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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Warning. I'm thrilled to be joined tonight

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Speaker 1: by Ron Fournier, who writes at Convulsions. You can find

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Speaker 1: him there. Ron is an exceptional journalist, writer, thinker from Detroit, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: A person deeply, deeply, deeply grounded in ethics and history

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Speaker 1: and the values of the country. It's one of my

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Speaker 1: first reads every day. Ron Fournier is the real deal

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Speaker 1: as far as journalists go. In a different era, Ron

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Speaker 1: was the White House excuse me, chief White House correspondent

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Speaker 1: of the Associated Press, which in the world a journalist

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Speaker 1: that's the equivalent of like a supreme commander title. You

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Speaker 1: are the man and Ron and I have had fights.

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Speaker 1: We've had conversations. I've hung up the phone on them.

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Speaker 1: You sung up the phone on me. I suspect a

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Speaker 1: time or two. No one I respect more. And as

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Speaker 1: we get going this evening, my first question for you,

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Speaker 1: what's the lead of the story? Today?

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Speaker 2: President Trump caves on terrorists to seventy five plus countries,

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Speaker 2: escalates the trade war on China, and declares victory.

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Speaker 3: Period. It's all bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Why after ten years you are a fearsome presence in

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Speaker 1: the briefing room in the White House, and as somebody

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Speaker 1: who is a spokesperson for the government, I never lied.

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Speaker 1: And when I was wrong the present or the Vice President,

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Speaker 1: I meet Eric Steep it was a big deal. I

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Speaker 1: was not I was not happy about it. I would

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Speaker 1: lose my mind about it. So the lying is rampant,

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Speaker 1: it's NonStop, and I don't understand why no one in

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Speaker 1: the White House, pressed for has raised their hands and said,

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Speaker 1: could you tell us about the deals? But we'll just

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Speaker 1: we'll make it easy for you. Carolyn, what are what

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Speaker 1: are Trump's five biggest deals? What are they? And I'm

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Speaker 1: really confused why nobody will ask that question and just

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Speaker 2: Why I'm talking you're talking about what are his deals

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Speaker 2: with the other countries?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about when the White House Press Secretary

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Speaker 1: goes out today and says that his as you said,

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Speaker 1: caving is really the fault of the media that lied

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Speaker 1: to the American people because they don't understand the art

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Speaker 1: of the deal. And this is something that is routinely

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Speaker 1: now on Fox asserted right as fact, as in, for example,

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Speaker 1: if I was a preeminent neurosurgeon, right like, oh, doctor Steve,

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Speaker 1: you don't understand he's doing brain surgery here, right, And

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Speaker 1: my question is there are no deals? You're right, it's bullshit.

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Speaker 1: But but there's been nobody in the White House pressed

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Speaker 1: for timple question what are the deals? Because there's no answer.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of people frustrated by

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Speaker 1: the lack of questions on the things for which there

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Speaker 1: are no answers that answer a pretty big question. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: going out and I just you, and I'm just asking you.

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Speaker 1: You're obviously you would ask the question. Why is no

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Speaker 1: one asking that question? What are the deals?

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Speaker 2: It's an obvious question. It's a question we should be

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Speaker 2: shouting from the ramparts. Ramparts when when she pushes back

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Speaker 2: with a lie, we should push back again, harder, ask

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Speaker 2: the question four or five different ways. We should follow

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Speaker 2: up on each other. When I ask the question and

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Speaker 2: she dissembles, the person next to me should dissemble. You

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Speaker 2: know who sat next to me in the White House

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Speaker 3: Of that time? Another Detroiter.

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Speaker 2: Remember Helen Thomas, Yeah, grew up in the same neighborhood

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Speaker 2: I did, generation before me. Can you imagine what Helen

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Speaker 2: I mean there would she would be throwing chairs at people,

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Speaker 2: and maybe that's what's got to happen. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: press has got to be more than sitting there as

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Speaker 2: potted plants. We shouldn't be there preening for our producers

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Speaker 2: back in the studios or editors back in the newsrooms.

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Speaker 2: Our job is to be asking tough questions on behalf

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Speaker 3: Why don't they do it?

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons. One is unlike a generation ago,

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Speaker 2: at least it wasn't just scramport a generation ago. Most

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Speaker 2: of the media now is corporate owned. The c suites

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Speaker 2: do anything that might jeopardize their biggest, biggest interests. That's

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Speaker 2: one problem. Another is human nature is to not want conflict. Well,

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Speaker 2: if you don't like conflict, don't become a reporter. Another

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Speaker 2: is this misbegotten perception that Steve goes back to my

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Speaker 3: Thought think that.

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Speaker 2: The way to get scoops, which is the point of

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Speaker 2: the realm of the journalists, to get stories before anybody else.

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Speaker 2: And at the AP if I got a story five

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Speaker 2: The misperception among reporters is that you have to pull

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Speaker 2: I can understand the psychology. I had to know how you,

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Speaker 2: how you, what made you tix to you so I

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Speaker 2: didn't intend to. So that's Number one, build an authentic

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Speaker 2: I sold myself. I made sure you knew how many

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Speaker 3: Around the world every day, every goddamn day. Right, So.

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Speaker 2: Build a relationship. Make sure you understand my audience. Make

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Speaker 2: sure that you respect my sense of fairness that I

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Speaker 2: used to How many times did I tell you Steve,

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Speaker 2: I'll never stab you in the back, but I will

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Speaker 2: stab you in the chest. Yep, you're to know it's coming.

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Speaker 2: So sense of fairness, know my audience. And the last

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Speaker 1: I thank everybody. We are having a technical problem with

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Speaker 2: Ron I Ken, do I need to put my earphones in?

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe if you put your earphones in that will

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Speaker 1: that will help? Again. Let me welcome everybody this evening.

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Speaker 1: We are working through this connection issue. It's a big

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Speaker 1: the tariffs. The insanity has not stopped. Obviously, the incoherence

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Speaker 1: that with Ron Fortyer. We want to make sure that

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Speaker 1: technol technologically challenged Dan. So we are working through the

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Speaker 1: to say to everybody is thank you for joining again.

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Speaker 1: Ron can be found at Convulsions. I am in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow I will be speaking with Beto a'rourke to an

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Speaker 1: indivisible audience here in Tulsa. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the necessity of defeating Mark Wayne Mullen. Now, I am

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Speaker 1: an experienced campaign hand. I've been involved in campaigns all

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Speaker 1: over the world, all over the United States. I get it.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma is a Republican state. But trust me, the obliteration

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Speaker 1: all of it. People are going to vote these people out,

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Speaker 1: how all of this will end. This will end in

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Speaker 1: not an episode of a television series. No matter how

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Speaker 1: Today's a monumental day in the history of the country.

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Speaker 1: Well, part of this, right, part of this like that

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Speaker 2: I don't see anybody thinking that big, talking that big.

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Speaker 1: catastrophic and it's probably going that way. And but I

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Speaker 1: guess you're like, you'll lose your seat, but like Trump

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Speaker 1: will still like you, And I don't understand the psychology

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Speaker 1: of that. I'm looking at at some of the names

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Speaker 1: you're coming on. I will say this, if you're one

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Speaker 1: of the types of people like that, it's running for

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Speaker 1: president and you're it takes twenty people to prep you

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Speaker 1: for the Tapper interview to answer the obvious question, it's

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Speaker 1: all over right, and so, like Corey Booker, to me,

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Speaker 1: demonstrated a course skill. He got some help at the end,

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Speaker 1: but basically he spoke it stephoraneously for twenty five hours,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it was really good. He knows

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Speaker 1: what he believes. Bernie Sanders knows what he believes, and

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Speaker 1: so I think the conviction is a were any point?

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Speaker 2: I mean, where were the two of them? Yes, I

448
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: think Bernie has done some amazing things. Booker, it was

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Speaker 2: a great filibuster. But where were they three years ago

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Speaker 2: when it was clear to any average American that Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden was no longer up to be resident, much less

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Speaker 2: up to take on Donald Trump a second time. I

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Speaker 2: didn't hear either one of them saying we should have

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Speaker 2: an open primary.

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Speaker 1: So how would Bill Clinton at age forty six, given

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Speaker 1: all of the circumstances as they are. Give me your

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Speaker 1: best take on how Clinton would have approached the Biden piece?

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Speaker 1: Because to me, this is the lock that has to

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Speaker 1: be opened, because what we share in common is all

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Speaker 1: of these MAGA voters have been lied to and abused. YEP,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of Democratic voters were lied to and

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Speaker 1: abused and shouted down by their party who lost an

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Speaker 1: election on questions of honesty to the most prolific liar

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Speaker 1: in American history, honesty on the border, honesty on Biden's health,

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Speaker 1: honesty on the economy. That's the sin they lost. They abuse,

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Speaker 1: They shouted down the press. They use their power right

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Speaker 1: to demand more and more and more, and so to

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Speaker 1: me in this is a framework for forgiveness between the

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Speaker 1: American people because what we share in common is we're

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Speaker 1: abuse survivors.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: These people are supposed to work for us and they

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Speaker 1: have become our abusers. And because of the power of

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Speaker 1: the algorithm and the propaganda, if you dare say hey,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't run, you shout it down by a mob

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Speaker 1: that treats their politicians who work for them, like my

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Speaker 1: twelve year old daughter relates to Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you saw it first hand, my friend.

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Speaker 1: I did. I did. How do you think that?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's complicated. I don't think it's that complicated.

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Speaker 2: At a time when the American public is craving authenticity,

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Speaker 2: when they're used to being lied to, the best way

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Speaker 2: to be authentic is to be authentic is to speak

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Speaker 2: the damn truth. It would not be hard. It would

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Speaker 2: not have been hard two years ago. It would not

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Speaker 2: be hard now. It doesn't even have to be somebody

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Speaker 2: as brilliant as Bill Clinton was in his prime. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: have to be a Barack Obama or Ronald Reagan or

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Speaker 2: a Teddy Roosevelt, a Frank.

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Speaker 3: It just has to be.

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Speaker 2: Somebody who's honest, it has the skill sets to run

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Speaker 2: a decent campaign, who starts by saying, I want to

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Speaker 2: apologize on behalf of my party.

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Speaker 3: We misled you.

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Speaker 2: The elites in my party, the same folks who let

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Speaker 2: us get defeated twice by Donald Trump. We're not honest

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Speaker 2: about Joe Biden. He should run. He was not capable

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Speaker 2: of beating Donald Trump, and he really wasn't capable of

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Speaker 2: being president. He was a good man, but he should

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Speaker 2: not have been running for a second term. I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to lie to you. Look at the mileage Bill

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Speaker 2: Clinton got in nineteen ninety two by calling out a

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Speaker 2: rap singer for swearing, you know, the Sister Sodia moment.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is Sister Sojah on steroids. And it's

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Speaker 2: so easy to do because there's not an American who

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Speaker 2: isn't captive to lemming like behavior of you know, the

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Speaker 2: left in the right wing base, who doesn't know who

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Speaker 2: didn't know even before that debate that he wasn't up

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Speaker 2: to the challenge.

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Speaker 3: I feel like, here's the real problem.

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Speaker 2: What I don't know is is that maybe I'm being

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Speaker 2: a little too naive about the American public at a

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Speaker 2: time when we all can now walk around in intellectual

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Speaker 2: bubbles and only gather on substack and listen to somebody

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Speaker 2: we already agree with, you know, a time when we

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Speaker 2: don't have to bump into an opinion that confronts with

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Speaker 2: our biases.

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Speaker 3: Do the American people really want to know the truth?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: It used to be Steve we said, we have to

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Speaker 2: teach people internet literacy. We have to teach people how

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Speaker 2: to know the difference between fact and fiction online. I'm

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Speaker 2: wondering if we got to teach him to want to care.

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Speaker 2: And I do wonder if if being brutally honest in

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Speaker 2: politics will work. I hope it does, because if not,

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Speaker 2: our democracy's over. Somebody needs to try. And I do

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Speaker 2: wonder if what you and and and your candidate went

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Speaker 2: through is a symptom of a bigger problem. That's always

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Speaker 2: going to happen. When truth has spoken to the left

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Speaker 2: and truth has spoken to the right, that's bigger than

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Speaker 2: our leaders. That's a we the people problem if we're

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Speaker 2: not willing to face the truth.

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Speaker 1: I had. I had on my podcast today Chris Whipple,

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Speaker 1: who's written the book about about that, and a great

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Speaker 1: and a great reporter. But we're having the conversation and

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Speaker 1: he's like, well, you know the inner circle. No, but

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Speaker 1: all these other people didn't know when I said nonsense,

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Speaker 1: I said I and and I didn't. I was not

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Speaker 1: an employee of Dean Phillips. I didn't run the campaign

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Speaker 1: he was on my podcast. People can go back and

541
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Speaker 1: listen to it and you can listen to that conversation

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Speaker 1: the context today as opposed to them, and I think

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Speaker 1: it holds up really well. But what I said to him,

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Speaker 1: what I said to him was I will walk out

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Speaker 1: in front of you, and I will take the first bullet,

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Speaker 1: and I will do it because I will bring credibility

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Speaker 1: that I know how to win a primary in New

548
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Speaker 1: Hampshire and a campaign will form around you because we

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Speaker 1: cannot be afraid to run for office as Democrats. When

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Speaker 1: we're saying there's a threat to democracy can't be and so.

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Speaker 3: So how do you explain the defeat.

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Speaker 2: I know the media dumped on you, I know the

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Speaker 2: establishment dumped on you well, but there would have a

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Speaker 2: different decision. Why do they let themselves get led to

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Speaker 2: and why do they let themselves get called well, you know.

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Speaker 1: The herd mentality I think has been broken by the

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Speaker 1: Trump win any event. And I know that just by

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Speaker 1: the response to the audience on my platforms. And so

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Speaker 1: I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm watching all of the people

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Speaker 1: on making comments about the about their candidates and everything,

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Speaker 1: and I want to say something. Ron understands this. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there are any eighteen eighty three

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Speaker 1: fans on the line or nineteen twenty three fans, but

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Speaker 1: I tell people who are thinking of running for president

565
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Speaker 1: to watch eighteen eighty three. And it's a deep It

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Speaker 1: is Taylor Sharratan's best of the a eighteen eighty three

567
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Speaker 1: is incredible and it's really deep, and it's a story

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Speaker 1: about a journey, and that journey is the character test.

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Speaker 1: That's what a presidential campaign is. It is the world's

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Speaker 1: most elaborate character test, and that's what people who go

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Speaker 1: through it or going to discover it. And you've got

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Speaker 1: to see how they need the test. You just don't know, right,

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Speaker 1: can they control the people around them?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Presidential campaign's a cauldron of insanity.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I joked around said if I ever did another national campaign,

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Speaker 1: my first five hires would be psychiatrists, right, a team

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Speaker 1: of psychiatrists and and a joke writer. But but it's

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Speaker 1: a but, it's a but it's a brutal, brutal, brutal

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Speaker 1: undertaking and uh in an unforgiving one. And people I

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Speaker 1: think who want to do it this time are going

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Speaker 1: to have to. I think that Mayor Pete's biggest liability

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Speaker 1: is that he's planning. He's been planning. It's not that

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Speaker 1: he's gay. Some people will say it's the country ready

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Speaker 1: for a gay man. I think that. I think the

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Speaker 1: country would elect Pete boudhaj Edge to be president. I

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Speaker 1: think Pete boota Judge's biggest problem is that it's clear

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Speaker 1: to me that he has been plotting his presidential campaign

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Speaker 1: since age four and a half at the latest.

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Speaker 3: Well, but Bill Clinton had that same problem, hut.

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Speaker 1: I think Bill Clinton started plotting it at age two

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Speaker 1: and a half. Right, No one no one ever plotted

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Speaker 1: it earlier. I'm not sure that a campaign rigged around

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Speaker 1: the ambition and the qualification of a person is opposed

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Speaker 1: to a person who fits into a moment the top

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Speaker 1: of movement like that, to me is the is the

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Speaker 1: person he's going to go. When I look at the

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Speaker 1: Democratic candidates out there right when I when I wave

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Speaker 1: a one to me, there are two candidates that are

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Speaker 1: not on any list right that are right now as

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Speaker 1: front runners, but are both former congressmen who lost Senate races.

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Speaker 1: And I think they're the two best athletes in the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party for what I think it's Tim Ryan and

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Speaker 1: I think it's better a worker. I think that those

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Speaker 1: are the two best candidates by a performance perspective that

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Speaker 1: are rooted to the kind of the right vein of

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Speaker 1: politics the president.

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Speaker 3: Hum, are they ready to be president?

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Speaker 1: I think that both of them are injured, they're both

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Speaker 1: they're both very stoic. They've lost races. You know, people

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Speaker 1: are saying the governor of Illinois, I think that uh JB.

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Speaker 1: Prisker has claimed to be the best governor in the country.

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Speaker 1: Uh is JB. Pritzker right? He looks like a monopoly

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Speaker 1: character and he's a billionaire. Right, So is JB. Pritzker

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Speaker 1: going to be able to do what FDR did right

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Speaker 1: and become a trader to his class? Right? JB. Prisker

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Speaker 1: can be president if JB. Presker is able to say

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Speaker 1: what FDR did at the convention. I'm just like, which

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Speaker 1: is that all of these people have come at me

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Speaker 1: like no other person in the history of the country,

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Speaker 1: and I welcome their hatred. If JB. Prisker can do that.

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Speaker 3: JB.

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Speaker 1: Prisker's in I think the governor of Colorado is is there.

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Speaker 1: I thought whim Or had a terrible day to day.

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Speaker 1: I did not look like a major leaguer to me,

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Speaker 1: and she had a real shot to run four years ago.

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Speaker 1: I think four years ago, Well in twenty four, not

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Speaker 1: four years ago. It'll be four years ago. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I agree, you know she didn't run your window.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm looking at the names. I think one

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Speaker 1: of the things I want to ask you about this,

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Speaker 1: any California candidate and you live in Michigan, I think,

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Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong on this, and I will

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Speaker 1: not take a back steak to anybody. In my love

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Speaker 1: of California. I love the state. I've been there's no

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Speaker 1: town in California. I haven't been to lived in California

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Speaker 1: on six different occasions in my life run a run

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Speaker 1: camp never lost a race in California that I ran.

640
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Speaker 1: I love California. I don't think the American dream can

641
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Speaker 1: survive the collapse of the California dream, and the California

642
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Speaker 1: dream collapse and it took the American dream with it.

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Speaker 1: I have to rebuild the California dream to rebuild the

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Speaker 1: American dream. When we graduated college, everybody wanted to go

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Speaker 1: to California, right, I mean California dream to think right.

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Speaker 1: People go there to start over. And today, if you

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Speaker 1: ask Americans in forty nine states do you want to

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Speaker 1: live in a state like California, everyone was saying no, no,

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Speaker 1: in a part of the city. So any of the

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Speaker 1: candidates from California right automatically entering an enormous deficit having

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Speaker 1: to explain why people right want to elect somebody from

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Speaker 1: a state that no one wants to live in because

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Speaker 1: it's too expensive, the schools don't work, and the government

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Speaker 1: is failing. In fact, it's so incompetent. They burn down

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Speaker 1: the Pacific Pali stage in the manner that they did. Now.

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Speaker 1: For example, if Harris wanted to be president, right, if

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Speaker 1: she had honest people around her, they tell her you

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Speaker 1: might be president. I don't know, but your earliest shot

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Speaker 1: to do it's twenty thirty two. Excuse me, yeah, twenty

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Speaker 1: thirty two, No, or twenty thirty six, right after you've

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Speaker 1: been a great, great, great governor. I love this. I

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Speaker 1: see somebody saying, oh, lord, Steve one hundred mile an

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Speaker 1: hour winds for Fox Stakes. That's a perfect example of

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Speaker 1: what I was talking about her. Yeah, if you'll defend

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Speaker 1: Karen Bass's conduct. Right after promising, hey, I'll never leave

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Speaker 1: the state, the fire alerts go out and she's been gone.

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Speaker 1: There's just there's no work.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to eradicate MAGA by mimicking their blindness

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Speaker 2: to the truth. Yes, until we can start telling you

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Speaker 2: truth to ourselves, we're not gonna. We're not gonna put

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Speaker 2: them out of politics.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that's the threshold? To me, it

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Speaker 1: is you cannot have two dishonest parties and defeat MAGA.

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Speaker 1: If you if it's two dish honest parties against Mega,

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Speaker 1: MAGA is like the fucking Yankees.

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Speaker 2: The point earlier, when my my headphones are messing up.

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Speaker 2: Is we don't really don't have two parties. We have

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Speaker 2: one duopoly and they're both lying to us to different degrees.

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Speaker 2: I think one party is much worse than the other,

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Speaker 2: but they both aren't getting the job done. And and uh,

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Speaker 2: we need a movement.

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Speaker 1: We need a leader.

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Speaker 2: We need a new party or a better democratic party

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Speaker 2: that can yes, start with the truth and and help

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Speaker 2: people navigate the harshoals of change that we're going through

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Speaker 2: economic change, technological change, demographic change, with honesty and with competence,

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Speaker 2: not with gas lighting in lives. And both both both

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Speaker 2: parties are guilty of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm reading a I was reading a speech and I

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Speaker 1: wrote about it last week, and there's this kind of

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Speaker 1: this human senate sensibility sentiment, you know, they came through

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Speaker 1: in the speech. And the speech was by President Parting

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Speaker 1: dedicating the Lincoln Memorial and he says in the speech,

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Speaker 1: because I wish Lincoln could be here, Right, you have

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Speaker 1: that right, I mean, whether whether it's your whether it's

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Speaker 1: your parents, it's a grandparent. Right, you know you would

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Speaker 1: you would love, right, you know, someone that you care

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Speaker 1: about to be able to see. I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: do you imagine right if you if you could, if

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Speaker 1: the founders of the country were gathered right, you could

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Speaker 1: tell you had an hour with them, right, like where

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Speaker 1: to start, right? I think I would. I would show

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Speaker 1: them Barack Obama's portrait the forty fourth president, to George

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Speaker 1: Washington and how all that worked out. But I would say,

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Speaker 1: look up at the moon, gentlemen. Our flag is on

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Speaker 1: it and it's got fifty stars. The greatest republic in

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Speaker 1: the history of the world is what you conceived, and

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Speaker 1: it has survived for two hundred and fifty years to

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Speaker 1: this moment. And you think about this kind of sentiment

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Speaker 1: that you want to be able to know. And the

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Speaker 1: reality is the Lincoln of course a martyr. Medgar ever

712
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Speaker 1: is a martyr. Martin Luther King a martyr. But none

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Speaker 1: of the US will or are supposed to see the

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Speaker 1: finished America. It endures beyond our lifetime. It is beyond

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Speaker 1: and bigger than anything that's really comprehensible.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 1: The country and its endurance beyond any one person's lifetime

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Speaker 1: or so much more important than any one person. And

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Speaker 1: we're in this moment and I at fifty four, and

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Speaker 1: I hope that I'll have a long life, But more

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Speaker 1: than anything, when the time comes, whether it's suddenly or

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Speaker 1: a long period of preparation, I want to know my

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Speaker 1: country as I leave it is in good hands.

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Speaker 3: Amen.

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Speaker 2: What I would say to them, Steve is mister President,

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Speaker 2: mister Vice President, mister Jefferson, mister Franklin. You built us

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Speaker 2: a republic, as you said, if we can keep it, gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: we're having a hard time keeping it. And you built

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Speaker 2: it at a time of enormous social change, economic change,

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Speaker 2: demographic change, technological change. What you did is you destroyed

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Speaker 2: the old sesst and you started a new. Gentlemen, we

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Speaker 2: need to destroy the current system and start a new.

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Speaker 2: We need a new revival, not a negative one that's

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Speaker 2: based on fear and grievance and hate. We need a

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Speaker 2: populist movement like you built, gentlemen, one that's based on

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Speaker 2: hope and idealism and aspiration and that appeals to what

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Speaker 2: a second founder someday, gentlemen will say, are better angels.

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Speaker 2: Can you help us build that? I know what they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say is, okay, let's start with the Republican Democratic

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Speaker 2: Party as you have it now, and let's see if

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Speaker 2: we can The Democrats can win the next election by

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Speaker 2: forty vote, by forty House seats, and let's see if

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Speaker 2: they can win the presidency with three hundred and ten

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Speaker 2: elector of votes. And let's continue the system where we

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Speaker 2: have dark money, and where we have closed primaries, and

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Speaker 2: where we have a rigged redistricting, and where we have

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Speaker 2: They're certainly not going to say, let's have a system

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Speaker 2: where only two parties have a have a fair chance

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Speaker 2: at winning. They would, they would, they would shape the

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Speaker 2: system to its core, and they would help us build

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Speaker 2: something that's that's relevant and and uh efficient and speaking

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Speaker 2: to the aspirations of the American people in the twenty

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Speaker 2: first century, not the one we have now, which is

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Speaker 2: you know, rooted in the in the seventh in the

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Speaker 2: nineteenth century. That's what I would tell them. We need

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Speaker 2: your help in building a new republic that we can keep.

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Speaker 1: I just thought one of the commenters suggests the American

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Speaker 1: Revival Party. That's a great that's a great name.

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Speaker 3: We need a baby something.

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Speaker 2: I feel it from you out inside a Democratic party

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Speaker 2: or outside.

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Speaker 3: We need a revival.

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Speaker 1: I think that more than anything else right right now,

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Speaker 1: people need to hear recitations and assertions of our values.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, we need a new American.

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Speaker 1: Stay about freedom. And one of the things that I

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Speaker 1: hope that democratic governors will do in democratic states is

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Speaker 1: to extend invitations to European leaders to come to their

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Speaker 1: state legislatures into two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the

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Speaker 1: founding of the United States. Interesting, this is incredibly important

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Speaker 1: for President Macombe. La Fayette's tour of the United States

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Speaker 1: came two hundred years ago at a time when the

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Speaker 1: country was on the edge. Trump's hero Andrew Jackson was

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Speaker 1: suspect of whether he would concede the election to John

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Speaker 1: Quincy Adams, and he did it in front of Lafayette

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Speaker 1: in New York. And so I think that the American

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Speaker 1: gospel of liberty, which has spread all over the world

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Speaker 1: right when the American Revolution was won. Lafayette said, liberty

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Speaker 1: has its country, humanity has its victory. And he predicted

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Speaker 1: that it would save this new country, this new world

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Speaker 1: would come to the rescue of the old world in time.

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Speaker 1: And it did. And so when you see the Spanish

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Speaker 1: Prime minister of a left of center party, or you

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Speaker 1: see the German chancellor of a right of center party,

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Speaker 1: but deeply connected in a shared some of values that

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Speaker 1: were propagated by this country. We now have to have

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Speaker 1: the humility, I think, to be able to hear our

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Speaker 1: American message delivered back to us our friends in a

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Speaker 1: time of crisis. And Rebecca Bee says, are we too late? No,

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Speaker 1: we're not too late, just starting. We're just we're getting late.

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Speaker 1: But it's not too late. Winston Churchill believed in nineteen

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Speaker 1: forty it was too late. In his quiet moments, he

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Speaker 1: believed it was too late. And for good reason. We're

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Speaker 1: a long long ways away from by the way Churchill.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a line between there's a true line

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Speaker 2: between the reasons he was worried we were too late

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Speaker 2: and what we're going through now, the American First Movement

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Speaker 2: that almost made us too late back.

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Speaker 1: Then, absolutely and FDR sent Harry Hopkins, his close advisor,

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Speaker 1: who lived in the White House with him upstairs on

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Speaker 1: the second floor. And one of the great stories for

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Speaker 1: everybody if you read, is the menagerie that was the

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Speaker 1: FDR White House when Kirt Hill was in residence and

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Speaker 1: Harry Hopkins was and Eleanor Roosevelt's living on one side

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Speaker 1: of the resident.

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Speaker 4: And naked half the time Kurtchill's running around. Churchill's running around,

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Speaker 4: But FDR.

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Speaker 1: Sent Hopkins the London to say are they going to

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Speaker 1: stay in because FDR right, he said, we don't want

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Speaker 1: to give a lot of weapons that are going to

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Speaker 1: fall into the German hands. The French surrender, and the

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Speaker 1: French have the largest navy in the world and it's

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Speaker 1: fallen now into German hands. And the French government says,

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Speaker 1: we won't give the ships to the Germans, and the

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Speaker 1: piece deal will just stay mothballed while the peace Harry

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Speaker 1: Hopkins was there, and what Churchill did was made a

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Speaker 1: decision to think. The French fleet killed thousands of French

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Speaker 1: soldiers in twenty minutes at Anchor. They call it to

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Speaker 1: this day French Pearl Harbor. It's been written out of

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Speaker 1: World War Two. He did it for an audience of one.

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Speaker 1: And what he was trying to convey to FDR is

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Speaker 1: we'll do anything to win. And so the way that

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Speaker 1: manifests itself is Chuck Schumer conveyed to Trump, he'll do

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Speaker 1: nothing to stop Trump, and so Trump goes further. And

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Speaker 1: so this is an important moment in checking Trump, because

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Speaker 1: Trump blinked, but he didn't blink because of the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: He blinked because of the outrage of the American people

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Speaker 1: in the first pushback in this weekend and the arrogancies

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Speaker 1: right that we're that, we're seeing that we're seeing come out,

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Speaker 1: and uh so, so everybody, I want, I want everyone.

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Speaker 1: I understand. Right, we're gonna fight. We're gonna fight, right.

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Speaker 1: Ron and I are right in New Tursey, been in fights.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna fight, right. Elon Musk is getting punched hard.

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk is giving blows, and Elon Musk just taking

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Speaker 1: blows from us. Elon must companies being shattered, and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna lose his companies before this is all said and time.

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Speaker 1: He's fifty four, he's got a long road ahead. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of misery. Elon Musk trying to

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Speaker 1: play a video game. You gotta you've got to peek

840
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Speaker 1: into his loneliness. You've got to peek into Elon Musk's empire. Hey,

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Speaker 1: he's on a video game, on his private jet, being abused,

842
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Speaker 1: no friends, no human connection. We're winning, my friends, but

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Speaker 1: we're in a fight, and great damage is being done. Right,

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Speaker 1: But don't think that the American people, right now aren't

845
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Speaker 1: inflicting punishment back. We are, right, and we're just getting started.

846
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Speaker 1: The disadvantage if you're on the democracy side facing an

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Speaker 1: aggression against your democracy, by definition, the aggressor always has

848
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Speaker 1: first move or advantage. Right, all of us, as a

849
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Speaker 1: general proposition, aren't sitting at home thinking about how to

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Speaker 1: screw everyone in the country, take their stuff and wreck

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Speaker 1: the country. You want to take our kids the swimming practice,

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Speaker 1: that's hit to do so now because of the aggression

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Speaker 1: way life works now, we all have more to do, right,

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Speaker 1: and so whatever free time and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: work three jobs in this country, so they don't have

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Speaker 1: any right. But it's gonna have to involve civics the

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Speaker 1: era of like, well, listen, you know that's great. You

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Speaker 1: know I volunteer on this thing here, and these guys

859
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Speaker 1: are on the school board over here. That's all over

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Speaker 1: in America. Right, every person's got to be involved in

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Speaker 1: their community. Right, There's got to be millions of more

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Speaker 1: people registered. And I'll have some stuff that I'll talk

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Speaker 1: to all of you about in the coming weeks as

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Speaker 1: we're putting together some organizations. Ron knows about some of

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Speaker 1: this stuff. But we're gonna fight. We're gonna win the fight,

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Speaker 1: but there's gonna be a lot of damage done during

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Speaker 1: the fight. And then we're gonna fix the damage and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make it better, and we're gonna move on

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Speaker 1: and hopefully this will never happen again. But we should

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Speaker 1: not gaslight each other about what caused this disaster. And

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Speaker 1: what caused this disaster was the meeting of Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: insanity and malice with a capitulence and character crisis of

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party, and then the abject dishonesty of Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden in his top ten eighths and everybody who

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Speaker 1: got in line around it, and every poor porter who

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Speaker 1: got in line around it because they didn't want to

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Speaker 1: give offense. This is what we got perfect. So with that,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank everybody for coming on for the hour,

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Speaker 1: for the conversation, and I just want to give you

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Speaker 1: the last word, Ron to say good night to everyone.

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Speaker 1: We got a couple thousand people on tonight, and again

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Speaker 1: you find Ron at convulsions. I just urge everybody, right

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Speaker 1: two thousand, spread it to your friends. People have to

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Speaker 1: be better informed, and I'll just be rarely blunt if

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Speaker 1: you're not reading RON forty eight. You're not as informed

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Speaker 1: as you could be. There one of the pre eminent

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Speaker 1: journalists of the last fifty years in the United States,

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Speaker 1: an American patriot, so I'm gonna leave it to him

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Speaker 1: to close the words. Convulsions is where you find Round

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Speaker 1: forty eight. It's the best of the best. Ron over

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Apologies for the technical difficulties. Keep the faith. Everybody, follow Steve.

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