Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Spirited Actor Podcast with me
Speaker 1: Tracy Moore. I was a casting director for film and
Speaker 1: TV and commercials for over thirty years. I transitioned to
Speaker 1: a celebrity acting coach after I cast a film New
Speaker 1: Jersey Drive with executive producer Spike Lee and director Nick Domez.
Speaker 1: I auditioned every rapper from Biggie Smalls to Tupac, and
Speaker 1: I realized that rappers and musical artists they needed help
Speaker 1: transitioning to acting. My clients consist of musical artists from
Speaker 1: Buster Rhymes to Eve, Missy Elliott, Angela Yee from The
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club, and Vanessa Simmons, to name a few. I
Speaker 1: also coach sports stars and host as well. I feel
Speaker 1: I have the best of both worlds. As a casting director,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what they're looking for, and as an
Speaker 1: acting coach, I can coach you to be remembered in
Speaker 1: that room. Now I know, I know actors want to
Speaker 1: get the job. I get that, but being remembered by
Speaker 1: casting director that is powerful. And now it's time for
Speaker 1: meditation of the day. Don't be nervous, work calmly, joyously,
Speaker 1: recklessly on whatever is in hand. Henry Miller, I just
Speaker 1: want to say to you guys that again, the joy
Speaker 1: is in the journey and anything that you are pursuing
Speaker 1: in life, but specifically speaking to actors, the joy is
Speaker 1: in the journey. You have to learn to extract the goodness.
Speaker 1: You may not have gotten that role, but continue to
Speaker 1: embed in your mind that there is a role out
Speaker 1: there for you. The problem that I see, the challenge
Speaker 1: that I see in my experience with actors is that
Speaker 1: it's easy to just go within and tear yourself and
Speaker 1: rip yourself apart when things don't go your way or
Speaker 1: you don't get that role. Understand, Timing is everything, and
Speaker 1: so blessed, so grateful to have Joe Morton on the
Speaker 1: show today because as much as I wanted him in
Speaker 1: the beginning of Inside the Black Box and I wanted
Speaker 1: him to go, today was the day for him to
Speaker 1: come on, and what a phenomenal day it was. Timing
Speaker 1: is everything, and it's not always in your time. Learn
Speaker 1: to appreciate love the time in which you have to
Speaker 1: work calmly to keep building the truth in your mom
Speaker 1: that there is a role out there for you, that
Speaker 1: you are pursuing a career in which you will attain
Speaker 1: as a working actor. Today, I will not let useless
Speaker 1: thoughts occupy my mind about my path. Before we get started,
Speaker 1: I'd like to remind everyone to look out for my
Speaker 1: new show, Inside the Black Box. I'll be co hosting
Speaker 1: with the great Joe Morton. We'll be on Crackle Network
Speaker 1: real soon. I'll keep you posted. Welcome to the Spirited
Speaker 1: Actor Podcast with me Tracy Moore. You are in for
Speaker 1: a spectacal treat today. You need to get whatever you
Speaker 1: have that you document information, pen and paper, recorder, or
Speaker 1: your phone, whatever. This is a monumental podcast.
Speaker 2: I have been waiting for this podcast. I've been praying.
Speaker 1: What I do know in this process is that it's
Speaker 1: all in timing, and timing is always perfect. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to a phenomenal actor.
Speaker 2: You all know him so much love When you bring up.
Speaker 1: His name, his work, I don't want to. I want
Speaker 1: to give him every second of this podcast because he
Speaker 1: drops so many jewels.
Speaker 2: You'll need treasure chess to collect all the info that
Speaker 2: he's giving you right now. So, without any further ado,
Speaker 2: I'd like to introduce you to my friend, my partner,
Speaker 2: my ride.
Speaker 3: And die mister Joe importantly, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1: Hello, I'm so happy you are here, Joe. I knew
Speaker 1: that the day was going to come, but I was
Speaker 1: just patient when that day was going to be.
Speaker 2: So and Joe, like people are craving right now.
Speaker 1: I just want you to know if I have the
Speaker 1: black Box every single moment, and that just brings so
Speaker 1: much joy.
Speaker 2: But we're going to talk about that first. I want
Speaker 2: to start with you.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about one of the questions that
Speaker 1: I asked on the show is that did you choose
Speaker 1: acting or did acting choose you?
Speaker 2: Where did it begin.
Speaker 3: It's a little difficult to answer that question only because
Speaker 3: I entered Hosting University as a psychology major. They took
Speaker 3: us around the canvas to show us what that was
Speaker 3: going to be like. And then she goes into the
Speaker 3: theater and they put on a skit about what our
Speaker 3: first year was like. I don't remember anything about the skit.
Speaker 3: I don't even think it was very good. But when
Speaker 3: that skit was over, I couldn't get up out of
Speaker 3: my seat. I sat in that theater looked at the worklight.
Speaker 3: I have been writing music on guitar and writing songs,
Speaker 3: and I thought to myself. I liked doing that. Maybe
Speaker 3: I could be an actor. So eventually I got up
Speaker 3: out of my seat, walked to the registrar's office, and
Speaker 3: changed all my majors from psychology to drama.
Speaker 4: So I guess the answer to your question is acting took.
Speaker 2: Me and what was it?
Speaker 1: Because I know I have an experience in my life
Speaker 1: where at twelve years old, my mother took me to
Speaker 1: on our Broadway in San Francisco for Colored Girls who
Speaker 1: considered suicide. When brambo Is enough into Zaki Shange and
Speaker 1: A Scott was the director changed my life. I was like,
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing, I want to be a part of
Speaker 1: it in some way, and then the rest is history.
Speaker 2: What was that moment like for you?
Speaker 4: The very first play I saw was Early.
Speaker 3: Victorious, and at that time I didn't That was in
Speaker 3: high school and I wasn't thinking about acting at all.
Speaker 3: I think what changed it for me was the very
Speaker 3: first acting class I had.
Speaker 4: I'd never been an actor before, and I remember sitting
Speaker 4: down next to this.
Speaker 3: Young one young man who showed me his equity card,
Speaker 3: already showed me his SAG card, you showed me his
Speaker 3: whatever other union cards he had, and then asked me
Speaker 3: if I ever had acted before, and I thought to myself,
Speaker 3: I must be in the class school of professionals.
Speaker 4: I'm really really being very stupid right now.
Speaker 3: And the teacher got up and she gave us whatever
Speaker 3: kind of improv that she wanted us to do. And
Speaker 3: when I finished the improv, I loved every second of it.
Speaker 3: I thought, Oh, well, clearly this is what I meant
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 1: So in training, right, because you dropped so many tools
Speaker 1: on the show, and just in conversation that I have
Speaker 1: with you, I want you, from your perspective to tell
Speaker 1: these actors because what I find in classes and a
Speaker 1: lot of them my capting director friends, is that like,
Speaker 1: after the class, you're supposed to get I guess, a
Speaker 1: contract to an episodic.
Speaker 2: Or a leading role in film, and I respect Like.
Speaker 1: I grew up in New York City in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: three Negro Ensemble Company, National Black Theater, So I grew
Speaker 1: up around actors that I saw weren't focused on the
Speaker 1: fame and making it. They were more focused on, you know,
Speaker 1: Adolph Caesar, the solid work of their Yeah, so can
Speaker 1: you speak to these people?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when young actors come up to me.
Speaker 3: They always, you know, say well how do I get started?
Speaker 3: I always usually say get some training. Go go someplace
Speaker 3: and get training. If you wanted to be a doctor,
Speaker 3: you have to go to medical school. If you want
Speaker 3: to be a carpenter, or somebody has to show you
Speaker 3: how to use those kind of tools. The same thing
Speaker 3: is true with acting. You have to learn what the
Speaker 3: tools are, how to use them, and you have to
Speaker 3: be trained otherwise what may or may not happen is
Speaker 3: you you then begin to just rely on your own
Speaker 3: personal charisma, and that may get you to a certain point,
Speaker 3: but then after that you have no place left to
Speaker 3: go in that you've given yourself, no engine in which
Speaker 3: to drive forward. All you've given yourself is a place
Speaker 3: to go around and around the circles, doing the same
Speaker 3: old thing. Whereas what training allows you to do is
Speaker 3: break down a script, even decide whether or not you
Speaker 3: want to do that script. You know, what contribution do
Speaker 3: you think you can give to this story? And in
Speaker 3: playing whatever character, let's say your agent or you decide
Speaker 3: you want to try out for which is another thing.
Speaker 3: Actors often feel like the agent says, well, here's the
Speaker 3: script and here's the character.
Speaker 4: That they want you to read. It's very It makes
Speaker 4: absolute sense to me for an actor to say, I'll
Speaker 4: read the character that they're asking me to read, but really,
Speaker 4: you know what, I like this character over here much better,
Speaker 4: and I think I could do a better job and
Speaker 4: actually pursue both those things. I mean that happened to me.
Speaker 4: There was a series called Equal Justice.
Speaker 3: Thomas Carter was the director producer, and when I went in,
Speaker 3: they had a character that they wanted me to read,
Speaker 3: and I said to Thomas, I'll read it for you.
Speaker 4: I said, but this lawyer is somebody I really understand.
Speaker 3: And eventually Thomas let me read it because they couldn't
Speaker 3: find anybody else that they liked. So when I finally
Speaker 3: read it, he took and this was like what nineteen
Speaker 3: Jesus seventies. And he was having a hard time because
Speaker 3: his fear was if he takes this television drama and
Speaker 3: he puts a black man at the lead, that the
Speaker 3: the audience will will will perceive it as a black show, right,
Speaker 3: So so that was his that was his problem.
Speaker 4: Fortunately he gave me the part. We did two seasons.
Speaker 3: But again I made the choice in terms of saying
Speaker 3: them yes, I'll read this other character for you, but
Speaker 3: this is a character I'm really interested in.
Speaker 4: And then brought that to.
Speaker 2: Four So you said something I love.
Speaker 1: You said contribution, you know, and making decisions as an
Speaker 1: actor to the work. What is the contribution that this
Speaker 1: for you? What was the contribution in A Brother from
Speaker 1: Another Planet?
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you know, for me to.
Speaker 1: As an audience, because that you know, I was it
Speaker 1: was early in my casting career.
Speaker 2: But watching that film, there's.
Speaker 1: Certain films in the history of filmmaking, American history of
Speaker 1: filmmaking that's Edge in Stone, and that's a film that's
Speaker 1: edge in Stone. Generationally, you know, that's I'm sure ninety
Speaker 1: nine percent of the time, that's the first thing people
Speaker 1: hit you with where they talk to you, right, So
Speaker 1: that is beyond legendary. What what was that film like
Speaker 1: for you? Because we had never seen anything like that before.
Speaker 3: No, when I when I was told about the script,
Speaker 3: it was described in a way that didn't make any
Speaker 3: sense to me. And then when I was actually given
Speaker 3: the script and read it, I thought, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 3: John actually has written a character that is black but
Speaker 3: knows nothing about what it means to be in the
Speaker 3: United States in Harlem and be black.
Speaker 4: So what he's allowed the audience.
Speaker 3: To do is go into a community that they also
Speaker 3: don't know and learn as he learns. So that was
Speaker 3: that was for me, the big contribution of this film
Speaker 3: and of this character that this guy had to learn
Speaker 3: as he went along.
Speaker 4: He had to learn.
Speaker 3: I mean, the one thing that I do with that
Speaker 3: character is he never understood the handshake. Every time somebody
Speaker 3: extended a sand with the handshake, he had no idea
Speaker 3: what to do with that. It didn't make any sense
Speaker 3: to him. But on the other side of things, he
Speaker 3: was also looking for his own people who had also escaped.
Speaker 4: For those young people who don't know the film. Basically,
Speaker 4: the film.
Speaker 3: Is about a black slave that runs away from his
Speaker 3: planet and makes his way to Earth as an escaped slave,
Speaker 3: and is then pursued by two characters, one played by
Speaker 3: John Sales, the other by David Stetherin in order to
Speaker 3: recapture him and take him back something that's very familiar
Speaker 3: to us in our history, which is again what John
Speaker 3: was doing. And so that to me was the hope
Speaker 3: that I had for this film. It's interesting because at
Speaker 3: the time, I think one of the major critics said
Speaker 3: that he wished that John would take his homemade movies
Speaker 3: and keep them in New Jersey. But that was that
Speaker 3: was a sign of the times.
Speaker 2: Right, wow, right, that's true to.
Speaker 4: Have a black to have a black man.
Speaker 3: Because at one at one point in the film, he
Speaker 3: discovers that these kids who live in his building are
Speaker 3: are shooting dope, and he doesn't understand one why you
Speaker 3: would do that, So he actually shoots up some step
Speaker 3: himself to understand what the experience is. And then once
Speaker 3: he understands the experience, he then sets out and and
Speaker 3: kills the dealer. So again he becomes someone who he
Speaker 3: goes from someone who is learning about the world that
Speaker 3: he's in to someone who actually becomes active in that world.
Speaker 1: And ladies and gentlemen, what's so brilliant about the film
Speaker 1: is he does not speak at all.
Speaker 3: He does not speak at all, right, not a single
Speaker 3: word here is because you.
Speaker 2: Know, when when when I imagined.
Speaker 1: You know, when I first saw the film and I
Speaker 1: was sort of going through and didn't even know you
Speaker 1: but going through the process, and like what I you know.
Speaker 2: Was there someone you know?
Speaker 1: How like when you are speaking to another actor and
Speaker 1: it's your point of view, they're shooting, they have the
Speaker 1: actors standing by the camera.
Speaker 2: You got something that bite off? How was it?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: You know what was you know what does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean what the two things that well, what I
Speaker 3: kept doing is I was to is looking for any
Speaker 3: any person, anything that was learning for the first time.
Speaker 3: So babies were really important to me. Dogs, animals, anything
Speaker 3: that was learning for the very first time in their
Speaker 3: environment was it was important to me. And what John
Speaker 3: did when we he never gave the whole script to
Speaker 3: anybody else. So when they when they came on the set,
Speaker 3: they only had their scene, and all John would tell
Speaker 3: them is he's not going to talk to you. Wow,
Speaker 3: he's not going to talk to you. So it really
Speaker 3: became a kind of improv you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: where the actors would come on and I mean a
Speaker 3: lot of them thought that I had written the script
Speaker 3: and not John, that John was just the director. But
Speaker 3: because it was so the dialogue was so perfectly black,
Speaker 3: that they thought, oh, this black man who doesn't speak
Speaker 3: in this movie must be the one who wrote it.
Speaker 3: Like I said, no, no, no, that white man over there,
Speaker 3: he's the guy who wrote this thing. But that's how
Speaker 3: we did it. Is he would only give them their
Speaker 3: scene and then they would have to respond to what
Speaker 3: I did or did not do, certainly the fact that
Speaker 3: I wasn't speaking.
Speaker 2: So that's so fierce because it was genuine, it was authentic.
Speaker 4: It was just it was absolutely authentic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, and before your time, because curb
Speaker 1: your enthusiasm, you know what I.
Speaker 4: Mean, like before Yeah, exactly exactly in.
Speaker 1: Terms of improv and not having a structured script.
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a structured script, but they didn't
Speaker 3: have the entire blueprint as you will. Only I did,
Speaker 3: which is something actually similar that we did in a
Speaker 3: way with Scandal.
Speaker 4: Harry.
Speaker 3: None of the other actors is knew where we were going,
Speaker 3: including Terry Washington. Wow, because I remember when I got
Speaker 3: the job. She was so excited. She said, oh, you're
Speaker 3: one of my favorite actors. She said that you're the
Speaker 3: only one of the few actors that I've called my
Speaker 3: parents to say he's going to be on the show.
Speaker 4: And then she said, and I hope we have some
Speaker 4: scenes together, and I said, yeah, I do too. Let's see.
Speaker 1: And you know what, it makes so much sense because
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Carrie as the actress.
Speaker 2: She's Phidoulgal.
Speaker 1: Because there are seeds right where there is sheer terror
Speaker 1: in her eyes and it's and and when you think
Speaker 1: about like what you're saying now, you know every actor
Speaker 1: has the hebgb's and gets nervous, but she's authentically playing
Speaker 1: in those moments.
Speaker 3: We didn't we didn't know what their relationship was, so
Speaker 3: that when we shot the end of season two, we
Speaker 3: shot it at least five different ways because we didn't
Speaker 3: know how a strange were they. Did they like each other?
Speaker 3: Did they not like each other? Hawpen was the last
Speaker 3: time they saw. We didn't know answers to any of
Speaker 3: those questions. So we had that to establish. And then
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the very first scene in season three,
Speaker 3: when we pick up from that point, yeah, we're sitting
Speaker 3: in the car. We don't really know each other, and
Speaker 3: I've been given and I've been given a two and
Speaker 3: a half page monologue, which which to begin with was like,
Speaker 3: really just as TV, I'm going to do mono fantastic,
Speaker 3: And so that that opening scene really did establish their relationship.
Speaker 3: And and just recently, I think Shonda had it on
Speaker 3: had that particular scene on Instagram and as an explanation
Speaker 3: as an expl and as an explanation of that scene,
Speaker 3: she said that up until that point, Carie's character was
Speaker 3: kind of strad straddling between being white and being black.
Speaker 3: She said, when when Rowan slash Eli showed up, that
Speaker 3: was definitely being black, which is why she put in
Speaker 3: things like you know, you have to be twice as good,
Speaker 3: you know, on the hell Water. All those kinds of
Speaker 3: things were purposely put into that monologue to let you
Speaker 3: know the black guys finally showed up in this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was addicted, Like I had already
Speaker 1: been watching the show, but when you came on, the
Speaker 1: one of the things that I feel was, I know
Speaker 1: that I'm entertained. When I don't see a boom or
Speaker 1: I don't have anything going on in my inner.
Speaker 2: Voice, I'm actually entertained.
Speaker 1: So I was entertained one but two Emotionally, You and
Speaker 1: Carrie took me on emotional roller coasters when you showed up,
Speaker 1: like I literally would jump like, oh.
Speaker 4: My god, why here, what's he going to do?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna die, you know. And then it was just
Speaker 2: you know, knowing you, not knowing you.
Speaker 1: How I know you now, but I didn't know you
Speaker 1: at that time, towards the end, it was like, here,
Speaker 1: where did you find him? Because I cannot fight if
Speaker 1: he like evidence in your dn DA of this villain.
Speaker 2: Where did he come from?
Speaker 3: Well that's an interesting question because that particular year of
Speaker 3: the there the end of their season one, I went
Speaker 3: out to LA for you know, pilot season uh, And
Speaker 3: I thought to myself, up until that point, I played
Speaker 3: very deliberately, very purposely good guys, because when I started
Speaker 3: in this business, it was mostly black guys playing drug
Speaker 3: dealers and goo whatever, just.
Speaker 4: Bad guys of all kinds.
Speaker 3: And I said, I kept saying, no, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to do that, and I played other kind of characters.
Speaker 3: I went out to LA that particularly a purposely looking
Speaker 3: for an intelligent bad guy. So I had I had
Speaker 3: heard of Scandal, I hadn't seen it. So I sat
Speaker 3: there when I got to LA and I watched season
Speaker 3: one on my computer and thought, Wow, this show is fantastic.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll call my agent and have them give ABC
Speaker 3: a call and maybe we can work out some kind
Speaker 3: of you know, episode arc or whatever. Before I made
Speaker 3: that call, my agents called me and said.
Speaker 4: We just got a call from ABC. They'd like to
Speaker 4: talk to you about scandal.
Speaker 3: I got the call from the producer, and the producer
Speaker 3: started off the conversation by saying, by the end of
Speaker 3: season two, the lines will clearly.
Speaker 4: Be that you are her father. I said, I'll take
Speaker 4: the job.
Speaker 2: So Joe. The most played I guess add to.
Speaker 1: Story on my Instagram is when you talk about manifestation,
Speaker 1: can you share.
Speaker 2: That with the audience?
Speaker 1: You when we run inside the black Box, We're going
Speaker 1: to go into that.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean I think, well, just using inside the
Speaker 3: black Box, right, you had something that you you had
Speaker 3: something that you wanted for eighteen years. You wanted to
Speaker 3: find a way to put that on the screen and
Speaker 3: put that out in front of people.
Speaker 4: And look what happened.
Speaker 3: Eighteen years later, you, you and doctor Day and Spruce
Speaker 3: and all the rest of you got together. You put
Speaker 3: together a pilot and invited me onto the show. I
Speaker 3: went on the show simply because I thought, well, this
Speaker 3: is a great idea. I love this, this is fantastic.
Speaker 3: I would love to come on the show and talk
Speaker 3: about all the kinds of things you guys wanted to
Speaker 3: talk about. Later on, it turns out that you and
Speaker 3: I are then the the co hosts of that show.
Speaker 3: We do two seasons of the show. So that's what
Speaker 3: I So that's manifestation, right, That is that is having
Speaker 3: a vision of something, knowing that you have to be patient,
Speaker 3: that things don't happen overnight, and it comes true for
Speaker 3: however long it comes true. But there it was, and
Speaker 3: I think the same thing was true with a good
Speaker 3: portion and still to some degree of my career of saying,
Speaker 3: these are the kinds of things I'd like to sort
Speaker 3: of attempt to accomplish as an actor or a director,
Speaker 3: and those things for the most part up to date.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, to get a call to say
Speaker 3: we want you to play Dick Gregory.
Speaker 4: Off Broadway, it was amazing. It was amazing.
Speaker 3: And then to be on the telephone with Dick to
Speaker 3: talk with funny because when I first got the gig,
Speaker 3: I said, I want Dick's phone number so we can talk.
Speaker 4: And of course, usually in those circumstances, the producers always
Speaker 4: say no, no, no, no, no no, you shouldn't talk to us. No no, no,
Speaker 4: I'm going to.
Speaker 5: Talk to him.
Speaker 3: You give me his number. I'm going to find his number.
Speaker 3: We got on the phone together and we talked, not
Speaker 3: about the play, we just talked about each other's father
Speaker 3: for about two hours. That's all we talked about. And
Speaker 3: that's the low that I mean. And then during the
Speaker 3: course of rehearsal, I never heard from Dick again, although
Speaker 3: we sent him all of the be rights as we've
Speaker 3: went along, and didn't see him again until opening night.
Speaker 3: I just knew that, I just knew that he was
Speaker 3: going to be in the audience.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a very large theaters, and I knew he
Speaker 4: was going to be the audio in the audience. I
Speaker 4: didn't know where.
Speaker 3: There was a section of the play where I'm talking
Speaker 3: about Emmitt Till and when I when I'm sitting on
Speaker 3: the aisle facing the audience, and I turned and who
Speaker 3: am I looking at but Dick Gregory.
Speaker 4: And it's as if we had this.
Speaker 3: Very personal privates, as if the rest of the theater
Speaker 3: kind of disappeared and we just had this private conversation.
Speaker 3: But again, looking for someone looking for an iconic character
Speaker 3: to play, and there it was offered. So you know,
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's that old saying that everybody says
Speaker 3: in the street, right, what goes around comes around, So
Speaker 3: what you put out there comes back.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about because theater is my
Speaker 1: number one love and then TV and film? How important
Speaker 1: it is what type of discipline that actors would gain
Speaker 1: through the working in theater, because even working I can
Speaker 1: only imagine, you know, as a one man show with
Speaker 1: Dick Gregory, the stamina that you needed every night to
Speaker 1: do that. You know you you normally you have a cast,
Speaker 1: you have some quote unquote relief, but that was all you.
Speaker 1: So I guess it's a two part one in terms
Speaker 1: of the stamina, how did you maintain your stamina doing
Speaker 1: a one man show? And two how important is it
Speaker 1: for actors to have that discipline under their bout?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll do it the other way around. So it's
Speaker 3: theater is enormously important. I think for actors. My son
Speaker 3: at one point wanted to be an actor, and I said,
Speaker 3: so if you do this when you come out of school,
Speaker 3: you cannot go. I will not I will not support you.
Speaker 3: If you decide you're going to do TV and film
Speaker 3: right away, you have to do theater. Because if you
Speaker 3: can do theater, if you can play a character for
Speaker 3: three months, six months out of the year, eight times
Speaker 3: a week and keep that character fresh, then you can
Speaker 3: do anything. You can do anything. The only thing that
Speaker 3: changes going from theater to TV and film obviously is
Speaker 3: your physical size, because in theater you have to fill
Speaker 3: the house. TV the camera and film the camera is
Speaker 3: right there, but all the other portions of that discipline
Speaker 3: are zact the same.
Speaker 4: Again, he gets back to that original question of training.
Speaker 4: So if you've been trained and you've been in the theater,
Speaker 4: the rest of it is easy. There's lots of actors
Speaker 4: that we've seen over the course of the years who
Speaker 4: are TV and film actors who try to do the
Speaker 4: stage and the first thing that happens is what what
Speaker 4: did they say? Can't hear them? Can't hear them because
Speaker 4: they're not used to projecting their voice. They're used to
Speaker 4: having a microphone do all that work for them. And
Speaker 4: then even physically, they're not used to filling the house.
Speaker 4: We had one young man on our show.
Speaker 3: Who had mostly done TV and film, and what he did,
Speaker 3: I think it was some thoughts of a colored Man.
Speaker 4: Was that? Was that the name of his show? Yes,
Speaker 4: he said that.
Speaker 3: When they started telling him to be bigger, he said
Speaker 3: all the things that he had been trained not to
Speaker 3: do with something of the things that he had to do.
Speaker 3: And that's I think what happens to a lot of actors.
Speaker 3: Suddenly they realized, oh my gosh, no, no, no, I have
Speaker 3: to figure out a way how to fill this theater
Speaker 3: with not only my voice, but with my body as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So so that and the other question.
Speaker 2: Was smina of a one man chef.
Speaker 3: So you know what, maybe I'm just a fool. I
Speaker 3: didn't even think about what that was going to be.
Speaker 4: Like we were We rehearsed it vigorously.
Speaker 3: I also know that I have a tremendous amount of energy,
Speaker 3: and so we rehearsed it, and it was It was
Speaker 3: draining because it's very emotional. It's not just it's not
Speaker 3: just the lengths. It's a ninety minute show, but it's
Speaker 3: but you go from being a stand up comedian to
Speaker 3: someone who loses his child, to someone who does interviews
Speaker 3: in terms of the movement, to someone who loses which
Speaker 3: is why the show was called Turned Me Loose. Medgar
Speaker 3: Evers was Dick Gregory's one of Dick Gregory's best friends
Speaker 3: and before he met Before Dick met Medgar, he was
Speaker 3: terrified of going down south and he had never really
Speaker 3: been down south.
Speaker 4: And it was Edgar.
Speaker 3: Medya Rather who invoted it and come south. And so
Speaker 3: the last words that Medgar Ever said before he died
Speaker 3: was turn me loose. And that's why we call the
Speaker 3: show turn me Loose. So there was that emotional content
Speaker 3: to it as well, that the whole show was in
Speaker 3: a way a kind of homage to Medgar Evers, which
Speaker 3: is interesting because his wife had not seen the show
Speaker 3: in New York. I think she felt when I met her,
Speaker 3: she said she felt a little kind of not abused,
Speaker 3: but she wasn't quite sure why we were using that phrase,
Speaker 3: turn me loose, and she wasn't I don't think anyone
Speaker 3: ever asked her. So she came to see the show
Speaker 3: with a great deal of trepidation. When she saw the show,
Speaker 3: she understood what we were doing, and she and I
Speaker 3: had a wonderful, wonderful conversation. And then later I met
Speaker 3: his son, who was a photographer at one of the studios.
Speaker 2: So that's beautiful. Well, Joe, the times spit by like
Speaker 2: we have seriously three minutes.
Speaker 1: So I want you, I just wanted you to give
Speaker 1: actors advice from an actor's point of view, and also
Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know. Joe is also
Speaker 1: a director and he has been directing. He did episodes.
Speaker 1: I know people have talked about are kind of people
Speaker 1: are missing it, but he directed some episodes there, So.
Speaker 2: Joe, can you give them some tips from that perspective.
Speaker 3: You know, again, just to kind of go over a
Speaker 3: lot of the things that we've been talking about. I mean,
Speaker 3: for young actors, I think number one, keep in mind
Speaker 3: training is of the most important. Number two things don't
Speaker 3: happen overnight. That that careers are just that they take
Speaker 3: time to develop. And in that regard, the more you
Speaker 3: are clear about what it is you want from your career,
Speaker 3: the clearer that path becomes. That there will be lots
Speaker 3: of people to tell you, well, you know, you should
Speaker 3: do this commercial or or that you know the show
Speaker 3: or this show or that show. If that's it's not
Speaker 3: if that's not what you want to do, don't do it.
Speaker 3: That you that you should do the things that really
Speaker 3: you are drawn to do, and that may make it
Speaker 3: more difficult, but you will you will be clearing a
Speaker 3: path for yourself.
Speaker 4: And then don't be afraid to experiment.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know a lot of actors have tried
Speaker 3: directing and they don't like it. I, on the other hand,
Speaker 3: tried directing and just a door of directing and just
Speaker 3: a door being able to I mean, then the episode
Speaker 3: becomes like building a character. But it's not just my character,
Speaker 3: it's all the characters in that in that particular episode.
Speaker 3: So I think that again, yes, perseverance, patience, training, and
Speaker 3: then for just to be a little bit more specific
Speaker 3: for the actors out there, there are questions that we
Speaker 3: ask ourselves every single a day when we go through
Speaker 3: our day. In my opinion, there are five of those
Speaker 3: questions that I use every time I approach a script,
Speaker 3: even as a director, and those questions are who am I,
Speaker 3: where am I going? Who do I expect to meet?
Speaker 3: And the most and the two remaining questions are the
Speaker 3: most important, which are what do I want? And to
Speaker 3: what extent am I willing to go to get what
Speaker 3: I want? So those are the kinds of things, without
Speaker 3: even thinking about it, did you ask yourself every single day?
Speaker 3: And when you begin applying that to not only the
Speaker 3: character in general, but to every single line that character has,
Speaker 3: it becomes more and more specific in terms of where
Speaker 3: that who that person is. You have to do that
Speaker 3: kind of research obviously, because it doesn't just mean you know,
Speaker 3: my name is so and so and here's my job.
Speaker 4: It means who am I? Excuse me, who am I?
Speaker 4: In the depth of my soul?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Where am I going doesn't necessarily mean just physically where
Speaker 3: am I going? It also could mean psychologically where am
Speaker 3: I going? And then, of course what do I want?
Speaker 3: To what extent am I willing to go to get
Speaker 3: what I want? Those are clear because that is finally
Speaker 3: what the actor's job and even the director's job.
Speaker 4: What What do I want out of this, out of
Speaker 4: this scene?
Speaker 5: What do I want?
Speaker 3: What am I trying to achieve? What part of the
Speaker 3: story am I telling trying to tell? And the same
Speaker 3: thing for the For the actor, what is it this
Speaker 3: character wants?
Speaker 4: And to what extent?
Speaker 3: Given what the what the script seems to outline, what
Speaker 3: extent is he willing to go to.
Speaker 4: Get what he wants? And those those are the most
Speaker 4: important part of those questions.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, sooe, my heart is full. I am so
Speaker 1: grateful for all this information. I know that my actors
Speaker 1: appreciate love this more than anything.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring on two of our actors right now,
Speaker 2: who I have questions?
Speaker 1: For you.
Speaker 6: Well, and.
Speaker 2: Let me see.
Speaker 1: Let's Deborah and Yolanda. You guys can come on. And Joe,
Speaker 1: this is Deborah Spears. She went for wearing all black
Speaker 1: Joe in my classes and I was like, you got
Speaker 1: to color in your life, but I love it. Devra Spears,
Speaker 1: Joe Wooden, Hey, Deborah, Hey, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2: It's such a pleasure in taking my question.
Speaker 7: And special thanks to you and Tracy for the Inside
Speaker 7: the Black Box because honestly, I wouldn't be here on
Speaker 7: this podcast if it.
Speaker 2: Weren't for that show.
Speaker 5: I literally sent her an email.
Speaker 7: After watching that show, she replied, and I've been taking
Speaker 7: training from her ever since, and before that I was
Speaker 7: going in a whole nother direction.
Speaker 5: So thank you.
Speaker 4: Well, you are in good hands. Let me tell you,
Speaker 4: Oh my.
Speaker 5: God, oh my god. Yes.
Speaker 7: So my question is have you what experience have you
Speaker 7: had in your career that has been a challenge for
Speaker 7: you and what did you do to overcome that challenge.
Speaker 3: It is going to saund maybe a little bit strange,
Speaker 3: but most of my career has been a challenge. As
Speaker 3: I said, I started off by turning down roles because
Speaker 3: a lot of those roles were pimps and drug dealers
Speaker 3: and sort of bad guys of old kinds of description
Speaker 3: at a time when that's pretty much all you saw
Speaker 3: male actors doing, either on stage or an in film
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 4: So that became a thing.
Speaker 3: The other part of that, my particular challenge was because
Speaker 3: I could sing. I found my way into the theater
Speaker 3: by doing musicals. I start off by doing hair and
Speaker 3: then that seemed to me to be to have a
Speaker 3: kind of dead end to it.
Speaker 4: You're only taking.
Speaker 3: But so seriously as an actor when you're doing musicals.
Speaker 3: So I stopped doing musicals and then started doing regional
Speaker 3: theater in order to put together a dramatic resume, and
Speaker 3: then trying to turn that around and come back and say, right,
Speaker 3: somehow I want to be looked at in a different light.
Speaker 3: So I think the challenge I think probably is not
Speaker 3: too dissimilar for most other performers or other.
Speaker 4: Actors or other artists in general.
Speaker 3: You know, if you or Van Goh, you spend your
Speaker 3: entire life painting beautiful stuff that nobody recognizes until after
Speaker 3: you die. So you have to sort of be willing
Speaker 3: to take that challenge and understand that you have a
Speaker 3: point of view which needs to be pursued.
Speaker 4: It's important to you.
Speaker 3: You have something you're trying to say, and then in
Speaker 3: doing so, people are going to say, as they do
Speaker 3: in this business very often no, and you have to
Speaker 3: be able either to accept that, reject it, or push
Speaker 3: them inside and said, well, I'll talk to you another
Speaker 3: time and move straight ahead.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 5: That was great.
Speaker 4: You're well.
Speaker 1: And Elsa Lathan she's back, so I'll let you take
Speaker 1: it away.
Speaker 8: La Helloo, welcome Landa.
Speaker 6: You are up next.
Speaker 9: Almost the more and it's so nice to see you
Speaker 9: on screen. I have seen you many years on the ski.
Speaker 9: I have witnessed your amazing talent.
Speaker 4: My question for you is me.
Speaker 9: And Debor was thinking the light along the same lines.
Speaker 9: My question is, throughout your acting career and your theater career,
Speaker 9: what has been your most challenging role and how did
Speaker 9: you prepare to embody the difficult role?
Speaker 3: Probably Brother Another Planet being the first, because, as Tracy said,
Speaker 3: he didn't speak, so I had to learn how to
Speaker 3: communicate in a number of different ways without repeating myself.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you another quick, short, little story. The production
Speaker 3: designer had designed a kind of alphabet and the way
Speaker 3: that you know, however, they structure their sentences, and she
Speaker 3: wrote this beautiful cardcase.
Speaker 4: At one point in the movie, I have to answer.
Speaker 3: Somebody's what looked like graffiti on a wall but actually
Speaker 3: was from our planet, and I wanted to answer it.
Speaker 3: So she wrote it, this whole thing, and I said, oh, well,
Speaker 3: let me take it home so I can actually personalize it,
Speaker 3: decide what these letters are for myself, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Did that, went home, did all this work, decided what
Speaker 3: these letters were, came back and showed it to her
Speaker 3: and said, so this means this, and this means that,
Speaker 3: that means that the other thing. She said, That's terrific,
Speaker 3: but you're holding it upside down. So challenges appear all
Speaker 3: the time, and I think that what's wonderful about being
Speaker 3: an artist is that that is the the the bulk
Speaker 3: of your career is to challenge yourself. The other major
Speaker 3: challenge for me was Dick Gregor to do research on him.
Speaker 3: My son said to me that after he saw the
Speaker 3: show that he was surprised that I could make him laugh,
Speaker 3: because suddenly I had to be a stand up to Median.
Speaker 3: I had never done stand up before. In my life,
Speaker 3: the the other parts of his life, talking about the
Speaker 3: movement and talking about people had done, those were so
Speaker 3: human that they were easy, easier to comprehend. But to
Speaker 3: listen to him, to listen to his timing, to listen
Speaker 3: to understand where the idea of the cigarette and the
Speaker 3: drink may have come from, and incorporate those kinds of
Speaker 3: things into the show as part of his character.
Speaker 4: That was huge.
Speaker 3: I mean, when I discovered how to do it, you know,
Speaker 3: I would go home and go yeah, finally got that right,
Speaker 3: because it was all part of who he was and
Speaker 3: could not should not have been taken for granted. So
Speaker 3: at one point in the play, it's one of his
Speaker 3: first appearances on TV.
Speaker 4: He was an athlete, he was a.
Speaker 3: Runner, and so I have him in the dressing room
Speaker 3: and he's warming up to do this bit, and so
Speaker 3: he's running in place and blah blahlah blah, and in
Speaker 3: the course of kind of talking his way into doing
Speaker 3: this stand up, he picks up a cigarette, and he
Speaker 3: picks up a drink and realizes, oh, that's something I
Speaker 3: haven't seen before, And without saying a word, he put
Speaker 3: together or I put together his kind of persona. So
Speaker 3: that's as if that was the very first time anyone
Speaker 3: might have seen Dick Gregory with a cigarette and a drink,
Speaker 3: which is also a challenge because in the theater these
Speaker 3: days you can't light a cigarette anymore.
Speaker 4: So, but it's those kinds of things.
Speaker 3: I think that that become the challenges in our lives
Speaker 3: to find a way to tell the truth. We're finding
Speaker 3: that out more and more just in living our daily lives.
Speaker 3: That truth is now a matter of opinion as opposed
Speaker 3: to simply being a truth.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was beautiful.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Elsa, thank you, absolutely, thank you, and I
Speaker 1: want to thank the actors Deborah and Yolanda. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. You guys, hold tight, sit back. You're blessed.
Speaker 1: Joe is going to hang out with us a little
Speaker 1: more when we come back to the Spirited Actor Podcast.
Speaker 1: Meet Tracy Moore. We're gonna do class in session all right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how we're doing. Welcome back to the Spirited Actor
Speaker 1: Podcast with me Tracy Moore, and you should be so happy.
Speaker 1: We still have the phenomenal mister Joe Morton in the
Speaker 1: house and we are getting ready to go into class
Speaker 1: in session. I'm going to turn it over to Elsie
Speaker 1: because we have a surprise for Joe.
Speaker 8: We do, we do, Thank you, Tracy. And so today
Speaker 8: on class and session we have a very special monologue
Speaker 8: by mister Sam Bryce. Welcome Sam, one of our faves.
Speaker 4: Pleasure to be here for sure. Thank you.
Speaker 6: So when you already Sam and Action, Oh you're funny, yes, funny,
Speaker 6: funny man?
Speaker 5: What should I say?
Speaker 4: Boy?
Speaker 5: You're a boy. You've been coddled and aired for, pampered
Speaker 5: and hugged for you, it's always summer time and the
Speaker 5: living is easy. Daddy's rich and your mama's good looking.
Speaker 4: You're a grant.
Speaker 5: You got money in your blood. You are a boy.
Speaker 5: I'm a man. I worked for every single thing I've
Speaker 5: ever received. I thought, bled and scraped for every inch
Speaker 5: of ground that I walk on. I was the first
Speaker 5: person in my family to go to college, and my
Speaker 5: daughter went to boarding school with the children of King.
Speaker 5: I made that happen. And you, well, you quiet yourself
Speaker 5: to sleep because daddy hurt your feelings, because Papa banked
Speaker 5: the secretary, and it hurts. It hurt to have so
Speaker 5: much money. You spoil, entitled, ungrateful little brat. You have
Speaker 5: everything handed. Do you want a silver platter, and you squander.
Speaker 5: You've had the world laid out for you and you
Speaker 5: can't appreciate it because you have never had to work
Speaker 5: for anything. So now you decide that the one thing
Speaker 5: that you want, it's my daughter, my child. Mind what
Speaker 5: I mean, what I created? And you can sit here
Speaker 5: and talk about what a great lay she is all
Speaker 5: that you want to get a response from me. But
Speaker 5: guess what I am actually quite literally above your pay grade,
Speaker 5: which means I know you think that you love Olivia,
Speaker 5: but the truth is you love the faact that she's
Speaker 5: a door marked exit. You love the fact that she's
Speaker 5: your way out because you know, if you're with Olivia, Pope,
Speaker 5: you don't have to fulfill your father's dream of being president.
Speaker 5: If you're with Olivia, you no longer have to be
Speaker 5: your father's son that will never falls too far from
Speaker 5: the tree. You will always be send it her grants,
Speaker 5: disappointing boy fits. You will always be the formidable Olivia. Hope.
Speaker 5: Don't try to use what I made to make yourself
Speaker 5: into a men. You're a oh.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmy, So Joe, I don't have I don't have
Speaker 1: anything to say.
Speaker 2: I want to give it on you.
Speaker 3: First of all, that was fantastic. That's not an easy
Speaker 3: speech to do. The one thing that I enjoyed about
Speaker 3: it the most is it wasn't over overlaid with anger
Speaker 3: because it wasn't about anger, it was about something else.
Speaker 4: The things that you did I thought were fantastic.
Speaker 3: If if you were to do that speech again, what
Speaker 3: I would ask is that because you understand everything in
Speaker 3: I mean, you clearly understand what that speech is about,
Speaker 3: I would just make more out of the contrast between
Speaker 3: boy and man, without without over without pushing it too hard.
Speaker 3: But he brings all those a contrasts boy and man,
Speaker 3: my daughter just belongs to me, and then finally coming
Speaker 3: up with his cowardice, the fact that if you're with
Speaker 3: my daughter, you know that you don't have to be
Speaker 3: what your father wants you to be.
Speaker 4: I would just say, deepen those moments in the speech.
Speaker 3: Not that you're I mean, you're in a good place,
Speaker 3: but I would investigate making those places deeper only because
Speaker 3: that is the heart of the speech, is the contrast
Speaker 3: between who Rowan is and who this white southern president
Speaker 3: is and the fact that you're even in the white
Speaker 3: T shirt. I mean, that was part of what that
Speaker 3: moment was about. Is noan was if you remember he was,
Speaker 3: or I don't know if you ever saw it, but
Speaker 3: he's in a T shirt chained to a chair.
Speaker 4: So I even like the fact that you were looking
Speaker 4: up at at him.
Speaker 3: All I want to say is Tony because I don't
Speaker 3: remember the president's name. But but but those are the
Speaker 3: moments I would look at again, just go a little
Speaker 3: bit deeper in terms of the contrast between boy and man,
Speaker 3: to look a little bit deeper. When you talk about
Speaker 3: my daughter, what I made, These are things that you made.
Speaker 3: These are things that you've accomplished, and you're saying you
Speaker 3: have an outhlage anything you've can given everything. And then
Speaker 3: when he says and the fact that you want to
Speaker 3: be with my daughter means that's nothing but your cowardice.
Speaker 3: That's the fact that you don't have to be what
Speaker 3: your father wants you to be. You can you can
Speaker 3: escape all those things by being with this black woman.
Speaker 3: And I think those were the things. Those were the
Speaker 3: things I would just ask you to just deepen a
Speaker 3: little bit more. But other than I thought you to
Speaker 3: really really really fine job.
Speaker 1: Oh Spirit Actor alumni, thank you so much, Sam.
Speaker 4: I thank you Sam, absolutely yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thank you Elsa, and we could just bring
Speaker 1: on Deborah and Yolanta.
Speaker 2: You guys can.
Speaker 1: All come on and thank you again for your questions.
Speaker 2: And I cannot just like, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like I don't know how I can ever repay
Speaker 1: you for being my partner on The Spirited Actor. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm inside the black box and your support. You guys,
Speaker 1: we were together four years before the show, we even
Speaker 1: signed that deal. First season, first show walking out the door.
Speaker 2: Spirit was like ask Joe, It's like, Joe, how are
Speaker 2: you still here? Right?
Speaker 3: Well, because what we were doing was important, you know what,
Speaker 3: what what you had envisioned was important. You know a
Speaker 3: lot of the actors that we talked to, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean you saw one of them on the Oscars
Speaker 3: on Sunday Night, you know, Jeffrey right there he was.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's beautiful. Well, Joe, I want to just give
Speaker 1: you mad love. Matd Hug, thank you so so much
Speaker 1: for coming on the podcast. Yay, and you guys stay tight,
Speaker 1: hold on because we are coming back season three.
Speaker 2: We will be back and we will let you know
Speaker 2: when we'll be back.
Speaker 1: But thank you for your support and I know that
Speaker 1: you're going to hold on to this and replay this
Speaker 1: because you missed Joe.
Speaker 2: I know you miss Joe. We miss you, guys. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, thank you so much Joe. Everybody put your hands.
Speaker 3: Together for You're welcome. Thank you for inviting me. It's
Speaker 3: been a great pleasure.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Joe.
Speaker 1: And when we come back to the Spirited Actor Podcast
Speaker 1: with me Tracy Moore, I'm going to give you love.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Kudos Corner. Kudos Corner is where we come
Speaker 1: together and celebrate a spirited actor, their work, their current work.
Speaker 2: We just overall want to celebrate you and give you
Speaker 2: a big mad love.
Speaker 1: This week's Kudo's Corner puts a spotlight on spirited actor
Speaker 1: Devon Niki Thomas. Theater goers in DC area have been
Speaker 1: graced by the talent of Devon Nikki Thomas in numerous plays,
Speaker 1: including Helen Hayes nominated production of The Bluest Eye and
Speaker 1: The Trip, and this June, she will lead the cast
Speaker 1: of Is God Is at Washington, DC's Consolation Theater. Law
Speaker 1: and Order fans recently saw her share a scene with
Speaker 1: the show's new Da played by Tony Goldwin in his
Speaker 1: Law and Order debut episode. Also a writer director subperson,
Speaker 1: Devon is in pre production for her first short film,
Speaker 1: The Sixth Stage, which she will shoot this spring. Kudos
Speaker 1: to Devon, Nicki Thomas, and now it's time to get love.
Speaker 1: I want to address jealousy, just to be brutally honest
Speaker 1: and uproot. Jealousy is something that you know. I think
Speaker 1: it's one of those human characteristics that everyone has an
Speaker 1: experience up right. However, if you choose to keep that
Speaker 1: emotion around you or in your energy source, it's not
Speaker 1: a positive thing. It's very toxic. I want to flip
Speaker 1: this jealousy thing. I want you, instead of looking at
Speaker 1: someone else's career and wishing it was yours or thinking
Speaker 1: that they are not deserving of it, take that energy
Speaker 1: and focus on the greatness in you.
Speaker 2: It's not about actors being like anyone else. It's about you.
Speaker 1: Embracing the beauty and the uniqueness that you have. No
Speaker 1: one out there is like you, no one can be you. Therefore,
Speaker 1: or when you are in a callback or when you're
Speaker 1: in your submitting to the casting director, instead of thinking
Speaker 1: there's so many people out there that.
Speaker 2: I'm competing against, there's so many people that are better
Speaker 2: than me.
Speaker 1: Instead of thinking that way, think about how when that
Speaker 1: casting director sees your unique submission, how pleasantly surprised that
Speaker 1: they're going to be that you don't look like everybody else,
Speaker 1: or you don't do the same performance that everybody else does.
Speaker 1: You take the time and you work calmly, and you
Speaker 1: focus on the work, and you focus on the uniqueness
Speaker 1: that you can bring your interpretation of that character to
Speaker 1: the table, and then you let it go knowing that
Speaker 1: you are working on your craft, you are training, and
Speaker 1: there is a role out there for you. Just wait,
Speaker 1: it's coming. Trust me, don't forget to look out for us.
Speaker 1: On our new show, inside the Black Box, my co
Speaker 1: host will be Joe the Legend Morton. It's going to
Speaker 1: be the Spirited Actor Podcast on Steroids. We'll be streaming
Speaker 1: on the Crackle network. I'll keep you posted. Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us on the Spirited Actor Podcast with me
Speaker 1: Tracy Moore. I look forward to our next Spirited Podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you,