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Speaker 4: Let's start first with defensive coordinator in Dallas, Dan Quinn.
Speaker 4: He's off he has been hired by the Washington commanders.
Speaker 2: First, just kind of.
Speaker 4: Give me your general thoughts when you heard that he
Speaker 4: was taking the job, that they offered the job, he
Speaker 4: was taking the job, and he was moving on over.
Speaker 2: Your first thoughts.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think that in looking at it as
Speaker 7: soon as it happened, and I wrote it on a
Speaker 7: piece for the dot com, is that there was going
Speaker 7: to be potentially massive fallout from that because you have
Speaker 7: a lot of relationships on that side of the ball
Speaker 7: between dan Quinn and his assistant coaching staff, Joe Witt
Speaker 7: being one of them, Al Harris being another one of
Speaker 7: those guys. So you then had to wonder, with the
Speaker 7: departure of dan Quinn, who else might depart. And you know,
Speaker 7: the Cowboys had interest in interviewing Joe Witt.
Speaker 5: For the defensive court in the position.
Speaker 7: Some of the players like Trevon Diggs had interest in
Speaker 7: the team interviewing Al Harris for the position. I'm told
Speaker 7: they hadn't though defensive line coach Aden Dirdey, who's also
Speaker 7: been getting interest from around the league, most recently the
Speaker 7: Seattle Seahawks for their DC position. So you just had
Speaker 7: to wonder, what was that overhaul going to look like
Speaker 7: in the post dan quinn eraror And now that we
Speaker 7: know Joe Whitt is going to go join him, so
Speaker 7: take him out of the running for this, And now
Speaker 7: it seems more more possible than ever, that this is
Speaker 7: going to be an outside higher, so it likely being
Speaker 7: an outside of higher. Now that defensive coaching staff beneath
Speaker 7: the DC probably looking at a massive, massive shakeup, and
Speaker 7: it provides some sense of concern with me in the
Speaker 7: aspect of you're Mike McCarthy. You're going into what can
Speaker 7: be just described as a proved season and now you're
Speaker 7: going to have this massive overhaul on defensive side of
Speaker 7: the ball. You're not going to have a lot of
Speaker 7: time for your new coordinator to come in, put their
Speaker 7: installs in, get their players in from free agency in
Speaker 7: the draft that they convinced the Cowboys to sign, and
Speaker 7: re sign some of these guys that are in the building,
Speaker 7: get your installs done, and then get these guys operating
Speaker 7: at fever pitch as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2: Can I challenge you real quick? I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I feel like there will be a even if there's.
Speaker 4: A massive overhaul of the staff on the defensive side
Speaker 4: of ball, I don't think they're going to come in
Speaker 4: here with the expectation that they're going to change out
Speaker 4: the players. I think there may be one too, maybe
Speaker 4: three positions that that will be different. I think by
Speaker 4: and large, this defense is his defense because they got
Speaker 4: a ton of talent. I don't think this is going
Speaker 4: to be a project where they get to come in
Speaker 4: here and say, Okay, I want this guy, want this guy,
Speaker 4: want this guy, go get.
Speaker 8: Them for me.
Speaker 7: I see what you're saying. And here's where I would
Speaker 7: counter that. Contractually, some of these guys are coming up
Speaker 7: for free agency, for example, and you have rotational guys
Speaker 7: like Nevill Galimore. He's up for a free agency. He
Speaker 7: was an impact rotational guy. But if a new defensive
Speaker 7: courtier comes in, does he view Neville Galamore as Dan
Speaker 7: Quinn view Neville Galamore?
Speaker 5: So just one example there.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, when we talk about rotational, is that what
Speaker 4: you're saying, you're talking more rotational guys, not starters necessarily.
Speaker 7: Not necessarily, but and I agree with that, right, But
Speaker 7: then you also have to look at the George Lewis.
Speaker 7: People like Georgan Lewis, for example, Jordan Lewis is an
Speaker 7: impact starter, rotational When Deron Bland and the treva Ir
Speaker 7: Diggs and Gilmore were to be on the field, but
Speaker 7: with one of those guys deleted, he Jordan Lewis became
Speaker 7: a starter again.
Speaker 4: Well they got they got roster spots at this point
Speaker 4: because he got two cornerbacks that you just mentioned there
Speaker 4: that are free agents, So yeah, you got another one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you would love to believe Gilmore is gonna come back,
Speaker 7: but again we don't know. Number one, we don't know
Speaker 7: who the DC is going to be, so we don't
Speaker 7: know their view on a guy like Gilmore. So in
Speaker 7: that capacity, you have to wonder how quickly and what
Speaker 7: guys or is that defensive coordinator going to want to
Speaker 7: retain versus say, you know what, I love what Gilmore
Speaker 7: did for you last year, but I have a better idea.
Speaker 7: Get this guy in free agency and or get this
Speaker 7: particular player on the draft, and then those new guys
Speaker 7: have to come in jail quickly over the course of
Speaker 7: the OTA's mini camp, training camp, preseason, and you kind
Speaker 7: of have to hit the ground running as a defensive
Speaker 7: coordinator under a head coach who at that moment is
Speaker 7: not under contract beyond next year. So it's all got
Speaker 7: to happen quickly. Mike Zimmer being one of the front
Speaker 7: runner candidates. Now we got news that Rex Ryan has
Speaker 7: been interviewed for the position. Ron Rivera was interviewed on
Speaker 7: Monday for the position. As far as outside candidates, eight
Speaker 7: and Dirty spoke about him. He was interviewed on Monday
Speaker 7: as the only internal candidate. So that's what they're up against.
Speaker 7: And I have my leanings and we'll talk about that
Speaker 7: in the moment.
Speaker 2: Second, And what were your thoughts when you heard that
Speaker 2: Quaens leaving?
Speaker 9: I mean, not very happy. I think a lot of
Speaker 9: the people that fans that were online and given the
Speaker 9: way that the game ended against Green Bay and the
Speaker 9: way that he was coaching the defense, I get a
Speaker 9: lot of people the frustration and how mad they wear
Speaker 9: and all of that, but you can't forget what he
Speaker 9: did for the defense, like he did so much for
Speaker 9: this Cowboys defense. Excuse me, I started what about ten
Speaker 9: years ago, and I've never seen this type of diffense,
Speaker 9: Like I've never seen the Cowboys defense be what it
Speaker 9: was during dan Quinn's small era and time here with
Speaker 9: the Cowboys. So he's done so much overall, and I
Speaker 9: think he's such a player's guy, like the way that
Speaker 9: he which I think is very very valuable when you
Speaker 9: have someone that can relate and be so good with everybody,
Speaker 9: like everyone wants to be on his side, type of coach,
Speaker 9: and initially we just all assumed he was gonna be gone.
Speaker 9: Then it was kind of slowing down and you're like, okay,
Speaker 9: well maybe that means he's gonna stay all right, and
Speaker 9: then all of a sudden, kidding, going to Washington, out
Speaker 9: of all places, Washington. Good luck to him though, but
Speaker 9: it except yeah, no, but and I know we're gonna
Speaker 9: get into the coaching, the coaches options and all of that,
Speaker 9: but it's just it's a tough change because to me,
Speaker 9: right now, I know we want something to happen immediately.
Speaker 9: We want to see immediate success, immediate quote unquote because
Speaker 9: it's been what thirty years whatever, But right now when
Speaker 9: you make those changes, what concerns me is, Okay, how
Speaker 9: quickly if you're bringing someone from the outside. And I
Speaker 9: know it happened with Dan Quinn. He was pretty impactful.
Speaker 9: I made a quick impact here with the Cowboys, But
Speaker 9: it is that concern. It was like, Okay, how long
Speaker 9: does it take for a new person to kind of
Speaker 9: develop what needs to be developed? For example, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 9: him taking over the play call, and we saw some changes,
Speaker 9: but that took what six games or so for things
Speaker 9: to start claking and so again not a full season
Speaker 9: of him being the full play color. So it's just
Speaker 9: that concern of like, Okay, how long is this new
Speaker 9: change gonna take play? Or you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Well, let me challenge you a little bit on that too.
Speaker 4: When you say since the moment he got here, he's
Speaker 4: had a lot of success, It's been more success than
Speaker 4: you saw from any defense that was here in the
Speaker 4: ten years you've been here. That also coincides with a
Speaker 4: player that showed up that's a generational player in Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: How much do you think that that because, by the way,
Speaker 4: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I actually I tweeted. I tweeted, but I tweeted about.
Speaker 4: Mike Nolan and I was like, let's not forget what
Speaker 4: his defense was in one year.
Speaker 2: It went from what Mike Nolan did in twenty twenty to.
Speaker 4: What he was what Dan was able to do in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one and beyond, like there was he made
Speaker 4: a difference, but he got a transcendent player. And then
Speaker 4: I started to question, Okay, so if it was a
Speaker 4: combination of both, then that's where when I look at
Speaker 4: these candidates, immediately I say I want the guys that
Speaker 4: have done it. So I start looking at guys like Zimmer,
Speaker 4: I start looking at guys like Rivera, I start looking
Speaker 4: at guys like Rex Ryan.
Speaker 2: I start looking at.
Speaker 4: Guys who have been successful defensive coordinators in the NFL,
Speaker 4: And I tell them the first thing I asked them
Speaker 4: when I walked them into the room.
Speaker 2: Is what's your plan for Michael Parsons.
Speaker 9: That's the that's the interview aside from Micah Parsons, which
Speaker 9: I completely agree. It happens simultaneously and you cannot take
Speaker 9: that away. But something that dan Quinn was able to
Speaker 9: do that I didn't feel like I saw with previous
Speaker 9: coaches defensive coordinators was his ability to turn players that
Speaker 9: are veteran that are not necessarily good bringing through a
Speaker 9: free agency. He was able to take guys like that
Speaker 9: and make them have or be impactful on the field.
Speaker 9: And that's something I don't feel like we've seen in
Speaker 9: the past that with him. He and I get it
Speaker 9: like it kind of that started falling through because of injuries, though,
Speaker 9: I mean, you cannot blame him. It gets to the
Speaker 9: point where, Okay, you can only do so much with
Speaker 9: the backup, backup, Like there's only so much he can do.
Speaker 9: But I think that's another element aside from Michael Parsons,
Speaker 9: that he was able to bring those players that are
Speaker 9: not bringing your bank and your cap money and all
Speaker 9: of that and turn them into players that can be
Speaker 9: helpful and impactful.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think both of you are correct and
Speaker 7: correct that Mike Nolan didn't have Michael Parsons, nor did
Speaker 7: he have Treyvon Diggs. That being said, you have to
Speaker 7: believe that dan Quinn was a part of the conversation
Speaker 7: that helped lead Michael Parsons to Dallas.
Speaker 2: That help he made the movie got him exactly my point.
Speaker 7: So, and then you add to that the development of
Speaker 7: late Brown picks like Deron Bland into you know, building
Speaker 7: of staff that includes a guy like Al Harris and
Speaker 7: Joe Whitt and bringing that coaching staff in to match
Speaker 7: with personnel player personnel that then leads them to become
Speaker 7: historic talents like darn Bland was able to do. And
Speaker 7: then prior to dan Quinn, one thing that fans were
Speaker 7: really up and arms about was the fact that you
Speaker 7: have some of these impact veterans out there, particularly at
Speaker 7: the safety position, that the Cowboys would not go out
Speaker 7: and get well, guess who came in and got Malie Hooker.
Speaker 7: That happened in the dan Quinn era when the focus
Speaker 7: and the emphasis on the value of safety really took
Speaker 7: a step forward under dan Quinn, unlike we've seen in
Speaker 7: recent court industry.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: So that's the type of culture change that you that
Speaker 7: you lose with dan Quinn, not to say you won't
Speaker 7: gain it in someone that's proven, like a Zimmer or Ryan,
Speaker 7: but until we see it, we haven't seen it, So
Speaker 7: therein lies the concern. So you both are correct, but
Speaker 7: it's it's one of those things where you don't know
Speaker 7: too you know, and we won't know and too we know.
Speaker 4: Well, what we've seen is those guys coordinate really good defenses. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we've seen that. And that's where again this is not
Speaker 4: a knock on Joe widd Jr. The fact of the
Speaker 4: matter is, though, because he has not had that role,
Speaker 4: I personally would have been a little hesitant to make
Speaker 4: him my defensive coordinator because.
Speaker 2: I'd have been like, I think, I think I'm almost there,
Speaker 2: like and.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't want to say that the wrong
Speaker 4: way because I know fans are kind of like, oh,
Speaker 4: here we go again. It's not that I think the
Speaker 4: Cowboys are ready for the Super Bowl. We've all kind
Speaker 4: of talked that ad nauseum. I do think they have
Speaker 4: enough talent to be competitive in the NFL, which means,
Speaker 4: as I said telling someone yesterday, if you can get
Speaker 4: to the playoffs in the NFL, you got a shot, right.
Speaker 4: And so I think from that standpoint, the Cowboys have
Speaker 4: to look at this and say, this is not a rebuild,
Speaker 4: this is a can we get the right piece that
Speaker 4: puts us over that long right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Can we can we get those right pieces?
Speaker 4: So I don't want to I don't want to take
Speaker 4: a step back by hiring a defensive coordinator that maybe
Speaker 4: doesn't have the experience and then have to go through
Speaker 4: the growing pains with them. I'd rather take somebody I
Speaker 4: can look at their experience, I can see exactly what
Speaker 4: they did as a defensive coordinator, and.
Speaker 2: I can bring them in to do that. There's also
Speaker 2: a flip side to that.
Speaker 4: Mike Nolan was a defensive coordinator who was very experienced,
Speaker 4: and it'd been very good, good enough to get a
Speaker 4: head coaching job. And that year in twenty twenty, maybe
Speaker 4: it was the year, it was a crazy year. We
Speaker 4: all know that, so maybe that was a part of it,
Speaker 4: but for whatever reason, it didn't translate to success here.
Speaker 2: So all those things have to be factored in.
Speaker 4: But I do like the idea of maybe looking at
Speaker 4: some of these guys who have been defensive coordinators and
Speaker 4: successful defensive coordinators in the NFL and figuring out which
Speaker 4: one has the best plan for Michael Parson. That to
Speaker 4: me is where this decision needs to.
Speaker 7: Be made, and that's going to be very interesting point
Speaker 7: of attack for whatever DC comes in, because, like you said,
Speaker 7: are you playing him at off ball more often than not?
Speaker 7: Or are you going to drop him down and make
Speaker 7: him a defensive end more often than not? Because your
Speaker 7: decision there is going to largely impact the ripple effects
Speaker 7: that come out of that as far as the rest
Speaker 7: of your defense is concerned. You are getting Trevon Diggs back,
Speaker 7: but you're getting him back from a twenty ACL that's
Speaker 7: going to require some time, which then kind of goes
Speaker 7: to my earlier point about do you keep Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 7: I would, doesn't necessarily mean the new DC would, because
Speaker 7: they're going to come in with their own ideas for
Speaker 7: both staff and personnel. For example, if you flip it
Speaker 7: to the Washington commander's side of the equation and how
Speaker 7: that would impact the Cowboys. We talk about relationships. Dan Quinn,
Speaker 7: he has a great relationship with Dante Fowler Atlanta, Dallas.
Speaker 7: Does Dante Fowler, who's now an understricted free agent and
Speaker 7: barring a deal happening before between now and much, does
Speaker 7: he follow dan Quinn?
Speaker 5: Does jay Ron Curse follow dan Quinn?
Speaker 2: Darrence Armstrong?
Speaker 5: Does Darrins Armstrong follow dan Quinn?
Speaker 7: Now, I will say it's not entirely unlikely, but a
Speaker 7: little less likely for Dorrance because Durrance has such a
Speaker 7: strong relationship.
Speaker 5: With the organization itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'll see it. At the same time, money
Speaker 4: is money, and not only that. What we know what
Speaker 4: players is they look for coaches who know how to
Speaker 4: use them the best. And Durrance's Armstrong took a Dorn's
Speaker 4: Armstrong's career took a jump when he was working in
Speaker 4: Dwayne dan Quinn's defense as a part time player, like
Speaker 4: not even as a starter. And so I think from
Speaker 4: that standpoint that has to be factory, and I assume
Speaker 4: that will be factored in when he's making a decision.
Speaker 7: I could see that, and I'll add a little bit
Speaker 7: to that because it just popped in my head as well.
Speaker 7: When you look at what Dorin Soarmstrong has gone through
Speaker 7: as far as the number of defensive coordinators that he's
Speaker 7: had in his time with the Cowboys, do you want
Speaker 7: to take on another or do you simply want to
Speaker 7: follow the guy that so to your point one hundred percent,
Speaker 7: so you just wonder how everything shakes up. But dan
Speaker 7: Quinn was a culture changing with the Cowboys. I get it.
Speaker 7: Recently biased makes fans pissed off at him and and
Speaker 7: justifiably so be pissed off at everybody who was involved
Speaker 7: in that loss against the Packers, including him. You did
Speaker 7: not have that, and you Jakson ahead of time. But
Speaker 7: that being said, there was a there was a reason.
Speaker 7: Just wait, wait you are thirty. Wow, Wait a minute,
Speaker 7: they're blaming they're blaming rowdy, but the math is the math.
Speaker 5: Wow. Okay, Wow, I'm joking.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, you know you're just.
Speaker 2: Asking for it, are you right? I'm not asking.
Speaker 7: I'll close with this, there is a reason that the
Speaker 7: Cowboys held off and allowed dan Quinn to make his
Speaker 7: decision because they really were hoping that he would return
Speaker 7: for all of the good things that you said, all
Speaker 7: of the good things that you said. So while things
Speaker 7: did not end well, fact is dan Quinn came in
Speaker 7: hit the ground running, and you hope that whomever follows
Speaker 7: him can also hit the ground running, especially because Mike
Speaker 7: McCarthy does not have a contract beyond twenty four.
Speaker 5: It all has to happen right now.
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Speaker 4: let's talk about the candidates. And these are just ireless
Speaker 4: to candidates. By the way, there may be some people
Speaker 4: that we talk about that are not on the Cowboys list.
Speaker 4: There maybe people that are on the Cowboys list that
Speaker 4: we don't talk about. These are just names that I
Speaker 4: kind of looked at that are out there right now,
Speaker 4: Guys that are available who have been defensive coordinators in
Speaker 4: the league in some in most instances, I did throw
Speaker 4: in Aiden Dirty just because I like aid and Dirty.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I think he should be a part
Speaker 4: of the conversation. But I want to throw these names
Speaker 4: out there. And by the way, if you guys have
Speaker 4: other names you want to throw into this mix, you can.
Speaker 4: But here's what I'm gonna throw. Here are the names
Speaker 4: I got, and I want you to tell me which
Speaker 4: one intrigues you most. You got Mike Zimmer, Ron Rivera Rex, Ryan, Aiden, Dirty, Wink,
Speaker 4: Martindale or whomever else you might want to throw out there.
Speaker 4: What name jumps out at you most.
Speaker 7: Who I do love me some Wink Martindale, But after
Speaker 7: what he did in New York, well, I don't think things.
Speaker 7: I think the result that you saw in New York
Speaker 7: was symptomatic of a deeper problem as far as Stable
Speaker 7: and Wink just did.
Speaker 5: Not get along.
Speaker 4: Do you think that that all possibly shows kind of
Speaker 4: like it? And I don't want to, I don't want
Speaker 4: to get you off track, but I just I wonder
Speaker 4: sometimes if if that's an indication of a guy who
Speaker 4: sometimes is not willing to just abdicate to the head coach,
Speaker 4: because ultimately the head coach is the CEO. It's in
Speaker 4: any group if you're not willing to I tell you
Speaker 4: all the time, my job for my boss is to
Speaker 4: make sure he looks good. So if he tells me
Speaker 4: this is a direction we need to go, guess what
Speaker 4: I'm going to go in that direction. I'm going to
Speaker 4: give it the best I got in that direction, because
Speaker 4: ultimately he has to be accountable to the final outcome. Right,
Speaker 4: it does it show you that maybe Wink Martin Dale
Speaker 4: is not that guy, and so you bring him in
Speaker 4: you might get what you get. It might be good,
Speaker 4: it might not fit the overall concept of what do
Speaker 4: you think is best for the team if you're the
Speaker 4: head coach.
Speaker 7: I get the feeling that Wank Martindale is unwilling to
Speaker 7: acquiesce to new head coaches because Wink has been around,
Speaker 7: He's been with hardwhile he's bitten, He's been to the
Speaker 7: top of the mountain. He understands, and he has such
Speaker 7: a long and improven resume that when you have a
Speaker 7: new head coach like Brian Dabo coming in who's fiery
Speaker 7: and he wants things done in his way, which is
Speaker 7: completely fine at your organization, But if you're Wink Martindale,
Speaker 7: you're basically looking at him in meeting rooms and saying
Speaker 7: that's not going to work. And I don't believe that
Speaker 7: what you're saying is gonna work, and I know that
Speaker 7: it's not gonna work. Flip it to the Cowboys situation.
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy's proven that's a different level of respect, is
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. I don't think that you'd see many
Speaker 7: of those types of rifts between Wank Martindale and Mike
Speaker 7: McCarthy because I believe McCarthy would command a certain respect
Speaker 7: from Martindale that Dabo or any other new head coach
Speaker 7: simply would not command from Martindale. But I will also
Speaker 7: say that with me. With Martindale jumping off of the page,
Speaker 7: Zimmer also jumps off of the page for me as well.
Speaker 7: When you talk about the pre existing relationship between Zimmer
Speaker 7: and this organization, and you talk about what he came
Speaker 7: up from with this organization, defensive assistant, defensive backs coach,
Speaker 7: defensive coordinator, and then he was a defensive coordinator for
Speaker 7: multiple head coaches. We were talking about it during the break.
Speaker 7: He went from a four to three or from a yeah,
Speaker 7: from a four three to running a three four and
Speaker 7: the Bill Parcells and still had the defense doing some
Speaker 7: great things. Look at some of the players he's coached.
Speaker 7: Darren Woodson, DeMarcus Ware shouts out to Dad Win uh,
Speaker 7: and who's my other guy? Who's with Come on, it's ah,
Speaker 7: it's my other guy's escaping me?
Speaker 2: Safety safety Hammer Hamlin.
Speaker 5: No, it's gonna come to me.
Speaker 7: So anyway, he's coached several not only notable names, but
Speaker 7: headline names.
Speaker 5: Mike Zimmer when he was Minnesota.
Speaker 7: No, no, it's not Woodson, it's another one. It's Roy
Speaker 7: Williams the safety. That's another one. There's a list that's
Speaker 7: a good one. But there's one in particular. It'll come
Speaker 7: to me when I'm not trying to think about it. See,
Speaker 7: this is what did he coach Hamlin? I don't remember
Speaker 7: he was here when Hamlin. No, Hambrick, Hamlin No. I'm
Speaker 7: telling you. I think it was Hambrick that he coached,
Speaker 7: not well Hambrick. Okay, yeah, So nonetheless he's coached notable
Speaker 7: headline and some Hall of Fame talent. In any variation
Speaker 7: of the defense, I think Mike Zimmer really really jumps
Speaker 7: off and far ahead of Rex Ryan, ahead of Ron Rivera,
Speaker 7: and kind of right up there against wing Martin dip
Speaker 7: what jumps off at you?
Speaker 5: Hammer?
Speaker 9: Well, this is very conflicting in my mind. I have
Speaker 9: so many thoughts, like just go back and forth because
Speaker 9: and this is a tough fight. On one hand, I
Speaker 9: am drawn to Aiden Dirty because because he's here, you know,
Speaker 9: he's been here, he's good at what he does. I
Speaker 9: think all the players really respect them. He he's been here,
Speaker 9: so he knows. So there's not a big transition gap.
Speaker 9: You know. He can make that transition pretty smoothly.
Speaker 7: I think ahead was a lot.
Speaker 2: We said trying to but you said safety has.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 5: Continue you that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Good years.
Speaker 9: Anyways, what I was saying is I like that that
Speaker 9: wouldn't be a big change. It's a smooth transition and
Speaker 9: he has the experience. But at the same time you're switching.
Speaker 9: That's a big jump from what you were doing to
Speaker 9: now becoming the defensive coordinator. So that kind of scares me.
Speaker 9: The newness of it. It scares me, but I like
Speaker 9: that he's been here. On the other hand, and another thing,
Speaker 9: I like that he's young. He's on the younger side,
Speaker 9: and part of me, I'm more into now the younger coaches,
Speaker 9: and just like there's big there's a big difference between
Speaker 9: like the coaches are stepping now into those roles versus
Speaker 9: Ron Rivera, Mike Simmer, the older coaches. And that's my
Speaker 9: problem when it comes to the outside coaches. Now they
Speaker 9: are older, but they do have the experience. So now
Speaker 9: it's like, Okay, they could come in and make the
Speaker 9: bigger impact because if you're trying to make it happen
Speaker 9: this year, this season coming up, then it's good to
Speaker 9: have that experience in there. And right now, as far
Speaker 9: as the candidates, I'm not a huge fan of Ron Rivera,
Speaker 9: never really have been. Don't ask me why. I'm just
Speaker 9: not especially the last few years. I haven't been impressed
Speaker 9: with what he's been able to accomplish. Yes, yes, so
Speaker 9: that doesn't attract me very much right now from what.
Speaker 4: Before he was doing that, he took Carolina pants, He's
Speaker 4: had success, and so yeah, he's been successful, But I'm looking.
Speaker 9: At recent years. I'm looking at the now and not
Speaker 9: what it was not that the past. So right now
Speaker 9: with Mike Zimmer, I think he he's in the top
Speaker 9: of the list right now for me as well, just
Speaker 9: because of the experience that he brings into the table
Speaker 9: and maybe that's something that can translate into quick impact
Speaker 9: this year. So it's just I don't know. I don't
Speaker 9: know what to feel because experience versus someone that's already
Speaker 9: here and successful.
Speaker 7: There are pros and cons both ways. But I what
Speaker 7: you just said, something stuck out of what you just said,
Speaker 7: which was you're going by what happened recently, right You
Speaker 7: know who hasn't done anything recently is Rex Ryan. This
Speaker 7: is one of the problems I have with Rex Ryan.
Speaker 7: He's been out of the league for the most part.
Speaker 7: Since twenty sixteen, at least, Zimmer has been in the league,
Speaker 7: albeit in the head coaching capacity. Zimmer was in the
Speaker 7: NFC Championship against the Eagles in twenty seventeen, right, so
Speaker 7: you know, half a decade ago, so not long ago,
Speaker 7: but he was. He's been in the league and he's
Speaker 7: only recently set out twenty twenty two after departing from
Speaker 7: the Minnesota Viking. So again that goes to my point
Speaker 7: with Zimmer is that not only do you have a
Speaker 7: proven guy who has a preexist the good relationship with
Speaker 7: the Cowboys organization, this is a guy who can come
Speaker 7: in and scheme whatever you put in front.
Speaker 5: Of him and make them successful.
Speaker 7: Yes, it's gonna be it's gonna be a culture shock
Speaker 7: because dan Quinn's style of coaching that ain't Mike Zimmer's
Speaker 7: style of coaching. But this style of coaching might be
Speaker 7: what you need right now and Mike Zimmer. So for me,
Speaker 7: Ron Rivera, I'll also give Ron Rivera some credit in
Speaker 7: that when you are because like you said, it's hard
Speaker 7: to be successful, as dan Quinn is about to find
Speaker 7: out when you're with the Washington commanders. But what dan
Speaker 7: Quinn won't find out is what it means to have
Speaker 7: to coach under Dan Snyder's ownership. So maybe dan Quinn
Speaker 7: has more luck there, maybe not. But I think Rivera
Speaker 7: take the commanders out of the equation for the most part,
Speaker 7: because that was just a I was gonna say, but
Speaker 7: that was just a horrible situation all around. Look at
Speaker 7: his success with the Panthers, look at his success as
Speaker 7: a defensive coordinator prior to the Panthers. There's good to
Speaker 7: be had there. So for me, it's Zimmer put Win
Speaker 7: Martindale right up there against him Rivera, and then way
Speaker 7: down here is where you got Rix Ryan. I'm intrigued
Speaker 7: by eight and Dirty, but again, proven season for Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 7: I don't know that he has time for the learning
Speaker 7: curve that might come with a brand a first time
Speaker 7: defensive coordinator, even though Dirty is much beloved in this organization.
Speaker 4: Here's what I throw out there, because I think you
Speaker 4: guys both hit on some really interesting points. If you're
Speaker 4: one of the people for our listeners out there, if
Speaker 4: you're one of those people that you believe this defense
Speaker 4: has a lot of potential, but they just don't have
Speaker 4: the right mindset. I've heard people talk about their toughness,
Speaker 4: the mental toughness, maybe the accountability. Then I think this
Speaker 4: is an easy list to call down. I think your
Speaker 4: guy immediately just jumps out as Mike Zimmer. And the
Speaker 4: reason why I say that is because, look, I'm not
Speaker 4: in any of the meetings the Cowboys have right now
Speaker 4: with their team, so I can't say this as a
Speaker 4: matter of fact. But my guess is, and at least
Speaker 4: from seeing and listening to what Mike says, what players
Speaker 4: say about Mike, it seems like he's more of a
Speaker 4: player's coach style coach.
Speaker 2: He's not the fire and brimstone type coach.
Speaker 4: He's not going to go into a meeting and basically
Speaker 4: dogcusts the team when they're not doing what they're supposed
Speaker 4: to be doing.
Speaker 2: That's not the impression I get of him. Maybe it's true,
Speaker 2: maybe it's not.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's not the impression I get. Mike Zimmer, on the
Speaker 4: other hand, is k Iron brimstone coach. I don't think
Speaker 4: you characterize him as a players coach. You would characterize
Speaker 4: him as just.
Speaker 2: A tough coach.
Speaker 4: That's all about accountability, right, and So when you look
Speaker 4: at it from that standpoint, if you think this team
Speaker 4: could use some of that, and then you could have
Speaker 4: the balance of a head coach that's looking out for
Speaker 4: the players and it's concerned about the players and by
Speaker 4: the way, all these things that you should be looking
Speaker 4: at their mental health and all those kinds of things
Speaker 4: that are important. But then you also have that other
Speaker 4: coach over here is like, yeah, any of my job.
Speaker 4: My job is making your job right and having that balance,
Speaker 4: Maybe Mike Zimmer is what exactly what this team needs.
Speaker 4: When you start talking about going all in and finding
Speaker 4: that piece that gets you over the hump, maybe Mike
Speaker 4: Zimmer can be that.
Speaker 2: For this team.
Speaker 4: Here's also the other thing I think about with guys
Speaker 4: like Rex Ryan and Wi Martindale, I just like how
Speaker 4: aggressive they are in calling defenses. They are the kind
Speaker 4: of defensive coordinators. They're sending blitzes and they're sending them
Speaker 4: from everywhere. It's stuff coming from everywhere. And when you
Speaker 4: have players like Michael Parsons and players like DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 4: and like I'll say this even about Mike Zimmer, he
Speaker 4: loves those ab gap blitzes. Maybe that is what your
Speaker 4: linebackers need in order to put them over the hunt,
Speaker 4: like giving that ability for them sometimes to be rushing
Speaker 4: up the a gap versus dropping in coverage.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a skill set that of Damon.
Speaker 4: Clark has that could make him go from being a
Speaker 4: linebacker that's just a guy right now to being a
Speaker 4: linebacker that really is an impact type player.
Speaker 2: Right So, all I'm saying is I like the aggressiveness.
Speaker 4: So there's some names on here that you can really
Speaker 4: look at from an aggressive standpoint. I think Rex Ryan
Speaker 4: and Martindale probably are more on the far side of
Speaker 4: that aggressiveness piece. And then there's also the piece of
Speaker 4: who's gonna give you that toughness and who's gonna give
Speaker 4: you that accountability, And I think Mike Zimmer, for me,
Speaker 4: represents that.
Speaker 7: I think Mike Zimmer is the sweet spot. I really
Speaker 7: do when you look at the pros of each. For example,
Speaker 7: you know Rex Ryan he's gonna be firing brimstone, just
Speaker 7: like Mike Zimmer will be fire and brimstone.
Speaker 5: But Zimmer is.
Speaker 7: More proven more recently, and all of the other things
Speaker 7: I said about Mike Zimmer. When you look at Mink Martindale, yes,
Speaker 7: very aggressive, just like Rex Ryan and sending blitzes. But
Speaker 7: you also have to love the fact that Mike Zimmer
Speaker 7: is the OG of Semblitz. Right, are they coming? Are
Speaker 7: they dropping back in coverage? And the moment you think
Speaker 7: they're dropping back in coverage, they're coming. The moment you
Speaker 7: think they're coming, they're dropping back in coverage. A lot
Speaker 7: of that that you're seeing in some of these young
Speaker 7: coordinators they got that exactly from Mike Zimmer. Why not,
Speaker 7: you know, take advantage of the OG, right, I bring
Speaker 7: the OG in to get it done. So when you
Speaker 7: look at a lot of different things, you have pros
Speaker 7: for Rex Ryan aggressiveness both as fire and Brimstone old
Speaker 7: school ball coach is going to hold accountable. But you're
Speaker 7: going to get that from Mike Zimmer as well, just
Speaker 7: like you'd get it from Wink Martindale. I don't think
Speaker 7: Ron Rivera's brought with fire and Brimstone. He's closer to
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy as far as temperament is concerned. But then
Speaker 7: when you look at some of the other things, recency
Speaker 7: of production, Ryan doesn't have that Zimmer has that you
Speaker 7: don't want to use what the commanders part of the
Speaker 7: resume on RIVERA. So I just really think Mike Zimmer
Speaker 7: is the sweet spot. When you look at all things considered,
Speaker 7: there's not there's not a perfect candidate that's available right now,
Speaker 7: but there is one that's better than the rest, and
Speaker 7: I think that's.
Speaker 9: My I like what you said with just having that
Speaker 9: balance between Mike McCarthy and him what he can bring
Speaker 9: of Mike McCarthy being the players coach and him bringing
Speaker 9: the toughness, because I think, like in most things, to
Speaker 9: be successful, you need that balance. You need someone to
Speaker 9: be the bad guy and then you need someone to
Speaker 9: be the cool person. You know, like celebrities, they have.
Speaker 3: Me and you.
Speaker 2: That's exactly.
Speaker 9: Celebrities have their managers. Who are the bad guy? Which
Speaker 9: one are you?
Speaker 2: In this case, I'm the nice count.
Speaker 4: I'm the guy that everybody loves to be around.
Speaker 2: The implication, the implication that's cold.
Speaker 9: Seriously, I'm just you are you are, But wait until
Speaker 9: another day that you catch me in a different mood.
Speaker 7: Let me also say one more thing about when it
Speaker 7: comes to Mike Zimmer. The success which has been a
Speaker 7: while ago for Rex Ryan. That success came in what
Speaker 7: conference the AFC, Mike Zimmer's production and success has been
Speaker 7: more recent and in what conference? The NFC, same conference
Speaker 7: that the Cowboys playing. So I say that to say,
Speaker 7: on top of the other pros that Mike Zimmer presents,
Speaker 7: he knows how to navigate this specific conference.
Speaker 2: But this conference has changed a great deal since even
Speaker 2: he was a coach. Think about it.
Speaker 4: The number of teams in the NFC to have different
Speaker 4: coaching staffs now than what they did when he was.
Speaker 5: He coach coaching in twenty one.
Speaker 2: I understand that.
Speaker 4: So there are new faces about how doubt but think
Speaker 4: about how Dallas has changed.
Speaker 2: Think about the NFC. Just look at the NFC East.
Speaker 2: His record is against every team.
Speaker 4: Every team in the NFC East has a new coach
Speaker 4: since two thousand and nineteen. I want to say, NFC East, Yeah, Mike,
Speaker 4: Mike is the most tenured.
Speaker 2: Isn't Mike the most ten those Yeah?
Speaker 4: Again, he's only he's only had four years and and
Speaker 4: he's the most sus Right.
Speaker 2: So my point is like, I don't know that I
Speaker 2: hear what. I hear your point.
Speaker 4: I don't know that it makes a huge difference because
Speaker 4: I think the NFL turns over so quickly. The coaching
Speaker 4: staffs turn over so quickly and what a team looks
Speaker 4: like today from the standpoint of the coaches and the
Speaker 4: schemes that they run. They changed year to year to
Speaker 4: every two years, every three years. I mean, even think
Speaker 4: about the Cowboys. Their offense changed last year. Even though
Speaker 4: you had the same coach, the offense changed. So I
Speaker 4: don't know that that's when I would look at but
Speaker 4: I would say this for for a lot of these guys,
Speaker 4: if they've stayed in touch with the game during the
Speaker 4: time that they've been off they could come back better
Speaker 4: coaches than they were.
Speaker 5: When the England which is what Mike McCarthy did, right.
Speaker 4: They can come back better coaches because of the fact
Speaker 4: that they had a chance to sit and look and
Speaker 4: think about what is the nature of the current NFL offense?
Speaker 2: What is the nature of a current years Maybe it
Speaker 2: just depends on who it is.
Speaker 9: You know, anything is possible.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but to his point, it really depends on who
Speaker 7: it is. I thought, good they are, Yeah, top of
Speaker 7: the show.
Speaker 5: I said.
Speaker 7: One of my concerns is that how quickly can the
Speaker 7: new DC hit the ground running.
Speaker 5: I think it would take a while for Rix.
Speaker 7: Ryan to hit the ground running, not because he lacks
Speaker 7: ability but because he's been out of the league since
Speaker 7: twenty sixteen and he has to get his bearings, Mike
Speaker 7: Zimmer doesn't have to get his bearings. He was only
Speaker 7: off from the NFL for one year, but he was
Speaker 7: still coaching during that During that time, he was consulting
Speaker 7: and doing analyst work for Jackson State. But while he
Speaker 7: was doing that the past five, six, seven, eight years,
Speaker 7: Rix Ryan was in a broadcast beat right. So as
Speaker 7: far as hitting the ground running, if you really want
Speaker 7: to caalm that concern with me, get a guy who
Speaker 7: I've seen recently.
Speaker 9: Well, the problem is the stakes are so high right
Speaker 9: now that it really needs to Here's my fear and
Speaker 9: you have to get past that because you have to
Speaker 9: hire somebody and you got to take it. But my
Speaker 9: fear is like, okay, fast forward. I'm not trying to
Speaker 9: I'm not trying to be pessimistic because if anything, I'm
Speaker 9: the one who will be out there supporting the Cowboys
Speaker 9: and thinking this is the year when it's not. But
Speaker 9: we first stop, I'm not quit restricting me. But my
Speaker 9: fear is fast forward. We get to the scenario where
Speaker 9: it doesn't happen, but we see things that were good.
Speaker 9: We see things that were successful in the defense, and
Speaker 9: then we get that, well it was first year, next year,
Speaker 9: it should be now this. But then you also got
Speaker 9: to add the element that that might be or this
Speaker 9: might be the end, that my McCarthy's last year and
Speaker 9: all that. But it's just it's it's such a high
Speaker 9: stake right now and such a big gamble and it's
Speaker 9: a big, big decision. And again we talked about, you know,
Speaker 9: I think it's been you, Derek bringing up this whole
Speaker 9: thing of like the standard for the Star and like
Speaker 9: where the pressure of players receiving this pressure, this amount
Speaker 9: of pressure, and I think it also applies to coaches
Speaker 9: as well. And whoever comes in, there's such a big
Speaker 9: pressure right off the bat that I wonder how quickly
Speaker 9: can someone even experienced or not experienced or not as experienced,
Speaker 9: can they well apply everything or make those changes. I
Speaker 9: don't know.
Speaker 2: Here's the fact.
Speaker 4: The fact is we saw Mike Nolan come in and
Speaker 4: it completely went downhill in one year. We saw Dan
Speaker 4: come in and he completely elevated it in one year.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it can go either way.
Speaker 4: And by the way, both of them were experienced and
Speaker 4: successfully experienced defensive coordinators in the NFL, and so there
Speaker 4: is no real guarantee with any of them.
Speaker 2: I personally, again.
Speaker 4: If I'm looking at this list, I look at this
Speaker 4: list and I say, the safest pick, and in my opinion,
Speaker 4: the best pic is Mike zimmer because I think he
Speaker 4: has all those things we just talked about, the accountability
Speaker 4: of the toughness. He can be aggressive, He understands the organization,
Speaker 4: he understands the weight of the star.
Speaker 2: He's lived it. He lived it for a long time.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so was here first.
Speaker 5: Time years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was through multiple head coaches for multiplayer coaches
Speaker 4: switch he started with he was a secondary coach at
Speaker 4: one point, and then he got to that long yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and uh and so he just he gets this building
Speaker 4: and this is a unique this is a unique building,
Speaker 4: a unique franchise.
Speaker 2: He gets all that.
Speaker 4: And so I think when you look at just everything involved,
Speaker 4: I think the safest and the best pick in my
Speaker 4: mind for what I know of it, there would be
Speaker 4: a Mike Zimma.
Speaker 9: And we'll find out tomorrow, right well, or should.
Speaker 4: Be honestly, I will be I will actually be shocked
Speaker 4: if that happens tomorrow. I I if I was putting
Speaker 4: money on it, which we don't bet. We can't bet,
Speaker 4: just for the record, we can't bet on anything sports related.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 4: If I were a betting man and I was putting
Speaker 4: money on it, I would actually bet that this decision
Speaker 4: doesn't come until next week, just because it feels like
Speaker 4: the Cowboys are doing their due diligence, which I like,
Speaker 4: and and that may require them to take a little
Speaker 4: more time. They may have a decision already, like they've
Speaker 4: they've talked to a lot of guys. They may already
Speaker 4: know who they want, and so that may make them
Speaker 4: say we're ready to make a decision. What we know
Speaker 4: is that they're not going to make the decision Saturday
Speaker 4: before Super Bowl. So we might find out something tomorrow,
Speaker 4: we might find out something next week. But at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, I just I hope that they're
Speaker 4: taking their time and then really thinking through everything. And
Speaker 4: like I said before, whoever they hire, they better have
Speaker 4: a hell of a plan for Michael Parsons, a great
Speaker 4: plan for Mike.
Speaker 2: That's where it all starts and ends.
Speaker 5: From me.
Speaker 7: I'm more comfortable putting Micah in the hands of Mike
Speaker 7: Zimmer knowing this is a guy who coached the Marcus
Speaker 7: Ware for example, and you look at the what Mike
Speaker 7: Zimmer would be inheriting, which would be whoever comes in,
Speaker 7: they're going to inherit this. Michael Parsons, Trevon Diggs, Deron Bland,
Speaker 7: Cornerstone guys, de Marcus Lawrence, bring him back because he's headed.
Speaker 2: A lot of talent on this.
Speaker 5: There's so much talent.
Speaker 7: I just feel like when you look at it from
Speaker 7: how Mike Zimmer has run defenses and been successful, I
Speaker 7: just think that it would be more of an immediate
Speaker 7: impact as far as versus waiting for someone to get
Speaker 7: their bearings who've been out of the league for a
Speaker 7: while and still trying to figure some things out.
Speaker 5: And again I say, he knows how to navigate the NFC.
Speaker 7: Yes, there's been some changes, but some of these coaches
Speaker 7: are still the same, and ultimately, whichever coach can beat
Speaker 7: the forty nine ers is the one I want.
Speaker 4: All Right, So here's what we're gonna do. We're not
Speaker 4: gonna get to Dak Prescott. But what we are gonna
Speaker 4: do you get back. When we get back, You're going
Speaker 4: to pick the super Bowl. We're gonna talk about Super
Speaker 4: Bowl a little bit and then next week what we're
Speaker 4: gonna do is we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 9: Can't you ever keep up with promises or things that
Speaker 9: you say?
Speaker 5: Like you never like you knew she was coming back?
Speaker 9: Why can't you ever stand what you say?
Speaker 5: Episode?
Speaker 9: I'm just saying, you want to talk about player pay,
Speaker 9: You want to talk about players being held accountable. Hold
Speaker 9: yourself accountable, Derek. Okay, you cannot preach and not do
Speaker 9: at the same time. Okay, you gotta do it by
Speaker 9: the example before preaching.
Speaker 2: Well, next time I'll just cut y'all off and won't
Speaker 2: let you talk as much. How about that.
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Speaker 4: Welcome Back. Final segment of the break we are live from.
Speaker 4: That's WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, it's time to
Speaker 4: pick the Super Bowl. I actually want to take this
Speaker 4: from two different standpoints. I want you first to tell
Speaker 4: me who you want to win, and then tell me
Speaker 4: who you think is going to win, because those things.
Speaker 2: Don't have to be the same.
Speaker 4: Let's start with you, Patrick, Kansas City versus San Francisco
Speaker 4: and the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Who do you want to win? Who do you think wins?
Speaker 7: I want nothing good for San Francisco, so I want
Speaker 7: the Kansas City Chiefs to win. I want Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 7: to go out there and do to San Francisco what
Speaker 7: he was able to do to the Eagles. Just kill
Speaker 7: all my enemies. Thank you, mister Mahomes. Who I think
Speaker 7: will win is I also think it will be Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 5: I think that.
Speaker 7: You know, while brock Party has come on strong over
Speaker 7: these past couple of games kind of leveled up a bit,
Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes has as well. And the key thing for
Speaker 7: the Chiefs is that the receivers are not dropping passes.
Speaker 2: Rice is playing well, right, Rice.
Speaker 7: Is playing well, but even Valdez scantling, He's coming up
Speaker 7: with big catches. Now and that was really the crux
Speaker 7: of what was wrong with the Kansas City Chiefs over
Speaker 7: most of the year was that they led the league
Speaker 7: in drops and that's why they lost to the Philadelphia
Speaker 7: Eagles in Kansas City because of the drop by Valdas Scantland.
Speaker 7: So now that his receivers Patrick Mahomes's receivers are catching
Speaker 7: the ball, I think Mahomes is going to Mahomes. Andy
Speaker 7: Reid is in his bag and quite as it's kept.
Speaker 7: Because they don't get talked about enough, Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 7: defense is one of the best.
Speaker 5: In the league.
Speaker 9: Absolutely one percent. I agree with everything you said. I
Speaker 9: feel the same exact way I think.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 9: I do want the Chiefs to win, and then too,
Speaker 9: I think they will win. I think with the San
Speaker 9: Francisco forty nine ers, we've seen moments of they've they've
Speaker 9: been very successful, but they've had moments of weakness where
Speaker 9: you can attack them. And I think the Chiefs just
Speaker 9: have way more experience in this setting, in this environment
Speaker 9: and right now, everything y'all know, miss vibe, all the
Speaker 9: things that I've seen on social though, the vibe is
Speaker 9: just the Chiefs just have the vibe for it and
Speaker 9: every time I see it, forty nine Ers players pop
Speaker 9: up on screen. They just annoy me. So yeah, I
Speaker 9: think the Chiefs have everything too. It's gonna be a
Speaker 9: really really good game, and I think it's gonna be
Speaker 9: a close one. But I do believe the Chiefs get
Speaker 9: the win.
Speaker 5: Let me have this really quickly, Derek.
Speaker 7: To Ambar's point, the forty nine Ers barely escape with
Speaker 7: their lives against the Green Bay Packers. The Detroit Lions
Speaker 7: had them did to rights before choking that game away. Contrarily,
Speaker 7: Kansas City Chiefs walked into Baltimore against the number one
Speaker 7: see against the front runner for MVP and clamped.
Speaker 5: I take the Chiefs in this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I also want the Chiefs to win. I think
Speaker 4: they will not win. I think here's the interesting part
Speaker 4: and what I'm keeping an eye on is Joe Thuny, the.
Speaker 2: Guard for the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: The one thing that I seen that one antidote to
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes and what he does and what he's done
Speaker 4: in Super Bowls, but specifically is if you can get
Speaker 4: a pass rush on him and make it to where
Speaker 4: he is uncomfortable and get to him. Because, by the way,
Speaker 4: just having a pass rush doesn't matter. Sometimes he still
Speaker 4: knows how to get out of it and get it.
Speaker 4: But when you can get to him and you can
Speaker 4: affect the passing game by getting to him, that's when
Speaker 4: they haven't had success in the Super Bowl. And I
Speaker 4: look at that Joe Thuny injury as that kind of
Speaker 4: serious moment because I don't know much about their backup.
Speaker 4: My question I thought would be he ain't as good
Speaker 4: as Thuny, and so if that's If that's the case,
Speaker 4: then you're now gonna have pressure that can come. And
Speaker 4: we know San Francisco's front can get after you. They
Speaker 4: absolutely can get after you. They can bring those linebackers
Speaker 4: as well up the middle. There's lots of ways that
Speaker 4: they can create pressure on him, and without his starting guard,
Speaker 4: I think that can be a problem for them. I
Speaker 4: just I kind of have a feeling that ultimately, when
Speaker 4: it comes down to it, the difference in this game
Speaker 4: will be San Francisco's defense. I think they will make
Speaker 4: the plays and they will ultimately be the reason why
Speaker 4: San Francisco gets to win.
Speaker 2: I don't want that to happen, but that's.
Speaker 5: What I think.
Speaker 7: You don't feel that if there's any coach in the
Speaker 7: league that could scheme around an injury.
Speaker 5: It's Andy Reid.
Speaker 2: That's nice.
Speaker 4: But what I saw in the Super Bowl that Patrick
Speaker 4: Mahomes lost a few years ago. They got after and
Speaker 4: he just couldn't figure out how to get the ball
Speaker 4: out before he was under pressure, under duress and getting hit.
Speaker 4: So I've seen this, I've seen this movie before. I
Speaker 4: know how it ends. And so again I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that that they can necessarily do it, but I think
Speaker 4: if you don't, if you're without one of your pieces,
Speaker 4: that's a start to them being able to do that.
Speaker 4: And let's not forget they do have one of the best,
Speaker 4: if not the best front four in the league.
Speaker 7: Agreed, but that same front four was basically mauled in
Speaker 7: the first half against the Lions on the ground.
Speaker 5: So this is how you counterbalance that.
Speaker 7: You try to neutralize some of the pass rush early,
Speaker 7: you get Isaiah Pachecko, that run game involved, and the
Speaker 7: Lions have shown you what gaps to hit, how this
Speaker 7: scheme and how the pin and pull and do what
Speaker 7: you need to do against the forty nine ers and
Speaker 7: get off and get huge runs and take the pass
Speaker 7: rush out of the game, and then that should free
Speaker 7: Patrick Maholmes.
Speaker 4: Up to do what he dis That's nice, but they're
Speaker 4: gonna win based on Patrick Mahomes's arm, not on as
Speaker 4: I'm saying, as so far as helping the neutral life.
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, but I think at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, they're gonna be like, all right,
Speaker 4: but checko, get your four or five. You ain't gonna
Speaker 4: take it to the house. Get your four or five.
Speaker 2: We'll do that. We'll okay with that. But but at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, what.
Speaker 4: We're not going to do is we're not gonna let
Speaker 4: the quarterback sit back there and just dissect us. And
Speaker 4: so that's the part where if they can make that
Speaker 4: work again, that.
Speaker 2: Is a tough house because Mahomes is a he is
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 4: Obviously, he's the best quarterback in the NFL approaching getting
Speaker 4: in that conversation, among the best in the league district.
Speaker 4: But that being said, like I've seen this particular situation
Speaker 4: when they could.
Speaker 9: Have seen this season.
Speaker 2: No, no, well, this season they had issues with the receiver.
Speaker 4: But but I'm saying in Super Bowls, I've seen situations
Speaker 4: where they couldn't protect them and that was ultimately the
Speaker 4: reason why they didn't win, and I think this is
Speaker 4: the kind of team that can present some of those
Speaker 4: similar kind of challenges, especially if he's one man down
Speaker 4: on this offensive.
Speaker 7: I think because the Chiefs have proven that they can
Speaker 7: run the ball, and you look at the conference championship
Speaker 7: game wherein the line shows that they that the forty
Speaker 7: nine ers can be run against, I think there's a
Speaker 7: good opportunity there to neutralize the pass rush.
Speaker 2: But that was a naboration though, right, Like have they
Speaker 2: been like that all season?
Speaker 5: Not all seasons? True, but if you allow it once,
Speaker 5: then you will know.
Speaker 4: I think I think sometimes there plus person out like
Speaker 4: we always talk, yes, but I do think sometimes that's
Speaker 4: a that's a function also of what was the game
Speaker 4: plan going in, And maybe the game plan was we're
Speaker 4: going to accept these things because we figure this is
Speaker 4: better than the alternative, right, And I'm not saying that's
Speaker 4: what I'm just. All I'm saying is I don't know that.
Speaker 4: I I don't look at the San Francisco fortnight and
Speaker 4: say they're weak against the run.
Speaker 2: They are not weak against the run. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: they are a good run deep.
Speaker 7: I'm saying they just recently showed sure, that they can
Speaker 7: be on any given day, and all that needs to
Speaker 7: be is this given day. I also say, if that
Speaker 7: pass Rusk gets neutralized and or doesn't get to Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 7: Fred Warner's coverage, notwithstanding that secondary is lunch against Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 7: If the Chiefs receivers continue to not drop the ball,
Speaker 7: that's the big thing.
Speaker 4: Look, I think you can make an argument because you
Speaker 4: don't get to this point in the season without having
Speaker 4: a lot of good things that you can do. I
Speaker 4: just think that as I look at it, the thing
Speaker 4: that really would merge me most, especially because I want
Speaker 4: Kansas City to win, is the fact that if they
Speaker 4: if they're shorthanded on the offensive line, I think that
Speaker 4: can make a huge difference. And as we all know,
Speaker 4: with a lot of quarterbacks, the tackle is not the
Speaker 4: guy that they really worry more about.
Speaker 5: It's that guard interior.
Speaker 4: Because when you start getting that pressure up the middle,
Speaker 4: and we know they got some beast San Francisco got
Speaker 4: some beasts in the middle of their defense. You start
Speaker 4: getting those guys getting through and getting into my homes
Speaker 4: face and in his lap.
Speaker 2: That can change a game.
Speaker 4: That can change the game game significantly. So that's the
Speaker 4: part that worries me. Let's hope that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: But that's the part that one of the rare.
Speaker 7: Times I went against Mahomes was in that AFC Championship
Speaker 7: against the Ravens.
Speaker 5: That just happened. Yeah, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: I said, I said in that game.
Speaker 4: I was like, until somebody shows me they can stop
Speaker 4: this guy from going to a super Bowl, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: stick with him because he said he tends to figure
Speaker 4: out how to get to the super Bowl most of
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 5: Patrick will see, I believe in you. All right, business, all.
Speaker 2: Right, guys, I appreciate you.
Speaker 8: Guys.
Speaker 2: We're back next week.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about the super Bowl a little bit and
Speaker 4: maybe next week we'll get into some DAK talk. We'll
Speaker 4: see if these guys don't talk so much.
Speaker 2: NFL honors happens tomorrow night. We got several guys who
Speaker 2: are who are up.
Speaker 5: For award around his war.
Speaker 2: The one that I care about the most, the absolute
Speaker 2: most Hall of Fame announcements. Praying our guy Darren Woodson
Speaker 2: gets in. We'll see how him. We we'll see how
Speaker 2: that goes. He deserves to be there.
Speaker 4: Uh, but we'll see how that goes Mike, that's exactly right. Guess,
Speaker 4: great stories on that too, if he gets in and
Speaker 4: we'll bring them on, maybe we'll.
Speaker 2: Talk about some of that. All right, We'll be back
Speaker 2: next week. Till then for Patrickwalker and Garcia.
Speaker 9: This is all show right to the end too.
Speaker 2: We'll we'll see you guys next week.
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