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Speaker 4: It is Wednesday, February seventh, twenty twenty four, Season nine,

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Speaker 4: episode number one eleven. Welcome to the Laces Edition All

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Speaker 4: the Break. We're live from s WVC Borgage Studios at

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Speaker 4: the start. Brian's at the super Bowl today, but we

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Speaker 4: got the rest of the crew here. We're gonna talk about.

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Speaker 2: Some coordinators today.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of stuff moving there, not only with

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Speaker 4: into our conversation on Dak Prescott. I've been promising for

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Speaker 4: Eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven.

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Speaker 4: Let's start first with defensive coordinator in Dallas, Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 4: He's off he has been hired by the Washington commanders.

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Speaker 2: First, just kind of.

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Speaker 7: to be potentially massive fallout from that because you have

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Speaker 7: the Cowboys had interest in interviewing Joe Witt.

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Speaker 5: For the defensive court in the position.

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Speaker 7: Some of the players like Trevon Diggs had interest in

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Speaker 2: Can I challenge you real quick? I don't know that.

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Speaker 8: Them for me.

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Speaker 7: I see what you're saying. And here's where I would

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Speaker 7: Not necessarily, but and I agree with that, right, But

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Speaker 4: Well they got they got roster spots at this point

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Speaker 7: And I have my leanings and we'll talk about that

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Speaker 2: Second, And what were your thoughts when you heard that

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Speaker 9: this Cowboys defense. Excuse me, I started what about ten

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Speaker 9: and initially we just all assumed he was gonna be gone.

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Speaker 9: Then it was kind of slowing down and you're like, okay,

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Speaker 9: but it's just it's a tough change because to me,

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Speaker 9: it's been what thirty years whatever, But right now when

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Speaker 9: know it happened with Dan Quinn. He was pretty impactful.

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Speaker 9: I made a quick impact here with the Cowboys, But

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Speaker 9: it is that concern. It was like, Okay, how long

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Speaker 2: Well, let me challenge you a little bit on that too.

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Speaker 4: When you say since the moment he got here, he's

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Speaker 4: How much do you think that that because, by the way,

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Speaker 4: I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I actually I tweeted. I tweeted, but I tweeted about.

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Speaker 2: It went from what Mike Nolan did in twenty twenty to.

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Speaker 4: What he was what Dan was able to do in

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Speaker 4: Guys who have been successful defensive coordinators in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: And I tell them the first thing I asked them

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Speaker 2: Is what's your plan for Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 9: That's the that's the interview aside from Micah Parsons, which

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Speaker 9: I completely agree. It happens simultaneously and you cannot take

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'll see it. At the same time, money

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Speaker 7: so you just wonder how everything shakes up. But dan

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Speaker 4: let's talk about the candidates. And these are just ireless

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Speaker 4: out there. And by the way, if you guys have

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Speaker 4: other names you want to throw into this mix, you can.

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Speaker 4: But here's what I'm gonna throw. Here are the names

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Speaker 4: I got, and I want you to tell me which

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Speaker 4: one intrigues you most. You got Mike Zimmer, Ron Rivera Rex, Ryan, Aiden, Dirty, Wink,

444
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Speaker 4: Martindale or whomever else you might want to throw out there.

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Speaker 4: What name jumps out at you most.

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Speaker 7: Who I do love me some Wink Martindale, But after

447
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Speaker 7: what he did in New York, well, I don't think things.

448
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Speaker 7: I think the result that you saw in New York

449
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Speaker 7: was symptomatic of a deeper problem as far as Stable

450
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Speaker 7: and Wink just did.

451
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Speaker 5: Not get along.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that that all possibly shows kind of

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Speaker 4: like it? And I don't want to, I don't want

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Speaker 4: to get you off track, but I just I wonder

455
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Speaker 4: sometimes if if that's an indication of a guy who

456
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Speaker 4: sometimes is not willing to just abdicate to the head coach,

457
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Speaker 4: because ultimately the head coach is the CEO. It's in

458
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Speaker 4: any group if you're not willing to I tell you

459
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Speaker 4: all the time, my job for my boss is to

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Speaker 4: make sure he looks good. So if he tells me

461
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Speaker 4: this is a direction we need to go, guess what

462
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Speaker 4: I'm going to go in that direction. I'm going to

463
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Speaker 4: give it the best I got in that direction, because

464
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Speaker 4: ultimately he has to be accountable to the final outcome. Right,

465
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Speaker 4: it does it show you that maybe Wink Martin Dale

466
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Speaker 4: is not that guy, and so you bring him in

467
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Speaker 4: you might get what you get. It might be good,

468
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Speaker 4: it might not fit the overall concept of what do

469
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Speaker 4: you think is best for the team if you're the

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Speaker 4: head coach.

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Speaker 7: I get the feeling that Wank Martindale is unwilling to

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Speaker 7: acquiesce to new head coaches because Wink has been around,

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Speaker 7: He's been with hardwhile he's bitten, He's been to the

474
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Speaker 7: top of the mountain. He understands, and he has such

475
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Speaker 7: a long and improven resume that when you have a

476
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Speaker 7: new head coach like Brian Dabo coming in who's fiery

477
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Speaker 7: and he wants things done in his way, which is

478
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Speaker 7: completely fine at your organization, But if you're Wink Martindale,

479
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Speaker 7: you're basically looking at him in meeting rooms and saying

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Speaker 7: that's not going to work. And I don't believe that

481
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Speaker 7: what you're saying is gonna work, and I know that

482
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Speaker 7: it's not gonna work. Flip it to the Cowboys situation.

483
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Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy's proven that's a different level of respect, is

484
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Speaker 7: what I'm saying. I don't think that you'd see many

485
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Speaker 7: of those types of rifts between Wank Martindale and Mike

486
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Speaker 7: McCarthy because I believe McCarthy would command a certain respect

487
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Speaker 7: from Martindale that Dabo or any other new head coach

488
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Speaker 7: simply would not command from Martindale. But I will also

489
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Speaker 7: say that with me. With Martindale jumping off of the page,

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Speaker 7: Zimmer also jumps off of the page for me as well.

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Speaker 7: When you talk about the pre existing relationship between Zimmer

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Speaker 7: and this organization, and you talk about what he came

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Speaker 7: up from with this organization, defensive assistant, defensive backs coach,

494
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Speaker 7: defensive coordinator, and then he was a defensive coordinator for

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Speaker 7: multiple head coaches. We were talking about it during the break.

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Speaker 7: He went from a four to three or from a yeah,

497
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Speaker 7: from a four three to running a three four and

498
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Speaker 7: the Bill Parcells and still had the defense doing some

499
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Speaker 7: great things. Look at some of the players he's coached.

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Speaker 7: Darren Woodson, DeMarcus Ware shouts out to Dad Win uh,

501
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Speaker 7: and who's my other guy? Who's with Come on, it's ah,

502
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Speaker 7: it's my other guy's escaping me?

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Speaker 2: Safety safety Hammer Hamlin.

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Speaker 5: No, it's gonna come to me.

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Speaker 7: So anyway, he's coached several not only notable names, but

506
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Speaker 7: headline names.

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Speaker 5: Mike Zimmer when he was Minnesota.

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Speaker 7: No, no, it's not Woodson, it's another one. It's Roy

509
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Speaker 7: Williams the safety. That's another one. There's a list that's

510
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Speaker 7: a good one. But there's one in particular. It'll come

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Speaker 7: to me when I'm not trying to think about it. See,

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Speaker 7: this is what did he coach Hamlin? I don't remember

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Speaker 7: he was here when Hamlin. No, Hambrick, Hamlin No. I'm

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Speaker 7: telling you. I think it was Hambrick that he coached,

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Speaker 7: not well Hambrick. Okay, yeah, So nonetheless he's coached notable

516
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Speaker 7: headline and some Hall of Fame talent. In any variation

517
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Speaker 7: of the defense, I think Mike Zimmer really really jumps

518
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Speaker 7: off and far ahead of Rex Ryan, ahead of Ron Rivera,

519
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Speaker 7: and kind of right up there against wing Martin dip

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Speaker 7: what jumps off at you?

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Speaker 5: Hammer?

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Speaker 9: Well, this is very conflicting in my mind. I have

523
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Speaker 9: so many thoughts, like just go back and forth because

524
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Speaker 9: and this is a tough fight. On one hand, I

525
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Speaker 9: am drawn to Aiden Dirty because because he's here, you know,

526
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Speaker 9: he's been here, he's good at what he does. I

527
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Speaker 9: think all the players really respect them. He he's been here,

528
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Speaker 9: so he knows. So there's not a big transition gap.

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Speaker 9: You know. He can make that transition pretty smoothly.

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Speaker 7: I think ahead was a lot.

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Speaker 2: We said trying to but you said safety has.

532
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Speaker 3: Like that.

533
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Speaker 5: Continue you that's what I mean.

534
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Speaker 2: Good years.

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Speaker 9: Anyways, what I was saying is I like that that

536
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Speaker 9: wouldn't be a big change. It's a smooth transition and

537
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Speaker 9: he has the experience. But at the same time you're switching.

538
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Speaker 9: That's a big jump from what you were doing to

539
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Speaker 9: now becoming the defensive coordinator. So that kind of scares me.

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Speaker 9: The newness of it. It scares me, but I like

541
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Speaker 9: that he's been here. On the other hand, and another thing,

542
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Speaker 9: I like that he's young. He's on the younger side,

543
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Speaker 9: and part of me, I'm more into now the younger coaches,

544
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Speaker 9: and just like there's big there's a big difference between

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Speaker 9: like the coaches are stepping now into those roles versus

546
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Speaker 9: Ron Rivera, Mike Simmer, the older coaches. And that's my

547
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Speaker 9: problem when it comes to the outside coaches. Now they

548
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Speaker 9: are older, but they do have the experience. So now

549
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Speaker 9: it's like, Okay, they could come in and make the

550
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Speaker 9: bigger impact because if you're trying to make it happen

551
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Speaker 9: this year, this season coming up, then it's good to

552
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Speaker 9: have that experience in there. And right now, as far

553
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Speaker 9: as the candidates, I'm not a huge fan of Ron Rivera,

554
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Speaker 9: never really have been. Don't ask me why. I'm just

555
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Speaker 9: not especially the last few years. I haven't been impressed

556
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Speaker 9: with what he's been able to accomplish. Yes, yes, so

557
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Speaker 9: that doesn't attract me very much right now from what.

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Speaker 4: Before he was doing that, he took Carolina pants, He's

559
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Speaker 4: had success, and so yeah, he's been successful, But I'm looking.

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Speaker 9: At recent years. I'm looking at the now and not

561
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Speaker 9: what it was not that the past. So right now

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Speaker 9: with Mike Zimmer, I think he he's in the top

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Speaker 9: of the list right now for me as well, just

564
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Speaker 9: because of the experience that he brings into the table

565
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Speaker 9: and maybe that's something that can translate into quick impact

566
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Speaker 9: this year. So it's just I don't know. I don't

567
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Speaker 9: know what to feel because experience versus someone that's already

568
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Speaker 9: here and successful.

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Speaker 7: There are pros and cons both ways. But I what

570
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Speaker 7: you just said, something stuck out of what you just said,

571
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Speaker 7: which was you're going by what happened recently, right You

572
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Speaker 7: know who hasn't done anything recently is Rex Ryan. This

573
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Speaker 7: is one of the problems I have with Rex Ryan.

574
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Speaker 7: He's been out of the league for the most part.

575
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Speaker 7: Since twenty sixteen, at least, Zimmer has been in the league,

576
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Speaker 7: albeit in the head coaching capacity. Zimmer was in the

577
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Speaker 7: NFC Championship against the Eagles in twenty seventeen, right, so

578
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Speaker 7: you know, half a decade ago, so not long ago,

579
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Speaker 7: but he was. He's been in the league and he's

580
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Speaker 7: only recently set out twenty twenty two after departing from

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Speaker 7: the Minnesota Viking. So again that goes to my point

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Speaker 7: with Zimmer is that not only do you have a

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Speaker 7: proven guy who has a preexist the good relationship with

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Speaker 7: the Cowboys organization, this is a guy who can come

585
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Speaker 7: in and scheme whatever you put in front.

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Speaker 5: Of him and make them successful.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it's gonna be it's gonna be a culture shock

588
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Speaker 7: because dan Quinn's style of coaching that ain't Mike Zimmer's

589
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 7: style of coaching. But this style of coaching might be

590
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Speaker 7: what you need right now and Mike Zimmer. So for me,

591
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 7: Ron Rivera, I'll also give Ron Rivera some credit in

592
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Speaker 7: that when you are because like you said, it's hard

593
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Speaker 7: to be successful, as dan Quinn is about to find

594
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Speaker 7: out when you're with the Washington commanders. But what dan

595
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 7: Quinn won't find out is what it means to have

596
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Speaker 7: to coach under Dan Snyder's ownership. So maybe dan Quinn

597
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 7: has more luck there, maybe not. But I think Rivera

598
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 7: take the commanders out of the equation for the most part,

599
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 7: because that was just a I was gonna say, but

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Speaker 7: that was just a horrible situation all around. Look at

601
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Speaker 7: his success with the Panthers, look at his success as

602
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Speaker 7: a defensive coordinator prior to the Panthers. There's good to

603
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Speaker 7: be had there. So for me, it's Zimmer put Win

604
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Speaker 7: Martindale right up there against him Rivera, and then way

605
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 7: down here is where you got Rix Ryan. I'm intrigued

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Speaker 7: by eight and Dirty, but again, proven season for Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 7: I don't know that he has time for the learning

608
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 7: curve that might come with a brand a first time

609
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Speaker 7: defensive coordinator, even though Dirty is much beloved in this organization.

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Speaker 4: Here's what I throw out there, because I think you

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Speaker 4: guys both hit on some really interesting points. If you're

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Speaker 4: one of the people for our listeners out there, if

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Speaker 4: you're one of those people that you believe this defense

614
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: has a lot of potential, but they just don't have

615
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 4: the right mindset. I've heard people talk about their toughness,

616
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Speaker 4: the mental toughness, maybe the accountability. Then I think this

617
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Speaker 4: is an easy list to call down. I think your

618
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: guy immediately just jumps out as Mike Zimmer. And the

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Speaker 4: reason why I say that is because, look, I'm not

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Speaker 4: in any of the meetings the Cowboys have right now

621
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Speaker 4: with their team, so I can't say this as a

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Speaker 4: matter of fact. But my guess is, and at least

623
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Speaker 4: from seeing and listening to what Mike says, what players

624
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Speaker 4: say about Mike, it seems like he's more of a

625
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Speaker 4: player's coach style coach.

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Speaker 2: He's not the fire and brimstone type coach.

627
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Speaker 4: He's not going to go into a meeting and basically

628
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 4: dogcusts the team when they're not doing what they're supposed

629
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Speaker 4: to be doing.

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Speaker 2: That's not the impression I get of him. Maybe it's true,

631
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Speaker 2: maybe it's not.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That's not the impression I get. Mike Zimmer, on the

634
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Speaker 4: other hand, is k Iron brimstone coach. I don't think

635
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Speaker 4: you characterize him as a players coach. You would characterize

636
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Speaker 4: him as just.

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Speaker 2: A tough coach.

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Speaker 4: That's all about accountability, right, and So when you look

639
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Speaker 4: at it from that standpoint, if you think this team

640
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 4: could use some of that, and then you could have

641
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Speaker 4: the balance of a head coach that's looking out for

642
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 4: the players and it's concerned about the players and by

643
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Speaker 4: the way, all these things that you should be looking

644
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Speaker 4: at their mental health and all those kinds of things

645
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: that are important. But then you also have that other

646
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 4: coach over here is like, yeah, any of my job.

647
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Speaker 4: My job is making your job right and having that balance,

648
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Speaker 4: Maybe Mike Zimmer is what exactly what this team needs.

649
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Speaker 4: When you start talking about going all in and finding

650
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Speaker 4: that piece that gets you over the hump, maybe Mike

651
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Speaker 4: Zimmer can be that.

652
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Speaker 2: For this team.

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Speaker 4: Here's also the other thing I think about with guys

654
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Speaker 4: like Rex Ryan and Wi Martindale, I just like how

655
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Speaker 4: aggressive they are in calling defenses. They are the kind

656
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Speaker 4: of defensive coordinators. They're sending blitzes and they're sending them

657
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 4: from everywhere. It's stuff coming from everywhere. And when you

658
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: have players like Michael Parsons and players like DeMarcus Lawrence,

659
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 4: and like I'll say this even about Mike Zimmer, he

660
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: loves those ab gap blitzes. Maybe that is what your

661
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 4: linebackers need in order to put them over the hunt,

662
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: like giving that ability for them sometimes to be rushing

663
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 4: up the a gap versus dropping in coverage.

664
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a skill set that of Damon.

665
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: Clark has that could make him go from being a

666
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 4: linebacker that's just a guy right now to being a

667
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 4: linebacker that really is an impact type player.

668
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: Right So, all I'm saying is I like the aggressiveness.

669
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: So there's some names on here that you can really

670
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: look at from an aggressive standpoint. I think Rex Ryan

671
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: and Martindale probably are more on the far side of

672
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: that aggressiveness piece. And then there's also the piece of

673
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 4: who's gonna give you that toughness and who's gonna give

674
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 4: you that accountability, And I think Mike Zimmer, for me,

675
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: represents that.

676
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 7: I think Mike Zimmer is the sweet spot. I really

677
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 7: do when you look at the pros of each. For example,

678
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 7: you know Rex Ryan he's gonna be firing brimstone, just

679
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 7: like Mike Zimmer will be fire and brimstone.

680
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 5: But Zimmer is.

681
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 7: More proven more recently, and all of the other things

682
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 7: I said about Mike Zimmer. When you look at Mink Martindale, yes,

683
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 7: very aggressive, just like Rex Ryan and sending blitzes. But

684
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 7: you also have to love the fact that Mike Zimmer

685
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 7: is the OG of Semblitz. Right, are they coming? Are

686
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 7: they dropping back in coverage? And the moment you think

687
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 7: they're dropping back in coverage, they're coming. The moment you

688
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 7: think they're coming, they're dropping back in coverage. A lot

689
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 7: of that that you're seeing in some of these young

690
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 7: coordinators they got that exactly from Mike Zimmer. Why not,

691
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 7: you know, take advantage of the OG, right, I bring

692
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 7: the OG in to get it done. So when you

693
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 7: look at a lot of different things, you have pros

694
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 7: for Rex Ryan aggressiveness both as fire and Brimstone old

695
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 7: school ball coach is going to hold accountable. But you're

696
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 7: going to get that from Mike Zimmer as well, just

697
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 7: like you'd get it from Wink Martindale. I don't think

698
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 7: Ron Rivera's brought with fire and Brimstone. He's closer to

699
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy as far as temperament is concerned. But then

700
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 7: when you look at some of the other things, recency

701
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 7: of production, Ryan doesn't have that Zimmer has that you

702
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 7: don't want to use what the commanders part of the

703
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 7: resume on RIVERA. So I just really think Mike Zimmer

704
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 7: is the sweet spot. When you look at all things considered,

705
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 7: there's not there's not a perfect candidate that's available right now,

706
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 7: but there is one that's better than the rest, and

707
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 7: I think that's.

708
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 9: My I like what you said with just having that

709
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 9: balance between Mike McCarthy and him what he can bring

710
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 9: of Mike McCarthy being the players coach and him bringing

711
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 9: the toughness, because I think, like in most things, to

712
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 9: be successful, you need that balance. You need someone to

713
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 9: be the bad guy and then you need someone to

714
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 9: be the cool person. You know, like celebrities, they have.

715
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: Me and you.

716
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: That's exactly.

717
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 9: Celebrities have their managers. Who are the bad guy? Which

718
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 9: one are you?

719
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: In this case, I'm the nice count.

720
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: I'm the guy that everybody loves to be around.

721
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: The implication, the implication that's cold.

722
00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 9: Seriously, I'm just you are you are, But wait until

723
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 9: another day that you catch me in a different mood.

724
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 7: Let me also say one more thing about when it

725
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 7: comes to Mike Zimmer. The success which has been a

726
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 7: while ago for Rex Ryan. That success came in what

727
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 7: conference the AFC, Mike Zimmer's production and success has been

728
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 7: more recent and in what conference? The NFC, same conference

729
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 7: that the Cowboys playing. So I say that to say,

730
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 7: on top of the other pros that Mike Zimmer presents,

731
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 7: he knows how to navigate this specific conference.

732
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: But this conference has changed a great deal since even

733
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: he was a coach. Think about it.

734
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: The number of teams in the NFC to have different

735
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 4: coaching staffs now than what they did when he was.

736
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 5: He coach coaching in twenty one.

737
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: I understand that.

738
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 4: So there are new faces about how doubt but think

739
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 4: about how Dallas has changed.

740
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: Think about the NFC. Just look at the NFC East.

741
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: His record is against every team.

742
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 4: Every team in the NFC East has a new coach

743
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: since two thousand and nineteen. I want to say, NFC East, Yeah, Mike,

744
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 4: Mike is the most tenured.

745
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: Isn't Mike the most ten those Yeah?

746
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: Again, he's only he's only had four years and and

747
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 4: he's the most sus Right.

748
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: So my point is like, I don't know that I

749
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 2: hear what. I hear your point.

750
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 4: I don't know that it makes a huge difference because

751
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 4: I think the NFL turns over so quickly. The coaching

752
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: staffs turn over so quickly and what a team looks

753
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: like today from the standpoint of the coaches and the

754
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: schemes that they run. They changed year to year to

755
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 4: every two years, every three years. I mean, even think

756
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 4: about the Cowboys. Their offense changed last year. Even though

757
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: you had the same coach, the offense changed. So I

758
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 4: don't know that that's when I would look at but

759
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 4: I would say this for for a lot of these guys,

760
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: if they've stayed in touch with the game during the

761
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 4: time that they've been off they could come back better

762
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 4: coaches than they were.

763
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 5: When the England which is what Mike McCarthy did, right.

764
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 4: They can come back better coaches because of the fact

765
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: that they had a chance to sit and look and

766
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: think about what is the nature of the current NFL offense?

767
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: What is the nature of a current years Maybe it

768
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: just depends on who it is.

769
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 9: You know, anything is possible.

770
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, but to his point, it really depends on who

771
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 7: it is. I thought, good they are, Yeah, top of

772
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 7: the show.

773
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 5: I said.

774
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 7: One of my concerns is that how quickly can the

775
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 7: new DC hit the ground running.

776
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 5: I think it would take a while for Rix.

777
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 7: Ryan to hit the ground running, not because he lacks

778
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 7: ability but because he's been out of the league since

779
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 7: twenty sixteen and he has to get his bearings, Mike

780
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 7: Zimmer doesn't have to get his bearings. He was only

781
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 7: off from the NFL for one year, but he was

782
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 7: still coaching during that During that time, he was consulting

783
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 7: and doing analyst work for Jackson State. But while he

784
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 7: was doing that the past five, six, seven, eight years,

785
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 7: Rix Ryan was in a broadcast beat right. So as

786
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 7: far as hitting the ground running, if you really want

787
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 7: to caalm that concern with me, get a guy who

788
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 7: I've seen recently.

789
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 9: Well, the problem is the stakes are so high right

790
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 9: now that it really needs to Here's my fear and

791
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 9: you have to get past that because you have to

792
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 9: hire somebody and you got to take it. But my

793
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 9: fear is like, okay, fast forward. I'm not trying to

794
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 9: I'm not trying to be pessimistic because if anything, I'm

795
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 9: the one who will be out there supporting the Cowboys

796
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 9: and thinking this is the year when it's not. But

797
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 9: we first stop, I'm not quit restricting me. But my

798
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 9: fear is fast forward. We get to the scenario where

799
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 9: it doesn't happen, but we see things that were good.

800
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 9: We see things that were successful in the defense, and

801
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 9: then we get that, well it was first year, next year,

802
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 9: it should be now this. But then you also got

803
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 9: to add the element that that might be or this

804
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 9: might be the end, that my McCarthy's last year and

805
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 9: all that. But it's just it's it's such a high

806
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 9: stake right now and such a big gamble and it's

807
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 9: a big, big decision. And again we talked about, you know,

808
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 9: I think it's been you, Derek bringing up this whole

809
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 9: thing of like the standard for the Star and like

810
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 9: where the pressure of players receiving this pressure, this amount

811
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 9: of pressure, and I think it also applies to coaches

812
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 9: as well. And whoever comes in, there's such a big

813
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 9: pressure right off the bat that I wonder how quickly

814
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 9: can someone even experienced or not experienced or not as experienced,

815
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 9: can they well apply everything or make those changes. I

816
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 9: don't know.

817
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: Here's the fact.

818
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 4: The fact is we saw Mike Nolan come in and

819
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: it completely went downhill in one year. We saw Dan

820
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: come in and he completely elevated it in one year.

821
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, it can go either way.

822
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: And by the way, both of them were experienced and

823
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: successfully experienced defensive coordinators in the NFL, and so there

824
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: is no real guarantee with any of them.

825
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: I personally, again.

826
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 4: If I'm looking at this list, I look at this

827
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 4: list and I say, the safest pick, and in my opinion,

828
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: the best pic is Mike zimmer because I think he

829
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: has all those things we just talked about, the accountability

830
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: of the toughness. He can be aggressive, He understands the organization,

831
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: he understands the weight of the star.

832
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: He's lived it. He lived it for a long time.

833
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, so was here first.

834
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: Time years.

835
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was through multiple head coaches for multiplayer coaches

836
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: switch he started with he was a secondary coach at

837
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 4: one point, and then he got to that long yeah. Yeah,

838
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: and uh and so he just he gets this building

839
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 4: and this is a unique this is a unique building,

840
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 4: a unique franchise.

841
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: He gets all that.

842
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 4: And so I think when you look at just everything involved,

843
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: I think the safest and the best pick in my

844
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 4: mind for what I know of it, there would be

845
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 4: a Mike Zimma.

846
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 9: And we'll find out tomorrow, right well, or should.

847
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 4: Be honestly, I will be I will actually be shocked

848
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: if that happens tomorrow. I I if I was putting

849
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 4: money on it, which we don't bet. We can't bet,

850
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: just for the record, we can't bet on anything sports related.

851
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: Anyway.

852
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 4: If I were a betting man and I was putting

853
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 4: money on it, I would actually bet that this decision

854
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: doesn't come until next week, just because it feels like

855
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: the Cowboys are doing their due diligence, which I like,

856
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 4: and and that may require them to take a little

857
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 4: more time. They may have a decision already, like they've

858
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: they've talked to a lot of guys. They may already

859
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: know who they want, and so that may make them

860
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 4: say we're ready to make a decision. What we know

861
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 4: is that they're not going to make the decision Saturday

862
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: before Super Bowl. So we might find out something tomorrow,

863
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 4: we might find out something next week. But at the

864
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: end of the day, I just I hope that they're

865
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 4: taking their time and then really thinking through everything. And

866
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: like I said before, whoever they hire, they better have

867
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: a hell of a plan for Michael Parsons, a great

868
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: plan for Mike.

869
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: That's where it all starts and ends.

870
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 5: From me.

871
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 7: I'm more comfortable putting Micah in the hands of Mike

872
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 7: Zimmer knowing this is a guy who coached the Marcus

873
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 7: Ware for example, and you look at the what Mike

874
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 7: Zimmer would be inheriting, which would be whoever comes in,

875
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 7: they're going to inherit this. Michael Parsons, Trevon Diggs, Deron Bland,

876
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Speaker 7: Cornerstone guys, de Marcus Lawrence, bring him back because he's headed.

877
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Speaker 2: A lot of talent on this.

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Speaker 5: There's so much talent.

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Speaker 7: I just feel like when you look at it from

880
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Speaker 7: how Mike Zimmer has run defenses and been successful, I

881
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 7: just think that it would be more of an immediate

882
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Speaker 7: impact as far as versus waiting for someone to get

883
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Speaker 7: their bearings who've been out of the league for a

884
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Speaker 7: while and still trying to figure some things out.

885
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Speaker 5: And again I say, he knows how to navigate the NFC.

886
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Speaker 7: Yes, there's been some changes, but some of these coaches

887
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Speaker 7: are still the same, and ultimately, whichever coach can beat

888
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Speaker 7: the forty nine ers is the one I want.

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Speaker 4: All Right, So here's what we're gonna do. We're not

890
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Speaker 4: gonna get to Dak Prescott. But what we are gonna

891
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Speaker 4: do you get back. When we get back, You're going

892
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Speaker 4: to pick the super Bowl. We're gonna talk about Super

893
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Speaker 4: Bowl a little bit and then next week what we're

894
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Speaker 4: gonna do is we're gonna talk about.

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Speaker 9: Can't you ever keep up with promises or things that

896
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Speaker 9: you say?

897
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Speaker 5: Like you never like you knew she was coming back?

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Speaker 9: Why can't you ever stand what you say?

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Speaker 5: Episode?

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Speaker 9: I'm just saying, you want to talk about player pay,

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Speaker 9: You want to talk about players being held accountable. Hold

902
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Speaker 9: yourself accountable, Derek. Okay, you cannot preach and not do

903
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Speaker 9: at the same time. Okay, you gotta do it by

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Speaker 2: Well, next time I'll just cut y'all off and won't

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Speaker 2: let you talk as much. How about that.

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Speaker 4: Welcome Back. Final segment of the break we are live from.

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Speaker 4: That's WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, it's time to

960
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Speaker 4: pick the Super Bowl. I actually want to take this

961
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Speaker 4: from two different standpoints. I want you first to tell

962
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: me who you want to win, and then tell me

963
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Speaker 4: who you think is going to win, because those things.

964
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Speaker 2: Don't have to be the same.

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Speaker 4: Let's start with you, Patrick, Kansas City versus San Francisco

966
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Speaker 4: and the Super Bowl.

967
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 2: Who do you want to win? Who do you think wins?

968
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 7: I want nothing good for San Francisco, so I want

969
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 7: the Kansas City Chiefs to win. I want Patrick Mahomes

970
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 7: to go out there and do to San Francisco what

971
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 7: he was able to do to the Eagles. Just kill

972
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 7: all my enemies. Thank you, mister Mahomes. Who I think

973
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 7: will win is I also think it will be Patrick Mahomes.

974
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 5: I think that.

975
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 7: You know, while brock Party has come on strong over

976
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 7: these past couple of games kind of leveled up a bit,

977
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes has as well. And the key thing for

978
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 7: the Chiefs is that the receivers are not dropping passes.

979
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: Rice is playing well, right, Rice.

980
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 7: Is playing well, but even Valdez scantling, He's coming up

981
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 7: with big catches. Now and that was really the crux

982
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 7: of what was wrong with the Kansas City Chiefs over

983
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 7: most of the year was that they led the league

984
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Speaker 7: in drops and that's why they lost to the Philadelphia

985
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 7: Eagles in Kansas City because of the drop by Valdas Scantland.

986
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Speaker 7: So now that his receivers Patrick Mahomes's receivers are catching

987
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 7: the ball, I think Mahomes is going to Mahomes. Andy

988
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 7: Reid is in his bag and quite as it's kept.

989
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 7: Because they don't get talked about enough, Kansas City Chiefs

990
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 7: defense is one of the best.

991
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 5: In the league.

992
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 9: Absolutely one percent. I agree with everything you said. I

993
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 9: feel the same exact way I think.

994
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: One.

995
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 9: I do want the Chiefs to win, and then too,

996
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 9: I think they will win. I think with the San

997
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 9: Francisco forty nine ers, we've seen moments of they've they've

998
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 9: been very successful, but they've had moments of weakness where

999
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 9: you can attack them. And I think the Chiefs just

1000
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 9: have way more experience in this setting, in this environment

1001
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 9: and right now, everything y'all know, miss vibe, all the

1002
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 9: things that I've seen on social though, the vibe is

1003
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 9: just the Chiefs just have the vibe for it and

1004
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 9: every time I see it, forty nine Ers players pop

1005
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 9: up on screen. They just annoy me. So yeah, I

1006
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 9: think the Chiefs have everything too. It's gonna be a

1007
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 9: really really good game, and I think it's gonna be

1008
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 9: a close one. But I do believe the Chiefs get

1009
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 9: the win.

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00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 5: Let me have this really quickly, Derek.

1011
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 7: To Ambar's point, the forty nine Ers barely escape with

1012
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 7: their lives against the Green Bay Packers. The Detroit Lions

1013
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 7: had them did to rights before choking that game away. Contrarily,

1014
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 7: Kansas City Chiefs walked into Baltimore against the number one

1015
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 7: see against the front runner for MVP and clamped.

1016
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 5: I take the Chiefs in this one.

1017
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I also want the Chiefs to win. I think

1018
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 4: they will not win. I think here's the interesting part

1019
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 4: and what I'm keeping an eye on is Joe Thuny, the.

1020
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: Guard for the Chiefs.

1021
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 4: The one thing that I seen that one antidote to

1022
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes and what he does and what he's done

1023
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 4: in Super Bowls, but specifically is if you can get

1024
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 4: a pass rush on him and make it to where

1025
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 4: he is uncomfortable and get to him. Because, by the way,

1026
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 4: just having a pass rush doesn't matter. Sometimes he still

1027
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 4: knows how to get out of it and get it.

1028
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 4: But when you can get to him and you can

1029
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 4: affect the passing game by getting to him, that's when

1030
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: they haven't had success in the Super Bowl. And I

1031
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: look at that Joe Thuny injury as that kind of

1032
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: serious moment because I don't know much about their backup.

1033
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 4: My question I thought would be he ain't as good

1034
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 4: as Thuny, and so if that's If that's the case,

1035
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 4: then you're now gonna have pressure that can come. And

1036
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 4: we know San Francisco's front can get after you. They

1037
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 4: absolutely can get after you. They can bring those linebackers

1038
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 4: as well up the middle. There's lots of ways that

1039
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: they can create pressure on him, and without his starting guard,

1040
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 4: I think that can be a problem for them. I

1041
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 4: just I kind of have a feeling that ultimately, when

1042
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 4: it comes down to it, the difference in this game

1043
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: will be San Francisco's defense. I think they will make

1044
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 4: the plays and they will ultimately be the reason why

1045
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 4: San Francisco gets to win.

1046
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 2: I don't want that to happen, but that's.

1047
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 5: What I think.

1048
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 7: You don't feel that if there's any coach in the

1049
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 7: league that could scheme around an injury.

1050
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 5: It's Andy Reid.

1051
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: That's nice.

1052
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: But what I saw in the Super Bowl that Patrick

1053
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 4: Mahomes lost a few years ago. They got after and

1054
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: he just couldn't figure out how to get the ball

1055
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 4: out before he was under pressure, under duress and getting hit.

1056
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 4: So I've seen this, I've seen this movie before. I

1057
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 4: know how it ends. And so again I'm not saying

1058
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 4: that that they can necessarily do it, but I think

1059
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 4: if you don't, if you're without one of your pieces,

1060
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 4: that's a start to them being able to do that.

1061
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 4: And let's not forget they do have one of the best,

1062
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,479
Speaker 4: if not the best front four in the league.

1063
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 7: Agreed, but that same front four was basically mauled in

1064
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 7: the first half against the Lions on the ground.

1065
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 5: So this is how you counterbalance that.

1066
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 7: You try to neutralize some of the pass rush early,

1067
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 7: you get Isaiah Pachecko, that run game involved, and the

1068
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 7: Lions have shown you what gaps to hit, how this

1069
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 7: scheme and how the pin and pull and do what

1070
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 7: you need to do against the forty nine ers and

1071
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 7: get off and get huge runs and take the pass

1072
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 7: rush out of the game, and then that should free

1073
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 7: Patrick Maholmes.

1074
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 4: Up to do what he dis That's nice, but they're

1075
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 4: gonna win based on Patrick Mahomes's arm, not on as

1076
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 4: I'm saying, as so far as helping the neutral life.

1077
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, but I think at the

1078
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 4: end of the day, they're gonna be like, all right,

1079
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 4: but checko, get your four or five. You ain't gonna

1080
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 4: take it to the house. Get your four or five.

1081
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: We'll do that. We'll okay with that. But but at

1082
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 2: the end of the day, what.

1083
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 4: We're not going to do is we're not gonna let

1084
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 4: the quarterback sit back there and just dissect us. And

1085
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: so that's the part where if they can make that

1086
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: work again, that.

1087
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: Is a tough house because Mahomes is a he is

1088
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: the truth.

1089
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 4: Obviously, he's the best quarterback in the NFL approaching getting

1090
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 4: in that conversation, among the best in the league district.

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Speaker 4: But that being said, like I've seen this particular situation

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Speaker 4: when they could.

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Speaker 9: Have seen this season.

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Speaker 2: No, no, well, this season they had issues with the receiver.

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Speaker 4: But but I'm saying in Super Bowls, I've seen situations

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Speaker 4: where they couldn't protect them and that was ultimately the

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Speaker 4: reason why they didn't win, and I think this is

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Speaker 4: the kind of team that can present some of those

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Speaker 4: similar kind of challenges, especially if he's one man down

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Speaker 4: on this offensive.

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Speaker 7: I think because the Chiefs have proven that they can

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Speaker 7: run the ball, and you look at the conference championship

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Speaker 7: game wherein the line shows that they that the forty

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Speaker 7: nine ers can be run against, I think there's a

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Speaker 7: good opportunity there to neutralize the pass rush.

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Speaker 2: But that was a naboration though, right, Like have they

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Speaker 2: been like that all season?

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Speaker 5: Not all seasons? True, but if you allow it once,

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Speaker 5: then you will know.

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Speaker 4: I think I think sometimes there plus person out like

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Speaker 4: we always talk, yes, but I do think sometimes that's

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Speaker 4: a that's a function also of what was the game

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Speaker 4: plan going in, And maybe the game plan was we're

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Speaker 4: going to accept these things because we figure this is

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Speaker 4: better than the alternative, right, And I'm not saying that's

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Speaker 4: what I'm just. All I'm saying is I don't know that.

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Speaker 4: I I don't look at the San Francisco fortnight and

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Speaker 4: say they're weak against the run.

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Speaker 2: They are not weak against the run. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: they are a good run deep.

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Speaker 7: I'm saying they just recently showed sure, that they can

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Speaker 7: be on any given day, and all that needs to

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Speaker 7: be is this given day. I also say, if that

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Speaker 7: pass Rusk gets neutralized and or doesn't get to Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 7: Fred Warner's coverage, notwithstanding that secondary is lunch against Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 7: If the Chiefs receivers continue to not drop the ball,

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Speaker 7: that's the big thing.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think you can make an argument because you

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Speaker 4: don't get to this point in the season without having

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Speaker 4: a lot of good things that you can do. I

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Speaker 4: just think that as I look at it, the thing

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Speaker 4: that really would merge me most, especially because I want

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Speaker 4: Kansas City to win, is the fact that if they

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Speaker 4: if they're shorthanded on the offensive line, I think that

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Speaker 4: can make a huge difference. And as we all know,

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Speaker 4: with a lot of quarterbacks, the tackle is not the

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Speaker 4: guy that they really worry more about.

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Speaker 5: It's that guard interior.

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Speaker 4: Because when you start getting that pressure up the middle,

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Speaker 4: and we know they got some beast San Francisco got

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Speaker 4: some beasts in the middle of their defense. You start

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Speaker 4: getting those guys getting through and getting into my homes

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Speaker 4: face and in his lap.

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Speaker 2: That can change a game.

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Speaker 4: That can change the game game significantly. So that's the

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Speaker 4: part that worries me. Let's hope that that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 4: But that's the part that one of the rare.

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Speaker 7: Times I went against Mahomes was in that AFC Championship

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Speaker 7: against the Ravens.

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Speaker 5: That just happened. Yeah, I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 2: I said, I said in that game.

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Speaker 4: I was like, until somebody shows me they can stop

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Speaker 4: this guy from going to a super Bowl, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: stick with him because he said he tends to figure

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Speaker 4: out how to get to the super Bowl most of

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Speaker 4: the time.

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Speaker 5: Patrick will see, I believe in you. All right, business, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, guys, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 8: Guys.

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Speaker 2: We're back next week.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about the super Bowl a little bit and

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Speaker 4: maybe next week we'll get into some DAK talk. We'll

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Speaker 4: see if these guys don't talk so much.

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Speaker 2: NFL honors happens tomorrow night. We got several guys who

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Speaker 2: are who are up.

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Speaker 5: For award around his war.

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Speaker 2: The one that I care about the most, the absolute

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Speaker 2: most Hall of Fame announcements. Praying our guy Darren Woodson

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Speaker 2: gets in. We'll see how him. We we'll see how

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Speaker 2: that goes. He deserves to be there.

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Speaker 4: Uh, but we'll see how that goes Mike, that's exactly right. Guess,

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Speaker 4: great stories on that too, if he gets in and

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Speaker 4: we'll bring them on, maybe we'll.

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Speaker 2: Talk about some of that. All right, We'll be back

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Speaker 2: next week. Till then for Patrickwalker and Garcia.

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Speaker 9: This is all show right to the end too.

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Speaker 2: We'll we'll see you guys next week.

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