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Speaker 1: Originals.

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Speaker 2: This is an iHeart original content warning. This episode discusses

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Speaker 2: cyberbullying and suicide. In our last episode of Made Accounts,

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Speaker 2: we spoke with Tina Meyer, mother of Megan Meyer and

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Speaker 2: the founder of the Megan Meyer Foundation. It was an

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Speaker 2: incredibly moving episode and we had a great deal of

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Speaker 2: interest in hearing more from Tina, so here's a bonus

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Speaker 2: episode the full interview with Tina Meyer.

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Speaker 1: Megan was from the moment she was born, the kid

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Speaker 1: that just moved NonStop and was always curious about things,

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Speaker 1: wanted to know about things. She loved pleasing people. She

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Speaker 1: liked doing things for people, making them happy, you know,

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Speaker 1: when Megan, you know, some of the things when Megan

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Speaker 1: was growing up, she really struggle with the way she

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Speaker 1: looked compared to other girls, So her self esteem, really

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Speaker 1: she struggled quite a bit with that. She always compared

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Speaker 1: herself that the other girls were thinner, or if the

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Speaker 1: other girls that she thought were prettier. And you know,

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Speaker 1: no matter how many times I would say, honey, you're

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Speaker 1: beautiful the way you are, we're all different. Megan, you know,

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Speaker 1: she struggled with that, and so she would always then

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Speaker 1: try to really kind of show so much friendship to people.

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Speaker 1: I think it's almost like she wanted them to those

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Speaker 1: those popular kids, to really just be friends with her.

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Speaker 1: But in between, she would have these parts of her

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Speaker 1: when she would just finally relax and be okay with

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Speaker 1: who she was. She had this amazing sense of humor.

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Speaker 1: She could make me laugh till my tears rolling down

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Speaker 1: my face. It didn't matter if I was in the store,

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Speaker 1: if I was driving, where I was at. She was

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Speaker 1: so funny. And you know, she loved scary movies. She

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Speaker 1: loved music, all kinds of music. She liked all American rechecks.

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Speaker 1: She loved bow Wow, she loved Beyonce, She loved so

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Speaker 1: many different artists back in the day. Hip hop was

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Speaker 1: definitely one of her biggest things she loved. She had

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Speaker 1: a kind of a mixture of where she was very

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Speaker 1: girly girly, but then she also could take a worm

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Speaker 1: something like that. She had this mixture. But she liked

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Speaker 1: lipgloss and eyeliner and straightening her hair, and she was

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Speaker 1: just this really cool, great kid. I mean, on top

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Speaker 1: of everything else, she was great. Her laughter to me

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Speaker 2: Do you remember what age she started worrying about her looks?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that transition? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kindergarten was when Megan noticed the other girls Megan was.

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Speaker 1: She looked like she was in second grade. You know,

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Speaker 1: she was taller, not overweight, but she was not tiny

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Speaker 1: these girls she noticed sitting next to her, their legs

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Speaker 1: skinnier than me, and and was really focusing on that

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Speaker 1: so we talked more about being happy with who you

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Speaker 1: And it was really hard seeing her struggle through that.

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Speaker 2: I imagine if it started that young, it would have

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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, it only intensified the older making. God, you know,

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Speaker 1: when kids are in first grade, second grade and third grade,

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Speaker 1: And she struggled quite a bit. I tried getting her

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Speaker 1: But Megan was diagnosed in third grade with attention deficit

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when she started using the computer? Was

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Speaker 2: that was there an age when you got a computer

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Speaker 2: or how did that transition happen?

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Speaker 1: So with computers, I was a realistic agent so I

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Speaker 1: and you know, the girls would play some games or

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Speaker 1: different things on there. But really when Megan started with

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Speaker 1: wanting to have a MySpace account was when she was

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Speaker 1: so and I also watched the news. I watched twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty and how to Catch a Predator, So you know,

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Speaker 1: my fear was sexual predators on top of the fact

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Speaker 1: was worried that they could somebody could say something nice

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Speaker 2: I have to imagine that must have been a little

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Speaker 2: bit confusing because my Space was still new, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you understood there wouldn't have been chaperones or teachers

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Speaker 2: necessarily that were monitoring these groups. What did you understand

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Speaker 1: So the first time I found out, actually prior to

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Speaker 1: created a fake MySpace account with a different person's picture

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Speaker 1: it was her and her friend Sarah, had created this account.

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Speaker 1: They found a picture of a really pretty girl because

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Speaker 1: that you finally told them that this is really you,

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Speaker 1: I did talk to both of the parents and said,

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Speaker 1: is you know we monitor everything. Are you okay if

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Speaker 1: And I did get that okay, And so I told her,

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Speaker 1: If I didn't, Megan would find a way. Believe me,

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Speaker 1: she would have found a way. And so I had

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Speaker 1: protect her, and so they did. They did talk after that.

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Speaker 1: That was the very first in action. And then when

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Speaker 1: have that MySpace again starting eighth grade, I instantly was like, no,

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Speaker 1: no way, no, you cannot have this, and she baked me,

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Speaker 1: and she wanted back. Then it was MySpace and ale

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Speaker 1: an instant messenger. Those were the two big things. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, Megan, you're not even old enough, like

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Speaker 1: baked me every single day. And I started looking into

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Speaker 1: what could I do? How could I allow her to

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Speaker 1: the same time. And I came up with some rules,

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Speaker 1: and you know they would not work in today's world,

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Speaker 1: but the rules were. I said, Megan, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I will let you have the MySpace, but I have

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Speaker 1: your account. The computers have to be in open spaces,

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Speaker 1: never allowed in. The laptop could not go into her bedroom.

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Speaker 1: I had to prove anything that went on her page.

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Speaker 1: And I also had to make sure that it had

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Speaker 1: So I told her about all these rules. I didn't

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Speaker 1: I can tell you. She told me that I was

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Speaker 1: And you know, I said, I get it. I do.

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Speaker 1: It's I'm not worried about you. I'm worried about other people.

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Speaker 1: And if we can agree on this, I will let

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Speaker 1: you create this account. You can add your friends and

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Speaker 1: it'll be fine. And that's really what we did.

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Speaker 2: I could get a sense of her sense of humor

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Speaker 1: Oh she was. She was something. She definitely did not

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Speaker 1: hold back. She definitely would tell me what she thought,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it was humor or laughing at

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Speaker 2: So she started talking to these two boys, and you

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Speaker 2: did you allow her to make friends more without getting

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Speaker 2: their parents' phone numbers, or what happened next.

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Speaker 1: So when she created this new MySpace account, I sat there.

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Speaker 1: I was just fascinated, really how quickly they could build

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Speaker 1: these profiles with their you know, surveys and questionnaires and

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Speaker 1: instantly how to do these things. And you know, once

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Speaker 1: And again, because I monitored it, I had to sign

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Speaker 1: request that came in. I would you know, she would say, hey, Moms,

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Speaker 1: and add them. Well, the one day it was a

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Speaker 1: dad came upstairs. I tried finding the phone. The weird

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00:27:42,362 --> 00:27:45,082
Speaker 1: part of it was is that as I was trying

429
00:27:45,082 --> 00:27:47,842
Speaker 1: to dial at her home phone to nine one one,

430
00:27:47,882 --> 00:27:50,722
Speaker 1: my younger daughter Allison was calling to see if dinner

431
00:27:50,802 --> 00:27:53,522
Speaker 1: was ready to come home because she was across the

432
00:27:53,562 --> 00:27:57,482
Speaker 1: street and I was frantically screaming to hang up the phone,

433
00:27:57,562 --> 00:28:00,002
Speaker 1: hang up the phone, and I had to run around

434
00:28:00,082 --> 00:28:04,202
Speaker 1: and find my cell phone a call, and as I

435
00:28:04,242 --> 00:28:08,122
Speaker 1: was dialing and calling nine one one on, Megan's dad

436
00:28:08,202 --> 00:28:11,682
Speaker 1: was giving her CPR and Alison ran home in the

437
00:28:11,682 --> 00:28:15,442
Speaker 1: midst of all of it, and we screened at her

438
00:28:15,482 --> 00:28:20,802
Speaker 1: to go get our neighbors. The Megan was not breathing.

439
00:28:20,962 --> 00:28:27,042
Speaker 1: The paramedics arrived, They got Megan's heart started and got

440
00:28:27,042 --> 00:28:32,082
Speaker 1: her to start breathing with assistance, and there was a

441
00:28:32,242 --> 00:28:37,322
Speaker 1: small glimmer of hope of maybe maybe she's going to

442
00:28:37,362 --> 00:28:37,922
Speaker 1: make it through.

443
00:28:39,002 --> 00:28:44,242
Speaker 2: I'm terribly sorry about your loss. That's just devastating, and

444
00:28:45,562 --> 00:28:50,682
Speaker 2: I appreciate all of these memories that you shared with

445
00:28:50,762 --> 00:28:54,282
Speaker 2: us to bring her to life and let us remember

446
00:28:54,322 --> 00:28:58,202
Speaker 2: what she was like. I wondered, you know what, what

447
00:28:58,282 --> 00:29:03,322
Speaker 2: were those first few days, few weeks without Megan, Like.

448
00:29:03,842 --> 00:29:11,522
Speaker 1: You know, there was when Megan first was taken to

449
00:29:11,562 --> 00:29:16,402
Speaker 1: the hospital, she was transferred. They could not airlift her

450
00:29:16,962 --> 00:29:21,002
Speaker 1: because of the weather, and she was transported by a

451
00:29:21,082 --> 00:29:25,122
Speaker 1: pediatric team to Children's Hospital. But she lived for twenty

452
00:29:25,122 --> 00:29:32,282
Speaker 1: four hours and it got to the point where nothing

453
00:29:32,402 --> 00:29:35,122
Speaker 1: was working. They felt that there was a couple of

454
00:29:35,202 --> 00:29:41,042
Speaker 1: ups and downs where they thought maybe, but her blood pressure, everything,

455
00:29:41,122 --> 00:29:44,642
Speaker 1: nothing they did was working. And the final piece was

456
00:29:45,602 --> 00:29:48,402
Speaker 1: do you want to put her on life support? And

457
00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:51,442
Speaker 1: her dad and I both agreed that I didn't want

458
00:29:51,482 --> 00:29:54,682
Speaker 1: her living like that. Megan was too full of life

459
00:29:54,682 --> 00:29:58,082
Speaker 1: that I couldn't do that to her. And you know,

460
00:29:59,442 --> 00:30:06,202
Speaker 1: leaving the hospital with her there was it felt like

461
00:30:06,402 --> 00:30:10,962
Speaker 1: it wasn't like this was not happening. We donated our

462
00:30:11,002 --> 00:30:15,962
Speaker 1: heart valves, but going home, I couldn't go back to

463
00:30:16,002 --> 00:30:19,082
Speaker 1: our house. We went and stayed at my mom's house.

464
00:30:20,122 --> 00:30:24,082
Speaker 1: And I think it was trying to figure out, like

465
00:30:24,242 --> 00:30:27,322
Speaker 1: how how does this say happen? I mean, I don't

466
00:30:27,362 --> 00:30:30,842
Speaker 1: know how to live without her. I mean, my kids

467
00:30:30,842 --> 00:30:36,122
Speaker 1: are my entire life, and she was such an amazing

468
00:30:36,322 --> 00:30:41,082
Speaker 1: kid that I didn't I didn't want to live. I

469
00:30:41,122 --> 00:30:45,202
Speaker 1: didn't want to be alive anymore. I begged every night

470
00:30:45,282 --> 00:30:48,882
Speaker 1: to please take me. Even though I had another daughter

471
00:30:49,522 --> 00:30:52,322
Speaker 1: that I loved with everything, it was so much pain

472
00:30:53,202 --> 00:30:55,202
Speaker 1: to try to figure out how to breathe or how

473
00:30:55,242 --> 00:31:00,562
Speaker 1: to function without her. It's still to this day, you know,

474
00:31:03,402 --> 00:31:06,722
Speaker 1: There's days that it feels like was she even real?

475
00:31:07,362 --> 00:31:10,762
Speaker 1: You know, if I see her on TV, or you know,

476
00:31:10,922 --> 00:31:14,242
Speaker 1: somewhere out of the country has her in educational books

477
00:31:14,322 --> 00:31:17,202
Speaker 1: or somebody tells me something, it's kind of like, how

478
00:31:17,362 --> 00:31:21,082
Speaker 1: was she real? And then other days it could feel

479
00:31:21,122 --> 00:31:26,402
Speaker 1: like it just happened. And you know, I think a

480
00:31:26,402 --> 00:31:29,122
Speaker 1: lot of the weeks after it was trying to figure

481
00:31:29,122 --> 00:31:33,522
Speaker 1: out like, who was this Josh Evans, Like what happened?

482
00:31:33,602 --> 00:31:38,202
Speaker 1: Was it a scared kid that because Josh Evans account

483
00:31:38,242 --> 00:31:42,642
Speaker 1: deleted the night that Megan took her own life, it

484
00:31:42,762 --> 00:31:46,482
Speaker 1: started peeling away in pieces, So when you closed the account,

485
00:31:46,562 --> 00:31:50,962
Speaker 1: it didn't just poof gone, It started peeling away layers.

486
00:31:51,522 --> 00:31:56,882
Speaker 1: And I couldn't figure out, like what happened? I was like,

487
00:31:57,042 --> 00:32:00,002
Speaker 1: is it a kid that was scared? Or was it

488
00:32:00,042 --> 00:32:06,482
Speaker 1: an adult? And now that the Josh Evans photo was gone,

489
00:32:07,562 --> 00:32:14,522
Speaker 1: I sat there for hours throughout the night, throughout the day, searching, searching,

490
00:32:14,722 --> 00:32:18,482
Speaker 1: searching for like who was this person? Where did they go?

491
00:32:18,602 --> 00:32:26,042
Speaker 1: What happened? And no matter what I did, I couldn't

492
00:32:26,082 --> 00:32:31,602
Speaker 1: find anything, like it just all disappeared. And it was

493
00:32:32,682 --> 00:32:39,002
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weekend and we had started going to a Greek

494
00:32:39,042 --> 00:32:41,362
Speaker 1: support group where I went, and I was trying to

495
00:32:41,362 --> 00:32:44,042
Speaker 1: get my husband to go for other parents who had

496
00:32:44,042 --> 00:32:47,722
Speaker 1: lost children's suicide, and I was going to go to

497
00:32:47,762 --> 00:32:50,962
Speaker 1: one that weekend, and we got a call from a

498
00:32:51,002 --> 00:32:55,562
Speaker 1: neighbor that I didn't know very well, saying that she

499
00:32:55,842 --> 00:32:58,842
Speaker 1: asked if Ron and I would come to a meeting

500
00:32:59,562 --> 00:33:03,162
Speaker 1: that day to a counselor's office, that she had to

501
00:33:03,202 --> 00:33:07,722
Speaker 1: talk to me about Megan's death. And I was kind

502
00:33:07,762 --> 00:33:12,402
Speaker 1: of like taken back and almost a little bit frustrated, thinking,

503
00:33:13,562 --> 00:33:17,162
Speaker 1: I really don't know you. You're calling me on this weekend.

504
00:33:17,562 --> 00:33:19,722
Speaker 1: I'm going to a grief support group. I don't know

505
00:33:19,722 --> 00:33:21,882
Speaker 1: what to tell you. I don't want to sit there

506
00:33:21,922 --> 00:33:26,522
Speaker 1: and listen to you asking questions about Megan's death, because no,

507
00:33:26,602 --> 00:33:30,882
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm going to this meeting. And I remember

508
00:33:30,922 --> 00:33:34,882
Speaker 1: telling Ron about it Megan's dad and he didn't know.

509
00:33:34,922 --> 00:33:39,042
Speaker 1: And then we got another call, and this call was

510
00:33:39,122 --> 00:33:41,962
Speaker 1: from a man that lived in our subdivision who was

511
00:33:42,002 --> 00:33:45,002
Speaker 1: a counselor who did talk to Ron and I during

512
00:33:45,082 --> 00:33:49,602
Speaker 1: these times, and said, I know that this woman, Michelle

513
00:33:49,642 --> 00:33:54,762
Speaker 1: Mulford called and you decline to go, but Tina, it

514
00:33:54,842 --> 00:33:58,762
Speaker 1: is really important for you guys to attend this meeting.

515
00:34:00,202 --> 00:34:03,162
Speaker 1: Do you have any other you know, your parents, anybody

516
00:34:03,202 --> 00:34:08,362
Speaker 1: that can be there to support you guys. I'm like, okay,

517
00:34:08,562 --> 00:34:11,802
Speaker 1: you know, I was frustrated because I was desperately searching

518
00:34:11,882 --> 00:34:15,162
Speaker 1: for support and I wanted this grief support group to

519
00:34:15,202 --> 00:34:18,322
Speaker 1: give me a moment of being able to breathe without

520
00:34:18,402 --> 00:34:25,922
Speaker 1: wanting to die. And we called Ron's mom, I called

521
00:34:25,922 --> 00:34:31,002
Speaker 1: my aunt, I called some other people, and we went

522
00:34:31,042 --> 00:34:34,202
Speaker 1: to this meeting in o'fallen, Missouri. And we walked in

523
00:34:35,562 --> 00:34:38,202
Speaker 1: and it was an accounselor's office, and when they all

524
00:34:38,242 --> 00:34:41,762
Speaker 1: had chairs in a circle, and it was the mom,

525
00:34:42,362 --> 00:34:45,882
Speaker 1: Michelle Malford. It was another woman who was a counselor.

526
00:34:46,522 --> 00:34:50,842
Speaker 1: It was Jim who was the counselor in our subdivision.

527
00:34:51,562 --> 00:34:56,482
Speaker 1: It was Tina Laraghan, who was a school counselor where

528
00:34:56,522 --> 00:35:01,362
Speaker 1: Megan went to school before. And I walked in and

529
00:35:02,042 --> 00:35:03,522
Speaker 1: I said, so you're going to tell me that the

530
00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:06,002
Speaker 1: Josh Evans account was fake? Is that what you're going

531
00:35:06,082 --> 00:35:10,362
Speaker 1: to tell me? And Michelle Malford shook her head and

532
00:35:10,402 --> 00:35:18,242
Speaker 1: said yes. And then they told me that Michelle Malford

533
00:35:18,242 --> 00:35:21,722
Speaker 1: lived across the street from LORI Drew and in our

534
00:35:21,842 --> 00:35:28,562
Speaker 1: subdivision and said that Lori Drew, her daughter, Sarah and

535
00:35:28,842 --> 00:35:32,922
Speaker 1: Ashley Girls, an eighteen year old, created this fake MySpace

536
00:35:32,962 --> 00:35:38,682
Speaker 1: account as a hoax to be able to trick Megan.

537
00:35:39,922 --> 00:35:44,002
Speaker 1: The reason was because Megan and her daughter Sarah their

538
00:35:44,042 --> 00:35:49,082
Speaker 1: friendship dissolved when Megan switched to different schools. They heard

539
00:35:49,162 --> 00:35:54,122
Speaker 1: that Megan had called her daughter a lesbian. Megan was

540
00:35:54,202 --> 00:35:57,522
Speaker 1: not perfect. I don't know if Megan did or didn't.

541
00:35:57,682 --> 00:36:00,562
Speaker 1: If I would have known, I would have said, come on,

542
00:36:00,642 --> 00:36:03,762
Speaker 1: you know how it feels for people to call you names,

543
00:36:03,882 --> 00:36:06,682
Speaker 1: or to be mean and hurtful. You don't have to

544
00:36:06,722 --> 00:36:10,442
Speaker 1: be friends with people, but just don't be mean. But

545
00:36:10,882 --> 00:36:15,162
Speaker 1: I never had that opportunity to talk to her. Michelle

546
00:36:15,242 --> 00:36:18,762
Speaker 1: Malford found out the night that Megan took her own

547
00:36:18,802 --> 00:36:24,002
Speaker 1: life because her daughter was friends with Sarah and would

548
00:36:24,082 --> 00:36:30,042
Speaker 1: go to religion classes together and soccer practice together, and

549
00:36:30,202 --> 00:36:34,362
Speaker 1: Laurie Drew and the daughter told her about the fake

550
00:36:34,402 --> 00:36:38,962
Speaker 1: account and how funny it was. So the night these

551
00:36:39,122 --> 00:36:42,682
Speaker 1: things get really kind of confusing. But the night that

552
00:36:42,762 --> 00:36:47,362
Speaker 1: the ambulance arrived and Megan took her own life, Laurie Drew,

553
00:36:47,402 --> 00:36:52,002
Speaker 1: the mom called across the street and asked Michelle Mulford

554
00:36:52,042 --> 00:36:55,522
Speaker 1: to talk to her daughter and told the daughter to

555
00:36:57,922 --> 00:37:01,482
Speaker 1: delete that account, to keep her mouth shut, not say

556
00:37:01,522 --> 00:37:09,042
Speaker 1: a word, and the daughter started crumbling Over the next

557
00:37:09,122 --> 00:37:13,922
Speaker 1: day found out what had happened, and from that point on,

558
00:37:15,082 --> 00:37:20,002
Speaker 1: the mom kept pressuring Laurie Drew to please come forward

559
00:37:20,082 --> 00:37:24,282
Speaker 1: and talk to us. She contacted a church, she contacted

560
00:37:24,282 --> 00:37:28,882
Speaker 1: the police department, contacted the prosecuting contacted anybody and everybody

561
00:37:28,882 --> 00:37:32,242
Speaker 1: had said, this family needs to know what happened, and

562
00:37:32,322 --> 00:37:36,602
Speaker 1: this was her final solution to try to do something

563
00:37:36,642 --> 00:37:43,562
Speaker 1: so that we knew. And when we found out, I

564
00:37:43,562 --> 00:37:48,282
Speaker 1: think other people now there was calls made to our

565
00:37:48,322 --> 00:37:52,482
Speaker 1: other family, and I think they were worried that Ron

566
00:37:52,642 --> 00:37:55,522
Speaker 1: was going to go down and kill them because these

567
00:37:55,882 --> 00:37:59,802
Speaker 1: this family lived four uses down the street. I think

568
00:37:59,882 --> 00:38:05,882
Speaker 1: Ron was more in shock, where I was so angry.

569
00:38:06,042 --> 00:38:08,922
Speaker 1: All I thought about doing was going and ripping them apart.

570
00:38:09,082 --> 00:38:12,082
Speaker 1: That's all I wanted to do. And when we drove

571
00:38:12,202 --> 00:38:16,482
Speaker 1: back home, we had family and neighbors kind of blocking

572
00:38:17,762 --> 00:38:20,002
Speaker 1: the street so that we could not go down to

573
00:38:20,082 --> 00:38:23,402
Speaker 1: the Drew's house. Lord Drew's house, and we pulled in

574
00:38:23,442 --> 00:38:30,002
Speaker 1: the driveway and Everybody was hysterical, our family, our neighbors,

575
00:38:30,842 --> 00:38:37,562
Speaker 1: everybody was sobbing. Hysterical. Emotions were everywhere everybody. From one

576
00:38:37,602 --> 00:38:40,122
Speaker 1: person that would say no, don't go down there, the

577
00:38:40,202 --> 00:38:42,482
Speaker 1: other person would completely lose it and want to go

578
00:38:42,522 --> 00:38:48,842
Speaker 1: down there. And I tried running down there several times

579
00:38:48,882 --> 00:38:53,602
Speaker 1: and was held back. And then I remembered that Louri

580
00:38:53,802 --> 00:38:58,322
Speaker 1: Drew asked us to store a foosball table in the

581
00:38:58,362 --> 00:39:02,202
Speaker 1: garage for their kids for Christmas. So in between when

582
00:39:02,242 --> 00:39:07,322
Speaker 1: Megan took her own life and now I helped load

583
00:39:07,682 --> 00:39:11,042
Speaker 1: her kid's Christmas present covered it up in the garage

584
00:39:11,082 --> 00:39:15,602
Speaker 1: for her. This was also the same woman that when

585
00:39:15,762 --> 00:39:18,842
Speaker 1: after Megan died, we went and knocked on their door

586
00:39:19,042 --> 00:39:23,122
Speaker 1: and told Sarah because we wanted her to know, to

587
00:39:23,242 --> 00:39:25,882
Speaker 1: try to make sure she could be okay. Where they

588
00:39:25,922 --> 00:39:29,482
Speaker 1: came to Megan's wake in funeral, The same family that

589
00:39:29,642 --> 00:39:34,762
Speaker 1: invited us to Sarah's birthday party to come down to

590
00:39:34,802 --> 00:39:39,202
Speaker 1: their house to sing and have cake, which was three

591
00:39:39,282 --> 00:39:44,122
Speaker 1: days after Megan's birthday, to sit there and watch us

592
00:39:46,002 --> 00:39:50,842
Speaker 1: in absolute misery, and then to ask my younger daughter

593
00:39:51,002 --> 00:39:56,282
Speaker 1: Ellison to walk around with them on Halloween. The every

594
00:39:56,322 --> 00:40:01,202
Speaker 1: single emotion that I had realizing that they did nothing

595
00:40:01,282 --> 00:40:04,162
Speaker 1: but relish in the fact of watching our complete pain.

596
00:40:07,562 --> 00:40:11,762
Speaker 1: It sounds ridiculous now, but we grabbed the foosball table

597
00:40:11,842 --> 00:40:14,722
Speaker 1: and one of us had a sledgehammer, one of us

598
00:40:14,722 --> 00:40:19,282
Speaker 1: had an axe, and we destroyed the foosball table, put

599
00:40:19,322 --> 00:40:22,602
Speaker 1: it in the back of Ron's truck. The big cardboard box.

600
00:40:22,642 --> 00:40:26,202
Speaker 1: I spray painted Merry Christmas on it. We drove down

601
00:40:26,242 --> 00:40:30,522
Speaker 1: the street. We unloaded it all behind their van and

602
00:40:31,922 --> 00:40:38,042
Speaker 1: put the box there. Came back home and Laurie Drew,

603
00:40:38,522 --> 00:40:42,482
Speaker 1: her husband and Sarah Drew. They sent Sarah in front

604
00:40:42,522 --> 00:40:45,362
Speaker 1: of them, walked down the sidewalk with their hands in

605
00:40:45,402 --> 00:40:53,682
Speaker 1: the air of what's going on, what's happening? And they

606
00:40:53,762 --> 00:40:56,082
Speaker 1: had our neighbors went and told them if they knew

607
00:40:56,082 --> 00:40:57,602
Speaker 1: what was good for them, that they would leave and

608
00:40:57,642 --> 00:41:04,522
Speaker 1: go home. They sent them or Sarah Drew, the fourteen

609
00:41:04,602 --> 00:41:07,242
Speaker 1: year old now to our front door, to now on

610
00:41:07,282 --> 00:41:14,082
Speaker 1: our door to talk to us, and Ron told her

611
00:41:14,442 --> 00:41:18,242
Speaker 1: to go home, do not come back here again. Go home.

612
00:41:20,362 --> 00:41:25,642
Speaker 1: Louri Drew then called the police department to file charges

613
00:41:26,562 --> 00:41:30,962
Speaker 1: against us for destruction of personal property, and at that

614
00:41:31,162 --> 00:41:36,362
Speaker 1: time is when louri Drew told the police department, the

615
00:41:36,402 --> 00:41:40,002
Speaker 1: police officer in the police report why all of this

616
00:41:40,162 --> 00:41:43,962
Speaker 1: was happening, That she created a fake account to gain

617
00:41:44,002 --> 00:41:46,642
Speaker 1: Megan's confidence, to find out if Megan was talking about

618
00:41:46,642 --> 00:41:51,602
Speaker 1: her daughter behind her back, and that that is the

619
00:41:51,722 --> 00:41:52,362
Speaker 1: sole reason.

620
00:41:53,842 --> 00:41:58,362
Speaker 2: I really cannot imagine that that grief and anger and

621
00:41:58,762 --> 00:42:05,162
Speaker 2: what you experienced. I wonder what was the search for accountability? Like,

622
00:42:05,242 --> 00:42:10,442
Speaker 2: what is accountability to you in circumstances like this.

623
00:42:12,642 --> 00:42:20,122
Speaker 1: You know, there's a fine line between a normal mental

624
00:42:20,162 --> 00:42:26,322
Speaker 1: state and being absolutely losing your mind when these things happen,

625
00:42:27,602 --> 00:42:30,522
Speaker 1: you do not think clearly. I mean, let alone a

626
00:42:30,602 --> 00:42:34,242
Speaker 1: daughter taking your own life, but then this on top

627
00:42:34,322 --> 00:42:39,202
Speaker 1: of it. You know, there's no processing this. There's no

628
00:42:39,802 --> 00:42:44,802
Speaker 1: just going to a counselor you know, meditation. There's no pill,

629
00:42:44,962 --> 00:42:46,962
Speaker 1: no nothing that is going to make any of this

630
00:42:47,162 --> 00:42:55,882
Speaker 1: ever seem okay, and so completely irrational thinking. The irrational

631
00:42:55,962 --> 00:43:03,642
Speaker 1: thinking went from vengeance. I wanted them to feel what

632
00:43:03,842 --> 00:43:07,682
Speaker 1: I felt. I wanted to go down there at that time.

633
00:43:07,762 --> 00:43:09,762
Speaker 1: That was the only way I saw justice to me

634
00:43:10,362 --> 00:43:15,962
Speaker 1: was vengeance. I wanted the family to be tied up,

635
00:43:16,562 --> 00:43:19,282
Speaker 1: and I wanted their daughter to have to slowly take

636
00:43:19,322 --> 00:43:22,802
Speaker 1: her last breath and then watch and feel the pain

637
00:43:22,882 --> 00:43:25,402
Speaker 1: that we felt. That's what I wanted them to feel.

638
00:43:27,682 --> 00:43:32,842
Speaker 1: And then I would have because I vocalized it, you know,

639
00:43:33,002 --> 00:43:38,802
Speaker 1: of course, and I had everybody saying, you cannot touch them,

640
00:43:38,842 --> 00:43:41,802
Speaker 1: you cannot do anything. You have another daughter. And I

641
00:43:41,802 --> 00:43:45,122
Speaker 1: would literally go back home and pray at night to

642
00:43:45,122 --> 00:43:48,282
Speaker 1: give me the strength to not go down to hurt them,

643
00:43:48,482 --> 00:43:52,402
Speaker 1: because I would see them driving on the streets taking

644
00:43:52,442 --> 00:43:57,802
Speaker 1: their kids to school, acting like life was just normal again.

645
00:43:57,882 --> 00:44:00,562
Speaker 1: And when I you know, I don't hide anything. I

646
00:44:00,562 --> 00:44:05,442
Speaker 1: am very transparent. There were when I talk about losing

647
00:44:05,482 --> 00:44:09,322
Speaker 1: your mind. When I saw them drive down the street,

648
00:44:09,762 --> 00:44:12,322
Speaker 1: I would try to run them off the road, like

649
00:44:12,602 --> 00:44:16,002
Speaker 1: literally try to run them off the road. Everything inside

650
00:44:16,042 --> 00:44:19,442
Speaker 1: of me. You could feel normal for a second, and

651
00:44:19,482 --> 00:44:22,282
Speaker 1: then I would see them and it would take over me,

652
00:44:22,362 --> 00:44:26,322
Speaker 1: this rage of how dare you just go on about

653
00:44:26,362 --> 00:44:33,842
Speaker 1: your life when you've done all this. I had to

654
00:44:33,882 --> 00:44:38,082
Speaker 1: start journaling to write down everything that I felt. I

655
00:44:38,122 --> 00:44:41,682
Speaker 1: had to figure out some way to get this gone.

656
00:44:43,122 --> 00:44:48,362
Speaker 1: And we then went and met with an attorney I

657
00:44:48,482 --> 00:44:50,442
Speaker 1: used to work for at a law firm, and so

658
00:44:51,122 --> 00:44:53,722
Speaker 1: I knew he was one of the top criminal attorneys.

659
00:44:54,642 --> 00:44:58,202
Speaker 1: We met with him my aunt. By this point in time,

660
00:44:58,282 --> 00:45:01,522
Speaker 1: my aunt had a banner at the front of our

661
00:45:01,522 --> 00:45:03,882
Speaker 1: subdivision because there's one way in and one way out,

662
00:45:04,362 --> 00:45:06,482
Speaker 1: and I was a real estate agent at the time,

663
00:45:07,042 --> 00:45:10,362
Speaker 1: so we painted signs that said Louri Drew is a

664
00:45:10,442 --> 00:45:13,002
Speaker 1: murderer and lives down the street. If you want to know,

665
00:45:13,202 --> 00:45:18,002
Speaker 1: ask us. When we went to the law firm, he

666
00:45:18,162 --> 00:45:22,682
Speaker 1: quickly advised us to pull up the signs, to not

667
00:45:22,802 --> 00:45:26,882
Speaker 1: talk to anybody about it, and got us in touch

668
00:45:26,882 --> 00:45:32,762
Speaker 1: with the FBI. That's when the FBI investigation started. And

669
00:45:33,162 --> 00:45:37,642
Speaker 1: the hope was at that time that if there was

670
00:45:37,722 --> 00:45:39,562
Speaker 1: not going to be vengeance and they were not going

671
00:45:39,602 --> 00:45:42,442
Speaker 1: to feel the pain, then there needed to be justice.

672
00:45:42,842 --> 00:45:45,842
Speaker 1: Something needed to be done, because I didn't want another

673
00:45:45,882 --> 00:45:54,402
Speaker 1: family going through this, and we quickly realized that Louri

674
00:45:54,522 --> 00:45:59,362
Speaker 1: Drew enjoyed talking to the FBI agent. The FBI agent

675
00:45:59,442 --> 00:46:03,282
Speaker 1: came and took our computer and then they said, listen,

676
00:46:03,322 --> 00:46:05,162
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what she'll do, but we're going to

677
00:46:05,162 --> 00:46:08,322
Speaker 1: go ask her for her computer so that we could

678
00:46:08,402 --> 00:46:14,202
Speaker 1: start tracing this. Laurie made them pancakes. Laurie enjoyed talking

679
00:46:14,242 --> 00:46:18,842
Speaker 1: about what happened. Didn't feel really that she did anything

680
00:46:18,882 --> 00:46:26,682
Speaker 1: that wrong and gave them her computer. And during this time,

681
00:46:27,202 --> 00:46:31,002
Speaker 1: the eighteen year old girl I got. You know, I

682
00:46:31,082 --> 00:46:36,082
Speaker 1: was able to talk to her because she begged for forgiveness,

683
00:46:36,162 --> 00:46:39,122
Speaker 1: and I told her if she wanted to do something right,

684
00:46:40,042 --> 00:46:42,402
Speaker 1: that she needed to go talk to the attorneys. She

685
00:46:42,482 --> 00:46:45,402
Speaker 1: needed to go give a statement, tell the truth. That's

686
00:46:45,442 --> 00:46:48,882
Speaker 1: all I wanted her to do. She did do that,

687
00:46:49,202 --> 00:46:53,122
Speaker 1: and you know, this was a long drawn out process.

688
00:46:53,122 --> 00:46:57,842
Speaker 1: It was probably six months the prosecuting or the FBI investigated.

689
00:46:58,802 --> 00:47:01,082
Speaker 1: When they came back, they were able to trace that

690
00:47:01,842 --> 00:47:05,362
Speaker 1: every message that was going back and forth instant message

691
00:47:05,402 --> 00:47:09,282
Speaker 1: in my Space, every single one was going from the

692
00:47:09,402 --> 00:47:13,522
Speaker 1: Druze house to our house, except for one that came

693
00:47:13,642 --> 00:47:17,002
Speaker 1: from the one girl across the street because she knew

694
00:47:17,042 --> 00:47:19,922
Speaker 1: the password, and she's the one that sent You're not

695
00:47:20,002 --> 00:47:24,602
Speaker 1: a nice person, because she was upset that Megan was

696
00:47:24,642 --> 00:47:29,682
Speaker 1: talking to a boy that she liked. The FBI tried

697
00:47:29,962 --> 00:47:34,402
Speaker 1: to get her prosecuted here. They said that there were

698
00:47:34,442 --> 00:47:38,122
Speaker 1: no laws. They looked at child endangerment, they'd looked at

699
00:47:38,162 --> 00:47:42,042
Speaker 1: child stalking or stalking, they looked at harassment. We didn't

700
00:47:42,042 --> 00:47:46,562
Speaker 1: have any laws that were on the books. About Internet,

701
00:47:46,762 --> 00:47:50,682
Speaker 1: you know, social media, any of those things. The FBI

702
00:47:50,802 --> 00:47:53,242
Speaker 1: took it all the way up to Washington. There was

703
00:47:53,322 --> 00:47:58,602
Speaker 1: even a bill, the Violence Against Women's Act. I think

704
00:47:58,642 --> 00:48:01,482
Speaker 1: it was the I think that's when Bush put that

705
00:48:01,602 --> 00:48:05,802
Speaker 1: in signing that embedded in there. We pulled it out.

706
00:48:05,882 --> 00:48:10,442
Speaker 1: Embedded in there was is these types of Internet crimes.

707
00:48:11,042 --> 00:48:13,482
Speaker 1: I called the White House. My aunt called the White House.

708
00:48:13,922 --> 00:48:16,242
Speaker 1: We made copies of it. We took it to every

709
00:48:16,322 --> 00:48:22,442
Speaker 1: jurisdiction we could think of, and nobody, they felt, no

710
00:48:22,482 --> 00:48:27,522
Speaker 1: one could prosecute it. And I thought, what are we

711
00:48:27,522 --> 00:48:32,642
Speaker 1: supposed to do now? And I remember the one FBI

712
00:48:32,762 --> 00:48:39,082
Speaker 1: agent who was phenomenal. His name was Billy, and he said, Tina,

713
00:48:39,402 --> 00:48:44,602
Speaker 1: don't give up, don't give up, get the laws changed.

714
00:48:45,962 --> 00:48:49,122
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, great, how do you do that? I

715
00:48:49,202 --> 00:48:55,522
Speaker 1: have no idea and we I thought about it, and

716
00:48:55,562 --> 00:48:59,002
Speaker 1: at this time I was also going through a divorce.

717
00:49:00,042 --> 00:49:01,962
Speaker 1: You know. The thing is, when you go through these

718
00:49:02,002 --> 00:49:09,162
Speaker 1: traumatic experiences, many times marriages don't make it. So it

719
00:49:09,322 --> 00:49:14,322
Speaker 1: was a lot of different moving parts. And my aunt

720
00:49:15,162 --> 00:49:21,042
Speaker 1: saw a newspaper article about MySpace and contacted the journalist

721
00:49:21,042 --> 00:49:25,002
Speaker 1: Steve Pokin said, will you talk to my niece she

722
00:49:25,122 --> 00:49:29,522
Speaker 1: wants to get the laws changed. And this guy, Steve

723
00:49:29,562 --> 00:49:33,762
Speaker 1: Pokin from a local journal, came and did the story,

724
00:49:34,762 --> 00:49:38,922
Speaker 1: went to my old house where Ron was still living.

725
00:49:40,442 --> 00:49:44,442
Speaker 1: Ron gave his side. They published the article, but they

726
00:49:44,482 --> 00:49:47,242
Speaker 1: did not because I thought, this finally is going to

727
00:49:47,242 --> 00:49:50,242
Speaker 1: get Lori Drew's name out there, right, This finally is

728
00:49:50,282 --> 00:49:52,882
Speaker 1: going to get everybody to see because in between this time,

729
00:49:53,042 --> 00:49:55,962
Speaker 1: it's about a year, there were people that thought that

730
00:49:56,042 --> 00:49:58,642
Speaker 1: we just were trying to blame people for Megan's death,

731
00:49:58,762 --> 00:50:02,202
Speaker 1: like we were trying to push blame on somebody else,

732
00:50:02,202 --> 00:50:05,682
Speaker 1: and really it must have been us. And I wanted to,

733
00:50:05,762 --> 00:50:09,802
Speaker 1: like clear Egan's name. I wanted people to know, and

734
00:50:10,162 --> 00:50:13,962
Speaker 1: he refused, or his publisher refused to release Lorie's Drew name,

735
00:50:14,122 --> 00:50:20,042
Speaker 1: Lori Drew's name. I was not happy, and I told

736
00:50:20,122 --> 00:50:24,482
Speaker 1: him how unhappy it was about it. You know, I

737
00:50:24,482 --> 00:50:27,002
Speaker 1: get why they have to do certain things through protection

738
00:50:27,082 --> 00:50:30,322
Speaker 1: of children, and I get all of that now, but

739
00:50:30,442 --> 00:50:33,682
Speaker 1: I was not happy. But the reality is that one

740
00:50:33,722 --> 00:50:37,882
Speaker 1: newspaper article that went out got the attention of a

741
00:50:37,882 --> 00:50:42,722
Speaker 1: blogger out of state. The blogger out of state contacted

742
00:50:42,762 --> 00:50:48,762
Speaker 1: the journalist and started pushing this out and all of

743
00:50:48,802 --> 00:50:51,322
Speaker 1: the things that I ever wanted to be able to

744
00:50:51,362 --> 00:50:58,162
Speaker 1: do to the Drews. Everybody, they all did this. I

745
00:50:58,202 --> 00:51:02,682
Speaker 1: mean they people that found out about this and read

746
00:51:02,722 --> 00:51:06,002
Speaker 1: about it and heard about it. Because now it's now

747
00:51:06,002 --> 00:51:10,002
Speaker 1: it's on news, you know, new in newspapers and on blogs.

748
00:51:10,122 --> 00:51:13,642
Speaker 1: And that was even before the big viral, you know

749
00:51:13,682 --> 00:51:18,202
Speaker 1: where everything went viral. Now, you know, we had new

750
00:51:18,282 --> 00:51:21,722
Speaker 1: stations and national media and all of that were starting

751
00:51:21,762 --> 00:51:24,682
Speaker 1: to come about wanting to hear about the story. You know,

752
00:51:24,762 --> 00:51:28,122
Speaker 1: back then, when a local news station we called them

753
00:51:28,122 --> 00:51:31,722
Speaker 1: about the story, they said, we don't do suicide, especially

754
00:51:31,762 --> 00:51:37,842
Speaker 1: on youth. We don't do those stories. Now, people in

755
00:51:37,882 --> 00:51:42,522
Speaker 1: the out that I didn't know, you know, we're able.

756
00:51:42,562 --> 00:51:45,442
Speaker 1: They hacked into Lori Drew's home phone number, they hacked

757
00:51:45,442 --> 00:51:50,482
Speaker 1: into her cell phone number, They contacted every single business

758
00:51:50,522 --> 00:51:53,722
Speaker 1: that she did business with. Her business got shut down.

759
00:51:54,402 --> 00:51:59,922
Speaker 1: They I mean, they did things that I was like because,

760
00:51:59,962 --> 00:52:03,682
Speaker 1: again to some people, this may sound horrible. I wanted

761
00:52:03,682 --> 00:52:06,482
Speaker 1: their life to be a living health. I wanted them

762
00:52:06,522 --> 00:52:09,442
Speaker 1: to live of the hell that I was living. And

763
00:52:10,282 --> 00:52:15,362
Speaker 1: so I remember I went on Bill O'Reilly one time

764
00:52:15,562 --> 00:52:18,682
Speaker 1: a show and he was like, don't you feel like

765
00:52:18,762 --> 00:52:22,282
Speaker 1: these vigil aunties. Don't you feel bad for the DRUS

766
00:52:22,402 --> 00:52:26,522
Speaker 1: because you know they've done all of these things to them.

767
00:52:27,802 --> 00:52:31,642
Speaker 1: Don't you feel bad? I was like, are you kidding me?

768
00:52:32,402 --> 00:52:35,482
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. First of all, this is the

769
00:52:35,722 --> 00:52:39,722
Speaker 1: public opinion. What they did was so incredibly wrong, and

770
00:52:39,762 --> 00:52:42,802
Speaker 1: it's really hard for people to understand. How could a

771
00:52:42,842 --> 00:52:46,202
Speaker 1: mom be involved in doing this. We get it more

772
00:52:46,322 --> 00:52:49,602
Speaker 1: when kids do this, right, But when a mom does this,

773
00:52:50,442 --> 00:52:54,362
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. They're all still alive so she has to

774
00:52:54,362 --> 00:52:56,602
Speaker 1: figure out a new business. You want me to feel

775
00:52:56,642 --> 00:52:59,242
Speaker 1: sorry for sorry, I don't. They have to move. You

776
00:52:59,282 --> 00:53:01,842
Speaker 1: want me to feel sorry about that. I don't. No,

777
00:53:02,322 --> 00:53:08,602
Speaker 1: I don't feel sorry. And you know I thought, at

778
00:53:08,682 --> 00:53:12,322
Speaker 1: least at that point, I thought, Okay, this is we

779
00:53:12,402 --> 00:53:14,322
Speaker 1: got the laws changed in the state of Missouri, and

780
00:53:14,402 --> 00:53:17,722
Speaker 1: this is where we need to go. And then I

781
00:53:17,762 --> 00:53:22,562
Speaker 1: get a call from the LA Times and they said,

782
00:53:23,162 --> 00:53:26,242
Speaker 1: are you aware about the indictment of Lori Drew? And

783
00:53:26,282 --> 00:53:30,202
Speaker 1: I like, what, I have no clue what you're talking about.

784
00:53:30,882 --> 00:53:34,762
Speaker 1: They said, well, a federal grand jury indicted Lori Drew.

785
00:53:37,242 --> 00:53:40,242
Speaker 1: I was like, are they're talking about indicting Lori Drew?

786
00:53:40,242 --> 00:53:44,882
Speaker 1: And I said okay, I don't know anything about it.

787
00:53:44,962 --> 00:53:46,682
Speaker 1: So I got off the phone and one of the

788
00:53:46,682 --> 00:53:50,842
Speaker 1: producers from the Today Show called and said, Tina, can

789
00:53:50,882 --> 00:53:53,042
Speaker 1: you get on a plane in an hour. I'm like,

790
00:53:54,322 --> 00:53:58,122
Speaker 1: I am back over at my old house. I am

791
00:53:58,122 --> 00:54:01,642
Speaker 1: in the process of cleaning out Megan's room. It was

792
00:54:02,282 --> 00:54:06,322
Speaker 1: horribly hard to do. My hair is in a ponytail

793
00:54:06,402 --> 00:54:08,042
Speaker 1: and sweat, and so you want me to get on

794
00:54:08,082 --> 00:54:11,122
Speaker 1: a plane. I'm like, yes, you've got to get in

795
00:54:11,162 --> 00:54:12,722
Speaker 1: a plane. You've got to go, You've got to go.

796
00:54:13,962 --> 00:54:20,202
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking every time that when we started this

797
00:54:20,282 --> 00:54:23,522
Speaker 1: in the beginning, I remember my aunt when I would

798
00:54:23,562 --> 00:54:25,762
Speaker 1: be like, I can't do another interview. I cannot do

799
00:54:25,802 --> 00:54:29,362
Speaker 1: another TV show. I cannot do this anymore. I'm exhausted.

800
00:54:30,082 --> 00:54:33,962
Speaker 1: She would say, Tina, what if there's another Megan out there?

801
00:54:34,322 --> 00:54:38,162
Speaker 1: What if there's another you out there? And so every

802
00:54:38,202 --> 00:54:41,082
Speaker 1: time these things would happen, I would be okay, like

803
00:54:42,402 --> 00:54:45,202
Speaker 1: I have to And you know, I would get comments

804
00:54:45,282 --> 00:54:48,682
Speaker 1: from people that would say, oh, she loves the attention.

805
00:54:49,442 --> 00:54:51,602
Speaker 1: She must be getting paid a lot of money. You know,

806
00:54:51,642 --> 00:54:54,402
Speaker 1: you're how sick are you to be getting paid? In

807
00:54:54,482 --> 00:54:59,042
Speaker 1: Megan's death, I thought, do people have any First of all,

808
00:54:59,082 --> 00:55:01,962
Speaker 1: my eyes were swollen half the time because I cried

809
00:55:02,082 --> 00:55:05,242
Speaker 1: all the time. You do not get paid for any

810
00:55:05,282 --> 00:55:08,282
Speaker 1: of these interviews. They pay for your flight in a

811
00:55:08,362 --> 00:55:10,722
Speaker 1: hotel s day. You get up at four in the morning,

812
00:55:11,162 --> 00:55:13,402
Speaker 1: they smack makeup on you, You're on there for three

813
00:55:13,442 --> 00:55:17,082
Speaker 1: minutes and you go home. It's exhausting. I did it

814
00:55:17,162 --> 00:55:21,202
Speaker 1: because that's every single time, even still to this day.

815
00:55:22,282 --> 00:55:25,162
Speaker 1: It's if there's another Megan out there listening, if there's

816
00:55:25,642 --> 00:55:30,842
Speaker 1: a parent, an educator, somebody out there listening, that's what

817
00:55:31,322 --> 00:55:37,282
Speaker 1: we have to do. And when I flew back Good

818
00:55:37,362 --> 00:55:41,442
Speaker 1: Morning America producers were there at the house filming something

819
00:55:42,082 --> 00:55:45,562
Speaker 1: and I got a call from the US attorney at

820
00:55:45,562 --> 00:55:49,202
Speaker 1: the time, Thomas O'Brien, and he said he wanted to

821
00:55:49,202 --> 00:55:53,682
Speaker 1: inform me that Lori Drew was officially charged on four counts.

822
00:55:54,402 --> 00:55:57,602
Speaker 1: The federal grand jury did indict her. She faced up

823
00:55:57,602 --> 00:56:02,162
Speaker 1: to twenty years in prison, and that they are going

824
00:56:02,202 --> 00:56:05,402
Speaker 1: to keep in contact with me. The Victims Advocate Group

825
00:56:05,442 --> 00:56:08,482
Speaker 1: would be in contact with me, but they are planning

826
00:56:08,522 --> 00:56:13,722
Speaker 1: on going to trial. And I was shocked. I didn't

827
00:56:13,842 --> 00:56:20,482
Speaker 1: you know. I told him, thank you, and Thomas O'Brien

828
00:56:20,562 --> 00:56:23,082
Speaker 1: flew out to Saint Louis at the FBI's office and

829
00:56:23,122 --> 00:56:27,282
Speaker 1: I met with him and he said that when they

830
00:56:27,322 --> 00:56:31,322
Speaker 1: found out about the story, that because my Space's headquarters

831
00:56:31,322 --> 00:56:36,682
Speaker 1: were based in Los Angeles, that he felt it was

832
00:56:37,202 --> 00:56:42,802
Speaker 1: such an injustice that she was not charged. And when

833
00:56:42,802 --> 00:56:44,882
Speaker 1: they found out, they knew it was a long shot,

834
00:56:44,922 --> 00:56:47,362
Speaker 1: but when they found out that they could indict her

835
00:56:47,922 --> 00:56:53,242
Speaker 1: and she faced for violating terms of service the different charges,

836
00:56:53,682 --> 00:56:57,642
Speaker 1: that they felt that it was worth taking a stand

837
00:56:57,802 --> 00:57:01,682
Speaker 1: to do this. And I will tell you Mark Krause

838
00:57:01,802 --> 00:57:05,882
Speaker 1: was another prosecuting attorney there. I will never be able

839
00:57:05,922 --> 00:57:09,202
Speaker 1: to say how greatful I am for all of the

840
00:57:09,322 --> 00:57:13,362
Speaker 1: endless hours, the hard work that they all did, knowing

841
00:57:13,362 --> 00:57:15,842
Speaker 1: that it was a long shot, but standing up for

842
00:57:15,922 --> 00:57:19,202
Speaker 1: the rights of kids all over the country that struggled

843
00:57:19,202 --> 00:57:22,042
Speaker 1: through this because it was the first case that was

844
00:57:22,082 --> 00:57:25,802
Speaker 1: able to take a stand. And now the ACLU and

845
00:57:25,842 --> 00:57:28,562
Speaker 1: other people coming in and saying, we can say whatever

846
00:57:28,642 --> 00:57:32,122
Speaker 1: we want online, Well, can you really say whatever you want?

847
00:57:32,522 --> 00:57:37,002
Speaker 1: Is it protected speech? And so you know, even though

848
00:57:37,042 --> 00:57:40,682
Speaker 1: eventually with the trial it turned out she was you know,

849
00:57:40,802 --> 00:57:45,362
Speaker 1: charged with three counts, the judge ultimately overturned the case

850
00:57:45,962 --> 00:57:49,362
Speaker 1: and said too many people lie on social media would

851
00:57:49,362 --> 00:57:56,802
Speaker 1: be unconstitutional. And I cried. The prosecute attorney's cried, Our

852
00:57:56,842 --> 00:57:59,642
Speaker 1: whole family cried afterwards because it was so much work,

853
00:57:59,682 --> 00:58:05,002
Speaker 1: and it was Thomas O'Brien cross examined Sarah Drew the child,

854
00:58:05,002 --> 00:58:07,482
Speaker 1: the fourteen year old, and it was the first time

855
00:58:07,522 --> 00:58:11,522
Speaker 1: in thirty years that a US attorney did any type

856
00:58:11,562 --> 00:58:15,842
Speaker 1: of cross examination in a trial. That's how much it meant.

857
00:58:16,402 --> 00:58:23,082
Speaker 1: And I realized at that point in time that our foundation,

858
00:58:23,682 --> 00:58:27,602
Speaker 1: because I started that in two thousand and seven, that

859
00:58:28,122 --> 00:58:32,282
Speaker 1: looking at Lori Drew and realizing the vengeance was gone,

860
00:58:32,362 --> 00:58:35,882
Speaker 1: Really it was more of justice, And even though she

861
00:58:35,882 --> 00:58:40,642
Speaker 1: didn't face jail time, justice was now people knowing about

862
00:58:40,682 --> 00:58:44,482
Speaker 1: the story, now talking to their kids, now making changes,

863
00:58:44,602 --> 00:58:48,842
Speaker 1: laws being changed, And for me, Megan was so much

864
00:58:48,882 --> 00:58:52,842
Speaker 1: more than this angered part, this piece that happened to her.

865
00:58:53,482 --> 00:58:57,042
Speaker 1: And if I can honor her life to help others

866
00:58:57,162 --> 00:58:59,802
Speaker 1: and parents and kids, that's what I was going to

867
00:58:59,882 --> 00:59:02,762
Speaker 1: do and it's what we still do today this many

868
00:59:02,842 --> 00:59:03,442
Speaker 1: years later.

869
00:59:03,882 --> 00:59:06,162
Speaker 2: Now, did Laurie Drew ever apologize to you?

870
00:59:08,402 --> 00:59:10,602
Speaker 1: That is the number one question that I get asked

871
00:59:10,642 --> 00:59:16,842
Speaker 1: from usually adults and kids. Laurie Drew wrote a letter,

872
00:59:16,842 --> 00:59:20,562
Speaker 1: a handwritten letter that I still have that stated that

873
00:59:21,042 --> 00:59:23,602
Speaker 1: this was after Megan died and after we found out

874
00:59:23,642 --> 00:59:28,082
Speaker 1: they were involved. Said that she understands that we blame

875
00:59:28,162 --> 00:59:31,962
Speaker 1: her for Megan's death, but that she would really like

876
00:59:32,042 --> 00:59:35,082
Speaker 1: to talk to us and explain us to us about

877
00:59:35,642 --> 00:59:37,722
Speaker 1: their side of the story that they felt that was

878
00:59:37,802 --> 00:59:43,282
Speaker 1: really important at that time. There was not a word

879
00:59:43,442 --> 00:59:47,242
Speaker 1: in any language that that woman could have said that

880
00:59:47,642 --> 00:59:50,762
Speaker 1: would have made a difference. She had had six weeks

881
00:59:50,882 --> 00:59:54,402
Speaker 1: in between us finding out to have some remorse to

882
00:59:54,442 --> 00:59:58,402
Speaker 1: do the right thing. She didn't. So it was best

883
00:59:58,482 --> 01:00:01,962
Speaker 1: for me, honestly, to not put myself in that place

884
01:00:02,002 --> 01:00:04,042
Speaker 1: to talk to her because nothing good would have came.

885
01:00:04,362 --> 01:00:06,642
Speaker 2: I wondered, if you have a little bit more time,

886
01:00:06,922 --> 01:00:09,282
Speaker 2: I would like to ask a few questions about your foundation,

887
01:00:09,522 --> 01:00:12,962
Speaker 2: And you said you started in two thousand and seven.

888
01:00:13,322 --> 01:00:14,442
Speaker 2: How did this come about?

889
01:00:14,762 --> 01:00:21,602
Speaker 1: So that aunt of mine, who is like my second mom, said,

890
01:00:22,642 --> 01:00:24,242
Speaker 1: you know, what are you going to do now? And

891
01:00:24,282 --> 01:00:27,282
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not going to be a real estate agent.

892
01:00:27,362 --> 01:00:31,762
Speaker 1: I don't care if the house falls down. Like my priorities,

893
01:00:31,842 --> 01:00:36,122
Speaker 1: everything that I valued in life has gone. So I

894
01:00:36,202 --> 01:00:39,122
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to help other kids. I didn't know

895
01:00:39,162 --> 01:00:42,122
Speaker 1: how to do that or what that looked like. And

896
01:00:42,442 --> 01:00:45,562
Speaker 1: my aunt said, so we're going to do it, and

897
01:00:46,082 --> 01:00:51,562
Speaker 1: she got a federal identification number, we came up with

898
01:00:51,602 --> 01:00:55,402
Speaker 1: the name, we registered that. She gave me the first

899
01:00:55,562 --> 01:00:58,722
Speaker 1: hundred dollars to open up the checking account for the foundation,

900
01:00:59,682 --> 01:01:03,482
Speaker 1: and she found an attorney that would help draft our

901
01:01:04,162 --> 01:01:10,442
Speaker 1: bylaws and incorporation and get everything done. And you know,

902
01:01:10,842 --> 01:01:13,722
Speaker 1: the Megan Meyer Foundation, and the mission is to support

903
01:01:14,042 --> 01:01:18,162
Speaker 1: and inspire actions to end bullying, cyber bullying, and suicide.

904
01:01:19,242 --> 01:01:23,442
Speaker 1: What that looked like beyond that, I had not a clue.

905
01:01:23,562 --> 01:01:28,682
Speaker 1: But I started getting calls now that everything was out there.

906
01:01:28,962 --> 01:01:32,842
Speaker 1: I got calls from different places, and one of them

907
01:01:33,042 --> 01:01:37,322
Speaker 1: was an insurance company for school districts, and they said, well,

908
01:01:37,362 --> 01:01:41,882
Speaker 1: you come speak to superintendents about your story and at

909
01:01:42,042 --> 01:01:46,042
Speaker 1: this huge conference. And I said, sure, I don't know

910
01:01:46,082 --> 01:01:47,882
Speaker 1: what I'm going to talk about or how do I

911
01:01:47,882 --> 01:01:51,482
Speaker 1: get this out? And I went. It was about a

912
01:01:51,602 --> 01:01:54,922
Speaker 1: year after Megan passed away, and I went to the

913
01:01:54,962 --> 01:01:59,162
Speaker 1: conference and I think I cried half the time through it.

914
01:01:59,882 --> 01:02:03,602
Speaker 1: But there's like three or four hundred superintendents for schools,

915
01:02:03,722 --> 01:02:08,322
Speaker 1: and I told Megan's story, and once I got done,

916
01:02:08,522 --> 01:02:11,722
Speaker 1: I started getting superintendents. You know, will you come speak

917
01:02:11,722 --> 01:02:15,482
Speaker 1: at our school? How much will it cost? I was like,

918
01:02:17,242 --> 01:02:19,962
Speaker 1: I don't know. Three hundred and fifty dollars. I don't know.

919
01:02:20,082 --> 01:02:22,562
Speaker 1: I just pulled it out of my head. It's like,

920
01:02:22,602 --> 01:02:24,962
Speaker 1: you know, four hour drive. I'm like, uh, sure, three

921
01:02:25,002 --> 01:02:28,962
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars. I don't know. And I started

922
01:02:29,122 --> 01:02:33,362
Speaker 1: going and speaking to schools, and you know, this time,

923
01:02:33,682 --> 01:02:36,562
Speaker 1: my aunt thankfully was letting me work at her office

924
01:02:37,202 --> 01:02:39,682
Speaker 1: while I was doing this, so I could at least

925
01:02:39,682 --> 01:02:42,482
Speaker 1: get paid because I wasn't getting paid through the foundation.

926
01:02:43,042 --> 01:02:45,162
Speaker 1: We started in two thousand and seven and I didn't

927
01:02:45,162 --> 01:02:50,202
Speaker 1: get paid until like twenty eleven. So anytime we made

928
01:02:50,202 --> 01:02:53,762
Speaker 1: any money, it just went straight into the foundation. And

929
01:02:54,642 --> 01:02:56,682
Speaker 1: you know, we started a golf tournament to try to

930
01:02:56,762 --> 01:03:02,682
Speaker 1: raise funds. And it started really with organically, with going

931
01:03:02,722 --> 01:03:06,242
Speaker 1: to schools and speaking. And the first time, several times

932
01:03:06,242 --> 01:03:09,282
Speaker 1: I did it, it was is Megan's story, but it was

933
01:03:09,362 --> 01:03:14,402
Speaker 1: also about thinking how you treat other people. And then

934
01:03:15,082 --> 01:03:17,922
Speaker 1: as time went on and I was able to sit

935
01:03:17,962 --> 01:03:22,042
Speaker 1: down and talk to kids after speaking and kids from

936
01:03:22,122 --> 01:03:24,882
Speaker 1: all walks of life about what they're feeling, what they're

937
01:03:24,922 --> 01:03:29,082
Speaker 1: going through, I was able to then start incorporating different

938
01:03:29,122 --> 01:03:32,842
Speaker 1: pieces into it and talking about what bullying is and

939
01:03:33,282 --> 01:03:36,082
Speaker 1: cyber bullying, and yes, talking about suicide, but a lot

940
01:03:36,122 --> 01:03:41,242
Speaker 1: of it is empathy driven, trying to get kids to

941
01:03:41,482 --> 01:03:45,402
Speaker 1: understand what it would feel like in another person's shoes.

942
01:03:45,482 --> 01:03:51,082
Speaker 1: And you know, I still travel and speak today, and

943
01:03:51,362 --> 01:03:56,402
Speaker 1: each and every time it is it takes, you know,

944
01:03:56,482 --> 01:04:00,202
Speaker 1: it takes a piece. You know, it's emotionally and told

945
01:04:00,282 --> 01:04:03,682
Speaker 1: because when I do it, my whole purpose of doing

946
01:04:03,722 --> 01:04:05,922
Speaker 1: it is too if I can connect with one kid,

947
01:04:06,642 --> 01:04:08,642
Speaker 1: if I walk out of here and I've just helped

948
01:04:08,762 --> 01:04:11,962
Speaker 1: one kid in a school of five thousand, and I

949
01:04:12,002 --> 01:04:14,682
Speaker 1: can help them that it was worth it coming. And

950
01:04:14,762 --> 01:04:17,762
Speaker 1: so you try to give it everything that you've got

951
01:04:17,802 --> 01:04:20,642
Speaker 1: to try to make that difference. And you know, today

952
01:04:20,682 --> 01:04:27,442
Speaker 1: the Foundation now we have done interactive workshops. We you know,

953
01:04:27,562 --> 01:04:31,242
Speaker 1: have a counseling and support center that we provide counseling

954
01:04:31,362 --> 01:04:36,762
Speaker 1: in schools and in our offices. We have six contracted

955
01:04:36,842 --> 01:04:41,962
Speaker 1: therapists and we you know, work with families all over

956
01:04:42,002 --> 01:04:46,482
Speaker 1: the world that are struggling with their kids and we listen, support,

957
01:04:46,762 --> 01:04:50,962
Speaker 1: provide them resources, guidance and helping them, and so, you know,

958
01:04:51,002 --> 01:04:54,682
Speaker 1: we have a long way to go. It's still even

959
01:04:54,682 --> 01:04:57,882
Speaker 1: though we've accomplished so much. We want to make sure

960
01:04:57,922 --> 01:05:00,162
Speaker 1: that there are supports in every single school, and we

961
01:05:00,202 --> 01:05:02,962
Speaker 1: want to make sure that when a parent is scared

962
01:05:03,002 --> 01:05:06,722
Speaker 1: and doesn't understand that they have supports and guidance and

963
01:05:07,082 --> 01:05:09,962
Speaker 1: to do. We want to make sure kids know that

964
01:05:10,082 --> 01:05:12,482
Speaker 1: people do care, that there is help there. And so

965
01:05:13,362 --> 01:05:15,922
Speaker 1: we're going to continue to keep pushing and fighting every

966
01:05:15,962 --> 01:05:19,962
Speaker 1: single day to make sure that kids feel happy and

967
01:05:20,002 --> 01:05:23,482
Speaker 1: healthy and know that they're wanted and supported.

968
01:05:26,002 --> 01:05:29,642
Speaker 2: Have you noticed any changes in the way people understand

969
01:05:29,762 --> 01:05:32,602
Speaker 2: or talk about cyber bullying since two thousand and seven.

970
01:05:33,442 --> 01:05:38,442
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a huge difference. In the beginning kids especially.

971
01:05:38,722 --> 01:05:41,562
Speaker 1: We have pre and post surveys that we do for schools,

972
01:05:42,162 --> 01:05:45,962
Speaker 1: and in the beginning it was kids were very much

973
01:05:46,042 --> 01:05:48,962
Speaker 1: more open. In middle school and high school, kids more

974
01:05:49,002 --> 01:05:52,522
Speaker 1: open to talk about yes, I've been bullied, Yes I've

975
01:05:53,002 --> 01:05:58,922
Speaker 1: witnessed bullying, yes, cyber bullying. And then it kind of

976
01:05:58,962 --> 01:06:03,762
Speaker 1: started tapering off where they didn't show that high percentage.

977
01:06:04,082 --> 01:06:08,242
Speaker 1: It was shifting and so we started asking open ended questions,

978
01:06:08,402 --> 01:06:12,642
Speaker 1: which was, you know, what do you wish adults knew

979
01:06:13,002 --> 01:06:16,762
Speaker 1: about your life? What do you wish like? Because I

980
01:06:16,922 --> 01:06:20,002
Speaker 1: kept hearing from them, adults don't get us, adults don't

981
01:06:20,042 --> 01:06:23,482
Speaker 1: understand adults, you know, So as I wanted that open

982
01:06:23,642 --> 01:06:27,682
Speaker 1: ended and you know, do you know of anybody you

983
01:06:27,882 --> 01:06:32,522
Speaker 1: or yourself that is in danger you're concerned about? We

984
01:06:32,602 --> 01:06:35,762
Speaker 1: asked those questions and that is when we started to

985
01:06:35,762 --> 01:06:40,082
Speaker 1: see that shift where they would say, nope, they do not,

986
01:06:40,642 --> 01:06:43,002
Speaker 1: you know, it's not happening to them. But then they

987
01:06:43,002 --> 01:06:46,682
Speaker 1: would start talking about it in open ended questions, right

988
01:06:46,762 --> 01:06:50,522
Speaker 1: because the change was they started hearing about it so

989
01:06:50,642 --> 01:06:53,922
Speaker 1: much that it needed to be these big, huge stories

990
01:06:53,962 --> 01:06:57,042
Speaker 1: online for them to feel like they were bullied or

991
01:06:57,122 --> 01:07:00,482
Speaker 1: cyber bullied. So they didn't realize that the constant name

992
01:07:00,562 --> 01:07:05,162
Speaker 1: calling really was bullying. They knew it wasn't okay, but

993
01:07:05,202 --> 01:07:07,682
Speaker 1: they didn't want to feel like they were a baby

994
01:07:07,682 --> 01:07:09,842
Speaker 1: and crying about it, you know, just suck it up,

995
01:07:10,802 --> 01:07:12,722
Speaker 1: and so they would then talk about it more in

996
01:07:12,762 --> 01:07:16,162
Speaker 1: the open ended questions about how it made them feel.

997
01:07:16,522 --> 01:07:20,722
Speaker 1: And even still today, the things that have shifted even

998
01:07:20,802 --> 01:07:23,922
Speaker 1: more so is that they will still talk about it,

999
01:07:23,962 --> 01:07:27,522
Speaker 1: but it's not quite so much about bullying and cyberbullying.

1000
01:07:27,682 --> 01:07:32,442
Speaker 1: It's more about how they cannot take the pressure, how

1001
01:07:32,482 --> 01:07:38,082
Speaker 1: people are cruel. They talk about their anxiety, their stress,

1002
01:07:38,122 --> 01:07:40,922
Speaker 1: that a lot of things that are going on in

1003
01:07:40,922 --> 01:07:44,562
Speaker 1: their home life that students don't get it. They don't

1004
01:07:44,642 --> 01:07:48,202
Speaker 1: understand how heart hurtful or harmful they can be. That

1005
01:07:48,242 --> 01:07:50,962
Speaker 1: they don't think adults get it. And so we're really

1006
01:07:51,002 --> 01:07:54,802
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of them talking about that social and

1007
01:07:54,882 --> 01:07:59,082
Speaker 1: emotional piece, how they're really struggling and feeling like they

1008
01:07:59,122 --> 01:08:01,802
Speaker 1: don't fit in, like there's not a place in this

1009
01:08:01,922 --> 01:08:05,642
Speaker 1: world for them. And so it's really really hard to

1010
01:08:05,682 --> 01:08:09,962
Speaker 1: read those You know, your heart hurts when you see

1011
01:08:09,962 --> 01:08:12,602
Speaker 1: that because you want them to know that they matter.

1012
01:08:14,562 --> 01:08:17,682
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure a lot of parents turn to

1013
01:08:17,722 --> 01:08:21,922
Speaker 2: you for advice on how to protect their children from

1014
01:08:22,522 --> 01:08:25,322
Speaker 2: what exists on the internet. And what kind of advice

1015
01:08:25,362 --> 01:08:28,882
Speaker 2: would you give someone who is worried at this moment?

1016
01:08:30,402 --> 01:08:35,362
Speaker 1: You know, I wish there was a perfect solution. If

1017
01:08:35,402 --> 01:08:38,442
Speaker 1: you do a B C or D, this is what

1018
01:08:38,522 --> 01:08:42,842
Speaker 1: is going to protect them, But the reality is there's not.

1019
01:08:43,322 --> 01:08:46,282
Speaker 1: So what we talk about, if there's a way is

1020
01:08:46,802 --> 01:08:50,802
Speaker 1: at the beginning, when you introduce your child to the iPad,

1021
01:08:51,242 --> 01:08:53,642
Speaker 1: introduce them to the phone that they want to play on,

1022
01:08:54,162 --> 01:08:57,122
Speaker 1: making sure that you set up those limits, you know,

1023
01:08:57,242 --> 01:09:01,002
Speaker 1: restrictions at that time, but then not letting them lay

1024
01:09:01,002 --> 01:09:03,162
Speaker 1: in bed and fall asleep with it, not keeping it

1025
01:09:03,202 --> 01:09:06,442
Speaker 1: in their bedrooms, making sure that they only have certain

1026
01:09:06,482 --> 01:09:11,242
Speaker 1: time on it, and restrictions as they start getting older,

1027
01:09:11,962 --> 01:09:15,802
Speaker 1: talking to them about why you want them to be

1028
01:09:15,882 --> 01:09:19,082
Speaker 1: safe online, and even talking to them about even if

1029
01:09:19,082 --> 01:09:22,282
Speaker 1: they're playing a game. You know, let's say that you

1030
01:09:22,362 --> 01:09:25,402
Speaker 1: were playing a game and someone says something really mean,

1031
01:09:26,402 --> 01:09:29,002
Speaker 1: how would you handle that? You know, what would you do?

1032
01:09:29,722 --> 01:09:32,522
Speaker 1: Who would you come? Talk to us? And so I

1033
01:09:32,522 --> 01:09:36,202
Speaker 1: think talking about those discussions ahead of time and saying,

1034
01:09:36,242 --> 01:09:38,922
Speaker 1: you know, you know, let's talk about let's write down

1035
01:09:38,962 --> 01:09:41,162
Speaker 1: what are some things that you could do, Say that

1036
01:09:41,202 --> 01:09:45,202
Speaker 1: mom and dad are busy or both working, and it happens,

1037
01:09:45,722 --> 01:09:48,442
Speaker 1: here are some things. Let's write it down. I'll write

1038
01:09:48,482 --> 01:09:51,322
Speaker 1: it down, we'll keep track of it. And so those

1039
01:09:51,362 --> 01:09:55,082
Speaker 1: things as they go on, and then once they get

1040
01:09:55,082 --> 01:09:58,362
Speaker 1: a little bit older, you know, middle school is talking

1041
01:09:58,362 --> 01:10:03,242
Speaker 1: to them about the real stories. There is nothing more

1042
01:10:03,282 --> 01:10:07,722
Speaker 1: powerful than you know, telling a kid about why as

1043
01:10:07,722 --> 01:10:11,482
Speaker 1: a parent, I'm worried. I hear these stories, right, and

1044
01:10:11,682 --> 01:10:13,402
Speaker 1: all I can do is think about I don't know

1045
01:10:13,442 --> 01:10:15,042
Speaker 1: what I would do if it happened to you. But

1046
01:10:15,722 --> 01:10:18,162
Speaker 1: did you ever hear about, you know, what happened to

1047
01:10:18,202 --> 01:10:22,002
Speaker 1: this kid or this child? And what would you do?

1048
01:10:22,562 --> 01:10:24,682
Speaker 1: You know, do you feel that you could come talk

1049
01:10:24,762 --> 01:10:28,842
Speaker 1: to me? Because sometimes maybe I do get upset about things,

1050
01:10:28,922 --> 01:10:32,522
Speaker 1: you know, So it's those open conversations of talking to

1051
01:10:32,562 --> 01:10:37,002
Speaker 1: them is really important about what to do. And here's

1052
01:10:37,242 --> 01:10:40,362
Speaker 1: you know at As you grow older, we'll redo some

1053
01:10:40,442 --> 01:10:43,562
Speaker 1: of those restrictions, but as of right now, here's where

1054
01:10:43,562 --> 01:10:46,642
Speaker 1: it's at. And I want to make sure if you're struggling,

1055
01:10:47,002 --> 01:10:49,882
Speaker 1: let's write down who would you go to? Who would

1056
01:10:49,882 --> 01:10:52,202
Speaker 1: you talk to if I'm not here? And so we

1057
01:10:52,322 --> 01:10:55,522
Speaker 1: talk to them a lot about that. But that policy

1058
01:10:55,562 --> 01:10:58,602
Speaker 1: of zero tolerance of do as I say. It's my

1059
01:10:58,762 --> 01:11:00,882
Speaker 1: house and this is how it's going to go, and

1060
01:11:01,282 --> 01:11:04,482
Speaker 1: I'll take your technology away. They're just going to learn

1061
01:11:04,522 --> 01:11:08,882
Speaker 1: how to hide it quicker. And that's the hardest part.

1062
01:11:09,202 --> 01:11:13,122
Speaker 2: How did you monitor your other daughter's social media from

1063
01:11:13,162 --> 01:11:13,722
Speaker 2: that point on?

1064
01:11:15,082 --> 01:11:17,722
Speaker 1: You know, I think after Megan took her own life,

1065
01:11:17,762 --> 01:11:20,522
Speaker 1: and you know, all of the social media was involved.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to place my other daughter, Alison in a bubble,

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Speaker 1: you know, and just protect her, like no one touched her,

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Speaker 1: no one do anything to her. And you know when

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Speaker 1: social media, because she was ten and a half when

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Speaker 1: Megan took her own life, and you know now she's

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Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen, and then you know, she wanted social media,

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Speaker 1: she wanted a cell phone, and I was scared. But

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Speaker 1: I also really truly did not want her to suffer

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Speaker 1: because of what Megan went through. I didn't want her

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Speaker 1: to have to live with everything of you can't do

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Speaker 1: this because Meghan took her own life, or what happened

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Speaker 1: to Megan's going to happen to you. I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to do that, and so I was open and honest

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Speaker 1: with her, and I did monitor her if anything. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I was a little bit more relaxed. First of all,

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Speaker 1: Alison did not have the ADHD component that Megan did.

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Speaker 1: But Alison was a little bit more open than Megan was.

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Speaker 1: I remember I had to It took me several days

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Speaker 1: to ask her if she'd ever had thoughts of suicide

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Speaker 1: because my biggest fear was of her saying yes, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was going to do, and

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Speaker 1: so I had to take each thing and almost like

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Speaker 1: face my fears and try to work through it, because

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Speaker 1: I truly wanted Alison to try to live as normal

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Speaker 1: of a life as she could because she had her

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Speaker 1: you know, her whole world was turned upside down. Mom

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Speaker 1: and Dad divorced, her sister took her own life. The

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Speaker 1: entire world of media was in our faces, at our

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01:13:07,322 --> 01:13:11,962
Speaker 1: front doors, at every aspect the trial, everything, and I

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01:13:12,082 --> 01:13:14,682
Speaker 1: refuse to let her go on camera, I refuse to

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01:13:14,762 --> 01:13:18,202
Speaker 1: let them see her, talk to her, anything with her.

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Speaker 1: I did not want her to have to live that.

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Speaker 1: I wanted her to try to be as normal as

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Speaker 1: she could be. And so, you know, thankfully she did

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Speaker 1: do really, really well. Probably anybody that thought about bullying

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Speaker 1: her cyber bullying probably thought twice, probably because who she was,

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Speaker 1: you know, because they knew that my mouth was vocal,

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, I monitored, but it still did

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Speaker 1: not keep her from being picked on. You know, when

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01:13:49,042 --> 01:13:51,602
Speaker 1: she was in high school. It wasn't severe, but it

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01:13:51,642 --> 01:13:56,682
Speaker 1: was enough. But you know, she's twenty six now, and

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Speaker 1: I look back and I do think it was the

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01:13:59,602 --> 01:14:02,162
Speaker 1: right thing to do to allow her to have that

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Speaker 1: and in the right and normal ways, versus trying to

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Speaker 1: keep it from because she still would have figured it out.

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Speaker 2: One thing that struck me when I was reading about

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01:14:11,642 --> 01:14:13,922
Speaker 2: your experience is just how young you were when this

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Speaker 2: was happening. You had Meghan when you were twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Is that cracked? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I had Megan when I was let's see, I just

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Speaker 1: turned twenty two, and I had Alison when I was

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Speaker 1: twenty six. Yeah, it's a lifetime ago, but.

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Speaker 2: You know, so you were in your early thirties when, yes,

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Speaker 2: when you were going through all of this. That's just yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's incredible to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thirty six and you know, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: I've aged quite a bit. I can tell you. I

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Speaker 1: still don't feel like i'm fifty one. But you know

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Speaker 1: the thing is, I look back and I feel compared

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Speaker 1: to some people in this world. Even through everything we've

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Speaker 1: gone through, I am truly so blessed to have had

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01:15:04,522 --> 01:15:08,682
Speaker 1: Megan as my daughter, even though I wish she was here.

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Speaker 1: She taught me so much about life, and her life

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Speaker 1: continues too. I'm so proud of who she was continues

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Speaker 1: to keep helping to other people, and I feel as

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Speaker 1: sad as I am, as proud of her and the

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Speaker 1: foundation as I possibly can be. But yeah, I was young.

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Speaker 1: It flashed. The time goes by very quickly and some

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Speaker 1: days very slowly. Right.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to Maine Accounts, The Story of MySpace

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Speaker 2: and iHeart Original podcast Main Accounts. The Story of MySpace

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01:15:57,482 --> 01:16:01,122
Speaker 2: is written and hosted by me Joanne McNeil. Editing its

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Speaker 2: sound as I'm by Mike Coscarelli and Mary Do. Original

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Speaker 2: music by Elise McCay, Mixing and mastering by Josh Fisher,

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Speaker 2: Research and fact checking by Austin Thompson, Jocelyn Sears, and

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01:16:14,602 --> 01:16:19,682
Speaker 2: Marissa Brown. Show logo by Lucy Kintania. Special thanks to

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Speaker 2: Ryan Murdoch, Grace Views and the head Frasier. Our associate

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01:16:24,362 --> 01:16:28,202
Speaker 2: producer is Lauren Phillip, Our senior producer is Mike Coscarelli,

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01:16:28,562 --> 01:16:32,322
Speaker 2: and our executive producer is Jason English. If you're enjoying

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Speaker 2: favorite podcast platform Sadly, my MySpace page is no longer around,

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Speaker 2: but you can find me on Twitter at Joe Mick.

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Speaker 2: Let us hear your MySpace story and check out my book, Lurking,

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