1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Olla, mios. This is Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you 2 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: the wildest true escape stories of all time. Today we're 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: telling an iconic story of the Old West, getting into 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: the life and escapes of Kid Curry, the wildness of 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: the Wild Bunch. I'm Aartoro Castro, and my guest today 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: is actor, producer and incredibly generous lover Ben Feldman. Ah wow, Ben, 7 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. 8 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Thank you for that incredible 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: intro music. That was really it'd be really funny if 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: you went straight from that into like a really kind 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: of Maudlin sad like. 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: Yes, So then everybody the story begins with everybody dying 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: and how that has affected masculinity throughout the generations. 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: So, Ben, what do you consider to be You're a 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: great as escape. No, you know what's funny is I 16 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: was thinking about it this morning because I was thinking 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: about escapes, and I guess I'm constantly having to be 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: reminded just sort of what a hashtag blast life I've had. 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: I was like, have you ever been trapped? And I had, 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I've been trapped in like boring what like 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 2: there's been like jobs that I've bailed on and stuff 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: like that. But that's not interesting. I kept coming back 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: to I got trapped in my head because I accidentally 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: took mescaline at a concert. 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Yes, the year was nineteen sixty four. Well exactly, nobody 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: takes messal what does can you hear? Mescaline is essentially peyote, 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: And like I was at a fish concert. 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: At turn of the century y two K, like the 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: two thousand when we all thought the computers were going 30 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: to kill us, and it was like a three day 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: event and by the third day, no one could find 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: any molly, like is what we were looking for? This 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: feels wrong to tell guess whatever familiar, but we were 34 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: looking around everything was you know, it was just like dry, 35 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: like there was just nothing. And then we kept kind 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: of yelling out for it, and all of a sudden, 37 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: this guy dressed as the Grim Reaper and by the way, 38 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: like I was like a theater major that like I 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: should understand foreshadowing. The Grim Reaper literally shows up and 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: is like, I've got all the molly you want, and 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: he gave us these pills and so we started watching 42 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: the show and I'm standing next to this guy who 43 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: was like a huge he had a problem and I 44 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: just happen to be standing next to him, so I'm 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: kind of keeping up with him, and like he took 46 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: his first one, and then he took his second one, 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: and so I kept taking him. And then suddenly everybody 48 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: was a demon, like everybody's faces, and I looked around 49 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: and I was like, I got to get out of here. 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: Everybody's turned into a demon. And so I guess there 51 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: is an escape because I'm leaving my friends. But I'll 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: take like one step and then I'll turn around and 53 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: they're like twenty yards away from me, and then they're 54 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: demons and people are melting into my shoulder. And then 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: I looked down at the gun and I thought it 56 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: was a battlefield because there's just bodies everywhere which were 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: in retrospect, probably people just like laying down, but to 58 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: me having. 59 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: The time of their lives. 60 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: So they to me, this was just a what post? 61 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: Why are these soldiers dancing in rhythm? 62 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all of these things. And then the sun 63 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: came up and I saw everybody kind of wander back 64 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: to the tent like zombies. And I don't really remember 65 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: anything except the next thing I knew, I was in 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: a car with my friend Lily and we drove back 67 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: from Florida. Oh. 68 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: Man, that's a great story. 69 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: That's a great escape. That's that's like when I think 70 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: about like getting trapped. Yeah, I'm trotted in my own head. 71 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: That was a fantastic skit. In fact, we have one 72 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: of the producers, Carl, you here to tell me that 73 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do any of that. 74 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: No. 75 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: No, Carl is like is having PTSD from the time 76 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: when him and I went to see an aqua concert 77 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: in Sweden in nineteen ninety eight. Man, that was a 78 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: fucking time, wasn't it. When they played I'm a Barbie Girl. 79 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: I was a Barbie girl. I literally was a Barbie girl. 80 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: Ah, let me ask you something. And have you ever 81 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: considered robbing a train? Only? 82 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: Every day? When I think of all the places i'd 83 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: love to rob, which I do often, train is not 84 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: high on the list. It does not seem like a 85 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: very lucrative loot for me. 86 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: Do you like westerns is out of things? 87 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's a good one, I don't know. 88 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: Well, today I'm going to tell you the greatest Western you've. 89 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: Ever heard of? Yellow Stony. I like yellow. 90 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yellow stony. That's right, Kevin Cassler is coming on. 91 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: Just like you're opening song. 92 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: That's right, Well, let's escape, shall we ye? So Born 93 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: in Iowa in eighteen sixty seven, Harvey Logan and his 94 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: brother started out as wandering ranch hands and horse breakers, 95 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: working across the West from Wyoming to Colorado and then 96 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: down south all the way to Texas. No one knows 97 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: exactly why he changed his name, to be honest, maybe 98 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: it was just a line of work, but at some 99 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: point Harvey decided it would be best to choose an alias. 100 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: So when he arrived in Rocky Point, Montana in the 101 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: fall of eighteen eighty four, he introduced himself as Harvey 102 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: Curry ODI partner, Curry Curry. That's right. He was ahead 103 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: of the game in the Southeast Asian food spice market. 104 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: You know, I was expecting something a little more west. 105 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: You know, they all had nicknames. I was about to say, what. 106 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: Of course, he changed his name to steel Toe, bullet 107 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: chewer or whatever they called it, and he was Yeah, 108 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: he was just like Harvey Potpourrie was taking. 109 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: So. Historians guessed that Harvey was trying to outrun the 110 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: law because of a saloon brawl in Colorado. Also his 111 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: older brother was trying to make sure that he couldn't 112 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: be tracked down by his wife. Ben. Give me ah, 113 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: there you go, I. 114 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: Could do your sound effects. So anyway, this guy, this cowboy, 115 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: mister Curry. 116 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the local Montana ranchers said that Harvey 117 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: and his brother were the best cattle ropers around. They 118 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: were known for being hard working and good natured. So 119 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 1: it sounds like he's got a nice life of cattle 120 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: ranching ahead of him. But all that changed in eighteen 121 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: ninety four when Harvey tracked down his neighbor, Pike Lindunsky 122 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: at a bar. Pike, that's right. So the two men, 123 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: these two men, these two neighbors had been feuding and 124 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: Harvey wanted to settle the score. We found Pike probably 125 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: a fucking alien. 126 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: So that's just great name though. I like the name Pike. 127 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 1: So he found him drinking at a bar and tapped 128 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: him on the shoulder and as he was turning around, 129 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: Harvey bam hit him in the jaw. Give me a yeah, 130 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: that's right, give me a yeah. Yeah, that's okay, that 131 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: won't hurt, Okay, that's is that the bar oo? 132 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an audience, right, wow. 133 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: Good. So Harvey hit him in the jaw with a 134 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: right hook. Pike hit him back, and then the two 135 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: men ended up rolling on the floor. 136 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: Right. 137 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: Harvey ended up on top of Pike, punching him until 138 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: the bystanders begged him to stop. Right, that's right, they 139 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: got there. They only have one level and that is shock, 140 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: So that that might have been the end of things. 141 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: But as Harvey was walking away, Pike drew his pistol 142 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: and he pointed it to Harvey's back and he pulled 143 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: the trigger. But the gun jam. 144 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: No, no, I thought that only happened in movies. 145 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some embellishment here from I don't know. 146 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: It's fucking the West. Everybody's right, he's gun jammed, it responds. 147 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't buy it, but fuck it, I'm 148 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: saying it anyway. In response, Harvey shot Pike three times 149 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: in the chest. Can you like that is such classic 150 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Western shit? 151 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: Though? Is it a three times the amount of times 152 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: he shot him? 153 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: Like the gun jams and they're like, you know, you're 154 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: beating him up and you were like walking away, all cool? 155 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: Well, what I don't understand is like, if there are 156 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: no rules, we can all use our guns and shoot 157 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: each other. Why are they rolling around before they got 158 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: to the rolling around on the floor part. I can't 159 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: believe a gun didn't come out. Why did the gun 160 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: not come out until sort of there he's exiting. 161 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: I know, maybe they just wanted to like duke it out, 162 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, right, he didn't intend to kill Pike, but 163 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: then you know, got he got bystanders. I mean we've 164 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: heard him. They sounded fucking cool from whatever. 165 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: You got to shoot someone if you want to hear 166 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: the ooze and eyes. 167 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: Exactly, I get it. I totally got it. 168 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: Oh did someone drop something? Yeah? 169 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: Are those chains? 170 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: There was total chaos. He had one of those chain 171 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: wallets on and that was. 172 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: Just he just kept beating on the floor as he's 173 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: beating his ass. So Harvey's life of cattle ranching was 174 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: over from then on, right, he went on the run, 175 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: but he knew where he was going to go. He 176 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: set out for a banded camp called Hole in the Wall, 177 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: and he had some friends there. You see, while he 178 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: was running cattle, Harvey met some extremely wild dudes, including 179 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: a man who would served time for horse thieving in Sundance. 180 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: And his name is Jasper Rebindo and his name is 181 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: cho Lemons. 182 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 183 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: So this was in Sunhans, Wyoming, Y. Of course, Sundance 184 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: Kid that was there, it is. Yeah, So Harvey Curry 185 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: now had a body to his name and met up 186 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: with the one and only Sundance Kid. Right, so soon 187 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: he had a new name to go with his new friend. 188 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: They called him Kid Curry. Whoa wow, Kid Curry. 189 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds really modern, that sounds yeah. 190 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and he had an awesome album, yeah exactly 191 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: in twenty ten. 192 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: He's like the liberal version of kid rock. 193 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, that's right. 194 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: He's on the trail for Biden. 195 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: Not that's why he's seen the ways he used to 196 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: be right now he's bar leve. So he was on 197 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: the trail to become one of the most wanted criminals 198 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: in America. So Kid Curry, a very liberal man of 199 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: the twenty tents, and his friends started their outlet ways 200 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: with a little cattle rustling. But bustling did you say that, yes, sir, 201 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: I rustling, I said, I said, well, which I assume 202 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: is stealing cows, right, that's what it is. I never 203 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: really bought it to ask, I mean, I thought they 204 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: just to be honest, I just I just thought they 205 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: like would tickle them, you know. 206 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: I was just like the. 207 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: Hair your little cow. But it turns out but stealing 208 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: cows didn't really scratchy itch for him. 209 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: Right. 210 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: The more they got away with it, the more they 211 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: wanted to try. 212 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: You know, cows are like they're like pringles. You can't 213 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: just can't. 214 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: It's like, we can only do about fifty a night. 215 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: Once you pop, you can't stop. 216 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: That's right. So Kid Curry heard of another outlaw named 217 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: Butch Cassidy that had pulled off an eight thousand dollars 218 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: heights from a coal mine, and they were super inspired. 219 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: Maybe that's because the mind company was called castle Gate. 220 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: So that heist became known by the badass name the 221 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: castle Gate Robbery. And that, my friends, is brandame baby. Wow, 222 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: all A Sadden didn't have somebody like Pikes Landusky or 223 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: whatever being like can we name it after me? Like no, 224 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: fucking no. 225 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: They finally got it right with some branding. Yeah. 226 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: So for the target of his first big robbery, Kit 227 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: Curry and his gang picked a bank in South Dakota. 228 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: They knew it well because it was a place where 229 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: cattle drivers would get together to deposit their money right, 230 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: so the gang expected it would hold about thirty thousand dollars, 231 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: which is about a million dollars in today's money. So 232 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: three days after the reunion, Kit Curry and five of 233 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: his cronies rode into town ready for a heist. But 234 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: things started to go kind of wrong from the start 235 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: because the man that they had sent us a lookout 236 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: to scout the location, he scouted this way right into 237 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: a fucking saloon. He was totally trash drunk. By the 238 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: time others arrived, he was drunk. He was just like, 239 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna scout this. I think that was a problem 240 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: a lot back then. 241 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: I feel like like saloon's gotten away over a lot 242 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: of bit, Like how many. 243 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: Saloons would were they just in their place everywhere? 244 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: I mean when I imagine the Old West, I just 245 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: imagined saloons and like saloons porches. Yeah, everything has all 246 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: just people shooting you from a slightly elevated porch in 247 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: front of you from like winging awkwardly elevated. 248 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: But it's not like not high enough where you have 249 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: to take a big step, but it's just like a 250 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: step from there. That's exactly what it was. 251 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: And why the swinging doors. I have a lot of 252 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 2: questions for them, but. 253 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: That's why we will answer all of them after the show. 254 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: So without this guy, the robbers didn't They just rushed 255 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: into the bank with their guns drawn, demanding money. You know, 256 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: they didn't know what to expect, so they ordered everyone 257 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: to put their hands up, but then they just had 258 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: no idea what to do next. So afterwards, the bystanders 259 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: said that they look really confused, like they didn't expect 260 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: the plan to actually worked. And I I love the 261 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: idea of like just the vicestanders giving them suggestions, you know, 262 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: be like, uh, I. 263 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 2: Think you're supposed to wave the gun around all of us. 264 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: It would make us I'm not feeling really threatened back here, sorry, 265 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: can we? There's just your voice lacks like a confidence. 266 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: You need to own the room, you know yourself. 267 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: That's right, call me a low life again, exactly like 268 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: they started collecting money from from all the customers in 269 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: the bank, but that took way too long because bystanders 270 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: started to notice them from the outside, right. 271 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: Right, So now I'm sorry to stop you here, but 272 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: they're in a bank. Isn't there a vault? Like they're 273 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 2: going around a forgot each person. 274 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: One, one by fucking one. They asked them to give 275 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: them their money, which doesn't make any sense, right because. 276 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: They could have won to any They could have gone 277 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: to the saloon and done that. That's right. 278 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: But they're like, why is this fucking taking so long? 279 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: I was like, because he didn't go to a fucking mault. 280 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: Man Like, because you're literally there. 281 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 282 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: I love to imagine somebody be like, oh no, sorry, 283 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, moving on. That one didn't work. 284 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: You know, I only have a one? Is that okay? 285 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: Or can you can you change the change? 286 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: Okay, give her change and make it snappy. So this 287 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: is when the drunk lookout finally sprung into action for 288 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: some reason. Finally, you know, he was super drunk. So 289 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: he's when when the bystanders from the outside started noticing. 290 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: He just started shooting randomly at them right right in 291 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: the street bystanders, and the bystanders looking into the bank like, oh, 292 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: what the fuck's going on in the bank. So he's 293 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: just like, ah, nothing to see here, shoot shoot at 294 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: your bank, bank, bank, this is totally normal. You're good, 295 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 1: You're okay, don't look here, just move along. So he 296 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: started shooting randomly at them in the street, and the 297 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: gunfires scared the robbers inside the bank. 298 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: Uh, so they started. 299 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: Shooting wildly out of the windows, and then they ran 300 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: off before they could get into the bank safe. Right, 301 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: So it was just a complete confusion caused by moonshine whiskey. 302 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: So they rushed outside, they jumped on their horses and 303 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: galloped out of town. They came away with less than 304 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: one hundred dollars in cash, which is I don't know, 305 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: like three thousand something in today's money. 306 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: Right, so when they went between them, not a big 307 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: not a big no no. 308 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: So when the shooting started, though, it scared the drunk 309 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: lookouts horse, which ran away. 310 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: Of course, there it goes, there goes. 311 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: That's that's the actual sound of the actual horse actually, 312 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: and that horse's name was Sandwich McGillicuddy. Yeah, that's right. 313 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: So it left him to get caught, right, Like, if 314 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: you're the drunk guy by this point, and what do 315 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: you what do you think you do? Like your horse 316 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: ran away? 317 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: Like you're like, I mean I'd go back into the saloon. 318 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: I feel like I have friends in there. You know, 319 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: you didn't shoot anybody in there, right, yeah, but. 320 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: He did something similar but way like less discreet. He 321 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: tried to act like he wasn't involved by running into 322 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: an outhouse and throwing his gun and his knife down 323 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: the hole, right, but like the townspeople have just watched 324 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: him shoot at them, So. 325 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: Make an id this guy. 326 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, he took four steps to the outhouse. We're like, 327 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: we just saw you. So he pushed over the outhouse. 328 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: They raked through the ship, collected his weapons, and forced 329 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: him to confess to the crime and describe the outlawst plans. 330 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: I can imagine being like, fine, I'll tell you. Also, 331 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: just stop waving that shitty gun in my face. That's 332 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: fucking nasty, you know. 333 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it weren't the outlaws plans clear at this point, 334 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: like why did why are these the townspeople asking him 335 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: to explain the plan? The plans? What did they want 336 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: to do? Did we went in to that bank with 337 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: those guns? What did you want? 338 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: Well, they wanted you saw it, you were there, you 339 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: gave them suggestions and still how to do it. I 340 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: don't know why you're asking me about it. So the 341 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: authorities across the West were on the lookout for kid Curry, 342 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: and he was recognized in Montana two months later while 343 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: buying camp supplies, so soon a posse was on his trail. 344 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: The posse was heavily armed and they caught up with 345 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: Curry and the Sundance kid while they were setting up camp. 346 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Sundance was too far from his gear to make an escape, 347 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: but Kid Curry ran to his horse. He jumped on 348 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: and kicked into a gallop as he rode off, though 349 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: one of the posse fired his rifle, scared me and 350 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: shot a hole in Curry's wrist right. The bullet went 351 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: straight through the horse's neck too, so the horse collapsed 352 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: into a sand dune and Curry surrendered when the posse arrived. 353 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: So I just keep in mind this shot in the 354 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: wrist because it will be importantly. That's called foreshadowing. In September, 355 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: the men were taking to Deadwood, South Dakota, where they 356 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: were held in the jail to stand trial. This is 357 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: exactly when Kid Curry made his first first jail break. 358 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: One night, when the jailer was coming back from a 359 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: date with his wife, good that they were keeping the 360 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: marriage alive. 361 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: Do you think they went to the saloon too or 362 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: their restaurants. 363 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: They went to the saloon and then they went to 364 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: rob a bank real quick, and then they they checked 365 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: literally it. 366 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: They went to buy new swinging doors. 367 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: Honey, what do you like these doors? They're kind of swinging. 368 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 3: I feel like our doors don't swing, like, Oh, get 369 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 3: you some swing doors, Jesus Christy they are so After 370 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: the day, they chicked in on the prisoners and he 371 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 3: saw that they were still locked in the building, but 372 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 3: they had somehow gotten out of their cells. 373 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: When he ordered them back inside so he could lock 374 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: them in, they said that their cells were closed and 375 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: that they were locked out. So confused the jailer, God 376 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: bless them. The jailer opened the prison to check the 377 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: locks on the cell doors, and the prisoners jumped him, 378 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: which was not anticipated by anybody in history. 379 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: Obviously, were so dumbe. 380 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: What the fuck? He's like, hey, get back in there, Sorry, 381 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 1: we're locked down. I was like, okay, I'll come in 382 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: and lock you on our system. Yeah okay, yeah you 383 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: get I'll come and figure it out for you. List once, 384 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: but next time it happens again, you do it by yourself. 385 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: So they beat his ass and they locked him and 386 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: his wife in the cell. Thankfully they didn't know. They 387 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: went on the date they got to go on, the 388 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: date they got into day, and like afterwards, they're like, 389 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: are you it's exhilarina? Is I you known escape? Yeah? 390 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: He was like, I don't totally fine at all. I'm 391 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: sorry I didn't get you the swinging door. So you 392 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: said you wanted some excitement in your life. So more 393 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: than sixty men joined the search for the escapees over 394 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: the next few days, but false sightings had the authorities 395 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: running in circles. Es Kid Curry and the Sun Dance 396 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: Kid stole horses and made their escape. So we're gonna 397 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: get some really cool music because we're going to introduce 398 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: chapter three. 399 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: Oh okay, there you go there, very cool. 400 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, very cool. So the fact that Kid Curry's 401 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: first bank heist didn't go very well didn't keep him 402 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: from planning more robberies, right, So him and the Sundance 403 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: Kid were treated to Utah, where they were welcomed by 404 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: a new part in crime, their bandit hero Butch Cassidy. 405 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: Right right there we go. 406 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: We get famous people here, betchay, what's going on? He's like, guys, 407 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: I just met a guy called Salvatory Peninsula. So when 408 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: Curry's gang arrived at Butch Cassidy's hideout. It was the 409 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: first official meeting of the group that would become the 410 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: Wild Bunch, and for the next four years, Kid Curry, 411 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: Butch and the Sundance Kid would carry out a string 412 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: of the biggest, most balls out heists in American history. 413 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: It started in July and eighteen ninety eight with a 414 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: train robbery in Nevada. Two robbers on the train forced 415 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: the engineer and the brakeman to stop at a mile 416 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: marker where Kit Curry was waiting with the horses. There, 417 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: they used explosives to blow open the safe, demolishing an 418 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: entire train car in the process, which seems successive. I'm 419 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: just going to say that, So. 420 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: There's a safe on the train. 421 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: There's a safe on the train, and that's the money. 422 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: That the people paid to get on the train. 423 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's like they're transporting money. 424 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: They're transporting money. It's going from one place to another. Yeah, 425 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: this is a specific train. They didn't specific train. They 426 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: weren't like trains have a lot of money. Let's go 427 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: rob a train. I'm tied. 428 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: These banks, man, these trains they're just like the banks, 429 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: so predictably lucrative let me make it, let me work 430 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: for it, let me work for this. 431 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 2: Let's take a chance, maybe this train. 432 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: So newspaper said that they made off with anything from 433 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: nine thou to twenty six thousand dollars, which in today's 434 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: world would be almost a million dollars. So that's not bad. 435 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: And there's thilly of them, right. 436 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: Yes, well, listen, listen. If this show was named the 437 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: Greatest Heists, we might go into detail about them, but 438 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna quickly name you what they were. Okay, Okay, 439 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: So we have the Wilcox train robbery. Sh there you go, 440 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: the Fullsome train robbery, the Tipton train robbery, the Exeter 441 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: Creek train robbery, and all the other train robberies. Okay, 442 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: so listen. Over the next couple of years, Kid Curry 443 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: and the gang used to same method to pull off 444 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: a string of infamous train robberies, and after each one 445 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: he would just kind of lie low and chill for 446 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: a few months and just enjoy himself. I mean, in 447 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: today's money, they were each getting like four hundred thousand 448 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: dollars a pop. I don't know if you had that 449 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: much money drop into your lap all at once, how 450 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: would you spend it. 451 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: I would have paid fish to come play in my 452 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: backyard and not do that whole thing all over again, 453 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: y two K and everything. So listen. 454 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: So between jobs, the gang would split, it would split up, right, 455 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: Kid Curry would travel from town to town playing cool, 456 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: drinking apricot brandy and telling people that he met that 457 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: he was a railroad man. What can we assume with 458 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: a dude who drinks apricot brandy, Like, I don't know. 459 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: Day, Yeah, it's very And that was pretty sophisticated. 460 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: Yes, he'sds twirling his mustache and you know, in my 461 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: he really had a sick ass mustache. 462 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: I mean didn't I guess everybody had a mustache back then. Yeah, 463 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: you know, they had different trademarks. 464 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: And that was one of his. 465 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: Why are they why are they both? Kid? By the way, 466 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: what's the deal? Like? How old are these guys? Do 467 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: you know? 468 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: Seventy two? 469 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: Geriatric? Kid? 470 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: Kid Curry actually partied the hardest. He was the kind 471 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: of a bad boy of the wild Bunch, and he 472 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: got a reputation both as the infamous killer of the 473 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: crew but also as the most frequent lover. Yes yeah, 474 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: women across the West claim that he was the father 475 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: of their children, and if all the stories were true, 476 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: he would have had like eighty five kids. Wow, oh 477 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: my god, that fucking thing plays in my head if 478 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: I play, Like if somehow I leave the computer on 479 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: and I hear that in the middle of the night, 480 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: I will die of a heart attack. You know how 481 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: they say that there's no more beautiful sound than that 482 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: of a baby's laughter unless you live by yourself, and 483 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: there is no baby, you know. 484 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 2: And by the way, I have two children, and I 485 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 2: can't stand babies, and I hate and that sound is 486 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: trauma regering for me too. 487 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: Oh man, So this guy's this guy's going around. 488 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 2: He's banging left and rights, he's having sex. 489 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: He's a railroad man. He's drinking. 490 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: She's got the Is he the one with the appercop Brandy? 491 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he loves the apracom venny. 492 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: So okay. 493 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: Every now and then the Wild Bunge would get back 494 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: together and for some harmless fun, right Like in December 495 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: of nineteen hundred, Kid Curry, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance 496 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: Kid all got together with a few of the other 497 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: friends for a wedding where they took the now very 498 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: famous picture. So It shows them in perfectly tailored suits 499 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: with show we watch chains ties and waistcoasts, and apparently 500 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: they'd all gotten new bowler hats and they tossed them 501 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: on their head at jaunty angles because they're like, oh, 502 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: are you doing? Are you doing, johnd Angle? I'm doing, John. 503 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 2: These guys are adorable. They're so cute. 504 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: So the string of successful robberies by the Wild Bunch 505 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: was of course drawing a lot of attention, and that 506 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: included the attention of the railroad's favorite protection service, the 507 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: Pinkerton Detective Agency, which I don't know why they spoke 508 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: like that, but that's historically accurate. When the photographer gave 509 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: his negatives to the Pinkertons, that famous photograph became the 510 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: wanted poster for the Wild Bunch. It was printed all 511 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: across America. 512 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: You know. 513 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: I heard some people started to send their loved ones 514 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: the picks that they want used if they ever go missing. 515 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: You know. But I'm wondering, like, is there one that 516 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: you would not want to be stuck with ever? 517 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, if you google image me pre two thousand, 518 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: let's say nine, any of those pictures that was just a. 519 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: Huge yes, you can smell the X bodiespoke exactly. 520 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: It was ever mean. Everybody was a disaster back then, 521 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: but I I was not the exception. 522 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: So once everyone started to recognize their faces, members of 523 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: the Wild Bunch started to get picked off. Some were killed, 524 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 1: others were caught and locked up for their crimes, and 525 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: eventually Butch and the Sundance Kid decided to take their 526 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: money and leave the country. They thought if they could 527 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: make it to South America, they could become like legitimate 528 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: farmers there. So in March of nineteen oh one, they 529 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: boarded a ship for Argentina carrying twelve thousand dollars. 530 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: In gold, which I imagine is heavy. 531 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. They probably had a bunch of chests. 532 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: And I love that people in the steamer are being like, 533 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, they seemed perfectly normal to have twelve 534 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: chests of heavy shot. 535 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 2: They don't seem to change into a lot of different clothes, 536 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: but they packed a lot. 537 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what kept striking that pose of that 538 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: of those wild Wold Bunch guys. 539 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: They were taking picture. 540 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: They came once with the Apple brand. Another picture again, Yeah, 541 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,719 Speaker 1: carry on the other side. Yeah, he believed this one 542 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: at sunset. Yeah, this whe in moonlight. 543 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: The guys are adorable. 544 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: So Kid Curry, on the other hand, believed that there 545 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: were still places in the United States where he could 546 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: hide out, living under a false identity, and he might 547 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: even try to pull off another heister through things had 548 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: gone according to Plant so far, so he thought he 549 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: was untouchable. But he was wrong. So with Butch and 550 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: the Sundance Kid off the scene, Kid Curry became the 551 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: biggest name of the Wild Bunch still at large in 552 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: the USA. In September nineteen oh one, Kid Curry was 553 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: traveling across the South and he was staying in luxury 554 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: hotels and entertaining himself at Brothels and pool halls. 555 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: By the way, you asked me what I would do 556 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: if someone just dumped a bunch of money into my lap. 557 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 2: I think Kid Curry and I would be would be 558 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: pretty similar hotel. 559 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: Also, also, I'm noticing that nineteen oh one now has 560 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: pool hall, So we moved on from Saloons and that 561 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: was there's Brothels pool How is the diversifying. 562 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just sort of an old Vegas. It just 563 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: sounds like everything. 564 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: It's just everything goes. But Kid Curry ran into some trouble. 565 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: Don't don't dunt. 566 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: He was traveling with a girlfriend when she was arrested 567 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: at a Nashville bank trying to exchange some of the 568 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: money that they had stolen from a train. The Pinkertons 569 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: and the police they had kept a strict account of 570 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: the numbered bills that they were missing, right, so now 571 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: they knew someone connected with the train robberies was attempting 572 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: to spend money in Nashville, so they closed in. So 573 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: when his girlfriend didn't come back from the bank, Kid 574 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: Curry got spooked. He was sure that the detectives had 575 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: nabbed her, so he hiked into the Tennessee Mountains to 576 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: hide out. But you know, Kit Curry isn't really cut 577 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: out for the quiet life, and after a few weeks 578 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: he started to get wrestless. So you're Kid Curry, you're 579 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: chilling in the Tennessee Mountains. You're bored out of your mind. 580 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: How do you cook up a little excitement? What do 581 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: you do? How do you fill your time? 582 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: Maybe write a musical? Is that? Yes? 583 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: Yes? And that's what he did? Okay, f. 584 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: Music The One Man's show yey. 585 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome everybody to that huh came. 586 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 2: Out whoaa, And this is how Oklahoma started exact hu 587 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: Jegman started that in nineteen oh one. 588 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: So he waited until he thought that the investigation had 589 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: blown over, and he decided to go for another round 590 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: of good times in Knoxville. On Friday, December the thirteenth, 591 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: Curry was at the Knoxville Central Bar when he had 592 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: some mad luck For Kit Curry, he made the trouble himself. 593 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: So he was playing cards with other regulars when something 594 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: set him off and he attacked two of the other players, 595 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: choking and hitting them, and they just started Yeah, there 596 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: you go, there's a bar bystanders. They started brawling and 597 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: the noise of the fight brought in two police officers 598 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: who were walking by on the street. When they got closed, 599 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: they tried to ask him questions. Kit Curry pulled out 600 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: a gun from his jacket and started shooting. Yep, that's yeah. 601 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: The two officers were close enough to club him with 602 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: their sticks. 603 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: And what terrible aim he has if they're close enough 604 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: to club him. 605 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, why are he's getting well across Brandy? I think 606 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: is to blame him much afric Yeah, so one even 607 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: splintered his club over Curry's head, but both men ended 608 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: the fight with bullet wounds from Curry. So Kid Curry 609 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: ran out into the dark knight trailing blood. The local 610 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: shaff brought in dogs and tracked him through the night, 611 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: and police calmed the area. Kid Curry was finally caught 612 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: thirty miles north walking the railroad tracks, and once he 613 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: was in custody, they worked to identify him. Remember how 614 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: they would have identify him the rest The gunshot wound 615 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: in his rest gave him rind of a buzz everybody wow, yeah, gloves, 616 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: So they realized that he was He had been captured 617 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: in Montana, and they were super ecstatic. Right, the prisoner 618 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: was Kid Curry. The wildness of the wild Bunch. When 619 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: he was finally brought to Knox County jail, ward had 620 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: already spread. He was met by a crowd of hundreds 621 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: just there to watch him get thrown into jail. Wow. 622 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: It took almost like a year and a half for 623 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: Kit Curry's case to go through the courts. The local 624 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: sheriff had to fend off visitors and intercept packages of 625 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: escape tools like hacksaws, etc. Now, clearly Curry had friends 626 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: on the outside who were trying to get him out. However, 627 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: nobody actually liked him in the courtroom because in November, 628 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: kid Curry was sentenced to one hundred and thirty years 629 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: of hard labor in the federal penitentiary. So kit Curry 630 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: decided to take his freedom into his own hands. A 631 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: few days later, as the jailer was making his rounds 632 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: to check in on the prisoner, kit Curry called him 633 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: to look out the window, but when he did, the 634 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: jailer found a loop of wire whipped over his head, 635 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: dropped down over his neck, and kid Curry pulled it tight. 636 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: With the wire cutting into his throat, the guard was 637 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: forced to put his hands through the bars, where kit 638 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: Curry tied him in place. Now, once the guard was bound, 639 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: kid Curry pulled a long makeshift grappling hook from its 640 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: hiding place in the prison bathroom and from the jail hallway. 641 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: He was able to reach through the bars and hook 642 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: the sh shoe box that held the guard's weapons. Like 643 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: this is like some cartoon shit, right. 644 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: I'm so silly because I'm expecting this sort of andy 645 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: de frame kind of like like smart shawshank, you know, 646 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: escape and no, this is my man, kid, He's gonna 647 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: be it's gonna be blunt force. 648 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: He's not gonna be bothered by the mathematics. 649 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: No math, yeah, no, no crawling. 650 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna reach for that shoe. Oh so, police station, 651 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: you have your shit in like a shoe box like thing, 652 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: and like it's in visibility for other prisoners. Probably not 653 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: the best idea. So he pulled it over and now 654 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: he had a cold forty five and then he waited. 655 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: A second guard had the prison keys. So at four 656 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: point eighty that afternoon, the man arrived and kid Curry 657 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: was held on the second floor and as soon as 658 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: the jailer reached the top of the steps, he was 659 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: looking down the barrel of a pistol. The choice was clear, 660 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: opened the prison door immediately or die. Oh yeah. Curry 661 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: gathered his things, holding the man at gunpoint, and when 662 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: he was he put the gun in the guard's back 663 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: and walked him downstairs and out to the stable. Kid 664 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: Curry forced the guard to prepare him a horse, and 665 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: he chose the one belonging to the local sheriff, James Fox. 666 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: Why that's insult to injury, isn't it? 667 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: Like? Why take the share him a horse? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 668 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: I said a course, and I was like, of course, 669 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: this is this dude's. 670 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: I needed to take a quick course on how to. 671 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: Probably a course like a part of a meal, you know, like, oh, 672 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 2: the guy had to prepare him. 673 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: He wanted to. 674 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 2: Make me a bo bay. 675 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: Yes, he wanted a course on musical theater writing skills. 676 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: So once a horse was ready, Kid Curry jumped into 677 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: the saddle and trotted out of town. He was seen 678 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: by people all along the road. Some of them didn't 679 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: recognize him, but since he was riding slowly, he didn't 680 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: raise suspicions. There's some accounts that a few Knoxville residents 681 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: didn't know who he was and called their friends to 682 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: come and see. As the infamous Kit Curry rode out 683 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: of town. As usual, pose gathered, but they weren't able 684 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: to track him down. For more than fifteen miles. Before 685 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: that lost his trail, Kid Curry vanished into legend. You're 686 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: ready for the last bit of this, riding off into 687 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: the sunset? Yes, yes, sunset, thank you. So what happened 688 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: next for Kid Curry is a mystery right all through 689 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: nineteen oh four. Stories and legends from across the West 690 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: placed him in Unsolved train robberies and shootouts where the 691 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: gunman wasn't identified and among the thieves when horses went missing. 692 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: Other papers reported that he was in Wyoming or Montana. 693 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: A letter actually arrived at the Knoxville jail and said, 694 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: tell the boys not to follow my footsteps and keep 695 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: out of trouble. It had a California mailing address and 696 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: sent the pinkertons on a cross country wild goose chase. 697 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 698 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: After one Colorado train robbery in nineteen oh four, sheriff 699 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: deputies arrived quickly on the scene. More than one hundred 700 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: men with horses and bloodhounds hunted down the bandits, and 701 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: rainfall made their tracks easy to follow in the mud 702 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: with the posse close after them. The bandit stopped at 703 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: arranged to steel fresh horses, but the owners somehow didn't 704 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: like that weird, so the men exchanged gunfire with the 705 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: bandits and one of the robbers was hit in the chest. 706 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: Now before his buddies could stop him, he raised his 707 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: gun to a semple and he shouted, don't wait for me, 708 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: and he fired now. When the body was brought to 709 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: Glenwood Springs, Colorado, it was actually identified by locals as 710 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: a man named J. H. Ross and buried in a 711 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: poor man's grave. Except there were two things that raised 712 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: some questions about the real identity of the body. Number 713 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: one the fact that the real J. H. Ross arrived 714 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: in town a few days later to prove that he 715 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: wasn't dead. He was like, what the fuck you, guys, 716 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: and why's my wife with somebody in two days? 717 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 2: Guys. 718 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: And the second is that the body had the scar 719 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: of a bullet wound on his right wrist. Motherfuckers, my goodness. 720 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: But people just didn't want to believe that kid Curry 721 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: was dead, you know. They wanted to believe that he 722 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: made it through the firefight and that he lived on 723 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: in secret. A lot of denial, you know. So one 724 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: story says that Kit Curry actually died in an asylum 725 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty seven. Another one says, no, no, actually 726 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: he settled down in Spokane, Washington and lived until the 727 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: late nineteen fifties. Another one says, no, he moved to Guatemala, 728 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: became an actor, it got dimples, and it's still living. 729 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: It like, wait, what the fuck? But then there is 730 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 1: one last I was referring to myself, okay, but there's 731 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: one last toice to these myths. Okay, some of Kit 732 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: Curry's descendants have wanted to dig up the body in 733 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: Colorado to do some genetic testing to verify where he's buried, 734 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 1: but when they arrived, the body could not be found. 735 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 2: Ah, I knew it. 736 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: The records of the burial plot were lost. And that's 737 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,439 Speaker 1: a story of Kit Curry. Everybody, ye ya, wow. 738 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 2: Well, okay, I'm still stuck on how old is this? 739 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 2: How old is kid? Because he's he's doing all these 740 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: robberies and everything, and at the turn of the century, 741 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: and then some accounts have him living until mid century nineteen. 742 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: So let's say he was doing the robberies robberies in 743 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: his uh late teens or eighteens, it would have to 744 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: be well, but you're right, though, because if he was 745 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: arranging for ten years, he must have been older than that. 746 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,959 Speaker 1: So let's say, like from twenty five to thirty five, 747 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: and then if he died in the fifties, he must 748 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: have been. 749 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 2: What if he's a bunch of people, you know, like 750 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 2: what if he's not just one guy eight algamation like 751 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 2: doctor Strange, like Doctor Strange or Shakespeare. But isn't that fascinating? 752 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: That is that's pretty that's pretty crazy. And his buddies 753 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,439 Speaker 2: who I know who I've heard of way more are 754 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 2: just off in South America ranching and they just have 755 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 2: accents now and they took like this and they like it, 756 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 2: like they immediately adopted the accents immediately. 757 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: What do you think? 758 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 2: What are what are ridiculous Latin names that you think 759 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 2: they chose as their alias? 760 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: Dansa they didn't really like high round. 761 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: They didn't do they didn't change. 762 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 1: You know, like they really they. 763 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 2: Added maybe one more syllable that was about it. 764 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: Then how can people find you? 765 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 2: Do you want my address? Yes? 766 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: How can How can people. 767 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 2: Coming from the one oh one? 768 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: Is there anything you'd like people to check out or 769 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: or be aware of? 770 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 2: No? I mean there's the things that I've done. There's 771 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 2: things I've got coming up that I that aren't talk 772 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 2: about able yet. I mean, I've got a I've got 773 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 2: an animated show called Monsters at Work on Disney. It's 774 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: super that's the Monster's univer Monsters And that's awesome. 775 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: I wrote, Yeah, I love the monsters. 776 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: It so fights me and and it's all that you know, 777 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 2: It's like Billy Crystal and Jen Goodman and all the 778 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 2: it's like Mindy Kayling and I Winkler. 779 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: It's such a cool of course, sweetest guy in the world, 780 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: and he is the best listen. I always believe that, 781 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: like old timey Western country songs are just kind of 782 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: describing what you're doing at that present moment. You know, 783 00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: this is like a comedian said this joke before. But 784 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: what what I've noticed is that they're just running out 785 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: of shit to say about their days. So now it's 786 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: getting even more mundane. So as an outdro we would 787 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: like to have Ben play some music and us to 788 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: make up some really stupid lyrics to that. 789 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 2: Would you be up for that? Yeah, it's just stuff 790 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 2: we're doing right now. 791 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: Stuff we're doing right now. What we think about the episode, 792 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: fuck it whatever, that's, whatever goes. If it doesn't work, 793 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: we'll totally cut it out. 794 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 2: Sure, No, we won't. 795 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: Okay, Ben, give us some good So this is like 796 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: old timey country, but it's like Neil Young kind of. 797 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,439 Speaker 2: Okay soft, there's heart to it. 798 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Argentina in the distance, can you see it? 799 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 2: Butch oh? Are we the characters from the story? 800 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: Yes? Butch can you see what I see? I see 801 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: the hole in your wrist. It's getting deeper and deeper. 802 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: But a day should put a bend aid on in 803 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: rapper called whiskey, the Apricott whiskey. I've had all the fruits. 804 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,720 Speaker 1: I've tried with cranberry and it didn't work. That Brandy 805 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: t is nice Apricot Brandy for live. 806 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 2: Man. 807 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 1: God, this has been such a pleasure, Ben, Thank you 808 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: so much, brother, And we'll give you the rights of 809 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: the music once we played. 810 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 2: Oh, that song is gonna be huge. That's gonna be 811 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to come up 812 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 2: with like a music like I'm Kid Feldman. 813 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: Now you're kidman who likes Kurt. 814 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 2: Massamon Feldman. 815 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: Brady's Escapes is a production of iHeartRadio and Film Nation 816 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: Entertainment in association with Gilded Audio or Executive producers for 817 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: me or Turo Castro, Alyssa Martino and Milan Papelka from 818 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 1: Film Nation Entertainment, Andrew Chug and Witning Donaldson from Gilded Audio, 819 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: and Dylan Fagan from iHeartRadio. 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