WEBVTT - QB DEBATE! Ward + Sanders + Batman? Top 5: Quarterback & Tight Ends | Ticket to the Draft Podcast | Washington Commanders | NFL 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.680 On today's episode of Ticket of the Draft podcast, we're 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:06.439 talking my favorite position, tight ends. We're also talking quarterbacks 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.400 with Jeremy Green, one of the best draft analysts I know. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:11.200 By the end of the draft season he's gonna have 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.760 over seven hundred guys done. And we're talking is Shad 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:18.000 Or Sanders Batman. It all starts right now. 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:25.920 Welcome to the Ticket of the Draft Podcast. 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.160 I'm Logan Paulson here with justin guy, Jason and our 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:33.319 very very special guest Jeremy Green, who joined us at 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.040 the combine and helped us and got us that podcast out. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.440 And it's always great having smart people on the show. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:39.360 Jeremy, how you doing. 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:40.440 I'm good. 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:42.320 I don't know when the smart guys showing us, but 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.160 I'm really glad to be here. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.200 Well, I'll call you smart. You can call yourself dumb. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.720 That's totally fine. And just as a reminder, we are 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.400 presented by Seakeek this summer. Seekeeek has your ticket to 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.560 the best live concerts in the DMV at Northwest Stadium. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.720 Seakeek the official primary ticketing partner of Northwest Stadium. But 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.000 today we're doing tight ends Jason, and we're doing quarterbacks. 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:03.800 We're gonna start with tight ends because that's how you 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:05.319 tease the more important position. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.399 I guess, yeah, absolutely, And there's no one better to 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.640 talk to you than this than the highest riser at 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.559 the combine. The stock price just shot through the roof 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:18.560 with mister Jeremy Green here the ESPN draft nerd. Yeah, 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.000 he was a savior for us out there when we 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.679 had some technical difficulties, and he was also the guest 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.679 on our number one show so far this year, highest 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:31.039 rated show, this year, highest viewed show. I think it's 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:32.760 all about him. It's nothing to do with the Deebo 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.759 Samuel trade break. That has everything to do with him 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:36.200 being one. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:41.479 Yeah. So Jeremy, So before we got started, we were. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.559 Talking about kind of tight ends and how you felt 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.240 like this was a good one for people to kind 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.480 of get used to your process. And you know, tight 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.840 end is a really interesting position for me because I 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.400 played it. But I guess, let's start off at the 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.160 highest of levels, you know, like what kind of traits 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:57.880 are you looking for and how do you start your 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.920 evaluation process with a tight end? Because I think the 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.800 position and what's important for the position has changed quite 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.440 a bit over the last ten fifteen twenty years. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:11.680 Well, I'm not as I like a tight end that 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.400 can block, right. Very few of these guys that are 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.120 coming in is really refined blockers because the game is 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.239 so much different now than it was ten to fifteen 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.320 years ago. So you get a guy like Tyler Warren 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.720 that it makes me laugh every time I hear somebody 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:26.800 say he's a good blocker. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:27.640 No he's not. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.160 He's not a good blas matter of fact, he's abjectly 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.839 terrible at it. The only thing is that every other 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:35.680 tight end in this class is worse at it than 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:40.520 he is. So as you see that progression change where 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.720 you get way less guys that come into the league 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:47.160 as natural blockers. I think Terrence Ferguson is ant is 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.840 a more natural blocker. Not necessarily great at it, but 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.000 he's more natural at it. And I'm comparing him to 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:58.200 Gunner Helm, who I'm reasonably sure couldn't he couldn't block me. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.520 I'm and right now my. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.160 Forty's fallen in somewhere about seven oh seven to one, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.720 So that's really not awesome. But then I look to 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.919 a kid Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame that gets absolutely 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:14.560 no love. I would say he's one of the better 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.800 blockers in this class, which really kind of tells you 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.160 how low end we are on that tip, because this 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.560 is a guy that I'll say, when I first started 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.800 doing this ten years ago, Mitchell Evans would have been 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:32.520 a net negative as a blocker. Now he is a 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.760 better contested catch guy. He's got a higher run block 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.680 rate than the abject failures that some of these other 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.080 guys have, so he's almost more of a balanced tight end. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:43.320 Now. 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.760 Now we were talking about the difference in my process, 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.480 I coll probably seventy percent. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.720 Of the games you play. I do this with quarterbacks. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.720 I do with wide receivers, running backs, tight ends, basically 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.280 everything that's not an offensive line. 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.160 What you said seventy percent of the game, as you 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.440 watched seventy percent of the games that you just. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.600 Said, yep, and then I call them immediately. I'll watch 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.760 through the actual plays, Like I'm looking at Mitchell Evans 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.440 and when I did the film breakdown on him, So, 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.560 Miami of Ohio was out the window immediately, so was Stanford, 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:15.200 so as Navy. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:16.520 So it was Florida State, Virginia. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:17.400 Uh. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.040 The ones that I really looked at with him were Indiana, Georgia, 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:26.800 Penn State, Purdue, and Texas A and M. Because that's 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.360 the those are the only teams he played that you're 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.479 playing one on one, so you're getting a guy that 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.840 might actually play in the NFL. Some of these other 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.880 guys are gonna be selling insurance for Geico. I don't 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.040 care that you can light that guy up. That doesn't 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.960 mean anything to me. So I want to see what 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:47.520 you look like, not necessarily third round draft prospect versus 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.799 third round draft prospect, draftable talent versus draftable talent. 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.200 And those are the tapes that I really look at. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:58.159 Now, Jeremy, you were mentioning blocking in there and that 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.760 this class may not be great at blocking in your opinion. 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.160 So my question is, like, what do you look for 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.599 in a tight end? Is blocking like really high up there? 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.840 If you're a good blocker, you moving them up the board. 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.320 Because you mentioned before we started this show that the 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.600 guy sitting here with us, mister Logan paulsy And who 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.599 made a career out of just being a nasty son 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.039 of a gun at blocking in the run game. You 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.880 you said you scouted him at one point. You put 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:20.960 that in there, right. 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:21.440 I did. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.200 He was the best blocker in the class that he 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.680 in twenty ten. I think it was in twenty ten. 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:27.440 Yes, that's exactly right. 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:29.800 You were the best blocker in that class for me. 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.760 And the Logan Paulson of this tight end class is 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.240 Jackson Halls from Georgia Tech. 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:36.200 My favorite. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:38.480 I knew that was going to be your favorite. 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.760 I wrote him down of give Logan a chance to 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:42.640 say this guy's name. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:44.920 Yeah, I mean, he's a guy that I just enjoy 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.480 watching because he's super physical. And again, this is something 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:48.719 that I have a really hard time with. And you 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.840 talked about blocking in general, and I love your process. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.280 I love how you go through the games. I love 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.240 how you select the guys with draftable talent. The thing 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.479 that gets me is like Jackson Hawes is going to 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.120 be a good pro in the NFL. Like he will 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.440 have a role, he'll be the John Bates for some team. 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.400 He'll play ten years in the NFL. But and it's 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.279 an important part of the position. And he has soft hands. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.279 He's not a great rout runner, he's not a great separator. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.520 He's very similar to me as a player. The thing 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.880 is is like, you'll play ten years, but where do 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:18.120 you draft someone like that. Obviously, Jackson Hawes is from 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.600 Georgia Tech. He's was excellent in the run game this year, 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.720 really shows an aptitude and an intensity for it. But 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.400 you know, Jeremy, how do you weigh that, like, because 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.080 I don't. I don't think i'd probably take him before 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.599 the third or fourth round because again, the league doesn't 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.880 value that skill set as much anymore, even though it 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:35.680 is valuable to NFL rosters. 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.599 So the way that I build my board and I 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.520 just finished the initial big board, so I have three 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.200 hundred and twenty nine draftable grade. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:43.920 Now you're a psycho. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.000 You're a psycho. I am a psycho. I need a life. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.160 People see my wife and they go, good, lord, how 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.080 did you get a girl that attractive to marry you 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:55.239 when you are a psychopath watching Tommy fedone tape at 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:56.440 four am like a. 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.800 Lunatic as she's patient. 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.039 So the way I stack my board is I day 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.960 three for me is more specialized. Guys, all right, So, 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.440 whether it's Jackson Hawes that we were just talking about 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:15.239 that is a blocking specific tight end or leaquent Allen 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.520 the runback from Syracuse that I don't think he gives 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.280 you anything as a runner but man, he's got really 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.960 soft hands, and I'll use him as the third part 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.040 of a running back committee, and I could keep doing 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.440 that with different positions. That's what I'm looking for in 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.280 day three. So I'm looking at I've got Jackson Hawes 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.960 pulling up my board here. I have Haws in the 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.720 back end around five. Okay, so he's he's in a 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.520 really weird group because he's with I have four fifth 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.120 round tight ends. They couldn't be more different if they tried, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.320 But I think they all have a value right there, 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:51.520 depending on what you're looking for. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:52.800 So I love Hauls. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.120 If you're looking for the blocker Aronde Gatst that is 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:57.200 really just a big slot. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.760 So he's an interesting prospect too. 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.360 But that you said that, you kind of like put 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.960 guys there because of specificity, Like he's a converted wide receiver, 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.960 big dude, do you think he can consistently win those 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.080 one on one matchups versus man coverage. That's the thing 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:12.800 that gets me, because I do think he has some 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.400 there's something to him, and I think he's going to 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.920 get overdrafted because of the pass catching stuff. 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.440 I it depends how you look at him. I think 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.640 where people make mistakes with tight ends. A lot is 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.600 Aronde Gaston is, So they converted him to tight end. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.120 What actually changed about what he does? 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:31.440 Other than the. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.920 Two word or two letter acronym that they put beside 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.480 his name. He's a tight end because you told me 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.160 he's a tight end. In terms of his route tree 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.680 and all those things, virtually nothing changed. Yeah, So really 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.760 all he is is a big slot. He's a bigger 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.079 slower slot. Now the question is do you run a 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.240 scheme where that works. I'll give you a good example 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.840 of one that ties into the NFC East. The Raiders 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.160 ran a scheme for years where Darren Waller could win. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.400 Darren Waller was freakishly fast for a guy that. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:04.960 Was six'. 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.679 Six, yeah but then he goes to The giants And 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.520 giants don't run that, scheme so they're trying to play him. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.120 Inline he's not a big slot. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:14.560 Anymore. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.960 Now he's a really bad inline, blocker and it kind 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.080 of ran him out of the league because he couldn't 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.960 hold up physically to. That so if you're looking For 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.079 Ronde gatson to be a big slot, receiver you're, fine 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.440 AND i think he will. Win you're gonna have to 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:34.520 scheme some of that. Out SO i mean having a 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:39.240 receiver inside him Like Jalen lane From Virginia Tech Dante 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.600 thornton From. TENNESSEE i need somebody that can take that 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:42.840 safety over the top BECAUSE. 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:43.520 I want him on a. Linebacker. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.720 Yeah and So i'm gonna scheme that he's not gonna 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.080 play more than fifteen or twenty snaps for. Me that's 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.679 why he's a fifth round grade for. Me BUT i 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.960 can scheme that WHERE i get him into the right 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.120 spot and THEN i can use what he. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:55.440 Does. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:57.160 Yeah and so who are the other two guys you 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:58.720 have in the fifth? Round? There just as to kind 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.400 of finish this, Example. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:05.240 Gunner helm who he? Did he did sprain his. Ankle 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:09.360 i've seen the. PICTURE i Called shenanigans on the. Well 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.000 he sprayed his. Ankles so of course he ran a 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.280 four nine to. Five, nope that foot was not the right. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.840 COLOR i will give him a bullip on that four 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.560 nine to. FIVE i didn't love him to begin with 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.319 because he's A he's another one that's just a he's 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:23.080 a big wide. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.760 Receiver he's a, big slow wide. Receiver. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:29.439 Yeah and Then Tommy fanlon out Of, nebraska WHO i absolutely. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.199 Love, YEAH i like Fid on a lot. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.000 Too, yeah The, nebraska and Again helm's out Of, texas 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.480 And Orlando gats And Orandi gatz and excuse, me he's 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.600 out Of. Syracuse so that's a really interesting group BECAUSE 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.160 i think all those guys are PLAY nfl, minutes AND 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.120 i think that really illuminates kind of the QUESTION i 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.480 had for you at the, start which, is how do 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.400 you value that because those guys are GONNA i think 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.240 all those, guys maybe outside Of Gunner, Helm i'm probably 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.640 a little lower on than, you just again BECAUSE i 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.080 don't know what he does. WELL i don't think he 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.760 separates versus man coverage the way That, Ronde gatz And. 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.120 KEN i don't think he blocks in line the way 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.719 that you Know Jackson hawes can From Georgia. Tech, like it's, 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.520 interesting BUT i think all those guys will, play AND 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.080 i think that's really good value for the. Position so 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.120 THEN i guess my next follow up question would, be 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.080 like you, know now let's get in your top five is, 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.760 obviously where do you feel comfortable taking a tight end 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.240 because it's a position that's not necessarily super valuable because 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.160 of the. Contract, obviously you see people being successful The George, 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.800 kittles The Travis kelsey as you Mentioned Darren, Waller so, 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.880 like where do you feel comfortable taking the first tight? 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:31.079 End and, why, oh If i'm taking the first, One 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:36.080 i'm comfortable taking my number one at five? 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.000 Five is that because of the drafts weaker this? Year 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:40.040 or is that because he's that? 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:44.280 GOOD i have three elite prospects in this? Class, okay 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.079 So i've got so for, me anything over a nine 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.800 to five is generational. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.040 TALENT i have three of. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.560 Those and WHAT i get out too is one of 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:53.960 them a tight. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.760 End, NO i have a running back and a tight 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.280 end that are my four and five. Overall, okay and 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.280 they have just below generational. Number but then they get 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.719 dinged because they play a position that is not as 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.439 valuable to. Me, sure SO i multiply running back by 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.640 zero point eight, NINE i multiply tight end by point 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.640 nine to. Two so that brings your grade down just 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:22.360 a hair because of positional. VALUE i think a good 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.680 tight end that can that can play in, LINE a 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.480 good tight end that can play kind of the role 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.560 that they've tried to have For Kyle pitts and actually 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.040 do it well where you can win on the outside 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.800 that's such a matchup nightmare that WHEN i find one 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.520 of those, GUYS i almost don't even want to ding 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.440 them for being tight. Ends AND i think there's two 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.720 of those in this. CLASS i love, that and SO 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:46.640 i think that's that's a. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.920 REALLY i think that's that illuminates an issue that's going 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.160 around THE, nfl is positional. VALUE i love how you 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.839 have a multiplication set for. That, WELL i think that's a. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.280 REALLY i might adopt that actually moving, forward because that's so. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.160 Smart so let's start getting into the list a little. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.560 Bit let's go with your fifth tight end on your, 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:02.920 board and Then i'll tell you my fifth and we'll 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:03.520 kind of go through the. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:08.520 List SO i have three that are. Borderlines they've got 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.440 almost the same. Grade there's three tenths of a points 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:14.040 save right in them. All, Okay Harrold fannin at a buling, Green, 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.400 okay that would be technically my. Seven Mitchell evans And 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.559 Terrence ferguson have the same, grade so they're both my. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.959 Five, Okay, Okay Mitchell evans And Terrence. Ferguson, Okay so 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.600 let's talk About Mitchell. Evans i'm, surprised not, surprised that's 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.959 the wrong. Word you, KNOW i think he's a good football. 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:31.600 PLAYER i think when you watch, him you see some 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.240 of the stuff you talked, about the in, line the 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:33.880 pass catching. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.000 ABILITY i worry about the raw. HORSEPOWER i think the. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.600 Position one of the ways you talked about, is you, 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:44.400 know value is the running game is being, devalued but the, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.360 athletics the athletic traits of a tight end seem to 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.960 be more. Valued and so WHEN i look at, HIM 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.200 i wonder about his overall horsepower and if you can 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:54.840 get it done at THE nfl. Level and IF i 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.000 said that to, you what would you say to. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.520 ME i can't tell you that you're. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.840 Wrong that's the reason he's not higher for, me BECAUSE 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.120 i want him to be my three in terms of 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.840 just ability to play, football AND i don't really have 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.640 a way to quantify. THAT i look at a tight 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:16.160 end that has a seventy almost seventy three percent contested 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.760 catch rate in, college of you're not going to separate 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.880 particularly well at the next. Level But i've also said 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.840 that about a handful of tight ends over the. Years 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.880 one of the guys THAT i was the most dogmatic 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.120 on when he came. Out this is WHERE i got 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.480 the dubbing the tight end whisperer BECAUSE i couldn't believe 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.640 that nobody saw. It The Baltimore ravens took two tight 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.320 ends handful years, Ago Hayden hurst From South carolina THAT 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.120 i think already qualified FOR aarp when he got, drafted 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.960 and Then Mark, andrews AND i couldn't figure out why 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.760 are people not seeing? This With, Andrews he's a natural route, 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.680 Runner he's very. Crafty is he crazy? Fast? 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.160 No is he a great? 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.000 Mover? No but he knows how to play this baz 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.720 and he knows how to settle down over the middle 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.200 not get killed for one because he is a, bigger more, 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.960 lumbering slower. Guy AND i say the same thing With Mitchell. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.320 Evans he's just a really crafty tight. End And i've 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.840 watched those guys succeed in this league for a lot of. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:16.480 Years is it? 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:21.200 Risky, absolutely because he can't win with straight line. Speed 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:25.280 he's not going to win as a great route. Runner 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.400 he's going to win because he's a really smart football 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:30.440 player that knows how to play this. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.760 Position i'm really glad you brought Up Mark andrews because 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.120 he's a guy for me THAT i THOUGHT i totally 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:36.920 missed on the route running nuance when he was At. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.480 Oklahoma they didn't ask him to do a ton of, 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.040 stuff but his rookiear in THE. Nfl you saw the, 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.040 stems you saw the, breakdowns you saw him understanding his own. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.520 Coverage and SO i, mean if you Think Mitchell evans 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.680 has that those, traits like that's something that again that 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.680 would probably move me, up it would move him up my. 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:52.680 BOARD i haven't seen that. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.680 NECESSARILY i think it's more of an offensive thing for, 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.080 Me like they don't ask him to do a ton 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.960 of super, complicated nuanced stuff, There BUT i think that's 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.720 a really interesting value. Point, now let's talk About Terrence, 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.600 ferguson who is your other. FIVE i have him as my. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:09.120 FOUR i really really like him a. LOT i think 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.360 he's got kind of the opposite of what we're talking 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.800 about With Mitchell. Evans he's got kind of this athletic course. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.360 Power he's not as technically, refined but he's got this 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:20.320 kind of playmaker basketball athlete to, him WHICH i think 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.080 translates really well to the next. Level he's got the 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:22.520 length as. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.360 WELL i. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.560 Agree the thing that makes me a little nervous On 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.040 ferguson is THAT i think people are gonna fall in 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.080 love with the raw. Athletic the worst thing you can 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:38.520 be to me is. Overdrafted if you told me Where 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.360 Terrence ferguson, went, like you give me a pick. Range 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.800 if it's sixty to seventy, FIVE i think his. 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.280 Bus rates through the. Roof really every fifteen. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.160 Picks it gets better because you're gonna ask him to 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.200 DO i don't want a team to ask him to. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.600 Do it's like you, said he's not refined in. This 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:04.200 he's very much a Currently he's a really big kid 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.399 that is still learning the nuance of playing tight. End 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.919 he's the exact opposite Of Mitchell. Evans If Mitchell evans 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.880 was In Terence ferguson's, body we'd be talking about him 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.600 as to be or one, be or however you wanted 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:23.879 to quantify. It because he has natural ability That Mitchell 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.520 evans doesn't. Have the problem is THAT i don't want. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.000 Him i'll give you an. Example these are two very different, 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.960 players BUT i think they have very similar. Situations isaiah 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.159 likely a kid THAT i covered At Coastal. Carolina he 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.480 goes To. Baltimore he plays Behind Mark andrews for two. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.960 Years this is year. THREE i think. 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.240 If he had gone somewhere as a number one tight, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.679 END i wouldn't have loved him because he needed to 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.159 develop all of those. Skills isaiah likely was a basketball 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.359 player that played. Football it just so happened that his 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.400 body type fit better because he wanted. It as a basketball. 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.680 Player he was a host. Guy but he's only like six, 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.359 three six, four so he never developed as a post 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.159 because as time goes, On Terrence, Ferguson isaiah, likely all 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.119 these guys find the same thing THAT i. DID i 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.200 got to six' FIVE and. I stopped it's actually six 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.840 four and, some change but six five. THIRS better i 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.359 PLAYED like i was seven. Feet, tall well the problem 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.520 is that all these guys keep getting BIGGER and. I 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.280 didn't so The fact i'm, a big slow. Post player 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.440 It's The jimmy. Graham Rule jimmy graham was a great, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.520 post player. Insanely athletic he translated that into becoming a 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.879 great football player because he took the raw skills that 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.000 he had and refined them. Over time if you had 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.239 asked him to block, in line he would run him 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:42.920 out of the league because he couldn't do it right 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.439 if You Put terrence ferguson in the. Right Situation and 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.600 i'm gonna be honest, WITH you I think washington is the. 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.160 Right Situation if i'm. BEING hundredson i said THAT because 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:52.480 i KIND of i loved Him. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:53.440 IN washington. 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.520 I have your capital pulled up in front. Of me 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.159 BUT if i could get to it, pretty quickly if 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:06.240 you Told me washington took him with whatever pick you 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:07.080 have in the, fourth. 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.840 ROUND yeah i think we just traded in the trade 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.120 for laramytunsl we got to, pick back, SO yeah. I 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.159 agree i think that's kind of a luxury pick backup for. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:16.960 A year i think his skill set mirror Is what 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:21.000 zach does, really well or it's obviously he's got that 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:22.840 ability and they got, that UPSET and i do think. 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.160 He's raw and the OTHER thing i wanted to bring 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:26.640 up to you before we got into the Next person 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.800 i'll tell you my five for in a Second is 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.000 i'm hard pressed to think of a position outside of. 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.399 Defensive end tight end now is where we're talking about 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.920 that relies more on athletic traits in terms of translating 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.720 to the. Next level how much does that factor into, 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:42.720 your EVALUATION because i think it's one of those positions 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.439 again that like you see the athletes, be successful the 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.160 guys with the, long arms the guys with, the height 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.480 the guys that can run the four, to six they 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.000 are the guys that start AT the. Nfl level And 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.560 Obviously mitchell evans isn't, that guy you know? 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.320 For, Sure yeah so, FOR me i have three there's 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.280 three archetypes of. Tight end, for me there's the, hyper athletic. 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:07.679 Hyper talented then there's the hyper talented. Lesser athletic then 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.520 there's the, lesser talented. Hyper athletic fanin is the super 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.280 athletic Kid that i'm not sure you're all. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.240 THAT talented i. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.680 Think you've got a raw skill set that if a 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.959 team is willing to, develop it kind of like they Did, 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:23.639 with likely because that's who he reminds me of, a 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.600 lot then you're going to. Be fine the PROBLEM that 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:28.720 i Had with fannin WAS that i kept seeing him 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.480 in that forty five. Ish range he's not a second round, 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.080 tight end and if you put second round tight end 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.440 pressure on him where he's got to come in and play. 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.560 Right away So The jason morrow rule That the jets 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.439 drafted him years AGO and i, could not for the 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.960 life of me, figure out what are you seeing in? 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:51.440 This kid he's a, developmental five if, he's anything and 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:52.840 then you put the pressure on him and you ran 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:53.200 him out of. 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.640 The, league so in terms of who, you're four who's 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:59.040 your four? Right now is Is It harold fannin or 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:00.520 is he, you know he's? Your seven you said who's? 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:01.400 Your four fans. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.280 My seven Evans and ferguson are tied at five, for 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:05.760 me And Then mason taylor is. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:06.800 My Four So. 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:08.600 Mason taylor is, my FIVE and i want to just 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:10.879 Hit on harold Fan and junior. Real quick he is also. 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.000 MY seven i think we see it. VERY similarly i 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.600 think his film in college. Is good it's a, little 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:19.719 unconventional Played At bowling green not necessarily didn't test as 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.320 WELL as i. WAS hoping i think you need some 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:23.960 time to develop and find, a ROLE and i think 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:26.199 you need an offense that kind of is going to 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.080 be patient with him to kind of piggyback. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:29.359 On that let's Talk About mason taylor. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.399 Real quick but before we come, off FACE can i 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:34.159 just say. ONE thing i FEEL like i said a 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:35.600 lot of NEGATIVE and i always want to say a 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.200 POSITIVE when i. Have, it yeah two of the best 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.000 games fan and played were against the best teams. 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.560 They, Played Yeah penn state And Stateon. Texas ain now those. 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:48.200 Two tapes are enough for me to take him around 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:48.760 the top one. 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.719 Hundred, ish, YEAH no i agree. With that, and again like, 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:53.840 it's funny like you watch him At The, senior bowl. 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.680 He wins you watch him, in college. HE wins i don't. 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.879 Understand why it's not, overly technical it's not, overly clean 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:01.800 but he figures out a way to get. It done 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:05.400 and so you know that the tape doesn't, Lie Ultimately 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.080 and i'm gonna support that because he had A Good senior. 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.000 Bowl week and would you say you said this we Were, at, 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:12.120 indianapolis right, you said if, one off two of three, 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.040 Are good so, your combine your tape Or Your senior bowl. 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.040 Are good two of those three, Are good like we're. 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:18.520 Doing OKAY and i feel like he had two of 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:19.000 the three that were. 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:19.920 Pretty solid so. 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:22.720 He didn't ast as WELL as i wanted. Him, to 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:24.119 yeah it was A little i agree with you. 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.600 Hartily. There yeah so let's Talk About. Mason taylor he's 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:26.879 kind of. 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.639 EVERYONE'S favorite i saw him at the top of the 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:31.159 second round for a lot of these people in the. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.919 Mock draft he's in the top forty for, you know 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.399 some of these. BIG boards i don't necessarily. See that 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:38.919 i'd see a good. Football player how do you? 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:44.320 SEE him i had an evaluator FOR a nfc team 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:46.840 tell Me That mason taylor was the kid that they 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.080 were the most convinced was going in the first round 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:50.240 that no one was. 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:51.719 Talking about really not. 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.200 GONNA lie i don't think my jaw has come off 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.200 the ground since that was said. 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.520 TO me i don't see a first. 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.080 ROUND great i don't see, it EITHER but. 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:08.119 I see a. Raw kid let Me if i'm crazy, 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:09.960 on this you feel free to Tell me i'm crazy. On. 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.600 THIS yeah i had a Rule About. 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.639 ELI manning i have a lot of RULES because i 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.120 see GUYS and I go i've read this book BEFORE 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:22.439 and i didn't like. The Ending If mason taylor's Name Was, 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.320 mason smith would we be talking? 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:28.800 About, Him, Dude dude i'm on the same page. As 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:31.040 you i'm on the, same, page like let me just tell. 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:32.280 You this let me tell YOU what i think. ABOUT 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.320 him i think he's good, in line good in line, 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.840 he's competitive, he's tough he catches the, football well but 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.359 he's not a plus athlete and he's not great. In 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:45.040 line so he's a really, good PLAYER and i don't 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.120 know where you value that because, TO me i think 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.480 his ceiling is a guy like that's going to be. 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:51.920 Your blocking why that's not, as big or as strong 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:54.480 or as technically sound as a Guy Like. John BATES 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.800 so i, get again are you drafting. THE competitor i 0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:01.040 understand that his competitive tape, is excellent but to say 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:02.800 that he's going to go in the, FIRST round i 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.359 don't think he's a good enough athlete to. Do that 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:07.119 and THAT'S where i KIND of i don't know what 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:08.919 to do. With HIM because i like watching, THE film 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.520 i like. The player everyone says he's a. GREAT kid 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.399 i love, All that but how do you value that 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.080 if he doesn't have the athletic ceiling to get. You 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:18.480 there it's kind of the same thing we're talking About With. 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.119 Mitch EEVANS like I Like mitch, evans's tape, but like 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:23.240 if you don't have the athletic horsepower to get, it 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.560 done what's your role at the next level IN? 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:30.440 The nfl my biggest Question With mason taylor is if 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:32.760 Now that i've seen the measurables, on you and he 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.439 came in at six oh five one two, fifty one he, 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.359 didn't run which that's a story for. Another day some 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:41.840 of you guys are getting real bad Advice, on hey we. 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:45.080 Shouldn't run we'll run At, the no don't don't. Do 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:49.200 that it doesn't end well because one of the biggest 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.399 Questions On mason, Taylor, is okay so you've got all the, 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.920 raw measurables why were you never that red? 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.520 Zone? Threat sure when you had all of the things 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.320 that should be bumping. You up you played with, malite 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:07.000 neighbors you played with all of these really talented wide. 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.600 Receivers they HAD. At lsu why were you never the 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:11.880 red zone threat when you're drawing one on one, Coverage 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:17.520 consistently so you couldn't meet that consistently in college IN, 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:19.800 the sec which is the closest thing we have TO the. 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.800 Nfl game But now i'm supposed to believe that you're 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.240 gonna come TO the nfl playing against, better talent against more, 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.840 consistent talent and now all of, a sudden you're going 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:29.439 to become this red. 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:32.000 Zone monster that's hard for me to wrap my. 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:33.720 BRAIN round i could not have said that. 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:35.840 Better myself one of THE things i, look at especially 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:37.639 for the first two rounds in, a draft and this 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:39.400 Is where i'm a little bit Higher On terrence ferguson 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:41.959 is can you consistently win versus man and? Man Coverage 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:45.040 and terrence has shown his ability to, Do That mason taylor. 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:47.200 Has Not so i'm, always like if you're going to 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:48.840 be a red, zone weapon if you're going to be 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.639 a third, down weapon Think You're, george Kittles Your travis 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.320 Kelsey's Your, zach ertz you've got to win versus. Man 0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:58.119 coverage and if you can't do it in college versus, 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:02.600 lesser coverage PLAYERS like i. Don't know that is the 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.200 crux of. MY argument i don't. Understand it, and again 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:07.040 he's a good, Football, player jason what? 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:10.040 You got so just a guy coming in here that 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:13.679 has just a Guy question so no. Dumb questions but 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.600 this may, be dumb? All right could any of this 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:20.119 be the COACHING at lsu and what they're asking him 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:23.080 to do or are you, Strictly, saying okay the ball's 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:24.720 not thrown, to him but he's not a red zone 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:26.760 threat because you're not scheming him. That way is that? 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.800 Even possible because we Looked at Jane and daniels last 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:31.320 year and it, was like well he doesn't throw over in. The, 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.120 middle well they weren't asking. 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.480 Him to so with receivers and with, tight Ends, and 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:37.760 jerem you can Tell me. I'm wrong is you watch all. 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.560 THE routes i watch every route that they run usually 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.520 to see and if you're not separating on, third down 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:45.880 like on, a seam like do you have the good 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.400 nuance the lean, him out bend it? Back in are 0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.639 you using a? Good stem do you have a? Double 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:52.240 stick do you have the suddenness? And twitch like he 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.560 ran a five yard out and he caught, the ball 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:58.040 but it was like, this slow languid kind of Outcut and, 0:26:58.080 --> 0:26:59.000 i'm like A better dB. 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.480 Undercuts that that's. An interception and. 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.080 So sure it's that skill set that, you're like is 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.880 it in his body to? Do it is the thing that, Gets, 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:08.200 ME jeremy i don't know how you feel. 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.600 About that So what and this is one of those 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:16.080 things that tight ends are. A niche there are certain 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.880 coaches that are just not big on. Tight ends they'd 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.840 rather come out in five wides and have that pre, 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:23.960 snap mode especially, in college because it's so much easier 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.320 to do with there and they want to. Manipulate matchups 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:31.320 here's my problem with That With. Mason taylor how many 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:36.200 tight ends have we seen drafted Because Of brian kelly 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:37.040 He Made. 0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:38.440 Michael mayer it's a. 0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:40.480 Great point it's a, Great point. 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:42.920 TOMMY that i don't get to go with, down HERE 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.160 and i get to deal with him down Here. IN carolina, 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:46.960 i cannot for the life of me figure out how 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.320 anybody thought he was a top, hundred player because you 0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:51.800 really nest down what he Did At. Notre dame he 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.359 was a glorified fullback and that's what he's Done. In 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:58.879 carolina Cole, Commit, A Lse, mack durham smythe that's just 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:00.680 guys that were drafted Out Of. Notre dame by, the 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:04.560 way none of them outside of maybe the, first two 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:09.000 we're athletic enough to be high end. Draft Picks But 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:11.119 brian kelly made them. That way why couldn't he do 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:13.840 it With With, mason TAYLOR who i think athletically is 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.199 better THAN anybody i just said Not Named, cole, comet 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:17.960 Dude Because cole commett IS. 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:18.600 Like a he's. 0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.560 Like a it's like nicotine. FOR me I just i can't, 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.680 quit him no matter HOW bad. I, SHOULD. 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.320 No, i, Agree MAN and i think that's again he's 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:28.880 a conundrum. 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:29.879 TO me i don't know what to do. WITH him 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:30.199 i like. 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:31.520 THE player i think he's gonna be good IN. THE 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.320 nfl i just don't know what. HIS seal i think 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:34.640 he plays ten years IN. THE nfl i just don't 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:35.800 know what his. CEILING is i don't know if he's 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.760 ever like a fifty. Catch guy but who is? 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:39.000 Your? 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:43.800 Three uh my Three Is? Elijah ROYO and. 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:47.160 I have set the set the clock. By him look, at. 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:51.200 THIS SO i I have i have very similar takes 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.360 On a Royo, and taylor not because they're the. Same 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:56.880 player i'm gonna say something that's gonna sound a. LITTLE 0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.440 strange i love IT and I and i mean it 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.640 to the depths of. MY soul i really want to 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:08.600 pair these two up. WITH coaches i want to pair 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:14.440 you Up With dan Quinn And, cliff Kingsbury or sean McDermott, 0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:19.960 in Buffalo Or mike Tomlin, And Pittsburgh jamika Ryans. IN 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.400 houston i want to find a Coach that i'm not 0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:24.320 worried is going to get fired a year, from NOW 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.200 because i don't just need you to have. A plan 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.200 i need this to be like electing. A president i 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:31.720 don't just need you to have a plan for this 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:33.280 kid for the next. TWELVE months i need you have 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.760 a plan for him for the next four Years because 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.880 i'm going to invest capital Here that i'm not super. 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.440 Comfortable with i'm not comfortable with investing a second Round Picking. 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.440 Elijah royo i'm talking. 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.120 About that why? Is that why. 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:49.000 One year? 0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:52.760 Of production i've watched way too many of, these guys 0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:56.440 and he had. INJURY issues i feel like the MEDICAL 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.720 is i would love to get my hands on His medical. 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.560 I've heard the, seats insane like in a. 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.120 GOOD way i want, to say what, looks like just 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.680 does this kid have like? Mutant blood and like if you, 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:11.800 prick him does he bleed red blood like. 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:12.800 The rest, of US because i don't think. 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:12.920 He. 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:16.440 Does no at the, same time he had like five 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.760 catches in three Years at miami before. 0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:18.880 This. 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.280 Year no AND again i think That's really i'm really 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.200 glad you brought, that up because the injury history the 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.719 one year of production are. Huge things but his one 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:29.400 year of production. Was crazy we talk about having the, 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.320 athletic upside the athletic ability to win one, on ones 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:35.960 to stretch, the seam to compete. In LINE like i 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:37.560 will say he's not great, in line but he's big 0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:39.520 enough and he's competiti enough in line that you could 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.280 survive him with like as that Move f but it's 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.440 the matchups that he's able to create in, The offense 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.680 like if you come out in, twelve personnel they have 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:48.760 to match you. In nickel they have to match you. 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:50.920 In nickel they cannot put a linebacker on him because he's. 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.400 That fast he's that nuance as a. Route runner like 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:55.440 watching With The senior bowl live and in, living color 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:57.880 he's twitchy in the. Short area it's all the things. 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.160 You WANT but i love the Way that jeremy said 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:04.280 that because it's like all those things, are excellent but 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:07.040 he's been banged up and he's only had one year 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:08.640 of really good production with a guy who's going to 0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:09.120 be a top five. 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:10.240 Picker, quarterback like. 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.920 Those things are things that are huge. Red, flags again, 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:16.440 the athlete the, talent's there but can you Stay healthy 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.479 kenny could. HAVE done i have no IDEA but i 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:19.360 totally agree with what you're. 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.440 Seeing There elijah royo is one of. 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:25.000 Those players it's almost like The old goosebump books of 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.280 you go to this page to get the ending that 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.520 you want if you want to. Love him if you 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.040 want to, LOVE him i can give you a handful. 0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.000 Of tape you Watch The wake, forest tape you'll think 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.480 he's the second Coming Of. Rob, gronkowski yeah now you 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.280 put On the duke tape if you want to. Hate 0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:43.480 him but there that Tape With. Manny diaz he manipulated 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:45.440 that kid for sixty. 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:45.640 Four. 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:47.520 Minutes, yeah INTERESTING and i. 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:50.120 Love IT and i see those two tapes and it's 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.479 such an interesting dichotomy. For me and that leads to 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.240 the third round, for me the third rounds of the. 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.360 Honey HILL if i WAS AN, NFL gm i would 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:00.600 get fired in three YEARS because i would just a 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:05.320 year over year keep trading out one to accumulate assets 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.520 from about forty five to, seventy five because that's the 0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:09.640 honey hole seemingly in. 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:11.840 Every draft, to, ME dude i think that's one hundred. 0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:13.720 Percent right and that's something we've. Talked about JASON and 0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:15.640 i have talked about a lot with this, draft specifically 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.960 is like the, top is there's so much risk associated 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:19.600 with it because. 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:19.720 They all got. 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.480 A hit and there's nobody in this draft in the 0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.400 first round that you're like in love and. Love with, 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.160 but man there are some excellent football players in that 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:29.440 second and. Third ROUND so i think that's great analysis. 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:30.840 By You, all right let's GET into. 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.240 I not agree with that there's not guys in the 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.600 first round that you're in love in love With THAT i'm, 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.040 I mean i'm saying in roses to some of. 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:41.440 These, dudes, NO okay I Mean i'm i'm in love. 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.000 With them don't, get it don't get, me Wrong but 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:46.160 i'm saying it's not like the risk associated with the first. Round, 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.120 pick Sometimes like i'd rather have two second round picks 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:51.520 or two third round picks in, some years and this 0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:52.520 year feels like that a. 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:57.680 Little bit let's talk about. Year two, for me it's 0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:01.280 and it's. So CLOSE but I have loveland. At, TOO 0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.400 yeah i still. 0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:04.600 Love. 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.280 HIM yeah i think we get. 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:07.960 Into this. 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.960 We get worn down with guys that we have talked 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.560 about for this LONG and i look at all Of these. 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.680 MICHIGAN guys i never thought we were going to be 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.640 crucifying the Tape On will johnson the way that. We are, 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:25.000 oh YEAH and i think it's hilarious that he's gonna 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.000 end up falling to a good team that's borderline playoff 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.800 team because everybody's worried about how straight line fast he 0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:34.200 is when he's An off he's an off, Zone corner 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.240 so why do you care about how straight line fast? 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:40.320 He is, but whatever we get guys involved in the 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:46.560 draft that we call Him our CANADAN, because i for, 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:50.480 some reason cannot spell The. WORD canadian i always leave out. 0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:53.560 The eye so EVERY time i Say our canadan is 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:56.840 his Name's, not daniel which would make it better if. 0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.440 He was but he has a line of it is 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.840 free to, say stuff like it costs you zero money to, 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.840 say Stuff And colston lovelin kind of falls into that. 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:10.520 For ME of i hear people detegrate him for things 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.720 that don't really make a lot of sense. 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:17.520 To me but there's no there's no real substance to. 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:19.319 The argument so what's. 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.000 The argument the guy had no quarterback, last year he 0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:26.160 played through injuries last year and he was, Still good 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.879 like it's still really. Really, good yeah he was, Their 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:33.520 offense like he's just all they had it was him 0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.360 and two running backs that it was like they were playing, 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:38.279 ro shambos which one would? 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:39.000 Be Worse. 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.520 Just donovan Edwards And, khalail mulligs which one of us 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.960 is worse today from? Paper, scissors shoot oh? 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:49.640 It's me, Yeah yeah so for, Me Spoiler colston lovelin's. 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.279 My one and the THING that i came back to 0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:56.239 with him specifically is you're always looking for that, chess, 0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:58.879 piece right that, chess piece that joker piece in your 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.120 offense that could win versus man to man coverage that 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:04.560 isn't going to be a liability in the, run game 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:08.520 but ultimately can Do Your, travis Kelce Your george kittle kind. 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.400 Of stuff and of the GUYS that i Watched that 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.880 i've watched over the last couple, of years Even Including, 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.239 kyle pitts to, BE honest i, was like this is 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.799 the GUY that i have the most confidence in him 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:20.960 being able to, do that like some of the like the, 0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:24.520 route nuanced subtlety stuff that he was Talking that jeremy 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:28.520 was talking About With, Mitchell, EVANS like I think colson's, 0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:30.239 got IT and i think he's a. BETTER athlete i think. 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:32.719 HE'S bigger i think. HE'S longer i think he tracks the. 0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:35.399 Football BETTER so i just thought in terms of, a 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:39.320 weapon a pass, CATCHING weapon i think he's he's got 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.920 that it FACTOR that i don't think anybody else quite 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:43.400 has in this. 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:47.280 Draft class he's almost, six,' six yeah and he won't 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.480 be twenty one until either right before right. 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.120 AFTER draft night i can't. Remember this one so still, 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:52.640 a young kid. 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:56.400 Still developing kid and THE question that, i have asked 0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.319 and it's the tape, on my one is just SO 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:00.360 good that i. 0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:04.080 Can't help IT and, maybe I should because i do keep. 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:07.200 Asking the question i'm looking at My evol on loveland 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.719 right now and there's a there's a line at the 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:11.799 top of the page that's just it's a reminder for 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.319 ME of when i. Watched the tape this was the 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.640 thing that kept rattling around. In my Brain and on, 0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.879 loveland's it says how good would he Have Been? 0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:22.000 With, Drew aller. 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:26.200 Dude it's a it's a great it's it is THE 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.759 question AND i and, i for, ME was like, i 0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:30.680 don't know he's JUST got. 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.120 That nfl thing so let's talk. 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.279 About your one, no spoilers here You got some jason. 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.560 More, we, go yeah well before we get, INTO the 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:39.720 one i kind of wanted to set This Up because 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:44.160 colson loveland, Was your. One jeremy's two jeremy's one is 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.239 who we're about. To talk about hero. Is YOUR two 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.319 so i want you to start and tell me why 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:51.279 is your number two and not, your number One and 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:52.480 then jeremy's going to tell you. 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.680 Why, you're wrong, Okay, Ready, fight okay ready. Here we 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.320 go so just to, be perfectly clear both these, players, 0:36:58.320 --> 0:36:59.640 Are excellent right they're. 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:02.600 Excellent football Players loveland and. Warren are excellent SO the 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.600 thing i, Came to dude warren's film is a. 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.239 Blast to watch it's a. Blast to WATCH. 0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.120 Like he i said This before and i'm gonna get killed, 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:11.919 for It again but i'm gonna. 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:13.880 Say it again he reminds me a little bit Like 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:14.120 Of like. 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:18.480 Ron gronkowski light he's just bigger and stronger and better 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.000 than the people. He's playing against his ability to, win 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.080 contested catches his ability to compete in line in, the 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.840 run game to be, the wildcat quarterback all that stuff is. 0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.160 There for him he plays with, the right. Mentality THE 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:34.399 physicality like i Really. Really like warren but THE thing 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.240 that i kept, coming back to Is he so coulson 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:41.600 is a f with plus? Pass game upside Warren is 0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.719 a why with plus, pass game upside which means he's 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.719 a little, bit less athletic a, little BIT twitchy and 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.120 i think a little bit less likely because of those 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:53.279 athletic deficiencies to be featured in a pass game that's 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:56.400 going to make him a top ten player at the POSITION. 0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:59.400 In the nfl it's it's. A subtle distinction it's a 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:00.320 is he still going to be? 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:00.400 An? 0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.520 Excellent player absolutely but are you going to be comfortable 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.399 with lining him up all over the formation to? Create those, 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:08.520 matchups You know like jeremy talked about this with some of, 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:10.879 The other guys like coaching is going to be really. 0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:13.560 Important to that like if He Goes to new england, Ten, 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.919 years ago yeah he's going, To be excellent but there's 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:17.239 a lot of teams that don't know how to, use 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:20.160 that Position that blocking why, TO that level i think 0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:22.040 you can create a bunch of good. Matchups with them 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.560 not great, short area, quickness that's fine he wins. With 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:27.680 his size can you continue to do that? THE next 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.520 level i tend to think that guys who have high 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.840 contested catch rates in college don't translate WELL. To the 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:37.600 nfl and that's my only concern. WITH his game. 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:46.279 I cannot disagree with anything, you just said SO you 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:47.960 said i had to fight this out of why. He was, 0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:51.879 wrong all right here's where the problem. That comes in 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.759 this is almost like arguing about which one of my, 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:59.880 children IS cuter because i think they're. Both REALLY cute 0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:02.759 and i want to show you. ALL the pictures i 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:06.680 like one slightly better, than The other and i'll tell you. 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:12.440 WHY it's fit I Know where. TYLER warren's. GOING i 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.880 know i Don't know that i've ever been as confident 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.160 of a player in the top ten and where they're 0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:20.000 going TO go that I Am. With tyler warren where 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:22.840 he's Going to the, Jets at seven he's going To 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.360 Be justin. FIELDS cole comet. I know exactly i. SEE 0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.359 the path i watched the. FREE agency dollars i. GOT 0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:32.440 it all I Feel like john nash in a beautiful. 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:35.640 Mind right now the numbers are. SPEAKING to ME i got. 0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:39.280 I see it i can't Figure Out where, colston Loveland 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.879 goes and i'll TELL you where i think it's. 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:45.719 Going to be it's Going, To. Be indianapolis indy that. 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:47.400 Would be terrible that'd be. TERRIBLE for him. 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.600 I hate it so you have two quarterbacks who are 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.160 the best thing they do. Is run awesome that's that 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.480 is really conducive for a pass catcher got. 0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:59.560 In, at fourteen dude if He, goes to Indy. That'd, 0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.640 be yeah again this is where the draft is. Such 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:05.279 a crapshoot like let's say you flip those And You 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:10.359 say colson loveland Goes to the Jets and then Warren. Goes, 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.640 TO indianapolis like i feel the same way because, the 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:17.000 quarterback situation the way they're using the. Offense Isn't great 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:18.560 what I'd really like coulson and go is to go 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:20.440 in a little bit of a slide and either Go 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:23.160 to the commanders that won't happen or Go To. THE 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:28.840 denver Broncos I Think peyton sean payton really would understand 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.000 how to use that skill set at a high level 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:32.680 and you get a really nice productive year from. Both 0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:34.600 OF them but i think that's a Great. 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BEEN waiting 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:09.080 for i think tight ends are way more exciting than. 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.239 Quarterbacks This, year but jeremy let's do a, really high 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:14.719 level like what you're looking for, in a quarterback, just 0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:16.839 high level kind of a couple bullet points and we'll 0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:17.600 get INTO top five. 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:21.600 I feel, like AND now look i have over the. 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:25.280 LAST few years I can't say i have been the most. 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.960 Accurate with quarterbacks i'll just say the list of guys 0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:31.520 that have been more accurate than me is, very very 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:33.080 short and you could probably put it. 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:33.839 ALL to time. 0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.040 I love it I Did have jaydon daniels at, one 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:38.920 LAST year and i, Can, prove. 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.480 That yeah that IS that's, why i mean you said 0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.080 that on, our last show and we're here, for it man, 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:45.120 Because we agree. 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:49.200 SO go ahead i feel like quarterback is the one 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:54.440 position where dudes start doing dude. 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.080 Things and lie explain TO you what i. MEAN by that. 0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:00.600 A single guy will meete a pretty girl in a 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:03.680 bar and she could have a severed head, in her 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:06.200 trunk and if, SHE'S cute enough i. 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:12.920 Can fix her, Like it's, fine, I'm GOOD yep but 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:14.200 i still have a. 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:19.120 Lot, Of questions why like there are so many, women 0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:20.920 out there why do you have to have the axe 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:23.120 murderer with a head in the back? Of a buick 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.319 and that's KIND of how i fall in on at 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:27.800 least one of the high end quarterbacks. 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.239 In this class you Ask me what, I'm looking for 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:32.520 just do the. 0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:39.760 Basics so well you should not have huge categorical flaws. 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:44.680 In Your game cam ward does, not have. Big, SCREAMING 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.280 flaws yeah i think he's limited. 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:48.920 SURE in that i. 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:49.400 DON'T know. 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:52.040 THAT i don't i think, he's a good. NOT great 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:55.000 athlete i think he has a good. NOT great arm 0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:58.080 i think he's he could really spin it when. He's 0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:02.360 in rhythm i'm fine with. All of that that's a. 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.759 First round, quarterback to me there's not another one of those. 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:09.479 In this class there's just not there's not a first. 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:12.360 Round talent, here and. LOOK my two i, love my. 0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:15.239 Two my two. I'm doing. THIS say anything i got 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:19.239 the boombox. Outside the window just, come, love ME bro 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:22.520 because i really wanted you to go to like one 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:24.040 of eight teams and it's gonna be. 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:24.440 None Of them but. 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:26.399 I'm be sad so let's get, into IT then BECAUSE 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:28.919 i can't i. Really can't wait, And this year i'm to, 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.960 BE perfectly candid i have not watched as MUCH quarterback 0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:35.040 as i NORMALLY watch because i don't care that. Much 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.319 This year so i'm gonna give you my super. High 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.120 level takes jason has watched more quarterback than. Me this 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:42.680 year so we're going to. Get ON this but i think. 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:44.479 Let's get going you got, Something, TO say. 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.359 Yeah i think the best way to do this is 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.799 to do like just say what, quarterbacks you like and 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.960 like just say, You're, top five jeremy and then like whichever, one, 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:56.560 you're like oh let's talk. About this guy let's just. Talk, 0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.520 about him okay like a, LITTLE less structured i guess 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.279 than the ends Because here in washington we don't, care 0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:04.960 that much so let's just hit. 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:08.000 The hot Topics so auguess, I'll, go first jeremy and 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.160 then you can Tell me. If i'm wrong so my 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:13.160 Top five is, milroe, as? 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:18.719 Five right? Shuck oh shuck Oh, From uh? 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:19.799 Waitrose, you're? 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:23.239 Five yeah dude who else? Would? You, are yeah like 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.400 then give, me, a, second here guy give. Me a, second, 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:26.759 Come on shuck. 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:33.640 I'm, Gonna, go shador dart and Then obviously cam ward 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.160 at One is my those are, my five there and 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:36.879 then now, you, tell. 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:41.440 Me wait, we, agree, one, ONE three. Four i have, 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:44.799 Ward is one dart, Is my two chadur, Is, My 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:46.040 three tower shuck? 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:46.560 Is, my, four? 0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.279 Okay okay perfect then? Who's? 0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:48.440 Your? 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:48.680 Five? 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.239 QUEEN yours dude. I like. 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:56.239 It let's talk let's talk ABOUT him because i actually like. 0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.359 Him a lot so let's talk. ABOUT that one. I 0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:02.160 like that let's start THERE because actually. I totally forgot 0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.040 i did. An evaluation him milroe was. A lazy one 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:06.920 i'm GOING to say i was Being. Lazy with milroe 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:08.640 i'm backing out. On that now. 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:12.200 So My Great. 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:15.759 On jalen milroe if it could, HAVE been negative i 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:16.680 would have made it, a. 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:18.480 Negative dude it's a tough, film to. 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.200 WATCH no doubt i THINK the thing i SETTLED in 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:23.120 on i think it was a little bit more predictive 0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:24.640 with THIS on who i LIKE where that i think 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:28.600 the order they. Will actually Go, AND with milroe i, 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:31.719 SEE the athlete i see. THE arm, talent i, THINK 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:33.520 like you i think fit is going to. Be really 0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.600 important like can he go to, a spot, like For 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.719 example like philly and be the backup there for three 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.719 years and grow and develop in an offense with a really, 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.320 Good Offensive line LIKE that's where i see him going 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.279 because the. Talent IS there but i think the like 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:50.200 the thing you said at the, beginning OF this which 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:52.840 i think is the most important thing with a quarterback 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:54.040 is can they do? 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:54.160 The? 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:54.960 Easy stuff. 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:59.000 Well he does milroe does the high, level stuff well 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:00.160 but the easy stuff. 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:02.120 Is not good is he. 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:06.000 Like an old O'dule's Version? Of, Anthony richardson yes like 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:09.600 he's just he's, just, very athletic right he's, an elite 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:12.440 runner but he's, not as big, not as fast and. 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:13.520 HE'S not accurate i. 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.120 Want to get jeremy', stut on this, But For me 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:19.040 anthony richardson was a unicorn, ATHLETE unicorn terms i. 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:20.799 Would pay, That, that's why Yes It's. 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:24.520 Not, ANTHONY richardson yeah. 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:25.799 I don't know i kind of feel like that's. A 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:27.600 good comparison what Do You Think jeremy. 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:30.560 Jalen milroe Does look like anthony richards and if he 0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:36.640 was about eighteen beers deep. On his film so the background, 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:40.880 On my computer i'm a, Reasonably TECHY guy so i 0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:46.480 made a gift of the Opening Interception of Jalen, milroe 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:50.600 against vanderbilt which is legitimately The worst throw. 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:52.040 I've ever seen. 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:54.480 Not a great thing if you if you put that 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:57.080 with a bunch of, EIGHT year olds i would be 0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:59.880 yelling at, the kid's dad going what? Is he doing 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:03.680 and you Did. That at alabama that's the background on 0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:07.640 my computer of it just spins constantly of do Not 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:09.360 Fall for jalen milroe. 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:10.960 Under any circumstance. 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.120 Now, you say that but what if he falls into 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:16.120 like a very late round and, like You're saying like 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.520 philly takes him or, Someone like, That, it's like okay 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:20.919 it's worth a shot. With this guy you're not paying 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:22.640 im any what's the? 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.680 High Side there and i'm just gonna use the example 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:29.200 that you, Gave All right So Philadelphia, had kenny pickett 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.480 who they've now traded for a Draft. Pick, to cleveland 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:36.640 Yes they have TANNER McKee that i believe. IN a 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:39.560 Lot i think tanner McKee will be a starting quarterback 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:40.400 in this league before it's all. 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:40.680 SAID and. 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.439 Done i Agree so now i'm Gonna take mill row 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:48.680 as like a developmental three that's gonna get five percent 0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:52.440 of snaps, outside OF camp and i don't think he's 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:54.680 ever going to. DEVELOP that way i think he will be, 0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:57.440 A DECENT runner like i can run the. Veer with 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.840 Him So if lou holtz started OACH in the nfl 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:02.560 Would have a. 0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:05.279 I'd be giddy but that's. 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:06.880 ALL he is i think that's THE thing is i 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:09.560 think so he's on the list because the, talent for 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:11.440 me that's why he's on the list is. The TALENTS 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:13.960 there But i think i've broke my own. Rule WITH 0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:17.040 him Is i think jeremy brings up, a great point 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:19.520 is is it possible for him to get where he 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.400 needs to be SERVICEABLE at the nfl level and the 0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:25.120 processing is. A little slow, like the athlete the arm, 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.200 talent's all there but it's that's the thing with quarterback 0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:30.000 is you're not going to get a lot of, Opportunity 0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:31.600 to develop like we just talked, about tight ends like 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:33.879 you'll have a couple of years to, figure it, out 0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:37.400 you know to kind of like set in develop the 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:39.880 find a, role for you even if, it's not great 0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:41.600 even if the coaching staff, on the level like if 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:43.320 you're drafted in the, first three rounds they'll give you 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:46.200 three years to. Figure it out, but the quarterback it's not. 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:48.520 Really like that, and SO again like i don't know 0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.640 if he, Ever gets there like watching him at times 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.760 like just with reads and, seeing the. Field it's painful 0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:57.479 but he is a special talent in terms of. Throwing 0:48:57.480 --> 0:48:59.440 the football he's a special talent in. Terms of running 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:01.680 so maybe you bet on those traits and figure out 0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:03.640 let's talk. About your five let's. Go quinin yours what are? 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:03.959 You seeing? 0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:08.480 Him the man the good, is really good the bad, 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:14.279 is really bad but he can. Absolutely spin it AND 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:17.680 the thing i come back to with yours is he's 0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:19.800 kind of In That. Like cole, COMET for me i just, 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:21.880 can't quit you no MATTER how bad, i want TO 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:26.200 because when i watch just, the raw tools the raw 0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:28.440 talent take take everything out. 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:29.200 Put it all. 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:33.400 In a vacuum how many players in college football can 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:36.000 spin it better Than quin yours and. It's, not many 0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:39.440 yeah it's. A great point pressure grade. Is not good 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.480 you put pressure on him and. Bad things happen but 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:47.160 when it's. All clean IT here's what. I don't understand 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:49.640 i don't understand how somebody can tell me that They 0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:53.239 Love shed or sanders And They hate quinn yours when 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:54.239 they're literally. 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:56.440 The same guy it's. 0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:57.960 A good point it's it's a. 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:00.360 Really good point like it is funny HOW people get 0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:02.880 i don't know bias is, the right word but they 0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:04.719 kind of get in these like rhythms WHERE it's like 0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.799 i don't like these things, about this player but this 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:10.200 other player does exactly the same thing and you don't 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:10.560 and you're. 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:13.240 OKAY with. Him i don't i've always that's. ALWAYS baffled 0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:14.040 me i think. 0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:14.640 When we get into. 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:16.960 Very lazy comps one of the things that has always 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.759 irked me to no, end is that, especially with quarterbacks 0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:22.880 we only compare quarterbacks to other quarterbacks that. 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:24.440 Look, like them yeah. 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:27.880 That's Not Accurate quin you Weres And shed or sanders 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:30.759 do not look anything alike until you watch them on, tape, 0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:35.520 and go huh every, deficiency you have. You have right, the, 0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:37.160 DIFFERENCE is well i think one. 0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:38.000 Of them is. 0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:43.160 One of them has a medical that scares me to 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:45.359 death with YOU wors because i feel like he gets 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:49.000 hurt about. Every, third game yeah and that's it's hard 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:51.320 for me to get on board with that because you're getting, 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:52.880 Hurt in college you're gonna get hurt in. 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:54.799 THE pros too i don't know if you didn't, DRINK 0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:55.640 enough milk, i don't know if you. 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.440 DID nature wheaties, i don't know if you didn't Listen 0:50:57.480 --> 0:50:58.880 to hul cogan when he was telling you that when, 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:02.160 WE were kids. I don't know but there's something about 0:51:02.160 --> 0:51:05.879 that kid that there's a lot of there's a lot 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.680 of brittle. To queen youwers that's really the only difference 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:10.920 between shadu or and, Yours FOR me. 0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:13.239 So i wanted to bring this up real. Quick with 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:14.920 yours THE one thing i DID get when i was 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:18.520 watching him a little bit is. The anticipatory throws and 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:21.640 again they're not a big feature. Of that offense he 0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:24.359 doesn't do, it a lot which makes me. A little 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:26.719 bit THAT'S something that i look for In quarterbacks like 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:29.040 jeremy talked about the things. HE'S looking for i look. 0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:32.440 FOR anticipatory throws i look for. REQUISITE arm talent i 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:34.960 look for kind of an. Innate playmaking ability whatever That 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:39.040 gen sa qua. That magic is but the anticipatory throws for. 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:42.440 Me are huge and again again it's not a huge 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:45.040 Feature of. The TEXAS offense but i didn't see it 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:45.640 to the SAME. 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.000 Level that i Saw. It with shador what would you 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:48.480 SAY to that. 0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.319 I don't love I. 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:55.760 DON'T love sarkasian i love him as, a COLLEGE coach 0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:58.759 and I think sometimes i say THINGS and people i 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:02.880 don't necessarily. Explain IT appropriately if i had a kid 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:07.360 that was a five star, Blue Chip prospect steve sarkeysan 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:09.200 would be on the very short list OF guys that 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:13.719 i would want. Coaching him up, that being said he 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:16.000 does not have a great track record OF coaching. Up, 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:21.239 nfl quarterbacks yeah and he's, had some talent and it 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:25.200 just kind of feels like the. Talent Never develops And 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:28.160 that's where i'm. AT with, viewers i mean in terms 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:30.320 of as a, high school prospect this was one of 0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.560 the highest rated prospects, we've ever seen and He goes 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:36.759 to texas after That Year, at ohio state and it's 0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:39.600 felt like. HE never developed i also don't understand why 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:42.360 guys commit to programs where they're the fifth quarterback in 0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:43.120 line like He Did. 0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.640 AT ohio state i don't know. 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:49.080 Why you think that's, Going To work but i've watched 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:52.760 it not, work ENOUGH times and i think youwers falls 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:56.040 into that of you had that weird kind of Forgotten You're. 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:59.439 At ohio state he dropped out. Of school early this 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:02.080 was one of the first when the transfer portal really. 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.440 Became a thing this was one of the first. Prizes 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:07.239 of it He goes to texas and it just never 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:09.279 it always felt kind of, clunky to me. 0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:13.160 And it never felt he was the best in. 0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:16.839 His Biggest games, that georgia tape if you can Watch 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:21.440 him against georgia the second TIME in the sec title 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:26.720 game and not, just absolutely good THAT kid's. An nfl 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:31.919 quarterback it was about as good of A tape as 0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:35.200 i saw from a quarterback. This, Entire process SURE but 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:36.959 then i went and went And Watched the OHIO state, 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:42.160 and i realized if you had even been a fraction 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:44.640 of what You, were against georgia you Would Have. 0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:45.680 Beaten ohio state. 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:50.239 The inconsistency with him is ALSO something that i had a. 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:52.480 HARD time with i, don't get IT like, when i, 0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:54.920 understand like why like you're hurt or there's a, lot 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.480 of pressure or your offensive lines banged up you can't, 0:53:57.520 --> 0:53:59.799 run the football or the receiver's hurt or, Whatever IT 0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:02.880 is like i understand THE inconsistency when i don't understand 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:05.680 when it's not, clear to me like why one game 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.560 you look like the second coming of, Whoever You, want 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:11.160 joe montana and this next game you look like you 0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:13.360 shouldn't BE. In the nfl that always makes me a 0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:14.719 little bit. Nervous as well. 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:16.279 Yours is the definition of the. 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:20.880 Hot, crazy scale, Yeah all right So. 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:22.680 Four is shuck is? This Your? 0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:28.400 Name, Tyler Shuck yes Tyler. SHUCK from louisville i, Really, 0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.480 LIKE him like i really like. Him a lot like he, 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.920 spins the, ball he's fast you can run some quarterback run. 0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:37.759 Stuff with, him HE'S big like i think you see 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:41.000 the anticipatory, throws on tape like he elevated That, offense 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:44.040 said louisville like did a lot of. Really good things 0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:47.960 but he is old and he is. Hurt a lot 0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:49.120 how do you. 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.399 Feel ABOUT him so i said something the LAST time, 0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:54.319 THAT i was i was on, with YOU guys and 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:55.640 i DON'T know IF i just. 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:58.080 I don't know i DON'T know if i was. DRINKING 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.879 that day I don't. Think i was so he does 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:07.279 have three, season ending injuries but. 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:08.919 They. 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.279 Weren't ligament issues it was two collar bones and. A 0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:16.840 broken fibula i don't worry about that as much long. 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:18.360 Term THE bone and i DON'T know if i just 0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:20.440 put that in, MY note. WRONG i don't i went 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:21.759 back and listen to, that and WENT why did I 0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:26.279 say that? That's not true. 0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:29.800 He doesn't have the he doesn't have weak knees or. 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.360 ANYTHING like that i think He may have it's. Possible 0:55:32.400 --> 0:55:34.239 his bone his bones are a little bit brittle, because 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:38.080 collar bone two collar. Bones is weird that's not a 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:40.040 normal thing to see from a kid that's twenty. 0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:40.960 Five years old. 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:46.279 That tends to happen, to older players because as, time 0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:50.120 goes on your bones. Become More Brittle and aaron rodgers 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:53.279 he'd had no issue until he was, like thirty five thirty, six, 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.759 years old sure and then he had two of them, 0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:57.799 in five years one of Them, with the jets one 0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:01.799 of them with The. With the packers that is. Unsettling 0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:04.640 to me but in a QUARTERBACK class that, i believe 0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:10.280 in this little seeing the, Raw in. HIM i'm, good 0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:13.080 i mean and, it wasn't he but he all of 0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:15.560 a sudden in his age, twenty five season he was 0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:16.520 better than everybody. 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:18.600 On the field those guys scare? 0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:18.840 Me to? 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:22.160 Death can he pickett WAS never an nfl quarterback until 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:24.160 he was two or three years older than. Everybody's, PLAYING 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:27.680 against sure i run away from those guys. Like active grenades, 0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:30.200 IN no way i won't take them in the. First 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:34.920 five rounds the bust rates like. Ninety five percent schuck 0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:37.879 was good even when. He was younger he just. Kept, 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:38.719 getting hurt. 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:43.799 Jeremy let me Ask You. ABOUT jackson dart i think 0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:45.600 this is the next one. On our list We're gonna 0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:49.520 Save shugar and kim because they're the top two across. 0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:51.600 Most NATIONAL media but i want to ask you about 0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:55.160 him because you're Very high On. Dart, from mississippi. 0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:56.440 Yes he's my number two. 0:56:56.440 --> 0:57:00.600 In this class he is the one quarterback in this 0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:06.040 class that doesn't wilt like day old flowers when the pressure. 0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:07.840 Gets TURNED up and. 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.040 I get it everybody, wants, to say well he was 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:12.120 in a pick and Pop Offense at old miss and 0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.520 he didn't really even have to, think about anything and 0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:18.280 look at how good. The, receivers were, okay all right 0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:21.280 you DO realize that i can say everything you just 0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:22.840 Said about, schdor sanders. 0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:25.800 Too and probably even in terms, OF receiver talent i, 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:28.080 think they're like all four of his receivers are getting, drafted, 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:29.800 this year right, probably you think. 0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:32.520 And we'll be priority. Undrafted, free agents. 0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:35.160 Yeah and then one of The Dudes from old, misses getting? 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:37.160 DRAFTED right? AM i am i off on That. 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:40.640 You'll get Watkins, you'll get Wells You'll, get trey. 0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:42.480 Harris all those guys. THAT get Drafted I think. 0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:44.080 Trey harris will Go. 0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:47.960 Into twin wells he ran so poorly that he may, 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:51.280 not get Drafted and then watkins, ran really well which 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:53.760 probably GETS him into, i don't know. 0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:56.640 Middle, of SIX yeah but I guess what I'M saying, 0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.520 is i Felt After watching old miss And after, watching 0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:02.800 colorad know the Receiver TALENT at colorado i, thought was, 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:06.280 BETTER you know i thought, It WAS better so i think. 0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:08.280 IT was equivalent i can't say it was better because 0:58:08.280 --> 0:58:12.000 they Didn't Have, A trey Harris I, mean TRAVIS hunter 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:16.520 but i also look AT, In the sec i'm playing 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:19.160 a much higher. LEVEL of defense i put Nothing Into 0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:22.760 the big TWELVE solely because i think with ALL the prospects, 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:24.680 I have GRATED i think i have like eight Guys 0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:27.800 from the big twelve that are, draftable defensive players and 0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:31.160 one Of Them, is travis hunter who is everybody as 0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:31.960 good a receiver as he. 0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:35.040 IS a corner i don't put a lot of. 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:38.320 Stock, IN that yeah i just don't understand why the 0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:41.920 pick and Pop thing with dart is such. A big 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:45.160 deal but then people will just kind of admit That, 0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:48.040 with with shduur Which Is, with sean lewis that's exactly 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:49.360 what he was doing the. 0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:51.040 Exact, SAME offense. 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:54.560 Yeah i don't get that because The tape, on DART'S 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.800 better and i don't think it's. 0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:58.120 All that close it's. 0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:00.200 A great point i think you see more throws. DOWN 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:02.760 the field i think When you watch shador it's there 0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:04.960 are throws, down the. Field no doubt but the offense 0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:07.560 Is Much more what i'm going to say Is like, 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:10.880 a texas offense, much more horizontal like, lots of screens lots, 0:59:10.880 --> 0:59:13.439 of UNDERNEATH stuff and i think he does a great job, 0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:15.080 of reading short does a great job of reading. That 0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:16.640 STUFF out but i do think you see a little 0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:19.040 bit more dynamism Is the word i'm. 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:21.160 Gonna Use with jackson dart in terms of pushing the football. 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:22.920 Down the field that ball kind of comes off his 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:26.160 hand with some more RPMs like the, far hash comeback 0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:27.360 all that kind of stuff you'll SEE at. 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:29.120 THE nfl level i just think there's. 0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:31.880 More volume there it's kind of one of THE reasons 0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:34.000 THAT i like jj McCarthy last year a LITTLE bit 0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:36.280 is i felt like he could do MORE of, the 0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:39.760 NFL stuff and I Feel like jackson, dart in college 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:43.040 even though the offense is, a good offense it's, a 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:45.880 simpler offense has a little bit more, of that stuff 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:48.880 of the physical. Stuff on tape. 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:53.080 So Let's move To. Schaduran Cam ward and i'm going 0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:55.280 to start this One off because i'm, just a guy, 0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:58.640 not the expert and most just the guys out there 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:01.760 and the casual fan like me that's sitting around sees 1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:04.400 these guys as one two And They see shdura sanders, 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:07.360 and they're like, that's, A guy right SO what do i. 1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:09.760 SEE from, Him i mean mike. COMP for him i told. 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:12.720 You this once logan is Like he's the. Batman to 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:17.080 me he, has no superpower but he has A lot, of, 1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:22.120 He's rich right like he's. Rich with Talent he's got dion. 1:00:22.400 --> 1:00:24.680 Helping him Out He's got travis, hunter with him and 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:28.160 he's good, at almost everything but no superpower and can 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:30.040 get the crap beat. Out of him if, He's not 1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:33.680 careful bane can. Break his back so that's KIND of how. 1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:35.720 I see him if he goes to. A Good situation 1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:38.960 like i'm, thinking to myself, maybe this guy, He's got 1:00:39.240 --> 1:00:41.880 tools he's got, the tool belt he's got, the. 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:42.480 Bat belt he's. 1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:45.280 Got the batmobile like he's got some. Of these, things 1:00:45.400 --> 1:00:49.160 this ATHLETICISM and like i think that's what people kind 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:51.280 of bet on with him and what. They look at 1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:52.680 but he does take a lot of hits and a 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:54.640 lot of sacks and holds onto the ball and not 1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:58.920 all of that is. The, line's fault JEREMY? Why am i? 1:00:59.120 --> 1:00:59.680 This is why i'm. 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:00.000 Just a guy. 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:03.040 You're an expert Tell me if i'm seeing this Right or, 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:05.920 if i'm wrong or let me let me. Know. Your 1:01:05.960 --> 1:01:07.000 feedback here. 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:08.920 I'm more angry that you just took A. SHOT at 1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:12.800 batman a shadow of it out MY favorite super I have. 1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:16.320 A batman Tattoo. I love batman batman doesn't. Have a, 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:21.560 superpower He's loaded and I'm Convinced, that elon musk when 1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:23.600 he gets tired of messa, with the government he's gonna Become. 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:26.640 Real life batman you just go throw on the, SUIT 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:28.920 and go, I got money, let's do this. Make it, 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:34.280 Happen UH shoulder So i have there are there are 1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:36.600 a FEW stats that i use with quarterbacks that are. 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:40.800 Almost like disqualifiers and the first one is gonna sound 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:45.240 REALLY wonky when. I Say it shador sanders turnover worthy 1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:48.160 play rate was one. Point three percent. 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:49.600 That's a. 1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:54.600 Disqualifier for me why because it means you. Take, no 1:01:54.720 --> 1:01:57.680 shots ever it's THE same problem I Had. With caleb 1:01:57.720 --> 1:02:03.640 williams you are safe to a point of almost completely 1:02:03.640 --> 1:02:06.560 hamstringing yourself because you're so worried. 1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:11.600 ABOUT throwing interceptions i watch him on tape and there's a. 1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:17.560 Lot of screens there's a lot, of manufactured touches there's 1:02:17.600 --> 1:02:20.480 a lot of, dink and dunk there's a lot of 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:23.520 THE best tape i Ever saw shedor standers was when 1:02:23.560 --> 1:02:25.120 he was able to stay in the pocket for two and. 1:02:25.160 --> 1:02:29.840 A half seconds that doesn't HAPPEN. In the nfl you're gonna. 1:02:29.840 --> 1:02:33.360 Get heated up and when he, gets heated up he 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:36.240 turns into a. Non draftable, quarterback to me he starts 1:02:36.280 --> 1:02:38.240 turning his back, to the line which for Me is 1:02:38.360 --> 1:02:43.959 the that is like. The unforgivable sin when you start doing. 1:02:44.000 --> 1:02:47.720 That bailout, thing and look there's some quarterbacks that, Are 1:02:47.760 --> 1:02:51.400 Athletic enough lamar jackson can get. By With it Shadoor Sanders. 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:55.560 At lamar jackson so when you, start doing that that's 1:02:55.600 --> 1:03:01.040 a complete breakdown of, all things mechanic because now you're 1:03:01.040 --> 1:03:04.360 gonna have to spin back, to the line get back 1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:07.640 into your progression having completely taken eyes. 1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:10.200 Off of it that would be the. 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:14.600 Equivalent of telling this kid that you were going to 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:17.920 play pin the tail, on the donkey putting the, mask 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:20.280 on him, spinning him around and then asking him to 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:23.680 hit a receiver. In a second. It doesn't work it's 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:26.880 not gonna. Work For him shadoor sanders is the best 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:29.680 seven On seven quarterback. I've ever seen like if we 1:03:29.720 --> 1:03:32.160 played flag FOOTBALL, In the nfl he's the number one, 1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:34.480 picking this draft and. It's not close the problem is 1:03:34.520 --> 1:03:39.800 that we don't and somebody's. Gonna overdraft him i'm ninety 1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:42.320 nine point ninety nine percent sure it's a team. 1:03:42.360 --> 1:03:46.680 In your division i've never been as. 1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:49.600 Confident of anything I've, never had chador Not to the 1:03:49.640 --> 1:03:50.480 giants in any mock. 1:03:50.560 --> 1:03:50.800 Draft. 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:54.280 I'VE done no i think they need a. Quarterback for sure. 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:59.360 His actions lend to somebody, has told him. You're not 1:03:59.520 --> 1:04:03.600 falling did you see him at the at the at 1:04:03.600 --> 1:04:05.640 his actual, Availability. 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:05.640 Media wise. 1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:07.280 Yeah it's crazy. 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:09.680 Was that off putting to you? 1:04:10.840 --> 1:04:12.880 A little, bit i mean, because you know get these 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:14.800 guys to, get up there and they treat it, like 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:18.200 an interview and, they're very professional and they're, very locked 1:04:18.240 --> 1:04:21.720 in and, they're VERY accommodating and i just felt like 1:04:21.840 --> 1:04:25.440 he was there kind, of UNAPOLOGETICALLY him. Which i Appreciate but, 1:04:25.480 --> 1:04:30.000 also i'm like is the fact you're, turning down teams 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:32.480 you're kind of being brashed to teams because you think 1:04:32.480 --> 1:04:34.000 you're not going to get a draft by them is 1:04:34.440 --> 1:04:38.000 an interesting? Move by, him so again, LIKE off putting, 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:41.360 i don't know a, little theatrical maybe but it, was 1:04:41.400 --> 1:04:45.080 an interesting interesting, choice, AND someone definitely i would agree 1:04:45.200 --> 1:04:48.600 kind of either gave him really good advice or gave him. 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:50.240 Some POOR advice and i guess we'll find out here 1:04:50.240 --> 1:04:50.400 in a. 1:04:50.400 --> 1:04:53.000 COUPLE of weeks i will tell You something About shador 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:55.200 that i've yet to hear anybody in national media. Say 1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:57.400 OUT loud and i went back and. CHECKED the uh 1:04:58.040 --> 1:05:01.080 i checked the schedule to make SURE that what i was. 1:05:01.080 --> 1:05:05.280 Saying was right he had two receivers that were doing 1:05:05.360 --> 1:05:08.880 their media availability while he was Walking Around with joseina 1:05:08.960 --> 1:05:10.560 anderson doing the, look at me, look at me, look 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:13.520 at me. Look at Me interesting if, I'M your receiver 1:05:13.680 --> 1:05:15.960 i don't love the fact that my quarterback is making 1:05:16.040 --> 1:05:18.320 everything About him and i've got two people standing in. 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:20.880 Front, OF me, YEAH i mean i don't love that 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:21.720 these are supposed to. 1:05:21.720 --> 1:05:21.760 Be. 1:05:21.840 --> 1:05:25.120 Your guys yeah the one thing that got me was, 1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:27.480 when they, were you Know Him and cam warred were 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:30.280 having that throwing session and it's all. Over the Internet, It's, 1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:33.440 ON instagram twitter i think it's on, YouTube as well and, 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:37.080 And You know cam, warred's, gonna say, oh you don't 1:05:37.200 --> 1:05:39.440 you're kind of A check down Charlie and he the 1:05:39.480 --> 1:05:41.840 first Thing should or sanders, said, IS like well i 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:44.400 didn't have. The offensive line like those. TYPES of comments 1:05:44.440 --> 1:05:46.560 i know. THEY'RE in jest i know he's, a young 1:05:46.600 --> 1:05:49.400 guy but they make me just a little bit concerned 1:05:49.400 --> 1:05:52.080 that like when, it gets hot like when it gets a, 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:54.360 little bit difficult which it WILL, In the nfl like 1:05:54.880 --> 1:05:57.520 what's your reaction? Going to be and again like this 1:05:57.640 --> 1:06:00.240 is part. Of THE process and i don't think we're 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:01.640 not trying to, kill the kid like he's just what 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:03.919 is he twenty? One years old but those are things 1:06:03.920 --> 1:06:06.200 that definitely come to the forefront of mind with him 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:09.760 that are, a little concerning and especially in a Big Market, 1:06:09.800 --> 1:06:11.800 like new york like they're not going to go easy, 1:06:11.800 --> 1:06:12.800 on you there and you're. 1:06:12.720 --> 1:06:16.000 GOING to think i LAUGH when, people i Laugh especially when, 1:06:16.000 --> 1:06:18.920 shador said, it but this well he didn't have. The 1:06:18.960 --> 1:06:21.840 offensive line you also realized that he didn't go up 1:06:21.840 --> 1:06:25.880 against the. Pass, rushers either sure there are no big 1:06:25.960 --> 1:06:28.800 twelve pass rushers. In this class like the best one 1:06:28.840 --> 1:06:32.360 you're going To see IS, baddie from. Byu who's good 1:06:33.640 --> 1:06:35.840 and if you go back and WATCH those two Byu 1:06:35.880 --> 1:06:38.880 tapes where, Colorado played them chador. 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:40.600 Wasn't, particularly good. 1:06:40.440 --> 1:06:43.280 Yeah did you ever notice that in every tape that 1:06:43.320 --> 1:06:47.800 you actually put a legit pass, rusher out there and everybody, wants, 1:06:47.840 --> 1:06:48.840 to say oh it's because of. 1:06:48.880 --> 1:06:52.360 The offensive line maybe it's because he. Can't, handle pressure. 1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:53.280 Yeah and that's. 1:06:53.280 --> 1:06:54.800 A huge deal and that's something we talked about with 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:57.200 last year's quarterbacks. Quite a bit and it is a, 1:06:57.920 --> 1:06:59.880 it's a factor and it's something. That's really significant and 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:03.640 there's no magic bullet when it comes. To quarterback evaluation 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:06.640 there's no like this data point, Leads to this but 1:07:06.720 --> 1:07:08.640 that is one of those ones that has a little 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:11.280 bit less noise. Associated with it and if you have 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:13.520 a bad pressure, rate in college usually you struggle WITH. 1:07:13.560 --> 1:07:18.200 In the nfl and and for a guy that has is, 1:07:18.240 --> 1:07:22.440 somewhat athletically, limited You Know, because jane daniels he his pressure. 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:25.840 Is pressure rate when, he took pressure his completion. Percentage 1:07:25.880 --> 1:07:28.080 went down it was everyone was talking about. That LAST 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:31.640 year But I think jane daniels' athleticism allows him. TO 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:33.080 overcome that i don't think you see the Same. 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:37.680 Thing, with, shador yeah no it's it's it's almost shocking how. Unathletic, 1:07:37.720 --> 1:07:38.280 he is. 1:07:39.200 --> 1:07:41.920 Well My, Apologies, to batman yeah you, should, be apology 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:45.160 yes and, Apologies. To you jeremy so let's move On The. 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:47.520 Cam ward logan you. CAN start here i will say 1:07:47.520 --> 1:07:51.120 that like THE first time i was brought On the 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:53.240 cam Ward Was Through. Saint. ANA moss sure i was 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:55.440 sitting with him and we Were watching The miami, in 1:07:55.480 --> 1:07:58.360 florida game and he does this kid is going. To 1:07:58.400 --> 1:08:00.840 be special you. Just watch him he's to be something special. 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:03.840 In the league he meant not just at college and 1:08:03.880 --> 1:08:06.640 he had a. Pretty good season he's most. People's Number, 1:08:06.680 --> 1:08:08.280 one now logan he's, your number one and talk to. 1:08:08.320 --> 1:08:10.880 Me, ABOUT him, YEAH i mean i just think there's 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:14.200 a maturity, to HIS game. WHICH i, appreciate i, think 1:08:14.280 --> 1:08:17.080 you know he's. An older player he's kicked around to a, 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:19.639 Couple different programs he's learned. SOME different offenses i think. 1:08:19.640 --> 1:08:22.240 THAT shows up i think there's a composure to him. 1:08:22.400 --> 1:08:24.799 IN the pocket i think there's a natural playmaking. ABILITY 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:28.160 to him i think he's, aggressive at points almost. TO 1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:30.560 a fault i think he spins the football at. A 1:08:30.640 --> 1:08:34.040 high level i think he handles. Pressure, relatively WELL again, 1:08:34.120 --> 1:08:36.479 LIKE i think i Think the way jerrymy characterized it, 1:08:36.520 --> 1:08:39.240 is he's good not great in a, lot of categories 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:42.920 and the thing that makes me feel really good about 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:45.920 it is he does have this kind, of playmaking moxie 1:08:46.040 --> 1:08:48.760 just like when it's time to make when it's, when it's, 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:52.240 time you know it's it's it's we're getting up. Pressed 1:08:52.240 --> 1:08:54.839 against it he just has an ability to make plays 1:08:55.080 --> 1:08:56.960 and kind of be in the moment. And BE composed 1:08:57.200 --> 1:08:58.960 and i think back to my TIME, in the nfl 1:08:59.000 --> 1:09:01.280 and the best quarterbacks played with were guys that had 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:03.800 that kind of ice in their veins. At all times 1:09:03.840 --> 1:09:06.400 the moment was never too. Big FROM him and i see, 1:09:06.400 --> 1:09:08.400 That with him and So that's why i'm SO confident 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:10.000 is i think he's got. A good arm i think 1:09:10.000 --> 1:09:12.880 he's got a good. Composure ABOUT him and i think 1:09:12.920 --> 1:09:14.800 he's got a great knack for making plays when he's got. 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:16.160 To make him and there's. SOMETHING to that. 1:09:19.040 --> 1:09:20.439 I agree with everything. 1:09:20.520 --> 1:09:24.360 You just said the thing that scares Me about cam 1:09:24.439 --> 1:09:28.640 ward is that he, doesn't Take, singles will. 1:09:29.120 --> 1:09:33.640 Dude great, point great, Point. Great point jude. 1:09:33.439 --> 1:09:35.960 He really likes to hit the home run one d 1:09:35.960 --> 1:09:38.600 percent and he's. GOOD at, it i mean this is 1:09:38.640 --> 1:09:40.920 the reason we don't let children play with fireworks is 1:09:40.920 --> 1:09:42.640 that they find and thinks they can blow, up and 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:43.280 hey it's such. 1:09:43.320 --> 1:09:45.000 Fun to watch. Don't do that. 1:09:47.080 --> 1:09:50.080 And he has a quality of that of you can 1:09:50.160 --> 1:09:53.320 tell he played at a lower. LEVEL of competition i 1:09:53.360 --> 1:09:55.679 think he did with with all three of his stops 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:59.479 to be really. On Incarnate Word obviously, Washington state, Obviously 1:10:00.040 --> 1:10:02.240 hey LOOK i'm. An acc guy WE covered the acc. 1:10:02.400 --> 1:10:04.519 Hands ON here the acc is not good, at this 1:10:04.560 --> 1:10:08.720 point Especially Not with. Florida state down and you just 1:10:08.800 --> 1:10:11.200 kind of look through the Games that cam ward had. 1:10:11.240 --> 1:10:15.320 This Past year the florida. TAPE was intriguing i didn't 1:10:15.439 --> 1:10:17.200 love The. Tape against louisville. 1:10:16.840 --> 1:10:17.439 It was fine. 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:20.320 But wasn't great there's just A lot Of Syracuse in 1:10:20.400 --> 1:10:24.920 Iowa State and wake forest and col Those are not 1:10:25.960 --> 1:10:28.800 those are NOT tapes that i. Can really use AND 1:10:28.840 --> 1:10:31.439 then when I nested and i'm just, going to level 1:10:32.439 --> 1:10:34.080 he's still the SAME guy that i would have had 1:10:34.080 --> 1:10:37.240 as the fifth quarterback in. Last year's class that's hard 1:10:37.280 --> 1:10:41.000 for me to unsee because he came into the twenty 1:10:41.040 --> 1:10:45.120 twenty Four class originally withdrew wanted To Go, to ohio 1:10:45.120 --> 1:10:46.719 state wanted To Go, to florida state and then Finally. 1:10:46.760 --> 1:10:53.679 Settle on miami he would have been behind the three, Highest, End, Guys. 1:10:53.800 --> 1:10:57.240 Jaden drake caleb he would have Also Been. Behind michael, 1:10:57.240 --> 1:10:57.840 pennox for. 1:10:57.840 --> 1:10:59.280 Me is that? 1:10:59.400 --> 1:11:02.160 The worst thing because that was, a Historic, class right 1:11:02.280 --> 1:11:04.920 like so if you throw, that class out how MUCH 1:11:06.000 --> 1:11:08.040 this guy i think? IT will, BE i Mean? I, 1:11:08.080 --> 1:11:08.880 do drakes? 1:11:08.960 --> 1:11:13.840 Okay ALL right and i argued this so much LAST 1:11:13.880 --> 1:11:15.679 year and i didn't know, you Guys then so i'll 1:11:15.680 --> 1:11:18.120 do it in the. Vacuum, RIGHT now sure i THINK 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:21.080 there's one a plus quarterback, in That. CLASS as jake 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:24.720 i think there was one eight quarterback, in that class And. 1:11:24.760 --> 1:11:28.439 THAT was drake i think everybody else is a. COMPLETE toss, 1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:29.720 up I? 1:11:29.720 --> 1:11:33.360 THOUGHT what, drake i, Thought? You, said jayden no what are? We? Talking, 1:11:33.400 --> 1:11:34.640 About no JAYDEN was. 1:11:34.680 --> 1:11:37.759 My A plus The, a was drake and then everybody 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:38.120 else is a. 1:11:38.160 --> 1:11:43.280 Complete, toss up Okay, that was okay dodged, The, Bullet 1:11:43.280 --> 1:11:46.280 THERE no but i THINK that THAT'S i think i 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:48.760 agree with, that SENTIMENT too because i think There's Holes in. 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:51.720 MICHAEL pennock's game i think there's more holes in his 1:11:51.800 --> 1:11:53.880 name escapes me at the moment he Plays For. THE 1:11:53.960 --> 1:11:56.760 chicago bears i. Can't Remember, that caleb. WILLIAMS thank you 1:11:56.960 --> 1:11:58.280 i think there are a lot of holes. In, his 1:11:58.320 --> 1:12:02.040 GAME YEAH but i i, like those players YOU know? 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:04.040 What I mean AND i think I like CAM warden 1:12:04.400 --> 1:12:07.600 and i do think like given his the adversity that 1:12:07.640 --> 1:12:10.920 he's faced, in his career how long he's, been in 1:12:10.960 --> 1:12:14.840 college gives me a lot of Confidence, seeing Bo Nick 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:17.760 seeing jayden daniels last year and how successful they were 1:12:17.760 --> 1:12:20.639 and how experienced they are navigate some. OF that stuff 1:12:21.000 --> 1:12:23.120 i go Back to, what, jeremy said though you got 1:12:23.160 --> 1:12:24.400 to take a single sometimes. 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:26.559 And it's boring he's not. 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:28.800 Great at it and that's something where you Look, at 1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:29.559 bon nix he's great. 1:12:29.560 --> 1:12:32.240 At taking Singles Look, at jayden daniels great. At. 1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:36.479 Taking singles right the issue, with you know some of 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:38.360 the other quarterbacks we just talked about is they couldn't. 1:12:38.400 --> 1:12:40.280 Take SINGLES well and i think it's going to affect 1:12:40.280 --> 1:12:42.720 them negatively for a long time until they. FIGURE it 1:12:42.760 --> 1:12:44.240 out i think they can. Figure IT out but i 1:12:44.280 --> 1:12:47.639 think that's something With ward that i'm a little. 1:12:47.640 --> 1:12:50.280 Bit worried about list you have to be able. 1:12:50.280 --> 1:12:52.799 To Do That see caleb williams is the exact opposite, 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:56.000 Side Of that caleb williams. Only takes singles He's Like 1:12:56.080 --> 1:13:00.400 the trot. Nixon of quarterbacks you never hit. Into the 1:13:00.439 --> 1:13:03.840 gap it's just little dribblers. Past THE shortstop why i, 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:06.320 DIDN'T like him i still, don't LIKE him as i 1:13:06.360 --> 1:13:08.920 did take great Joy And Going nana nanda Boo boo 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:10.880 at chicago. Fans all year they called. 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:14.720 Me a moron my, last question then, for quarterbacks specifically 1:13:14.720 --> 1:13:17.679 does coaching and your situation matter the? Most with them 1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:20.599 because you look at Like, jayde and daniels it's not 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:23.519 taking anything. Away from him really, good coaching staff. Really 1:13:23.560 --> 1:13:26.559 good situation same Thing, With BO nix like i kind 1:13:26.560 --> 1:13:28.639 OF feel like jj McCarthy may have a good year 1:13:28.720 --> 1:13:31.040 just because of the situation. That he's in does that 1:13:31.360 --> 1:13:34.760 how much does that play into success IMMEDIATELY in the 1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:39.000 nfl versus? The prospect evaluation how much time you think 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:40.800 THEY may TAKE. J. 1:13:41.160 --> 1:13:43.320 Spot j j McCarty is gonna have a great ye 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:48.120 because hes gonna hold A Clipboard. For aaron rodgers it's 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:50.160 hard not to have. A good year did? You, drop 1:13:50.240 --> 1:13:56.679 it no that's. A great year. Coaching, definitely matters look 1:13:56.760 --> 1:14:00.439 it's this is a little bit of, of A rant 1:14:00.479 --> 1:14:02.880 so i'll try to consume it down. TO thirty seconds 1:14:03.360 --> 1:14:07.200 i get Railed On for lamar jackson A lot because 1:14:07.360 --> 1:14:10.120 i did not see HIM as. An nfl quarterback now 1:14:10.120 --> 1:14:14.040 he's won a couple of MVPs where people really the 1:14:14.120 --> 1:14:17.639 thing that you forget Is That, the baltimore ravens which 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:20.160 are one of the best drafting teams, in this league 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:25.400 they committed every Available Resource to lamar jackson from the 1:14:25.520 --> 1:14:29.200 minute he walked into that building, until right now and. 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:32.840 It's never stopped they have been fully. Committed to him 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:39.360 where teams fall short with quarterbacks is that you don't 1:14:39.400 --> 1:14:43.639 FULLY invest the jj McCarthy's of the world need. Every single. 1:14:43.960 --> 1:14:47.799 Snap all right This Flirtation with aaron, rodgers is dumb 1:14:48.640 --> 1:14:50.200 but it's not going to lead you where you, want 1:14:50.200 --> 1:14:53.559 it to and it's taking precious snaps. 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:56.080 Away from McCarthy if you. 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:58.760 Fully lock In If the tennessee titans fully lock In 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:01.840 on cam ward is their guy and every decision they 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:04.160 make for the next three years is making. HIM their 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:07.800 guy I think cam ward can be a top ten 1:15:07.880 --> 1:15:08.599 to twelve quarterback. 1:15:08.600 --> 1:15:10.559 IN the league i think. 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:12.320 Should do her if you do, THE same thing i 1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:16.639 think can be a, top Twenty guy And I'll say 1:15:16.720 --> 1:15:18.559 jackson dork can be a. TOP fifteen guy. 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:21.120 I think that's a really nice way. OF putting it 1:15:21.120 --> 1:15:22.599 i think if the team puts a, LOT of resources 1:15:22.640 --> 1:15:24.320 i think the other important thing just to note is 1:15:24.320 --> 1:15:25.240 you got to have the right. 1:15:25.360 --> 1:15:26.760 Kind of guy See know. 1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:28.000 What I'M saying so i think if You look at 1:15:28.040 --> 1:15:31.120 indianapolis and what they've Done With, an anthony richardson they've given, him, 1:15:31.160 --> 1:15:33.720 A lot right they've, Supported him well they've brought an 1:15:33.760 --> 1:15:36.200 offensive coordinator who can speak to. His skill set he 1:15:36.240 --> 1:15:39.120 has not supported them with. His work ethic the thing 1:15:39.160 --> 1:15:41.439 that gives me Confidence that cam ward given the, right 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:44.040 coaching situation he's going to work at it right because 1:15:44.040 --> 1:15:45.240 he had to work at it Same Thing. With jane 1:15:45.280 --> 1:15:47.920 daniel so if you support the quarterback and they've got 1:15:47.960 --> 1:15:50.360 the right work ethic and they've, GOT the talent i 1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:52.880 think that's where you get that kind. Of magic elixir, 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:55.160 BUT you know i think that's going to do it. For, 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:57.240 the show right, we're all done and. 1:15:57.120 --> 1:15:58.920 Just so, our fans know we're recording this. A little 1:15:58.920 --> 1:16:00.920 early by the time, it Comes Out maybe aaron rodgers 1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:04.599 has signed So for but the POINT is that i really. 1:16:04.600 --> 1:16:06.680 LOVE this discussion i really love when You come ON 1:16:06.800 --> 1:16:10.040 Jeremy The. Espn Draft, nerd jeremy green tell us where 1:16:10.080 --> 1:16:13.800 we can. Find Your Stuff the sports oocracy. Is my 1:16:13.960 --> 1:16:16.760 show it's, just like democracy. But with sports you can 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:17.360 find that on all. 1:16:17.360 --> 1:16:20.479 The social MEDIA'S I'm At espn Draft nerd on twitter 1:16:21.160 --> 1:16:24.680 and my latest four round mock Draft for the commanders. 1:16:24.840 --> 1:16:28.280 IS dropping Tonight i think i'm. Dropping it, tonight if 1:16:28.280 --> 1:16:29.479 not what's? 1:16:29.520 --> 1:16:32.120 The date though like the date? Is the Date today, 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:35.679 is march Seventeenth So. This, patrick's day yes this show 1:16:35.720 --> 1:16:37.280 is going to come out a, little bit later. Probably. 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:40.080 Next week right so if if you're listening to this 1:16:40.120 --> 1:16:41.920 now And You're a, washington commanders fan make sure you 1:16:41.960 --> 1:16:45.479 go Back and find jeremy's for four round mock Draft For. The, 1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:48.559 washington commanders jeremy thanks so much. FOR joining us i 1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:50.400 learned so MUCH every time i. Talk to you, you're 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:53.280 a blast, love your comparisons. Love your analysis we'll have 1:16:53.320 --> 1:16:54.720 to have you out again one more time before the. 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:57.479 Draft comes around the number is. 1:16:57.479 --> 1:16:59.320 Always the same i'm a pretty easy you GOTTA fun 1:16:59.439 --> 1:17:00.680 and i enjoy it with you. 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:03.360 Guys as well thank, You. So much jamie that is 1:17:03.400 --> 1:17:09.240 it absolutely m m hmmm mm hmm