1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Fields 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Huddle Group, Jaguar Senior writer. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: John Osher, NFL network analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 2: and Senior reporter J. P. 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 3: Shaddrick. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 4: Where you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars. 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 3: Huddle Up starts right now. 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks brought to you by the 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: Field's Auto Group, Jacksonville se Fields First, Jacksonville's premier luxury 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: auto group. Go to Fieldsauto dot Com. Mandatory Mini camp 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: is here. JP Shadwick, John Oser in the Hundai studios, 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks in Los Angeles, Pete Prisco in studio with 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: us today as well infiltrating the Bucky Brooks program. 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 4: Well, a couple of things right off to that, Bucky 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 4: has his own show, Amazing Football. All these things out 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 4: to everybody in the. 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: World To Bucky Brooks Podcast with special guest Bucky Brooks 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: and this week's special guest Bucky Brooks. 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 4: Bucky bro I mean he did play on both sides 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 4: of the ball. 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 3: Buck he did. 22 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 4: Ca'se Anybody's wanted he did? He did. 23 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: He was Travis before. 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 4: Tramps and senior reporter What the hell are you reporting. 25 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: I'm very senior, and I'm getting more senior by the day. 26 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 4: I know that part, Buck, You've got to change the 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 4: title of it. I mean he was a reporter. I 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 4: was a reporter. 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: J I just read commercials, brother, I don't know, man, 30 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: rip and read until we got here. 31 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: Uh, Bucky, good afternoon. How about that intro? 32 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 5: He look, man, I love you got my favorite guy 33 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 5: in the building, Pete Risco, the guy that we were 34 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 5: warned not to talk to when I was in Jacksonville. 35 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 5: But somehow, thirty years later, Pete Risco is still standing, 36 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 5: still made it. 37 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 4: How many times did he warn you guys about talking 38 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 4: to me every meeting? 39 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 6: I mean, I mean every now and then. 40 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: Don't talk to. 41 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: You? 42 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: You you you? 43 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,919 Speaker 6: I mean we didn't. 44 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 5: We didn't quite labor you rat poison, but it may 45 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 5: have been intimated. 46 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 4: I take that as a compliment of honor. But rat poison. 47 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 6: It's called me worse. 48 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 7: Yes, he had, He's called me worse. 49 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: So manatory Mini camp yesterday today and tomorrow today open 50 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: to the public. So a bunch of fans out there, Pete, 51 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: what'd you like the first couple of days? 52 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 4: I mean, it's hard, it's underwear Olympics. You know, I 53 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: don't get excited about mini camp. And we always talked 54 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 4: about what was it? 55 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: Was it Curtis Marsh, Well, yeah, there was many yeahs. 56 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: He single handedly destroyed Curtis Marsh. You single handedly destroyed. 57 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 4: Curtis Marsh came here, he came here as and in the 58 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 4: first like weeks he's running around guys and everybody thought 59 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 4: he was starting to what they already yell at him. 60 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 4: Wait did he get bad and he disappeared? I mean 61 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: it happened. Johnny Morton didn't happen to him too. 62 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: I think, I mean, it happened. 63 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 4: It happens. That's why it's so hard to read into 64 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 4: these things. Now you can see picking up the scheme, 65 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: the receivers running the DB's. You know, the quarterback didn't 66 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 4: throw much today and I think maybe, you know, his 67 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 4: arm is he's obviously wearing to sleep, so maybe he's 68 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 4: getting worn out a little bit. I mean, it's not 69 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: just here by the way you go around, all the 70 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: quarterbacks arms are bombing. 71 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 7: Well, because. 72 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: It's a different world than what we grew up in 73 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: the NFLP You've got this time here that Bucky loves. 74 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: But it is to be throwing. They work a lot 75 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: this time of year, which they didn't used to do. 76 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: I personally don't think as much of this as necessary. 77 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: I think this is a more classroom time and that 78 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: we tend because it's out there on the field in 79 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: front of us. JP's heard me say this a thousand times. 80 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: Because it's on the field in front of us, people 81 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: want us to evaluate it. And this is really a 82 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: learning time that you know, yes, have Trevor throw, but 83 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: the classroom is what matters this time of year. And 84 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: as boring as fans probably find the quote end install periods, 85 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: we can't analyze install periods, but if you rate the 86 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: level of importance, those install educational periods are why this 87 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: time of your matters. 88 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: But there's a balance, Buckey, right, you still got to 89 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: get some work on the field and make it look right. 90 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, you still have to get it on the field 91 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 6: and make it look right. 92 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 5: And you know these workhouts where there's OTA's or mini 93 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 5: camps like, they serve a few different purposes. One for 94 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 5: the coaches, it's it's a period of experimentation. A lot 95 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 5: of times coaches have been in the lab all offseason 96 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 5: working on concepts and things, and these practice sessions give 97 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 5: them a chance to see what it looks like on 98 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 5: tape whether they want to keep it, so they go 99 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 5: through that the flesh it out to see if they. 100 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 6: Want to install it in training camp. 101 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 5: And then when it comes to the evaluation and the players, 102 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 5: you're trying to see who can pick up the things 103 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 5: that they're being taught in the classroom. Can they implement 104 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 5: those things into the field? Can they execute it? Do 105 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 5: they look like we thought they were going to look 106 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 5: when a guy coming from college making his way to 107 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 5: the pros. And then with the terans, where do we 108 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 5: feel like they are in their process when it comes 109 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 5: to year five, six or seven? 110 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 6: Do we feel like they can contribute? 111 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 5: So there are a lot of things working, but really 112 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 5: it all means nothing until we start playing preseason games 113 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 5: because the decisions are made really quickly once you get 114 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 5: into the season and they start playing games that kind of matter. 115 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: It's very few times, Pete, that I've ever written in October. 116 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: So instead of running back co who what terrific? 117 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 7: In June? 118 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 4: It's just every surgery is a success, right right. Every 119 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 4: player's come back in the best shape of his life. 120 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 4: He's fitting perfectly. I mean, it's just it's the boys 121 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: of summer. That's what I call it. 122 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: That's what this is, sweet till grind mode during the 123 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: dead people. 124 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 4: Okay, let's for example, let's talk about the draft class. 125 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 4: A couple of the rookie running back to Can you 126 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 4: tell anything about him? We know he's fast. Can you 127 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 4: tell anything about his running ability? No, you can't because 128 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: he's not running with pads the safety ramsall. He's looked good, 129 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 4: he's good, made a great play today, It's going to 130 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 4: be a really good player. But until you put the 131 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: pads on bucket. You know this, if you start blasting 132 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 4: people in it, well I say that because nobody hits 133 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 4: anybody anymore anyways. But you have no idea if these 134 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: guys can play football or not. 135 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 6: No, you don't. And look, you want to keep everything 136 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 6: in perspective. But all we can talk about is what 137 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 6: we have for in front of us right now. 138 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 5: Like I mean, can't blow up many camp and not 139 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 5: have people pay attention to what the Jags are doing now. 140 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 5: But you're right, none of this means anything until we 141 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 5: put the pass on for the skill guys. You can 142 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 5: get some of the timing done you can kind of 143 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 5: build the chemistry and connection. And to me, my focus 144 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 5: would be on Trevor Lawrence, what he looks like doing 145 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 5: the basics in this offense. How can they build it 146 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 5: out to make it even more Number sixteen friendly. 147 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 6: But yeah, like we won't see. 148 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 5: The physicality the toughs until you put the pads on 149 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 5: and then really start making real assessments. 150 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 6: Oh, who can and who can't play in this leap. 151 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 2: There's a couple of things I believe you can see 152 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: this time of year if people want to get your 153 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: thoughts on these, If you're around it, which we've been 154 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: in which you got here today, you can get a 155 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: feeling of whether or not players believe in the direction. 156 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: And I never know how to define that, but you 157 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: can feel it and from talking to players, from being 158 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: around this, they do believe in this, and I think 159 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: that matters very much tangibly, I think, which you can 160 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: see that's different to me, this receiver group. 161 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 7: Might be the best overall. 162 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: Receiver group has a chance to be the most special, 163 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: most dynamic. Keenan and Jimmy are a different world. They're 164 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: the legends of this franchise. So I can't compare the 165 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: top two to those two guys. 166 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 7: But this receiver group, the way they move is different. 167 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 4: They're all fast, yeah, everybody. And what did we talk 168 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 4: about all last year at JP No speed on offense? 169 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 4: There was. I mean, Brian Thomas could run, but he 170 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 4: was a kid early in his process. 171 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 3: Everybody else was running. 172 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 4: Everybody else nobody could run. Well, now they can run, 173 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: and everybody puts the fear into a defense. You got 174 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: to defend them differently. And when they come up and 175 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 4: they move him around, that's one of the best things 176 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 4: about him. I think, you know, nobody's in one spot. 177 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 4: They all move around. There's a lot of plays and 178 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: you see where they put him in motion before the 179 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 4: snap and get him going out into the route. I 180 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 4: love that because they were stagnant on offense. It was 181 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 4: a very stagnant offense. And I think that's the biggest 182 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 4: difference is they can run now. And when you can run, 183 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 4: you know, look to compare anybody to Jimmy and Keen, 184 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: and they got a long way to go to get 185 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 4: to that. 186 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 3: Do they have the. 187 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 4: Potential to get to that? Those two guys have. Brian 188 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 4: Thomas is being cheated and I feel bad about that. 189 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 4: In a lot of ways. Travis Hunter is going to 190 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 4: be a great player. Don't get me wrong. 191 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: I love him. 192 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 4: I love everything I've seen from him. I've watched a 193 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 4: lot of his stuff. I watched him in college. I 194 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 4: love this game. But Brian Thomas is one. He's the 195 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 4: real deal. We talk about all time great receivers right 196 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 4: now in this league. You're talking about Jefferson and Chase. 197 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 4: This kid has a chance to be that, and he's 198 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: not getting talked about enough about it. And that's where 199 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 4: I think he's getting cheated a little bit. I think 200 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: he's going to get to that level. And look, Travis 201 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 4: Hunter is going to be a great player too. But 202 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 4: let's not forget about Brian Thomas because I think right now, 203 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: if you ask me right now who the best rookie 204 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 4: receiver was that you're going which which of those guys 205 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 4: I would take before this before the draft? It wasn't him. 206 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 4: It was Belaite Neighbors. But I was not one of 207 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 4: those Mormon Harrison guys like everybody else, because I like suddenness. 208 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 4: I like guys who can go. Brian Thomas right there 209 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: with them. But right now, Brian Thomas is the best 210 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 4: of that group. 211 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: There's one way to get to that point, though, and 212 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: that's just play. I mean play and produce right, no 213 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: matter the noise around you right now. 214 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: Right And as far as Brian Thomas Junior, that's absolutely 215 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: what he can do and JP, I believe it's what 216 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: he will do. 217 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 7: And there's certain guys when you cover. 218 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: The league that you can feel as rookies sort of 219 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: scratch the surface. 220 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 7: And then you get the idea that they are ready to. 221 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: Start taking over games and start being the reason that 222 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: teams excel. And the guy that I'm thinking of as 223 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: I say this was Bob Sanders and Indy. When I 224 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: covered him, he played about five or six games as 225 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: a rookie. But when you talk to people, this is 226 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: the cult safety from the mid two thousands. But when 227 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: you you talk to people in the offseason and when 228 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: you watched camp, there was a second year thing with 229 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: this guy where all of a sudden, his second year 230 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: was two thousand and five, and the cult of defense 231 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: that year was the best in the league for during 232 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: the regular season because Bob accelerated and became a game 233 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: changing player. When they're great, that's what happens in their 234 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: second year because they all of a sudden get it. 235 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: There's many many other guys that you've seen do that, 236 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: But that's what BTJ feels like. He feels to me 237 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: like he's a guy who could get sixteen hundred yards 238 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: all pro that sort of mention. I'm not sure when 239 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: the last time we've had a guy I think Kalais 240 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: in seventeen was that level of this is a guy 241 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: who is. 242 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 7: Lifting a franchise. BTJ has that field to me. 243 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: And you know, you talk about the second year even 244 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 4: more so for wide receivers because usually in the first 245 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 4: year figuring it out, they're figuring it out, they're reading 246 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 4: on the run. There's not as plain as fast as 247 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: they normally would where they get more comfortable and again 248 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 4: it's a new so he's learning again, but he's much 249 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 4: more comfortable with the idea is of playing wide receiver 250 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 4: in the NFL. 251 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: Bucky, how does a young player handle all this? 252 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 6: Now? 253 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 5: Look, I think John MP made great points most not 254 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 5: the biggest jump that a young player makes is from 255 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 5: year one to year two, because they now know the 256 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 5: league that they're in, they know how. 257 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 6: To better prepare for the league. 258 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 5: That development kicks in and they go from training for 259 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 5: the combine to really training for success on the field. 260 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 6: So Brian Thomas Junior should make a huge leap. 261 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 5: And going back to what was thrown out there in 262 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 5: terms of like Keenan and Jimmy and this being the 263 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 5: best wide receiver corp, potentially that the Jacks have happened. 264 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 6: I would say yes. 265 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 5: And I would say that even though Btj's not getting 266 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 5: the attention, I think around the league when they look 267 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 5: at the scouting report, I think the number one player 268 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 5: that they're going to put a dot on is going 269 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 5: to be Brian Thomas Junior because he's proven and he's established. 270 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 5: And I would say that Brian Thomas Junior is more 271 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: of the Jimmy Smith in this scenario. Travis Hunter is 272 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 5: more like Keenan, may be more dynamic, but more of 273 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 5: the complement to the guy that's domain entre. 274 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 6: Btj's domain entre. He's the number one. 275 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 5: I think what if we if we stretch this out 276 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 5: and say a perfect world, what it looks like. It 277 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 5: looks like BTJ having fifteen hundred yards, Travis Hunter having 278 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 5: a thousand to eleven hundred yards and maybe more explosive plays. 279 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 5: But make no mistake, BTJ is the number one receiver 280 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 5: on this team. 281 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: No matter how Travis Hunter gets, Keenan will still think 282 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: he's beat. 283 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 3: That's what I say, Well more dynamic. We do love that. 284 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 4: Travis Hunter might want to call Keenan up and ask 285 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 4: him how to run routes. Yeah, I mean Keenny. You 286 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: know that Bucky Keenan was one of the best route 287 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 4: runners this league has ever seen, and he's now one 288 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 4: of the best wide receiver coaches this league has ever seen. 289 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 4: So I think when you look at Travis Hunter, that's 290 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 4: the step for him is learning how to run routes. 291 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 4: It's clear when you watch him, the natural ability is there. 292 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 4: I don't think he was ever taught to run routes. 293 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 4: I don't think anybody Colorado taught him how to run routes. 294 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 6: No, I mean that was the big thing coming out. 295 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 5: Like I would say this, like he is definitely more 296 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 5: of a playmaker than a precise route runner. He is 297 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 5: more of a get the ball in his hands and 298 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 5: let him go to work. And that's different and we 299 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 5: will see how that plays out. Particularly when they start 300 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 5: playing against good defensive backs, guys that are sound technically, 301 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 5: it could be a little harder for him to create 302 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 5: space whereas BTJ is smooth, fluid, polished, dynamic. 303 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 6: He can do it all. 304 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 5: He can take it off the top, he can run 305 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 5: the intermediate stuff. So he is what you typically want 306 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 5: as a number one, someone that can do it all. 307 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 5: Travis Hunter, to me, is a high end number two 308 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 5: that can make big plays, and he is going to 309 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 5: be a big play specialist. But I don't think he 310 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 5: has the skill set right now to be a number one. 311 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: I think he's going to be Brook says, Jaguars trained 312 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 4: up number two to get a number two wide receive. 313 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 4: But you're sunning up. 314 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 5: But Pete, even in that, I'm gonna be honest with you, 315 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 5: I thought he was a much better I thought he 316 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 5: had more potential to be a dominant player at cornerback 317 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 5: than at wide receiver. I think the reason why at 318 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 5: corner he can make things happen is because his ball 319 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 5: skills are unrivaled, Like I haven't seen anyone who can 320 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 5: catch the ball and make the plays that he naturally 321 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 5: makes on defense. 322 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 6: On offense, I always felt. 323 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 5: Like he was a playmaker more so than a polished receiver. 324 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 5: And it's easy to get excited about what guys do 325 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 5: on offense. That's the nature of our league. But to me, 326 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 5: his value as in being a two way player more 327 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 5: so than just being a one way spot. 328 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: The twenty twenty five season schedule has dropped. Single game 329 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: tickets are on sale now, so don't miss your favorite matchup. 330 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: Secure your tickets at Jaguars dot com. Slash tickets for 331 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: Call nine, Zer four. 332 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: Get three, Number two, get number two wide receive. Can 333 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: watch that number two wide receiver for two thousand. 334 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,119 Speaker 3: That's Pete Prisco CBS Sports. You might have heard of him, Bucky. 335 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: Brooks, of course, Shatrick with John Osher. I love you, 336 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: Pete man, I really do. 337 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: You know. 338 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: We've got a lot to figure out in the fall 339 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: coming up about the programming and all that, but you're 340 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: gonna be back around. 341 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 4: I just hope your dad likes me. 342 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 6: No, that's. 343 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: Hates with a capital H because. 344 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 4: I take, but I take JP's airtime. His dad then takes. 345 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: Shots unnecessary below the belt. 346 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 4: Shots at you. Yeah, No, I don't. 347 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true to love. Who doesn't? 348 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 6: Uh? 349 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: Defense? 350 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 4: Yes, after what happened out there today, Mark Long might. 351 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: Old boy defense? What stands out to you on the 352 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: defensive side? New scheme, A lot of new faces in 353 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: the secondary. But some guys who've been around here for 354 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: a number of years, they're lighter. We know that for 355 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: a fact. 356 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 4: That nobody's throwing meat on the table. That's that's a 357 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 4: true story, by the way, But you know, you know 358 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 4: that story bucket coordinated throughous so stupid. That might be 359 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: one of the dumbest NFL stories I've ever heard in 360 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 4: my life. And well, the acts, I mean, we could 361 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 4: go yeah, but look, they're lighter, they're leaner. But more 362 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 4: than that, just watching them out there, they throw a 363 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 4: bunch of different looks at you. It's not And I 364 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 4: was talking to Josh lens Allen after practice and they 365 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: love it. They love it, and I think that's the 366 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 4: biggest difference. You know, they're lighter and leaner, and that's 367 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 4: going to help them with their speed and everything. But 368 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 4: you can do so many different things now. And I 369 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 4: thought they were predictable on defense. That was a predictable defense, 370 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 4: and they weren't good. They had so many busted assignments 371 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 4: which just wreaked the poor coaching. No, they were bad. 372 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 4: It was a bad defense. This defense can be much 373 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: better now. There's things that have to happen for it 374 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 4: to be better, not just schematically. You can be great 375 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 4: all you want, but you got to have players play. 376 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: But I do think they're going to be better on 377 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 4: that side of the ball. 378 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the intriguing thing because Campinelly, I think 379 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 2: is unbelievably good for this team, this roster, these players, 380 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: the amount that they believe in him, the way he's 381 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: connected to him, I think does matter very much. He 382 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: puts such an emphasis and this is important no matter 383 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: what scheme you're playing, but when a coordinator emphasizes something, 384 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: it usually tends to rise up. And he puts such 385 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: an emphasis on getting off blocks and explosion at the 386 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: point of attack, and that's all he talks like, I 387 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: shouldn't say's all he talks about, but he emphasizes it 388 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: all the time. So I can't help but think that 389 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: they by default are going to be a half yard 390 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: whatever the number is better against the run. If you 391 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: get a little better against the run, Josh Trayvon Eric 392 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: Armstead inside will be better. I just can't help but 393 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: think that this defense last year felt I hate the 394 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: word soft, but it couldn't stop the run in the 395 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: moments where it needed to. It couldn't limit that if 396 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: it can limit that there's enough pass rush and you're 397 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 2: facing the quarterback in the secondary to create turnovers off 398 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: pass rush. I just can't help but think the defense 399 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: rises at least to mid way through the league when 400 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: they were the worst in the league last year. 401 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 4: The run defense has been a problem around here for 402 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 4: a while. Let's be frank. I mean, it's just for 403 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 4: how many years now, It's been an issue for. 404 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 6: A couple of years. 405 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 4: They just don't stop the run. And when you don't 406 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 4: stop the run and you got beefy pass rushers, you're 407 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: not going to rush the passer very well. 408 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 5: What it is, Look, it's a huge issue last year 409 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 5: because you can't get to the point where you want 410 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 5: to rush the passer because the run defense was so leaky, 411 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 5: and then when you give up big plays in the secondary, 412 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 5: you have no chance of being able to win. This 413 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 5: defense should be better because they're going to more of 414 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 5: a vision and break defense, more zone coverage, more eyes 415 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 5: on the ball that not only will help them close 416 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 5: quicker to the balls that are thrown underneath, but it 417 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 5: also helps if the running hot hops, if they're able 418 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 5: to pop a big run, you have more guys that 419 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: can see it and they can get it down and 420 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 5: so it won't go to the house. It just seems 421 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 5: like the guys are really bought in right now to 422 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 5: what is being said on offense and defense. 423 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 6: But you know, maybe it's the credibility. 424 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 5: Maybe it's just the desire to want to be better 425 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 5: after such a horrific season last year. 426 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 6: But it does appear that there's a. 427 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 5: Connection between the players and the coaching staff, and the 428 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 5: scheme is gonna work because the players believe in what 429 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 5: the coaches are saying. 430 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: The twenty twenty five season in Daily's Place is rolling 431 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: right down. Rolling Vampire Weekend June twelfth, Glass Animals June seventeenth, April, 432 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: Levine at June twenty third, Slightly Stupid June twenty sixth, 433 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: plenty more. 434 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 3: Two nights or should I have twain in July? 435 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 6: By the way? Two nights? 436 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: Not one, but two? 437 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 4: Who looks different these days? 438 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: At least places dot com for tickets it's show information. 439 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: She looks lovely. 440 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 6: What are you talking about, Pete? 441 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 4: This doesn't look like you' ninth Wayne anymore? 442 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll find out. July twenty ninth and thirtieth. I 443 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: suppose he's not coming up for that one. 444 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 4: I guess it's I actually like her music a little bit. 445 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 7: First night. 446 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: Second, we're trying to get Biselli's. 447 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 3: Couch for that. 448 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 4: But doesn't he have a sweet now? 449 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure whatever you want. 450 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 4: You know, he's the kind of guy he used to 451 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 4: take advantage of everybody else's sweets and couches. He wouldn't 452 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 4: get anybody take advantage. 453 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, you can't even get into his No, 454 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: no chance. What do you got coming up the rest 455 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: of the day, Peter, Are you here tomorrow as well? 456 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 4: I'll be here tomorrow. I'm talking to the quarterback tomorrow. 457 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 4: Oh big yeah, Nick Mullens, Nick Mullens, Yeah yeah, Nick. 458 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: Those helium blues yesterday? 459 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: Well then. 460 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 4: He didn't have a great practice today. 461 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 3: Offense overall, just no bad. 462 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 4: Day for the offense. Bad day for the offense. I mean, 463 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 4: once Brian Thomas goes, I think kind of changes the 464 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 4: dynamic of the offense. Bit yeahtle bit. But I'm talking 465 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 4: to the quarterback tomorrow. Look, you guys know, it's all him. 466 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 4: It's on him. This team is going to go as 467 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 4: far as he goes. If he takes the strides and 468 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 4: gets better, it's gonna be a good football team. If 469 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 4: he doesn't, they're gonna have questions about their decision to 470 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 4: pay him, and they're gonna have questions a quarterback. I 471 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 4: tend to agree that he'll take the move, the move 472 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 4: to go up. I think his mechanics have improved just 473 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 4: from watching what I've seen from him. Get his a 474 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 4: little quicker, shorter on the release, which I think he 475 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 4: needed to be. He's elongated, wind up is shortened a 476 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 4: little bit. If he goes to the next step, which 477 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 4: I think he can do, then they're gonna be a 478 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 4: good football team. If he doesn't, then they got major 479 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 4: problems and major issues. 480 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: And he doesn't even really have to be to me 481 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, he doesn't have to be one 482 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: of the top two or three guys yet. Yeah, you know, 483 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 2: if he just takes that step and gets to where 484 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 2: I thought he was at the end of twenty two 485 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: and started twenty three, then they're fine. 486 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 7: And if he accelerates past that, then look out, yeah you. 487 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 4: Got you gotta get him into the top ten conversation 488 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: and right you know, right now he was in that 489 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 4: and now he kind of added the injury and everything's 490 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 4: kind of you know, outside of Jacksonville. The perception of 491 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 4: Trevor Larns isn't great. I'll be honest with you. And 492 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 4: Bucky knows. Bucky's out in LA He knows. 493 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 6: Yeah. 494 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 5: I mean, look, there's a thing where when guys come 495 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 5: in because remember how he was held and portrayed coming 496 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 5: into the draft. 497 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 6: He was talking about a generational talent. 498 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 5: We thought he was going to be one of those 499 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 5: guys that quickly ascended to being a top five player. 500 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 6: It hasn't happened like that. 501 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 5: He's shown flashes of being the guy that some expected 502 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 5: him to be, but. 503 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 6: He hasn't done it consistently. 504 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 5: The one thing that you have to do as a 505 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 5: team once you made a decision to pay him is 506 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 5: let's make sure we give him every opportunity to be 507 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 5: the player that we want him to be. And the 508 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 5: money's the money. The other thing is getting him to 509 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 5: play that way. And so I think you've seen bigger receivers, 510 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 5: more explosive receivers, things that he was able to be 511 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 5: successful doing at Clemson. 512 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 6: You'll see some of those things incorporated. 513 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 5: But I think the best thing that Liam Corn has 514 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 5: been able to do being around it, he saw what 515 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 5: Sean McVeigh did for Jerick Goff, and then he personally 516 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 5: helped Baker Mayfield kind of take his. 517 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 6: Game up a notch. 518 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 5: And a lot of that was understanding who the quarterback 519 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 5: is and put them in a position. 520 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 6: To only do the things that they do well. 521 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 5: If they do those things with Trevor and quit trying 522 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 5: to make him be something that he's not, he'll have 523 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 5: an opportunity to have success. And so it's on the 524 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 5: coaches to find a way to make the quarterback right 525 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 5: because he's gonna be here for the next four. 526 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 6: Or five years. 527 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: Well, since this is the last Bucky Brooks show the 528 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: off season, we're done, I'll I like to look for 529 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: tangible things that will translate onto the field. 530 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 4: Are you using that word? Because it's like become a 531 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 4: buzzword around here. 532 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: Intangible the best tangible raise the level of the ecosystem. 533 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: Pe If you think about what they're four and thirteen 534 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: last year. If you think about the one thing that 535 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: could accelerate this team in a hurry, I will go 536 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: with the speed and play making a wide receiver. Think 537 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: about how much better Trevor Lawrence is, how much this 538 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: team better if out of seventeen games you get eight 539 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: more plays won every two games of a guy getting 540 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: a fifteen yard pass and it becoming sixty. You had 541 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: one guy on the team last year BTJ who could 542 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: do it. You've got at least three this year. That's 543 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: a huge difference. That to me shows up on the scoreboard. 544 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: And I think if everything else just gets stabilized and 545 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 2: that element is as real as I think it might be, 546 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 2: I think that's where you see this team. That's the 547 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: hope for this team to make a huge acceleration next year. 548 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 4: I think the play calling will make a big difference. 549 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 4: You know how I felt about the play calling, and 550 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 4: I thought it was terrible at eighteen thousand bubble screens 551 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 4: and a game. And I know why they were doing 552 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 4: because they were limited on the offensive line. They were scared. 553 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 4: The quarterback got sped up a bunch. He started looking 554 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 4: at the rush and that can never happen. But they 555 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 4: have to be able to protect him. And are they 556 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 4: significantly better up front? That's the question. 557 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 2: I think that's the major storyline of August and into 558 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: the first few weeks. 559 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 4: Correct. I mean, because Hainesy's a smart, good, solid center, 560 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 4: He's not a great center. The right guard you know, 561 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 4: McCarry's a good player, and he's more self made, tough, 562 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 4: feisty kind of guy than he is an overbearing talent. 563 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 4: The right tackle has to start playing. You got a 564 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 4: competition going over there. The left guard, I think he's 565 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 4: kind of miscast in this offense, but he'll probably start 566 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 4: the season at left guard. And the left tackle they 567 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 4: paid him, but this regime didn't pay him. And so 568 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 4: you know, is the line going to be that much 569 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 4: better or is good coaching going to make the line better? 570 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 4: Because I think even if they don't have to be 571 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 4: the Eagles, because they're not going to be that, but 572 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 4: they have to be better than what they were, and 573 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 4: I think they can be better than what they were. 574 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 7: And credit to him because they've done. 575 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 2: I thought, within what they had with the cap, what 576 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: they were doing, you did as much as you could 577 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 2: do in the offseason. And the offensive line, to me, is 578 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: always something that you have to build over a few years. 579 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: They did as much as they could with their situation 580 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 2: to emphasize it, to get it. It feels like it's 581 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: the first step up a short hill or maybe a 582 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: large hill, but I feel like there's hope that it 583 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: could be better. With the factors they be, and then 584 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: I think in the next couple of drafts, I think 585 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: you'll see it accelerate. 586 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 4: Well, like I was in Tampa last week, and Tampa 587 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 4: has everybody back on the on the offense, the entire 588 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 4: offense is back. Plus you know a Buka the wide 589 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 4: receiver they drafted, so they're loaded. But you look at 590 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 4: the e and I talked about the offensive line. The 591 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 4: left tackles one of the best in football. There's no 592 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 4: question about that. They drafted them. The right tackle has 593 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 4: become a really good player. Gettikey, who was a guard 594 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 4: who was a disasters the guard, but he's become a 595 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 4: good player at and the center, Graham Barton's now in 596 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 4: the second year. So you got the left tackle, the 597 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 4: right tackle, in the center. The other two guys if 598 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 4: they're just adequate. And we know we always talked about. 599 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 7: Guard supposed to be the formula man. 600 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 4: Correct and so here you paid a left tackle, you 601 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 4: invested heavily in the right tackle, and you just paid 602 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 4: the center. You're supposed to be the whoever plays those 603 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 4: other and McCary obviously got paid, so he's gonna be 604 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 4: the right guard. Whoever plays the left guard, you're supposed 605 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 4: to be better up front because of the assets you 606 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 4: used on that offensive line, and so the questions become 607 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 4: the two tackles. That's the questions on this offensive line. 608 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 3: Right, But this group didn't pick those tackles, no theory, So. 609 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 5: Bucky not that they didn't, but if they were gonna 610 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 5: move on or do anything, they had opportunities to do that, 611 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 5: they could address those things in the draft or whatever. 612 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 5: But Pete and Johnna Wright like is to tomato can 613 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 5: theory is what they talk about, Like, you don't have 614 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 5: to be great, but you can't have tomato cans playing 615 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 5: on the offensive line, like the guys that are the 616 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 5: obvious fish that you can attack everywhere. And if we're 617 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 5: talking about the principal where you're having two good offensive 618 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 5: tackles in the center, well then you want guards who 619 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 5: can play well with their neighbors, meaning that you can 620 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 5: use body help and situations to do that. Are we 621 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 5: good enough on the outside to say that, hey, if 622 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 5: we have inferior players on the inside, or do we 623 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 5: have an inferior offensive line that can't hold up. 624 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 6: So that's where Walker little and that's on Harrison. 625 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 5: Like if this was back in the day we say 626 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 5: they have to wear the big sombrero and training camp. 627 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 5: Are they good enough or do you have to find 628 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 5: other alternatives to be able to. 629 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 6: Put on the field to help this offense get the 630 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 6: where it needs to go. 631 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 4: Can you remember the guards on your team when you 632 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 4: played here? 633 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 2: Uh? 634 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 6: No, really? 635 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 4: I bet you know. 636 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 3: I bet you remember the tackles? 637 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah, big Baby and Tony like I mean 638 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 5: we were talking about being cold the guys. 639 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 6: Going in there. 640 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 4: But yeah, but they cycled through the Yeah, Rich Kilski, 641 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 4: Ben Coleman played guard for a while. I mean they 642 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 4: had rotated guards. It was never in the center nine 643 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 4: times out. Often the center went. 644 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: Very good either in this day and age in the 645 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: NFL with the cap, with money you have to allocate. 646 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: It's supposed to be tackle tackle center with supplementary guards 647 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: in your ideal salary cap structured tank. 648 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 4: You know what, though, the guards are getting paid now, 649 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 4: the guards have become a that's a position that's been 650 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: getting paid. 651 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: Everybody paid said this rum, he gets paid this room. 652 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: Bucky gets paid better, get paid right? 653 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, no. 654 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 4: Is that everybody does anybody else in the whole place 655 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 4: have a name on the Show. 656 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 3: The Liam Cohen Show. 657 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 4: So Liam Cohan and Bucky Brooks. 658 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: Two. 659 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 4: You would have thought he was Jimmy or something. 660 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you should see the power of Oh my gosh, 661 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: I love your Bucky. 662 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 5: Good ud Pete. I talked, I talked to you. I 663 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 5: ignored the band. I talked to you. 664 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 6: Let it be banned. I still would creep over there 665 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 6: when you're starting to me in trouble. 666 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 7: Whdrake got released? 667 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 4: No, Bucky did. Yeah, it was one of the good 668 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 4: guys in the locker room. There were plenty of bad ones. 669 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 4: Oh you got any names? We name names where we. 670 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: Are Bucky, have a great off season. This is our 671 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: last program with you until training camp. 672 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 4: Enjoy it. 673 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: Buck. 674 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 4: You coming for training camp. 675 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 5: I wouldn't miss it from here that time. I love 676 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 5: I love all those things. 677 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks, Pete, thanks for hopping. 678 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 6: In with us. Yeah, great to see you. 679 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 4: Bucky Brooks Show. 680 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 3: This is the Bucky Brooks Program with Bucky Brooks and three. 681 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 7: Other guys and special guest Bucky brook. 682 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 3: Pete Briscoe, John O's your j P. Shaddick. 683 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks are thanks to Joe Fortunate. I'm on print Reaper. 684 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: Thanks to you. 685 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: For listening and watching. Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks