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Speaker 3: Back to Manchester here, where we've been on the ground

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Speaker 3: for several days. It's actually time to vote. What a

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Speaker 3: great feeling after talking about polling for weeks and months,

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Speaker 3: all the speculation and the prognosticating will not matter by

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Speaker 3: the end of this day. The polls close beginning at seven.

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Speaker 3: They do it a little bit differently in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: The final polls will close at eight, and we expect

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Speaker 3: a pretty early call from everyone we're talking to. Here.

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Speaker 3: We have the latest on the ground polling in this

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Speaker 3: rolling pole by Suffolk University that they've been working with

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Speaker 3: the Boston Globe in USA. Today, it's not looking good

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Speaker 3: for Nicki Haley. Remember this is the poll that had

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Speaker 3: them in what within ten points a week ago, and

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump just hit sixty percent for the first time

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Speaker 3: in this poll, Nikki Haley at thirty eight percent. We've

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Speaker 3: got twenty two delegates on the line and look New Hampshires,

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Speaker 3: known for surprises. That's partly why we are here. And

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Speaker 3: this is also where we begin our conversation with Bloomberg's

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Speaker 3: Lauren Tazinski, who used to do this for a living.

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Speaker 3: It's great to see in Manchester, just like the old

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Speaker 3: days and the times that you spent covering the State

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Speaker 3: House in Massachusetts. You covered Charlie Brown, you covered a

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Speaker 3: guy named Scott Brown, who we talked to here last night.

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Speaker 3: I just wonder, Lauren, your thoughts on where the Republican

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Speaker 3: Party is and where it's turning here in New England.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking so much about independence. Who are going

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Speaker 3: compared to a Republican party that elected Charlie Baker.

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Speaker 4: That's a really good question. I think when we talk

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Speaker 4: about New England conservative voters, we often think of the

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Speaker 4: flinty Republican from New Hampshire. Sure, And you know it's

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Speaker 4: really I think what it comes to to tonight is

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Speaker 4: He won New Hampshire in twenty sixteen, in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: is he going to do it again tonight? And I

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Speaker 4: think if you look at Charlie Baker, the nation's most

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Speaker 4: popular governor at the time, who was a Republican. Despite that,

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Speaker 4: didn't seek a third term in office. There's a number

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Speaker 4: of reasons why he didn't run for reelection in Massachusetts,

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Speaker 4: but it's also because he couldn't win a Republican primary

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Speaker 4: in his own state. And I think those demographics kind

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Speaker 3: How they share a lot of folks, right conservatives who

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Speaker 3: more favorable taxes or whatever policy it is that turned

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Speaker 3: are a lot of folks who are considered Massachusetts natives

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Speaker 3: you put that all together? Is this the same New

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think if anything, this is even more

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Speaker 4: so the New Hampshire that elected Donald Trump in twenty.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's trumpier, is what you mean?

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Speaker 4: And I think it's also it lends itself to the

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Speaker 4: Trump campaign. The Trump campaign is better organized and better

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Speaker 4: run than it was in twenty sixteen. Even in Iowa,

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Speaker 4: you know, you had the Trump Caucus captain hats that

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Speaker 4: wasn't happening in twenty sixteen. And the same thing is

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Speaker 4: he talked about how he had all these supporters packed

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Speaker 3: We'll starts making a wonder if the New Hampshire primary

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think the sentiment here having been

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Speaker 4: that has to do with the Democrats not you know,

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden is not on the ballot this time around,

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Speaker 4: and so there's the whole writing campaign or whatever. Also,

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, we'll see how that goes. Yeah, Phillips thinks

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Speaker 3: I not at all. While you're with us and you're

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Speaker 3: going to be running headlines on the terminal tonight, right,

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Speaker 3: you need to know this is like, this is the

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Speaker 3: later on. Are we going to get an early call?

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Speaker 4: Listen, I'm no betting woman, However, I think it's very

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Speaker 3: Polls close at eight close, some say eight oh one,

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Speaker 3: you're going to know who won, But we'll find out.

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I'm you know we're going to be

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, thanks for joining. Come talk to me sometime in Washington.

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Speaker 3: You're always welcome here. Lauren Tsinski with us here on

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Speaker 3: Balance of Power. I'm Joe Matthew in Manchester and we're

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Speaker 3: going to get an update now on things in the

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Speaker 3: field from Bloomberg's Tyler Kendall, who's been watching the polls

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Speaker 3: since things opened fairly early this morning. Tyler, what are

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Speaker 5: Hey, Joe, Well, as you've mentioned, voting is well underway.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to see people walk around downtown Manchester with

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Speaker 5: the eye voted stickers. That's how you know we're in

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Speaker 5: the thick of it. Like you mentioned, polls are going

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Speaker 5: in New Hampshire tonight, but that's less than one percent

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Speaker 5: of what's needed for the Republican primary. But New Hampshire's

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Speaker 5: first and the nation primary status means that all eyes

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 5: Now, I know that both you and I are also

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Speaker 5: going to be watching for the independent vote. This is

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Speaker 5: an open primary and independent voters make up the largest

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Speaker 6: Now, the polling and the strategists are.

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Speaker 5: Telling us that this is the needle that Nikki Hailey

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Speaker 5: But we have to remember in twenty sixteen, former President

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Speaker 5: It ultimately helped him win the state by twenty percentage points.

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Speaker 5: Of the New Hampton Republican Party says that that is

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Speaker 7: He's also going to be watching for turnout.

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Speaker 5: And I can tell you from the voters I've spoken

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Speaker 3: Tyler Kendall, we thank you and we'll meet you a

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Speaker 3: little bit later on on Balance of Power. Tyler will

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Speaker 3: be with us for the duration and that's our plan.

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Speaker 3: We've got many hours of programming coming to you life

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Speaker 3: if I can say that at least for today, as

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Speaker 3: we add the voice of Lizzie Geiton, now, a voice

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Speaker 3: of experience, having run Scott Brown's campaign for Senate here

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Speaker 3: governor of Massachusetts. Lizzie, it's great to see you. You're

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Speaker 3: at Southen Hills Strategies now, a co founder Republican strategist

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Speaker 3: and the first person we called when we we were

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Speaker 3: coming up to Manchester. Thanks for making your way north.

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Speaker 3: You're like those voters we were just talking about. You

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Speaker 3: and in some cases these voters who go to work

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Speaker 3: you describe the demographics that we're talking about, because they're

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Speaker 7: That's right, and right now forty percent of the electorate

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Speaker 7: pull a ballot today. These are good conditions for Nikki

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Speaker 7: Haley to not only pull Republicans and independents that are

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Speaker 7: President Biden, who has snubbed the Grant State for the primary.

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Speaker 3: So talk to me more about this elusive independent vote.

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Speaker 3: People not from here are hearing about it, these undeclared

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Speaker 3: Who are these people, where are they from? What are

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Speaker 3: Are these Republicans who are looking for an alternative or

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Speaker 7: I think they're a little bit of everything. And I

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Speaker 7: think in the age of you know, Biden and Trump,

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Speaker 7: you're seeing more unenrolled voters because people are sick of

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Speaker 7: looking for, you know, fresh start, a different candidate that's

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Speaker 7: going to bring an alternative to table that's not Trump, Robiden.

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Speaker 3: So talk to me about the narrative here, because I've

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Speaker 3: been here for a few days and I'm hearing that

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Speaker 3: I thought New Hampshire was supposed to be the place

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Speaker 7: Well it is, but this is also a state where

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Speaker 7: there's a lot of value in retail politics. Residents expect

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Speaker 3: The front runner never even came here, did a couple

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Speaker 7: And is not doing the type of retail politicking that

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Speaker 7: granted staters expect not to mention even President Biden. I mean,

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Speaker 7: he hasn't step foot in the state since twenty two

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Speaker 7: how about that? So I think that there's but you know,

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Speaker 7: politics is also different now. I think it's not everybody's

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Speaker 7: expecting to meet a candidate and spend time with them,

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Speaker 7: but they're looking for someone that is going to talk

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Speaker 7: to New Hampshire voters, that's going to show that, you know,

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Speaker 7: they have a new approach. And granted, sators like to

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Speaker 3: So you don't think this is done right. No one's

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Speaker 3: counted a vote yet, and you've got people writing about

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Speaker 3: the inevitable nomination of Donald Trump. Sure.

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Speaker 7: I mean, not only do Trump Republicans want to see

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Speaker 3: great pleasure to see Lizzie Guidon. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: We're here to cover the Republican primary of course in

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Speaker 8: Here he is.

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Speaker 9: I'm simply calling attention to the very danger he's presenting

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Speaker 9: We've got to wake up from this delusion that Joe

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Speaker 9: But it's the battleground numbers that I encourage people to

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Speaker 9: just waiting to happen. I did not weaken the in fact,

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Speaker 3: They seem to upset a number of people in your party.

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Speaker 9: I'm up to practicing democracy, and I think elected officials

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Speaker 9: prevent another Trump White House should get behind them.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about this contest in New Hampshire. What kind

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Speaker 3: of a margin do you need to pull here to

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Speaker 3: be taken seriously?

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Speaker 9: I think after ten weeks zero name recognition and starting

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Speaker 9: at zero in the polls four in the twenties tomorrow,

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Speaker 9: that would be extraordinary. But I think what people should

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Speaker 9: really be paying attention to is where does Joe Biden

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Speaker 9: end up tomorrow? Bill Clinton achieved eighty four percent, Barack

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Speaker 9: Obama eighty one percent.

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Speaker 3: In a writing campaign.

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Speaker 9: It's a writing campaign with the incumbent president who should

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Speaker 9: be on the ballot. By the way, the unreported story

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Speaker 9: of this whole primary is his rationale for not even

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Speaker 9: appearing on the ballot, his own choice. But we all

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Speaker 9: know there's a writing campaign here. Every member of the

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Speaker 9: cabinet I think, has been up the mayor of Boston,

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Speaker 9: the governor of Massachusetts, A number of my own colleagues

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Speaker 9: have been up here doing the same thing, telling people

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Speaker 9: who write in Biden there's a super pac set up.

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Speaker 9: My goodness, they are trying really hard, which I considered

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Speaker 9: it to be the hypocrisy of democracy. If I'm in

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Speaker 9: the twenties, that would be spectacular. If he's anywhere close

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Speaker 9: to eighty, I would be shocked. In fact, anything I

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Speaker 9: predict more in the fifties or sixties, which will be

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Speaker 9: the first evidence that voters are actually being reflected by

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Speaker 9: the polls saying that he cannot win.

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Speaker 6: There's been reporting on the eve of this primary about

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Speaker 6: a robocall that has been going out to voters an

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Speaker 6: AI generated voice of the president telling them to hold

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Speaker 6: their vote until November. Do you know anything about that?

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Speaker 6: What is your reaction to.

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Speaker 9: Other than when I just read and I just did

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Speaker 9: read that, which, by the way, I hope you all

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Speaker 9: know the state of New Hampshire. The Attorney General here

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Speaker 9: just sent a letter to the Democratic National Committee a

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Speaker 9: cease and assist for the unlawful suppression of voters. So

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Speaker 9: I don't know who's behind that. I think it's appalling,

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Speaker 9: and I think here's the bigger issue. There was an

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Speaker 9: outside group that also did a bot for Deanis. I

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Speaker 9: think it was called deanbot, which is now taken down.

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Speaker 9: But here's the real issue. The Biden administration has known

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Speaker 9: that AI is coming down the pipeline. They understand the

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Speaker 9: risks of deep fakes, and have done almost nothing to

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Speaker 9: secure us from it. No guardrails, no legislation, and no

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Speaker 9: willingness to actually confront what is forthcoming. That to me

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Speaker 9: is a metaphor for this entire problem.

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Speaker 6: There was an AI executive order, but it has pretty comprehensive.

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Speaker 9: It has not done anything to prevent the same thing.

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Speaker 9: Right now, what you just refer to who did it.

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Speaker 9: There's no way to identify right now. There might be

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Speaker 9: an investigation. I'd sure love to know who did it.

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Speaker 9: The notion of suppressing voters, by the way, I want

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Speaker 9: voters to come out and vote. The Democratic National Committee

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Speaker 9: is the only entity of which I'm aware who has

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Speaker 9: been reprimanded for the suppression of voters in this election.

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Speaker 9: And I would ask you to take a look at

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Speaker 9: that letter.

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Speaker 3: Congressman Dean Philip speaking with us here in Manchester, speaking

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Speaker 3: to the hypocrisy of democracy as he put it in

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Speaker 3: now with White House correspondent Jordan Fabian, who's also with

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Speaker 3: us here in New Hampshire. When you see the final

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Speaker 3: analysis piece drop after this race is called at some

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Speaker 3: point tonight, it'll be Jordan writing it. And it's great

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Speaker 3: to see, sir. Thanks for coming back on Balance of Power.

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Speaker 3: You cover the White House? Did Joe Biden ever call

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Speaker 3: Dean Phillips have forgotten the.

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Speaker 10: Race, not to our knowledge, and the Biden campaign and

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Speaker 10: the White House have not really even acknowledged this campaign

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Speaker 10: is happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, look, they want to project this sense

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Speaker 10: of inevitability around Biden's race, that he will be the

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Speaker 10: nominee and that they want to focus all of their

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Speaker 10: attention on their likely opponent, Donald Trump, so they don't

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Speaker 10: want to give Dean Phillips any oxygen here in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: We talked to Congresswoman Any Custer here the other day.

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Speaker 3: She's helping to drive this write in campaign. Can you

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Speaker 3: imagine what it's a writing campaign for a president of

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Speaker 3: the United States. It's been a good generation since that

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Speaker 3: has had to happen here. But could this be an

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Speaker 3: embarrassment for Joe Biden? What if Dean Phillips pulls fifty

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Speaker 3: percent or something.

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Speaker 10: It won't stop Biden's march to the nomination. As you

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Speaker 10: mentioned earlier, the delegates here aren't going to count in

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Speaker 10: the nominating psychological right, but symbolically it could. If Dean

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Speaker 10: Phillips finishes within five to ten percent, say of Joe Biden,

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Speaker 10: it's not going to look good for Joe Biden, and

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Speaker 10: it could make Joe Biden look weak among the Democratic

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Speaker 10: electorate here and raise questions about his strength among his

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Speaker 10: own party, let alone the general electorate.

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Speaker 3: So somebody is going to do a victory speech to

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Speaker 3: iother Donald Trump or Nikki Haley, will we hear from

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Speaker 3: the president after that. I support the campaign, I suppose

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Speaker 3: I should.

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Speaker 10: Say, there are no plans to as part of this

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Speaker 10: arrangement where the Democratic National Committee has picked South Carolina

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Speaker 10: as the first nominating state, they cannot engage in this

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Speaker 10: primary at all. In fact that if they do, I

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Speaker 10: think there's some penalty where they would lose delegates. So

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Speaker 10: they're not going to talk about this at all. This

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Speaker 10: writing campaign that you mentioned, it's being done by unofficially

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Speaker 10: by Biden supporters as a super pac that's behind the effort.

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Speaker 3: But he can't have his fingerprints on it at the point.

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Speaker 3: That's why we won't get a speech tonight. Exactly. This

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Speaker 3: is remarkable. Here we are in New Hampshire for the

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Speaker 3: first of the nation primary, even though it's not for Democrats,

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Speaker 3: and the White House can't even act like it exists.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know this this race has had just an

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Speaker 10: odd feeling. Joe, isn't that someone who's covered it before? Yeah,

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Speaker 10: you know, both of us. This used to be a

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Speaker 10: hub of activity. Where's the circus? Yes, you look out

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Speaker 10: in the in the lobby here at the Double Tree,

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Speaker 10: and it's a little sleepy.

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Speaker 3: So Jordan Fabian. This is Bloomberg.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Bloomberg Balance of Power on Bloomberg TV and

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Speaker 3: Radio and on YouTube. Kaylee, great to see you here

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Speaker 3: in Manchester with hours left to actual holes closing here,

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Speaker 3: it's a staggered pole. Is that like a laddered poll

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Speaker 3: as we would call it in Washington? Most close at seven,

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Speaker 3: the rest close at eight. Yeah, we'll see if we

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Speaker 3: get an early call.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, how close to eight pm could we get

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Speaker 6: that call? Keeping in mind that in Iowa took about

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Speaker 6: half an hour, the caucuses weren't even actually over, and

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Speaker 6: it was called for Trump. He had a very commanding

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Speaker 6: lead in Iowa. Essentially, the Associated Press and other networks

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Speaker 6: made the estimation that there was no way any other

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Speaker 6: candidate was going to be able to catch him. If

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Speaker 6: it's closer in New Hampshire, though, are they going to

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Speaker 6: be as willing to put a call out there that

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Speaker 6: early knowing that they got a good deal of blowback

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Speaker 6: for it last.

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Speaker 3: Week, especially with people still in line. Potentially it's a

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Speaker 3: different animal, to your point than caucusing. But we're really

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Speaker 3: kind of obsessing over this new Suffolk number here and

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Speaker 3: deeply curious to hear what Frank Luntz has to say

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Speaker 3: about it. I've been looking forward to this conversation. We

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Speaker 3: last spoke with Frank. Of course, famed Polster now at

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Speaker 3: fil the firm that he runs here as a consultant.

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Speaker 3: It's great to see you, and glad we got through

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Speaker 3: both of these cold states together. It's almost over.

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Speaker 11: Well, you can hear from my voice unfortunately, and I

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Speaker 11: apologize for those listening to me, but it's still better

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Speaker 11: than watching me. In Iowa, we knew that Trump was

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Speaker 11: right at the majority, and that was key, and we

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Speaker 11: could not call whether or not Haley was going to

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Speaker 11: come in second or third. Now with a two person race,

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Speaker 11: we know that Trump has I know that Trump has

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Speaker 11: a majority. I have no doubt about that. The question

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Speaker 11: is is the gap ten percent or more?

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Speaker 6: And by majority you mean he'll secure at least fifty percent.

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Speaker 11: That's correct, and it's a ratio that I'm looking for

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Speaker 11: if it's less than ten percent, she can make the

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Speaker 11: case that she should stay in if it's more than

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Speaker 11: ten percent. When she put a lot of time into here,

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Speaker 11: she put a lot of effort, a lot of money

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Speaker 11: into it. She had the governor following with her in

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Speaker 11: every stop that they went, and he was very powerful.

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Speaker 11: I don't know how you continue a campaign when the

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Speaker 11: next state is South Carolina, her state, and she's losing

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Speaker 11: it by big numbers.

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Speaker 6: Her campaign sent out a memo today and I'm not

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Speaker 6: sure sure if you've seen it, but essentially saying, everybody

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Speaker 6: stay calm, We're staying in this race. They signed off

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Speaker 6: on the letter with see y'all in South Carolina. Seems

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Speaker 6: to be an indication we're going there regardless on February

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Speaker 6: twenty fourth. But our campaign manager pointed out in that

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Speaker 6: memo on Super Tuesday, eleven of the sixteen states are

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Speaker 6: open primaries. Is there a world in which she may

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Speaker 6: not do well in South Carolina but comes Super Tuesday

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Speaker 6: enough Democrats could think Trump has the Repulican nomination locked

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Speaker 6: up if I don't do something and I'll go out

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Speaker 6: and vote for NICKI Haley.

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Speaker 11: Yes, there is, But here's the problem. That world exists

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Speaker 11: here in New Hampshire. And if you can pull it

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Speaker 11: off here in New Hampshire, why should you be able

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Speaker 11: to pull it off in Super Tuesday. That's why the

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Speaker 11: margin is so important. I'm not looking at winners or

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Speaker 11: losers tonight. I believe I know what's going to happen,

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Speaker 11: But the margin is everything.

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Speaker 3: This sixty percent number in the Suffolk poll is getting

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Speaker 3: a lot of attention. It's the first time that Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump has hit that level. Are those Ron de Santis

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Speaker 3: voters who are being added to the pile. How does

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Speaker 3: he continue to gain It's not like he's not going doors,

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Speaker 3: are doing anything different.

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Speaker 11: Well, he's not knocking on doors, He's simply running these rallies.

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Speaker 11: They get a lot of attention. First you lose the

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Speaker 11: veik and all of his votes go to Trump. Actually,

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Speaker 11: even before that, you lose Chris Christi. The expectation was

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Speaker 11: that two thirds of his vote, maybe three quarters, would

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Speaker 11: end up with Nikki Haley. That does not seem to

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Speaker 11: be the case. It looks like it's more than fifty

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Speaker 11: about somewhere between fifty to fifteen sixty forty, and with

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Speaker 11: the Florida governor pulling out, those numbers are probably two

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Speaker 11: to one or even three to one going to Trump.

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Speaker 11: And here's the interesting factory. All the candidates who are

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Speaker 11: running six months ago have dropped out and supported Trump,

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Speaker 11: not Haley. I think that's significant. I think that's had

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Speaker 11: an impact on the polling. And as people make that

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Speaker 11: final decision, they seem to be deciding that they're going

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Speaker 11: to go with the candidate they know, rather than the

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Speaker 11: candidate that they don't know.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 6: One of those for candidates who backed Trump was South

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Speaker 6: Carolina Senator Tim Scott, who was appointed to the Senate

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Speaker 6: by Nikki Haley more than a decade ago. Christ and

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Speaker 6: you knew the governor, and of course a Hailey surrogate

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Speaker 6: told us that it was just disrespectful, but ultimately he

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Speaker 6: thought it didn't matter. So that is it that endorsements

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Speaker 6: matter if you don't get them, not if you do.

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Speaker 6: Is that essentially what you're saying.

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Speaker 11: That's a great question. They matter when there's so many

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Speaker 11: of them. There are so many Congressmen, so many senators

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Speaker 11: that have endorsed Trump in the last ten days, so

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Speaker 11: many people from South Carolina even came up here. The

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Speaker 11: current governor of South Carolina did a speech at the

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Speaker 11: rally that I think we all attended a few days ago.

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Speaker 11: That's significant because it sends a sign and those undecided

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Speaker 11: it's less than temper simples. Undecideds are looking where are

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Speaker 11: the winds blowing, where are the candidates making their decisions?

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Speaker 11: And when they see that they're all from South Carolina,

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Speaker 11: that does have an impact.

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Speaker 3: Spending time with Frank Lunza on Bloomberg TV and talk

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Speaker 3: to us about the New Hampshire primary. What was such

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Speaker 3: an important part of the process for so many years

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Speaker 3: seems to have been downgraded into I don't even know

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Speaker 3: what we're calling this now. The lack of attendance that

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Speaker 3: we're seeing, the lack of excitement, the lack of carnival atmosphere,

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Speaker 3: and what appears to be a sense of inevitability in

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Speaker 3: the state that's supposed to bring surprises.

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Speaker 11: So I remember this set, I remember other sets back

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Speaker 11: four years ago. You couldn't get into the hotel right

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Speaker 11: you're you're fifty feet away from the lobby. Here, it's empty,

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Speaker 11: there's no way to get a table. It's going on,

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Speaker 11: there's no one standing up. There's still candidates walking through,

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Speaker 11: there's still governors, senators, but the intensity isn't there. First

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Speaker 11: because the Democrats don't really have a primary. I bought

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Speaker 11: a hat that says right in Joe Biden. Nobody wanted

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Speaker 11: to buy it from me. Nobody cares and on the rude,

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Speaker 11: but you.

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Speaker 6: Were trying to arbitrage saying how much do you buy

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Speaker 6: the hat for? What are you trying to sell it for?

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Speaker 11: I bought it for nine bucks, tried to sell it

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Speaker 11: for nineteen bucks, and I go And by the way,

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Speaker 11: then I don't think Bloomberg's ever gonna vite me on

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Speaker 11: because you want people who make money, not people.

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Speaker 8: Who lose money. And so there's.

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Speaker 11: Nothing on the Democratic side and on the Republican side.

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Speaker 11: The feeling is that the decision has been made. And

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Speaker 11: I will tell you this, I've never been to a

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Speaker 11: rally like Donald Trump's. Here I had to stand out

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Speaker 11: line for forty five minutes. It was snowing, it was

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Speaker 11: cold as heack, and nobody left that line. They were

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Speaker 11: willing to wait until the end. There were people still

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Speaker 11: wind up that couldn't get into the big that's significant.

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Speaker 11: Now Nikki Haley has big rallies, but nothing like that,

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Speaker 11: and the intensity.

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump spoke for over an hour and a half.

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Speaker 11: Nobody left everybody laughed at jokes, everybody participated.

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Speaker 8: There is a passion to his supporters.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we've seen that in poling. They are far

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Speaker 6: more enthusiastic to show up for him. More of their

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Speaker 6: votes are for him rather than against Nikki Haley. That's

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Speaker 6: not necessarily the case for Haley. A lot of those

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Speaker 6: votes are cast for her because they're against Trump more

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Speaker 6: than they are for her. So it gets to the

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Speaker 6: turnout question on the point of how much enthusiasm Trump

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Speaker 6: has with his supporters. We've heard over the last several

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Speaker 6: days that it could be a record turnout for this vote,

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Speaker 6: something to the tune of three hundred and twenty thousand plus,

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Speaker 6: and that higher turnout would benefit Nikki Haley. Could it

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Speaker 6: actually benefit Trump more if it's his voters that are

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Speaker 6: driving that high turnout.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, I'm not convinced that this is going to be

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Speaker 11: a record turnout.

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Speaker 8: In fact, I actually believe that it will not.

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Speaker 3: Does not sound unlikely based on what you.

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Speaker 11: Just said, because those who've decided are participating in those

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Speaker 11: who don't have a candidate in this race, because normally

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Speaker 11: there's four or five six candidates right now, now there

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Speaker 11: are only two. So I think that depresses turnout. But

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Speaker 11: the thing I want to raise with you, because viewers

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Speaker 11: are always trying to look into the future, is that

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Speaker 11: there are a lot of people who do not like

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Speaker 11: Joe Biden, do not like Donald Trump. And if Trump

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Speaker 11: wins by ten points tomorrow, the conversation's going to be

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Speaker 11: is there going to be a third party candidate? Does

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Speaker 11: that third party candidate have credibility? And will people be

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Speaker 11: looking for an alternative to the two party system. I

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Speaker 11: think the answer to that is yes.

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Speaker 3: Boy, we're gonna get into the No Labels conversation.

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Speaker 6: Well, we had that conversation with Dean Phillips yesterday and.

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Speaker 3: He says he's not running, but we've heard a lot

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Speaker 3: of interesting names who have gotten phone calls. There was

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Speaker 3: even reporting that Nikki Haley is on their radar. If

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Speaker 3: she doesn't put this together in New Hampshire, does she

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Speaker 3: get a call from No Labels?

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Speaker 11: She'll probably get a call because she's been willing to

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Speaker 11: run against the establishment. The game for No Labels is

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Speaker 11: that they're even less establishment than Donald Trump. And it's

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Speaker 11: not just about ideology. It's not just about being in

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Speaker 11: the center. It's also how you carry yourself. The three

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Speaker 11: attributes the American people looking for right now. Number one

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Speaker 11: is results, Number two is accountability, and number three a

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Speaker 11: detailed plan of action. I'm not sure that describes either

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Speaker 11: of the likely nominees. That could describe a third party candidate.

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Speaker 11: And notice that I didn't mention a single issue. It's

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Speaker 11: all about their attributes, who they are as people.

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Speaker 6: I wonder how you look at the data we've seen

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Speaker 6: on third parties or just on the idea that people

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Speaker 6: would like an alternative to Trump and Biden. It's more

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Speaker 6: than two thirds say they don't want either of these

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Speaker 6: men to be president of the United States. Again, the

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Speaker 6: number is significantly lower though, when people are asked if

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Speaker 6: they would support a third party candidate. So just dissatisfaction

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Speaker 6: with these two candidates doesn't necessarily mean that they would

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Speaker 6: be satisfied with someone else. What do you make of that?

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Speaker 11: So we know that that number seventy percent that does

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Speaker 11: not like either candidate, we know that two thirds want

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Speaker 11: to vote will at least seriously consider another candidate. And

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Speaker 11: we know that forty six percent now actually want to

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Speaker 11: vote against Trump and Biden. That's a really large voter pool.

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Speaker 11: Ross Proka nineteen percent in nineteen ninety two. I believe

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Speaker 11: a third party candidate, a genuine third party candidate, starts

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Speaker 11: with twenty percent of the vote. All they need to

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Speaker 11: do is add two or three percent more. They start

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Speaker 11: to win electoral votes, add five percent.

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Speaker 8: More or more. They become real players.

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Speaker 11: And to get into the debates, you need fifteen percent

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Speaker 11: of the vote. And I have no doubt that a

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Speaker 11: true independent candidacy candidate that has those attributes will garner

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Speaker 11: fifteen percent of the vote.

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Speaker 3: And you wonder if Donald Trump shows up for a

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Speaker 3: three way debate, that'll be an interesting one.

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Speaker 6: Assuming he's cycle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is the nominee. We were fascinated to learn

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Speaker 3: Frank Lunson in Iowa that immigration was the top issue

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Speaker 3: for Republican voters above the economy.

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Speaker 8: What is it here? Same thing here.

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Speaker 3: We are up closer to the Canadian border again, and

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Speaker 3: immigration is the number one.

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Speaker 8: Rations and national issue.

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Speaker 11: And with immigration, it's a fear of crime, it's a

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Speaker 11: fear of violence, it's a fear of drugs, ventanyl. Immigration

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Speaker 11: is a sign that we've lost control. So don't look

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Speaker 11: at it as immigration.

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Speaker 8: They're from.

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Speaker 11: Look at what America is losing in the process. And

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Speaker 11: that's the genesism, immigration, Do we have control of our borders?

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Speaker 11: Do we have control of our citizenry? And where's what

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Speaker 11: does his indicate for America going forward?

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Speaker 6: Well, we know that the immigration issue is one that

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Speaker 6: a lot of voters aren't satisfied with the performance of

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Speaker 6: President Biden or even Congress for that matter, on the

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Speaker 6: issue of the border. Just on the subject of the

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Speaker 6: incumbent president, though obviously we mentioned Dean Phillips, who is

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Speaker 6: on the ballot here in New Hampshire, the incumbent president

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Speaker 6: is not and there is a writing campaign for him.

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Speaker 6: There also was news yesterday of a deep fake, an

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Speaker 6: AI generated voice of Biden that was making robocalls to

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Speaker 6: people telling them to save their vote for November. Have

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Speaker 6: we really started to properly think about the way that

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Speaker 6: deep Fake's misinformation could impact this selection?

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Speaker 11: And I apologize for coughing, but you just upset me

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Speaker 11: and so now you're getting the physical reaction.

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Speaker 8: We've waited too long. Yes, this is a problem.

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Speaker 11: It's going to become a crisis, and I'm going to

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Speaker 11: get this out if it kills me. We have to

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Speaker 11: study this, We have to figure this out because people

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Speaker 11: are going to start to change their votes and change

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Speaker 11: their behavior if they can't even trust what they're being told.

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Speaker 11: And that's what's happening right now. We already have given

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Speaker 11: up on politics. We've given up on so much in

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Speaker 11: the news medium, and now that we have AI that's

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Speaker 11: having a negative impact. This should scare every viewer, every listener,

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Speaker 11: because once again we are losing control. And that's my

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Speaker 11: greatest fear. That we no longer think that we're in

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Speaker 11: charge of our democracy, no longer think that the public

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Speaker 11: determines the outcome of the elections. We don't trust the

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Speaker 11: results on election day. I've been frightened before, but this

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Speaker 11: scares the hell out of me. And by the way,

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Speaker 11: notice that my voice is cleared up because I even

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Speaker 11: think there's been divine intervention. Of all the things I

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Speaker 11: could say on this show, there's nothing more important that

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Speaker 11: we If we lose the faith, trust, and a sense

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Speaker 11: of control over our destiny in this country, we will

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Speaker 11: lose everything. And that's what I'm most concerned about over

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Speaker 11: the next ten months.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us again. We want to hear

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Speaker 3: from you as we move on to South Carolina, but

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Speaker 3: we appreciate your view. Frank, Let's always here on Bloomberg.

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Speaker 3: It's good to see you in New Hamplet.

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Speaker 8: It's an honor to be on this show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, sir. I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lions as

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Speaker 3: we drive forward with more voices from New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast can

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Speaker 3: I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lions as we bring you

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Speaker 3: special coverage from New Hampshire. It's Primary day. Voting is

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Speaker 3: underway and there's been a lot of door knocking over

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Speaker 3: the past couple of days, certainly for Nicky Haley on

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Speaker 3: Behalf of the Americans for Prosperity. This group AFP has

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Speaker 3: been knocking on tens of thousands of doors to try

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Speaker 3: to make a difference in a race that appears to

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Speaker 3: be leaning towards Donald Trump. And we're going to speak

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Speaker 3: now with someone who's been right in the middle of it,

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Speaker 3: Tracy Schmidt, speaking for AFP Action. Tracy, It's good to

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Speaker 3: have you here. Do you have a final number on

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Speaker 3: how many doors you knocked on behalf of Nicky Haley.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's and county.

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Speaker 13: We're still knocking on doors because we understand New Hampshire

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Speaker 13: is an unusually engaged electorate who really is going to

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Speaker 13: continue to listen and open to change their mind right

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Speaker 13: until they walk in and place that ballad.

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Speaker 12: So I think we're up over one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 13: I know we've made like almost six hundred and fifty

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Speaker 13: thousand contacts in New Hampshire to talk to folks about

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Speaker 13: Nicki Haley and why she's the only candidate that can

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Speaker 13: beat Joe Biden. So we've certainly been out there. We've

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Speaker 13: got almost I think two hundred people canvassing the state

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Speaker 13: and really making that case to voters.

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Speaker 6: Well, how many of those door knocks than Tracy do

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Speaker 6: you think are actually going to turn into votes in

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Speaker 6: a polling booth? I know Americans for Prosperity has had

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Speaker 6: suggested that there would be a higher turnout than we heard,

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Speaker 6: even from New Hampshire. Secretary of State David Scanlon told

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Speaker 6: Joe yesterday three hundred and twenty two thousand is what

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Speaker 6: he expects. Do you expect still that it will be

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Speaker 6: higher based on what you're seeing early on, Well.

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Speaker 13: We're expecting in the Secretary of State then clear they're

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Speaker 13: expecting a record turnout. So I don't know how much

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Speaker 13: higher you can get than a record turnout. But look,

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Speaker 13: we got involved and we decided to endorse the Kye

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Speaker 13: Haley and really engage in a presidential primary for the

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Speaker 13: first time ever because.

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Speaker 12: We knew we could make a difference.

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Speaker 13: We've seen from the data that we've collected I think

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Speaker 13: six million voters we've collected critical data about and these

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Speaker 13: are voters that we know are maybe have voted in

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Speaker 13: a general but maybe not a primary. We have several

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Speaker 13: different strategies, but we understood that this is somewhere we

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Speaker 13: can make it differs.

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Speaker 12: And we've heard from voters loud and clear they weren't

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Speaker 12: happy with the choice between Biden and Trump.

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Speaker 13: So we've had we go and have those conversations, hear

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Speaker 13: from them, and.

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Speaker 12: I mean, we're seeing momentum.

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Speaker 13: And what was interesting in terms of a lot of

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Speaker 13: the folks we've talked to is they were responsive SNICKI Haley.

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Speaker 13: They wanted to learn more about her policy and two

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Speaker 13: thirds of even Trump voters and this is kind of nationally.

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Speaker 13: We found understood he had electability and baggage issues, so

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Speaker 13: we saw a real opportunity there to make a difference

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Speaker 13: and really change the trajectory in our country.

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Speaker 3: I want to know what happens when you knock on

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Speaker 3: doors in an environment like this in a twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: four campaign, when there's such a lack of trust and institutions,

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Speaker 3: there's so much division vitriol when it comes to people's

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Speaker 3: views on politics, and you're knocking on someone's door to

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Speaker 3: give them the pitch on a candidate, what do you

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Speaker 3: tend to receive when the door opens.

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Speaker 13: Well, look, obviously different people are more kind of open

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Speaker 13: to this communication. But what's interesting about AFP is because

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Speaker 13: we have a permanent grassroots organization, a lot of these

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Speaker 13: folks in New Hampshire, they understand we've been on the ground,

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Speaker 13: we've been fighting for policies, we've been engaged on the issues,

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Speaker 13: so that I think also gives us a leg up.

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Speaker 13: And then we have that built in credibility with the

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Speaker 13: voter and we're reaching out to people that we believe

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Speaker 13: we can make a difference and are going to be

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Speaker 13: receptive to our issue and receptive to the idea of

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Speaker 13: an alternative.

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Speaker 6: Do you fully expect we only have about a minute left,

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Speaker 6: but to take this effort to South Carolina, Tracy, We're already.

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Speaker 12: In South Carolina. We've been in South Carolina in some

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Speaker 12: of these other early states for money.

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Speaker 6: You'll stay there no matter the result.

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Speaker 13: Today, we're as long as there's a path, a clear path,

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Speaker 13: or a path for her nomination, we're absolutely going to

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Speaker 13: be engaged.

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Speaker 12: Nikka Haley has.

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Speaker 13: Been clear she's got an ad by launching in South

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Speaker 13: Carolina tomorrow, So New Hampshire is important. But what again,

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Speaker 13: what makes our organization unique is we have the ability

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Speaker 13: to play the long game and the resources to say

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Speaker 13: in this thing.

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Speaker 12: And we didn't expect this to end in January.

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Speaker 13: That's been obviously something that national medias like to talk up.

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Speaker 12: I feel like there's this there's this eagerness to put

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Speaker 12: a bow on this thing right out of Iowa. But

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Speaker 12: that was never our expectation.

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Speaker 6: All right, Tracy, thank you so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 6: We appreciated Tracy Schmidt joining us as a spokesperson for

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Speaker 6: AFP Action