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Speaker 2: Oh Millie? It's the Christmas season and it's very thrilling

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Speaker 2: because we have the King of Christmas, the Christmas Zaddy himself,

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Speaker 2: film critic, podcaster, author of Have Yourself a Movie, Little Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Alanza Deeraldi joining us.

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Speaker 3: Hello Alanza, Hello Millie, Hello Casey, thanks for having.

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Speaker 1: Me, Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 2: He's an old friend.

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Speaker 3: We go way back.

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Speaker 1: You but you particularly, y'all worked together for many years, right, Yes, film.

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Speaker 3: He worked on Maximum Film. Case was our You were

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Speaker 3: the not the original producer, but you came in early

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Speaker 3: and were there for quite a good chunk of the show. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was there. I was I was there at

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Speaker 2: the very beginning and uh yeah, back when it was

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Speaker 2: called Yes and now it's Maximum Film. How long has

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Speaker 3: Who longer? Yeah, I lose all perspective, Like, you know,

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Speaker 3: if he recently you know, left because his schedule is

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Speaker 3: so bananas and we have Kevin Avery now, who's great.

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Speaker 3: But like I had always had it in my head

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Speaker 3: that that if he and Ricky Carmona had hosted about

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Speaker 3: the same number of shows, no, no, no, no no, if he

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Speaker 3: was there for a long time. Yeah, just you know,

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Speaker 3: so I have no perspective. I'm just there week in,

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Speaker 3: week out. So yeah, I like, Casey was there until

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Speaker 3: I don't know last week, and then Marissa Gamon I

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Speaker 1: And fun fact, that's how I actually met you, Casey

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Speaker 1: for the first time, because I was a guest on

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Speaker 1: Who Shot You? And I was like, who is this

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Speaker 1: organized gentleman emailing me all of the requirements and the

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Speaker 1: text bacs. I was like, this is a flawless production.

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Speaker 3: So light midwestern production.

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Speaker 2: But it's great to have your hair. Alonso just thrilled.

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Speaker 2: And this is the first time we've had somebody on

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Speaker 2: us as well, Millie. I wanted to sort of start

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, because I dare I say that, I feel

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Speaker 1: And obviously with now more of the rotation, there's more

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Speaker 1: Christmas songs to hate. But mine, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure we all also, do you have favorites?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. Well, we have a very exciting episode coming up.

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Speaker 3: absolutely die on the Hill of Diehard is a fucking

435
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 3: Christmas movie and let's drop it already. But apart from that,

436
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: like you know, I'm open, I'm easy to like. If

437
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 3: you say it is just great, If you say it

438
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 3: isn't for you, fine, whatever, you know. I think you

439
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 3: can take a film like anything from Auntie Mame or

440
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 3: Female Trouble where there's just one scene at Christmas, but

441
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 3: it's a really memorable scene, and so it's a movie

442
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 3: that people wind up coming back to with the holidays,

443
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 3: even if the rest of the movie isn't. You can

444
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: even put like Meet Me in Saint Louis in that category.

445
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 3: You know, that's a movie that takes place over the

446
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: course of a year. You know, it's as much a

447
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: Halloween movie as it is a Christmas movie, except there's

448
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: no big Halloween number, you know, which it does have

449
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 3: for Christmas, you know. I think generally speaking, what we

450
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 3: think about when we think about Christmas movies is more

451
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 3: often than not redemption stories. I think ever since a

452
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: Christmas Carol, there is this idea that there's something about

453
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: the magic of the Christmas season, the togetherness of the

454
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: Christmas season, that can force people together, can maybe force

455
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 3: them into either confronting issues of the past that they

456
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: haven't dealt with, or confronting whatever it is it's keeping

457
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 3: them from being their best selves and from being the

458
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 3: best member of their family or their community that they

459
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: could be, and then figuring out a way through that

460
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: so that they can be better about it. I always

461
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: say that that Ebenezer Scrooge, George Bailey, and Kevin McAllister

462
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: all have the same arc.

463
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, They're.

464
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: All mad about where they are right now, and then

465
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: they are given this glimpse of an alternate life and

466
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: it makes them appreciate the people around them. And I

467
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 3: think very often if you don't have some version of that,

468
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 3: then people will question whether or not it's a Christmas movie,

469
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: you know, and you can apply that to things like,

470
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: you know, James Kahn learns to believe in Santa Claus

471
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: in you know, l for Natalie Wood learns to believe

472
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 3: in Santa Claus and Miracle of the emforty like whatever

473
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: version of that arc exists. You know, I think there's

474
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 3: there's different ways to do it. But I think it's

475
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: also limiting because you can't tell me that, like The

476
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: Lion in Winter isn't a Christmas movie. It's all about

477
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: this family, this very very dysfunctional family getting together because

478
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: it's Christmas, you know. Or Metropolitan, which is shot against

479
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: the backdrop of like New York City as this bauble

480
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 3: at Christmas time, or you know Eyes Wide Shut, which

481
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 3: has a outside of the orgy sequence, has a Hallmark

482
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: movie level of Holidays stuff in every scene. Like I

483
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: just only recently somehow found this, but some guy did

484
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: a twelve minute supercut that is every Christmas tree in

485
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Speaker 3: iwid Shut. There's that many of them.

486
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Speaker 2: Well minutes, Jesus twelve minutes. There's a lot of tropes

487
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: in these Christmas movie so you see over and over again.

488
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Speaker 2: Are there any that you're like particularly fond of where

489
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: you're like, ah, yes, good or or are there ones

490
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: that you're like, I think we can retire this trope.

491
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: It's a little tired.

492
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know again, I think I think in a

493
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: good movie they can get away with murder, you know,

494
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: and in a bad movie. Maybe in a bad movie

495
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: it'll sort of like, oh, you know what, I do

496
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 3: like that part where yet it happens, you know. Like

497
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: A thing that I find myself enjoying lately is these

498
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: sort of like where people start dancing in a Christmas

499
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: movie and not necessarily in a big choreographed way, although

500
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: that can be fun too, but just like a family like, oh,

501
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: somebody puts a record on and like we're all gonna

502
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: like there's a oh God, and I'm blanking the name

503
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: of this movie. It's a big ensemble comedy with like

504
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: John Leguizamo and uh and and Alfred Molina, you know

505
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: the where they all you know, gather. I want to

506
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: say it's in Chicago, but you know, like that has

507
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: a great moment. This Christmas has this amazing soul train

508
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: line moment in the middle of the movie, and then

509
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: they actually kind of recreated in the closing credits, but

510
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: they're sort of out of character and just it's the

511
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: cast doing it because it's fun. So like moments like

512
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: that I think are really fun.

513
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: They do that at the end of the Holiday. I

514
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: remember with Cameron Diaz and Jack Black and Kate Winsley,

515
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: and it's really, uh horrible to watch. It's like very unnatural,

516
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: and they're obviously trying to get one of those like

517
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: feel good like let's all just dance moments going, and

518
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: it doesn't quite work in that one.

519
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: I'm afraid. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think, you know,

520
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 3: people too many people saw Mom and Mia on stage.

521
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 3: We're like, oh, well, if we end with Waterloo, you

522
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: know everything we give nothing like the Holidays is the

523
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: is the leg Wazama movie. I was thinking, Okay, so yeah,

524
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: I just I kind of like that. I do love

525
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: a packed house of people movie because I grew up

526
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: in a packed house of people, or certainly it became

527
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 3: packed at Christmas time. There was a film last year.

528
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I saw it called Christmas even

529
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: Miller's point that I'm a huge, huge fan of and

530
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: I'm screening it later this month in Los Angeles at

531
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: the Alamo, and I really hope that it finds an

532
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: audience because it premiered at the twenty twenty four Ken

533
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: Film Festival, and then when it opened, I kind of

534
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 3: feel like if didn't quite know what to do with

535
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: it because the title makes it sound too hallmarky for

536
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: art house audiences, and then the movie itself is probably

537
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: too art house for hallmark audiences. So I don't know

538
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: that people have discovered it, but I'm hoping they do,

539
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: because it's it's it's actually it's the guy who directed

540
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: ephis if you saw that this year.

541
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: That is that is the damn movie that has haunted

542
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: our gets it brought up incidentally on like every episode

543
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: of our show. That's so funny.

544
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: It's one of my it's one of my favorite movies

545
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five. The guy, the guy who directed

546
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: epis shot Chris is even Miller's point, like it's this

547
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: whole sort of collective of filmmakers working together, and yeah,

548
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: and it's just it's a it's a it's a great movie,

549
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: and I hope you will check it out. But there's

550
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: so much in it that I recognize, just in terms

551
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 3: of the just the masses of people and all the

552
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: all the plates on the table, and just the general

553
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: chaos of that kind of thing. Yeah, I think that

554
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: there's a lot about Christmas movies that can be, if

555
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: not aspirational, will at least sort of fill a gap

556
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: that maybe you weren't having, you know. Like I always

557
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: say that Hallmark movies exist in this kind of like

558
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: pre Bowling alone universe, you know, where everybody's a member

559
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: of a quilting bee or a b or some kind

560
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: of local thing, you know, and the local the community

561
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 3: is always getting together to like have the Christmas tree

562
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: lighting or you know, save the community center or whatever.

563
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: And I think that we're so distanced these days, and

564
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: we're so ground down by the necessities of you know,

565
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: the oligarchical state, that we don't really have time to

566
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: like see our friends and family, let alone belong to

567
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: groups or organizations, you know. And I think those movies

568
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: provide a window and like, ah, yeah, this idea of

569
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: the community and the community at large and knowing your

570
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: neighbors and hanging out with them and like being involved

571
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: in holiday projects with them, that's a real part of

572
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: the appeal of this stuff.

573
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Millie, what what are your what's your relationship to

574
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: Christmas movies? Do you like Christmas movies. I don't even know.

575
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't know this about you.

576
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't know I've gotten this far in the podcast.

577
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah I do. I mean I think, you know. I

578
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: was a child of the eighties, and I watched a

579
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: lot of TV A lot, a lot, so a lot

580
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: of the stuff that was just playing, like, you know,

581
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life and Miracle on three fourth Street,

582
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: like all that stuff, Christmas Story certainly, and uh, you know,

583
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: so I watched a lot of those, and we'll always

584
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: like I will if I'm in front of a TV

585
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: and one of those movies is on, I'm watching it,

586
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: it's like I just kind of it's like drinking water

587
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: at this point. But then also, oh, yeah, I mean

588
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: I was in I mean I was a young person

589
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: when you know, the first Home Alone came out. I

590
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: was probably like, I don't know, probably like twelve or

591
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: something when Home Alone came out, and I thought it

592
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: was the funnest, funniest movie. Like when I first saw it,

593
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like I love I mean,

594
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: I loved Macaulay Culkin from Uncle Buck. And so when

595
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's in his own movie with

596
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: like all of these hijinks and you know, all of

597
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: the brothers and sisters thing always cracks me up too.

598
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: But I'm always really really fond of home alone, even

599
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: though I know that's an absolute no brainer. But then

600
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: also I loved anything I didn't know. This is probably

601
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: like veering off the scope of the podcast maybe, but

602
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 1: I loved Christmas specials on TV. I listed this as

603
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: part of my You asked me like, uh before we recorded,

604
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: like what are some of my favorite Christmas movies? And

605
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: I fucking love the like Beavis and butt Head Christmas stuff,

606
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: like when they were doing there was this one special

607
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: that they did on MTV that is on YouTube by

608
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: the way, with the original commercials, so I it's pretty amazing.

609
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: But it's basically called Beavis and butt Head Letters to Santa,

610
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: and it's just goofy. It's just two of them, like

611
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, making fun of celebrities and you know, doing

612
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, answering questions. It's like all of the women

613
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: are in love with Beavis, who were like writing in

614
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: it's really really silly and fun. But like all that stuff,

615
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: anytime like something like yeah, like an MTV or like

616
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: a Comedy Central or any kind of channel would do

617
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: like Christmas specials. I was obsessed with them. So yeah,

618
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: I like Christmas entertainment, I guess I should say broadly.

619
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: But what about you.

620
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 2: I love Christmas. I love Christmas movies, Alonza, you kind

621
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: of spoke to this, like when you watch any Christmas movie,

622
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: or like especially the Hallmark movie Christmas movies, there is

623
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: like this sense of community. Everybody is very involved in

624
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: a lot of other people's lives outside of their families.

625
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: And I think the older I get, the more emotional

626
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: these Christmas movies make me. And I think it is

627
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: as a result of that, just because you know, I

628
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: work remotely, I am kind of isolated, and I sort

629
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: of have I have this huge desire for community, and

630
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: I don't have anything even close or remotely close to

631
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: like what is happening in these Hallmark Christmas movies, and

632
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: so it does there's this sense of longing that I

633
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: feel when I watch these Christmas movies. Now, so really,

634
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: when you said the Christmas specials, the TV specials, I

635
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: really love a Muppet Family Christmas, which is this like

636
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: TV special that has like every it has like Sesame Street, Muppets,

637
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: Fraggle Rock, and it's like all just in this house

638
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: in the middle of this winter storm, and it's it's great, and.

639
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: It's it's the it's the Avengers Infinity War of Muffet.

640
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, but I'll tell you that that that you know,

641
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: as far back as like the seventies or eighties, when

642
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: Danny Peery was writing about It's a Wonderful Life for

643
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: the first Cult Movies book, he talked about the fact that,

644
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: you know, when all of George Bailey's neighbors come in

645
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: at the end to like rescue him, he goes this

646
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: is he goes, it lands. You know, it lands hard

647
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: given that most of us only know our neighbors when

648
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: they come over to ask us to like, you know,

649
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: turn it down, you know. And so, yeah, I think

650
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: this has been an ongoing thing where more and more

651
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: people are not heart don't feel like they're part of

652
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: a community, don't feel like they have you know, they

653
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: they are spending the holidays with family, with you know,

654
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: a lot of people. And so I think these movies

655
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: have always kind of presented a certain sense of like,

656
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: you know, giving you a taste of that even if

657
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: it's not really happening for you. Yeah, you know, I

658
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: feel that way about snow. You know, I've never had

659
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: a white Christmas in my life, true, because I grew

660
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: up in Atlanta, and you know, I lived in Texas,

661
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: and I have been living in California for like more

662
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: than twenty five years, and so yeah, I associate wintry,

663
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: you know, winter weather with Christmas movies more than I

664
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: ever do with Christmas.

665
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, you're welcome to come down to Minneapolis, shovel some

666
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: snow and get the real experience here.

667
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: I want to take you about it.

668
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: When did when, Alonzo? When did this Christmas? When did

669
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: this obsession start with you? With me? Yeah?

670
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's something that's kind of been

671
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: in my back It was in my back pocket for

672
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: a long time. I've always loved movies. I've always loved Christmas,

673
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: and uh, I you know, it was in my early years,

674
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: you know, back when there was you know, a media

675
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: where I was, you know, writing for newspapers or magazines,

676
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: and I would inevitably the Holidays would roll around and

677
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: I would be asked to make a list of, oh,

678
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: you know Christmas movies that people don't think of as

679
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 3: Christmas movies, or you know Christmas movies that are also

680
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: horror movies or whatever it is. And so, you know,

681
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: I started kind of having these lists in my head

682
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: of like unconventional Christmas movies, ones that don't necessarily fit

683
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: the mold. And it wasn't until I met the guy

684
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: who would become my book agent at a film festival party.

685
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 3: I said, well, I had this idea about a book

686
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: about Christmas movies but all the different kinds, and and he,

687
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: you know, really encouraged me and we moved forward with it.

688
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 3: And so that was when when I sort of kind

689
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: of put it down on paper. But it just been

690
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: always just a thing sort of dancing around in my

691
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: head and come the Holidays. As much as yes, I

692
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 3: make it a point to watch It's a Wonderful Life

693
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: or you know Scrooge, you know, or one of the

694
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: versions of a Christmas Carol, I also like watching Desk

695
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: Set with you know, Catherine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy, which

696
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: again won Christmas Sequence. But it's a memorable one, you know.

697
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: And one of the things that's really changed since writing

698
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 3: the book originally in twenty ten, I mean, the book

699
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: that's out now is as a revised and updated edition,

700
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: is not only the fact that like streaming has happened,

701
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 3: you know, which was really not a thing back then.

702
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: I was working off of DVDs and even vhs cassets

703
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 3: when I was writing the first one. But there's been

704
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: a real explosion of interest in Christmas media, and I

705
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: think Hallmark is a big engine behind that. But I

706
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: think it's also reflecting a thing that people want. You know,

707
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: there's a there was maybe one Christmas podcast when I

708
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: wrote this book originally, and now there's a ton of them,

709
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: and then these are like year round podcasts. They're talking

710
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 3: about this stuff, you know, all through the year. When

711
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: the pandemic started and everybody was locked down, Hallmark started

712
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: doing these weekend marathons or Christmas movies in April because

713
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: they just knew that people really, you know, were hankering

714
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: for some coziness. And I think that really clicked with

715
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: people as like, oh, yeah, this is a thing I

716
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: turned to that makes me feel good. So like Hallmark

717
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: now like one so week runs a Christmas movie again,

718
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: all through the year. So I think it used to

719
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: be a very compartmentalized thing, and now it's become such

720
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: a phenomenon that there are people who will very happily

721
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: indulge in it. All year round, and even the people

722
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: who wait until the holidays, there's so much more to

723
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: choose from, and it is so much more present in

724
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: the media. I mean, the Christmas movie itself is kind

725
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: of an invention of the television era in the first place.

726
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: You look back at the forties and fifties, you know,

727
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: Christmas in Connecticut and Miracle on thirty four Street. These

728
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: movies came out in the middle of the summer. They

729
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: were not considered like, oh, yes, people are going to

730
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 3: want to go see these at Christmas time when people

731
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: want to see Christmas movies. No, they were just movies

732
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: that were out in the world and they happen to

733
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: be said at Christmas. But then TV rolls around and

734
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: they have to start programming their December with their library

735
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: of old movies, and they start showing you know, the

736
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: Alisair Sima, Christmas, Carol and It's a Wonderful Life and

737
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: all these other kind of films, and then I think

738
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: that's what starts making people associate chrismiss movie as a

739
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: thing that's going to be part of their Christmas experience,

740
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: alongside decorating the house, making cookies, pulling out the wacky sweaters, whatever,

741
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: it is that they you do to celebrate Christmas, movies

742
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: become part of that at you know again like in

743
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: the fifties and sixties, not going all the way back

744
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: to as far as these movies have existed.

745
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: Can we take like a little side road, Because I

746
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: am so fascinated with the Hallmark Christmas juggernaut that you

747
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: just spoke about. I have not seen any of them,

748
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: and so I was wondering if you had, like, say,

749
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: if you're a complete newbie greenhorn whomever, like I am, like,

750
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: give me like some of your faves, Like where should

751
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: I start if I want to get on this train?

752
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: Okay?

753
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 2: Now?

754
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: And this is the Hallmark Christmas movie as we know

755
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: it now was kind of started around like twenty fourteen.

756
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen, there was a there was a Canvas Cameron

757
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: Bray movie where she gets sent to a small town

758
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: in Alaska to do her medical internship up and falls

759
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: in love with the guy whose dad may or may

760
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: not be Santa, And that really sort of set in

761
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: motion the kind of very rom com centric way that

762
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: they do these movies now. So if I were to

763
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: pick like three that I think really represent the best

764
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 3: of it comedically, let's see. Okay. So there's there's one

765
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: called Crashing through the Snow where a divorce couple who

766
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 3: are still very amicable. The ex wife winds up tagging

767
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: along with her husband and their daughters to Christmas with

768
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: his new girlfriend at her family's place in Colorado, and

769
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: she winds up the wife winds up falling in love

770
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: with the new girlfriend's brother, and it's it's really smart

771
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: about divided families and about you know, like you know,

772
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: how divorce can work, and people being on the same

773
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: age about stuff. Also kind of hot for a homework movie,

774
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: Like there's a there's a scene where the brother takes

775
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: the the ex wife to this like this closed spa

776
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: at night where like, you know, there's the steam coming

777
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 3: out of the pools and it's like, okay, I can

778
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: see what we're doing here. Yeah. And then like for

779
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: the sort of heart tugging, more poignant one, there's one

780
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: that I really like call Two Turtle Doves about a

781
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: woman who's a neuroscientist whose grandmother dies and leaves her house.

782
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: And this is a trope. You get a lot like

783
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: I'm leaving in the house and I want you to

784
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: do all of these Christmas things we used to do

785
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 3: together before you decide whether or not to sell the house.

786
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 3: So that's all kind of cool, But it's also about

787
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 3: this like missing ornament, and it's also about the neuroscientists

788
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: falling in love with the grandmother's lawyer, who is himself

789
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 3: a widow. So they actually talk about grief in this movie,

790
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: which is again for Hallmark like that. They usually there's

791
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: a lot of dead spouses or relatives. They don't really

792
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: get into the sadness that often the melancholy that can

793
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: permeate the holiday season when loved ones are no longer there,

794
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: you know. So I think that's handled really beautifully and

795
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 3: really Nikki de Looach and Michael Radio the leads, and

796
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: they're they give really great performances. So I like that

797
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: one a lot. And then I think the best Hallmark

798
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 3: Holiday movie is actually a Hanika movie. It is a

799
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: comedy starring Vick Michayliss called Round and Round and it's

800
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: kind of a groundhog Day situation where she gets an

801
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: enchanted dradl and lives the seventh night of Hanukkah over

802
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: and over again until she gets it right. And it's

803
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,479
Speaker 3: adorable and really funny and really smart and even even

804
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: my husband, Dave wife, who hates Hallmark movies with every

805
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: fiber of his being, will acknowledge that round and Round

806
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: is pretty terrific.

807
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how can he hate them when you

808
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: when he's with you? I mean, this is crazy, Like

809
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: how do you manage that? He?

810
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: Luckily he goes to better okay, so you know, and

811
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: during the holidays he understands its work and he just

812
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: has to like buck up and deal with it. But yeah,

813
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 3: I I you know, he doesn't look, he doesn't play

814
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: like you know, Japanese industrial noise metal around me, and

815
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: I don't subject them to Hallmark Christmas movies. And that's

816
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: how you make a marriage that in and.

817
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: Of itself sounds like the plot of a Hallmark Christmas

818
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: It's so alonza. Do you get this sense within the

819
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: Hallmark Christmas movie? You know, fans and that whole culture

820
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: are people going back and watching years past. It just

821
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: seems like there's such a large volume. Okay, because it

822
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: just seems like there's such a large volume of Hallmark movies.

823
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: It's almost like sports where it's like you watch this season,

824
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: you just have to focus on what's going on right now.

825
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: I would I'm inclined to say yes because on the

826
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: Hallmark Plus streaming service, when you go to their Christmas section,

827
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: they have it broken down by year, so like if

828
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: you want to revisit, say the twenty nineteen Countdown to

829
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 3: Christmas lineup, bam, it's all there. And so I mean

830
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 3: they you know, there's alphabetical listings, there's listening by star,

831
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: but there's also the yearly thing. So yeah, I think

832
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 3: absolutely they do go back and enjoy those, and there's

833
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: definitely like ones that are favorites. They get talked up

834
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: a lot, that come up in online chatter and stuff.

835
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm about to go to Christmas Con

836
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: in New Jersey, which is a very big deal where

837
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: like all of the hall Stars come and a lot

838
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: of the main thing that people go there for it

839
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: to like do selfies and autographs from their favorite you know,

840
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: stars of these movies. But you know there's also other

841
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: there's panels, and there's a cool market and other things

842
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: going on as well. I will be selling and signing

843
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: copies of my book, so you know from there drop

844
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: by the deck the Hallmark Book booth, I'll be there.

845
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 2: Who are the big hall Stars? Is that the term

846
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: did I say that who are the who are kind

847
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: of the top ones that people would be excited to

848
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: see at Christmas.

849
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 3: Con Tyler Hines always a huge draw. He you non

850
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: Hallmark folks may know him as long Dick Dirk's from

851
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: Letter Kenny Got It. But he has definitely I think

852
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: risen to the top of the pack there. But like

853
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: Andrew Walker, Christopher Palaha, Wes Brown among the men, and

854
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: then for the women, I would say like Lacy Shabert,

855
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 3: no question, she is our queen, but like Nikki DeLoach,

856
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: Ashley Williams, Bethany Joy Lenz and so like it's a

857
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: mix of you remember them from One Tree Hill, but

858
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: also like just people who have worked steadily and you

859
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: know a lot of them are Canadian because that's where

860
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: most of these films are made and to qualify for

861
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 3: like the all the tax breaks you get of shooting

862
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: in Canada, like one of the two leads has to

863
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: be Canadian, which is why like if it's a lazy

864
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 3: Shubert movie, if it's a you know, like sitcom American

865
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: sitcom actress you remember fondly from the nineties, then her

866
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 3: male lead is always going to be Canadian.

867
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: I didn't really interesting.

868
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: Wow, what a world. I gotta get into this thing.

869
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: It's a whole thing time mill. I got into them because, well,

870
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: part because just when when Trump went down the escalator

871
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: for the first time and like kicked off that nightmare,

872
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: I just I needed to stop watching the news so much.

873
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: And then also my friend William Bibiani had I was

874
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: in a car accident in like late twenty fourteen or fifteen,

875
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: I forget when, but he was laid up on the

876
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: sofa and so started watching these movies. He was like,

877
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: you have to check them out. They are all about

878
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: like these women who are obsessed with the business of business, business,

879
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: but then they learn to love Christmas.

880
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So is there what would you consider

881
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: the most recent Christmas movie that is unequivocally classic, you know,

882
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: on par with stuff like Miracle on thirty fourth Street

883
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: or you know Charlie Brown Christmas or something like that.

884
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Something that would be you could play it for twenty

885
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: four hours in a row and people would be invested.

886
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: Well, that's been a conversation of late. It came up

887
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago when we have the twentieth

888
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: anniversary of Elf and Love Actually and people were like,

889
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 3: we haven't really had anything since then that has had

890
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: that level of impact. And that's true. But I don't

891
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: think it's because the movies aren't as good. I think

892
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: it's just that we watch things differently. It's you know, again,

893
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: it's the same thing with the we Are of the

894
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 3: World conundrum. You know, I think everybody is so splinter

895
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: on what they watch, and there's so many streaming outlets

896
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: and so many places to see things that you know,

897
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: you don't get the same number of eyeballs on something

898
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: at the same time. So even if you have like

899
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: Ted Turner deciding yes, we're going to show this movie

900
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: for twenty four hours, you know, the way that you

901
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: did with a Christmas Story, I don't think that there's

902
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: anybody's watching any one channel enough for twenty four hours

903
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: to sort of make that happen. So there have been

904
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: a lot of terrific movies. I mean Light last year

905
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 3: we had not only Chris's even Miller's point, but also

906
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 3: best Christmas pageant ever, which I thought was quite lovely,

907
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: and even the very silly Red one.

908
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: You know.

909
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: I just I think that the way that everything is

910
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 3: so fragmented now, I mean, did you guys see the

911
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: David Gordon Green comedy Nutcrackers starring Ben Stiller that premiered

912
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: on Hulu last year after premiering at the after being

913
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 3: of the Toronto Film Festival. No, you've probably never heard

914
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 3: of it, you know, And it's just that's what we're

915
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: dealing with here. And so I even like the Netflix stuff,

916
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: I feel like is just part of this stew of

917
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: options and so so yeah, I one could say, yes,

918
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 3: we haven't had a movie since Love Actually an Elephant

919
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: two thousand and three, you know that really have have

920
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 3: entered the cannon in that way. But I think it's

921
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: just because again, the cannon ain't what it used to

922
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: be in terms of anything adding to it because everybody's

923
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 3: diverted in a million directions.

924
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it seems it seems like there is sort

925
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: of a Christmas movies have been a little bit more

926
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: relegated to kind of you know, streaming movie. It's not

927
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: the big theatric cole release movies.

928
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: There are some, but I think the strategy now is

929
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 3: release them early enough so that they will be on

930
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 3: streaming by actual Christmas. So like last year, for example,

931
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: a Best Christmas Pageant ever, you know, was the theatrical

932
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: film lines get released it. It came out, but it came

933
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: out in like October, just to give it so that

934
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 3: its window would be over in time for it to

935
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: be on your home, you know, to be rented on

936
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: Amazon or whatever for the actual holiday. Like that's really

937
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: the end point now, you know. The Happiest Season was

938
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 3: supposed to be a theatrical release, but then COVID happened,

939
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: and so it went to Hulu and did very well there,

940
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: but it never really got it its due in theaters.

941
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: Noel was going to be a theatrical release, and Disney

942
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 3: was just launching Disney Plus and trying to like sex

943
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: that up, and they're like, no, we're just gonna make

944
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: it straight to streaming. So I think that streaming, you know,

945
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: becomes this factor now that keeps movies from that makes

946
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: the theatrical life of a film sort of you know,

947
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: a little minor detail that they have to work through

948
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: before where the real action is.

949
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last movie I feel like that I was like, oh,

950
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: this is a big Christmas movie, come to theaters with

951
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: big stars was Paul Figue's Last Christmas in twenty eighteen.

952
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: That sort of felt like for me kind of a

953
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: bigger movie.

954
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a good example. But I think, you know,

955
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: I think if you were making that movie now, like

956
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: it would they would have they would have released it

957
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: at a you know, September October to make sure that

958
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 3: it was on Peacock, you know, in time, in time

959
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: for the Christmas season. This year, there was a really

960
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: lovely romantic comedy called The Baltimorons that opened in like

961
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: the beginning of September, so that it could now be

962
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: on AMC Plus, which is where you can watch it,

963
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 3: or you can rent it from you know, Amazon or

964
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: Apple or whatever. But yeah, that's that's the end game now,

965
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 3: is is is being able to watch it from your couch.

966
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting.

967
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: Apparently the only reason Red One got into theaters was

968
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: because Dwayne Johnson saw Oppenheimer and Imax was like, hey,

969
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: I want my movie to be this, you know, and

970
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: so it wound up it was just going to be

971
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: a prime video exclusive, but then it got a theatrical

972
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: run because you know, he decided it needed one.

973
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: Is that right?

974
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: And you know when I think of Red One, I

975
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 3: think of Oppenheimer.

976
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, definitely hand in hand, that's right. Are there

977
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: any directors that you feel like could really that are

978
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: working now, that could really tackle Christmas movie.

979
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 3: Well, I would give my back teeth for a Wes

980
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: Anderson Christmas Yes, right.

981
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: On.

982
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: I mean, like think about it, even like a Wes

983
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 3: Anderson animated movie, you know, like in the style of

984
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: Fantastic Mister Fox. He would I think he would nail

985
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 3: the visual sense of it and the the the just

986
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 3: salt of Christmas so well, and it would fit perfectly

987
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: in the kind of worlds that he creates.

988
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 2: You know. Absolutely. A lot of his movies too, are

989
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: like crowded house movies.

990
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, you know, so, yeah, I think that is

991
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 3: waiting to happen. Good question. I you know, I think

992
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: like a bas Lerman Christmas music would be really something

993
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: to be whold totally totally.

994
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: Maybe this is just because I'm watching Blossoms Shanghai on

995
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: the Criterion Channel, but I feel like a long Car.

996
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 3: Wik did had you Oh heck yeah.

997
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 2: I feel like twenty forty six might have had some

998
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: Christmas scene in there, but I feel like he could

999
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: do a whole Christmas movie.

1000
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Yeah, you know, I think like I would

1001
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 3: love to see a Japanese director really do a movie

1002
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: about how they do Christmas in Japan, because that's its own,

1003
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 3: its own thing, Like the just the KFC aspect of

1004
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: it alone, I find endlessly fascinating about this.

1005
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: No.

1006
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: So apparently an enterprising KFC manager back in the seventies

1007
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 3: started this thing where he basically kind of floated this

1008
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: white lie that that Americans ate fried chicken every Christmas.

1009
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: And he started this whole like Kentucky Christmas thing, you know,

1010
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 3: like I had a Colonel Sanders that was dressed as

1011
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: Santa and gave out chicken at some event or whatever,

1012
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: and it just sort of snowballed from there and now

1013
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 3: like it is, this cornerstone of how Japanese people celebrate

1014
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 3: Christmas is that they pre they pre order, mind you,

1015
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 3: their KFC dinner because like it is, it gets booked up,

1016
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 3: and they they it can be really elaborate, where like

1017
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: you bring home not just the bucket of chicken, but

1018
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: like a cake and a bottle of champagne, and like

1019
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: they do plates and toys and ornaments, like I've kind

1020
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: of been collecting some of those, Like it's it's this

1021
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: whole thing, and you know it's the country is not

1022
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: particularly Christian, but they do you know, enjoy other kind

1023
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: of you know, trappings of Western culture and stuff, and

1024
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: so somehow KFC Christmas has become this legit phenomenon in Japan.

1025
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: I would love to see a movie about that.

1026
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: Wow, that is fascinating. I had no idea, and I agree,

1027
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: I would love to see something like that about that.

1028
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I So can we talk a little bit

1029
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: about your book please? Okay, So first of all, you

1030
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: mentioned that basically, you know, you originally wrote the book

1031
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: in twenty ten, So what was it What was the

1032
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: impulse to maybe revisit it and to you know, revise

1033
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: it and updated, Like what was going through your head

1034
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: when you're like, oh, I should you know, there's considerably

1035
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: more Christmas movies that have happened since twenty ten, So

1036
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, what what do I do? I pick up

1037
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: this old book that I've written and add to it.

1038
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: Like how did that process go?

1039
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple of things. I mean, from the

1040
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: moment it came out new Christmas movies would come out,

1041
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: I would think I wish I and so I was

1042
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 3: kind of cataloging those in my head. And then not

1043
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: long after I published the original edition of this, Uh,

1044
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 3: TCM did their Christmas book and then a few years

1045
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: later they did a second edition. I thought, oh, you

1046
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: can do that. You can do a second edition, you

1047
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 3: can update the thing. It really hadn't occurred to me.

1048
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 3: And then all but also I had to get the

1049
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: first book across the finish line of you know, earning

1050
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 3: royalties to do that, and so you know it it

1051
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 3: all of those things came together. I did manage to

1052
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: make that happen and so yeah, so I was able

1053
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 3: to you know, go back to the drawing board and

1054
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: be like, hey, I would like to do this, and

1055
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: the publishers we were down for it.

1056
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: Amazing. I love the way that the book is structured

1057
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: because you kind of have you kind of collect them

1058
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: by little genres. Right when you were coming up with those,

1059
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: I mean clear really you had to have you know,

1060
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: certain there's certain you know, tropes and things that come

1061
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: up time time again, Like you have an entire chapter

1062
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: about you know, Scrooge and then Holiday Horror. Was there

1063
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: other things that you felt like you wanted to like

1064
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: what is something like a trope or something that you're

1065
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: like really into that is kind of like I don't

1066
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: know what if you'd call it a micro genre of

1067
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: the Christmas movie, but like something that you really like.

1068
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 3: You know. What I was going for was this idea

1069
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: of whatever kind of movie you like, it does butt

1070
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 3: up against Christmas something sure, you know, And so I

1071
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: wanted to have a thing where, you know, yes, if

1072
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: you are like a straight up traditional Christmas movie fan,

1073
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 3: like those movies are in there, but if you're also

1074
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: looking for like some different movies to show your children,

1075
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: or different movies that are in the action genre or

1076
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 3: horror or whatever, like, you know, there's something for you.

1077
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 3: There is something that will appeal to you that also

1078
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: fits under this umbrella of Ristmas. And so yeah, so

1079
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: that just sort of seemed like the best way to

1080
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: kind of divvy it up that way, so that folks

1081
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: you are like, Okay, look, here's some comedies, here are

1082
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 3: some tearsjerkers, you know, here are some movies that are

1083
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 3: absolutely not meant for children, you know, but that deal

1084
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 3: with the holidays or whatever. So yeah, I kind of

1085
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, there's a million different ways you can

1086
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: sort of parse these things out or look for recurring

1087
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 3: motifs or whatever, but that just seemed like a good

1088
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: way for people to kind of approach this if they

1089
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 3: if they wanted to come at it from a particular

1090
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: angle rather than just sort of trying to take it

1091
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 3: all in.

1092
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1093
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I have to say, I mean my because

1094
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: my brain is crazy. I went immediately to the chapter

1095
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: of like the Worst Christmas Mounties of all time, Yes,

1096
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: because I was like, I have to see this, and

1097
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: I was blown away. I mean, I you know, of

1098
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: course I knew about Santa Claus and Santa Claus Conquers

1099
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: and Martians and all these like classic terrible Christmas movies,

1100
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: but you had so many that I had never heard of.

1101
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 3: I was.

1102
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I damn, there like eighty percent of the

1103
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: movies in that chow. I'm like, I've never even heard

1104
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: of this, including this one.

1105
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: I don't.

1106
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you're prepared to talk about

1107
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: this at all, but I have to bring it up.

1108
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: This one stuck out to me. It's a nineteen ninety

1109
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: six movie starring Hulk Cogan called Sants Out with Muscles YEP,

1110
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: which is the funniest name for a movie. I don't

1111
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: know why I take, but it's the poster looks so terrible,

1112
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: and then you go through it and you're like, Okay,

1113
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: who's in this movie, you know, Garrett Morrista, Ed Begley,

1114
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: Junior Hull, cocon and then you're like produced by Jordan Belfort.

1115
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 3: Uh huh The Wolf of.

1116
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: So what do you what do you know about this movie?

1117
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to watch it.

1118
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bananas. It is, you know, like the cinematic

1119
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: career of Hulk Cogan. Really it was all downhill from

1120
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 3: already starting in the Valley with you know, no holds barred.

1121
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, he plays like an obnoxious rich guy who

1122
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 3: gets conked on the head and comes to believe that

1123
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: he's Santa and he saves an orphanage that is that

1124
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 3: the evil scientist wants to tear down because it's got

1125
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 3: these weird crystals under it, like it's it's it feels

1126
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 3: like eight year olds hopped up on on Nestley quick

1127
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 3: really just like went to town on this script of

1128
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 3: young Milicunis is in it, and she's one of the

1129
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 3: best things in it, Like she's already got star quality.

1130
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: But it, Yeah, it is quite terrible.

1131
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: It says that it's it was only out for two weeks.

1132
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it came and went and again. This is like

1133
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: after the sort of you know, there was a moment

1134
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: where like New Line and people like that were trying

1135
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: to make a whole cogain movies like Suburban Command or whatever,

1136
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 3: and this was these are the indie years where it's

1137
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: it's he's still trying to make this happen. It's just

1138
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: not happening.

1139
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: Wow, well that is rocketing to the top with my

1140
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: watch list. I've got to watch Santa with Muscles. Is

1141
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: there anything in the book like that you would recommend

1142
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: that people check out at all? I mean, I know

1143
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: there's it's so comprehensive, it's so complete, but like, I

1144
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: don't know, just something maybe along the lines of a

1145
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: Saddle with Muscles, like some kind of hidden gem or

1146
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: oddity that just is kind of super interesting.

1147
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's a bunch one of the

1148
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 3: ones that you know. The thing about this edition is

1149
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 3: not only is it all the movies that came out

1150
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 3: in the last fifteen years that I was finally able

1151
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 3: to add, but I am constantly learning. I'm constantly being

1152
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: exposed to films I didn't know about, to older movies.

1153
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 3: So like I'm it's not like I'm never walking up

1154
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 3: to the table with I know all of them and everything.

1155
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: You know, it is periodically it's like, oh, this was

1156
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: completely under my radar. So one of my favorites that

1157
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: I included this time around that was new to me

1158
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 3: was a noir film called Blast of Silence.

1159
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: Yes, that's why film recommendation for the week. But anyway, continue.

1160
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 3: From the early Yeah, from the early down.

1161
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's written. That's amazing.

1162
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I'm late to the game on this one.

1163
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: Like score a Criterion put it out last year, like

1164
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: it's it's out in the world, but I had just

1165
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 3: missed it. And it's this wonderfully bleak and existential noir

1166
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 3: film about a hitman who goes to New York at

1167
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 3: Christmas time to do a job and encounters a woman

1168
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 3: that he, you know, had been had loved years earlier

1169
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: when they were both in an orphanage. Yeah, it's uh.

1170
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: One of the things that's so cool about it is

1171
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 3: the thing that I love about low budget movies in

1172
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 3: general is you know, they're very often kind of shooting

1173
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 3: gorilla style with no permits or whatever. So if you

1174
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 3: really want a sense of like what city streets looked like,

1175
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: you know, it's what I love about Like early Godar films.

1176
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 3: If you want to say, what, like what bars in

1177
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 3: Paris or movie theaters looked like? You know, this movie

1178
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 3: will tell you because there's no set dressing. They just

1179
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 3: came and shot in front of the thing and ran off,

1180
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: you know. So it really gives you that flavor of

1181
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty nine Christmas in Manhattan. But also it's so

1182
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 3: dark this movie. It has this like Waldo Salt wrote

1183
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: this narration that Lionel Standard reads, It's all about like

1184
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: you were born into an inky, violet blackness of nothing

1185
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 3: and we'll return there one day. You know. I can't

1186
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 3: even get it, but it's just like it's so like

1187
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 3: and Christmas y, you know, why not?

1188
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1189
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: No, I think one of back when I was programming

1190
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: at TCM, I think one of my favorite holiday double

1191
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: features that I got to play is a double feature

1192
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: of The Silent Partner from nineteen seventy eight and Blast

1193
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: of Silence that we just talked about. So I was like,

1194
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: that's a little bleak duo for you.

1195
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: All right, as we wrap things up here, Millie, what

1196
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: are some of your favorite you want to go do

1197
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 2: so your top three favorite Christmas movies of all time?

1198
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: Yes?

1199
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 2: No, No, particular order.

1200
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: Oh, no, particular order. You don't want to do a rank.

1201
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 2: I don't know. Do you want to do a particular order?

1202
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you. I feel like if we

1203
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: do that, you really have to be you know, you

1204
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: have to have a you have to have your list

1205
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: intact and be prepared to defend it for the rest

1206
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: of time.

1207
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I know. That's why I'm like, I'm afraid.

1208
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: Well, okay, we won't rake it then, so we don't

1209
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: have a Reddit post about us or anything. Sure, so

1210
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: I will say, like my top three, I feel like

1211
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: I mentioned two of them are ready The Silent Partner

1212
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy eight.

1213
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: Have to put that.

1214
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: I just love Christopher Plumber and Santa Claus like committing

1215
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: crimes that just cracks me up. I will also pick

1216
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: because this is pure nostalgia for me from childhood, but

1217
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: also just maybe the most heartwarming, Like if every time

1218
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: I watch this, I feel so wonderful and amazing but

1219
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: a Charlie Brown Christmas and anytime it comes on TV,

1220
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: I just go back to that little place, you know

1221
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: what I mean, And I'm just like it makes me

1222
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: so happy, so I will always it will always be

1223
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: in the top three, and then I think my last one.

1224
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: My last one is is one that I actually mentioned

1225
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: a couple episodes ago. Is something that I watched again.

1226
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: But All That Heaven Allows from nineteen fifty five, because

1227
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: those kids are the worst gift givers ever.

1228
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 2: I hate her.

1229
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: I hate her kids. Jane Wyman's kids and All That

1230
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: Heaven Allows are the fucking worst ever. But the you know,

1231
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: the general vibe of that movie too, is so wintry

1232
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: and so you know, I mean like Ron Kirby, the

1233
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: Snow and the Deer and every I mean, come on,

1234
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: he's gotta love it.

1235
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 3: So I just watched Uh, There's Always Tomorrow, which is

1236
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 3: another Douglas certain movie that the subtexts don't have children.

1237
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: I love, and uh All That Heaven Allows when they

1238
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 2: roll that TV in the face is just like kill.

1239
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 1: Me, kill me. Oh my god. I wanted to punt

1240
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: those kids down the street. I was like, just go

1241
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: to college and never come back. Casey, what about you?

1242
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: What is your Oh my god, this is hard for me,

1243
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: you know I do. I have such a soft spot

1244
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: for a Christmas story because from nineteen eighty three, because

1245
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm a child of the Midwest, I'm a little blonde

1246
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: boy with blue eyes. I have two younger brothers, and

1247
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just this is a very kind

1248
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: of It feels like a real Midwest Christmas movie, and

1249
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: I really just have such nostalgic feelings for it. I

1250
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 2: also I love Metropolitan from nineteen ninety Wit Stillman's Metropolitan.

1251
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: I love I love the Christmas movies that are kind

1252
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: of like party movies too, where it's like people, you know,

1253
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: you think of winter time as people like staying indoors,

1254
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: but I like the ones where people are going to parties,

1255
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: hanging out with each other, you know. And I just

1256
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 2: think Metropolitan is so great. And then for my third one,

1257
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: I'll do Ingmar Bergman's Fanny and Alexander their their house,

1258
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: the Christmas House is so it's just we we try.

1259
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: My wife and I always talking about we're trying to

1260
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 2: emulate that the way they decorate for Christmas in that movie,

1261
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: and we haven't quite gotten there yet, but someday. So

1262
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: I'll say those are my top three. But Alonzo, what

1263
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: about what are some of your favorite Christmas?

1264
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: Hard for me to narrow it down, but I'll see

1265
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 3: these are the three that I pretty much watch every

1266
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 3: year without veil, so I would say, I mean, it's

1267
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 3: a wonderful life. Of course, you know, I'm an American

1268
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 3: and I'm not made of stone, as Isaac Msrahi would say.

1269
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 3: But that's the movie I grew up on, and it's

1270
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 3: a it's a it's a ritual every year that we,

1271
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 3: you know, very very often we'll go see it at

1272
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 3: a theater because in La a lot of people will

1273
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 3: screen it. So that's always nice. A desk set, which

1274
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 3: I think I mentioned before with Hepburn and Tracy, that's

1275
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 3: a movie that we just we always make it a

1276
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 3: point to watch. And then I really like the nineteen

1277
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 3: seventies Scrooge with Albert Finnie. It's a Leslie Leslie brickis musical.

1278
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 3: I think it's just one of the best adaptations of

1279
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 3: the many that are out there. It turns out of

1280
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 3: Christmas Carroll's the most adapted English language work of fiction.

1281
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 3: And there's more coming, you know, like both Tye West

1282
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 3: and Robert Eggers are apparently working on new ones. So yeah,

1283
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 3: I really like Scrooge a lot. Albert Finnie's one of

1284
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 3: the people to play young Scrooge and older Scrooge. I

1285
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 3: like the song.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's we're checking out.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to Employees' Picks, where we give recommendations

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Speaker 2: based off the theme of the episode Millie, why don't

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Speaker 2: you go first?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I feel like now I should choose a

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Speaker 1: different pick because we talked about Blast of Silence already,

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Speaker 1: which I encourage everybody to watch as well. It's such

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Speaker 1: a gritty, bleak Christmas fun film. I think I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is really obvious, but hey, who gives

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Speaker 1: a shit, right, I'm gonna go Black Christmas from nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy four, the original Bob Clark. I rewatched that movie

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Speaker 1: in the past couple of years, and there is some

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Speaker 1: legit scary moments in that movie. I anything involving the

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Speaker 1: closet with things in the closet I was like terrified about.

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Speaker 1: And also I love that woman who plays the what

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01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: is she like the house woman, the house mother with

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Speaker 1: her like drinking problem and hiding her booze and the

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Speaker 1: toilet and everything. I mean, I just love that. And

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Speaker 1: I love the outfits. I love Olivia Hussy sweaters, and

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Speaker 1: I love all of the women in the movie. They're

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Speaker 1: just so fun. And yeah, I mean, it's like Christmas horror.

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Speaker 3: Film from the director of a Christmas m exactly.

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Speaker 1: So that'll be my recommendation.

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Speaker 2: What about you, I am going to you know, I

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Speaker 2: was gonna recommend eyes Wide Shut because I really feel

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Speaker 2: like that puts me in the Christmas mood. And I

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Speaker 2: do think it's like it like the story is a

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Speaker 2: very you know, a redemptive Christmas story. But I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go I'm gonna say this movie that came out in

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen called Feast of the Seven Fishes.

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Speaker 3: Oh good one.

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Speaker 2: Starring one of my favorite young actors right now, Skyler Gisondo.

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Speaker 2: It's a good nostalgic Christmas movie. It takes place in

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Speaker 2: I believe, West Virginia, in this kind of small city there,

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Speaker 2: and it's this Italian family celebrating the Feast of the

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Speaker 2: Seven Fishes. And it's just like a really kind of heartwarming,

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Speaker 2: fun movie about family and tradition. And yeah, I really

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Speaker 2: it really, it really scratched that, you know, Christmas itch.

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Speaker 2: So that's what that's gonna be my wreck. Feast of

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Speaker 2: the Seven Fishes, Alonso, do you have a wreck? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean you know that that Feast of seven Visius

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01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 3: is one of I think several really cool indies that

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Speaker 3: we've gotten over the last few years, like you Know,

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Speaker 3: see you next Christmas and Jentans nineteen eighty five. My

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Speaker 3: recommendation is going to be a movie called Christmas Again,

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Speaker 3: and make sure it's the one with the Comma in it,

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01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 3: or you're going to get a dumb Disney Channel movie.

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Speaker 3: It is. It stars Kentucker oddly as a guy who

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Speaker 3: is working twelve hour shifts selling trees on the streets

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01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: of New York City and is clearly, you know, having

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Speaker 3: a rough time of it. But it's the Christmas season.

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01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 3: There is the possibility of redemption and of you know,

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 3: a new love for him around the corner. It is.

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Speaker 3: It is chilly, and it is understated, but it's really

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01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 3: beautiful and a film I just love a whole lot.

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Speaker 3: And it's screening on Canopy.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, good, excellent. Well that's all we got. We're

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Speaker 2: all done here, Alonso, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 2: on the show today. This was such a delight to get.

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Speaker 3: To my great pleasure. I adore y'all and I was

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01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 3: so glad you invited me to come on.

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Speaker 1: Well, and like, also, everybody go out if you haven't

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01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: gotten it already, or maybe you have the older version,

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01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 1: the twenty ten version. Get the revised and updated version

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Speaker 1: of Alonto's book, How of Yourself a Movie? Little Christmas?

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01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: And I again, it is the Bible for Christmas movies, honestly,

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01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: like you got a you can't. You got so much

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01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: to watch just by flipping through it. And there's a

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01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in there that I didn't even think about.

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01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: So it's an incredible book. Everybody check it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like a hundred titles that weren't in the

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01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 3: first edition, so you this is not just a do over.

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01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 3: You'll be getting a lot more new stuff, even if

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01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 3: you've got the the first go round. And hey, if

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Speaker 3: you want to buy both of them, I won't say awesome.

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Speaker 2: If you're a completionist, make sure you get both of them.

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01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: And hey, this comes out this episode comes out on

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01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: December sixteenth, okay, which means you have plenty of time

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01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 2: to buy this as a Christmas gift for.

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01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 3: People totally, and to start reading it yourself to you

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01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 3: gird yourself for the weeks ahead and for you know,

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Speaker 3: next year.

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Speaker 2: That's right, amazing. Well, thank you all for listening. If

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Speaker 2: you want to write into our show if you need

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01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 2: film advice, if you need a recommendation, need help navigating

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01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:36,480
Speaker 2: a director's filmography, or you need a film gripe resolved.

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01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 2: If you have a film regret, a gripe, or a

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01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: consensual film grop, please write into Deer Movies at exactlyrightmedia

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Speaker 2: under a minute and email it to Deer Movies at

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Speaker 2: exactly rightmedia dot com.

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Speaker 1: and actually I got to say, if you want to

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Speaker 1: give us a Christmas present this year, follow our Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I feel like every time I, every time I force

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Speaker 1: our Instagram. That's wherever the most active. And there's a

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Speaker 1: you know, a little tight crew of people on there

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01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: talking about the movies and stuff which I love. And

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Speaker 1: and he is at Casey Lee O'Brien. And please listen

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Speaker 1: and that is all.

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01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: And Lonza, where else can people find you? Because you

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01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: are also a podcast fiend said you're recording six different

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Speaker 2: podcasts today. I don't know if you heard that before?

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Speaker 1: We Wow, why didn't? So I did not hear that?

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Speaker 3: It's December, you know, this is my life. You can

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Speaker 3: hear me on Linoleum Knife, which I have hosted with

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Speaker 3: my husband Dave wife for fifth teen years now, where

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Speaker 3: we talk about new movies and also who's turn it

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Speaker 3: is to do the dishes. I do the aforementioned Maximum

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Speaker 3: Film on the Maximum Fun Network with Kevin Avery Andrea Clark,

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Speaker 3: Breakfast All Day with Christy Lemire, who is a great

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 3: film critic. We do a YouTube show, but you can

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 3: also hear it as a podcast. And I'm a regular

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01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 3: contributor to the Deck the Hallmark podcast as well. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: you can hear me in all those places. I'm at

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Speaker 3: a Duraldi on Blue Sky, Alonzo dot Duraldi on Instagram

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Speaker 3: and the easiest person on earth to.

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Speaker 2: Google perfects Millie, what are we watching this?

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01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,879
Speaker 1: Oh boy? Oh boy? So this is the last episode

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Speaker 1: that we'll have before the holiday break and are so

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Speaker 1: this next episode will be in twenty twenty six, right.

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Speaker 2: That's correct. We're going on a two week hiatus. People,

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01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: Happy New Year, Happy new It's a wonderful time.

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Speaker 1: But we'll be back in twenty twenty six with I

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Speaker 1: guess this is kind of a tradition now because this

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Speaker 1: is the second year we've done it. We are going

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Speaker 1: to do our annual dry January episode where we talk

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Speaker 1: about movies that have something to do with drinking. And

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Speaker 1: we picked quite a movie about drinking.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you say, Hell yeah, I would say the definitive.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not the definitive movie, but it's yeah, it's in

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Speaker 2: the drinking Movie Hall of Fame, I would say. And

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Speaker 2: that is with Nail and I from nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 2: So you get to hear a lot of fun stuff,

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Speaker 2: including we actually already recorded this episode, so I know

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01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 2: what's going to happen, but you, I can tease it.

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01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 2: You'll get to hear all about my illustrious acting career,

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Speaker 2: and stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 1: And I already said in the episode that if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't post a clip from his reel on our Instagram,

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Speaker 1: I would walk away from I would quit the podcast.

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01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: So he is he is going to post it or else,

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Speaker 1: so check that out.

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Speaker 2: I will, I promise. Well. Thank you everybody. Uh, this

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Speaker 2: was wonderful. Merry Christmas to you all. That's right. Happy holidays,

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Speaker 2: Happy holidays, every Happy holidays. Ho ho ho.

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Millie to Chercho and produced by my co host, Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 3: We love you. Goodbye.