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Speaker 1: What do we have, RSUL, Indeed we do. We got

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Speaker 1: a couple of big intra giop fights that we want

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Speaker 1: The Gilgo Beach serial killer has been caught, at least allegedly.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to Ukraine. I guess that's the hardest pivot

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Speaker 2: Trump was interviewed by Maria Bartriomo over on Fox News Now.

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Speaker 2: He has famously said I can end the war in

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 2: You said you could end the war in Ukraine in

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Speaker 3: Yes, how would you do that?

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Speaker 4: I know Zilinski very well. I felt he was very

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Speaker 6: Well, that's not gonna be enough for Putin to stop bombing.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying

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Speaker 4: in one day. One day.

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Speaker 2: So in the same breath is saying he's gonna have

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Speaker 2: And this is always the issue with Trump is you

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Speaker 2: with Russia while he was president, he broke the Obama

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Speaker 2: not validating the reasoning, just saying though that he did

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Speaker 1: Count on former President Trump to be your anti war here,

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Speaker 2: I saw it in Afghanistan. You know, he had a

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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson jd Vance in some of their more recent

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Speaker 3: This is wrong.

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Speaker 2: The two issues are not connected. First off, pouring money

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Speaker 3: That has nothing to do with Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Half the people now promoting this line now have spoken

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Speaker 3: Love how he puts that one in there.

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Speaker 2: Second Off, the notion that America has no interest in

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Speaker 2: is happening, I think, even amongst the most pro Ukraine

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Speaker 2: people who are involved in those decisions, because it's just

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Speaker 2: the arrogance. It's the arrogance, it's the lack of gratitude.

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Speaker 2: And you know it is on the record statements like

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Speaker 2: this from Ukrainian military commanders being like, you can't tell

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Speaker 2: us what to do, and you know once, yes we can,

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Speaker 2: we quite literally can.

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Speaker 3: Whenever we're the ones we just sang our bills, so

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Speaker 3: we can. We just don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean remember there was a reporting reporting like

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Speaker 1: last summer about how Biden was getting irritated with Zelensky,

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Speaker 1: for exactly this reason, because it was just constant, it

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Speaker 1: was just the sense of entitlement. But to me, the

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Speaker 1: most chilling comments from this UH military commander, this Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: military commander is he says, listen, as soon as I

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Speaker 1: have the means, I'll do something. I don't give a

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Speaker 1: damn nobody will stop me. Yes, And he's.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he is right, He's one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 1: You know, we talked about this with the kirch Straight Bridge,

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Speaker 1: Ukraine taking responsibility for an attack on that bridge this week,

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Speaker 1: and how that contrast with last what was it fall

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Speaker 1: or summer when there was a similar attack on the

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Speaker 1: bridge and there was a little Ukrainian wink and a nod,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't feel bold enough to actually take responsibility

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Speaker 1: for that attack. At this point. Now, between then and now,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've had all these attacks on Russian soil,

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Speaker 1: we direct attacks on the Grumblin and they're there have

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Speaker 1: been no repercussions in terms of all Ukraine has seen

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Speaker 1: is continued escalation of our support. And you know, okay,

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Speaker 1: we will send you the Abram stinks. Okay, we will

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Speaker 1: send you the F sixteen. So okay, we will send

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Speaker 1: you cluster bombs. So from their perspective, they're like, why

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Speaker 1: should we hide it? Why should we do anything other

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Speaker 1: than exactly what we want to do in this conflict. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't blame them. I don't blame them for having

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Speaker 1: that view. I blame us for allowing what is a

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Speaker 1: very dangerous situation to unfold. And the blase attitude that

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Speaker 1: some of these people have about potential nuclear war. I

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Speaker 1: just cannot wrap my head around it. You know, we

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Speaker 1: had an interview yesterday with a former Arkansas governor, Asa Hutchinson,

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Speaker 1: who is a twenty twenty four contender, really grateful for

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Speaker 1: his time, super nice guy, wildly differ from him on

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Speaker 1: a whole variety of issues. But the thing that was

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Speaker 1: most stark to me that he said is, you know,

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Speaker 1: I asked him a question, all right, so what are

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Speaker 1: you concerned that we're going to get into a nuclear war,

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Speaker 1: that we're risky nuclear war? And he said, we risk

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Speaker 1: nuclear war every day?

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Speaker 3: Did we risk it every day? Yeah? I was shocked.

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Speaker 1: That seems like a bad thing. Maybe we should try

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Speaker 1: to decrease that risk. So the fact that we have,

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Speaker 1: you know, from the beginning of this conflict, we have

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Speaker 1: been sounding the alarms about the possibility of sleepwalking into

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Speaker 1: a nuclear conflagration, and every step in this direction, every

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Speaker 1: bit of Ukraine's feeling in Ukrainians feeling emboldened to take

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Speaker 1: these really dangerous actions, risks drawing us directly into this conflict.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there was a potential attack on a

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Speaker 1: NATO country, God forbid, it risks you know, Putin and

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Speaker 1: Russia getting into a desperate situation where they create an

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Speaker 1: escalatory ladder that it's very hard to get out of.

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Speaker 1: And listen, I know that people are not as fun

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Speaker 1: up about the nuclear risk as they were, for example

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Speaker 1: last fall when even Biden was talking about trying to

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Speaker 1: avoid World War three. But make no mistake, this is

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Speaker 1: still a nuclear armed superpower that is facing you know,

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Speaker 1: some at least domestic turmoil and instability, and we need

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Speaker 1: not to take our eye off that ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: It's just one of those where you really shouldn't put

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Speaker 2: it off to the side, because you just add absolutely

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Speaker 2: never know when something could burst to the four I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Ukrainians are one breakthrough away in some

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Speaker 2: cases from actually increasing their risk or vice versa. If

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Speaker 2: they completely collapse and then they resort to some sort

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Speaker 2: of you know, crazy action like a gamble to try

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Speaker 2: and get back into the game.

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Speaker 3: That could increase it.

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Speaker 2: So and you know, in a lot of ways, like

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Speaker 2: the current stasis is probably the safest, but because the

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Speaker 2: universe of options is so big, you know, in war,

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Speaker 2: you never know what's going to happen. There's always risk

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Speaker 2: there on the table as long as the conflict continues.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's always important to keep it at

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Speaker 2: top of mind. And you know, in the most cliche

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Speaker 2: like a phrase of all time, like when people tell

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Speaker 2: you who they are, believe them, like when he says,

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Speaker 2: I don't give a damn what you guys think, believe them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, imagine if you had military, like the US

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Speaker 2: military commander effectively saying this when somebody else was paying

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Speaker 2: our bills and somebody else was like, hey, man, like

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't be doing that. We were acting with such

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Speaker 2: level of arrogance, it would be universally agreed that this

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Speaker 2: is unacceptable. And yet these comments, they just fly completely

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Speaker 2: under the radar.

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Speaker 3: Nobody in the mainstream media, you know, picks it up.

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Speaker 2: And apparently we're the only ones who can read, you know,

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Speaker 2: an obvious interview here, which is actually given in English,

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Speaker 2: just so everybody understands. You know, it's one of those

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Speaker 2: where I don't know why it doesn't get the attention

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Speaker 2: it deserves, but apparently it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we covered when those leaked oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: discord leaks came out and it said in there one

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Speaker 1: of the gating items that was keeping them from launching

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Speaker 1: more attacks on Russian soil was that we hadn't provided

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Speaker 1: them with the weapons to do it. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: our like, this is information our government had. These were

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Speaker 1: intelligence inners who said our government had they knew that,

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Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, we're going to give them a

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Speaker 1: sixteens anyway, it's fine. And so yeah, you like his

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Speaker 1: brazen where I'm going to do what I want to

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Speaker 1: do is totally justified based on the fact that it

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Speaker 1: reminds me when when Hillary Clinton said she went to

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Speaker 1: Wall Street and told them to cut it out, and

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Speaker 1: they're like, okay, ladies, sure, sure, we're going to do that.

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Speaker 1: It's the same deal where you know, we'll send our

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Speaker 1: a little like please don't do that anymore, Yes, please

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Speaker 1: don't do that. We don't like it when you do that.

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Speaker 1: You think that they care, no, because there's no consequences

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Speaker 1: attached to it. So that's where we are.

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Speaker 3: That's well said, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, guys. Yesterday there was actually a pretty significant train

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Speaker 1: derailment outside of Philadelphia. A train, you know, relatively large

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Speaker 1: freight train outside of that city derailed I think ten

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Speaker 1: plus cars of that train off the tracks. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a listen to a little bit of what happened there.

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Speaker 7: Some homes in the Philadelphia area are being evacuated after

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Speaker 7: a train derailment on this Monday morning. Police say a

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Speaker 7: forty car freight train derailed around five o'clock Eastern time,

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Speaker 7: about ninety minutes ago, and at least ten of those

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Speaker 7: cars reportedly came off the tracks.

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Speaker 1: You can see right there.

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Speaker 7: No injuries have been reported, as mac Cruz had been

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Speaker 7: called in. A white substance was reportedly seen leaking from

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Speaker 7: a one tanker, but there's still no word on what's

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Speaker 7: inside the derailed train cars.

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Speaker 1: So that evacuation has since been lifted. Residents have been

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Speaker 1: allowed to return to their homes. But this is yet

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Speaker 1: another reminder that I mean, first of all, the number

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Speaker 1: of derailments that we have in this country is insane

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Speaker 1: and other countries do not have this same like, we're

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Speaker 1: just going to routinely accept that trains come off the

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Speaker 1: track with major risk to life and limb all the time.

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Speaker 1: But it also highlights that we have yet to do

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Speaker 1: anything in response to that horrific trained derailment in East

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Speaker 1: Palastine that led to them lighting the whole thing on

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Speaker 1: fire and exposing all of these residents to some sort

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Speaker 1: of horrific chemical cocktail. The residents of that town may

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Speaker 1: well be dealing with the fallout of those actions for

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Speaker 1: their entire lives. They are certainly right now still dealing

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Speaker 1: with the aftermath of this, but it's slipped out of

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Speaker 1: the news media's attention. And guess what. At the time,

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Speaker 1: the rail lobby basically said, we're going to wait this

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Speaker 1: out and we're going to wait for republic pressure to

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Speaker 1: die down, and then we're going to try to kill

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Speaker 1: any bill that comes forward. And as of today, it

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Speaker 1: kind of looks like that strategy is working. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen, the state of play in

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Speaker 1: terms of what is a bipartisan rail safety effort. The

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Speaker 1: headline here from Politico is GOP discord threatened. Senate response

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Speaker 1: to railway disaster. The rail safety divide within the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party is a micro cosm of its realignment over the

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Speaker 1: past few years. Trump supports it, but other than centermt Romney,

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Speaker 1: the effort gets almost all is GFP support from the

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Speaker 1: party's small yet growing populous wing, and unless the party's

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Speaker 1: establishment gets more fully on board the safety plan that

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Speaker 1: JD Vance shaped with Senator Shared Brown, they're both from Ohio,

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Speaker 1: Ohio colleagues, there may stall out. You only have remember

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Speaker 1: what a big game Republicans talked at the time, about

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Speaker 1: how much they cared about this issue and how much

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Speaker 1: they trash the Biden administration, how they have hearings they

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Speaker 1: know all virtue signaled about how much they cared about

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Speaker 1: making sure that this never happens again. Do you know

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Speaker 1: how many Republicans have now said that they support what

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Speaker 1: is a very modest incremental improvement and rail safety seven seven.

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Speaker 1: That's it. And so you know, again the rail lobby

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Speaker 1: having their way, and they do contribute a lot of

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Speaker 1: money to some of the key members of that party.

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Speaker 1: There's also in the House the situation is even less

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Speaker 1: promising because it's controlled by the Republicans. So in the

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Speaker 1: Senate you have as far as item particulately, all the

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Speaker 1: Democrats on the side of this legislation, which again is

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Speaker 1: very modest. Actually, let me give you the details here.

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen from Bloomberg. This is

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Speaker 1: all that it would do. Would require sensors to detect

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Speaker 1: overheated ball bearings that was a likely cause of that

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Speaker 1: East Palestine crash. Would tighten rules on hazardous cargo and

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Speaker 1: increased maximum fines to ten million dollars. Would require a

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Speaker 1: two person crew on freight trains. Two people. That's it,

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Speaker 1: that's all we're talking about. Labor agreements already require the same.

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Speaker 1: But the Association of American Railroads heads argued that new

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Speaker 1: technology should allow single person crews to operate safely. Think

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Speaker 1: about how gigantic these trains are and you want a

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Speaker 1: single person crew. A study for the group in twenty

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Speaker 1: fifteen estimated railroads could save more than two billion dollars

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Speaker 1: a year using one person cruise a boon to freight

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Speaker 1: giants like Norfolk, Southern or Union Pacific. So they've been

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Speaker 1: pushing for this for a while, and you know Republicans

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Speaker 1: now throwing up objections about how, oh, we can't do

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Speaker 1: this because it would empower the Biden ministry, would hand

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Speaker 1: them more power, etc. I mean, these are really modest proposals,

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Speaker 1: and it's just pathetic that you have so little support

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Speaker 1: for this bill, so that you know that was craft

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Speaker 1: in a bipartisan manner, that was on an issue that

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Speaker 1: everybody seemed to care about at the time. But as

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Speaker 1: the public spotlight has moved on, they feel like they

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Speaker 1: can politically let it die.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, this is the classic story, and

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Speaker 2: actually this is a really good one to analyze the

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Speaker 2: problems in our politics today.

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Speaker 3: So let's go through the details.

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Speaker 2: This is a bill that has been endorsed by the

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Speaker 2: President of the United States, Joseph Biden. This is a

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Speaker 2: bill endorsed by former President Donald Trump. But it is

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Speaker 2: one of the rarest things in the world to have

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Speaker 2: the support of both leaders, ostensibly of each party. And

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Speaker 2: yet despite all the media protestations they care about Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and not East Palestine, all of the savaging of Pete

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Speaker 2: Bodhage Edge, when an actual bipartisan, decent fix to the

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Speaker 2: problem comes to the four, what happens nothing? And in fact,

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Speaker 2: one quote here is perfect from a Republican senator who

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Speaker 2: actually does support the bill quote. JD's gotten the classic

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Speaker 2: run around here, which is we want to work with you,

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Speaker 2: we want to work with you, but then they try

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Speaker 2: and kill it in the committee, and now they're slow

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Speaker 2: walking it to the floor. What I'm told is that

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Speaker 2: there are not sixty votes. They also note people like

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Speaker 2: Susan Collins, the queen of bipartisanship, Lindsey.

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Speaker 3: Graham, he never met a Democrat he doesn't want.

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Speaker 2: To work with to send more aid to Ukraine, are

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Speaker 2: their quote noncommittal.

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Speaker 3: And not one member.

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Speaker 2: Of GOP leadership supports this bill. So that includes John Cornyn,

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Speaker 2: that includes John Thune, Senator Mitch McConnell.

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Speaker 3: None of the.

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Speaker 2: Actual big wigs are actually working to pull this thing.

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Speaker 2: I once again note endorsed by Donald Trump Joe Biden,

672
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Speaker 2: it's got both senators from Ohio, legitimately bipartisan in its

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Speaker 2: introduction and can not even yet get to sixty to

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Speaker 2: actually come to the floor. And the main person responsible

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Speaker 2: for this, honestly is Ted Cruz, who is the head

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Speaker 2: of the Commerce Committee, who tried to kill the bill

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Speaker 2: while it was in mark up and remains the major

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Speaker 2: obstacle to the bill coming to the floor. I actually

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Speaker 2: asked Jad about this whenever he was on our show previously.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 8: The fundamental argument here that Ted made is he doesn't

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Speaker 8: like the fact that the bill gives any discretion or

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Speaker 8: any authority to the Biden administration. Right, Well, the bid

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Speaker 8: admistration forces the laws. So I've been saying for the

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Speaker 8: past three months, and a lot of Republicans have been

686
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Speaker 8: echoing me, that Biden demonstration needs to do more. So

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Speaker 8: here's a piece of legislation that forces the Biden administration

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Speaker 8: to do more. You can't, on the one hand, say

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Speaker 8: they're not doing enough and on the other hand, find

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Speaker 8: a piece of legislation that forces them to actually take action.

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Speaker 8: There's a deeper problem here, which is if you think

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Speaker 8: that we're going to have to fight back against corporate America,

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Speaker 8: against big tech, against the pharmaceutical industry, if you have

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Speaker 8: to do these things, well, the governments pretty much the

695
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Speaker 8: only path in town.

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Speaker 3: That is the representation of the people.

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Speaker 8: That is the entity that has the actual authority and

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Speaker 8: the power to go after something like a big tech

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Speaker 8: or like the railway industry. So you've got to be

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Speaker 8: willing to use the power that the people gave us

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Speaker 8: under this constitutional system. And I understand people are reactive

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Speaker 8: and look, sometimes, of course the government. Oftentimes the government

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Speaker 8: does things that shouldn't do. Sometimes it fights progressive battles

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Speaker 8: that it shouldn't fight. But if we're going to win

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Speaker 8: the argument, we have to be willing to actually use

706
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Speaker 8: the levers of power and use what the people gave us.

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Speaker 8: That's what this fight is all about.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what he lays out there is a theory

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Speaker 2: of government apparently, which is novel to Republicans. Whenever corporate

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Speaker 2: interests are involved, they're like, we'll use the government whenever

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Speaker 2: we want, you know, in order to cut taxes and

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Speaker 2: all of that. But when it comes to regulating one

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Speaker 2: of the industries most benefited by federal dollars in the

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Speaker 2: entire country.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Then we can't be doing anything.

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Speaker 2: Even when dangerous chemicals have leaked out, injured people who

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Speaker 2: were in the area, you know, allegedly for the Norfolk

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Speaker 2: Southern lawyers here, and you know all these pets who

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Speaker 2: allegedly died as a result of this, and who were

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Speaker 2: allegedly poisoned in East Palestine, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ted Cruz, I mean, it is disgusting because

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Speaker 1: he was one of these ones. Yeah, he was happy

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Speaker 1: to go out in front of the cameras and you know,

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Speaker 1: trash peak, trash biden, which we did the same, but

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Speaker 1: we actually meant it, and we actually wanted things to

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Speaker 1: be done to fix the problem so that we can

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Speaker 1: move forward and not have an entire American town poisoned

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Speaker 1: because we failed to take basic precautionary measures like having

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Speaker 1: sensors aboard a giant freight train with explosive chemicals that

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Speaker 1: can poison waterways for like a fifty mile radius. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, he was happy to posture for the cameras

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Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of them alongside him as well.

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Speaker 1: But when it comes down to it, guess what he's

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Speaker 1: going to side with the donor class. He's going to

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Speaker 1: side with big business. And they throw up the most transparent,

736
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Speaker 1: like tired talking points that if you dig one inch

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Speaker 1: deep or don't hold up to scrutiny, and they'll just say, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's too much government, you know what, don't be so

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Speaker 1: stupid about regulation. Yes, some regulation is way over the

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Speaker 1: top and becomes counterproductive and is genuinely an impediment, and

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Speaker 1: you should be opposed to that regulation. I don't care

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Speaker 1: if you're on the right, left, center, whatever. Some things

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Speaker 1: are important for health and safety. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: these rail giants have turned massive profits, record breaking historical profits.

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Speaker 1: They can afford to have two people on their crews,

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Speaker 1: They can afford to install a few sensors on their

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Speaker 1: trains to keep these horrific derailments from happening, and these

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Speaker 1: and you know, one of these other things is just

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Speaker 1: they have to notify officials in the state if their

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Speaker 1: train is carrying hazardous materials so that first responders are prepared.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about such basic, obvious stuff. But

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Speaker 1: rather than get into any of those details, because any

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Speaker 1: thinking person would look at this and go like, well

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. I can't believe we don't have that already,

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Speaker 1: instead of getting into those details, they just handwave away, Oh,

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Speaker 1: we can't give the Biden administration power. It's too much

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Speaker 1: government or in favor of small government. And so we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna wait and sit back and let this whole

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Speaker 1: situation unfold again. It is truly disgraceful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, the bill's not dead yet.

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Speaker 2: It is possible, So you know, I would rarely do this,

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Speaker 2: But if you're one of those people and you know

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Speaker 2: a senator and you live in their state, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe consider actually sending something because you look, I mean,

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Speaker 2: how many senator Republican senators specifically I was a congressional

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Speaker 2: intern once upon a time.

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Speaker 3: The number of boomers who.

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Speaker 2: Are calling in being like, I'm so sick that you're

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Speaker 2: not doing enough to find Barack Obama's birth certificate. That

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Speaker 2: is what these staff assistants and offices have to deal

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Speaker 2: with on an almost daily basis. So I bet they

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Speaker 2: rarely get any mail or a phone call or anything

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Speaker 2: like that. On rail I'm not sure if it would

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Speaker 2: even help. I'm literally just doing this on my own accord,

775
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Speaker 2: but consider it, you know, especially if you're from the

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Speaker 2: industrial Midwest and you have a senate or you know

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Speaker 2: in that or you have a lot of railway that

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Speaker 2: moves through your state, because you know, nobody thinks about

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00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: it until an entire town gets basically, you know, allegedly poisoned.

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Speaker 2: And after that, you know, it becomes a flash in

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Speaker 2: the pan moment and then boom, it's gone. And unfortunately

782
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: it's just business as usual. And these are people who

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Speaker 2: actually want to do something Sharon Brown is a serious person,

784
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Speaker 2: so is Jade Vance. Many of the Democrats and Republicans

785
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: just signed on to this bill. There's a reason the

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00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: former President Trump endorsed it, and there's a reason that

787
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: President Biden endorse it. It's not a joke. It's not

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Speaker 2: one of the rare messaging things. In my opinion, that's

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Speaker 2: why they're trying to kill.

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Speaker 3: It so badly. That's exactly why they're actually try.

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Speaker 1: Because it might actually do something. I mean, god, they're

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Speaker 1: so greedy, they don't want to take a single penny

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Speaker 1: off their bottom line, and they've got all of these

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Speaker 1: duds in their pocket. And you see, you know, their strategy,

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Speaker 1: and this has worked so many times, is just we'll

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Speaker 1: delay it, we'll push it out, and then we'll quietly

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Speaker 1: kill the thing and next thing, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: next time this happens, people are going to turn around

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Speaker 1: and go, wait, I thought you cared about this. I

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Speaker 1: thought you said you were going to do something about it,

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Speaker 1: and as of today, absolutely nothing. So yes, shame and

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00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: pressure these people. Where at seven Republican votes, we need

803
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Speaker 1: like three more in the Senate to get it over

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Speaker 1: the line. Then maybe you know, the House might take

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Speaker 1: it up and feel some pressure to do something as well.

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Speaker 1: It'd be great if President Trump would instead of just

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Speaker 1: sort of tacitly approving it, if he would actually get involved.

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Speaker 1: But as of today, this is, you know, a shameful

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Speaker 1: episode as it stands at this point.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about something that we've been keeping our

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Speaker 1: eye on here, which is a number of states in

813
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Speaker 1: terms of homeowners insurance are becoming virtually uninsurable. It's a

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Speaker 1: huge issue for homeowners, you know, on top of housing

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Speaker 1: costs being out of control, premiums in Florida in particular

816
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Speaker 1: have been absolutely skyrocketing as they have been facing catastrophic

817
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Speaker 1: hurricane after catastrophic hurricane. Some of the most expensive disasters

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Speaker 1: in history have taken place in that state. And so

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Speaker 1: we've got another ensure that is pulling out at the state,

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Speaker 1: making things even more difficult. Let's go and put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. So far has now joined Banker's Insurance,

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Speaker 1: Lexington Insurance, which is a subsidiary of AIG and withdrawing

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Speaker 1: from the market just since last year. So multiple major

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Speaker 1: insurers just pulling out as a market completely. Again, this

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Speaker 1: is not just a Florida problem, a though, it may

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Speaker 1: be the worst in Florida. It is a huge problem

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Speaker 1: in California because of wildfire's huge problem in Colorado, also

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Speaker 1: because of wild fires, Texas, Louisiana. There are a number

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Speaker 1: of states that are really struggling with this. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, these huge floods that we just had in

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Speaker 1: New England are going to exacerbate problems for them there

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Speaker 1: as well. This piece from The Guardian was I think

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Speaker 1: really powerful because they actually talked to some of the

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Speaker 1: residents in the state that are struggling with this, and

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Speaker 1: what they're seeing is that as homeowners insurance is getting

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Speaker 1: completely unaffordable. Normal middle class, working class, longtime residents of

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Speaker 1: Florida are being pushed out. And guess who's coming in

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Speaker 1: to gobble up their homes. It is permanent capital. It is,

839
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Speaker 1: you know, these gigantic Wall Street investors who are snapping

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Speaker 1: up a lot of the Florida real estate that is

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Speaker 1: being made available by these homeowners that are being pushed out.

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Speaker 1: They say in this piece that climate change is threatening

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Speaker 1: the very existence of some parts of Florida. The costs

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Speaker 1: are being felt by Floridians. At the end of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, average annual property insurance premiums had already risen

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Speaker 1: to more than forty two hundred in Florida. That is

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Speaker 1: three times the national average. I saw estimates. I did

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Speaker 1: a monologue on this a while ago that they the

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Speaker 1: estimate is that they're going to see another forty percent

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Speaker 1: increase in homeowners insurance costs just this year. They spoke

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Speaker 1: to one resident I think this guy was in Vero

852
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Speaker 1: Beach who said, none of my immediate neighbors have hurricane insurance.

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Speaker 1: Various of them are now trying to self ensure, meaning

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Speaker 1: they're trying to build up pots of money to pay

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Speaker 1: for possible damages, which is a huge risk and probably

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Speaker 1: will not work. Some of them rejected by citizens, for instance,

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Speaker 1: for not having sufficient storm coverings on their windows and

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Speaker 1: could not afford other insurance to make matters words, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Republican legislature basically gave like giant giveaway to the industry,

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Speaker 1: create a big bailout fund from them. Made it more

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Speaker 1: difficult for homeowners to sue some of these property insurers

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00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: who have been out and out scamming them, especially in

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Speaker 1: the wake of Hurricane Ian. Put this up on the

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Speaker 1: screen from Politico. They say that Hurricane Ian battered these

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Speaker 1: middle class beach communities. Repair costs finished them off. That

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Speaker 1: hurricanes's assault on southwest Florida is speeding a transition already

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Speaker 1: occurring in some of the state's coastal communities, driving out

868
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Speaker 1: middle and working class people, replacing them with deep pocketed buyers.

869
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: In the waterfront cities of Fort Myers Beach and Cape Corral,

870
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: even homeowners with flood insurance are finding they cannot afford

871
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: the cost of rebuilding their houses to modern building codes

872
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: as federal rules demand. And part of that is, as

873
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: I was saying, there was a whole investigation, a series

874
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: of investigations into the fact that many of these homeowners,

875
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: even the ones that had insurance, were basically scammed by

876
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: their insurers, which were these fly by night operations. Since

877
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: the big guys are pulling out of the state, they're

878
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: either giving them pennies of what they actually are owed,

879
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: or they're tying them up in paperwork and not paying

880
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: out at all for the damage that has been incurred

881
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: to their property. So this is a huge deal in Florida,

882
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: but it is a growing deal across the country.

883
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: Really, Solder this is a major senior issue too, So

884
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: I did the math here, So at forty two hundred

885
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: is the average annual premium.

886
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: That's three hundred and fifty dollars a month.

887
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 2: Not vast majority, but a large portion of people who

888
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 2: are seniors rely almost entirely on Social Security their average

889
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: monthly retirement benefit. Right now, for Social Security recipients, it's

890
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: only seventeen one hundred dollars a month. So three hundred

891
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: and fifty of that is just going tough freaking home insurance.

892
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: I mean, just think about the percentage costs. Then you

893
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: include a car payment, and you include a mortgage, or

894
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: you include rent, what exactly you're supposed to eat on,

895
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: you know, especially consider when you have inflation and food.

896
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: So a good reminder save for retirement. But if you're not,

897
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: and you're already in that, you know, in that environment.

898
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: They also quote somebody in that Guardian reference point story

899
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: that you're referencing, quote, my insurance premium went from seven

900
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: fifty to nineteen ninety nine to a little over three

901
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: k last year, before then jumping to four thousand, six

902
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy eight and twenty twenty three, despite the

903
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: fact that I live in an area that has not

904
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: been hit by a hurricane in over one hundred years,

905
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: and quote, I have an itty biddy house. Luckily I

906
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: was able to then get insurance through a state funded program.

907
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: This brought my own premium down to twenty two hundred annually.

908
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: So I think that the answer here is one that

909
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: you know, many Ted Cruz people are not gonna like.

910
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to have some sort of government sponsored

911
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: insurance program.

912
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that people won't have to pay.

913
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that clearly, kicking this to the free

914
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: market it's not gonna work because they're either straight up

915
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: scamming seniors in Florida right in all these scams, or

916
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: raising premiums to such an outrageous level that they are

917
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: untenable for home ownership or for staying in Florida, where

918
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: like it or not, a lot of old people live.

919
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: And if we're gonna have, you know, external factors like hurricanes,

920
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: wild buyers and all these other things become such an

921
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: impediment to a very basic tenant of living, then.

922
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: You're going to have to have some sort of program.

923
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,479
Speaker 2: So it does look like the state has a state

924
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: funded program, the Citizen Insurance Program in Florida the Citizen

925
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: Property Insurance Corporation, which is not for profit insure of

926
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: last resort in the area. We're going to have to

927
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 2: have some federal programs spun up that are at least

928
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: able to support it.

929
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 3: I do like that model.

930
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: Are not for profit insure of last resort so that

931
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: people can get private insurance, better insurance if needed, but

932
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: you can keep an insurance program which is still able

933
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 2: to pay out at a competitive or relatively decent rate,

934
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: you know, if disaster were to strike, but isn't actually trying.

935
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: To turn a profit. Yeah, I mean, I think that's

936
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: almost the only answer. Florida does have that fund. They

937
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: did just limit who is eligible to participate in that

938
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 1: Insurer of Last Resort. Colorado legislature legislators have been talking

939
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: about how residents are calling them begging for them to

940
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: institute a similar program because they're part of Colorado, especially

941
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: parts that are more wildfire prone that you know, are

942
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: completely unensurable and you've got residents who are really desperate.

943
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: California they have a fund set up as well, but like,

944
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: let's be really clear, this is going to be a

945
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: tremendous cost. Tremendous cost for states, for taxpayers, if you

946
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: have a federal government program for you know, the federal government.

947
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: This is going to be a huge cost, especially as

948
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: the climate crisis continues to work. So, I mean, we're

949
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: in the middle of this massive heat wave. I'm talking

950
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: about one hundred and eighteen degrees in Phoenix today. We

951
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: just had these huge floods and you know, listen, you

952
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: can't tie all of these things and say one hundred

953
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: percent this is because of the climate crisis. But we

954
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: can see the way that one in one hundred year

955
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: floods are coming like every year. Now. You can see

956
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: the way that these massive catastrophes just fallow one on

957
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: top of another, and say, we know that this is

958
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: not normal from what we've experienced even in the recent past.

959
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: So it's going to continue to escalate as a major

960
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: issue and a major cost of not mitigating the climate crisis.

961
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: And you know, you're leaving a lot of homeowners high

962
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: and dry and making it very difficult for them to

963
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: stay in communities that they have lived in, you know,

964
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: for literally decades. They're being pushed out right now for

965
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: a lack of any sort of comprehensive plan to really

966
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: deal with this.

967
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I do think it's a major

968
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: cost issue, specifically with the insurance problem in California and

969
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: in Florida. And you know, if anything, it's even a

970
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: bigger problem right now in Florida because Florida has so

971
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: much net in migration, so we have a lot of

972
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: people who are moving to the state.

973
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: I think that's great, you.

974
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: Know, cost of living, all of that, having fun, I guess,

975
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: enjoying the weather, and for those people though, a need

976
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: to make it sustainable, especially for newer transplants and for

977
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: future retirees who have always enjoyed the state. So this

978
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: I think is really a retirement and age issue as well,

979
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: to try and make it affordable, because you can't be

980
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: saddling people up with crazy amounts of debt, you know,

981
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: in their last years while they're around with us.

982
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, think it's really important.

983
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: Let's go over to UFO has been dying to get

984
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: into this topic, and you know, we finally.

985
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 3: Have a newspeg. So some big stuff that's been happening

986
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 3: in the last couple of days.

987
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: On top of an announcement, Let's go ahead and put

988
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: this up on the screen. Senator Schumer and Mike Rounds

989
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: are introducing new legislation to declassified government records related to

990
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: unidentified anomalists phenomena aaka UFOs modeled actually after the JFK

991
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: Assassination Records Collection Act. By the way, I guess I

992
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: have to do this now. My fiance does work for

993
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: Senator Schumer, so full disclosure. But whenever we're looking at

994
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: this legislation, the most important language is one that jumps

995
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: out immediately, and that is specifically about quote non human intelligence.

996
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: So let me read directly from the text of the

997
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: bill here. The term non human intelligence means any sentient, intelligent,

998
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 2: non human life form, regardless of nature or ultimate origin,

999
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: that may be presumed responsible for unidentified anomalist phenomena, or

1000
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: of which the feed federal government has become aware. So

1001
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: specifically written in the text, now, in terms of the

1002
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: UAP phenomenon, here's how they describe it. Quote means any

1003
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 2: object operating or judged capable of operating in outer space,

1004
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: the atmosphere, ocean surfaces under sea, lacking prosaic attribution due

1005
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: to performance, characteristics and properties not previously known to be

1006
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: achievable based upon commonly accepted physical principles. Unidentified anomalist phenomena

1007
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: are differentiated are both attributed and temporarily non attributed objects

1008
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: by one or more of the following observables. Instantaneous acceleration

1009
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: of absent apparent inertia, hypersonic velocity, absent thermal signature, and

1010
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: sonic shockwave trans mediums such as space to ground and

1011
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: air to undersee travel positive lift contrary.

1012
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: To known aero dynamic principles.

1013
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: Multi spectral signature control physical or invasive biological effects to

1014
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 2: close observers.

1015
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: And so this is spelled out straight up in legislation.

1016
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: We're talking here about the freaking Senate majority leader who's

1017
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: including this, and this would ride as an amendment onto

1018
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: the NDAA, which is what funds the entire Pentagon. So

1019
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 2: this is the strongest and most clear language to date

1020
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: that has come from Congress. Congress is fed up after

1021
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: the whistleblower allegations of Dave Grush that came out, the

1022
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: Pentagon continues to obfuscate.

1023
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: They basically called him a liar. We'll see.

1024
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: I absolutely don't think so, considering what the even Inspector

1025
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: General of the Intelligence community said about him, said that

1026
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: he has a credible and highly sensitive and timely allegations

1027
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: that are being put forward. You can go watch the

1028
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: interview that he did with Ross Kultrut yourself if you

1029
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: want to judge for how credible he is.

1030
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 3: I found it incredibly compelling. But put that aside.

1031
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: Now we're talking here about actual Congress and hearings putting

1032
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: people under oath. So let's go to the next part here, please,

1033
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: where the White House was actually asked about this yesterday

1034
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: and the spokesperson that the spokesperson himself, John Kirby, had

1035
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: this to say, some of.

1036
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 9: These phenomena we know have already had an impact on

1037
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 9: our training ranges. For you know, when pilots are out

1038
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 9: trying to do training in the air and they see

1039
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 9: these things, they're not sure what they are, and it

1040
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 9: can have an impact on their ability to perfect their skills.

1041
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 9: It's already had an impact here, and we just want

1042
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 9: to better understand it.

1043
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: Now.

1044
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 9: We're not saying what they are, what they're not. We're

1045
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 9: saying that there's something our pilots are seeing. We're saying

1046
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 9: it has had an effect on some of our training operations,

1047
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 9: and so we want to get to the bottom of it.

1048
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 9: We want to understand it better.

1049
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: So, yes, I don't understand it better. On top of that, Crystal,

1050
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: we got some big news here. Let's go ahead and

1051
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. The House Oversight

1052
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: Committee will hold a hearing on UAPs. This is from

1053
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: Representative Tim Burchett on Wednesday, July twenty six, So that's

1054
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: going to be next week. Already doing some planning and

1055
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: some interesting stuff that'll be happening now in terms of

1056
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: that hearing and who's going to testify, there's still a

1057
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: lot of questions about it. According to Ross, quote the

1058
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: Representative Andre Carson. We've played actually some clips about him before.

1059
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: He was the first UAP hearings that were held in Congress.

1060
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 2: He's a Democrat from New York. He says that he

1061
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: would actually love to get Dave Grush to the hearing

1062
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: before the House Permanent Select and Intelligence Committee on Intelligence.

1063
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: But quote, he is currently in the minority, so we'll

1064
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: see how that works. So we don't yet know who

1065
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: the wetnesses are going to be before the Oversight Committee.

1066
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: I should also note, you know Burchett himself, he's a believer.

1067
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: This guy knows a lot about Roswell, the history, so

1068
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 2: he's been one of the people pushing for this behind

1069
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: the scenes. But overall, I would say that this is

1070
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: a victory in terms of getting transparency and answer from

1071
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 2: these lawmakers.

1072
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: I mean, to have the.

1073
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: Senate Majority leader put a writer like that in Congress

1074
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: is just extraordinary.

1075
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 3: I mean you heard the terms that I use.

1076
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, hopefully it will become reliteral law of the

1077
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: United States. So to have that out in writing and

1078
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: demanding answers, that's pretty big.

1079
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: So I have a few questions for you. So with

1080
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: that whole list that you read off that's in the

1081
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: amendment here right, that you know, trans medium, biological effects

1082
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Speaker 1: and supersonic hypersonic speedy or whatever, like, where does that

1083
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: come from?

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00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 3: Well, oh, well they come you mean in terms.

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Speaker 1: Of like where do they get that particulars reports?

1086
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we've played a lot of video

1087
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: here before about that show some of these alleged ins.

1088
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: It's not exactly, but in terms of the witness reports

1089
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 2: that have come out from Ryan Graves, from David Fraver

1090
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: and other a lot of them report objects that appear

1091
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 2: to defy the laws of physics that you can see

1092
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: that are on video. Trans Medium is one that's been

1093
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: reported for a long time from people in the US

1094
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: Navy and in the US Air Force specifically being able

1095
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: to go ser a seed to air almost seamlessly, and

1096
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: in some cases even reporting seeing things that were under

1097
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: the ocean and trans medium actually would make sense if

1098
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: you had some sort of not even propellant, because that's

1099
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: probably the wrong way to think of it in terms

1100
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 2: of the way that these things move, but it would

1101
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: make sense in terms of the way that something that

1102
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: does defy the current laws of physics would have to

1103
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: be able to theoretically move between these and the medium itself.

1104
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: Air or sea should not matter, as it would to

1105
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 2: like a conventional jet engine. That's where they get the

1106
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 2: term from.

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00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: The thing with Kirby is confusing to me because he

1108
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: probably has like the highest classification level you can possibly have,

1109
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: so doesn't he already have access to everything there is?

1110
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's true. I mean, that's what

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00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 3: Dave Dave Grush really.

1112
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I know a lot of people who

1113
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: have very very high top secret clearance. And one of

1114
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: the reasons why it's called TSSCI top Secret Secret Comparliament

1115
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: compartmentalized information is because it's compartmentalized. It's a need to

1116
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: know program so, I mean, I've said it before John Podesta,

1117
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: who's a freaking White House chief of staff. They have

1118
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: something I believe it's called Yankee white that is the

1119
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 2: highest clearance that you can get whenever it's the President

1120
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: of the United States and core national security people around him.

1121
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: He tried to find out and they wouldn't tell him.

1122
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: If he's the one who's trying to find out, what

1123
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: are you supposed to do? Bill Clinton is on the

1124
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: record say quote, I am embarrassed to say that I

1125
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: tried to find out and I couldn't really get to

1126
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: the bottom of it.

1127
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, when he was the president. So, I mean, there's

1128
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: a show in the UK.

1129
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: This is more akin to their system called like yes minister,

1130
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: And what it effectively boils down to is in the

1131
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 2: UK because the government is constantly like changing, but whoever

1132
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: the secretary of what are they call exchequer whatever in

1133
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: terms of their treasury secretary, so their treasury secretary is

1134
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 2: constantly like moving in and out as an elected member

1135
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: of Parliament, but there's a permanent bureaucracy that the permanent

1136
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: bureaucracy is always like yes minister, absolutely will get on

1137
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: there and they just do whatever they want yeah, because

1138
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: they're the ones who are actually in the permanent government.

1139
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: That's how they think of a government, whereas we kind

1140
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: of tend to think of it as elected. And while

1141
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: you would want us to live in a more directly

1142
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: responsible system, the truth is that the deep state and

1143
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 2: all these things are real.

1144
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: And then my last question on this is like, if

1145
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: if John Kirby can't get answers, how hopeful are you

1146
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: that this effort to declassify these documents is going to

1147
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: actually yield any real results.

1148
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: I think it's about pushing. I mean, let's think about

1149
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 3: the Church Committee.

1150
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: The Church Committee, and a lot of people don't know

1151
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: about this, but back in the day, the Church Committee

1152
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: was an extraordinarily important event because they exposed all the

1153
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: wrongdoing of the FBI and the CIA and the intelligence

1154
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 2: community which was completely out of control on domestic stoil

1155
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 2: from the nineteen fifties to the nineteen seventies.

1156
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 3: You want to know.

1157
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: Why that we even knew anything about it. It's because Crystal,

1158
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: a bunch of militants broke into an FBI warehouse and

1159
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: stole some papers. And because of that, we got this name,

1160
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: and we said, hey, what the hell is this name?

1161
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: Co intel Pro based on Cointel Pro mk Ultra, and

1162
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: all of that was only as a result of people

1163
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: knowing what terms to FOYA, which then FOYA is the

1164
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: Freedom of Information Act for people who aren't nerds like me,

1165
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: and then was able to come and be analyzed by

1166
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 2: the Church Committee. And these guys were in the Oversight Committee.

1167
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: They had no idea about what was going on here.

1168
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: The point here is about public pressure about people like Grush,

1169
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 2: who sees people like us talking about this, Jeremy Corbel

1170
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: Ross and out there and say, hey, you know, I'm

1171
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: looking at some stuff which directly contradicts what this guy

1172
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: is saying in Congress, and I feel pretty compelled to

1173
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: come out and to talk about it. So do I

1174
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: think Congress is going to get the answer?

1175
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 3: No?

1176
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 2: Will it inspire though maybe more Dave grutches somebody even

1177
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: with even more compartmentalized information to come forward.

1178
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 3: Will it may be inspire.

1179
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: And I'm not advocating this, to be clear, a future

1180
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: mission like what happened with mk Ultra and co intel

1181
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: Pro about literally going and stealing documents to try to

1182
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: figure that out, Maybe it'll inspire next Daniel Elsberg, it's

1183
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 2: just about starting the conversation, and I think that that's.

1184
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: What we'll do. And it also it exposes lies.

1185
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 2: So you know, our current committees, we've gotten Sean Kirkpatrick,

1186
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: this guy on the record being like, yeah, these things,

1187
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: we don't have any possession of these of these technol

1188
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 2: So if it turns out to be true, he's a liar.

1189
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: I mean, no, I'm not saying it's suffering consequences. Remember

1190
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: when Clapper lied to Congress about the It's not like

1191
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: anything happened, but you know he did at least for

1192
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: some people. He can always point to his credibility in

1193
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: the future public shop.

1194
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he's on video.

1195
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: He literally lied, like he lied bald faced to the Congress.

1196
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: So I think we very likely would be able to

1197
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: see that with this topic.

1198
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: I think I think I'm really excited about it.

1199
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to try and attend to hearing myself just

1200
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: to see exactly what's going on, because I do think

1201
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: that this one, this one could be a big one

1202
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: in terms of what we're able to get on the

1203
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: record to the public, and then the combined with the

1204
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: legislation itself, if it does pass, would really be extraordinary.

1205
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So I wanted to give you an

1206
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: update on a huge break in a case that you

1207
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: know was basically a cold case for more than ten years.

1208
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: This is the Gilgo Beach serial killer. Police say that

1209
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: they have caught and apprehend handed the man. Let's go

1210
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: and put up on the screen what we know about him,

1211
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: and then I'll give you a little bit of the

1212
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: backstory here. The man they've identified and arrested is Rex Hureman.

1213
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,479
Speaker 1: They say he is suspect in Gilgo Beach Killing's little

1214
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: life of chaos and control. He was painstaking in his

1215
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: Manhattan professional pursuits, but at home in Massapequa Park he

1216
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: left neighbors discomfident. So they paint a portrait in the

1217
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: New York Times of a man who was an architectural consultant,

1218
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: worked with you some well known entities. His professional reputation

1219
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: was that he was very fastidious, almost over the top

1220
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: attention to detail, which some of his clients apparently appreciated,

1221
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: and some of them he was, you know, a sort

1222
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: of irritated them the level of attention to detail and

1223
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: obsessive focus that he had. But interestingly, his neighbors really

1224
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: had a very different feeling about him, and tried to

1225
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: avoid him and gave him the creeps. For lack of

1226
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: a better term, one neighbor, mister Firshaw, said, I was

1227
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: not surprised at all when he was arrested because of

1228
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: all the creepiness. Mister Firchaw recounted several run ins with

1229
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: his neighbor, none pleasant. There was the time he said

1230
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: hello to him as he was cutting wood and mister

1231
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: Huerman responded by slightly silently glaring back between chops of

1232
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: his splitting mall. Another neighbor who has lived in that

1233
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: neighborhood for ten years, has a friend who lives behind

1234
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: mister Huerman. Sometimes mister Schmidt would visit his buddy, have

1235
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: a few beers in the backyard, look out at the

1236
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,479
Speaker 1: sagging Huerman house and say he probably has bodies there,

1237
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: so obviously giving off some really weird vibes. There was

1238
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: another instance where that same neighbor, mister Schmidt and his

1239
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: friend resolved to take their kids treating at his house

1240
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: just to get a look inside. There was surprise when

1241
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: mister Human answered the door gave each child a small

1242
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: plastic pumpkin, But when they got home, mister Schmidt's wife

1243
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: was like there is no way in hell you're letting

1244
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: our children eat that candy based on who it came from,

1245
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: and threw it in the trash, made him throw it

1246
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: in the trash. It's also a weird incident where he

1247
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: stole oranges from a whole foods that were meant for kids.

1248
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: So anyway, there was a really mixed picture of this guy,

1249
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: I guess consistent with the idea that he was really

1250
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: living and leaning two lives. He was married. He has

1251
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: one report I saw said one child, another said two children.

1252
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: His daughter worked with him at the architectural firm. He

1253
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: was arrested, you know, outside of that firm. But part

1254
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: of what makes this, you know, something that we wanted

1255
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: to go into here is that this case was basically

1256
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: dead and this was horrific. We're talking about ten years ago,

1257
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: roughly more than ten years ago. They found four bodies.

1258
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: Then they started to really, you know, look more extensively,

1259
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: and they found remains of up to sixteen different people

1260
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: in this area near Gilgo Beach. Put the next piece

1261
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: up on the screen. But there was a huge corruption

1262
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: issue in the local among the local police officers, and

1263
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: so they didn't want to work with the FBI. Because

1264
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: the head dude was actually under investigation by the FBI

1265
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: for corruption, for the fact that he beat up some

1266
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: suspect and then got everybody to cover it up and

1267
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: lie about it, etc. So he didn't want to work

1268
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: with the FBI, so he let the case drop, and

1269
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: so it didn't come back up and get close to

1270
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: any sort of conclusion until they brought in a new

1271
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: police chief. There was also another element here where because

1272
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: the women who were brutally murdered and their bodies left

1273
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: in this area of the beach, they were mostly they

1274
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: were escorts on Craigslist, and they had moved to New

1275
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: York from other areas, and so they were seen as

1276
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: sort of like not that important and became not that

1277
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: high a priority for the people who were involved. So

1278
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: it was a really horrifying look at who people actually

1279
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: care about and who they thought mattered. So snoopleice chief

1280
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: comes in decides because there's new technology related to DNA

1281
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: evidence that maybe she could have another crack at solving

1282
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: this case and being able to bring to justice this

1283
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: Long Island serial killer. Also, this woman really had an

1284
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: understanding of how much even if the news is horrible

1285
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: and families find out that you know, yes this was

1286
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: my daughter and yes this was her killer, that that

1287
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: sort of revelation can at least bring some closure to

1288
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: the family. So she was really committed to that and

1289
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: ultimately is able to sort of break this case open.

1290
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: Ye know, there was a pizza crust and DNA evidence

1291
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: that was involved and matching his truck with a truck

1292
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: that was seen at one of the scenes of the crime,

1293
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: and they were able to bring the alleged killer to justice.

1294
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of the craziest things that I've

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Speaker 2: read in terms of the serial killer kind of discourse.

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Speaker 2: I think that the worst part about it, as you said, Crystal,

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Speaker 2: was that it was a cold case for so many years,

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Speaker 2: which really does if they're able to catch them also

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Speaker 2: based on old witness testimony and doing the basic groundwork

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Speaker 2: of looking at car registration and then eventually taining DNA.

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Speaker 3: I mean, presumably all of that existed a decade ago.

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Speaker 2: So don't the police really have a lot to answer

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Speaker 2: for here as to why. I mean, you know, look,

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Speaker 2: if it was development of a technology that didn't you know,

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Speaker 2: exist to you're okay, fine, but you know, world wasn't

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01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: that different in twenty twelve, Like It's like whenever we

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01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: saw a witness statement and then they were checking car

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01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: registration records, if anything, they would have been current at

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Speaker 2: the time, rather than having to go retrospect. It's not

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Speaker 2: like DNA also didn't exist also, and then all you know,

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Speaker 2: I always am I always am of two minds whenever

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01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: I think about neighbors and witnesses and all this, because

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01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: on the one hand, like I've got some weird neighbors.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean you're a serial killer. But you know, if.

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Speaker 2: Somebody is joking about bodies in a basement and then

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01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: also making people throw candy away, and then you have

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Speaker 2: multiple instances also of you know, the report Crystal that

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Speaker 2: his interior designer said that he had a chamber inside

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Speaker 2: of his basement that he wouldn't let anybody go into.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is where things get just get sketchy,

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01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 2: to the point of you probably should alert somebody. At

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01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: the same time, like, look, there's always an innocent explanation.

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Speaker 2: He said it was for guns. I know gun people

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Speaker 2: who've got gun rooms. I guess they wouldn't let a

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Speaker 2: lot of people into them, So you know, maybe that's

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Speaker 2: what they were just willing to brush it off. But

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Speaker 2: I think the fact that you had to bring in

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Speaker 2: a new police chief after a decade to really just

1329
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 2: do some very basic leg work here is really an

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Speaker 2: awful look for this area.

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Speaker 3: And you know, you got to think about to the victims.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know, this is very common unfortunately, and a

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Speaker 2: lot of these serial killer cases is they just target

1334
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: you know, the underclass people like prostitutes and escorts, and

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Speaker 2: nobody's going to miss them. A lot of them are runaways,

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01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: they're not as much of a high priority. They don't

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Speaker 2: have their family members beaten down the door in order

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01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: to get their cases solved.

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Speaker 3: And you know, they're the ones who are victimized the worst.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we sometimes as a society pay attention to

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01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: them really whenever they get killed.

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Speaker 3: But you know, just these are really just you know,

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Speaker 3: the outliers.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of them who you know, get raped

1345
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: or mistreated or terribly abused on literally on a day

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01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: to day basis, and nobody ever really looks or even

1347
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Speaker 2: cares about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. I mean you had some people who

1349
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Speaker 1: were involved in this case who basically olwrights and like, oh, well,

1350
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Speaker 1: we're lucky that it was no one who really mattered

1351
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: I mean, there was. It was horrific some of the

1352
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: things that they said in the attitude towards this case

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01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: because of who these women were. But these women were

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: a lot more than just you know, an escort to

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Speaker 1: be discarded with. These were mothers, these were daughters. These

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01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: were people who had hopes and dreams and aspirations and yeah,

1357
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: maybe struggling at that particular point in time in their life,

1358
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,439
Speaker 1: but they were human beings who really mattered. So there's

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Speaker 1: there's that piece of it. There's the part of like

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01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: who society cares about and who these police cared about

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01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: to actually try to identify their killers and think about

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01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: all these years that went by, like we don't know

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Speaker 1: that this maniac, this bloodthirsty killer wasn't continuing to murder

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Speaker 1: girls during this time. So there's also the piece of like,

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: you could have saved lives if you had gone aggressively

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Speaker 1: after this and actually tried to close this case. Let

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Speaker 1: me just tell you because that the other piece about

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Speaker 1: that the corruption aspect of this really speaks to an

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Speaker 1: abusive power and like a power trip piece too. So

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Speaker 1: here's the details. They say that the former chief of

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Speaker 1: the police department in Suffolk County who was the one

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Speaker 1: that had the corruption issues. His name was James Burke,

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Speaker 1: and he was the one who really sort of let

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Speaker 1: this case drop because you didn't want to work with

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Speaker 1: the FBI. The reason was the Justice Department was investigating

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01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: him for corruption. In late twenty twelve, a year after

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01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: assuming control of the Suffolk Police, mister Burke assaulted a

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Speaker 1: man who was being held for a parole violation. The

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Speaker 1: parole whose name is Christopher Lobe, had been brought on

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: suspicion that he had stolen a bag from the police

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01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: chief's car that contained pornography and sex choys. Mister Burke

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Speaker 1: then pressured detectives who saw him beat this man deny

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Speaker 1: that they saw the attack. Even the Suffa County District Attorney,

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Speaker 1: Thomas Spoda, helped with that cover up. Eventually, both of

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01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: them were convicted of conspiracy, and Suffolk County became notorious

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Speaker 1: as one of the nation's most corrupt law enforcement jurisdictions.

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Speaker 1: So the other piece of this is, you know, these

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Speaker 1: these guys who felt like the rules didn't apply to them,

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Speaker 1: They felt like they were the law. They thought that

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Speaker 1: they could abuse their power and engage in a cover

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Speaker 1: up and get away with that. The fact that they

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Speaker 1: had their own personal issues of corruption is part of

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Speaker 1: why they did not aggressively look to, you know, to

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Speaker 1: solve this case and just let it linger for years

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Speaker 1: and years while vulnerable women continue to be at risk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's why the public is involved

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01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: in it. You know, it's not always grizzly details and

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01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: they're always so interested. It's always just a question of

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Speaker 2: about does something like this happen? You know, it really

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Speaker 2: is a tragedy. And yeah, I'm glad that we actually

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Speaker 2: spent some time on these because you know, sometimes people

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Speaker 2: and I see this all the daily mail, and all

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Speaker 2: these people are having a field day in terms of like, oh,

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01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 2: like I said, interior designer, guess what I read it.

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 3: I had to you know, I had to know.

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Speaker 2: But we're trying to think about this from a systemic

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01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 2: level of like police screwed this up, the people were

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01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 2: responsible for protecting and then also people were the most

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01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: vulnerable amongst us in our society very often just get

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Speaker 2: disregarded and then when they get killed, you know, nobody

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01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: takes a notice. That's why cases allowed to languish for

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Speaker 2: a decade when apparently it really wasn't that difficult to solve?

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Speaker 3: And who knows, maybe somebody else could have been saved.

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01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: Apparently there's still pulling bodies and remnants and all those

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01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 2: things out of his residence. So it's really gross. It's

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Speaker 2: very sad, Crystal, what are you taking a look at?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 1: Extreme heat alerts are blanketing the country right now as

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Speaker 1: a brutal heat wave punishes the west and the southwest

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Speaker 1: of this nation. Particularly hard hit is the state of Arizona,

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01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 1: where sidewalks have reached temperatures high enough to cause contact

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01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: burns death. Valley May now notch a new record for

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Speaker 1: the highest temperature ever reliably recorded, and Phoenix broke its

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Speaker 1: daily record with a high temperature of one hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighteen Now these record breaking temperatures are causing misery for

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Speaker 1: the homeless and for outdoor workers in construction, package delivery,

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Speaker 1: and farming. They are also exacerbating a problem that has

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Speaker 1: been many years in the making. Dwindling water supplies. High

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Speaker 1: temperatures from climate change plus a long term drought also

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Speaker 1: likely caused by climate change, are drying up rivers, groundwater,

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01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: and reservoirs at an increased pace. In fact, this water

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Speaker 1: crisis has gotten so dire that Arizona has decided to

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Speaker 1: ban additional construction in certain Phoenix neighborhoods to try to

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Speaker 1: slow the depletion of this absolutely vital resource. Now, these

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: Western water wars have been escalating in every state in

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Speaker 1: that part of the country, and they often pit rural

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: residents who need water for irrigation with growing urban centers.

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Speaker 1: But in Arizona, a new foe and new battle lines

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01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: are being drawn because, as the Washington Post reports, and

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Speaker 1: as we've discussed here before, one of the main consumers

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01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,799
Speaker 1: of water in the state doesn't have urban or rural

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Speaker 1: Arizona roots, or even American roots at all. A giant

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Speaker 1: agribusiness with ties to the Kingdom of Saudi Ira is

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Speaker 1: guzzling up Arizona's water at a stunning clip. Here's the

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: Washington Post quote. A mega drought has seared Arizona, stressing

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Speaker 1: its rivers and reservoirs and reducing water to a trickle

1447
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: in the homes of farm workers near this desert valley.

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Speaker 1: But greenfields of alfalfa stretch across thousands of acres of

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Speaker 1: the desert land, shimmering in the burning sunlight. Wells draw

1450
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: water from deep underground, turning the parched earth into verdant farmland.

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Speaker 1: For nearly a decade, the state of Arizona has leased

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01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: this world terrain west of Phoenix to a Saudi owned company,

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01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: allowing it to pump all the water it needs to

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01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 1: grow the alfalfa hey, a crop it exports to feed

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01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: the Kingdom's dairy cows. Now in their own home country,

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01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: the Saudis have actually banned growing water intentsive crops like

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Speaker 1: alfalfa in order to protect their own limited water resources,

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Speaker 1: So in order to feed their cows, they've turned to Arizona,

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01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: exploiting the state's water usage laws to suck up vast

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: quantities of local groundwater, and for years they have faced

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Speaker 1: next to no scrutiny, even nyeing Arizona's the ability to

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01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: know just how much water they are actually using. The company,

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Speaker 1: Fondamante Arizona, aggressively lobbied the legislature and the governor, hiring

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Speaker 1: key people with high level connections. One of their top

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Speaker 1: lobbyists had served as finance chair for the Arizona Republican Party,

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Speaker 1: and as if that wasn't enough, they put a former

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Speaker 1: Republican member of Congress on their payroll as well. Now

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01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: it made some sense to target Republicans first of all,

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01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: until quite recently the state was reliably read. Second of all,

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01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: their pitch landed with free market conservative types who viewed

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Speaker 1: water as part and parcel of the property rights of landowners,

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01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: rather than as a public resource to be managed collectively.

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01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: Perfect example of how companies and foreign governments have figured

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Speaker 1: out how to use our own free market ideology against us. Now.

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01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: The company also took advantage of the relative poverty of

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01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: the county that their farm is in to attempt to

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01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: foster goodwill. They donated few thousand dollars the local high

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01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: school for sports programs, pony up the cached by White

1479
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: paint needed for a local landmark purchased company branded face

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01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: Mass for local distribution during the COVID pandemic. The patoes

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01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: for them, but a big deal for a local community

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01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: that was starved for funds. In this program of buying

1483
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: politicians and buying local goodwill, it worked for years, but

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01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: as drought, heat, and scarcity had become urgent problems, the

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01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: company has come under some increasing scrutiny. Accordingly, the new

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01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: Democratic governor, Katie Hobbs, has signaled a tougher line. In

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01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: assign of mounting pressure, the company was forced for the

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01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: first time to reveal just how much water it is

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01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: actually sucking up, and the number is pretty shocking. They

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01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: announced they had used sixteen thousand, four hundred and fifteen

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01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,600
Speaker 1: acre feet of water in a single year. Now, from perspective,

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Speaker 1: that's equivalent to the water usage of an entire city

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01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: of fifty thousand people. Just this one company. It's enough,

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01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: as the Post put it, to cover twelve thousand, five

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01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: hundred football fields with a foot of water again in

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01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: a single year. And this did not go to feed,

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01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: bathe or cool human beings. It went to feed cows

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01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia because that country has wisely decided to

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01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: conserve their own resources, while of course guzzling ours. Goes

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Speaker 1: without saying that in a drought strictened state, this astonishing

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01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: level of water usage is a threat local farmers and

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01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: city dwellers are facing alike. In fact, it's already having

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01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: major impacts locally, where wells are running dry and the

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01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: very workers who tend those alfalfa fields have to whul

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: buckets of water for showers and cooking. According to a

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01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: proposal that the Post was able to get their hands on.

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01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: Governor Hombps is considering taking significant action, potentially even blocking

1508
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: Fondamante's land leases when they expire. It's not so easy

1509
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: to take on big business, so if she does, she

1510
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: should definitely be applauded. We need a whole mental shift, though,

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01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: on how these questions are handled. How do we handle

1512
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: competing interests in a time of resource scarcity, what core

1513
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: interests need to be protected from the whims of the

1514
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: free market, and who should our economy and regulatory environment

1515
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: actually be set up to serve. As our world warms

1516
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: and disasters become more common, more devastating, these questions are

1517
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 1: only going to become more difficult to resolve, and the

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01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: stakes that much more catastrophic. Sager really fits with the

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01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: conversation we had earlier about property owners insurance and how

1520
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: just and.

1521
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: If you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1522
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot Com.

1523
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 1: All right, sorry, were looking at well.

1524
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 2: Perhaps the most frustrating part of the entire war in

1525
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: Ukraine to me is how much it has scrambled the

1526
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 2: minds of American voters and American foreign policy elites to

1527
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 2: our priorities. Walking around Washington today, you would think that

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01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 2: the year is nineteen sixty one, that our principal adversary

1529
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 2: is Russia, that the booming center of the world is

1530
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 2: Central Europe, which is both economically dynamic prospering and a

1531
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 2: sure bet to pay major economic dividends for our relationship

1532
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 2: in the years to come. Basically, none of that is

1533
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 2: true anymore. You can think that Ukraine is important for

1534
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 2: your own reasons if you want, but here's the truth.

1535
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: Whether Kiev remains under Ukrainian hands or Russian hands has

1536
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: zero impact on our way of life. Ukraine in twenty

1537
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 2: nineteen was our sixty seventh largest trading partner. Russia was

1538
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 2: our twenty sixth. This isn't even to say that shouldn't

1539
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 2: help Ukraine. It is simply a truth though, that it

1540
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter that much to us. Same with Russia.

1541
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: It is only important because of its nuclear weapon status

1542
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 2: and oil reserves. And as we have all found out,

1543
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 2: we can effectively blockade the entire country and it will

1544
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 2: not change anything about the way that we do business here.

1545
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 2: So why are we spending some ninety percent of our

1546
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 2: foreign policy thinking and obsession over Ukraine and Russia. The

1547
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 2: answer is two. Part One is we share a long

1548
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 2: cultural heritage with Europe. Many Americans are of European descent.

1549
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: Of course, our histories are long intertwined, going back to

1550
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:33,799
Speaker 2: our founding.

1551
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 3: We fought side by side in two Great.

1552
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 2: Wars, and the United States saved the entire continent from

1553
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 2: Hitlerism and Soviet Communism. Two, though, is frankly a Russian

1554
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: obsession infecting the entire American foreign policy elite. It goes

1555
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 2: back to the Cold War had gasoline poort on the

1556
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: fire by Russia Gate. Post Trump, those two conditions have

1557
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 2: created the perfect storm. All the dreams of the old

1558
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: Cold War hawks are being fulfilled. Americans are being gas

1559
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: lit into thinking are most important global relationship is with

1560
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 2: the European continent. From NATO to the EU to the

1561
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: bilateral meetings that our President Biden spends all this time on.

1562
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 3: It is Europe, Europe, Europe.

1563
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 2: And yet by almost every available metric, Europe has never

1564
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 2: mattered less to the United States. Note at the beginning

1565
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 2: of this monologue, I said Ukraine or Russia does not

1566
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 2: impact US.

1567
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 3: It does impact Europe though it's their land.

1568
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 2: They have long shared bad blood, and frankly, if it's

1569
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 2: a problem, it's really only a problem for them.

1570
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 3: And yet, as I've covered here ad nauseum, they don't

1571
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 3: pay for it. We pay the vast.

1572
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 2: Majority of expenses of the Ukrainian military that we remain

1573
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 2: the main diplomatic interlocutar, even though it matters the least

1574
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: to us. The trend is only going in the wrong direction.

1575
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 2: NATO is expanding, meaning our obligation to defend even more

1576
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: European territory is somehow extending, And how is the continent

1577
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: that we are apparently wasting so much time and money

1578
01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 2: protecting even doing Europeans are poorer than ever before, and

1579
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 2: they only getting even more so. As the Wall Street

1580
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: Journal Rights quote, Europe's current predicament predicament has been long

1581
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 2: in the making. An aging population with a preference for

1582
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: free time and job security over earnings has ushered in

1583
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 2: years of lackluster economic and productivity growth. Then came a

1584
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 2: one to two punch of the COVID nineteen pandemic and

1585
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 2: Russia's protracted war in Ukraine. It's actually very simple. They

1586
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: have huge welfare states, they don't make very many goods.

1587
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: They also don't innovate very much. Most of their energy

1588
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 2: also came from Russia. Zoom ount and it's clear. The

1589
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: Eurozone economy grew six percent over the last fifteen years,

1590
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 2: the United States has grown by eighty two percent. Now, look,

1591
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 2: America's got a lot of problems, but ours mostly boils

1592
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: down to proper distribution of our riches rather than being

1593
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,799
Speaker 2: actually poor in the aggregate. As the journal so aptly

1594
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 2: puts it, quote, if the current trend continues, by twenty

1595
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: thirty five, the gap between economic output per capita in

1596
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: the US and EU will be as large as that

1597
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 2: between Japan and Ecuador today. I will take the action

1598
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,480
Speaker 2: on that, considering the state of politics on the continent. Meanwhile,

1599
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 2: let's check in on the rest of the world. You

1600
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 2: couldn't see a more different picture. A new demographic analysis

1601
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 2: shows that by twenty fifty, people above the age of

1602
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: sixty five and older will make up forty percent of

1603
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 2: the entire European population. For context, as Time notes, this

1604
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: is twice the current old population of Florida. It effectively

1605
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 2: will become a retirement colony, as will the major countries

1606
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 2: in East Asia, including China, Japan, and South Korea. So

1607
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 2: who's actually growing now, As the chart shows, by twenty fifty,

1608
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 2: the countries with the largest working AIG shares of population

1609
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: will be South Africa, me and mar India, Bangladesh, the Philippines, Pakistan, Kenya, Indonesia, Egypt,

1610
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 2: and Ethiopia. So basically South Africa, North Africa, Southeast Asia

1611
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 2: and India. How much time do we spend thinking about

1612
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 2: our bilateral relationships with these countries the importance that they

1613
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: have to the current and the future of US economy

1614
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 2: and our way of life. Already it is clear the

1615
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 2: top ten trading partners of the United States in twenty

1616
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: twenty two, whereas follows Canada, Mexico, China, Japan, Germany, South Korea,

1617
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 2: the UK, Taiwan, India, and Vietnam.

1618
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 3: Already it means six out of the top.

1619
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 2: Ten trading partners that the US has are in Asia,

1620
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 2: only two or in Europe compared to the rest of

1621
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 2: the world.

1622
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 3: This is already the case.

1623
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: Asia is forty five percent of global GDP, double the

1624
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 2: measly GDP of Europe, and by twenty thirty, the current

1625
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 2: projection shows that Asia will become a full fifty one

1626
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 2: percent of global GDP, Europe shrinking down to eighteen percent.

1627
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 2: People think I have something personal against Europe. They would

1628
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 2: be right if we were just talking about food and coffee.

1629
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 2: In reality, I have a problem with people who cannot

1630
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 2: do math. You can only pursue existential risk and effort

1631
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: when that risk is existential to you. If you think

1632
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 2: of it like business, you would never allocate so much time, effort,

1633
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 2: and money towards a dying share of your business. You

1634
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 2: would look clearly at trends and you would allocate resources

1635
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 2: both for reality today and for the future. If we

1636
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: do not change course soon, our future is obvious. We

1637
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: will end up like Europe, irrelevant to the affairs of

1638
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 2: the world, arrogant writing our cultural co tales from the past,

1639
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 2: and worst of all, vulnerable to the wants of whomever

1640
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 2: controls Asia. And you know, I was just thinking about

1641
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 2: a crystal in terms of you know, a lot of

1642
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: people misunderstand.

1643
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue,

1644
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot Com.

1645
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 2: Joining us now is Ali Beth Sucky. She is the

1646
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 2: host of a relatable It's a great show. We're gonna

1647
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: have a link down there in the description Ali, we

1648
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 2: decided we wanted to talk to you after you put

1649
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 2: out a reaction to this video about Andrew Tate, the

1650
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 2: Tucker interview and really about conservative embrace of Tait as

1651
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: a figure. We're going to play a little bit of

1652
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 2: this video and then we're going to get reaction.

1653
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 3: Let's take a look.

1654
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 5: What are you charged with? That's a really good question.

1655
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 5: I'm charged with being the head of an organized criminal

1656
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 5: group which is in charge of recruiting girls to make

1657
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 5: TikTok videos. BA face charges which include human trafficking, rape,

1658
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 5: and forming a criminal gang to sexually exploit OnlyFans.

1659
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 3: Is the best hustle in the world. Are they accusing

1660
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 3: you of using violence or.

1661
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 5: No, accuse me of using the lover boy method cohersing

1662
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 5: them by being nice. So yeah, on cover taktook call

1663
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 5: my my PhD program, and that is a PhD is

1664
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 5: a pimp and hose degree gotam that teaches basically how

1665
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 5: I got girls, how I met girls, how I got

1666
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 5: girls to like me, how I got girls to fall

1667
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 5: in love with me, to work on webcam for me?

1668
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 2: And so Ali, after that video, you put out this,

1669
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 2: she said quote Andrew Tate is evidence that the right

1670
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: can be as easily deceived by empty platitudes and virtue

1671
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 2: signaling as the left. All the true things Tate says

1672
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: about social issues are just virtue signals to cover for

1673
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 2: his degeneracy. And I was curious, you know, to get

1674
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: your perspective on this as a conservative woman kind of

1675
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 2: in our media sphere, and all of that as reaction,

1676
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 2: not to the interview itself, although maybe, but really Andrew Tate,

1677
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 2: some of the embrace that we've seen out there.

1678
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 10: I understand the appeal of Andrew Tate to a certain degree.

1679
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 10: Like if you look at the political landscape, I think

1680
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 10: a lot of young men, a lot of young single men,

1681
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 10: maybe they feel emasculated or they feel definitely at the

1682
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 10: bottom of the intersectional totem pull over the past few years,

1683
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 10: and so to hear someone they think represent masculinity and

1684
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 10: strength and tell them that the problem is progressive is

1685
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 10: the problem is feminism. You need to take responsibility, you

1686
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 10: need to be strong, you need to work out all

1687
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:44,719
Speaker 10: of these things.

1688
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 6: Okay.

1689
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 10: I understand that some of the critiques that he has

1690
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 10: of society, certainly of leftism. I would probably agree with

1691
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 10: some of the things that he tells men to do like,

1692
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 10: be strong, take responsibility whatever. I can understand the attractiveness

1693
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 10: of that mesas a method or message to a lot

1694
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 10: of young men. However, he is charged with trafficking. He

1695
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 10: is charged with rape. He is charged and has admitted

1696
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 10: on tape several times that he has manipulated young women.

1697
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 10: In one video, he slips up and he says, oh,

1698
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 10: you know, it's normal for fifteen sixteen. I mean, wait,

1699
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 10: it's the age of consent eighteen year old girls to

1700
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 10: come and work for me.

1701
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 6: And how he.

1702
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 10: Does it is he gets them to fall in love

1703
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 10: with him. He promises them some kind of future relationships,

1704
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 10: some kind of long term commitment, has sex with them,

1705
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 10: and then after that uses another woman to convince this

1706
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 10: girl to then do webcam work for him, and then

1707
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 10: takes over half of their money. And he says this

1708
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 10: repeatedly on tape on camera. He's not ashamed of it,

1709
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 10: or hasn't been ashamed of it, I guess, until he

1710
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 10: was charged recently, and he calls it a pimp and

1711
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,719
Speaker 10: this degree he calls himself a pimp.

1712
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 6: And so I can't speak to Romanian law.

1713
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 10: I don't know exactly what's going to happen in this case.

1714
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 10: But at the very least, the very very least, he

1715
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 10: is not a hero. He's not someone just because he

1716
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 10: says some true things sometimes should be hoisted up in

1717
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 10: any way as an exemplar of virtue or strength or morality.

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01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, like he.

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01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 10: Is a very dangerous, narcissistic dork who has attracted a

1720
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 10: lot of attention for just being a degenerate that makes

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01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 10: himself sound virtuous.

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01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 1: We have another clip from that Tucker interview that I

1723
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 1: wanted to get you to react to Ali because you

1724
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: know his defense and what his supporters will say is, oh,

1725
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: the reason that they arrested him. They're going after him

1726
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: some matrix. Right, He's saying things that are dangerous and

1727
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: so they're trying to take him down. Let's take a

1728
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 1: listen to how Andrew himself framed this in that interview.

1729
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 5: The overall understand my understanding of it. They're saying that

1730
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 5: human trafficking is when you convince a woman to do

1731
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 5: something she doesn't want to do for financial gain. And

1732
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 5: there's different methods you can do that. You can do

1733
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 5: that through force, and you can also do that through

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01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:17,560
Speaker 5: emotional cohersion.

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Speaker 7: I think most people are just speaking from the American perspective.

1736
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 7: Most people believe that human trafficking is effectively slavery selling

1737
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 7: human being and.

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Speaker 5: That's what I believe as well. Absolutely. And this is

1739
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 5: the thing that's so interesting. When you finally end up

1740
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 5: the enemy of the matrix and they use the legal

1741
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 5: system as a weapon to punish you for having an opinion,

1742
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 5: you realize how subjective the law is, right, because it

1743
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 5: can be a weapon when you have something subjective, you

1744
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 5: can just pick and choose. So they sit and say, ah,

1745
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 5: human trafficking is a woman doing something for financial gain

1746
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 5: against her will via emotional cohersion. Well, he knows these

1747
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 5: two girls, they have TikTok emotional coersion convincing her. That's

1748
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 5: what I'm accused of, because they have no proof of

1749
01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 5: me doing anything wrong.

1750
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to me like in another context

1751
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: a lot of conservatives would describe emotional coercion as grooming.

1752
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 1: So that's one piece. But I wanted to get you

1753
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: to react to this Matrix piece because you know, in

1754
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: your comments you were talking about how the left has

1755
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: this vulnerability to virtue signaling, which as member of the

1756
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: left I've spoken out against, and that there's a similar

1757
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: vulnerability on the right. People are susceptible to kind of

1758
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: taking mental shortcuts, and so if he sort of signals

1759
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: some of the right things and then the people you

1760
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: hate seem to be against him, then that's enough of

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01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: like a proof that he's actually on your side. Could

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01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: you talk about, you know, where the some of the

1763
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 1: specific vulnerabilities are on the right, because I just have

1764
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: fewer insights, fewer sort of like intel into that world.

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01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think they're right because we are so often

1766
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 10: demonized by the mainstream, whether it's the mainstream media, or

1767
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 10: whether it's Hollywood, whether it's the so called elites, whatever,

1768
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 10: however you want to define that, the people in charge

1769
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 10: of the major corporations, the tech companies, academia.

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Speaker 6: All of that.

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01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 10: We're we kind of, I think, get embarrassed by only

1772
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 10: being represented by like Christian conservatives. So when someone throws

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01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 10: us a bone, when someone who doesn't fit this standard

1774
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 10: mold of conservative, some you know, white Christian conservative who

1775
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:19,759
Speaker 10: espouses all these traditional values, we kind of get excited.

1776
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 10: We're like, oh, maybe this person is going to make

1777
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 10: us cool. Maybe maybe it's not just the religious writer,

1778
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 10: maybe it's not just Christian conservatives who have the same

1779
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 10: ideas about feminism or masculinity or family or whatever as

1780
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 10: we do. So when we get like one comedian or

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01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 10: one celebrity or one person who happens to express a

1782
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 10: kind of heterodox, almost conservative opinion, like, we get really

1783
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 10: excited about that, and we like, you.

1784
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 6: Know, put them on some kind of.

1785
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 10: Pedestal as our hero, and then we always end up

1786
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:52,520
Speaker 10: being disappointed.

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Speaker 6: The same thing kind of happened with Kanye West. Not

1788
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 6: comparing Kanye.

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01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 10: West and Andrew Tate, but that's the principle that I'm

1790
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 10: talking about here, so I think a little bit of.

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Speaker 6: That is coming into play.

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01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 10: But then, of course, when you add on top of

1793
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 10: it that I think Andrew Tate much better than some

1794
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 10: of the other celebrities that the right kind of clings

1795
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 10: on too so hastily. He really does understand the language

1796
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 10: like he does understand the concerns of a lot of

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01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 10: conservative or at least non leftist young men.

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01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 6: I think he is in some ways.

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01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 10: Very different and as I said, degenerate version of Jordan Peterson,

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01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 10: and that he appeals to like very real emotions, very

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01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:44,520
Speaker 10: real feelings of loneliness, of lack of value, of disrespect

1802
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 10: of being kind of lost in the world and wanting

1803
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 10: to feel value, feel purpose, feel like you're adding something,

1804
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 10: feel like you're pushing back against darkness, like he really.

1805
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 6: Appeals to that.

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01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 10: And because he says things that are true, and because

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01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 10: he captures that like pathos so quickly, which is really

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01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 10: the sign of like a good communicator, the rest of

1809
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 10: this stuff just kind of gets justified. They either say, well,

1810
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 10: it's just part of his persona, or that's lacking context somehow,

1811
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 10: or it's he's joking or whatever it is. But look,

1812
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 10: it's difficult to detach yourself from someone who has emotionally

1813
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 10: appealed to you and kind of placed himself in the

1814
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 10: position of mentorship.

1815
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 6: So I think that's what happens to.

1816
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 10: A lot of young men who have become kind of

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01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 10: his disciples.

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Speaker 2: If you will, Ali, let me hate you with another one.

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01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 2: I hear this all the time, which is, why are

1820
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 2: you spending time even going after someone who is tangentially

1821
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 2: aligned with us. You're doing the left job for them.

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01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 2: I've rejected that, but I'm curious. You know, I think

1823
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: you're probably someone more in the movement than me. What's

1824
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 2: your response to that type of criticism.

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01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 10: Yeah, I wouldn't say that he's aligned with me at all.

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01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 10: Like I'm sure that there are some people on the

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01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 10: laft to say things that I agree. There are probably

1828
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 10: some people who espouse the tenets of gender ideology, which

1829
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 10: I think are extremely destructive, especially for children, that might

1830
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 10: say something sometimes that I agree with. I'm still going

1831
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 10: to criticize them when they say something that I not

1832
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 10: only disagree with but vehemently oppose. And look, I'm a

1833
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 10: I'm a Christian conservative and so or a conservative Christian.

1834
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 6: Maybe that's the better way to say it.

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01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:29,959
Speaker 10: So to me, when I'm thinking about truth and goodness

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01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 10: and beauty, the things that I want to aspire to,

1837
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 10: the things I want society to aspire to, I see

1838
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,719
Speaker 10: Andrew Tate as just as far from that is any

1839
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,600
Speaker 10: you know, secular left wing person espousing and ideas that

1840
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 10: I don't like, Like I see his promotion of pornography,

1841
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 10: of basically polygamy or at least from men anyway, and

1842
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 10: just moral rot. It's just as dangerous, just as destructive

1843
01:30:55,280 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 10: as any form of like, of any form of progressivism.

1844
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 3: That I like.

1845
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 10: And so when I am trying to aspire to hire things,

1846
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 10: good things, I mean, it doesn't really matter what the

1847
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 10: ideology is of the people who are opposing those hiring

1848
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 10: good things, but as long as they are opposing them, And.

1849
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:15,560
Speaker 6: So I see Entrewtaate.

1850
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 10: As just as much of an enemy to those good

1851
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 10: things the society should be aspiring to as any enemy

1852
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 10: that I may.

1853
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: Have on the left.

1854
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 3: Got it?

1855
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: And Ali, what's the reaction to your comments been, because

1856
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: he obviously does have very hardcore group of defenders. But

1857
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there were a few things that

1858
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: struck me. First of all, obviously, this is coming at

1859
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: the same moment as like the sound of Freedom discourse,

1860
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of anti groomor discourse on

1861
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: the right. So there's that piece of like, you've got that.

1862
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, you're out and out defending

1863
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: a man who was actually accused of human trafficking. And

1864
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: then the other thing that struck me is just a

1865
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: little bit of research. You see, he is just out

1866
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: and out lying about what the charges and the allegations

1867
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: against him are. And listen, he deserves stay in court.

1868
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: We'll see what evidence he brings to be beart et cetera.

1869
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: There are seven different victims whose text messages they have

1870
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 1: who you know, have spoken to the prosecution about the

1871
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 1: coercion that was used. He is. There is physical violence

1872
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: that is alleged. There is rape that is alleged. There's

1873
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, creating fake debts and keeping these women basically

1874
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: in hawk to him and to his brother that is alleged.

1875
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: So even just the you know, the basics of what

1876
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 1: he was spinning Tucker on are out and out false.

1877
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 3: Why is it?

1878
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: Why is it sort of difficult for people to see

1879
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 1: that in this context?

1880
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right.

1881
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 10: I mean, he's admitted to fraud, and fraud is one

1882
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 10: of the things that they look for when they're looking

1883
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 10: for is this person actually trafficked?

1884
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 6: Is this person actually a victim?

1885
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 10: You don't actually have to be And we don't know

1886
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 10: necessarily if there was physical violence that was used, But

1887
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 10: he's admitted on tape to committing fraud, to line to

1888
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 10: these women, to keep them basically trapped in these kind

1889
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 10: of webcam agreements. I was, you know, I'm a fan

1890
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 10: of Tucker, A big fan of Tucker. I think that

1891
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 10: he has done a lot of good and telling a

1892
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 10: lot of truth, and I think it's fine that he.

1893
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 6: Interviewed Andrew Tate I think reporters.

1894
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 10: Journalists are supposed to interview all kinds of controversial people,

1895
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 10: whether you agree with them or not. But there were

1896
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 10: a lot of lies told in that interview that could

1897
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 10: have been caught that I mean that there was a

1898
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 10: lot that I think could have been pushed back on

1899
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 10: this as Okay, you say that they're not charging you

1900
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 10: with violence, but look right here, like we're talking about rape.

1901
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 6: You say that there are.

1902
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 10: No women who say that they're victims, but look right here,

1903
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 10: we actually have allegations or accusations of having seven victims.

1904
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 6: And so, I don't know.

1905
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 10: I think that it's just a refusal to see things

1906
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 10: as they are, a refusal to kind of get out

1907
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,120
Speaker 10: of this idea that the enemy of my enemy is

1908
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 10: my friend and just see things as from a truthful perspective.

1909
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 10: And yeah, I think that people just don't want to

1910
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:12,680
Speaker 10: give credence to anything that they view as a progressive,

1911
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 10: I don't know, perspective or a feminist perspective. You ask

1912
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 10: the reaction, I think most people probably agree with me.

1913
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 10: I think most conservatives probably agree that Andrew Tait is

1914
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 10: a degenerate that shouldn't be voiced up as a hero.

1915
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 6: But There are definitely people who have called me a

1916
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 6: feminist a misinterest.

1917
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 10: Oh, feminism has infected my mind just as much as

1918
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 10: any far leftist, which is just so funny. And so

1919
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 10: there's that, there's always going to be that, there's a.

1920
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 6: Lot of thoughtlessness and yeah, that's just kind of how

1921
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 6: it goes.

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01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's how it is to relate in public discourse.

1923
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 3: You've got this show relatable.

1924
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 2: We'll have a link. As I said in the description,

1925
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,559
Speaker 2: we really appreciate your time. I really enjoy talking to.

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01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 6: You, so thank you, thanks so much, thanks for having me.

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01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, pleasure.

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01:34:55,720 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 3: All right, guys, we will see you all later. The

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Speaker 3: Crisis

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Speaker 1: Inducted to Pulic School