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Speaker 1: Welcome back from the holiday weekend. Everybody. Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 1: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: A lot of news first day back, so there's always

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Speaker 1: many things to discuss. We have the Trump trial resuming

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Speaker 1: once again, so we will talk about what the latest

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Speaker 1: is with that. We also have oh my, I see

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Speaker 1: here Pete Buddha Judge making a fool of himself on

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Speaker 1: the Sunday Shows. Democrats in full blown freak out. That

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Speaker 1: was the headline over Politico over Biden, So we'll get

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Speaker 1: into what that means. Trump at the Libertarian presidential convention.

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Speaker 1: I think we might be antagonizing some libertarians today depending

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Speaker 1: with our discussion of how all that went. It was

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Speaker 1: not a good look for the Libertarian Party. While I

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Speaker 1: like some of the ideal or ideas of libertarianism, I

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Speaker 1: gotta say the party did not pull it together with

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Speaker 1: Trump weekend. They even boot him at one point. Trump

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Speaker 1: turned it around on them. We'll discuss because I know

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Speaker 1: with such a narrow election, there cannot be anything taken

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Speaker 1: for granted, and whether Donald Trump is going to get

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Speaker 1: a majority of the Libertarian votes or not could be

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Speaker 1: a significant a significant difference maker in some of the

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Speaker 1: key states will break all of that down for you.

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Speaker 1: Also over the weekend, you shall Biden with tweets about

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Speaker 1: or posts on x about George Floyd that I would

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Speaker 1: like to speak about. They really have elevated George Floyd

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Speaker 1: to a hero and a martyr for the Democrat BLM

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Speaker 1: Marxist racial Marxist movement. It is really stunning. As you

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Speaker 1: see this playoff, we will make some sense of that.

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Speaker 1: But first up, we have the closing arguments underway at

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Speaker 1: the Trump trial in New York City. So you know,

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Speaker 1: we've been discussing this trial well in theory four months

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Speaker 1: and been covering it for weeks, and now we'll be

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Speaker 1: having a discussion about what the final verdict is in

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Speaker 1: just a matter of days. I think it's likely this

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Speaker 1: is going to come down with a verdict for us.

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Speaker 1: Here very quickly, we had Joe Biden and his political operation,

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Speaker 1: This is from Politico have largely ignored Donald Trump's trial

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Speaker 1: for months. With just days to go before a verdict

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Speaker 1: is released, It's dispatched Robert de Niro and other campaign

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Speaker 1: surrogates to the New York City courtroom to draw attention

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Speaker 1: to the threat. They say Trump posted to the country. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Robert de Niro, who is not a smart man.

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Speaker 1: I know he's been in some movies that we've all

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Speaker 1: seen many times, and some of you probably think he's

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Speaker 1: a very fine actor, and I think he plays more

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Speaker 1: or less the same role in almost every movie. But

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Speaker 1: put that aside, he's been in some very good movies.

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Speaker 1: I can't quibble with that, but I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say that cognitively he's a moron. He's out there

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Speaker 1: making the case for how Trump is a unique threat

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Speaker 1: to democracy. We'll get into that in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: You know, why are actors being deployed by the Biden campaign,

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Speaker 1: Biden Harris campaign to make a case about Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: that in and of itself should make you feel very uneasy.

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Speaker 1: So they're they're seeing the trial as an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: hit Trump even more. The trial is all politics, and

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Speaker 1: now they want further politics outside of it to attack him.

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Speaker 1: But let's jump into this. This is what Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: was saying this morning before the trial began, and he

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Speaker 1: is making the case quite clearly. This is just because

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden needs the help, so they have to fight dirty.

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Speaker 1: This is all political play. One. Well, I didn't hear it. Team,

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Speaker 1: I also don't think I can hear you. Have I

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Speaker 1: lost you? Somehow? Have I lost you? I'm still on

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Speaker 1: the radio, that's the good news. Somehow there's no playing

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Speaker 1: of clips going on.

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Speaker 1: That's always a fun moment in live radio. I tee

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Speaker 1: it up. We want to hear from Trump, and the

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Speaker 1: machines in New York City all froze. So I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: for the delay there. I know we had a moment.

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Speaker 1: We're all ready for launch, and then there was no launch.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back into what Trump says. I can tell

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Speaker 1: you the basics of what Trump says, because I think

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Speaker 1: it's really straightforward. He says, this is all about crooked

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of our country.

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Speaker 1: He's destroying our country. That the trial in New York

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Speaker 1: people who can't define what a woman is but think

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Speaker 1: it's really complicated. What is a woman?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: No, you sound like you sound like an idiot when

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Speaker 1: you do that, And anybody who says the New York

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Speaker 1: City trial is a serious exercise in criminal justice, fair

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Speaker 1: It is impossible to be telling everybody that what's going

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Speaker 1: you are completely either an imbecile or a total hack.

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Speaker 1: Because this case in the election, remember held I would

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Speaker 1: of it. They brought this specifically so that it could

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Speaker 1: hurt Donald Trump in the election. You're not supposed to

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Speaker 1: play those kinds of games as a prosecutor. But Alvin

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Speaker 1: And what's particularly troubling is that no matter how much

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Speaker 1: hero to the Democrats just for bringing this prosecution unless,

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Speaker 1: and this is possible, after the verdict. Whatever the verdict is,

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Speaker 1: you see a further bounce in the polls for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that is distinctly possible. I have

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Speaker 1: said before it is my belief that there will be

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Speaker 1: a guilty verdict here. That is a prediction that I

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Speaker 1: hope is incorrect. But I also, oh fantastic. Let's hear

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Speaker 1: from mister Trump this morning before the trial. The machines

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Speaker 1: have gotten the cobwebs gone play it.

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Speaker 3: Make no mistake about it right here because of Crooked

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of our

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Speaker 3: country is destroying our country.

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Speaker 4: This country is being destroyed.

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Speaker 3: Rapidly, not slowly, rapidly on the borders, on energy, on inflation,

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Speaker 3: on everything you can name, Afghanistan, removal, everything about what

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Speaker 3: he's done.

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Speaker 4: He's destroying our country. And he's also destroying it with weaponization.

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Speaker 4: And this is purely his weaponization. See who's in the courtorate,

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Speaker 4: you go, just see who's in the court room. You'll

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Speaker 4: see and you'll see where they come from. And you

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Speaker 4: reported accurately. A lot of people are going to be

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Speaker 4: very upset.

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Speaker 1: Clay, what do you think.

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Speaker 2: I think that this is a really dangerous time for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: There's a big piece in Politico this morning where everybody

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Speaker 2: Inside of the Democrat Party, there is right now, as

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Speaker 2: you break all this down, I think around a fifty

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Speaker 2: to fifty chance that they don't get a conviction. Remember,

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Speaker 2: next week, Hunter Biden's trial starts, and there is a

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Speaker 2: very strong likelihood that he's going to be convicted. So

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Speaker 2: all of the law, fair, all of the work, everything

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Speaker 2: that Politico piece, twenty five million dollars has been spent

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Speaker 2: in all the battleground states, Joe Biden's number hasn't moved

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Speaker 2: at all. Trump is now out raising him in the

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Speaker 2: most recent month. And on top of all that, Trump's

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Speaker 2: numbers have gone up since this trial started. So it

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Speaker 2: seems to me that the grand design of we're going

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Speaker 2: to keep Trump in the courtroom, we're going to brand

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Speaker 2: him a felon that will make him unelectable, is collapsing

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Speaker 2: around Democrats. And that's even if they get a conviction,

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Speaker 2: If they don't get a conviction, if there's a mistrial,

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Speaker 2: if there's a hung jury, because I think it's going

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Speaker 2: awry that they thought would go well, and Trump has

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Speaker 1: I mean, just imagine for a second, I know what

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Speaker 1: they will do because they have no choice. But if

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Speaker 1: still think that's the likeliest.

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's fifty to fifty at

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Speaker 2: this point that there is going to be a hung

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Speaker 2: there not only would be a hung jury, I think

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a chance of the not guilty verdict.

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Speaker 2: and said there was going to be a not guilty

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Speaker 1: There are other trials, and you know, this doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: even if you get a conviction, a conviction for what. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the question that everybody ends up asking themselves. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is being theoretically, in this scenario, convicted for

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Speaker 1: writing up something that he paid that was internal that

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Speaker 1: that they would definitely prosecute him for So how exactly

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people don't. But if you can't

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Speaker 1: or less. How bad can it really be?

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Speaker 1: Or if you can't understand it, even forget ten words

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Speaker 2: And remember it all deals with the twenty sixteen case.

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Speaker 2: just I think they have totally missed everything when it

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Speaker 2: he's managed to potentially put New York in play. Biden's

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Speaker 2: don't imagine anywhere inside of the Democrat playbook. They thought, Hey,

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Speaker 2: We're going to be spending money to try to solidify

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Speaker 2: And not only for that. There's basically two parts of

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Speaker 1: What he is saying there at the end, that's obviously

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Speaker 1: When someone says this is about more than me, they

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Speaker 2: And again, I think it's so important to strip away

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Speaker 1: would prosecute Jean Edwards, right, they absolutely would prosecute him

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Speaker 1: for this.

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Speaker 2: So there's no way that that's what you're getting at,

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Speaker 2: which is important, There's no way that under this version

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Speaker 2: of the law, Trump could have been able to legally

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Speaker 2: pay these funds for a non disclosure agreement. Remember they

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Speaker 2: keep calling this a hush money tribal. We tried to

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Speaker 2: avoid using that terminology here because that's not a crime.

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Speaker 2: Paying hush money.

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Speaker 1: Is not a crime. It's a business For a long time,

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Speaker 1: this is a business records trial, which I've been saying

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Speaker 1: all along. We even talked to one of Trump's attorneys.

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Speaker 1: I said, isn't this a business record The answer is yes.

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Speaker 1: I'd also know with John Edwards because I think there's

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Speaker 1: a tendency for people to say, oh, well, they prosecuted

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Speaker 1: they tried to prosecute John Edwards for having a campaign

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Speaker 1: like you know, funder basically pay this woman and take

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Speaker 1: care of her, and that they were unsuccessful in the prosecution.

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Speaker 1: But remember John Edwards was done at that point. He

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Speaker 1: was humiliated, and he had humiliated the Democrat Party as well.

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Speaker 1: He was no longer politically useful, so he was fair

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Speaker 1: game for any headhunting prosecutor that wanted to make a

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Speaker 1: name for himself. By the way, who was the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: who brought that charge or brought that case. You start

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Speaker 1: to look into this and you see there are some

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Speaker 1: people for whom public corruption cases are an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: make their own name. And it's really not about what's

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Speaker 1: what's fair and what's right. I think in this instance,

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Speaker 1: Trump was damned if he did damned if he didn't.

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Speaker 1: And that's that is, on its face, an unfair position

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Speaker 1: to put someone in. Legally, you can't say I'd prosecute

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Speaker 1: you if you did A, and I'd prosecute you, prosecute

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Speaker 1: you if you did B and those are your only choices, right,

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Speaker 1: You can't put someone in that situation, and that is

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Speaker 1: what they have done to Donald Trump. You want to

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Speaker 1: just get into the de Niro thing here for a second.

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Speaker 1: You saw they deployed de Niro. I can't believe this

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Speaker 1: is real. They Biden campaigns like, yeah, let's go have

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Speaker 1: Robert de Niro make our case for us. Uh, this

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Speaker 1: is him play three.

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Speaker 6: The Twin Towers fell just over here, just over there.

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Speaker 6: This part of the city was like a ghost town.

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Speaker 6: But we vowed we would not allowed terrorists to change

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Speaker 6: our way of life, and we started with the Tribeca

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Speaker 6: Festival to bring people back.

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Speaker 5: I love this city. I love this city. I don't

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Speaker 5: want to destroy it. Donald Trump wants to destroy not

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Speaker 5: only the city but the country and eventually he could

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Speaker 5: destroy the world.

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Speaker 6: But we vowed we not allowed terrorists.

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Speaker 1: They're yelling fjb for in case anyone doesn't couldn't hear

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Speaker 1: with what have gone on that we had to bleep

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Speaker 1: that out obviously, yeah, bleep Joe Biden. But Clay, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump wants to destroy New York City and the country

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Speaker 1: and the world. I mean people, people who say this

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Speaker 1: discredit themselves just with that one with that one sentence,

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Speaker 1: or with that one paragraph of idiocy.

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Speaker 2: I just cannot imagine that you would think, Hey, the

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Speaker 2: guy that we need to bring this all home for

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Speaker 2: us as the trial is completed is Robert de Niro.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just such a weird thing to do.

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Speaker 2: De Niro has totally lost his mind over Trump. But

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Speaker 2: even if you were breaking this down, does anybody out

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Speaker 2: there really trust I mean, Robert DeNiro made a career

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Speaker 2: playing gangsters in movies. I mean, it's not like this

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Speaker 2: is Tom Hanks, right, I mean, somebody who was really

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Speaker 2: beloved for the characters that he played. I also think

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Speaker 2: most people realized actors weighing in on politics is really

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Speaker 2: just annoying and kind of sad.

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Speaker 1: Because they're mostly idiots who haven't had to deal in

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Speaker 1: the real world in any meaningful way, and they've really

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Speaker 1: just won the lottery.

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Speaker 2: Well that was the general perspective when the whole era

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Speaker 2: that we grew up. Everybody, whether you're a Democrat, Republican,

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Speaker 2: or independent, would roll your eyes when somebody won an

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Speaker 2: oscar and they got up and they tried to lecture

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Speaker 2: the American public. And then in a social media age,

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Speaker 2: suddenly these people started being taken way more seriously. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it's I think it's the reverse celebrity culture. I think

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Speaker 2: it's the reverse. I think that they were far more

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Speaker 2: revered for their ideas and politics because we were limited

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Speaker 2: in our exposure to them. Now we see these morons

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Speaker 2: on Twitter and Facebook and whatever, unscripted, unfiltered, and we're like,

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Speaker 2: this person knows nothing. I mean, you know, this is

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Speaker 2: like Leonardo DiCaprio flying around in a private jets to

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Speaker 2: his climate change conferences and then tweeting about the threat

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Speaker 2: of climate change. Like, we see who these people are

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Speaker 2: now in a way that before you might have bought

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Speaker 2: into the mystique a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So I just I see it differently. I think that

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Speaker 1: now we got there. I think actors have never been

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Speaker 1: more more undermined in the public mind by their own stupidity.

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Speaker 1: I think that they're at the absolute peak of it now.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I think that social media has made this whole idea

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Speaker 2: that everybody needs to use their platform and that we

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Speaker 2: should be I've seen it with athletics to such a

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Speaker 2: degree where it used to be everybody rolled their eyes,

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Speaker 2: and then suddenly people are like, you know, Lebron James

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Speaker 2: really does have really important things to say about the world.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the argument that people make. You're like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure Lebron James has read a book in

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Speaker 2: his life. There are a lot of idiot actors. I

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Speaker 2: remember back in the eighties and nineties, everybody would kind

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Speaker 2: of roll their eyes and then it's like social media

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Speaker 2: suddenly tried to convince these people that everybody desperately was

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Speaker 2: concerned about what they say. But I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: remember this, like Robertson, like, who why is there a

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Speaker 2: press conference for Robert de Niro outside of the outside

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Speaker 2: of the tribe. That's crazy, right, I mean, the.

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Speaker 1: Idea that this would occur. I think they realized that

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Speaker 1: Trump has been able to use what's going on to

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Speaker 1: some degree to his advantage, which is to sadly.

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Speaker 2: But Robert de Niro is your is your is your

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Speaker 2: is your counterweight?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Some people still think there's something that

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Speaker 1: you need to hear from roberts and rom My understanding is,

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Speaker 1: by the way, if he doesn't have a script, he's

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Speaker 1: one of these people that has nothing to say.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, well, I mean, he's eighty almost,

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Speaker 2: he's on like his eighth wife or whatever the heck

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Speaker 2: it is. I think he just had a nasty divorce.

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Speaker 2: I think, doesn't he have a baby? Doesn't he have

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Speaker 2: like a one year old?

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Speaker 1: Probably?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're over seventy and you have a baby,

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Speaker 2: I think in many ways you probably should have your

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Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna have eight kids after I'm seventy now,

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Speaker 2: and somebody's gonna clip this. But if you're over seventy

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Speaker 2: and you have a baby, I think your general decision

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Speaker 2: making should be questioned, right in general, And you think.

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Speaker 2: I think people have never thought that celebrities were dumber

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Speaker 2: than they are now. I think our knowledge of celebrity

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Speaker 2: stupidity is higher now than it has ever been. I'm

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Speaker 2: concerned that we give way more credence to celebrity opinions

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Speaker 2: than we ever have. We have the exact opposite.

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Speaker 1: Take on this interesting Yeah, I don't know. I mean

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Speaker 1: I see these people now and I'm like everyone because

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Speaker 1: they always I'm impressed by him. I'm just saying I

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Speaker 1: think that they have more of an influence now with

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Speaker 1: the rise of social media than they ever did back

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Speaker 1: in the day. See, I think they just have influence

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Speaker 1: on social media among their followers. And I think that

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Speaker 1: most people who pay attention to politics in any meaningful way,

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Speaker 1: realize that these these celebrities are ignoramuses and it's not

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Speaker 1: you know, they don't have the same like, oh, let's

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Speaker 1: trot them. They'll raise money with them. I mean they'll

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Speaker 1: they'll use them in certain ways, but the notion that

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Speaker 1: you're going to have, I don't know. Maybe I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: it differently as somebody who was in New York all

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Speaker 1: those years, but I think people realize that these celebrities

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Speaker 1: are because remember it's happened with journalists for sure. By

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Speaker 1: the way, you know, you see Peoples is somebody who

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Speaker 1: can he can make you think that he's a knowledgeable

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Speaker 1: guy based on the columns he rights. You hear him speaking,

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Speaker 1: and you see the way, and the same thing with

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Speaker 1: Paul Krugman. These people are not very bright. Actually they're

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Speaker 1: not wise, they're not knowledgeable, but they can cut away

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Speaker 1: with pretending. And because of Twitter and because of the

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Speaker 1: more exposure you see, you know that they're not impressive.

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Speaker 1: I think that that stretches to celebrities too, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't think anyone Clay reads

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Speaker 1: Lebron James's tweets and goes this guy has important things

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Speaker 1: to say about the world. Nobody who knows anything about

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 2: At least the media does. But we do agree the

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Speaker 2: It's just really kind of exposed them. Robert de Niro

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you are eighty years old and you

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Speaker 2: your brain doesn't work. I mean, best case scenario, you

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Speaker 2: die at what when your kid's ten twelve years old?

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Speaker 2: I mean, are you expecting to live to be one

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Speaker 2: Politic they really went after Biden. There seems to be

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Speaker 2: how the Biden campaign is going. We'll break all that

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Speaker 2: Alex Berenson going to join us in the third hour

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Speaker 2: here on clay Box,