WEBVTT - Wildest of the Wild Bunch with Ben Feldman

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<v Speaker 1>Olla, mios. This is Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you

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<v Speaker 1>the wildest true escape stories of all time. Today we're

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<v Speaker 1>telling an iconic story of the Old West, getting into

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<v Speaker 1>the life and escapes of Kid Curry, the wildness of

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<v Speaker 1>the Wild Bunch. I'm Aartoro Castro, and my guest today

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<v Speaker 1>is actor, producer and incredibly generous lover Ben Feldman. Ah wow, Ben,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me. Thank you for that incredible

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<v Speaker 2>intro music. That was really it'd be really funny if

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<v Speaker 2>you went straight from that into like a really kind

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<v Speaker 2>of Maudlin sad like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So then everybody the story begins with everybody dying

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<v Speaker 1>and how that has affected masculinity throughout the generations.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Ben, what do you consider to be You're a

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<v Speaker 2>great as escape. No, you know what's funny is I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking about it this morning because I was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about escapes, and I guess I'm constantly having to be

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<v Speaker 2>reminded just sort of what a hashtag blast life I've had.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, have you ever been trapped? And I had,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've been trapped in like boring what like

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<v Speaker 2>there's been like jobs that I've bailed on and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But that's not interesting. I kept coming back

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<v Speaker 2>to I got trapped in my head because I accidentally

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<v Speaker 2>took mescaline at a concert.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the year was nineteen sixty four. Well exactly, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>takes messal what does can you hear? Mescaline is essentially peyote,

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<v Speaker 1>And like I was at a fish concert.

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<v Speaker 2>At turn of the century y two K, like the

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand when we all thought the computers were going

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<v Speaker 2>to kill us, and it was like a three day

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<v Speaker 2>event and by the third day, no one could find

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<v Speaker 2>any molly, like is what we were looking for? This

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<v Speaker 2>feels wrong to tell guess whatever familiar, but we were

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<v Speaker 2>looking around everything was you know, it was just like dry,

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<v Speaker 2>like there was just nothing. And then we kept kind

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<v Speaker 2>of yelling out for it, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy dressed as the Grim Reaper and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>like I was like a theater major that like I

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<v Speaker 2>should understand foreshadowing. The Grim Reaper literally shows up and

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<v Speaker 2>is like, I've got all the molly you want, and

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<v Speaker 2>he gave us these pills and so we started watching

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<v Speaker 2>the show and I'm standing next to this guy who

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<v Speaker 2>was like a huge he had a problem and I

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<v Speaker 2>just happen to be standing next to him, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of keeping up with him, and like he took

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<v Speaker 2>his first one, and then he took his second one,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I kept taking him. And then suddenly everybody

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<v Speaker 2>was a demon, like everybody's faces, and I looked around

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I got to get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's turned into a demon. And so I guess there

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<v Speaker 2>is an escape because I'm leaving my friends. But I'll

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<v Speaker 2>take like one step and then I'll turn around and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like twenty yards away from me, and then they're

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<v Speaker 2>demons and people are melting into my shoulder. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I looked down at the gun and I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was a battlefield because there's just bodies everywhere which were

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<v Speaker 2>in retrospect, probably people just like laying down, but to

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<v Speaker 2>me having.

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<v Speaker 1>The time of their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>So they to me, this was just a what post?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are these soldiers dancing in rhythm?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all of these things. And then the sun

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<v Speaker 2>came up and I saw everybody kind of wander back

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<v Speaker 2>to the tent like zombies. And I don't really remember

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<v Speaker 2>anything except the next thing I knew, I was in

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<v Speaker 2>a car with my friend Lily and we drove back

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<v Speaker 2>from Florida. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, that's a great story.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great escape. That's that's like when I think

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<v Speaker 2>about like getting trapped. Yeah, I'm trotted in my own head.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a fantastic skit. In fact, we have one

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<v Speaker 1>of the producers, Carl, you here to tell me that

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<v Speaker 1>I can't. I can't do any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Carl is like is having PTSD from the time

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<v Speaker 1>when him and I went to see an aqua concert

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<v Speaker 1>in Sweden in nineteen ninety eight. Man, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking time, wasn't it. When they played I'm a Barbie Girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a Barbie girl. I literally was a Barbie girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, let me ask you something. And have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>considered robbing a train? Only?

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<v Speaker 2>Every day? When I think of all the places i'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to rob, which I do often, train is not

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<v Speaker 2>high on the list. It does not seem like a

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<v Speaker 2>very lucrative loot for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like westerns is out of things?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if it's a good one, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, today I'm going to tell you the greatest Western you've.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever heard of? Yellow Stony. I like yellow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's yellow stony. That's right, Kevin Cassler is coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like you're opening song.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Well, let's escape, shall we ye? So Born

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<v Speaker 1>in Iowa in eighteen sixty seven, Harvey Logan and his

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<v Speaker 1>brother started out as wandering ranch hands and horse breakers,

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<v Speaker 1>working across the West from Wyoming to Colorado and then

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<v Speaker 1>down south all the way to Texas. No one knows

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<v Speaker 1>exactly why he changed his name, to be honest, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was just a line of work, but at some

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<v Speaker 1>point Harvey decided it would be best to choose an alias.

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<v Speaker 1>So when he arrived in Rocky Point, Montana in the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of eighteen eighty four, he introduced himself as Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>Curry ODI partner, Curry Curry. That's right. He was ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of the game in the Southeast Asian food spice market.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was expecting something a little more west.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they all had nicknames. I was about to say, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, he changed his name to steel Toe, bullet

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<v Speaker 2>chewer or whatever they called it, and he was Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was just like Harvey Potpourrie was taking.

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<v Speaker 1>So. Historians guessed that Harvey was trying to outrun the

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<v Speaker 1>law because of a saloon brawl in Colorado. Also his

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<v Speaker 1>older brother was trying to make sure that he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be tracked down by his wife. Ben. Give me ah,

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<v Speaker 1>there you go, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Could do your sound effects. So anyway, this guy, this cowboy,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Curry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of the local Montana ranchers said that Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>and his brother were the best cattle ropers around. They

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<v Speaker 1>were known for being hard working and good natured. So

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like he's got a nice life of cattle

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<v Speaker 1>ranching ahead of him. But all that changed in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four when Harvey tracked down his neighbor, Pike Lindunsky

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<v Speaker 1>at a bar. Pike, that's right. So the two men,

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<v Speaker 1>these two men, these two neighbors had been feuding and

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey wanted to settle the score. We found Pike probably

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking alien.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's just great name though. I like the name Pike.

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<v Speaker 1>So he found him drinking at a bar and tapped

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<v Speaker 1>him on the shoulder and as he was turning around,

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey bam hit him in the jaw. Give me a yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, give me a yeah. Yeah, that's okay, that

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<v Speaker 1>won't hurt, Okay, that's is that the bar oo?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's an audience, right, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Good. So Harvey hit him in the jaw with a

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<v Speaker 1>right hook. Pike hit him back, and then the two

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<v Speaker 1>men ended up rolling on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey ended up on top of Pike, punching him until

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<v Speaker 1>the bystanders begged him to stop. Right, that's right, they

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<v Speaker 1>got there. They only have one level and that is shock,

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<v Speaker 1>So that that might have been the end of things.

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<v Speaker 1>But as Harvey was walking away, Pike drew his pistol

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<v Speaker 1>and he pointed it to Harvey's back and he pulled

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<v Speaker 1>the trigger. But the gun jam.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I thought that only happened in movies.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's some embellishment here from I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fucking the West. Everybody's right, he's gun jammed, it responds.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't buy it, but fuck it, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying it anyway. In response, Harvey shot Pike three times

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<v Speaker 1>in the chest. Can you like that is such classic

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<v Speaker 1>Western shit?

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<v Speaker 2>Though? Is it a three times the amount of times

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<v Speaker 2>he shot him?

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<v Speaker 1>Like the gun jams and they're like, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>beating him up and you were like walking away, all cool?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what I don't understand is like, if there are

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<v Speaker 2>no rules, we can all use our guns and shoot

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<v Speaker 2>each other. Why are they rolling around before they got

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<v Speaker 2>to the rolling around on the floor part. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe a gun didn't come out. Why did the gun

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<v Speaker 2>not come out until sort of there he's exiting.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, maybe they just wanted to like duke it out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, right, he didn't intend to kill Pike, but

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, got he got bystanders. I mean we've

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<v Speaker 1>heard him. They sounded fucking cool from whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to shoot someone if you want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>the ooze and eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, I get it. I totally got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh did someone drop something? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Are those chains?

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<v Speaker 2>There was total chaos. He had one of those chain

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<v Speaker 2>wallets on and that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Just he just kept beating on the floor as he's

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<v Speaker 1>beating his ass. So Harvey's life of cattle ranching was

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<v Speaker 1>over from then on, right, he went on the run,

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<v Speaker 1>but he knew where he was going to go. He

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<v Speaker 1>set out for a banded camp called Hole in the Wall,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had some friends there. You see, while he

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<v Speaker 1>was running cattle, Harvey met some extremely wild dudes, including

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<v Speaker 1>a man who would served time for horse thieving in Sundance.

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<v Speaker 1>And his name is Jasper Rebindo and his name is

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<v Speaker 1>cho Lemons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was in Sunhans, Wyoming, Y. Of course, Sundance

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<v Speaker 1>Kid that was there, it is. Yeah, So Harvey Curry

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<v Speaker 1>now had a body to his name and met up

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<v Speaker 1>with the one and only Sundance Kid. Right, so soon

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<v Speaker 1>he had a new name to go with his new friend.

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<v Speaker 1>They called him Kid Curry. Whoa wow, Kid Curry.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that sounds really modern, that sounds yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and he had an awesome album, yeah exactly

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like the liberal version of kid rock.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>He's on the trail for Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that's why he's seen the ways he used to

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<v Speaker 1>be right now he's bar leve. So he was on

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<v Speaker 1>the trail to become one of the most wanted criminals

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<v Speaker 1>in America. So Kid Curry, a very liberal man of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty tents, and his friends started their outlet ways

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<v Speaker 1>with a little cattle rustling. But bustling did you say that, yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>I rustling, I said, I said, well, which I assume

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<v Speaker 1>is stealing cows, right, that's what it is. I never

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<v Speaker 1>really bought it to ask, I mean, I thought they

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<v Speaker 1>just to be honest, I just I just thought they

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<v Speaker 1>like would tickle them, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like the.

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<v Speaker 1>Hair your little cow. But it turns out but stealing

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<v Speaker 1>cows didn't really scratchy itch for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The more they got away with it, the more they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to try.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, cows are like they're like pringles. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>just can't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, we can only do about fifty a night.

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<v Speaker 2>Once you pop, you can't stop.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. So Kid Curry heard of another outlaw named

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<v Speaker 1>Butch Cassidy that had pulled off an eight thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>heights from a coal mine, and they were super inspired.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's because the mind company was called castle Gate.

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<v Speaker 1>So that heist became known by the badass name the

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<v Speaker 1>castle Gate Robbery. And that, my friends, is brandame baby. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>all A Sadden didn't have somebody like Pikes Landusky or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever being like can we name it after me? Like no,

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<v Speaker 1>fucking no.

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<v Speaker 2>They finally got it right with some branding. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So for the target of his first big robbery, Kit

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<v Speaker 1>Curry and his gang picked a bank in South Dakota.

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<v Speaker 1>They knew it well because it was a place where

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<v Speaker 1>cattle drivers would get together to deposit their money right,

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<v Speaker 1>so the gang expected it would hold about thirty thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which is about a million dollars in today's money. So

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<v Speaker 1>three days after the reunion, Kit Curry and five of

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<v Speaker 1>his cronies rode into town ready for a heist. But

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<v Speaker 1>things started to go kind of wrong from the start

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<v Speaker 1>because the man that they had sent us a lookout

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<v Speaker 1>to scout the location, he scouted this way right into

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking saloon. He was totally trash drunk. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time others arrived, he was drunk. He was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna scout this. I think that was a problem

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<v Speaker 1>a lot back then.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like like saloon's gotten away over a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of bit, Like how many.

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<v Speaker 1>Saloons would were they just in their place everywhere?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean when I imagine the Old West, I just

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<v Speaker 2>imagined saloons and like saloons porches. Yeah, everything has all

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<v Speaker 2>just people shooting you from a slightly elevated porch in

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<v Speaker 2>front of you from like winging awkwardly elevated.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not like not high enough where you have

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<v Speaker 1>to take a big step, but it's just like a

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<v Speaker 1>step from there. That's exactly what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And why the swinging doors. I have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>questions for them, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we will answer all of them after the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So without this guy, the robbers didn't They just rushed

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<v Speaker 1>into the bank with their guns drawn, demanding money. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't know what to expect, so they ordered everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to put their hands up, but then they just had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what to do next. So afterwards, the bystanders

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<v Speaker 1>said that they look really confused, like they didn't expect

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<v Speaker 1>the plan to actually worked. And I I love the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of like just the vicestanders giving them suggestions, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>be like, uh, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you're supposed to wave the gun around all of us.

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<v Speaker 2>It would make us I'm not feeling really threatened back here, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>can we? There's just your voice lacks like a confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to own the room, you know yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, call me a low life again, exactly like

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<v Speaker 1>they started collecting money from from all the customers in

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<v Speaker 1>the bank, but that took way too long because bystanders

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<v Speaker 1>started to notice them from the outside, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So now I'm sorry to stop you here, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're in a bank. Isn't there a vault? Like they're

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<v Speaker 2>going around a forgot each person.

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<v Speaker 1>One, one by fucking one. They asked them to give

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<v Speaker 1>them their money, which doesn't make any sense, right because.

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<v Speaker 2>They could have won to any They could have gone

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<v Speaker 2>to the saloon and done that. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're like, why is this fucking taking so long?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, because he didn't go to a fucking mault.

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<v Speaker 1>Man Like, because you're literally there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to imagine somebody be like, oh no, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, okay, moving on. That one didn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I only have a one? Is that okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Or can you can you change the change?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, give her change and make it snappy. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is when the drunk lookout finally sprung into action for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason. Finally, you know, he was super drunk. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's when when the bystanders from the outside started noticing.

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<v Speaker 1>He just started shooting randomly at them right right in

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<v Speaker 1>the street bystanders, and the bystanders looking into the bank like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck's going on in the bank. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>just like, ah, nothing to see here, shoot shoot at

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<v Speaker 1>your bank, bank, bank, this is totally normal. You're good,

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<v Speaker 1>You're okay, don't look here, just move along. So he

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<v Speaker 1>started shooting randomly at them in the street, and the

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<v Speaker 1>gunfires scared the robbers inside the bank.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, so they started.

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<v Speaker 1>Shooting wildly out of the windows, and then they ran

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<v Speaker 1>off before they could get into the bank safe. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it was just a complete confusion caused by moonshine whiskey.

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<v Speaker 1>So they rushed outside, they jumped on their horses and

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<v Speaker 1>galloped out of town. They came away with less than

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars in cash, which is I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>like three thousand something in today's money.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so when they went between them, not a big

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<v Speaker 2>not a big no no.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the shooting started, though, it scared the drunk

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<v Speaker 1>lookouts horse, which ran away.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, there it goes, there goes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's the actual sound of the actual horse actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and that horse's name was Sandwich McGillicuddy. Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it left him to get caught, right, Like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're the drunk guy by this point, and what do

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<v Speaker 1>you what do you think you do? Like your horse

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<v Speaker 1>ran away?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you're like, I mean I'd go back into the saloon.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I have friends in there. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't shoot anybody in there, right, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>He did something similar but way like less discreet. He

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<v Speaker 1>tried to act like he wasn't involved by running into

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<v Speaker 1>an outhouse and throwing his gun and his knife down

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<v Speaker 1>the hole, right, but like the townspeople have just watched

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<v Speaker 1>him shoot at them, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Make an id this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he took four steps to the outhouse. We're like,

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<v Speaker 1>we just saw you. So he pushed over the outhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>They raked through the ship, collected his weapons, and forced

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<v Speaker 1>him to confess to the crime and describe the outlawst plans.

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine being like, fine, I'll tell you. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>just stop waving that shitty gun in my face. That's

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<v Speaker 1>fucking nasty, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it weren't the outlaws plans clear at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>like why did why are these the townspeople asking him

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<v Speaker 2>to explain the plan? The plans? What did they want

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<v Speaker 2>to do? Did we went in to that bank with

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<v Speaker 2>those guns? What did you want?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they wanted you saw it, you were there, you

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<v Speaker 1>gave them suggestions and still how to do it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why you're asking me about it. So the

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<v Speaker 1>authorities across the West were on the lookout for kid Curry,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was recognized in Montana two months later while

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<v Speaker 1>buying camp supplies, so soon a posse was on his trail.

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<v Speaker 1>The posse was heavily armed and they caught up with

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<v Speaker 1>Curry and the Sundance kid while they were setting up camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Sundance was too far from his gear to make an escape,

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<v Speaker 1>but Kid Curry ran to his horse. He jumped on

0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and kicked into a gallop as he rode off, though

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<v Speaker 1>one of the posse fired his rifle, scared me and

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<v Speaker 1>shot a hole in Curry's wrist right. The bullet went

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<v Speaker 1>straight through the horse's neck too, so the horse collapsed

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<v Speaker 1>into a sand dune and Curry surrendered when the posse arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just keep in mind this shot in the

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<v Speaker 1>wrist because it will be importantly. That's called foreshadowing. In September,

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<v Speaker 1>the men were taking to Deadwood, South Dakota, where they

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<v Speaker 1>were held in the jail to stand trial. This is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly when Kid Curry made his first first jail break.

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<v Speaker 1>One night, when the jailer was coming back from a

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<v Speaker 1>date with his wife, good that they were keeping the

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<v Speaker 1>marriage alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think they went to the saloon too or

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<v Speaker 2>their restaurants.

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<v Speaker 1>They went to the saloon and then they went to

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<v Speaker 1>rob a bank real quick, and then they they checked

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<v Speaker 1>literally it.

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<v Speaker 2>They went to buy new swinging doors.

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<v Speaker 1>Honey, what do you like these doors? They're kind of swinging.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like our doors don't swing, like, Oh, get

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<v Speaker 3>you some swing doors, Jesus Christy they are so After

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<v Speaker 3>the day, they chicked in on the prisoners and he

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<v Speaker 3>saw that they were still locked in the building, but

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<v Speaker 3>they had somehow gotten out of their cells.

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<v Speaker 1>When he ordered them back inside so he could lock

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<v Speaker 1>them in, they said that their cells were closed and

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<v Speaker 1>that they were locked out. So confused the jailer, God

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<v Speaker 1>bless them. The jailer opened the prison to check the

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<v Speaker 1>locks on the cell doors, and the prisoners jumped him,

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<v Speaker 1>which was not anticipated by anybody in history.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, were so dumbe.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck? He's like, hey, get back in there, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>we're locked down. I was like, okay, I'll come in

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<v Speaker 1>and lock you on our system. Yeah okay, yeah you

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<v Speaker 1>get I'll come and figure it out for you. List once,

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<v Speaker 1>but next time it happens again, you do it by yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>So they beat his ass and they locked him and

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<v Speaker 1>his wife in the cell. Thankfully they didn't know. They

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<v Speaker 1>went on the date they got to go on, the

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<v Speaker 1>date they got into day, and like afterwards, they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you it's exhilarina? Is I you known escape? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, I don't totally fine at all. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry I didn't get you the swinging door. So you

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<v Speaker 1>said you wanted some excitement in your life. So more

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<v Speaker 1>than sixty men joined the search for the escapees over

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<v Speaker 1>the next few days, but false sightings had the authorities

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<v Speaker 1>running in circles. Es Kid Curry and the Sun Dance

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<v Speaker 1>Kid stole horses and made their escape. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get some really cool music because we're going to introduce

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<v Speaker 1>chapter three.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, there you go there, very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, very cool. So the fact that Kid Curry's

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<v Speaker 1>first bank heist didn't go very well didn't keep him

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<v Speaker 1>from planning more robberies, right, So him and the Sundance

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<v Speaker 1>Kid were treated to Utah, where they were welcomed by

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<v Speaker 1>a new part in crime, their bandit hero Butch Cassidy.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right there we go.

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<v Speaker 1>We get famous people here, betchay, what's going on? He's like, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I just met a guy called Salvatory Peninsula. So when

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<v Speaker 1>Curry's gang arrived at Butch Cassidy's hideout. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>first official meeting of the group that would become the

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<v Speaker 1>Wild Bunch, and for the next four years, Kid Curry,

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<v Speaker 1>Butch and the Sundance Kid would carry out a string

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest, most balls out heists in American history.

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<v Speaker 1>It started in July and eighteen ninety eight with a

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<v Speaker 1>train robbery in Nevada. Two robbers on the train forced

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<v Speaker 1>the engineer and the brakeman to stop at a mile

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<v Speaker 1>marker where Kit Curry was waiting with the horses. There,

0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 1>they used explosives to blow open the safe, demolishing an

0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.720
<v Speaker 1>entire train car in the process, which seems successive. I'm

0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.200
<v Speaker 1>just going to say that, So.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a safe on the train.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a safe on the train, and that's the money.

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<v Speaker 2>That the people paid to get on the train.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's like they're transporting money.

0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.480
<v Speaker 2>They're transporting money. It's going from one place to another. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a specific train. They didn't specific train. They

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<v Speaker 2>weren't like trains have a lot of money. Let's go

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<v Speaker 2>rob a train. I'm tied.

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<v Speaker 1>These banks, man, these trains they're just like the banks,

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<v Speaker 1>so predictably lucrative let me make it, let me work

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<v Speaker 1>for it, let me work for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a chance, maybe this train.

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<v Speaker 1>So newspaper said that they made off with anything from

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<v Speaker 1>nine thou to twenty six thousand dollars, which in today's

0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.760
<v Speaker 1>world would be almost a million dollars. So that's not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's thilly of them, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, listen, listen. If this show was named the

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<v Speaker 1>Greatest Heists, we might go into detail about them, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna quickly name you what they were. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So we have the Wilcox train robbery. Sh there you go,

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<v Speaker 1>the Fullsome train robbery, the Tipton train robbery, the Exeter

0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Creek train robbery, and all the other train robberies. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so listen. Over the next couple of years, Kid Curry

0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:19.680
<v Speaker 1>and the gang used to same method to pull off

0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.520
<v Speaker 1>a string of infamous train robberies, and after each one

0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:24.359
<v Speaker 1>he would just kind of lie low and chill for

0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.040
<v Speaker 1>a few months and just enjoy himself. I mean, in

0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.200
<v Speaker 1>today's money, they were each getting like four hundred thousand

0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.240
<v Speaker 1>dollars a pop. I don't know if you had that

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<v Speaker 1>much money drop into your lap all at once, how

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<v Speaker 1>would you spend it.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have paid fish to come play in my

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<v Speaker 2>backyard and not do that whole thing all over again,

0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.240
<v Speaker 2>y two K and everything. So listen.

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<v Speaker 1>So between jobs, the gang would split, it would split up, right,

0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Kid Curry would travel from town to town playing cool,

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<v Speaker 1>drinking apricot brandy and telling people that he met that

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<v Speaker 1>he was a railroad man. What can we assume with

0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 1>a dude who drinks apricot brandy, Like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, Yeah, it's very And that was pretty sophisticated.

0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he'sds twirling his mustache and you know, in my

0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.400
<v Speaker 1>he really had a sick ass mustache.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean didn't I guess everybody had a mustache back then. Yeah,

0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:16.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, they had different trademarks.

0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:17.840
<v Speaker 1>And that was one of his.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are they why are they both? Kid? By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the deal? Like? How old are these guys? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Seventy two?

0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Geriatric? Kid?

0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Kid Curry actually partied the hardest. He was the kind

0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:37.359
<v Speaker 1>of a bad boy of the wild Bunch, and he

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<v Speaker 1>got a reputation both as the infamous killer of the

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:46.199
<v Speaker 1>crew but also as the most frequent lover. Yes yeah,

0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 1>women across the West claim that he was the father

0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.120
<v Speaker 1>of their children, and if all the stories were true,

0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 1>he would have had like eighty five kids. Wow, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, that fucking thing plays in my head if

0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I play, Like if somehow I leave the computer on

0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and I hear that in the middle of the night,

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:07.159
<v Speaker 1>I will die of a heart attack. You know how

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.920
<v Speaker 1>they say that there's no more beautiful sound than that

0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.919
<v Speaker 1>of a baby's laughter unless you live by yourself, and

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:14.040
<v Speaker 1>there is no baby, you know.

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:16.159
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I have two children, and I

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.159
<v Speaker 2>can't stand babies, and I hate and that sound is

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 2>trauma regering for me too.

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, So this guy's this guy's going around.

0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.919
<v Speaker 2>He's banging left and rights, he's having sex.

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 1>He's a railroad man. He's drinking.

0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 2>She's got the Is he the one with the appercop Brandy?

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he loves the apracom venny.

0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:36.480
<v Speaker 2>So okay.

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Every now and then the Wild Bunge would get back

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 1>together and for some harmless fun, right Like in December

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen hundred, Kid Curry, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Kid all got together with a few of the other

0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.920
<v Speaker 1>friends for a wedding where they took the now very

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.880
<v Speaker 1>famous picture. So It shows them in perfectly tailored suits

0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 1>with show we watch chains ties and waistcoasts, and apparently

0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 1>they'd all gotten new bowler hats and they tossed them

0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 1>on their head at jaunty angles because they're like, oh,

0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.320
<v Speaker 1>are you doing? Are you doing, johnd Angle? I'm doing, John.

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:07.679
<v Speaker 2>These guys are adorable. They're so cute.

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.639
<v Speaker 1>So the string of successful robberies by the Wild Bunch

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 1>was of course drawing a lot of attention, and that

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.439
<v Speaker 1>included the attention of the railroad's favorite protection service, the

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Pinkerton Detective Agency, which I don't know why they spoke

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:27.360
<v Speaker 1>like that, but that's historically accurate. When the photographer gave

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 1>his negatives to the Pinkertons, that famous photograph became the

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.640
<v Speaker 1>wanted poster for the Wild Bunch. It was printed all

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<v Speaker 1>across America.

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:35.480
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I heard some people started to send their loved ones

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:40.119
<v Speaker 1>the picks that they want used if they ever go missing.

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.240
<v Speaker 1>You know. But I'm wondering, like, is there one that

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you would not want to be stuck with ever?

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean, if you google image me pre two thousand,

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 2>let's say nine, any of those pictures that was just a.

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Huge yes, you can smell the X bodiespoke exactly.

0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:59.600
<v Speaker 2>It was ever mean. Everybody was a disaster back then,

0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 2>but I I was not the exception.

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:06.920
<v Speaker 1>So once everyone started to recognize their faces, members of

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the Wild Bunch started to get picked off. Some were killed,

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.959
<v Speaker 1>others were caught and locked up for their crimes, and

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>eventually Butch and the Sundance Kid decided to take their

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>money and leave the country. They thought if they could

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>make it to South America, they could become like legitimate

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:24.200
<v Speaker 1>farmers there. So in March of nineteen oh one, they

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 1>boarded a ship for Argentina carrying twelve thousand dollars.

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 2>In gold, which I imagine is heavy.

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. They probably had a bunch of chests.

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 1>And I love that people in the steamer are being like,

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, they seemed perfectly normal to have twelve

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 1>chests of heavy shot.

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:40.919
<v Speaker 2>They don't seem to change into a lot of different clothes,

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 2>but they packed a lot.

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what kept striking that pose of that

0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:46.000
<v Speaker 1>of those wild Wold Bunch guys.

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 2>They were taking picture.

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 1>They came once with the Apple brand. Another picture again, Yeah,

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.719
<v Speaker 1>carry on the other side. Yeah, he believed this one

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 1>at sunset. Yeah, this whe in moonlight.

0:25:58.680 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 2>The guys are adorable.

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.680
<v Speaker 1>So Kid Curry, on the other hand, believed that there

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 1>were still places in the United States where he could

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.120
<v Speaker 1>hide out, living under a false identity, and he might

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 1>even try to pull off another heister through things had

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 1>gone according to Plant so far, so he thought he

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 1>was untouchable. But he was wrong. So with Butch and

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the Sundance Kid off the scene, Kid Curry became the

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>biggest name of the Wild Bunch still at large in

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 1>the USA. In September nineteen oh one, Kid Curry was

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 1>traveling across the South and he was staying in luxury

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 1>hotels and entertaining himself at Brothels and pool halls.

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 2>By the way, you asked me what I would do

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>if someone just dumped a bunch of money into my lap.

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I think Kid Curry and I would be would be

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 2>pretty similar hotel.

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Also, also, I'm noticing that nineteen oh one now has

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.119
<v Speaker 1>pool hall, So we moved on from Saloons and that

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 1>was there's Brothels pool How is the diversifying.

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:58.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just sort of an old Vegas. It just

0:26:58.400 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 2>sounds like everything.

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>It's just everything goes. But Kid Curry ran into some trouble.

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Don't don't dunt.

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>He was traveling with a girlfriend when she was arrested

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>at a Nashville bank trying to exchange some of the

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>money that they had stolen from a train. The Pinkertons

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and the police they had kept a strict account of

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>the numbered bills that they were missing, right, so now

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>they knew someone connected with the train robberies was attempting

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:27.680
<v Speaker 1>to spend money in Nashville, so they closed in. So

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>when his girlfriend didn't come back from the bank, Kid

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.959
<v Speaker 1>Curry got spooked. He was sure that the detectives had

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.199
<v Speaker 1>nabbed her, so he hiked into the Tennessee Mountains to

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.360
<v Speaker 1>hide out. But you know, Kit Curry isn't really cut

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 1>out for the quiet life, and after a few weeks

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>he started to get wrestless. So you're Kid Curry, you're

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>chilling in the Tennessee Mountains. You're bored out of your mind.

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 1>How do you cook up a little excitement? What do

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>you do? How do you fill your time?

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Maybe write a musical? Is that? Yes?

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:54.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes? And that's what he did? Okay, f.

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Music The One Man's show yey.

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome everybody to that huh came.

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Out whoaa, And this is how Oklahoma started exact hu

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Jegman started that in nineteen oh one.

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>So he waited until he thought that the investigation had

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>blown over, and he decided to go for another round

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>of good times in Knoxville. On Friday, December the thirteenth,

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Curry was at the Knoxville Central Bar when he had

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>some mad luck For Kit Curry, he made the trouble himself.

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 1>So he was playing cards with other regulars when something

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 1>set him off and he attacked two of the other players,

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 1>choking and hitting them, and they just started Yeah, there

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>you go, there's a bar bystanders. They started brawling and

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the noise of the fight brought in two police officers

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 1>who were walking by on the street. When they got closed,

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 1>they tried to ask him questions. Kit Curry pulled out

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>a gun from his jacket and started shooting. Yep, that's yeah.

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>The two officers were close enough to club him with

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 1>their sticks.

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>And what terrible aim he has if they're close enough

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 2>to club him.

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why are he's getting well across Brandy? I think

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>is to blame him much afric Yeah, so one even

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>splintered his club over Curry's head, but both men ended

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>the fight with bullet wounds from Curry. So Kid Curry

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>ran out into the dark knight trailing blood. The local

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>shaff brought in dogs and tracked him through the night,

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>and police calmed the area. Kid Curry was finally caught

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>thirty miles north walking the railroad tracks, and once he

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 1>was in custody, they worked to identify him. Remember how

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 1>they would have identify him the rest The gunshot wound

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>in his rest gave him rind of a buzz everybody wow, yeah, gloves,

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>So they realized that he was He had been captured

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 1>in Montana, and they were super ecstatic. Right, the prisoner

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>was Kid Curry. The wildness of the wild Bunch. When

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.960
<v Speaker 1>he was finally brought to Knox County jail, ward had

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 1>already spread. He was met by a crowd of hundreds

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>just there to watch him get thrown into jail. Wow.

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 1>It took almost like a year and a half for

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Kit Curry's case to go through the courts. The local

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>sheriff had to fend off visitors and intercept packages of

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 1>escape tools like hacksaws, etc. Now, clearly Curry had friends

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>on the outside who were trying to get him out. However,

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>nobody actually liked him in the courtroom because in November,

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>kid Curry was sentenced to one hundred and thirty years

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>of hard labor in the federal penitentiary. So kit Curry

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>decided to take his freedom into his own hands. A

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>few days later, as the jailer was making his rounds

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 1>to check in on the prisoner, kit Curry called him

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to look out the window, but when he did, the

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>jailer found a loop of wire whipped over his head,

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>dropped down over his neck, and kid Curry pulled it tight.

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 1>With the wire cutting into his throat, the guard was

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>forced to put his hands through the bars, where kit

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Curry tied him in place. Now, once the guard was bound,

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>kid Curry pulled a long makeshift grappling hook from its

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>hiding place in the prison bathroom and from the jail hallway.

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>He was able to reach through the bars and hook

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the sh shoe box that held the guard's weapons. Like

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>this is like some cartoon shit, right.

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm so silly because I'm expecting this sort of andy

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 2>de frame kind of like like smart shawshank, you know,

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>escape and no, this is my man, kid, He's gonna

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 2>be it's gonna be blunt force.

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>He's not gonna be bothered by the mathematics.

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 2>No math, yeah, no, no crawling.

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna reach for that shoe. Oh so, police station,

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>you have your shit in like a shoe box like thing,

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.479
<v Speaker 1>and like it's in visibility for other prisoners. Probably not

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the best idea. So he pulled it over and now

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 1>he had a cold forty five and then he waited.

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>A second guard had the prison keys. So at four

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 1>point eighty that afternoon, the man arrived and kid Curry

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:45.959
<v Speaker 1>was held on the second floor and as soon as

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>the jailer reached the top of the steps, he was

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 1>looking down the barrel of a pistol. The choice was clear,

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>opened the prison door immediately or die. Oh yeah. Curry

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 1>gathered his things, holding the man at gunpoint, and when

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>he was he put the gun in the guard's back

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>and walked him downstairs and out to the stable. Kid

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Curry forced the guard to prepare him a horse, and

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>he chose the one belonging to the local sheriff, James Fox.

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Why that's insult to injury, isn't it?

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Like? Why take the share him a horse? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I said a course, and I was like, of course,

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 2>this is this dude's.

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I needed to take a quick course on how to.

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Probably a course like a part of a meal, you know, like, oh,

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:25.959
<v Speaker 2>the guy had to prepare him.

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to.

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Make me a bo bay.

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he wanted a course on musical theater writing skills.

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 1>So once a horse was ready, Kid Curry jumped into

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the saddle and trotted out of town. He was seen

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>by people all along the road. Some of them didn't

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 1>recognize him, but since he was riding slowly, he didn't

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>raise suspicions. There's some accounts that a few Knoxville residents

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't know who he was and called their friends to

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>come and see. As the infamous Kit Curry rode out

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>of town. As usual, pose gathered, but they weren't able

0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 1>to track him down. For more than fifteen miles. Before

0:32:59.880 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 1>that lost his trail, Kid Curry vanished into legend. You're

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>ready for the last bit of this, riding off into

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<v Speaker 1>the sunset? Yes, yes, sunset, thank you. So what happened

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<v Speaker 1>next for Kid Curry is a mystery right all through

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh four. Stories and legends from across the West

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<v Speaker 1>placed him in Unsolved train robberies and shootouts where the

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<v Speaker 1>gunman wasn't identified and among the thieves when horses went missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Other papers reported that he was in Wyoming or Montana.

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<v Speaker 1>A letter actually arrived at the Knoxville jail and said,

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<v Speaker 1>tell the boys not to follow my footsteps and keep

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<v Speaker 1>out of trouble. It had a California mailing address and

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<v Speaker 1>sent the pinkertons on a cross country wild goose chase.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>After one Colorado train robbery in nineteen oh four, sheriff

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 1>deputies arrived quickly on the scene. More than one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>men with horses and bloodhounds hunted down the bandits, and

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<v Speaker 1>rainfall made their tracks easy to follow in the mud

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>with the posse close after them. The bandit stopped at

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 1>arranged to steel fresh horses, but the owners somehow didn't

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>like that weird, so the men exchanged gunfire with the

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>bandits and one of the robbers was hit in the chest.

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<v Speaker 1>Now before his buddies could stop him, he raised his

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<v Speaker 1>gun to a semple and he shouted, don't wait for me,

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and he fired now. When the body was brought to

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<v Speaker 1>Glenwood Springs, Colorado, it was actually identified by locals as

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<v Speaker 1>a man named J. H. Ross and buried in a

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.839
<v Speaker 1>poor man's grave. Except there were two things that raised

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:32.439
<v Speaker 1>some questions about the real identity of the body. Number

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 1>one the fact that the real J. H. Ross arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in town a few days later to prove that he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't dead. He was like, what the fuck you, guys,

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and why's my wife with somebody in two days?

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second is that the body had the scar

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>of a bullet wound on his right wrist. Motherfuckers, my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>But people just didn't want to believe that kid Curry

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<v Speaker 1>was dead, you know. They wanted to believe that he

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<v Speaker 1>made it through the firefight and that he lived on

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<v Speaker 1>in secret. A lot of denial, you know. So one

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 1>story says that Kit Curry actually died in an asylum

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirty seven. Another one says, no, no, actually

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>he settled down in Spokane, Washington and lived until the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen fifties. Another one says, no, he moved to Guatemala,

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>became an actor, it got dimples, and it's still living.

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<v Speaker 1>It like, wait, what the fuck? But then there is

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<v Speaker 1>one last I was referring to myself, okay, but there's

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 1>one last toice to these myths. Okay, some of Kit

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<v Speaker 1>Curry's descendants have wanted to dig up the body in

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado to do some genetic testing to verify where he's buried,

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<v Speaker 1>but when they arrived, the body could not be found.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, I knew it.

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<v Speaker 1>The records of the burial plot were lost. And that's

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:51.439
<v Speaker 1>a story of Kit Curry. Everybody, ye ya, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, I'm still stuck on how old is this?

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.359
<v Speaker 2>How old is kid? Because he's he's doing all these

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 2>robberies and everything, and at the turn of the century,

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<v Speaker 2>and then some accounts have him living until mid century nineteen.

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.719
<v Speaker 1>So let's say he was doing the robberies robberies in

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<v Speaker 1>his uh late teens or eighteens, it would have to

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 1>be well, but you're right, though, because if he was

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 1>arranging for ten years, he must have been older than that.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say, like from twenty five to thirty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and then if he died in the fifties, he must

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>have been.

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<v Speaker 2>What if he's a bunch of people, you know, like

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>what if he's not just one guy eight algamation like

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 2>doctor Strange, like Doctor Strange or Shakespeare. But isn't that fascinating?

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 2>That is that's pretty that's pretty crazy. And his buddies

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.439
<v Speaker 2>who I know who I've heard of way more are

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 2>just off in South America ranching and they just have

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 2>accents now and they took like this and they like it,

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 2>like they immediately adopted the accents immediately.

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 2>What are what are ridiculous Latin names that you think

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>they chose as their alias?

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Dansa they didn't really like high round.

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 2>They didn't do they didn't change.

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, like they really they.

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Added maybe one more syllable that was about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then how can people find you?

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Do you want my address? Yes?

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 1>How can How can people.

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Coming from the one oh one?

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything you'd like people to check out or

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 1>or be aware of?

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 2>No? I mean there's the things that I've done. There's

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 2>things I've got coming up that I that aren't talk

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 2>about able yet. I mean, I've got a I've got

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 2>an animated show called Monsters at Work on Disney. It's

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 2>super that's the Monster's univer Monsters And that's awesome.

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I wrote, Yeah, I love the monsters.

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 2>It so fights me and and it's all that you know,

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:41.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like Billy Crystal and Jen Goodman and all the

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like Mindy Kayling and I Winkler.

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>It's such a cool of course, sweetest guy in the world,

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>and he is the best listen. I always believe that,

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 1>like old timey Western country songs are just kind of

0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:57.880
<v Speaker 1>describing what you're doing at that present moment. You know,

0:37:58.080 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>this is like a comedian said this joke before. But

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 1>what what I've noticed is that they're just running out

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>of shit to say about their days. So now it's

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 1>getting even more mundane. So as an outdro we would

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 1>like to have Ben play some music and us to

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 1>make up some really stupid lyrics to that.

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Would you be up for that? Yeah, it's just stuff

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:15.400
<v Speaker 2>we're doing right now.

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Stuff we're doing right now. What we think about the episode,

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 1>fuck it whatever, that's, whatever goes. If it doesn't work,

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:21.359
<v Speaker 1>we'll totally cut it out.

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Sure, No, we won't.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Ben, give us some good So this is like

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.279
<v Speaker 1>old timey country, but it's like Neil Young kind of.

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:32.439
<v Speaker 2>Okay soft, there's heart to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Argentina in the distance, can you see it?

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Butch oh? Are we the characters from the story?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Butch can you see what I see? I see

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the hole in your wrist. It's getting deeper and deeper.

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>But a day should put a bend aid on in

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<v Speaker 1>rapper called whiskey, the Apricott whiskey. I've had all the fruits.

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I've tried with cranberry and it didn't work. That Brandy

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<v Speaker 1>t is nice Apricot Brandy for live.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>God, this has been such a pleasure, Ben, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much, brother, And we'll give you the rights of

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<v Speaker 1>the music once we played.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that song is gonna be huge. That's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to come up

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<v Speaker 2>with like a music like I'm Kid Feldman.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're kidman who likes Kurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Massamon Feldman.

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