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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Ticket of the Draft podcast, we're

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Speaker 1: talking my favorite position, tight ends. We're also talking quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: with Jeremy Green, one of the best draft analysts I know.

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Speaker 1: By the end of the draft season he's gonna have

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ticket of the Draft Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with justin guy, Jason and our

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Speaker 1: very very special guest Jeremy Green, who joined us at

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Speaker 1: the combine and helped us and got us that podcast out.

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Speaker 1: And it's always great having smart people on the show.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy, how you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 4: I don't know when the smart guys showing us, but

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Speaker 4: I'm really glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll call you smart. You can call yourself dumb.

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Speaker 1: today we're doing tight ends Jason, and we're doing quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start with tight ends because that's how you

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Speaker 1: tease the more important position.

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Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, absolutely, And there's no one better to

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Speaker 5: talk to you than this than the highest riser at

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Speaker 5: the combine. The stock price just shot through the roof

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Speaker 5: with mister Jeremy Green here the ESPN draft nerd. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: he was a savior for us out there when we

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Speaker 5: had some technical difficulties, and he was also the guest

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Speaker 5: on our number one show so far this year, highest

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Speaker 5: rated show, this year, highest viewed show. I think it's

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Speaker 5: all about him. It's nothing to do with the Deebo

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Speaker 5: Samuel trade break. That has everything to do with him

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Speaker 5: being one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Jeremy, So before we got started, we were.

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Speaker 1: Talking about kind of tight ends and how you felt

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Speaker 1: like this was a good one for people to kind

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Speaker 1: of get used to your process. And you know, tight

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Speaker 1: end is a really interesting position for me because I

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Speaker 1: played it. But I guess, let's start off at the

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Speaker 1: highest of levels, you know, like what kind of traits

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Speaker 1: are you looking for and how do you start your

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Speaker 1: evaluation process with a tight end? Because I think the

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Speaker 1: position and what's important for the position has changed quite

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Speaker 1: a bit over the last ten fifteen twenty years.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not as I like a tight end that

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Speaker 4: can block, right. Very few of these guys that are

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Speaker 4: so much different now than it was ten to fifteen

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Speaker 4: say he's a good blocker.

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Speaker 3: No he's not.

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Speaker 4: He's not a good blas matter of fact, he's abjectly

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Speaker 4: terrible at it. The only thing is that every other

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Speaker 4: he is. So as you see that progression change where

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Speaker 4: you get way less guys that come into the league

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Speaker 4: a more natural blocker. Not necessarily great at it, but

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Speaker 4: Gunner Helm, who I'm reasonably sure couldn't he couldn't block me.

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Speaker 3: I'm and right now my.

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Speaker 4: Forty's fallen in somewhere about seven oh seven to one,

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Speaker 4: So that's really not awesome. But then I look to

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Speaker 4: a kid Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame that gets absolutely

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Speaker 4: no love. I would say he's one of the better

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Speaker 4: a net negative as a blocker. Now he is a

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Speaker 4: rate than the abject failures that some of these other

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: Now we were talking about the difference in my process,

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Speaker 4: I coll probably seventy percent.

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Speaker 3: Of the games you play. I do this with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: I do with wide receivers, running backs, tight ends, basically

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Speaker 1: What you said seventy percent of the game, as you

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Speaker 4: Said, yep, and then I call them immediately. I'll watch

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Speaker 4: Miami of Ohio was out the window immediately, so was Stanford,

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Speaker 3: So it was Florida State, Virginia.

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Speaker 4: The ones that I really looked at with him were Indiana, Georgia,

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Speaker 4: the those are the only teams he played that you're

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Speaker 4: care that you can light that guy up. That doesn't

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Speaker 4: mean anything to me. So I want to see what

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Speaker 3: And those are the tapes that I really look at.

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Speaker 5: Now, Jeremy, you were mentioning blocking in there and that

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Speaker 5: this class may not be great at blocking in your opinion.

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Speaker 5: So my question is, like, what do you look for

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Speaker 5: in a tight end? Is blocking like really high up there?

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Speaker 5: If you're a good blocker, you moving them up the board.

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Speaker 5: Because you mentioned before we started this show that the

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Speaker 5: guy sitting here with us, mister Logan paulsy And who

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Speaker 5: made a career out of just being a nasty son

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Speaker 5: of a gun at blocking in the run game. You

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Speaker 5: you said you scouted him at one point. You put

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Speaker 5: that in there, right.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 4: He was the best blocker in the class that he

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Speaker 4: in twenty ten. I think it was in twenty ten.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: You were the best blocker in that class for me.

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Speaker 4: And the Logan Paulson of this tight end class is

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Speaker 4: Jackson Halls from Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 2: My favorite.

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Speaker 3: I knew that was going to be your favorite.

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Speaker 4: I wrote him down of give Logan a chance to

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Speaker 4: say this guy's name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's a guy that I just enjoy

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Speaker 1: watching because he's super physical. And again, this is something

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Speaker 1: I love how you go through the games. I love

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Speaker 1: how you select the guys with draftable talent. The thing

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Speaker 1: that gets me is like Jackson Hawes is going to

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Speaker 1: have a role, he'll be the John Bates for some team.

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Speaker 1: He'll play ten years in the NFL. But and it's

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Speaker 1: He's not a great rout runner, he's not a great separator.

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Speaker 1: He's very similar to me as a player. The thing

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Speaker 1: is is like, you'll play ten years, but where do

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Speaker 1: you draft someone like that. Obviously, Jackson Hawes is from

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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. He's was excellent in the run game this year,

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Speaker 1: really shows an aptitude and an intensity for it. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Jeremy, how do you weigh that, like, because

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think i'd probably take him before

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Speaker 1: the third or fourth round because again, the league doesn't

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Speaker 1: is valuable to NFL rosters.

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Speaker 4: So the way that I build my board and I

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Speaker 4: just finished the initial big board, so I have three

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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty nine draftable grade.

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Speaker 2: Now you're a psycho.

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Speaker 4: You're a psycho. I am a psycho. I need a life.

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Speaker 4: People see my wife and they go, good, lord, how

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Speaker 4: did you get a girl that attractive to marry you

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Speaker 4: when you are a psychopath watching Tommy fedone tape at

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Speaker 4: four am like a.

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Speaker 3: Lunatic as she's patient.

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Speaker 4: So the way I stack my board is I day

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Speaker 4: three for me is more specialized. Guys, all right, So,

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Speaker 4: whether it's Jackson Hawes that we were just talking about

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Speaker 4: that is a blocking specific tight end or leaquent Allen

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Speaker 4: the runback from Syracuse that I don't think he gives

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Speaker 4: you anything as a runner but man, he's got really

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Speaker 4: that with different positions. That's what I'm looking for in

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Speaker 4: day three. So I'm looking at I've got Jackson Hawes

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Speaker 4: back end around five. Okay, so he's he's in a

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Speaker 4: really weird group because he's with I have four fifth

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Speaker 4: But I think they all have a value right there,

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Speaker 3: So I love Hauls.

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Speaker 4: If you're looking for the blocker Aronde Gatst that is

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Speaker 4: really just a big slot.

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Speaker 2: So he's an interesting prospect too.

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Speaker 1: But that you said that, you kind of like put

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Speaker 1: guys there because of specificity, Like he's a converted wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: there's something to him, and I think he's going to

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Speaker 4: I it depends how you look at him. I think

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Speaker 4: where people make mistakes with tight ends. A lot is

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Speaker 4: Aronde Gaston is, So they converted him to tight end.

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Speaker 4: What actually changed about what he does?

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Speaker 4: Two word or two letter acronym that they put beside

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Speaker 4: his name. He's a tight end because you told me

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Speaker 4: he's a tight end. In terms of his route tree

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Speaker 4: and all those things, virtually nothing changed. Yeah, So really

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Speaker 4: all he is is a big slot. He's a bigger

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Speaker 4: slower slot. Now the question is do you run a

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Speaker 4: scheme where that works. I'll give you a good example

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Speaker 4: of one that ties into the NFC East. The Raiders

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Speaker 4: ran a scheme for years where Darren Waller could win.

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Speaker 4: Darren Waller was freakishly fast for a guy that.

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Speaker 3: Was six'.

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Speaker 4: Six, yeah but then he goes to The giants And

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Speaker 4: Inline he's not a big slot.

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Speaker 3: Anymore.

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Speaker 4: Now he's a really bad inline, blocker and it kind

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Speaker 4: of ran him out of the league because he couldn't

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Speaker 4: hold up physically to. That so if you're looking For

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Speaker 4: Ronde gatson to be a big slot, receiver you're, fine

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Speaker 4: AND i think he will. Win you're gonna have to

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Speaker 4: scheme some of that. Out SO i mean having a

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Speaker 4: receiver inside him Like Jalen lane From Virginia Tech Dante

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Speaker 4: thornton From. TENNESSEE i need somebody that can take that

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Speaker 3: I want him on a. Linebacker.

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Speaker 4: Yeah and So i'm gonna scheme that he's not gonna

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Speaker 4: play more than fifteen or twenty snaps for. Me that's

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Speaker 4: why he's a fifth round grade for. Me BUT i

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Speaker 3: Does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah and so who are the other two guys you

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Speaker 4: Gunner helm who he? Did he did sprain his. Ankle

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Speaker 4: i've seen the. PICTURE i Called shenanigans on the. Well

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Speaker 4: COLOR i will give him a bullip on that four

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Speaker 4: nine to. FIVE i didn't love him to begin with

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Speaker 4: because he's A he's another one that's just a he's

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Speaker 3: Receiver he's a, big slow wide. Receiver.

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Speaker 4: Yeah and Then Tommy fanlon out Of, nebraska WHO i absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Too, yeah The, nebraska and Again helm's out Of, texas

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Speaker 1: all those, guys maybe outside Of Gunner, Helm i'm probably

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Speaker 1: don't know what he does. WELL i don't think he

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Speaker 1: separates versus man coverage the way That, Ronde gatz And.

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Speaker 1: like you, know now let's get in your top five is,

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Speaker 1: obviously where do you feel comfortable taking a tight end

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Speaker 1: because it's a position that's not necessarily super valuable because

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Speaker 1: of the. Contract, obviously you see people being successful The George,

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Speaker 4: End and, why, oh If i'm taking the first, One

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Speaker 4: i'm comfortable taking my number one at five?

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Speaker 2: Five is that because of the drafts weaker this? Year

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Speaker 4: GOOD i have three elite prospects in this? Class, okay

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Speaker 4: So i've got so for, me anything over a nine

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Speaker 3: TALENT i have three of.

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Speaker 2: Those and WHAT i get out too is one of

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Speaker 4: End, NO i have a running back and a tight

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Speaker 4: end that are my four and five. Overall, okay and

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Speaker 4: they have just below generational. Number but then they get

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Speaker 4: valuable to. Me, sure SO i multiply running back by

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Speaker 4: zero point eight, NINE i multiply tight end by point

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Speaker 4: nine to. Two so that brings your grade down just

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Speaker 4: a hair because of positional. VALUE i think a good

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Speaker 4: good tight end that can play kind of the role

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Speaker 4: that they've tried to have For Kyle pitts and actually

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Speaker 4: do it well where you can win on the outside

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Speaker 4: that's such a matchup nightmare that WHEN i find one

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Speaker 4: them for being tight. Ends AND i think there's two

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Speaker 4: of those in this. CLASS i love, that and SO

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Speaker 4: i think that's that's a.

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Speaker 1: REALLY i think that's that illuminates an issue that's going

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Speaker 1: around THE, nfl is positional. VALUE i love how you

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Speaker 1: have a multiplication set for. That, WELL i think that's a.

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Speaker 1: REALLY i might adopt that actually moving, forward because that's so.

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Speaker 1: Smart so let's start getting into the list a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit let's go with your fifth tight end on your,

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Speaker 1: board and Then i'll tell you my fifth and we'll

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Speaker 1: kind of go through the.

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Speaker 4: List SO i have three that are. Borderlines they've got

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Speaker 4: almost the same. Grade there's three tenths of a points

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Speaker 4: save right in them. All, Okay Harrold fannin at a buling, Green,

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Speaker 4: okay that would be technically my. Seven Mitchell evans And

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Speaker 4: Terrence ferguson have the same, grade so they're both my.

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Speaker 1: Five, Okay, Okay Mitchell evans And Terrence. Ferguson, Okay so

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Speaker 1: let's talk About Mitchell. Evans i'm, surprised not, surprised that's

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Speaker 1: the wrong. Word you, KNOW i think he's a good football.

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Speaker 1: PLAYER i think when you watch, him you see some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff you talked, about the in, line the

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Speaker 1: pass catching.

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Speaker 2: ABILITY i worry about the raw. HORSEPOWER i think the.

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Speaker 1: Position one of the ways you talked about, is you,

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Speaker 1: know value is the running game is being, devalued but the,

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Speaker 1: athletics the athletic traits of a tight end seem to

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Speaker 1: be more. Valued and so WHEN i look at, HIM

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Speaker 1: i wonder about his overall horsepower and if you can

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Speaker 1: get it done at THE nfl. Level and IF i

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Speaker 1: said that to, you what would you say to.

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Speaker 3: ME i can't tell you that you're.

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Speaker 4: Wrong that's the reason he's not higher for, me BECAUSE

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Speaker 4: i want him to be my three in terms of

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Speaker 4: just ability to play, football AND i don't really have

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Speaker 4: a way to quantify. THAT i look at a tight

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Speaker 4: end that has a seventy almost seventy three percent contested

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Speaker 4: catch rate in, college of you're not going to separate

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Speaker 4: particularly well at the next. Level But i've also said

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Speaker 4: that about a handful of tight ends over the. Years

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Speaker 4: one of the guys THAT i was the most dogmatic

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Speaker 4: on when he came. Out this is WHERE i got

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Speaker 4: the dubbing the tight end whisperer BECAUSE i couldn't believe

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Speaker 4: that nobody saw. It The Baltimore ravens took two tight

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Speaker 4: ends handful years, Ago Hayden hurst From South carolina THAT

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Speaker 4: i think already qualified FOR aarp when he got, drafted

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Speaker 4: and Then Mark, andrews AND i couldn't figure out why

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Speaker 4: are people not seeing? This With, Andrews he's a natural route,

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Speaker 4: Runner he's very. Crafty is he crazy? Fast?

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Speaker 3: No is he a great?

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Speaker 4: Mover? No but he knows how to play this baz

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Speaker 4: and he knows how to settle down over the middle

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Speaker 4: not get killed for one because he is a, bigger more,

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Speaker 4: lumbering slower. Guy AND i say the same thing With Mitchell.

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Speaker 4: Evans he's just a really crafty tight. End And i've

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Speaker 4: watched those guys succeed in this league for a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Years is it?

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Speaker 4: Risky, absolutely because he can't win with straight line. Speed

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Speaker 4: he's not going to win as a great route. Runner

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Speaker 4: he's going to win because he's a really smart football

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Speaker 4: player that knows how to play this.

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Speaker 1: Position i'm really glad you brought Up Mark andrews because

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Speaker 1: he's a guy for me THAT i THOUGHT i totally

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Speaker 1: missed on the route running nuance when he was At.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma they didn't ask him to do a ton of,

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Speaker 1: stuff but his rookiear in THE. Nfl you saw the,

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Speaker 1: stems you saw the, breakdowns you saw him understanding his own.

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Speaker 1: Coverage and SO i, mean if you Think Mitchell evans

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Speaker 1: has that those, traits like that's something that again that

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Speaker 1: would probably move me, up it would move him up my.

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Speaker 2: BOARD i haven't seen that.

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Speaker 1: NECESSARILY i think it's more of an offensive thing for,

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Speaker 1: Me like they don't ask him to do a ton

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Speaker 1: of super, complicated nuanced stuff, There BUT i think that's

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Speaker 1: a really interesting value. Point, now let's talk About Terrence,

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Speaker 1: ferguson who is your other. FIVE i have him as my.

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Speaker 1: FOUR i really really like him a. LOT i think

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Speaker 1: he's got kind of the opposite of what we're talking

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Speaker 1: about With Mitchell. Evans he's got kind of this athletic course.

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Speaker 1: Power he's not as technically, refined but he's got this

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Speaker 1: kind of playmaker basketball athlete to, him WHICH i think

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Speaker 1: translates really well to the next. Level he's got the

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Speaker 1: length as.

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Speaker 2: WELL i.

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Speaker 4: Agree the thing that makes me a little nervous On

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Speaker 4: ferguson is THAT i think people are gonna fall in

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Speaker 4: love with the raw. Athletic the worst thing you can

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Speaker 4: be to me is. Overdrafted if you told me Where

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Speaker 4: Terrence ferguson, went, like you give me a pick. Range

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Speaker 4: if it's sixty to seventy, FIVE i think his.

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Speaker 3: Bus rates through the. Roof really every fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Picks it gets better because you're gonna ask him to

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Speaker 4: DO i don't want a team to ask him to.

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Speaker 4: Do it's like you, said he's not refined in. This

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Speaker 4: he's very much a Currently he's a really big kid

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Speaker 4: that is still learning the nuance of playing tight. End

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Speaker 4: he's the exact opposite Of Mitchell. Evans If Mitchell evans

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Speaker 4: was In Terence ferguson's, body we'd be talking about him

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Speaker 4: as to be or one, be or however you wanted

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Speaker 4: to quantify. It because he has natural ability That Mitchell

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Speaker 4: evans doesn't. Have the problem is THAT i don't want.

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Speaker 4: Him i'll give you an. Example these are two very different,

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Speaker 4: players BUT i think they have very similar. Situations isaiah

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Speaker 4: likely a kid THAT i covered At Coastal. Carolina he

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Speaker 4: goes To. Baltimore he plays Behind Mark andrews for two.

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Speaker 3: Years this is year. THREE i think.

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Speaker 4: If he had gone somewhere as a number one tight,

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Speaker 4: END i wouldn't have loved him because he needed to

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Speaker 4: develop all of those. Skills isaiah likely was a basketball

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Speaker 4: player that played. Football it just so happened that his

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Speaker 4: body type fit better because he wanted. It as a basketball.

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Speaker 4: Player he was a host. Guy but he's only like six,

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Speaker 4: three six, four so he never developed as a post

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Speaker 4: because as time goes, On Terrence, Ferguson isaiah, likely all

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Speaker 4: these guys find the same thing THAT i. DID i

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Speaker 4: got to six' FIVE and. I stopped it's actually six

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Speaker 4: four and, some change but six five. THIRS better i

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Speaker 4: PLAYED like i was seven. Feet, tall well the problem

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Speaker 4: is that all these guys keep getting BIGGER and. I

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Speaker 4: didn't so The fact i'm, a big slow. Post player

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Speaker 4: It's The jimmy. Graham Rule jimmy graham was a great,

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Speaker 4: post player. Insanely athletic he translated that into becoming a

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Speaker 4: great football player because he took the raw skills that

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Speaker 4: he had and refined them. Over time if you had

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Speaker 4: asked him to block, in line he would run him

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Speaker 4: out of the league because he couldn't do it right

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Speaker 4: if You Put terrence ferguson in the. Right Situation and

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Speaker 4: i'm gonna be honest, WITH you I think washington is the.

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Speaker 4: Right Situation if i'm. BEING hundredson i said THAT because

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Speaker 4: i KIND of i loved Him.

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Speaker 3: IN washington.

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Speaker 4: I have your capital pulled up in front. Of me

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Speaker 4: BUT if i could get to it, pretty quickly if

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Speaker 4: you Told me washington took him with whatever pick you

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Speaker 4: have in the, fourth.

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Speaker 1: ROUND yeah i think we just traded in the trade

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Speaker 1: for laramytunsl we got to, pick back, SO yeah. I

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Speaker 1: agree i think that's kind of a luxury pick backup for.

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Speaker 1: A year i think his skill set mirror Is what

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Speaker 1: zach does, really well or it's obviously he's got that

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Speaker 1: ability and they got, that UPSET and i do think.

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Speaker 1: He's raw and the OTHER thing i wanted to bring

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Speaker 1: up to you before we got into the Next person

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Speaker 1: i'll tell you my five for in a Second is

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Speaker 1: i'm hard pressed to think of a position outside of.

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Speaker 1: Defensive end tight end now is where we're talking about

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Speaker 1: that relies more on athletic traits in terms of translating

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Speaker 1: to the. Next level how much does that factor into,

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Speaker 1: your EVALUATION because i think it's one of those positions

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Speaker 1: again that like you see the athletes, be successful the

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Speaker 1: guys with the, long arms the guys with, the height

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Speaker 1: the guys that can run the four, to six they

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Speaker 1: are the guys that start AT the. Nfl level And

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Speaker 1: Obviously mitchell evans isn't, that guy you know?

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Speaker 4: For, Sure yeah so, FOR me i have three there's

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Speaker 4: three archetypes of. Tight end, for me there's the, hyper athletic.

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Speaker 4: Hyper talented then there's the hyper talented. Lesser athletic then

435
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 4: there's the, lesser talented. Hyper athletic fanin is the super

436
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 4: athletic Kid that i'm not sure you're all.

437
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 3: THAT talented i.

438
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 4: Think you've got a raw skill set that if a

439
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,959
Speaker 4: team is willing to, develop it kind of like they Did,

440
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,639
Speaker 4: with likely because that's who he reminds me of, a

441
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 4: lot then you're going to. Be fine the PROBLEM that

442
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 4: i Had with fannin WAS that i kept seeing him

443
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 4: in that forty five. Ish range he's not a second round,

444
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 4: tight end and if you put second round tight end

445
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 4: pressure on him where he's got to come in and play.

446
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 4: Right away So The jason morrow rule That the jets

447
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,439
Speaker 4: drafted him years AGO and i, could not for the

448
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 4: life of me, figure out what are you seeing in?

449
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 4: This kid he's a, developmental five if, he's anything and

450
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 4: then you put the pressure on him and you ran

451
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 4: him out of.

452
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 1: The, league so in terms of who, you're four who's

453
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 1: your four? Right now is Is It harold fannin or

454
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: is he, you know he's? Your seven you said who's?

455
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 3: Your four fans.

456
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 4: My seven Evans and ferguson are tied at five, for

457
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 4: me And Then mason taylor is.

458
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 3: My Four So.

459
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: Mason taylor is, my FIVE and i want to just

460
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: Hit on harold Fan and junior. Real quick he is also.

461
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: MY seven i think we see it. VERY similarly i

462
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: think his film in college. Is good it's a, little

463
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,719
Speaker 1: unconventional Played At bowling green not necessarily didn't test as

464
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 1: WELL as i. WAS hoping i think you need some

465
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: time to develop and find, a ROLE and i think

466
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,199
Speaker 1: you need an offense that kind of is going to

467
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: be patient with him to kind of piggyback.

468
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 2: On that let's Talk About mason taylor.

469
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 4: Real quick but before we come, off FACE can i

470
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 4: just say. ONE thing i FEEL like i said a

471
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 4: lot of NEGATIVE and i always want to say a

472
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 4: POSITIVE when i. Have, it yeah two of the best

473
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 4: games fan and played were against the best teams.

474
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: They, Played Yeah penn state And Stateon. Texas ain now those.

475
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 4: Two tapes are enough for me to take him around

476
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 4: the top one.

477
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,719
Speaker 1: Hundred, ish, YEAH no i agree. With that, and again like,

478
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: it's funny like you watch him At The, senior bowl.

479
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 1: He wins you watch him, in college. HE wins i don't.

480
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: Understand why it's not, overly technical it's not, overly clean

481
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: but he figures out a way to get. It done

482
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 1: and so you know that the tape doesn't, Lie Ultimately

483
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: and i'm gonna support that because he had A Good senior.

484
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: Bowl week and would you say you said this we Were, at,

485
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 1: indianapolis right, you said if, one off two of three,

486
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: Are good so, your combine your tape Or Your senior bowl.

487
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: Are good two of those three, Are good like we're.

488
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: Doing OKAY and i feel like he had two of

489
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: the three that were.

490
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 2: Pretty solid so.

491
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 4: He didn't ast as WELL as i wanted. Him, to

492
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 4: yeah it was A little i agree with you.

493
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: Hartily. There yeah so let's Talk About. Mason taylor he's

494
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 2: kind of.

495
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: EVERYONE'S favorite i saw him at the top of the

496
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: second round for a lot of these people in the.

497
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: Mock draft he's in the top forty for, you know

498
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: some of these. BIG boards i don't necessarily. See that

499
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: i'd see a good. Football player how do you?

500
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 4: SEE him i had an evaluator FOR a nfc team

501
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 4: tell Me That mason taylor was the kid that they

502
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 4: were the most convinced was going in the first round

503
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 4: that no one was.

504
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,719
Speaker 3: Talking about really not.

505
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 4: GONNA lie i don't think my jaw has come off

506
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 4: the ground since that was said.

507
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: TO me i don't see a first.

508
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: ROUND great i don't see, it EITHER but.

509
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 3: I see a. Raw kid let Me if i'm crazy,

510
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 3: on this you feel free to Tell me i'm crazy. On.

511
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: THIS yeah i had a Rule About.

512
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 4: ELI manning i have a lot of RULES because i

513
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 4: see GUYS and I go i've read this book BEFORE

514
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 4: and i didn't like. The Ending If mason taylor's Name Was,

515
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 4: mason smith would we be talking?

516
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: About, Him, Dude dude i'm on the same page. As

517
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: you i'm on the, same, page like let me just tell.

518
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: You this let me tell YOU what i think. ABOUT

519
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: him i think he's good, in line good in line,

520
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: he's competitive, he's tough he catches the, football well but

521
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: he's not a plus athlete and he's not great. In

522
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: line so he's a really, good PLAYER and i don't

523
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: know where you value that because, TO me i think

524
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: his ceiling is a guy like that's going to be.

525
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: Your blocking why that's not, as big or as strong

526
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: or as technically sound as a Guy Like. John BATES

527
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: so i, get again are you drafting. THE competitor i

528
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: understand that his competitive tape, is excellent but to say

529
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: that he's going to go in the, FIRST round i

530
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: don't think he's a good enough athlete to. Do that

531
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: and THAT'S where i KIND of i don't know what

532
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: to do. With HIM because i like watching, THE film

533
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: i like. The player everyone says he's a. GREAT kid

534
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: i love, All that but how do you value that

535
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have the athletic ceiling to get. You

536
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: there it's kind of the same thing we're talking About With.

537
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: Mitch EEVANS like I Like mitch, evans's tape, but like

538
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: if you don't have the athletic horsepower to get, it

539
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: done what's your role at the next level IN?

540
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 4: The nfl my biggest Question With mason taylor is if

541
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 4: Now that i've seen the measurables, on you and he

542
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 4: came in at six oh five one two, fifty one he,

543
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 4: didn't run which that's a story for. Another day some

544
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 4: of you guys are getting real bad Advice, on hey we.

545
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 4: Shouldn't run we'll run At, the no don't don't. Do

546
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 4: that it doesn't end well because one of the biggest

547
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 4: Questions On mason, Taylor, is okay so you've got all the,

548
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 4: raw measurables why were you never that red?

549
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: Zone? Threat sure when you had all of the things

550
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: that should be bumping. You up you played with, malite

551
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: neighbors you played with all of these really talented wide.

552
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: Receivers they HAD. At lsu why were you never the

553
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 4: red zone threat when you're drawing one on one, Coverage

554
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 4: consistently so you couldn't meet that consistently in college IN,

555
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: the sec which is the closest thing we have TO the.

556
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: Nfl game But now i'm supposed to believe that you're

557
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 4: gonna come TO the nfl playing against, better talent against more,

558
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: consistent talent and now all of, a sudden you're going

559
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 4: to become this red.

560
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 3: Zone monster that's hard for me to wrap my.

561
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: BRAIN round i could not have said that.

562
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: Better myself one of THE things i, look at especially

563
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: for the first two rounds in, a draft and this

564
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: Is where i'm a little bit Higher On terrence ferguson

565
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 1: is can you consistently win versus man and? Man Coverage

566
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: and terrence has shown his ability to, Do That mason taylor.

567
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: Has Not so i'm, always like if you're going to

568
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: be a red, zone weapon if you're going to be

569
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: a third, down weapon Think You're, george Kittles Your travis

570
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: Kelsey's Your, zach ertz you've got to win versus. Man

571
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: coverage and if you can't do it in college versus,

572
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: lesser coverage PLAYERS like i. Don't know that is the

573
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: crux of. MY argument i don't. Understand it, and again

574
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: he's a good, Football, player jason what?

575
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 5: You got so just a guy coming in here that

576
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 5: has just a Guy question so no. Dumb questions but

577
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 5: this may, be dumb? All right could any of this

578
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 5: be the COACHING at lsu and what they're asking him

579
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 5: to do or are you, Strictly, saying okay the ball's

580
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 5: not thrown, to him but he's not a red zone

581
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 5: threat because you're not scheming him. That way is that?

582
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 5: Even possible because we Looked at Jane and daniels last

583
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 5: year and it, was like well he doesn't throw over in. The,

584
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 5: middle well they weren't asking.

585
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: Him to so with receivers and with, tight Ends, and

586
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: jerem you can Tell me. I'm wrong is you watch all.

587
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: THE routes i watch every route that they run usually

588
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: to see and if you're not separating on, third down

589
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: like on, a seam like do you have the good

590
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: nuance the lean, him out bend it? Back in are

591
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: you using a? Good stem do you have a? Double

592
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: stick do you have the suddenness? And twitch like he

593
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: ran a five yard out and he caught, the ball

594
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: but it was like, this slow languid kind of Outcut and,

595
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: i'm like A better dB.

596
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: Undercuts that that's. An interception and.

597
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: So sure it's that skill set that, you're like is

598
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: it in his body to? Do it is the thing that, Gets,

599
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: ME jeremy i don't know how you feel.

600
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: About that So what and this is one of those

601
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 4: things that tight ends are. A niche there are certain

602
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 4: coaches that are just not big on. Tight ends they'd

603
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: rather come out in five wides and have that pre,

604
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: snap mode especially, in college because it's so much easier

605
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 4: to do with there and they want to. Manipulate matchups

606
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: here's my problem with That With. Mason taylor how many

607
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 4: tight ends have we seen drafted Because Of brian kelly

608
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: He Made.

609
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: Michael mayer it's a.

610
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: Great point it's a, Great point.

611
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 4: TOMMY that i don't get to go with, down HERE

612
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: and i get to deal with him down Here. IN carolina,

613
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 4: i cannot for the life of me figure out how

614
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 4: anybody thought he was a top, hundred player because you

615
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 4: really nest down what he Did At. Notre dame he

616
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 4: was a glorified fullback and that's what he's Done. In

617
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 4: carolina Cole, Commit, A Lse, mack durham smythe that's just

618
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 4: guys that were drafted Out Of. Notre dame by, the

619
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: way none of them outside of maybe the, first two

620
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: we're athletic enough to be high end. Draft Picks But

621
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 4: brian kelly made them. That way why couldn't he do

622
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: it With With, mason TAYLOR who i think athletically is

623
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 4: better THAN anybody i just said Not Named, cole, comet

624
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: Dude Because cole commett IS.

625
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: Like a he's.

626
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 4: Like a it's like nicotine. FOR me I just i can't,

627
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 4: quit him no matter HOW bad. I, SHOULD.

628
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: No, i, Agree MAN and i think that's again he's

629
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: a conundrum.

630
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: TO me i don't know what to do. WITH him

631
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 2: i like.

632
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: THE player i think he's gonna be good IN. THE

633
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: nfl i just don't know what. HIS seal i think

634
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: he plays ten years IN. THE nfl i just don't

635
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: know what his. CEILING is i don't know if he's

636
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: ever like a fifty. Catch guy but who is?

637
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: Your?

638
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: Three uh my Three Is? Elijah ROYO and.

639
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: I have set the set the clock. By him look, at.

640
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 4: THIS SO i I have i have very similar takes

641
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 4: On a Royo, and taylor not because they're the. Same

642
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: player i'm gonna say something that's gonna sound a. LITTLE

643
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 4: strange i love IT and I and i mean it

644
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: to the depths of. MY soul i really want to

645
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: pair these two up. WITH coaches i want to pair

646
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: you Up With dan Quinn And, cliff Kingsbury or sean McDermott,

647
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: in Buffalo Or mike Tomlin, And Pittsburgh jamika Ryans. IN

648
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 4: houston i want to find a Coach that i'm not

649
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: worried is going to get fired a year, from NOW

650
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 4: because i don't just need you to have. A plan

651
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 4: i need this to be like electing. A president i

652
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: don't just need you to have a plan for this

653
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 4: kid for the next. TWELVE months i need you have

654
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 4: a plan for him for the next four Years because

655
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: i'm going to invest capital Here that i'm not super.

656
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: Comfortable with i'm not comfortable with investing a second Round Picking.

657
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: Elijah royo i'm talking.

658
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: About that why? Is that why.

659
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: One year?

660
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: Of production i've watched way too many of, these guys

661
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: and he had. INJURY issues i feel like the MEDICAL

662
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: is i would love to get my hands on His medical.

663
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: I've heard the, seats insane like in a.

664
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 4: GOOD way i want, to say what, looks like just

665
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 4: does this kid have like? Mutant blood and like if you,

666
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: prick him does he bleed red blood like.

667
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: The rest, of US because i don't think.

668
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: He.

669
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 4: Does no at the, same time he had like five

670
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: catches in three Years at miami before.

671
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: This.

672
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: Year no AND again i think That's really i'm really

673
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: glad you brought, that up because the injury history the

674
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: one year of production are. Huge things but his one

675
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: year of production. Was crazy we talk about having the,

676
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: athletic upside the athletic ability to win one, on ones

677
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: to stretch, the seam to compete. In LINE like i

678
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: will say he's not great, in line but he's big

679
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: enough and he's competiti enough in line that you could

680
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: survive him with like as that Move f but it's

681
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: the matchups that he's able to create in, The offense

682
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: like if you come out in, twelve personnel they have

683
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: to match you. In nickel they have to match you.

684
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: In nickel they cannot put a linebacker on him because he's.

685
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: That fast he's that nuance as a. Route runner like

686
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: watching With The senior bowl live and in, living color

687
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: he's twitchy in the. Short area it's all the things.

688
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: You WANT but i love the Way that jeremy said

689
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: that because it's like all those things, are excellent but

690
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: he's been banged up and he's only had one year

691
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: of really good production with a guy who's going to

692
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: be a top five.

693
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: Picker, quarterback like.

694
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: Those things are things that are huge. Red, flags again,

695
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: the athlete the, talent's there but can you Stay healthy

696
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 1: kenny could. HAVE done i have no IDEA but i

697
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: totally agree with what you're.

698
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: Seeing There elijah royo is one of.

699
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 4: Those players it's almost like The old goosebump books of

700
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 4: you go to this page to get the ending that

701
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: you want if you want to. Love him if you

702
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: want to, LOVE him i can give you a handful.

703
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: Of tape you Watch The wake, forest tape you'll think

704
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: he's the second Coming Of. Rob, gronkowski yeah now you

705
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: put On the duke tape if you want to. Hate

706
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: him but there that Tape With. Manny diaz he manipulated

707
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: that kid for sixty.

708
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: Four.

709
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: Minutes, yeah INTERESTING and i.

710
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: Love IT and i see those two tapes and it's

711
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 4: such an interesting dichotomy. For me and that leads to

712
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 4: the third round, for me the third rounds of the.

713
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: Honey HILL if i WAS AN, NFL gm i would

714
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 4: get fired in three YEARS because i would just a

715
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 4: year over year keep trading out one to accumulate assets

716
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: from about forty five to, seventy five because that's the

717
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 4: honey hole seemingly in.

718
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: Every draft, to, ME dude i think that's one hundred.

719
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: Percent right and that's something we've. Talked about JASON and

720
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: i have talked about a lot with this, draft specifically

721
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: is like the, top is there's so much risk associated

722
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: with it because.

723
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: They all got.

724
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: A hit and there's nobody in this draft in the

725
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: first round that you're like in love and. Love with,

726
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: but man there are some excellent football players in that

727
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: second and. Third ROUND so i think that's great analysis.

728
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: By You, all right let's GET into.

729
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: I not agree with that there's not guys in the

730
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 4: first round that you're in love in love With THAT i'm,

731
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 4: I mean i'm saying in roses to some of.

732
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: These, dudes, NO okay I Mean i'm i'm in love.

733
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: With them don't, get it don't get, me Wrong but

734
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: i'm saying it's not like the risk associated with the first. Round,

735
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: pick Sometimes like i'd rather have two second round picks

736
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: or two third round picks in, some years and this

737
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: year feels like that a.

738
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 4: Little bit let's talk about. Year two, for me it's

739
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: and it's. So CLOSE but I have loveland. At, TOO

740
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: yeah i still.

741
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: Love.

742
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: HIM yeah i think we get.

743
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: Into this.

744
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: We get worn down with guys that we have talked

745
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: about for this LONG and i look at all Of these.

746
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: MICHIGAN guys i never thought we were going to be

747
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 4: crucifying the Tape On will johnson the way that. We are,

748
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: oh YEAH and i think it's hilarious that he's gonna

749
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: end up falling to a good team that's borderline playoff

750
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 4: team because everybody's worried about how straight line fast he

751
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 4: is when he's An off he's an off, Zone corner

752
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: so why do you care about how straight line fast?

753
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: He is, but whatever we get guys involved in the

754
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 4: draft that we call Him our CANADAN, because i for,

755
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: some reason cannot spell The. WORD canadian i always leave out.

756
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: The eye so EVERY time i Say our canadan is

757
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 4: his Name's, not daniel which would make it better if.

758
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: He was but he has a line of it is

759
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 4: free to, say stuff like it costs you zero money to,

760
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 4: say Stuff And colston lovelin kind of falls into that.

761
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 4: For ME of i hear people detegrate him for things

762
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 4: that don't really make a lot of sense.

763
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: To me but there's no there's no real substance to.

764
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: The argument so what's.

765
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 4: The argument the guy had no quarterback, last year he

766
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: played through injuries last year and he was, Still good

767
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 4: like it's still really. Really, good yeah he was, Their

768
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: offense like he's just all they had it was him

769
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 4: and two running backs that it was like they were playing,

770
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: ro shambos which one would?

771
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: Be Worse.

772
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 4: Just donovan Edwards And, khalail mulligs which one of us

773
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: is worse today from? Paper, scissors shoot oh?

774
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: It's me, Yeah yeah so for, Me Spoiler colston lovelin's.

775
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: My one and the THING that i came back to

776
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: with him specifically is you're always looking for that, chess,

777
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: piece right that, chess piece that joker piece in your

778
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: offense that could win versus man to man coverage that

779
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: isn't going to be a liability in the, run game

780
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: but ultimately can Do Your, travis Kelce Your george kittle kind.

781
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Of stuff and of the GUYS that i Watched that

782
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: i've watched over the last couple, of years Even Including,

783
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: kyle pitts to, BE honest i, was like this is

784
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: the GUY that i have the most confidence in him

785
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: being able to, do that like some of the like the,

786
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: route nuanced subtlety stuff that he was Talking that jeremy

787
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: was talking About With, Mitchell, EVANS like I think colson's,

788
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: got IT and i think he's a. BETTER athlete i think.

789
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: HE'S bigger i think. HE'S longer i think he tracks the.

790
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: Football BETTER so i just thought in terms of, a

791
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: weapon a pass, CATCHING weapon i think he's he's got

792
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: that it FACTOR that i don't think anybody else quite

793
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: has in this.

794
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 4: Draft class he's almost, six,' six yeah and he won't

795
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: be twenty one until either right before right.

796
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: AFTER draft night i can't. Remember this one so still,

797
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: a young kid.

798
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 4: Still developing kid and THE question that, i have asked

799
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 4: and it's the tape, on my one is just SO

800
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 4: good that i.

801
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: Can't help IT and, maybe I should because i do keep.

802
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: Asking the question i'm looking at My evol on loveland

803
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: right now and there's a there's a line at the

804
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 4: top of the page that's just it's a reminder for

805
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 4: ME of when i. Watched the tape this was the

806
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: thing that kept rattling around. In my Brain and on,

807
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 4: loveland's it says how good would he Have Been?

808
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: With, Drew aller.

809
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: Dude it's a it's a great it's it is THE

810
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: question AND i and, i for, ME was like, i

811
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: don't know he's JUST got.

812
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: That nfl thing so let's talk.

813
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: About your one, no spoilers here You got some jason.

814
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 5: More, we, go yeah well before we get, INTO the

815
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 5: one i kind of wanted to set This Up because

816
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 5: colson loveland, Was your. One jeremy's two jeremy's one is

817
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 5: who we're about. To talk about hero. Is YOUR two

818
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 5: so i want you to start and tell me why

819
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 5: is your number two and not, your number One and

820
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 5: then jeremy's going to tell you.

821
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: Why, you're wrong, Okay, Ready, fight okay ready. Here we

822
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: go so just to, be perfectly clear both these, players,

823
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: Are excellent right they're.

824
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: Excellent football Players loveland and. Warren are excellent SO the

825
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: thing i, Came to dude warren's film is a.

826
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: Blast to watch it's a. Blast to WATCH.

827
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: Like he i said This before and i'm gonna get killed,

828
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: for It again but i'm gonna.

829
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: Say it again he reminds me a little bit Like

830
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: Of like.

831
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: Ron gronkowski light he's just bigger and stronger and better

832
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: than the people. He's playing against his ability to, win

833
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: contested catches his ability to compete in line in, the

834
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: run game to be, the wildcat quarterback all that stuff is.

835
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: There for him he plays with, the right. Mentality THE

836
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: physicality like i Really. Really like warren but THE thing

837
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: that i kept, coming back to Is he so coulson

838
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: is a f with plus? Pass game upside Warren is

839
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: a why with plus, pass game upside which means he's

840
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: a little, bit less athletic a, little BIT twitchy and

841
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: i think a little bit less likely because of those

842
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: athletic deficiencies to be featured in a pass game that's

843
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: going to make him a top ten player at the POSITION.

844
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: In the nfl it's it's. A subtle distinction it's a

845
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: is he still going to be?

846
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: An?

847
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: Excellent player absolutely but are you going to be comfortable

848
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: with lining him up all over the formation to? Create those,

849
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: matchups You know like jeremy talked about this with some of,

850
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: The other guys like coaching is going to be really.

851
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: Important to that like if He Goes to new england, Ten,

852
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: years ago yeah he's going, To be excellent but there's

853
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that don't know how to, use

854
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: that Position that blocking why, TO that level i think

855
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: you can create a bunch of good. Matchups with them

856
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: not great, short area, quickness that's fine he wins. With

857
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: his size can you continue to do that? THE next

858
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: level i tend to think that guys who have high

859
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: contested catch rates in college don't translate WELL. To the

860
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: nfl and that's my only concern. WITH his game.

861
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 4: I cannot disagree with anything, you just said SO you

862
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: said i had to fight this out of why. He was,

863
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 4: wrong all right here's where the problem. That comes in

864
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 4: this is almost like arguing about which one of my,

865
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 4: children IS cuter because i think they're. Both REALLY cute

866
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 4: and i want to show you. ALL the pictures i

867
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: like one slightly better, than The other and i'll tell you.

868
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: WHY it's fit I Know where. TYLER warren's. GOING i

869
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 4: know i Don't know that i've ever been as confident

870
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: of a player in the top ten and where they're

871
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: going TO go that I Am. With tyler warren where

872
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 4: he's Going to the, Jets at seven he's going To

873
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 4: Be justin. FIELDS cole comet. I know exactly i. SEE

874
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 4: the path i watched the. FREE agency dollars i. GOT

875
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: it all I Feel like john nash in a beautiful.

876
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: Mind right now the numbers are. SPEAKING to ME i got.

877
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 4: I see it i can't Figure Out where, colston Loveland

878
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 4: goes and i'll TELL you where i think it's.

879
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: Going to be it's Going, To. Be indianapolis indy that.

880
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: Would be terrible that'd be. TERRIBLE for him.

881
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: I hate it so you have two quarterbacks who are

882
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: the best thing they do. Is run awesome that's that

883
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 4: is really conducive for a pass catcher got.

884
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: In, at fourteen dude if He, goes to Indy. That'd,

885
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: be yeah again this is where the draft is. Such

886
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: a crapshoot like let's say you flip those And You

887
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: say colson loveland Goes to the Jets and then Warren. Goes,

888
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: TO indianapolis like i feel the same way because, the

889
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: quarterback situation the way they're using the. Offense Isn't great

890
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: what I'd really like coulson and go is to go

891
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: in a little bit of a slide and either Go

892
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: to the commanders that won't happen or Go To. THE

893
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: denver Broncos I Think peyton sean payton really would understand

894
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: how to use that skill set at a high level

895
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: and you get a really nice productive year from. Both

896
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: OF them but i think that's a Great. Point by,

897
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: jeremy this summer seekek has your ticket to the best

898
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,520
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899
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,399
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900
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: wattage performances from your favorite artists. All summer long seekek

901
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,800
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902
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: from rock royalty TO rap SUPERSTARS r and, b to

903
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,360
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904
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: Taking Partner Of Northwest state summer concerts season officially Starts.

905
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: With sea, geek, all right now let's get into what everyone's.

906
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: BEEN waiting for i don't know if everyone's. BEEN waiting

907
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: for i think tight ends are way more exciting than.

908
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks This, year but jeremy let's do a, really high

909
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: level like what you're looking for, in a quarterback, just

910
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: high level kind of a couple bullet points and we'll

911
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: get INTO top five.

912
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: I feel, like AND now look i have over the.

913
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 4: LAST few years I can't say i have been the most.

914
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 4: Accurate with quarterbacks i'll just say the list of guys

915
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: that have been more accurate than me is, very very

916
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 4: short and you could probably put it.

917
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: ALL to time.

918
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: I love it I Did have jaydon daniels at, one

919
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: LAST year and i, Can, prove.

920
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: That yeah that IS that's, why i mean you said

921
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: that on, our last show and we're here, for it man,

922
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: Because we agree.

923
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: SO go ahead i feel like quarterback is the one

924
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: position where dudes start doing dude.

925
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: Things and lie explain TO you what i. MEAN by that.

926
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: A single guy will meete a pretty girl in a

927
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 4: bar and she could have a severed head, in her

928
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 4: trunk and if, SHE'S cute enough i.

929
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: Can fix her, Like it's, fine, I'm GOOD yep but

930
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: i still have a.

931
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: Lot, Of questions why like there are so many, women

932
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 4: out there why do you have to have the axe

933
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: murderer with a head in the back? Of a buick

934
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 4: and that's KIND of how i fall in on at

935
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 4: least one of the high end quarterbacks.

936
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: In this class you Ask me what, I'm looking for

937
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: just do the.

938
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 4: Basics so well you should not have huge categorical flaws.

939
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 4: In Your game cam ward does, not have. Big, SCREAMING

940
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 4: flaws yeah i think he's limited.

941
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: SURE in that i.

942
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: DON'T know.

943
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 4: THAT i don't i think, he's a good. NOT great

944
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 4: athlete i think he has a good. NOT great arm

945
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: i think he's he could really spin it when. He's

946
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 4: in rhythm i'm fine with. All of that that's a.

947
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: First round, quarterback to me there's not another one of those.

948
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 4: In this class there's just not there's not a first.

949
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 4: Round talent, here and. LOOK my two i, love my.

950
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 4: Two my two. I'm doing. THIS say anything i got

951
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: the boombox. Outside the window just, come, love ME bro

952
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: because i really wanted you to go to like one

953
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: of eight teams and it's gonna be.

954
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: None Of them but.

955
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: I'm be sad so let's get, into IT then BECAUSE

956
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: i can't i. Really can't wait, And this year i'm to,

957
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: BE perfectly candid i have not watched as MUCH quarterback

958
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: as i NORMALLY watch because i don't care that. Much

959
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: This year so i'm gonna give you my super. High

960
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: level takes jason has watched more quarterback than. Me this

961
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: year so we're going to. Get ON this but i think.

962
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 1: Let's get going you got, Something, TO say.

963
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 5: Yeah i think the best way to do this is

964
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 5: to do like just say what, quarterbacks you like and

965
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 5: like just say, You're, top five jeremy and then like whichever, one,

966
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 5: you're like oh let's talk. About this guy let's just. Talk,

967
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 5: about him okay like a, LITTLE less structured i guess

968
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 5: than the ends Because here in washington we don't, care

969
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 5: that much so let's just hit.

970
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: The hot Topics so auguess, I'll, go first jeremy and

971
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: then you can Tell me. If i'm wrong so my

972
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: Top five is, milroe, as?

973
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: Five right? Shuck oh shuck Oh, From uh?

974
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: Waitrose, you're?

975
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: Five yeah dude who else? Would? You, are yeah like

976
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: then give, me, a, second here guy give. Me a, second,

977
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: Come on shuck.

978
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm, Gonna, go shador dart and Then obviously cam ward

979
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: at One is my those are, my five there and

980
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: then now, you, tell.

981
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: Me wait, we, agree, one, ONE three. Four i have,

982
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 4: Ward is one dart, Is my two chadur, Is, My

983
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 4: three tower shuck?

984
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: Is, my, four?

985
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: Okay okay perfect then? Who's?

986
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: Your?

987
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: Five?

988
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: QUEEN yours dude. I like.

989
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: It let's talk let's talk ABOUT him because i actually like.

990
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: Him a lot so let's talk. ABOUT that one. I

991
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: like that let's start THERE because actually. I totally forgot

992
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: i did. An evaluation him milroe was. A lazy one

993
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: i'm GOING to say i was Being. Lazy with milroe

994
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: i'm backing out. On that now.

995
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: So My Great.

996
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 4: On jalen milroe if it could, HAVE been negative i

997
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 4: would have made it, a.

998
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: Negative dude it's a tough, film to.

999
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: WATCH no doubt i THINK the thing i SETTLED in

1000
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: on i think it was a little bit more predictive

1001
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: with THIS on who i LIKE where that i think

1002
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: the order they. Will actually Go, AND with milroe i,

1003
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: SEE the athlete i see. THE arm, talent i, THINK

1004
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: like you i think fit is going to. Be really

1005
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: important like can he go to, a spot, like For

1006
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: example like philly and be the backup there for three

1007
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: years and grow and develop in an offense with a really,

1008
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: Good Offensive line LIKE that's where i see him going

1009
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: because the. Talent IS there but i think the like

1010
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: the thing you said at the, beginning OF this which

1011
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: i think is the most important thing with a quarterback

1012
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: is can they do?

1013
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: The?

1014
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: Easy stuff.

1015
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: Well he does milroe does the high, level stuff well

1016
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: but the easy stuff.

1017
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: Is not good is he.

1018
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: Like an old O'dule's Version? Of, Anthony richardson yes like

1019
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 5: he's just he's, just, very athletic right he's, an elite

1020
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 5: runner but he's, not as big, not as fast and.

1021
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 5: HE'S not accurate i.

1022
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: Want to get jeremy', stut on this, But For me

1023
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: anthony richardson was a unicorn, ATHLETE unicorn terms i.

1024
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: Would pay, That, that's why Yes It's.

1025
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 5: Not, ANTHONY richardson yeah.

1026
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: I don't know i kind of feel like that's. A

1027
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: good comparison what Do You Think jeremy.

1028
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: Jalen milroe Does look like anthony richards and if he

1029
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 4: was about eighteen beers deep. On his film so the background,

1030
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: On my computer i'm a, Reasonably TECHY guy so i

1031
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 4: made a gift of the Opening Interception of Jalen, milroe

1032
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: against vanderbilt which is legitimately The worst throw.

1033
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: I've ever seen.

1034
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 4: Not a great thing if you if you put that

1035
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: with a bunch of, EIGHT year olds i would be

1036
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 4: yelling at, the kid's dad going what? Is he doing

1037
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: and you Did. That at alabama that's the background on

1038
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 4: my computer of it just spins constantly of do Not

1039
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 4: Fall for jalen milroe.

1040
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: Under any circumstance.

1041
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 5: Now, you say that but what if he falls into

1042
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 5: like a very late round and, like You're saying like

1043
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 5: philly takes him or, Someone like, That, it's like okay

1044
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 5: it's worth a shot. With this guy you're not paying

1045
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 5: im any what's the?

1046
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 4: High Side there and i'm just gonna use the example

1047
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: that you, Gave All right So Philadelphia, had kenny pickett

1048
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 4: who they've now traded for a Draft. Pick, to cleveland

1049
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: Yes they have TANNER McKee that i believe. IN a

1050
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: Lot i think tanner McKee will be a starting quarterback

1051
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: in this league before it's all.

1052
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: SAID and.

1053
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 4: Done i Agree so now i'm Gonna take mill row

1054
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: as like a developmental three that's gonna get five percent

1055
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: of snaps, outside OF camp and i don't think he's

1056
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 4: ever going to. DEVELOP that way i think he will be,

1057
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 4: A DECENT runner like i can run the. Veer with

1058
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: Him So if lou holtz started OACH in the nfl

1059
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 4: Would have a.

1060
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: I'd be giddy but that's.

1061
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: ALL he is i think that's THE thing is i

1062
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: think so he's on the list because the, talent for

1063
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: me that's why he's on the list is. The TALENTS

1064
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: there But i think i've broke my own. Rule WITH

1065
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: him Is i think jeremy brings up, a great point

1066
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: is is it possible for him to get where he

1067
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: needs to be SERVICEABLE at the nfl level and the

1068
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: processing is. A little slow, like the athlete the arm,

1069
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: talent's all there but it's that's the thing with quarterback

1070
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: is you're not going to get a lot of, Opportunity

1071
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: to develop like we just talked, about tight ends like

1072
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: you'll have a couple of years to, figure it, out

1073
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: you know to kind of like set in develop the

1074
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: find a, role for you even if, it's not great

1075
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: even if the coaching staff, on the level like if

1076
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: you're drafted in the, first three rounds they'll give you

1077
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: three years to. Figure it out, but the quarterback it's not.

1078
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: Really like that, and SO again like i don't know

1079
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: if he, Ever gets there like watching him at times

1080
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: like just with reads and, seeing the. Field it's painful

1081
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 1: but he is a special talent in terms of. Throwing

1082
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: the football he's a special talent in. Terms of running

1083
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: so maybe you bet on those traits and figure out

1084
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: let's talk. About your five let's. Go quinin yours what are?

1085
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:03,959
Speaker 2: You seeing?

1086
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: Him the man the good, is really good the bad,

1087
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 4: is really bad but he can. Absolutely spin it AND

1088
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 4: the thing i come back to with yours is he's

1089
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 4: kind of In That. Like cole, COMET for me i just,

1090
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 4: can't quit you no MATTER how bad, i want TO

1091
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 4: because when i watch just, the raw tools the raw

1092
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 4: talent take take everything out.

1093
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 3: Put it all.

1094
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 4: In a vacuum how many players in college football can

1095
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: spin it better Than quin yours and. It's, not many

1096
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 4: yeah it's. A great point pressure grade. Is not good

1097
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 4: you put pressure on him and. Bad things happen but

1098
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 4: when it's. All clean IT here's what. I don't understand

1099
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: i don't understand how somebody can tell me that They

1100
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 4: Love shed or sanders And They hate quinn yours when

1101
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 4: they're literally.

1102
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: The same guy it's.

1103
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: A good point it's it's a.

1104
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: Really good point like it is funny HOW people get

1105
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: i don't know bias is, the right word but they

1106
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: kind of get in these like rhythms WHERE it's like

1107
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: i don't like these things, about this player but this

1108
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: other player does exactly the same thing and you don't

1109
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: and you're.

1110
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 2: OKAY with. Him i don't i've always that's. ALWAYS baffled

1111
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: me i think.

1112
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: When we get into.

1113
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 4: Very lazy comps one of the things that has always

1114
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: irked me to no, end is that, especially with quarterbacks

1115
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 4: we only compare quarterbacks to other quarterbacks that.

1116
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: Look, like them yeah.

1117
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 4: That's Not Accurate quin you Weres And shed or sanders

1118
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 4: do not look anything alike until you watch them on, tape,

1119
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: and go huh every, deficiency you have. You have right, the,

1120
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: DIFFERENCE is well i think one.

1121
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: Of them is.

1122
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 4: One of them has a medical that scares me to

1123
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 4: death with YOU wors because i feel like he gets

1124
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: hurt about. Every, third game yeah and that's it's hard

1125
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 4: for me to get on board with that because you're getting,

1126
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 4: Hurt in college you're gonna get hurt in.

1127
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 3: THE pros too i don't know if you didn't, DRINK

1128
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: enough milk, i don't know if you.

1129
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: DID nature wheaties, i don't know if you didn't Listen

1130
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 4: to hul cogan when he was telling you that when,

1131
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 4: WE were kids. I don't know but there's something about

1132
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 4: that kid that there's a lot of there's a lot

1133
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 4: of brittle. To queen youwers that's really the only difference

1134
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 4: between shadu or and, Yours FOR me.

1135
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: So i wanted to bring this up real. Quick with

1136
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: yours THE one thing i DID get when i was

1137
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: watching him a little bit is. The anticipatory throws and

1138
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: again they're not a big feature. Of that offense he

1139
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: doesn't do, it a lot which makes me. A little

1140
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: bit THAT'S something that i look for In quarterbacks like

1141
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: jeremy talked about the things. HE'S looking for i look.

1142
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: FOR anticipatory throws i look for. REQUISITE arm talent i

1143
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: look for kind of an. Innate playmaking ability whatever That

1144
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: gen sa qua. That magic is but the anticipatory throws for.

1145
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: Me are huge and again again it's not a huge

1146
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: Feature of. The TEXAS offense but i didn't see it

1147
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: to the SAME.

1148
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: Level that i Saw. It with shador what would you

1149
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: SAY to that.

1150
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 3: I don't love I.

1151
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 4: DON'T love sarkasian i love him as, a COLLEGE coach

1152
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 4: and I think sometimes i say THINGS and people i

1153
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 4: don't necessarily. Explain IT appropriately if i had a kid

1154
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 4: that was a five star, Blue Chip prospect steve sarkeysan

1155
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 4: would be on the very short list OF guys that

1156
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 4: i would want. Coaching him up, that being said he

1157
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 4: does not have a great track record OF coaching. Up,

1158
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 4: nfl quarterbacks yeah and he's, had some talent and it

1159
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 4: just kind of feels like the. Talent Never develops And

1160
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 4: that's where i'm. AT with, viewers i mean in terms

1161
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 4: of as a, high school prospect this was one of

1162
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 4: the highest rated prospects, we've ever seen and He goes

1163
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 4: to texas after That Year, at ohio state and it's

1164
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 4: felt like. HE never developed i also don't understand why

1165
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 4: guys commit to programs where they're the fifth quarterback in

1166
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: line like He Did.

1167
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: AT ohio state i don't know.

1168
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 4: Why you think that's, Going To work but i've watched

1169
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 4: it not, work ENOUGH times and i think youwers falls

1170
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: into that of you had that weird kind of Forgotten You're.

1171
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 4: At ohio state he dropped out. Of school early this

1172
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 4: was one of the first when the transfer portal really.

1173
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 4: Became a thing this was one of the first. Prizes

1174
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 4: of it He goes to texas and it just never

1175
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 4: it always felt kind of, clunky to me.

1176
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: And it never felt he was the best in.

1177
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 4: His Biggest games, that georgia tape if you can Watch

1178
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: him against georgia the second TIME in the sec title

1179
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 4: game and not, just absolutely good THAT kid's. An nfl

1180
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 4: quarterback it was about as good of A tape as

1181
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 4: i saw from a quarterback. This, Entire process SURE but

1182
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,959
Speaker 4: then i went and went And Watched the OHIO state,

1183
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 4: and i realized if you had even been a fraction

1184
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 4: of what You, were against georgia you Would Have.

1185
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: Beaten ohio state.

1186
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: The inconsistency with him is ALSO something that i had a.

1187
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: HARD time with i, don't get IT like, when i,

1188
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: understand like why like you're hurt or there's a, lot

1189
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: of pressure or your offensive lines banged up you can't,

1190
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: run the football or the receiver's hurt or, Whatever IT

1191
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: is like i understand THE inconsistency when i don't understand

1192
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: when it's not, clear to me like why one game

1193
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: you look like the second coming of, Whoever You, want

1194
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: joe montana and this next game you look like you

1195
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't BE. In the nfl that always makes me a

1196
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: little bit. Nervous as well.

1197
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: Yours is the definition of the.

1198
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 4: Hot, crazy scale, Yeah all right So.

1199
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: Four is shuck is? This Your?

1200
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: Name, Tyler Shuck yes Tyler. SHUCK from louisville i, Really,

1201
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: LIKE him like i really like. Him a lot like he,

1202
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: spins the, ball he's fast you can run some quarterback run.

1203
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: Stuff with, him HE'S big like i think you see

1204
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: the anticipatory, throws on tape like he elevated That, offense

1205
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: said louisville like did a lot of. Really good things

1206
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: but he is old and he is. Hurt a lot

1207
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: how do you.

1208
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 4: Feel ABOUT him so i said something the LAST time,

1209
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 4: THAT i was i was on, with YOU guys and

1210
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: i DON'T know IF i just.

1211
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: I don't know i DON'T know if i was. DRINKING

1212
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 3: that day I don't. Think i was so he does

1213
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 3: have three, season ending injuries but.

1214
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 2: They.

1215
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 4: Weren't ligament issues it was two collar bones and. A

1216
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 4: broken fibula i don't worry about that as much long.

1217
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 4: Term THE bone and i DON'T know if i just

1218
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 4: put that in, MY note. WRONG i don't i went

1219
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 4: back and listen to, that and WENT why did I

1220
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 4: say that? That's not true.

1221
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: He doesn't have the he doesn't have weak knees or.

1222
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 4: ANYTHING like that i think He may have it's. Possible

1223
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 4: his bone his bones are a little bit brittle, because

1224
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 4: collar bone two collar. Bones is weird that's not a

1225
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 4: normal thing to see from a kid that's twenty.

1226
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: Five years old.

1227
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 4: That tends to happen, to older players because as, time

1228
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 4: goes on your bones. Become More Brittle and aaron rodgers

1229
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: he'd had no issue until he was, like thirty five thirty, six,

1230
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 4: years old sure and then he had two of them,

1231
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 4: in five years one of Them, with the jets one

1232
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 4: of them with The. With the packers that is. Unsettling

1233
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 4: to me but in a QUARTERBACK class that, i believe

1234
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 4: in this little seeing the, Raw in. HIM i'm, good

1235
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 4: i mean and, it wasn't he but he all of

1236
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 4: a sudden in his age, twenty five season he was

1237
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 4: better than everybody.

1238
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: On the field those guys scare?

1239
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: Me to?

1240
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 4: Death can he pickett WAS never an nfl quarterback until

1241
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 4: he was two or three years older than. Everybody's, PLAYING

1242
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 4: against sure i run away from those guys. Like active grenades,

1243
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 4: IN no way i won't take them in the. First

1244
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 4: five rounds the bust rates like. Ninety five percent schuck

1245
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 4: was good even when. He was younger he just. Kept,

1246
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 4: getting hurt.

1247
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 5: Jeremy let me Ask You. ABOUT jackson dart i think

1248
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 5: this is the next one. On our list We're gonna

1249
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 5: Save shugar and kim because they're the top two across.

1250
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 5: Most NATIONAL media but i want to ask you about

1251
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 5: him because you're Very high On. Dart, from mississippi.

1252
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 3: Yes he's my number two.

1253
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 4: In this class he is the one quarterback in this

1254
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 4: class that doesn't wilt like day old flowers when the pressure.

1255
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 3: Gets TURNED up and.

1256
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 4: I get it everybody, wants, to say well he was

1257
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 4: in a pick and Pop Offense at old miss and

1258
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 4: he didn't really even have to, think about anything and

1259
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 4: look at how good. The, receivers were, okay all right

1260
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 4: you DO realize that i can say everything you just

1261
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 4: Said about, schdor sanders.

1262
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: Too and probably even in terms, OF receiver talent i,

1263
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: think they're like all four of his receivers are getting, drafted,

1264
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: this year right, probably you think.

1265
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: And we'll be priority. Undrafted, free agents.

1266
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah and then one of The Dudes from old, misses getting?

1267
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: DRAFTED right? AM i am i off on That.

1268
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 4: You'll get Watkins, you'll get Wells You'll, get trey.

1269
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: Harris all those guys. THAT get Drafted I think.

1270
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 3: Trey harris will Go.

1271
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 4: Into twin wells he ran so poorly that he may,

1272
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 4: not get Drafted and then watkins, ran really well which

1273
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 4: probably GETS him into, i don't know.

1274
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: Middle, of SIX yeah but I guess what I'M saying,

1275
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: is i Felt After watching old miss And after, watching

1276
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: colorad know the Receiver TALENT at colorado i, thought was,

1277
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: BETTER you know i thought, It WAS better so i think.

1278
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 4: IT was equivalent i can't say it was better because

1279
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 4: they Didn't Have, A trey Harris I, mean TRAVIS hunter

1280
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 4: but i also look AT, In the sec i'm playing

1281
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 4: a much higher. LEVEL of defense i put Nothing Into

1282
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 4: the big TWELVE solely because i think with ALL the prospects,

1283
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 4: I have GRATED i think i have like eight Guys

1284
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 4: from the big twelve that are, draftable defensive players and

1285
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 4: one Of Them, is travis hunter who is everybody as

1286
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 4: good a receiver as he.

1287
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: IS a corner i don't put a lot of.

1288
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 4: Stock, IN that yeah i just don't understand why the

1289
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 4: pick and Pop thing with dart is such. A big

1290
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: deal but then people will just kind of admit That,

1291
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 4: with with shduur Which Is, with sean lewis that's exactly

1292
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 4: what he was doing the.

1293
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: Exact, SAME offense.

1294
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah i don't get that because The tape, on DART'S

1295
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 4: better and i don't think it's.

1296
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 3: All that close it's.

1297
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: A great point i think you see more throws. DOWN

1298
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: the field i think When you watch shador it's there

1299
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: are throws, down the. Field no doubt but the offense

1300
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: Is Much more what i'm going to say Is like,

1301
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: a texas offense, much more horizontal like, lots of screens lots,

1302
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 1: of UNDERNEATH stuff and i think he does a great job,

1303
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: of reading short does a great job of reading. That

1304
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: STUFF out but i do think you see a little

1305
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: bit more dynamism Is the word i'm.

1306
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: Gonna Use with jackson dart in terms of pushing the football.

1307
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: Down the field that ball kind of comes off his

1308
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: hand with some more RPMs like the, far hash comeback

1309
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff you'll SEE at.

1310
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 2: THE nfl level i just think there's.

1311
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: More volume there it's kind of one of THE reasons

1312
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: THAT i like jj McCarthy last year a LITTLE bit

1313
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: is i felt like he could do MORE of, the

1314
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: NFL stuff and I Feel like jackson, dart in college

1315
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: even though the offense is, a good offense it's, a

1316
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: simpler offense has a little bit more, of that stuff

1317
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: of the physical. Stuff on tape.

1318
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 5: So Let's move To. Schaduran Cam ward and i'm going

1319
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 5: to start this One off because i'm, just a guy,

1320
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 5: not the expert and most just the guys out there

1321
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 5: and the casual fan like me that's sitting around sees

1322
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 5: these guys as one two And They see shdura sanders,

1323
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 5: and they're like, that's, A guy right SO what do i.

1324
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 5: SEE from, Him i mean mike. COMP for him i told.

1325
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 5: You this once logan is Like he's the. Batman to

1326
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 5: me he, has no superpower but he has A lot, of,

1327
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 5: He's rich right like he's. Rich with Talent he's got dion.

1328
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 5: Helping him Out He's got travis, hunter with him and

1329
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 5: he's good, at almost everything but no superpower and can

1330
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 5: get the crap beat. Out of him if, He's not

1331
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 5: careful bane can. Break his back so that's KIND of how.

1332
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 5: I see him if he goes to. A Good situation

1333
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 5: like i'm, thinking to myself, maybe this guy, He's got

1334
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 5: tools he's got, the tool belt he's got, the.

1335
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 3: Bat belt he's.

1336
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 5: Got the batmobile like he's got some. Of these, things

1337
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 5: this ATHLETICISM and like i think that's what people kind

1338
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 5: of bet on with him and what. They look at

1339
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 5: but he does take a lot of hits and a

1340
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 5: lot of sacks and holds onto the ball and not

1341
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 5: all of that is. The, line's fault JEREMY? Why am i?

1342
01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 5: This is why i'm.

1343
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: Just a guy.

1344
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 5: You're an expert Tell me if i'm seeing this Right or,

1345
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 5: if i'm wrong or let me let me. Know. Your

1346
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 5: feedback here.

1347
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 4: I'm more angry that you just took A. SHOT at

1348
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 4: batman a shadow of it out MY favorite super I have.

1349
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 4: A batman Tattoo. I love batman batman doesn't. Have a,

1350
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 4: superpower He's loaded and I'm Convinced, that elon musk when

1351
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 4: he gets tired of messa, with the government he's gonna Become.

1352
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 4: Real life batman you just go throw on the, SUIT

1353
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 4: and go, I got money, let's do this. Make it,

1354
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 4: Happen UH shoulder So i have there are there are

1355
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 4: a FEW stats that i use with quarterbacks that are.

1356
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 4: Almost like disqualifiers and the first one is gonna sound

1357
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 4: REALLY wonky when. I Say it shador sanders turnover worthy

1358
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 4: play rate was one. Point three percent.

1359
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 3: That's a.

1360
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 4: Disqualifier for me why because it means you. Take, no

1361
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: shots ever it's THE same problem I Had. With caleb

1362
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 4: williams you are safe to a point of almost completely

1363
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 4: hamstringing yourself because you're so worried.

1364
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: ABOUT throwing interceptions i watch him on tape and there's a.

1365
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 4: Lot of screens there's a lot, of manufactured touches there's

1366
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 4: a lot of, dink and dunk there's a lot of

1367
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 4: THE best tape i Ever saw shedor standers was when

1368
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 4: he was able to stay in the pocket for two and.

1369
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 4: A half seconds that doesn't HAPPEN. In the nfl you're gonna.

1370
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 4: Get heated up and when he, gets heated up he

1371
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 4: turns into a. Non draftable, quarterback to me he starts

1372
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 4: turning his back, to the line which for Me is

1373
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:43,959
Speaker 4: the that is like. The unforgivable sin when you start doing.

1374
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 4: That bailout, thing and look there's some quarterbacks that, Are

1375
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 4: Athletic enough lamar jackson can get. By With it Shadoor Sanders.

1376
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 4: At lamar jackson so when you, start doing that that's

1377
01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 4: a complete breakdown of, all things mechanic because now you're

1378
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 4: gonna have to spin back, to the line get back

1379
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 4: into your progression having completely taken eyes.

1380
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 3: Off of it that would be the.

1381
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 4: Equivalent of telling this kid that you were going to

1382
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 4: play pin the tail, on the donkey putting the, mask

1383
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 4: on him, spinning him around and then asking him to

1384
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 4: hit a receiver. In a second. It doesn't work it's

1385
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 4: not gonna. Work For him shadoor sanders is the best

1386
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 4: seven On seven quarterback. I've ever seen like if we

1387
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 4: played flag FOOTBALL, In the nfl he's the number one,

1388
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 4: picking this draft and. It's not close the problem is

1389
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 4: that we don't and somebody's. Gonna overdraft him i'm ninety

1390
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 4: nine point ninety nine percent sure it's a team.

1391
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 3: In your division i've never been as.

1392
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 4: Confident of anything I've, never had chador Not to the

1393
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 4: giants in any mock.

1394
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: Draft.

1395
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: I'VE done no i think they need a. Quarterback for sure.

1396
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 4: His actions lend to somebody, has told him. You're not

1397
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 4: falling did you see him at the at the at

1398
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 4: his actual, Availability.

1399
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: Media wise.

1400
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah it's crazy.

1401
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 3: Was that off putting to you?

1402
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: A little, bit i mean, because you know get these

1403
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: guys to, get up there and they treat it, like

1404
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: an interview and, they're very professional and they're, very locked

1405
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: in and, they're VERY accommodating and i just felt like

1406
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: he was there kind, of UNAPOLOGETICALLY him. Which i Appreciate but,

1407
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: also i'm like is the fact you're, turning down teams

1408
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: you're kind of being brashed to teams because you think

1409
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: you're not going to get a draft by them is

1410
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: an interesting? Move by, him so again, LIKE off putting,

1411
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: i don't know a, little theatrical maybe but it, was

1412
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: an interesting interesting, choice, AND someone definitely i would agree

1413
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of either gave him really good advice or gave him.

1414
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: Some POOR advice and i guess we'll find out here

1415
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: in a.

1416
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 4: COUPLE of weeks i will tell You something About shador

1417
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 4: that i've yet to hear anybody in national media. Say

1418
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 4: OUT loud and i went back and. CHECKED the uh

1419
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 4: i checked the schedule to make SURE that what i was.

1420
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 4: Saying was right he had two receivers that were doing

1421
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 4: their media availability while he was Walking Around with joseina

1422
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 4: anderson doing the, look at me, look at me, look

1423
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 4: at me. Look at Me interesting if, I'M your receiver

1424
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 4: i don't love the fact that my quarterback is making

1425
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 4: everything About him and i've got two people standing in.

1426
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: Front, OF me, YEAH i mean i don't love that

1427
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 3: these are supposed to.

1428
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 5: Be.

1429
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: Your guys yeah the one thing that got me was,

1430
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: when they, were you Know Him and cam warred were

1431
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: having that throwing session and it's all. Over the Internet, It's,

1432
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: ON instagram twitter i think it's on, YouTube as well and,

1433
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: And You know cam, warred's, gonna say, oh you don't

1434
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: you're kind of A check down Charlie and he the

1435
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: first Thing should or sanders, said, IS like well i

1436
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: didn't have. The offensive line like those. TYPES of comments

1437
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: i know. THEY'RE in jest i know he's, a young

1438
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: guy but they make me just a little bit concerned

1439
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: that like when, it gets hot like when it gets a,

1440
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: little bit difficult which it WILL, In the nfl like

1441
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: what's your reaction? Going to be and again like this

1442
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: is part. Of THE process and i don't think we're

1443
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: not trying to, kill the kid like he's just what

1444
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 1: is he twenty? One years old but those are things

1445
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: that definitely come to the forefront of mind with him

1446
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: that are, a little concerning and especially in a Big Market,

1447
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: like new york like they're not going to go easy,

1448
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: on you there and you're.

1449
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 4: GOING to think i LAUGH when, people i Laugh especially when,

1450
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 4: shador said, it but this well he didn't have. The

1451
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 4: offensive line you also realized that he didn't go up

1452
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 4: against the. Pass, rushers either sure there are no big

1453
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 4: twelve pass rushers. In this class like the best one

1454
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 4: you're going To see IS, baddie from. Byu who's good

1455
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 4: and if you go back and WATCH those two Byu

1456
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 4: tapes where, Colorado played them chador.

1457
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: Wasn't, particularly good.

1458
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah did you ever notice that in every tape that

1459
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 4: you actually put a legit pass, rusher out there and everybody, wants,

1460
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 4: to say oh it's because of.

1461
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 3: The offensive line maybe it's because he. Can't, handle pressure.

1462
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah and that's.

1463
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: A huge deal and that's something we talked about with

1464
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: last year's quarterbacks. Quite a bit and it is a,

1465
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: it's a factor and it's something. That's really significant and

1466
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: there's no magic bullet when it comes. To quarterback evaluation

1467
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: there's no like this data point, Leads to this but

1468
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: that is one of those ones that has a little

1469
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: bit less noise. Associated with it and if you have

1470
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: a bad pressure, rate in college usually you struggle WITH.

1471
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: In the nfl and and for a guy that has is,

1472
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: somewhat athletically, limited You Know, because jane daniels he his pressure.

1473
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: Is pressure rate when, he took pressure his completion. Percentage

1474
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: went down it was everyone was talking about. That LAST

1475
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: year But I think jane daniels' athleticism allows him. TO

1476
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: overcome that i don't think you see the Same.

1477
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 4: Thing, with, shador yeah no it's it's it's almost shocking how. Unathletic,

1478
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 4: he is.

1479
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 5: Well My, Apologies, to batman yeah you, should, be apology

1480
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 5: yes and, Apologies. To you jeremy so let's move On The.

1481
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 5: Cam ward logan you. CAN start here i will say

1482
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 5: that like THE first time i was brought On the

1483
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 5: cam Ward Was Through. Saint. ANA moss sure i was

1484
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 5: sitting with him and we Were watching The miami, in

1485
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 5: florida game and he does this kid is going. To

1486
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 5: be special you. Just watch him he's to be something special.

1487
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 5: In the league he meant not just at college and

1488
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 5: he had a. Pretty good season he's most. People's Number,

1489
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 5: one now logan he's, your number one and talk to.

1490
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: Me, ABOUT him, YEAH i mean i just think there's

1491
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: a maturity, to HIS game. WHICH i, appreciate i, think

1492
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: you know he's. An older player he's kicked around to a,

1493
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: Couple different programs he's learned. SOME different offenses i think.

1494
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: THAT shows up i think there's a composure to him.

1495
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 1: IN the pocket i think there's a natural playmaking. ABILITY

1496
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: to him i think he's, aggressive at points almost. TO

1497
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,560
Speaker 1: a fault i think he spins the football at. A

1498
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: high level i think he handles. Pressure, relatively WELL again,

1499
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: LIKE i think i Think the way jerrymy characterized it,

1500
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: is he's good not great in a, lot of categories

1501
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: and the thing that makes me feel really good about

1502
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: it is he does have this kind, of playmaking moxie

1503
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: just like when it's time to make when it's, when it's,

1504
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: time you know it's it's it's we're getting up. Pressed

1505
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,839
Speaker 1: against it he just has an ability to make plays

1506
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: and kind of be in the moment. And BE composed

1507
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: and i think back to my TIME, in the nfl

1508
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: and the best quarterbacks played with were guys that had

1509
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: that kind of ice in their veins. At all times

1510
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: the moment was never too. Big FROM him and i see,

1511
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: That with him and So that's why i'm SO confident

1512
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: is i think he's got. A good arm i think

1513
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: he's got a good. Composure ABOUT him and i think

1514
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: he's got a great knack for making plays when he's got.

1515
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: To make him and there's. SOMETHING to that.

1516
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 3: I agree with everything.

1517
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 4: You just said the thing that scares Me about cam

1518
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 4: ward is that he, doesn't Take, singles will.

1519
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 1: Dude great, point great, Point. Great point jude.

1520
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 4: He really likes to hit the home run one d

1521
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 4: percent and he's. GOOD at, it i mean this is

1522
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 4: the reason we don't let children play with fireworks is

1523
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 4: that they find and thinks they can blow, up and

1524
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 4: hey it's such.

1525
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 3: Fun to watch. Don't do that.

1526
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 4: And he has a quality of that of you can

1527
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 4: tell he played at a lower. LEVEL of competition i

1528
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 4: think he did with with all three of his stops

1529
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 4: to be really. On Incarnate Word obviously, Washington state, Obviously

1530
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 4: hey LOOK i'm. An acc guy WE covered the acc.

1531
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 4: Hands ON here the acc is not good, at this

1532
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 4: point Especially Not with. Florida state down and you just

1533
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 4: kind of look through the Games that cam ward had.

1534
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 4: This Past year the florida. TAPE was intriguing i didn't

1535
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 4: love The. Tape against louisville.

1536
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 3: It was fine.

1537
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 4: But wasn't great there's just A lot Of Syracuse in

1538
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 4: Iowa State and wake forest and col Those are not

1539
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 4: those are NOT tapes that i. Can really use AND

1540
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 4: then when I nested and i'm just, going to level

1541
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 4: he's still the SAME guy that i would have had

1542
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 4: as the fifth quarterback in. Last year's class that's hard

1543
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 4: for me to unsee because he came into the twenty

1544
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 4: twenty Four class originally withdrew wanted To Go, to ohio

1545
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 4: state wanted To Go, to florida state and then Finally.

1546
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 4: Settle on miami he would have been behind the three, Highest, End, Guys.

1547
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 4: Jaden drake caleb he would have Also Been. Behind michael,

1548
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 4: pennox for.

1549
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: Me is that?

1550
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 5: The worst thing because that was, a Historic, class right

1551
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 5: like so if you throw, that class out how MUCH

1552
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 5: this guy i think? IT will, BE i Mean? I,

1553
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 5: do drakes?

1554
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 4: Okay ALL right and i argued this so much LAST

1555
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 4: year and i didn't know, you Guys then so i'll

1556
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 4: do it in the. Vacuum, RIGHT now sure i THINK

1557
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 4: there's one a plus quarterback, in That. CLASS as jake

1558
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 4: i think there was one eight quarterback, in that class And.

1559
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 4: THAT was drake i think everybody else is a. COMPLETE toss,

1560
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 4: up I?

1561
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 2: THOUGHT what, drake i, Thought? You, said jayden no what are? We? Talking,

1562
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 2: About no JAYDEN was.

1563
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,759
Speaker 3: My A plus The, a was drake and then everybody

1564
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 3: else is a.

1565
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: Complete, toss up Okay, that was okay dodged, The, Bullet

1566
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: THERE no but i THINK that THAT'S i think i

1567
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: agree with, that SENTIMENT too because i think There's Holes in.

1568
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: MICHAEL pennock's game i think there's more holes in his

1569
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: name escapes me at the moment he Plays For. THE

1570
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: chicago bears i. Can't Remember, that caleb. WILLIAMS thank you

1571
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: i think there are a lot of holes. In, his

1572
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: GAME YEAH but i i, like those players YOU know?

1573
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: What I mean AND i think I like CAM warden

1574
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 1: and i do think like given his the adversity that

1575
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: he's faced, in his career how long he's, been in

1576
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: college gives me a lot of Confidence, seeing Bo Nick

1577
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: seeing jayden daniels last year and how successful they were

1578
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: and how experienced they are navigate some. OF that stuff

1579
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: i go Back to, what, jeremy said though you got

1580
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: to take a single sometimes.

1581
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 2: And it's boring he's not.

1582
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: Great at it and that's something where you Look, at

1583
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: bon nix he's great.

1584
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: At taking Singles Look, at jayden daniels great. At.

1585
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: Taking singles right the issue, with you know some of

1586
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: the other quarterbacks we just talked about is they couldn't.

1587
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: Take SINGLES well and i think it's going to affect

1588
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: them negatively for a long time until they. FIGURE it

1589
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: out i think they can. Figure IT out but i

1590
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: think that's something With ward that i'm a little.

1591
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 3: Bit worried about list you have to be able.

1592
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 4: To Do That see caleb williams is the exact opposite,

1593
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 4: Side Of that caleb williams. Only takes singles He's Like

1594
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 4: the trot. Nixon of quarterbacks you never hit. Into the

1595
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 4: gap it's just little dribblers. Past THE shortstop why i,

1596
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 4: DIDN'T like him i still, don't LIKE him as i

1597
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 4: did take great Joy And Going nana nanda Boo boo

1598
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 4: at chicago. Fans all year they called.

1599
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 5: Me a moron my, last question then, for quarterbacks specifically

1600
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 5: does coaching and your situation matter the? Most with them

1601
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 5: because you look at Like, jayde and daniels it's not

1602
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 5: taking anything. Away from him really, good coaching staff. Really

1603
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 5: good situation same Thing, With BO nix like i kind

1604
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 5: OF feel like jj McCarthy may have a good year

1605
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 5: just because of the situation. That he's in does that

1606
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 5: how much does that play into success IMMEDIATELY in the

1607
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 5: nfl versus? The prospect evaluation how much time you think

1608
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 5: THEY may TAKE. J.

1609
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 4: Spot j j McCarty is gonna have a great ye

1610
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 4: because hes gonna hold A Clipboard. For aaron rodgers it's

1611
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 4: hard not to have. A good year did? You, drop

1612
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 4: it no that's. A great year. Coaching, definitely matters look

1613
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 4: it's this is a little bit of, of A rant

1614
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 4: so i'll try to consume it down. TO thirty seconds

1615
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 4: i get Railed On for lamar jackson A lot because

1616
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 4: i did not see HIM as. An nfl quarterback now

1617
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 4: he's won a couple of MVPs where people really the

1618
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 4: thing that you forget Is That, the baltimore ravens which

1619
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 4: are one of the best drafting teams, in this league

1620
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 4: they committed every Available Resource to lamar jackson from the

1621
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 4: minute he walked into that building, until right now and.

1622
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 4: It's never stopped they have been fully. Committed to him

1623
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 4: where teams fall short with quarterbacks is that you don't

1624
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 4: FULLY invest the jj McCarthy's of the world need. Every single.

1625
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,799
Speaker 4: Snap all right This Flirtation with aaron, rodgers is dumb

1626
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 4: but it's not going to lead you where you, want

1627
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 4: it to and it's taking precious snaps.

1628
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 3: Away from McCarthy if you.

1629
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 4: Fully lock In If the tennessee titans fully lock In

1630
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 4: on cam ward is their guy and every decision they

1631
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 4: make for the next three years is making. HIM their

1632
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 4: guy I think cam ward can be a top ten

1633
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 4: to twelve quarterback.

1634
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: IN the league i think.

1635
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 4: Should do her if you do, THE same thing i

1636
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 4: think can be a, top Twenty guy And I'll say

1637
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 4: jackson dork can be a. TOP fifteen guy.

1638
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: I think that's a really nice way. OF putting it

1639
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: i think if the team puts a, LOT of resources

1640
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: i think the other important thing just to note is

1641
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: you got to have the right.

1642
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: Kind of guy See know.

1643
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: What I'M saying so i think if You look at

1644
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: indianapolis and what they've Done With, an anthony richardson they've given, him,

1645
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: A lot right they've, Supported him well they've brought an

1646
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator who can speak to. His skill set he

1647
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: has not supported them with. His work ethic the thing

1648
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: that gives me Confidence that cam ward given the, right

1649
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: coaching situation he's going to work at it right because

1650
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: he had to work at it Same Thing. With jane

1651
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: daniel so if you support the quarterback and they've got

1652
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: the right work ethic and they've, GOT the talent i

1653
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: think that's where you get that kind. Of magic elixir,

1654
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: BUT you know i think that's going to do it. For,

1655
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: the show right, we're all done and.

1656
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 5: Just so, our fans know we're recording this. A little

1657
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 5: early by the time, it Comes Out maybe aaron rodgers

1658
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 5: has signed So for but the POINT is that i really.

1659
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 5: LOVE this discussion i really love when You come ON

1660
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 5: Jeremy The. Espn Draft, nerd jeremy green tell us where

1661
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 5: we can. Find Your Stuff the sports oocracy. Is my

1662
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 5: show it's, just like democracy. But with sports you can

1663
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 5: find that on all.

1664
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 4: The social MEDIA'S I'm At espn Draft nerd on twitter

1665
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 4: and my latest four round mock Draft for the commanders.

1666
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 3: IS dropping Tonight i think i'm. Dropping it, tonight if

1667
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 3: not what's?

1668
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: The date though like the date? Is the Date today,

1669
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,679
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1670
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: is going to come out a, little bit later. Probably.

1671
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1672
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: now And You're a, washington commanders fan make sure you

1673
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,479
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1674
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: washington commanders jeremy thanks so much. FOR joining us i

1675
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: learned so MUCH every time i. Talk to you, you're

1676
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: a blast, love your comparisons. Love your analysis we'll have

1677
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: to have you out again one more time before the.

1678
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 2: Draft comes around the number is.

1679
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 4: Always the same i'm a pretty easy you GOTTA fun

1680
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 4: and i enjoy it with you.

1681
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Speaker 3: Guys as well thank, You. So much jamie that is

1682
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Speaker 3: it absolutely m m hmmm mm hmm