and then you have to look

731
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,959
Speaker 1: at how the defense is performing with the special teams

732
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: is bringing to the table. It's it's much more analytical

733
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: than I think any other of the major professional sports.

734
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: And in the n b A, if you're out there

735
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: were four other guys, they're playing terrible guests, Like you

736
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: can still go one on one and beat the guy

737
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: in front of you. If you're Eli Manning and just

738
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: one of your five offensive lineman with on that play,

739
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: you're finished. You don't have a chance. It's the ultimate

740
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: team sport. And Marco is right, what's happened to the the

741
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: last five or six years? And I don't want to

742
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: go back seven is then that brings us back to

743
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, So I don't want to throw

744
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: that into the mixing two thousand twelve. They actually played

745
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: pretty well too, So let's say the last five five years. Okay,

746
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of factors that negatively impacted

747
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: ellis play. But at the same time, and Marco made

748
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: this point, I think he's right. It's also not fair

749
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: to say, well, none of that is Eli Manning's fault

750
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: at all. That's not fair either. He's on the field,

751
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: he's playing the most important position on the field. To

752
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: take him completely out of the equation is not fair either.

753
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: But like you said, it's a team sport a effects

754
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: b It's a domino, it's a lattice effect. It's like

755
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: when you, you you know, you kind of hit the windshield

756
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: and you get a little nick and then the spider

757
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: web starts to grow. And there's a domino effect in football.

758
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: And that's what makes it tough because it's very hard

759
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: to isolate exactly where an issue is because one thing

760
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: can affect the other so much. But I mean, in fairness,

761
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: and we've even had these discussions where we recap games.

762
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: Has Eli Manning overthrowing wide receivers. Has he missed guys

763
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: over the course of the years. Absolutely. Have there been

764
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: times where I mean you were talking about Eli Manning

765
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: and risk. I mean, I can't remember a specific game,

766
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: but I could specifically remember an image where you know,

767
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: he's falling to the floor and he'll still get rid

768
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: of the football and listen, I don't care whether it's

769
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: Eli Manning or Aaron Rodgers doing that. That's a bad decision.

770
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: And Eli admits that after the game. But he's a competitor.

771
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: He's triumph. How about the left foot throws? So I

772
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: mean there are times where you watch games you're like Eli,

773
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. But there's also times where you're gonna

774
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: see a rookie quarterback that you're gonna put on the center,

775
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: and he may have more upside than Eli Manning at

776
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: this point did his career John And I don't care

777
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: if you took him with the number two overall picking

778
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: the top five, and you put him on the center,

779
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: and he's also going to throw into double coverage and

780
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have the same reaction that you would

781
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: have even if it was a polished veteran like Eli Manning.

782
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: So all quarterbacks have brain farts, for the lack of

783
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: a better term, even the great ones too. Yeah, the

784
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: way they make mistakes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that

785
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: there's a regression in terms of their talent overall. I

786
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: think if you're the Giants, there were two things you'd

787
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: have to wait. Not to reevaluate the draft again, but

788
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: you'd have to reevaluate whether or not you think Eli

789
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: Manning to your point, John has four or five seasons,

790
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: not or even if he has three seasons, okay or two.

791
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: Let's look at the minimum versus the quarterback that you're

792
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: gonna draft. You want to be the guy for the

793
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: next fifteen years. But if the quarterback is your mind

794
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: is not there at number two that will meet the

795
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: criteria of being your answer for the next fifteen years,

796
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: then I would argue, even if you don't think Eli

797
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: can give you four or five years, you still don't

798
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: reach for the guy just because there may be a

799
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: need in two to three years to take a quarterback.

800
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: If you don't believe in one of the guys, you

801
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: don't take one for the sake. And that's still what

802
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: the decision should come down to. And again, even if

803
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: you went back and did it today, and we don't

804
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: know if the Giants believe we can get these quarterbacks,

805
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: is worthy of that pick or not. I'm not sure,

806
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: of course, but I still think whether or not you

807
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: go into a draft with some doubt about your starting

808
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: quarterback and the window closing, there's still needs to be

809
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: firm belief that you you truly believe you could get

810
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: ten to fifty years out of this kid when you

811
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: draft him that high. Well, the Charges could have drafted

812
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson if they wanted to. Yeah, they could have

813
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: if they wanted to take a chance, because Rivers and

814
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: and even Ben Roethlisberger's getting up there. I know the

815
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: Steelers weren't picking as high because of how they did

816
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: the previous season, but you know they waited till the

817
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: third round to take their quarterback. Everyone thought the Saints

818
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: are trading up to draft Lamar Jackson to get Drew Brees'

819
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: successor how did that workout? Pick the defense many So, look, guys,

820
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: it is what it is, all right. Um. Speaking of

821
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: el Man, I gotta do a couple of voiceovers with him,

822
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: So I'll try to squeeze a couple more calls and

823
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: you could carry the last fifteen minutes of Mr Meadow.

824
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: That makes Lands happy. He gets rid of me for

825
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Best news the day for him. Let's go

826
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: to Step in Atlanta. He does surprise. Hi, Steve, Hey,

827
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: how are you doing guys? What's up buddy? Quick question? Um,

828
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: are you seeing any differences in the practices with the

829
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: new rule about not leading with your head? I know

830
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: they're not doing you know, hitting, or they're not doing tackling,

831
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: but I'm wondering if they're starting to teach them how

832
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: to maybe change the way they tackle or a block

833
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: any differences, Steve, they already were. This is a change

834
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: that has been going in for a long time. It's

835
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: just I think people are making too much of this

836
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: rule change. And I end have a chance to listen

837
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: to your interview with the former official last week. I'd

838
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: love to get what his take is on this. To me, Steve,

839
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: this is just further enforcement and installing replay as an

840
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: ability to levy a further punishment for players that launch

841
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: IT receivers and have egregious head hits. If you're tackling

842
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: or running back in the hole and your helmets happen

843
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: to hit, they're not going to throw a flag. It's

844
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. And they've already been trying. And you

845
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: can want you can if you want to go search

846
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: for a video, uh Google search or YouTube search Pete

847
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: Carroll Rugby tackle and you see how they teach them

848
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: how to tackle by keeping their head out of the play.

849
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: Other teams are doing it too. This is simply a

850
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: continuation of something that's already happening. So no, I have

851
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: not seen anything, friend, mostly because they're not really coaching tackling.

852
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: Why you're not allowed to there's no contact. So uh

853
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: right now, Steve, I have not seen any change. But

854
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: maybe once they get into pads, I'll notice something different.

855
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: But for now, I'm not really seeing much, to be

856
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: honest with you, Yeah, I guess they are. The only

857
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: difference I guess is they they extended it more to

858
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: anybody on the field, right, the offensive. No, you're andreasent right, Steve,

859
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: And I think you bring up a valid point. I

860
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: was going to add that to what John had to

861
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: say that yes, maybe a slight adjustment for offensive players,

862
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: But I mean, how many wide receivers were catching the

863
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: football even if you watch the game over the last

864
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: five years and then immediately going down and held it down.

865
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: It it's more running back maybe, but to me, it's

866
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: really more of the running back that you could see

867
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: maybe going down leading with the crown of their helmet.

868
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: But once again, they're not right now embracing for contact, Steve,

869
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't really think they're all in

870
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: the mindset of, Okay, this guy is gonna now bring

871
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: me down, so I should now get ready in the

872
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: position to bring down my helmet. I think most guys

873
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: are just going out there making sure they catch the

874
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: football and you know, finishing the play as coaches like

875
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: to teach them, as opposed to getting into a protective position.

876
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: So once the pads go on in training camp, I

877
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: think they'll be a little bit more aware of that.

878
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: And I'm talking more from an offensive standpoint, because I

879
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: think you did bring up a valid point. It may

880
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: be a slight adjustment for running backs this year, much

881
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: more so than the defensive players because you know, as

882
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: John mentioned, they had been emphasizing the safety precautions over

883
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: the last few years, even for defensive players, So I

884
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: don't think this is necessarily a route awakening for them. Yeah,

885
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how how this whole thing

886
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: plays out, if you know how it affects the game,

887
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: if at all. Thank you, Steve. All right, thank you guys.

888
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: To step out momentarily, and hopefully I'll be back before

889
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: the end of the show. Not a prom right, I

890
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: will move more over to the center, but we will

891
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: then unfortunately have to move back over to you if

892
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: you make it back for the end of the show.

893
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: As two zero one, nine four five one three is

894
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: the telephone number. We'll try to look at your tweets

895
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: as well at hashtag giants Chat. As we move along

896
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: here on Big Blue kick Off Live on giants dot Com.

897
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: Let's continue with the phones. Let's hear from Jason in Denmark. Jason,

898
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, Lance, what's going on today? Man? Jason?

899
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: Thanks with you. Things are going great And I'm kind

900
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: of glad that you're the one on today because I

901
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: was thinking about that conversation you're having yesterday about the kickoff.

902
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: So what you got on? So my suggestion and first

903
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: let me ask a question, and I don't know if

904
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: you have the answer to this, what's the statistics of

905
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, they say the players are getting hurt during kickoff?

906
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: That kickoff that we do, or when like a team

907
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: is uh at the end of the game and they

908
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: do that little I guess it's called like a pooch

909
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: kick where it doesn't sail high, it kind of just

910
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: bounces on the ground because they want to try to

911
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: force turnover. It's another option in addition to the onside kick.

912
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: So so that kind of kickoffs. Do players playoffs getting

913
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: like hurt as much as the regular style kick off?

914
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's a good question. I don't have that

915
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: data in front of me. It's a good question. I believe,

916
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: if memory serves me correct, it was something about how

917
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: on seventeen percent or seventeen percent of injuries or occurring

918
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: I believe on kickoffs from what I recall reading. Just

919
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: just to give you some perspective in terms of injuries

920
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: across the board, because obviously there are players that are

921
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: getting hurt during the regular flow of the game, during

922
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: regular hits that are happening down the field. So I

923
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: think the emphasis is about seventeen percent you're looking or

924
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: happening on kickoffs. I don't know within that seventeen percent,

925
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: whether you know, to answer your question, Jason, it's you know,

926
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: four percent on on side kicks, five percent on pooch kicks,

927
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: and and then you know, ten percent on normal kicks.

928
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what the breakdown is within that, but

929
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: I think when they look at injuries, they're taking into

930
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: consideration all kickoffs. They're not looking at just necessarily the

931
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: regular kickoff. They're saying there's injury rates on on side

932
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: kicks because listen, there's plenty of contact to you gotta

933
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: lot of guys in a close barometer of space going

934
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: for the football. And it's the same thing with a

935
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: pooch kick because if the balls bouncing around, you're now

936
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: giving the kicking team more of an opportunity to get back,

937
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: put a hit on an opposing player, or ultimately recover

938
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: the football. So I think those are just as risky

939
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: as the regular kick off. Yeah, because I always think

940
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Speaker 1: when you know, just looking at it on YouTube and stuff,

941
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, if if it's just getting rid

942
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: of it, if we do these pooch kicks, maybe that'll

943
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: be an alternative. But if you think that in close

944
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: quarters people can get hit and get hurt, I guess

945
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: I can conclude that. But but you're thinking that, and

946
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. But remember there's also

947
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: a lot of risk if you relying on a pooch

948
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: kick constantly, you know, and then it comes back to

949
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: bite you. Now you're giving up field position, so you know,

950
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean there's a benefit of yeah, the balls bouncing around,

951
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: maybe you're more likely to get it back. But if

952
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: you are constantly of the philosophy, or you're forcing let's

953
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: say every team to constantly go for a pooch kick,

954
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: you know, then you're you're not all of a sudden saying, hey,

955
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: what's from stopping the opposing team from taking over at

956
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: their own forty or midfield? So why would you, as

957
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: the kicking team want to have that risk every single time?

958
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: If anything, I'd rather just kick it out of the

959
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: end zone and give the team the ball where they're

960
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: normally going to get it out of the end zone

961
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: to begin with. So you know, I mean I was

962
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: thinking about the excitement factor. You know that the excitement

963
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: factors gone, Maybe we can add some excitements by doing

964
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: that if the risk was a little lower. Well, I

965
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: guess that's why I was thinking along those lines, and

966
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure that that's something that the league has to

967
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: take the consideration. In terms of safety. But I mean

968
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: the way that I've always looked at the kickoff, it's

969
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: not so much excitement, it's it's number one, the fact

970
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: that players make their money off of that play, meaning

971
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: not just returning the ball. But some guys are great

972
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: coverage guys. That's why they make the rosters. So I

973
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: don't want to take those opportunities away from players. And

974
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: then the second thing I would argue is, you know,

975
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: just the whole field position aspect you get, you have

976
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: an opportunity to improve your field position, you have an

977
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: opportunity to get the football back. So you know, I'm

978
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: not looking at it just from the excitement standpoint. I'm

979
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: just looking at it as another tool in the shed

980
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: to change the aspect and strategically change the aspect of

981
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: the game. So that's another reason why I wouldn't want

982
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: to remove the play. But one more quick question, uh

983
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: uh does this offense is going to sound crazy? Do

984
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: I put this? Uh? This? Uh? Pat Summer's offense? Does

985
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: it lend to having players with a good football i

986
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: Q or a good football intuition? And I say that because,

987
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: like you know, I remember Yeah saying we were saying

988
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: our offense we don't want to complicate it too much.

989
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: We just want to go out there and do these

990
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: short passes, and so we want to make it easy.

991
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: So what type of offense are we you think we're

992
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: looking at with this new coach And I'll take your

993
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: hands off the air, alright, Jason, appreciate the phone call.

994
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if there's a huge disparity

995
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: between the terminology of i Q versus intuition. I think

996
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: they're at least within the same ballpark. I will say that.

997
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it goes without saying any offense

998
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: you need guys that understand the ins and outs of

999
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: the scheme. You know, this seems to be an offense

1000
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: where I think Eli Manning is gonna have some flexibility,

1001
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, just based on what I'm hearing and what

1002
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm seeing, Meaning he's gonna have the opportunity to make

1003
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: some changes and get guys lined up and make adjustments

1004
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: based on what the defense is showcasing. But I mean,

1005
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: if you go back to the Vikings offense, let's just

1006
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: look at some of the personnel. You look at guys

1007
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: like Adam Feeland. You know, Adam Feeland is a guy

1008
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: that worked his butt off to get into the position

1009
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: that he is right now. He was, you know, an

1010
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: undrafted player that went to a small school and still

1011
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: was able to thrive within Pat Shermer system. Stefon Diggs

1012
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: was also a low round draft picks. So you've got

1013
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: two wide receivers that are coming off a really good

1014
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: seasons under Pat Schremer's offense, and none of them had

1015
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: high accolades coming out of college necessarily or were considered

1016
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: a top five receiver within their respectives their respective positions.

1017
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: So you know, that to me shows that if you

1018
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: have guys that understand the game and may not have

1019
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: an overwhelming amount of talent, you still have a good

1020
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: chance to do well. Then you look at the running game,

1021
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean the Vikings. They lost Dalvin Cook, who was

1022
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: a second round pick for them and was off to

1023
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: a very good start. He only played two games, and

1024
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: then they wind up with a Jerick McKinnon sort of

1025
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: a third down back, as well as Latavia's Murray who

1026
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: was more of a power back but also not a

1027
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: guy that was high coming out of the draft. So

1028
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: the common theme that I'm getting to to answer your question, Jason,

1029
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: and I know it may be more of a convoluted answer.

1030
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer was working with not overwhelming talent, meaning guys

1031
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: that were crowned, guys that were put up on a pedestal.

1032
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: Yet they all knew their assignments, they did well, and

1033
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: they thrived as a team. So if he could do

1034
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: that with that group, and then you look at the

1035
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: Giants talent pool and you say, okay, Oldell Beckham, highly

1036
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: ranked player, say Kwan Barkley, highly ranked player, Evan Ingram,

1037
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: highly ranked player, even Sterling Shepard. You know, we're not

1038
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: talking about a guy that was drafted in the third

1039
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: round or lower. And now he's got that to work with.

1040
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: I think as long as the i Q is there,

1041
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: which I think is evident, especially from just listening to

1042
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: Barkley talk about the game and how he embraces himself

1043
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: to take part in practice and how he is so

1044
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: keen on asking eli manning questions, I don't think that's

1045
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: an overwhelming concern in terms of the personnel that the

1046
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: Giants have. I think it's gonna be a fairly smooth

1047
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: transition because if he could do that with that group

1048
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: with Minnesota, and I personally think he's got more talent,

1049
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: more talent than I think has been proven or as

1050
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: higher accolades coming out of college. Then I don't see

1051
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: why there's a huge difference in terms of, you know,

1052
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: what he was working with with the Vikings where he's

1053
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: working with the Giants. I think the i Q is

1054
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: pretty much at the same level. And as long as

1055
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: he has that, there's no reason to think that they

1056
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: can't improve the offense from where it was last see,

1057
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: and especially with all those injuries. Let's head back to

1058
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: the lines. Let's check it with Justin in New York, justin,

1059
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey? Until I'm doing all right? Justin? What

1060
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: do you got for us? All right? So I had

1061
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: two questions, well and one I wanted to point out

1062
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: something real quick before I got to those um people

1063
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Speaker 1: like you. Actually, the saying back to two thousand eleven

1064
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: was the last time knew I had a decent years.

1065
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: But if you look at fourteen and fifteen, he actually

1066
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: had really solid years. He really only had as before

1067
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: Sheppard before England. Yeah, and you talked about thirty touchdowns

1068
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: fourteen interceptions at fourteen, thirty five touchdowns fourteen interceptions in fifteen.

1069
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 1: Now you know, stats don't tell at all. But that's

1070
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: a pretty good ratio the last time I checked. So, yeah,

1071
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean Eli has had statistically good seasons.

1072
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: Plus you know, I'm looking at the numbers. He drew

1073
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: for over forty four hundred yards in each of those

1074
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: two seasons too, So the volume was there across the board,

1075
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: passing yards, passing touchdowns, and the interceptions not We're not

1076
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: extremely high. So it's you're right. I mean, he certainly

1077
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: has had good seasons, even when sometimes he hasn't had

1078
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: an overwhelming amount of talent around him and the offensive

1079
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: line has not necessarily played up to Park. That's not

1080
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: me saying that. Obviously, you know Eli has mistakes. That's

1081
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: just what it is. That he has had decent years

1082
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: and relatives recent times. So and then we had another

1083
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: thing about because I'm from northern New York near Syracuse,

1084
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: so I was curious about it was Achievely that's on

1085
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: the team. His name is like A Yeah, the wide

1086
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: receiver that you're talking about that John was talking about

1087
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: earlier in terms of one of the plays he made

1088
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: it practice. Today's is that you're referring to. Yes, I

1089
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: missed half the show. That's why I didn't realize that

1090
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: as we talked about that, but I was curious so

1091
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: he did have a solid looking play because like, if

1092
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: he's getting playing time, that's just really cool because he's

1093
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: very local to me. And then also that Riley Dixon

1094
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: is literally like from up the street, from the punter

1095
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: from the Broncos who they acquired. Yes, he has ties

1096
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: to New York state as well. So so I understand.

1097
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: So so your comment team is you're rooting for everybody

1098
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: that's got is for upstate New York. Understandable. So so

1099
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean if your question is, what is the chances

1100
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: of Elta Towel making the roster, I mean, right now,

1101
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: I think it's very hard to tell. I also think that,

1102
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean, regardless of how good he's looked at practice,

1103
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: you're there, he's got an unbelievable hill to climb because

1104
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: Number one, keep in mind, Odell Beckham is not taking

1105
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: part right now, so that immediately moves everybody up the

1106
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: depth chart. You have to understand, now, that's only one guy,

1107
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: So you know, when you take that into consideration, you're

1108
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: looking at Beckham Shepherd. I don't think anybody is doubting

1109
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: their spots on the roster. You know, anybody after those two.

1110
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Roger Lewis is a lock.

1111
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: I think Roger Lewis has a leg up on the

1112
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: rest of the crew because he has him experience. But

1113
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: you know Roger Lewis, trev Is Rudolph, he's still on

1114
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: this roster, Hunter sharp Flash towards the talent of last season.

1115
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: So he's another guy that's got a little bit more

1116
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: of a proven track record. Cody Lattimer, who was just

1117
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: acquired via free agency. So that's four guys I named

1118
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: before I'm even going to get to the likes of

1119
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: some of these undrafted or unknown commodities. So I mean,

1120
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: you're you're looking at a very uphill climb. I think

1121
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: he's got to make plays in the preseason, and he

1122
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: also has to do it consistently. That's what it would take.

1123
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: It would take if you remember Travis Rudolph, you know,

1124
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: had some preseason moments where he was impressive, but it

1125
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily happening consistently, and then he ultimately made the

1126
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: practice squad, So you know, it would take that type

1127
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: of an effort I think for him to jump over

1128
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: all of the other wide receivers. Okay, and I this

1129
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: was the question that the reason I mentioned those guys

1130
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: that I was going to ask about it, even Ishmael

1131
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: from Syracuse. I don't know if you've followed Syracuse University

1132
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: at all. Well, I mean I followed a little bit.

1133
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I I can't say that I'm very familiar

1134
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: with every single guy on the roster, but your your

1135
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: point about him is with respect to what um Even

1136
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: Ishmael is a very he's very far anything sticks for

1137
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: five is linky, but he like one of these factors

1138
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: receivers in college football. I was just curious if you

1139
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: see anything about him or create anything about it. Well,

1140
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be honest with you. I've done very

1141
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: little work at this point in terms of the two

1142
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen draft, so I mean my insight on who

1143
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: I think is going to be looking good at that position,

1144
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call is very limited in terms

1145
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: of this point. But I mean I will mentally mark

1146
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: down that name. And I mean I do follow college

1147
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: football once the regular season starts, so I mean I

1148
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: will certainly try to catch a few Syracuse games here

1149
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: or there to determine, you know, what I think of him.

1150
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: But I mean to start to speculate what I think

1151
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: of the two thousand nineteen draft. I think we'll get

1152
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: a little bit too far ahead of ourselves. Let's head

1153
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: back to the lines. We've got a J and South

1154
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: Carolina a J. What's happening? Thanks for checking our cow.

1155
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: Um do you think of b J. Shiller has a

1156
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: test to start? Well? Snacks and Um that Thompson. I

1157
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: don't think he's got a legitimate chance to start. I

1158
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: think he's got certainly a chance to carve out a

1159
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: role in the rotation of these defensive linemen. But you know,

1160
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: Snacks and Tomlinson are by far the two most polished

1161
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, and I can even see them experimenting a

1162
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: little bit with you know, maybe moving tomlins into the outside.

1163
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: Not all the time, but I mean, he may be

1164
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: a guy that if they want to move around some

1165
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: of their playmakers in the front three, that he would

1166
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: be somebody that they moved to the outside. And I

1167
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: think they're gonna look to do the same thing with

1168
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: Hill and McIntosh, who have some experience if you go

1169
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: back to how they were utilized in college, to maybe

1170
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: get them on the field a little bit more on

1171
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: the exterior so that they can have guys like Snacks, Tomlinson,

1172
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: and maybe even a Hill or McIntosh on the field

1173
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: all at the same time. I think that's more likely

1174
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: as opposed to Hill taking over on the interior. Well

1175
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm not because I'm not that we're doing it and

1176
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: the t A together. Yeah, and they've been doing that.

1177
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean, even when Spaggs was the defensive coordinator a

1178
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: J they always were looking to maximize some of the players,

1179
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: whether it be three defensive ends, four defensive ends with

1180
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: the NASCAR package. I don't think that's anything new, but

1181
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: I mean I could tell you when we've had some

1182
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: of the college coaches on who have been around Hill

1183
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: and McIntosh, you know, they mentioned the similarity is they've

1184
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: got enough versatility where you can move them to the outside,

1185
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: so that I think is more likely than perhaps putting

1186
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: Harrison and Tomlinson on the bench just to maybe get

1187
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: one of those two guys out there in the starting

1188
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: lineup type of rotation. I I just I don't see

1189
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: that happening at least in year one. Oh yeah, I

1190
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: want more. Thanks Ago. I think totally Landmar I think

1191
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: he might be the third while spot he was doing

1192
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: a good things. Well, the way O T s have

1193
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: been playing out, I would agree with you a j

1194
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call Latimer. You got it. Latimer

1195
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: has been really the first man up in Odell Beckham's

1196
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: absence every time. He's been very involved with the first team.

1197
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: So I mean that is a sign that they want

1198
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: to see more out of him. I think that's number

1199
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: one sign. I think the second sign is clearly he's

1200
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: got a connection to Tyke Tolbert, the wide receiver's coach,

1201
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: so you can understand why maybe they're giving him opportunities

1202
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: from that standpoint. And then the third is the fact

1203
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: that once again I just named you those four wide

1204
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: receivers behind Beckham and Shepherd, and you know, nobody has

1205
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: necessarily come in this year with the new coaching staff

1206
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: and has said, hey, I am far away better than

1207
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: the rest of the group. So why wouldn't Lattimer be

1208
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: heavily involved in that third receiver job? And on previous shows,

1209
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: and you know, for those of you watch religiously, you

1210
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: may have known where we had the conversation and I

1211
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: was bringing up his snaps, not his stats, snap count

1212
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: for Cody Laddimer on offense and you're talking about a

1213
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: player that played anywhere from three percent of the offensive

1214
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: snaps to percent of the offensive snaps. You know, that's

1215
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: what we're looking at. And then it went up to

1216
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: I think ten percent, seventeen percent. He did not have

1217
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: a great deal of an opportunity in Denver. So you know,

1218
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: even if you look at his numbers and you're like,

1219
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, what makes you think this guy is gonna

1220
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: thrive as the third wide receiver? And that's fine. I

1221
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: mean you could have that perspective, but is it really

1222
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: enough of a sample size to truly say that you've

1223
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: seen enough from him over the course of his Denver

1224
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: career to determine whether or not he could thrive in

1225
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: the third receiver role with the New York Giants. I

1226
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: just I don't think there's enough there. Let's take it

1227
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: a step further. If you look at the Minnesota Vikings

1228
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: and I was going over their talent pool. Okay, so

1229
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: you had Feeling and Digs as their one and two.

1230
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: Who was the third receiver for the Minnesota Vikings. Yet

1231
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: the Vikings didn't necessarily miss a beat. Were they utilizing

1232
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: a pro bowler at that third spot? They had Treadwell,

1233
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: who was a high draft pick, I'll give you, but

1234
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: Treadwell barely. So the light of day is rookie year

1235
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: because they knew that he had to still learn the ropes.

1236
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: And then even last year it was bits and pieces,

1237
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily consistent playing time. Despite all of that, the

1238
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: Vikings still had a very productive offense. So once again,

1239
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at how Minnesota operated and

1240
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: then you look at the Giants talent pool, I don't

1241
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: think they're that far behind with who they're looking at

1242
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: at the third wide receiver spot. Let's head back to

1243
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: the lines and we check in with stops at Washington Stops.

1244
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: What's happening, Hey, what's up man? How are you? I'm

1245
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: doing very well. I'll think with you, what do you

1246
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: got for us? I'm gonna I'm gonna tell hey, I

1247
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: kind of was listening to your conversation earlier and I

1248
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: kind of want to jump in on my pants on

1249
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: where Eli is with things and um and then kind

1250
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: of give you my quick defense. So I think my

1251
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: honor continue with Eli Manner. And I think I'm what

1252
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: frustrates people about Eli Manning, I think is you have

1253
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and he's this precision past there and you

1254
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: want that out of Eli and no reality. If you

1255
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: look at Eli's career, he's a gun slinger. That's what

1256
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: he is. He is a very headsy quarterback, but he's

1257
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: a gun slinger. He's always been. In two thou eleven,

1258
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: they think he made his best throw right when he

1259
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: threw that asked at Manningham the Super Bowl. But if

1260
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: you watch that that that same Super Bowl from beginning

1261
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: to end. A few series before that, he made that

1262
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: exact same play to the right side, and Manningham dropped

1263
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: the ball, and you know they said, Eli manning has

1264
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: that was just a poor decision. Uh he he didn't

1265
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: give his receiver any opportunity on the sideline, and they

1266
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: curse that same throw. And then a few serious days

1267
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: he comes down and makes the exact same throw, but

1268
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: it's called and now everyone praises it. You know, go

1269
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: back to his first Super Bowl where you come on

1270
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: the guy throws a high ball over the middle that

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Speaker 1: Tye makes a magical catch. He's a gun slinger, and

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Speaker 1: gun slingers are gonna have interceptions, but they also give

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Speaker 1: you a chance to make some of the greatest plays

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Speaker 1: out there if you really look, if you look at

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Speaker 1: his career, what a gun slingers have in common. They

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Speaker 1: throw for a bunch of a bunch of yards. Eli

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Speaker 1: Manning his top ten all time they throw for a

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Speaker 1: bunch of touchdownds. Eli Manning is also um uh top

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Speaker 1: and all time. They throw a lot of interceptions. Eli

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Speaker 1: Manning is also top and all time they have iron

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01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: Man streaks. Who had the iron Man streak on too.

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Speaker 1: He was He was who I would label as a

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Speaker 1: gun slinger. I understand that. But when you look at

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Speaker 1: the media, I think the media has a lot to

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Speaker 1: do this. So I was privileged enough to go to

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Speaker 1: the two thousand seven and the C Championship in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: I was living out in Wisconsin at the time, and

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Speaker 1: if we all remember, that ended on a play an

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Speaker 1: overtime with far through the interception and we were able

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01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: to kick the field goal. Right after that with the game.

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Speaker 1: Right after that game, I went to this local bar

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Speaker 1: right outside the stadium right and I'm like one of

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Speaker 1: the few people were in Giants jerseys, and um, if

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Speaker 1: you heard how they talked about Brett Farve, you know

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Speaker 1: what they would saying man instead of saying what a

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Speaker 1: bonehead decision. I can't believe he made like the New

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Speaker 1: York media would have done, put a duns tat on him.

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Speaker 1: They're like, man, isn't it awesome to see him out

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01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: there still playing like a rook They were saying, Well,

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Speaker 1: and that's a product of the market, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: I mean the market. Obviously we get a lot of criticism,

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Speaker 1: but that that I don't think necessarily is an excuse

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Speaker 1: in terms of how we look at Eli Manning. I

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01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: mean Eli Manning, whether he plays in the New York market,

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01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: he plays in Green Bay kids. Still, I think be

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01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: looked at through a lens where it's fair to say

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Speaker 1: there are times he does things great and there are

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01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: times where you know, sometimes his decision making can be improved.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't necessarily think that that's different

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Speaker 1: from any other quarterback. But if you love a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: whether you're a fan, you're going to praise him no

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Speaker 1: matter what he does. If you love a player, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna look at more of the positive then you're gonna

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Speaker 1: look at the negative. So I think Eli Manning is

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Speaker 1: thrown the kilometer is any other player. At the end

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Speaker 1: of it, I think Eli Manning. I think Eli Manning,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that I wish you could

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Speaker 1: take back, you know, And I think he does too, um,

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Speaker 1: But I always look at it in this way, like

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Speaker 1: those same plays that make me slap me, slap my

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Speaker 1: forehead and wonder why are the same I've also seen

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01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: him do those same plays, and I'm jumping off my

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Speaker 1: couch like only Eli Manning would dare make this thrill.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, I would take that because that that you're

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01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: gonna get losses, that you're gonna get wins, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a certain attitude that a good

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Speaker 1: leader has and and one of those is you can't

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Speaker 1: be afraid to fail. You can't try not to lose.

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01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: You gotta go out there and try to win. I

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Speaker 1: agree with Stotts, and I'm gonna let you go on

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01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: that note as we're looking to wrap up the show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the phone call, but I would say this, you

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01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: always want a quarterback that's gonna give you a chance

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01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: to win. That goes without saying, but you also want

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Speaker 1: the quarterback that also knows the difference between when to

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Speaker 1: take those risks and when not to. That to me

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Speaker 1: is what separates the greats from the rest of the pack.

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Speaker 1: You could have a gun slinger quarterback, and you could

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01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: have a guy that is always gonna put the football

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01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: up to get his wide receiver to make a play.

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01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: But he also knows it may be okay to do

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01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: that in the middle of the second quarter, right before

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Speaker 1: the end of the half, or when they have a lead,

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01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: as opposed to doing it when you got the final

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01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: drive in the fourth quarter. And sometimes the conservative route

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01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: is the better approach. So circumstance, game strategy is something

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: you have to take in the consideration when you want

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Speaker 1: to have that conversation. All right, That is gonna wrap

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Speaker 1: things up for us here today on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Certainly appreciate all the phone calls, all the tweets. Will

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Speaker 1: be back up and running tomorrow at noon Eastern as

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Speaker 1: we will take you through the latest from O T

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Speaker 1: A s. As the Giant's gonna have another O T

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Speaker 1: E tomorrow, so we'll keep you up to date on that.

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Speaker 1: And here from Paul Detino and I as we will

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Speaker 1: be steering the ship. John Schmilk is certainly not here,

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01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: but he is going to bid you goodbye as well

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Speaker 1: as I will look at this. He wants to come

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01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: back to waves to see. John schmal did make an appearance,

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01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: but it was a little late to the ceremony to

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Speaker 1: get hopping back on the mic. Enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 1: your Wednesday here on giants dot com. Well speak to

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow. I have a good one.