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Speaker 2: there is a lot to talk about. Twenty eight to
Speaker 2: twenty three the final score. Philadelphia takes down Dallas in
Speaker 2: Week nine of the NFL season. Isaiah Standback is here,
Speaker 2: Nick Harris is here, I'm here, Kyle Yeomens. We've got
Speaker 2: Chris Beam in the back run and everything. And really,
Speaker 2: I don't know outside of a playoff game, because playoff games,
Speaker 2: every play matters. It always does NFL season, for the
Speaker 2: most part, every play matters. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: remember a game outside of playoff time where when we
Speaker 2: go back and look at this football game, there is
Speaker 2: legitimately every play was the deciding factor or could have
Speaker 2: been the deciding factor. It was one of those games
Speaker 2: where the breaks go your way, the game goes your way,
Speaker 2: the breaks don't go your way, the game doesn't twenty
Speaker 2: eight to twenty three. And there's a lot to hit
Speaker 2: on this, So I'll let Nick start things off. You
Speaker 2: were in the building at Lincoln Financial Field. I don't
Speaker 2: even know where to start.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, just your overall thoughts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is about as as true of a game
Speaker 6: of inches as you could find, and and pretty much
Speaker 6: any game. It had a playoff atmosphere from the very beginning.
Speaker 6: I kind of wrote about it and last night on
Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys dot com. Uh, it's it's rare that you
Speaker 6: get a a playoff type feel in early November like this.
Speaker 6: Whenever the both teams took the field, the energy it
Speaker 6: was it was palpable in the stadium, carried throughout the
Speaker 6: entire game, and it wasn't over until the all the
Speaker 6: clock at all zeros. I I look at good things
Speaker 6: and I look at bad things out of this game,
Speaker 6: and I think, honestly, I feel like the good overways
Speaker 6: the bad at times, but the bad is so.
Speaker 7: It's so Plaguey that it just doesn't it doesn't go away.
Speaker 6: Like there's some things that we've seen from this team
Speaker 6: that are bad this season that just continue to pop up.
Speaker 6: And just when you think that it's okay, penalties, we've
Speaker 6: they figured it out against the Rams Bam, it's right back,
Speaker 6: you know, even if some were just some were unjust whatever,
Speaker 6: still being in a position to be in those situations.
Speaker 6: We could start with the good Dak Prescott I man,
Speaker 6: I think the confidence level it would have to be,
Speaker 6: it would have to be increased after the last couple
Speaker 6: of weeks coming out of the bye week. I think
Speaker 6: there was something that probably happened during the bye week
Speaker 6: that that allowed them to utilize Dak to his his
Speaker 6: max efficiency. For me, it's his mobility once again. I
Speaker 6: mean he was he was working magic in the pocket
Speaker 6: last night. His pocket presence was incredible. Even if he
Speaker 6: was even if it did crash in on a couple
Speaker 6: of times, he was still able to get outside and
Speaker 6: avoid most of the pressures that Hassan Redick was in
Speaker 6: the backfield quite a bit last night, as well as
Speaker 6: Fletcher Cox. We could stay with the good, I you know,
Speaker 6: limiting aj Brown to sixty six yards or whatever it was.
Speaker 6: I think if you had told me that would be
Speaker 6: the case coming in, I'd be like, okay, so the
Speaker 6: Cowboys won. Unfortunately that didn't happen. Looking at the bad
Speaker 6: I talked about the penalties. Gosh, there's two players I
Speaker 6: look at and I'm like, man, if even one of
Speaker 6: them has a better night, I think this ends up
Speaker 6: being a different result.
Speaker 7: It's Jordan Lewis and Terrence Steele. Terrence Steel probably more so.
Speaker 6: It was on that final drive that's when it really
Speaker 6: became a plague Terrence Steele, and unfortunately they weren't able
Speaker 6: to climb out of that late hole, and they had
Speaker 6: two really good opportunities to do. So you look at
Speaker 6: the Schoonmaker play and how just so very close it
Speaker 6: would have been to six added points there.
Speaker 7: It's a game of inches. And you know, I know,
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 6: The officials are a big part of the dialogue this
Speaker 6: morning on just kind of how things went in that game.
Speaker 6: But the officials went against both teams. I mean, you
Speaker 6: look at that final drive with with Philadelphia. There were
Speaker 6: a couple of calls there that were like, all right,
Speaker 6: you know it even doubt I think at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, Philadelphia was just a better team last night. However,
Speaker 6: there was a lot of confidence in the locker room
Speaker 6: after the game, like, yeah, they lost, like ceedee lamb.
Speaker 6: He was kind of teared up whenever we first walked in,
Speaker 6: and he kind of got himself together and he was fine.
Speaker 6: But everyone everyone kind of had the same view of
Speaker 6: the game, is like, hey, like we can contend with
Speaker 6: this team, Like this is not what happened in San Francisco.
Speaker 6: We were three four yards away from making this happen.
Speaker 6: They still claim to be in the upper echelon. I
Speaker 6: think they're very clear in the second now after last night.
Speaker 6: I mean, you have to beat a team like that
Speaker 6: on the road before I can put you in.
Speaker 7: The upper echelon.
Speaker 6: But there's a really good opportunity to go three and
Speaker 6: oh over the course of the next three weeks home
Speaker 6: against the Giants at Carolina and then home against the Commanders.
Speaker 6: If you're looking at eight and three welcoming Philly back
Speaker 6: into Dallas, then who knows, maybe maybe both teams are
Speaker 6: looking at the same record with what with what the
Speaker 6: Eagles have coming up, they have the Chiefs, the Bills,
Speaker 6: the Dolphins, so we'll see. I don't think this is
Speaker 6: the end of the world. This is this is not
Speaker 6: I do not feel like how I felt like coming
Speaker 6: after San Francisco. I think this is a much different feel.
Speaker 6: And that's a team that they can beat, and I
Speaker 6: think that's a team they'll see three times this year.
Speaker 4: I'm proud of them. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't I understand the fandom side of it, where
Speaker 3: people are like, oh man, we're really.
Speaker 4: Close and we hate the Eagles and we want to win.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: The reality is you've closed the gap that was massive
Speaker 3: After the first couple of games in the season, when
Speaker 3: you got beat up by San Francisco, you were far behind.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're way behind San Francisco. Obviously, you're way
Speaker 3: behind Philadelphia. Since that game, you have closed the gap
Speaker 3: in terms of the distance between you and those that
Speaker 3: are considered to be better than you. And that's the positive. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you lost the game, but guess what. I look at
Speaker 3: it like this, if you're racing against Usain Bolt. Okay,
Speaker 3: a lot of people race against Ussin Boat. A lot
Speaker 3: of people lost to Usain Boat. But guess what, every
Speaker 3: time if I get a little bit closer to Usain boat.
Speaker 3: I could walk away with my chest poked. I said, oh, hey,
Speaker 3: you got me, But I'm coming, right, I'm getting closer
Speaker 3: to you. Right, I'm gonna get you one of these days, right,
Speaker 3: And that's the that's the I ran ten oh two. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, like, Hey, you know you
Speaker 3: ran a nine seven nine. The first time you beat me,
Speaker 3: I ran a ten to three. But this time I ran,
Speaker 3: I ran a nine to nine. I'm getting there, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, I'm coming, I'm getting close.
Speaker 3: And that's where the cowboys are at. You have to
Speaker 3: take the positives right. When you talk about trying to
Speaker 3: achieve a goal, you have to have tangible goals along
Speaker 3: the way. It's not just you just all all of
Speaker 3: a sudden leap fraud from one side of the street
Speaker 3: to the other and tadao, we've arrived.
Speaker 4: There's baby steps that come with it. This was a
Speaker 4: baby step you took.
Speaker 3: You took a team that on paper, you shouldn't be
Speaker 3: able to play with based upon some of the things
Speaker 3: that you've done in the past. The opponents that you've
Speaker 3: lost to. You lost to Arizona that had a similar scheme.
Speaker 3: You lost to San Francisco really bad, right, that's they
Speaker 3: were considered to be you.
Speaker 4: Know, A and B. You know, a A one and
Speaker 4: A two.
Speaker 3: You know, however, you want to look at it, San
Speaker 3: Francisco and the egos and now all of a sudden
Speaker 3: you've closed that gap. You don't get to play the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers again, right unless you see them in
Speaker 3: the playoffs. But guess what, Philly is a team that
Speaker 3: you look you can look at and say, you know what,
Speaker 3: we put them on the same level as Sam fran
Speaker 3: And if we're this close to almost beating Philly, that
Speaker 3: we know how far we've come since losing that game.
Speaker 3: And you have to be able to take that as
Speaker 3: a positive. And I think you look at what you did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's things that have to get cleaned up. Always is
Speaker 3: every single game. There's always something that has to be
Speaker 3: cleaned up every single game. For those that are talking
Speaker 3: about flags, there's a there's a flag that could be
Speaker 3: thrown on every play. Yes, okay, it was what ten
Speaker 3: penalties each team? I believe it was right that both
Speaker 3: teams had equal penalties, so that wasn't an issue. Okay,
Speaker 3: you talked about the last drive, like is Dallas was
Speaker 3: given opportunities to get down the field and be in
Speaker 3: the game. Decisions were made. Everybody's gonna look at coach
Speaker 3: McCarthy and sayd oh, you should have And I was
Speaker 3: one of those people.
Speaker 4: I would have taken the points in the one situation.
Speaker 3: But guess what, either way, there's pros and cons to
Speaker 3: each right, there's always That's what's the thing about decisions.
Speaker 3: There's pros and there's cons, and you hope that the
Speaker 3: pros outweighed the cons. Unfortunately they didn't in this game.
Speaker 3: But Dak Prescott played well. Your defense played their butts
Speaker 3: off right. The offensive line has some struggles. You're running
Speaker 3: game didn't really get going, but you didn't expect it
Speaker 3: to because of this defensive front. There was a lot
Speaker 3: of things that what you expected happened and what you
Speaker 3: hope for happened. But sometimes the team is just a
Speaker 3: little bit better. And that's exactly what you ran into
Speaker 3: last night. But you have closed the gap, and you
Speaker 3: wonder why guys are walking around a lot more confident
Speaker 3: in the locker room after losing.
Speaker 4: Because they know we've closed the gap. It wasn't a
Speaker 4: question and can we play with these guys? It was like,
Speaker 4: how close are we?
Speaker 3: Right? The last memory we have a playing an opponent
Speaker 3: of this caliber was not a good memory, right, So
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, now we play it. All Right,
Speaker 3: We've come a long way in a short period of time.
Speaker 3: I'll take that as a victory all day long, even
Speaker 3: though on the record it says al yeah.
Speaker 6: And the response was the exact same as well, because
Speaker 6: they started the game with a three and out defensively
Speaker 6: and gave up a touchdown offensive or you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, and they were able to respond off of
Speaker 6: that tie the game and stayed in the.
Speaker 2: Three out the game. So I'm looking at kind of
Speaker 2: what I said earlier about the plays, right, There were
Speaker 2: plays in this game that you can all go back
Speaker 2: and circle, and I've circled four of them when I
Speaker 2: went back and watched the film because of points that
Speaker 2: were left off the board, points that could have been
Speaker 2: in your favor, or points that Philly tried to give
Speaker 2: you but ultimately res I guess reversed. I should say,
Speaker 2: at some point down the line, I'll start with the
Speaker 2: two plays that Philly nearly gave Dallas but didn't. They
Speaker 2: were both swift fumbles. One was in the setdecond quarter,
Speaker 2: It would have given the ball to Dallas at the
Speaker 2: forty seven yard line instead Philadelphia just basically he grabbed
Speaker 2: it for a split second and then lost it again.
Speaker 2: I didn't know you could lose two fumbles on one
Speaker 2: play like that. Swift did so apparently, but he gathered
Speaker 2: it while he was on the ground. They called him down.
Speaker 2: That was one play. Seven points. That's seven points, And
Speaker 2: I understand from that point forward it's a butterfly effect.
Speaker 2: One play happens a certain way. The rest of the
Speaker 2: plays may not happen a certain way. But after that,
Speaker 2: Swift fumbles in the fourth quarter on that final offensive
Speaker 2: drive for Philadelphia almost I mean the butt fumble, the
Speaker 2: butt fumble, yeah, nearly the resurrection.
Speaker 4: Of the butt fumble.
Speaker 7: It was the brown butt fumble.
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons had both hands on it. If he reels
Speaker 2: that in instead of just bobbling it for a split second,
Speaker 2: that's Cowboys football. At the thirty yard line and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're not going ninety yards to
Speaker 2: score with forty five seconds left. Yeah, you're going thirty
Speaker 2: yards to score with one oh seven left and a
Speaker 2: timeout time out. Completely different ball game three to seven
Speaker 2: points there. Probably seven is what you're going for, but
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say state facts there. You had points
Speaker 2: on the board there. If you recover that fumble Peyton
Speaker 2: hinders shot, non touchdown, that's six or seven points left
Speaker 2: off the board. He runs one more foot into Schoonmaker,
Speaker 2: that's a hindershot Luke Schoonmaker runs one more foot into
Speaker 2: the end zone and that's a touchdown.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: One foot. He takes one half of a step into
Speaker 2: the end zone a little bit further on that route,
Speaker 2: that's a touchdown. And then of course Dak Prescott stepping
Speaker 2: out on the two point conversion. That plain and simple.
Speaker 2: That's two points on the board, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's a completely different ball game. Any of those plays
Speaker 2: go in the opposite direction of what they did, four
Speaker 2: separate plays. I think Dallas wins this game, but that's
Speaker 2: part of it, and it happens on both sides. There
Speaker 2: were penalty flags thrown late against Philadelphia. There were times
Speaker 2: when Philadelphia had Jalen Hurts under pressure. There were times
Speaker 2: when the defense had lapses. They gave up one hundred
Speaker 2: and ninety one yards to see Lamb and.
Speaker 4: Some of you have penalties, and you extended their drives.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, There's a whole lot of that.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of it.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of it, man, And that's why you
Speaker 3: can't just put your finger on one thing and say, oh,
Speaker 3: this was the deciding factor. There was a lot of
Speaker 3: deciding factors, right, There were deciding factors in the first quarter.
Speaker 3: If you really want to come down to it. In
Speaker 3: that regard, it's a close game against two really good
Speaker 3: competitive teams. This is what you expected, right whe whether
Speaker 3: it's whether it was for your team or your other team,
Speaker 3: you know, this was the type of game that you expected.
Speaker 4: And this is the reason why why they chose not
Speaker 4: to give.
Speaker 3: Up this game on Sunday, to flex it till a
Speaker 3: Sunday night game, because they knew it was going to
Speaker 3: be about Royale.
Speaker 4: And and it's awesome. It's freaking awesome, you know. And
Speaker 4: you look at it from the standpoint you went in there,
Speaker 4: you made these boys have all kinds of question marks.
Speaker 3: Now Philly is like, oh crap, all right, they okay,
Speaker 3: what we saw against sand friend, that is not that's
Speaker 3: not what we expected. Okay, all right, these boys came
Speaker 3: to play and then you left Philly beat up. You
Speaker 3: beat up Philly, You left some of their main players
Speaker 3: batter than bruised. And now you never asked, never in
Speaker 3: your intention to go out there and hurt guys. But
Speaker 3: the reality is a very violent, physical game, and you're
Speaker 3: going out there trying to impose your will, and you
Speaker 3: left them lesser than what they came in.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a huge positive for this team
Speaker 2: is in games against good teams, at least over the
Speaker 2: last two years, you've been the lesser physical team. You
Speaker 2: were just as physical as Philadelphia all the way through,
Speaker 2: beginning to end. You had the chance all the way through.
Speaker 2: The Dallas Cowboys were just as physically imposing as Philadelphia.
Speaker 4: Philadelphia took their.
Speaker 2: Lumps on offense, they took their lumps on defense, and
Speaker 2: their front seven. Man, they get after the football, don't they.
Speaker 2: They gave trouble to the entire offensive line. I know
Speaker 2: we talked about Terrence Steele, we talked about Tyler Biada.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just those two guys that struggled up front.
Speaker 2: The offensive line struggled against one of, if not the
Speaker 2: best front seven in football.
Speaker 6: Well, I would say Tyron Smith and Tyler Smith had
Speaker 6: arguably one of their best games. There were times when
Speaker 6: they still got beat two Yeah, I mean oall beat
Speaker 6: overall when you look at what they did over the
Speaker 6: course of the game against that defensive front, like the
Speaker 6: left side held up, like the left side was fine.
Speaker 6: If those two guys at all five play like those
Speaker 6: two guys, they have a clean pocket for most of
Speaker 6: the night.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to throw that in there.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not downgrading Tyron Smith and Tyler Smith, but
Speaker 2: for everybody that wants to point fingers at just one
Speaker 2: person or two person, two people up front, that's not
Speaker 2: the case. There were times when Tyron Smith was in
Speaker 2: the lap of Dak Prescott. There were times when Tyler
Speaker 2: Smith was missing a block when he was trying to
Speaker 2: get up to the second level. There were times like that.
Speaker 2: But from a grand scheme of things, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: part of the reality of playing offensive line. You have
Speaker 2: ninety snaps in a game, and I know they don't
Speaker 2: play ninety snaps, but just for the sake of an argument,
Speaker 2: six fine sixty five snaps. If you have three bad
Speaker 2: snaps from an offensive lineman, you're not having a great day.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just how it is. It's part of
Speaker 2: the position. I could say the same thing about Dak
Speaker 2: Prescott too. He wasn't perfect, don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 2: he played his butt off. He absolutely played. Well, you're
Speaker 2: not in that game late. If Dak Prescott doesn't play
Speaker 2: as well as he does.
Speaker 4: You relied on Dak. You he threw the ball forty
Speaker 4: four times, forty four passes.
Speaker 7: Was it you that said last week he needs to
Speaker 7: throw at least like thirty five in this game.
Speaker 4: I think you listen here, you don't want him thrown
Speaker 4: over forty I can tell you that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but the reality is you weren't going to
Speaker 3: run a ball effectively against this front as you You're
Speaker 3: just not. These guys are just too good up front.
Speaker 3: They held you to three and a half yards per
Speaker 3: carry on twenty one rushes. That's what you can expect
Speaker 3: out of that, right, So you have to throw your
Speaker 3: way to a victory against this Against this team, their
Speaker 3: secondary is are weak spot in their team, and that's
Speaker 3: what you try to expose. And Dak went twenty nine
Speaker 3: to forty four, sixty five. You know, roll it up
Speaker 3: to sixty six percent completion, no turnovers. All right, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say that again. No turnovers, yep, against a really
Speaker 3: good defense, and.
Speaker 6: There wasn't There wasn't even an our like, oh that
Speaker 6: could have been bad. It was like the one sack
Speaker 6: late where he was like kind of throwing.
Speaker 4: Over the last few weeks, he's he has he's controlled himself.
Speaker 3: There have been throws that he almost made that he
Speaker 3: decided to take sacks on instead of throwing the ball
Speaker 3: up in the air, and super proud of him for
Speaker 3: making that progress, right because old Dak, or early in
Speaker 3: the season, Dak would have just chucked it, just trying
Speaker 3: to make play, trying to make a play. But guess what,
Speaker 3: he tucked it right. He he held back. That was
Speaker 3: his instinctively, he wanted to release the ball, but he
Speaker 3: pulled back. He's like, no, I'm just gonna take this
Speaker 3: sack and live to play another down. He gave this
Speaker 3: team every opportunity possible to win the ball game, and
Speaker 3: he's gonna look back and yes, people are gonna.
Speaker 2: Say, oh, well he overthrew.
Speaker 3: He overthrew c or Michael Gallup on the one pat Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: Every quarterback usually has a ball that they wish they
Speaker 3: could have back in every game. AB's a freaking looting Okay.
Speaker 2: Just to add to your point, who's the number one
Speaker 2: film buff and somebody that was uber critical of their
Speaker 2: own mistakes throughout their career at quarterback? Tom Brady, I
Speaker 2: mean you've told me that before. I'm kind of surprised
Speaker 2: you didn't know. I mean, but Tom Brady could, I
Speaker 2: mean across the board is known as the most lethal
Speaker 2: quarterback in NFL history, and he still had mistakes. It's
Speaker 2: just how it goes, part of the game.
Speaker 3: But you learn from it, you know. And so yes,
Speaker 3: there's a gazillion negatives. Yes there's a lot of good positives.
Speaker 3: But the reality is you guys, you gained ground. You
Speaker 3: gained ground.
Speaker 4: So Cowboys Nation out there, I know you're frustrated. I
Speaker 4: know you're hurting.
Speaker 3: I know you got to listen to all all the
Speaker 3: little Eagles fans. You probably got to pay up on
Speaker 3: your bets, all that jazz you take it, give your money,
Speaker 3: do your push ups, you know, buy the lunches, and
Speaker 3: just say, Okay, I'll see I'll see you.
Speaker 4: I'll see you in a little bit, I'll see you.
Speaker 4: I'll see you next month.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll reconvene on this all right, because you
Speaker 3: just took a huge leap and now they're Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: back two and a half games. That's the that's the
Speaker 3: second part, big part. That's the part that sucks. You're
Speaker 3: back two and a half games. Now that gap can
Speaker 3: close because you're tough. Part of your schedule is at
Speaker 3: the end of the year. Okay, you your last five
Speaker 3: six games, that's gonna be a brutal you get your
Speaker 3: mind right for that. Okay, but they're tough part of
Speaker 3: the their season. They're facing some of those same teams,
Speaker 3: and that is right now, right, so right now, so
Speaker 3: you have a chance to right your wrongs, get your
Speaker 3: mojo right over these next few weeks, build yourself up.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they should all be walking the park
Speaker 3: type games, but these are games that you should be
Speaker 3: able to build your momentum going into the last part
Speaker 3: of the season. They have to deal with the fact
Speaker 3: that they're number one, they're beat up, their quarterbacks limping
Speaker 3: and gimping.
Speaker 4: Okay, they lost their tight end.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be most likely going ir right, So they're
Speaker 3: gonna have to figure some things out within themselves in
Speaker 3: the most difficult portion of their season. So they're gonna
Speaker 3: most likely to get knocked on their butts for a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks and then try to figure out how
Speaker 3: to get get it picked back up towards the end
Speaker 3: of the year. So you're in a good spot. It
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like it, but you're in a really good spot.
Speaker 3: And that's why the guys are walking around shaking their
Speaker 3: head like we're good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and I whenever you gosh, I had a
Speaker 6: point I wanted to throw out there. You also have
Speaker 6: Nacobe Dean that went down in that game. Fletcher Cox
Speaker 6: was battling injury. They'll be able to go into the
Speaker 6: bye week and kind of rest up some guys and
Speaker 6: then come out against the Chiefs. They got to go
Speaker 6: to Arrowheads, so that'll definitely be interesting. But I know
Speaker 6: I've mentioned it, but you have a really good opportunity. Giants, Panthers, Commanders,
Speaker 6: you go three and oh there. Then you're welcoming in
Speaker 6: the Seahawks on Thursday night. That's a must win because
Speaker 6: you're looking at NFC contenders. You play all of them
Speaker 6: over the course of the stretch, beating them and beating
Speaker 6: the Lions. That puts you firmly at the top of
Speaker 6: that second echelon, and then whenever you welcome Philly back in,
Speaker 6: if you're able to knock them off, then we start
Speaker 6: talking about NFC East again. You know, I think it's
Speaker 6: very plausible to look at two losses for the Eagles
Speaker 6: down this stretch that they have before they play the Cowboys,
Speaker 6: just with the amount of contenders that they have to
Speaker 6: go play. So I really think we could be looking
Speaker 6: up in December and there's a lot of similar stakes
Speaker 6: as to what was happening in Philly last night, and
Speaker 6: I would be shocked if we don't see this game
Speaker 6: again in January.
Speaker 2: The January. Yes, you're talking playoffs, yep, the one thing.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at both schedules here too. But by the
Speaker 2: if you take care of business, you win the three
Speaker 2: games and then you beat Seattle, so four to zero
Speaker 2: over the next four games, I mean, you get a
Speaker 2: four game win streak together, which is very likely. It's
Speaker 2: not not a foe gone conclusion. It's the NFL. We've
Speaker 2: already seen the circle of parody this year. Any given week,
Speaker 2: any given Sunday, you can go down. If Dallas takes
Speaker 2: care of business the way that they should, they should
Speaker 2: win the next four games Philadelphia, with it being the
Speaker 2: circle of parody and going up against as many good
Speaker 2: teams as they do in a row. Bang bang bang bang.
Speaker 2: They could lose two games and they could beat that
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Speaker 7: It's part of it, Tommy Defto effect.
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Speaker 2: takes down Dallas. Isaiah, It's funny you mentioned that Cowboys
Speaker 2: fans have to deal with it for a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just for a little bit. And that's part of the game,
Speaker 2: part of being a fan, of being all in on
Speaker 2: your team. I'm with you because guess what. On the
Speaker 2: way in this morning, I'm stopped at a stoplight. I'm
Speaker 2: driving in from my house. I'm gonna stoplight, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: kind of I think, I'm like rustling around. I'm looking
Speaker 2: for my sunglasses because I'm about to drive right into
Speaker 2: the sun. And when I'm looking for him, you hear
Speaker 2: just beeping constant bam, bam bam. And it was beside me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what is this guy want? I
Speaker 2: was like, I was looking at him and he's hanging
Speaker 2: It's a truck driver. He's hanging out of the window
Speaker 2: of his car or of his cab, and he's I've
Speaker 2: got he's got his arm and he's like waving to
Speaker 2: my window, and I'm like, oh gosh, what is going on.
Speaker 2: I was like if something happened behind me or my
Speaker 2: tail light's out, Like what's going on? I rolled down
Speaker 2: my window and he goes, good game last night, Go Birds,
Speaker 2: and then he honks the horn and drives off.
Speaker 4: That was this morning on the way into talking Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Honestly, credit to him, because I don't know how he
Speaker 2: saw the shirt because I was he was on my
Speaker 2: passenger side.
Speaker 4: He had the laser vision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any cow I don't have any
Speaker 2: Cowboys branding on the back of my truck at all.
Speaker 4: He's got he got the.
Speaker 2: Egalized Yeah, good game last night, Go Birds, all the cowboys.
Speaker 4: Let him have it.
Speaker 3: Let them have it, because the reality is this game
Speaker 3: knocks you two and a half games back, okay, and
Speaker 3: that sucks. But the game that you're gonna play next
Speaker 3: time you faced him, most likely is gonna be the
Speaker 3: deciding factor for who walks away with the division title.
Speaker 4: Just say, let him have this one.
Speaker 3: Let them have it like let them blow, like like
Speaker 3: help them, help them, like elevate themselves, like make him
Speaker 3: feel good about them.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, you guys did a he I don't know
Speaker 4: if I want to do that. Do the Belichick pull
Speaker 4: the Belichick good job. Yeah, yeah, you know they're so good.
Speaker 2: If he wasn't, a semi would have cut him off
Speaker 2: later and traffic definite would have got ran over. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get here on time.
Speaker 4: You gotta take it.
Speaker 3: You gotta take it like they want you. They want
Speaker 3: you to make excuses. They want you to make excuses.
Speaker 3: They want want you to blame the referees. They want
Speaker 3: you to talk about coach McCarthy. They want you talk
Speaker 3: about like you guys got us, We'll see you again.
Speaker 6: I will say I absolutely loved the environment in Philadelphia,
Speaker 6: just all weekend, like from the moment that we had
Speaker 6: gotten to the hotel to when we left the hotel,
Speaker 6: in between uh driving into the stadium.
Speaker 7: Just hate and birds and not the not the birds
Speaker 7: we're talking about even a couple of moons. I mean
Speaker 7: it was it was cheeks, cheeks thrown out there.
Speaker 6: I saw a pair of cheeks, two pairs, But yeah,
Speaker 6: I was just like I was just listening to my
Speaker 6: music with my headphones on, and I was honestly just
Speaker 6: like relishing the moment right there was just.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I absolutely love host one. Like, but like I'm
Speaker 7: looking at you, I just see birds birds. I'm like, ah,
Speaker 7: this is great, this is awesome. I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: but okay, cool, cool, cool, keep going another button. I'm like,
Speaker 7: all right, man. But the the environment was so cool.
Speaker 6: And the way the press box is set up in
Speaker 6: Philadelphia too, it's like basically right on in the in
Speaker 6: the stands, like there's a divider, like there's glass, but
Speaker 6: like the fans are right there. And every time the
Speaker 6: Eagles would do something good, they'd turn around and look
Speaker 6: at all those Dallas beat people and just same, same
Speaker 6: more deal, just birds and drunkenness.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I gotta love it. Yeah, Dallas needs
Speaker 2: to have the same energy ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can come back to the They gotta come
Speaker 4: to Union to have.
Speaker 2: The same energy all the way through. All Right, we've
Speaker 2: got some questions on the text line. We won't hit
Speaker 2: all of these because a lot of them are just
Speaker 2: yelling and I get it, I understand it.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 2: This one's from Dan and Philly he said, why did
Speaker 2: Dak switch the ball from his right hand to his
Speaker 2: left hand to reach into the end zone on the
Speaker 2: two point play?
Speaker 4: Is at the end of it?
Speaker 2: I feel like that's yeah, that's it. Uh well he
Speaker 2: called it stupid.
Speaker 4: No, no, not stupid. He's reaching for the end zone,
Speaker 4: not stupid.
Speaker 2: In so, I'm not sure I do want to go
Speaker 2: through that play though, because Dak stepping out, it certainly
Speaker 2: had an effect on the game.
Speaker 3: But that's not a well, first of all, the first ball,
Speaker 3: there is some linemen up front that got beat, so
Speaker 3: he was forced out of the pocket first of all. Okay,
Speaker 3: that wasn't necessarily what it was designed. So he was
Speaker 3: forced out of the pocket. So here goes your quarterback
Speaker 3: now getting out of his home. Okay, so he had
Speaker 3: to go out the house, all right. Now he's out
Speaker 3: there outside and he's trying.
Speaker 4: To find his way to the end zone.
Speaker 3: Okay, he's extending to play, trying to see if there's
Speaker 3: somebody could pass to. And ultimately came down to the
Speaker 3: fact that it's like, crap, I'm gona have touch this
Speaker 3: thing and run, all right, when you were running at
Speaker 3: such a speed with such with so much weight, heading
Speaker 3: towards a sideline in order to try to change directions,
Speaker 3: you have to put your foot in the ground at
Speaker 3: some point in time, all right, And then if you're
Speaker 3: if you're going out of bounds, you can't have it
Speaker 3: in your right hand and the pipelines on your left side.
Speaker 4: That's not a realistic thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of contortionists you believe Dak is,
Speaker 3: but there's no way that he could even have an
Speaker 3: opportunity to score unless he switched the ball to his
Speaker 3: left hand and as his body now is out of bounds,
Speaker 3: the ball is in his left hand and he could
Speaker 3: try to swipe it across the goal line in front
Speaker 3: of the pylon.
Speaker 4: That was the goal.
Speaker 2: That was his game plan.
Speaker 4: As that was happening.
Speaker 3: It just so happens that he didn't cut his pinky toenails, okay,
Speaker 3: and he just slipped out of bounds, and it just
Speaker 3: it is what it is.
Speaker 2: It's bad luck, man.
Speaker 4: I mean, if he could have prevented it, obviously, he
Speaker 4: would have prevented it. He didn't know. He didn't know
Speaker 4: until he turned back around and they're reviewing it. So,
Speaker 4: I mean, heck of a play by him.
Speaker 3: Heck of a play by him to escape trouble, get
Speaker 3: out on the edge, extend to play, give his receivers
Speaker 3: a chance to get open, realize that they're not getting open,
Speaker 3: and now I'm a tucking and I'm gonna get this yardage.
Speaker 6: And he talked about it in the post game press conference.
Speaker 6: He said if he had to do it over again,
Speaker 6: he would have gotten vertical a lot quicker. So I
Speaker 6: think the speed, I think it was Reddick that was
Speaker 6: closing in.
Speaker 7: I think it was Reddick. Let's just pretend it was Reddick.
Speaker 7: He said the speed of Reddick didn't surprise him. He
Speaker 7: just wished he had gotten vertical.
Speaker 2: He's talking about getting to the outside. I believe it
Speaker 2: was Graham, Graham.
Speaker 6: It was Graham, was Graham, It was Brandon Graham. He
Speaker 6: wish he had gotten vertical, just like cut in and gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Just got credit to Brandon Graham because he stayed
Speaker 2: with the play all the way through.
Speaker 3: If there was the amount of bounds, if there was
Speaker 3: a play that I was I would critique on Das running.
Speaker 4: That wouldn't be the one. It would be the one
Speaker 4: where he tried to jump from four years out and
Speaker 4: oh that size in my head, I'm like that, just
Speaker 4: run him over, run him over. You're you're, you're two
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five forty pounds, Just run him over.
Speaker 6: So he had talked about that play too, and that
Speaker 6: was his initial intention. He was like, I knew I
Speaker 6: could take him one on one. But at the very
Speaker 6: last moment I saw he saw in my periphery another
Speaker 6: guye and I was like, okay, let me try.
Speaker 7: To leap for it. And he was like, he was
Speaker 7: like wrong, decision is wrong.
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, I would understand if people were disputing
Speaker 3: that that particular run, but not the one where he
Speaker 3: stepped out of bounce.
Speaker 2: No, he was reaching for the goal line. Absolutely, his
Speaker 2: foot slid out bounce. I mean, that's just how it goes.
Speaker 2: Mike from Boston, this good question.
Speaker 7: I'm glad you brought this from up. This is what
Speaker 7: I wanted to touch on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike from Boston. Can we please stop with the
Speaker 2: Michael Gallup experiment. Let's give Jalen Tobert and Cavante Turpin
Speaker 2: job to split. Honestly, right now, Cavanti Turpin and Jalen
Speaker 2: Tolbert have been better than Michael Gallup. And there was
Speaker 2: there's a couple other text messages that are mentioning both
Speaker 2: Gallup and Brandon Cooks. One said they were on the
Speaker 2: milk carton this morning whenever they're eating the cheerios that
Speaker 2: we talked about on Friday. Neither one of those guys
Speaker 2: had been here. Neither one of those guys have shown up.
Speaker 2: So Nick, I'll let you start what's next for Michael
Speaker 2: Gallup and we can throw Brandon Cooks into that conversation.
Speaker 6: Is look at if something happens with Gallup over the
Speaker 6: offseason and he's he's no longer a cowboy.
Speaker 7: I'm I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying, if that
Speaker 7: this is going to be the game.
Speaker 6: I look at where things just kind of like officially
Speaker 6: kind of turned towards the wrong side for good for
Speaker 6: Michael Gallup because he had that very.
Speaker 7: Critical drop on third down. I believe that was in
Speaker 7: the second half or wasn't the I.
Speaker 2: Think it was in the first half, but I can
Speaker 2: give you the exact time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and.
Speaker 6: You look at what Jaln Tolbert did yesterday when they
Speaker 6: needed him. You look at what Kavant Turpin did on
Speaker 6: the third down and being able to haul that touchdown
Speaker 6: in on his hurt ribs and have the ball fall
Speaker 6: on top of it, and then Tolbert being able to
Speaker 6: do what he did on that next the last touchdown
Speaker 6: drive left in the second Yeah, so it was that five.
Speaker 7: Field goal drive. I guess, look jalaln to Tlbert.
Speaker 6: If you look at the snapcouts, he's been cutting into
Speaker 6: what Michael Gallup has been doing over the course of
Speaker 6: the last few weeks.
Speaker 7: And then after that drop happened last.
Speaker 6: Night, it was just like full, full blown, like all right, Tolbert,
Speaker 6: this is your opportunity and he ran with it. Did
Speaker 6: Gallup still get opportunities on the field, Yes, he drew
Speaker 6: that pass interference late in the game.
Speaker 2: That was huge.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, He's still your big body guy that you want
Speaker 6: to be able to throw up to.
Speaker 7: But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: We're looking at reports this morning of the Cowboys potentially
Speaker 6: bringing you Martavis Bryant for a workout.
Speaker 7: This would be tomorrow Tuesday.
Speaker 6: It's because there's a liability that receiver and they would
Speaker 6: like to be able to find a solution to it.
Speaker 6: And if I'm looking at liabilities in the receiving corps,
Speaker 6: I look at Michael Gallup first, and I look at
Speaker 6: Brandon cook second, And if we want to touch on
Speaker 6: Brandon Cooks really quick, what's going on?
Speaker 7: Like? Why why can't he not get involved in this?
Speaker 4: Folks?
Speaker 6: I just but he is clearing out, He's getting two
Speaker 6: and a half yards of separation, Like it's I don't,
Speaker 6: I don't, I don't. I'm curious, go back on the film.
Speaker 6: Is this a McCarthy problem? Is this a dak problem?
Speaker 9: Like? What is what is this?
Speaker 7: I don't know, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: I didn't really dive into it. I was mostly looking
Speaker 2: at play by play stuff early. I think that's a
Speaker 2: multi game dive to go back in and really decide
Speaker 2: what's happening here, Isaiah, based on your intuition, what would
Speaker 2: you say is going on with Cooks? Is that just
Speaker 2: a play calling standpoint?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the clear out guy. I mean that's what
Speaker 4: I called him.
Speaker 7: I mean, not to his.
Speaker 3: Not because of his inabilities, because he's very, very capable.
Speaker 3: He's still the best route runner on this roster. I
Speaker 3: don't care how great Ceedee Lamb's playing. He's still the
Speaker 3: best route runner on this roster. And he's not being
Speaker 3: given the opportunities because you're you're there's give and take.
Speaker 3: When your number one receiver wants the ball, you find
Speaker 3: a way to get him the ball. Other guys are
Speaker 3: going to suffer. And unfortunately, you brought Brandon Cookson here
Speaker 3: to be a complimentary player, to be your your number
Speaker 3: two receiver and a really good number two receiver. But
Speaker 3: you're focused on getting your number one receiver the ball
Speaker 3: so much that you're not focusing on distributing it to
Speaker 3: your other guys to.
Speaker 2: Ease the pain.
Speaker 3: On CD Lamb, ceedy lamp has sixteen targets, sixteen targets.
Speaker 3: Nobody's complaining about that because everybody want to see C. D.
Speaker 4: Lamb eating. He got one hundred ninety one yards he
Speaker 4: had production killing only he's killing it.
Speaker 2: But you know something we'll talk about later in the
Speaker 2: week is ce d Lamb has been unbelievable crazy. But
Speaker 2: what happened incredible.
Speaker 3: What happens when you force feed your number one your
Speaker 3: number two gets two targets two targets.
Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Your number two had seven receptions on ten targets.
Speaker 4: With number two receivers, that's your number two.
Speaker 3: Your number two target is definitely ferguson which he's doing
Speaker 3: a heck of a job. Shout out to Linda Wells
Speaker 3: and that tight end group. But yeah, I mean be
Speaker 3: cooks Is. He's been the clearout guy and unfortunately that's
Speaker 3: what he's been subjected to.
Speaker 4: And and kudos and the highest.
Speaker 3: Of regard and respect to him for keeping it shut
Speaker 3: because I said this a couple of weeks ago, right
Speaker 3: before his first touchdown.
Speaker 4: I said, if this dude doesn't today, he's probably gonna
Speaker 4: lose it.
Speaker 3: He's gonna lose it because he has been subjected from
Speaker 3: being a thousand yard consistent receiver to being a clearout.
Speaker 4: Guy for CD LAMB.
Speaker 3: And it's not fair to him. No, it's not fair
Speaker 3: to him. And if you were winning all these ball games,
Speaker 3: I could eat that. I could eat that, right, I
Speaker 3: could eat that. And I'm not happy with it, but
Speaker 3: I could eat it because guess what the ultimate goals do?
Speaker 4: What win ball games. But if we're losing ball.
Speaker 3: Games and I'm getting two targets one catch for seven yards,
Speaker 3: and I have a problem. I have a problem because
Speaker 3: I'm better than this. I'm much better in this. Not
Speaker 3: not only am I better than this, I'm open right,
Speaker 3: But we saw this last year with ty Ty was open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't can he get open all he got? He
Speaker 3: came in this season late like he was open too,
Speaker 3: and he wasn't getting the ball. So this is not
Speaker 3: something that's new.
Speaker 4: It's just unfortunate that Brandon Cooks has been subjected.
Speaker 3: To being a guy that is now an afterthought, and
Speaker 3: it is not because of his inabilities.
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I was looking for his separation average separation.
Speaker 2: Brandon Cook's four point three yards.
Speaker 4: He's killing people, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Just for comparison, this is in this game where he
Speaker 2: had one reception for seven yards, four point three yards
Speaker 2: average separation. Ceedee Lamb, who had one hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: one yards had three yards of separation. The only player
Speaker 2: on the entire Cowboys roster that had better separation than
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks is the man who has a head start,
Speaker 2: and that's Tony Pollard out of the backfield. He had
Speaker 2: six point two yards of separation because he's coming from
Speaker 2: the backfield, because he's a running back. That's compared to
Speaker 2: a wide receiver. That is a whole another conversation. There's
Speaker 2: a text message about it. We'll get to it when
Speaker 2: we come back Tony Pollard, Where does that weapon get involved?
Speaker 2: How do you utilize him more? We'll talk about it
Speaker 2: when we come back right after this with more talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 7: I completely forgot about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please don't forget about it.
Speaker 4: I did not, sir.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna show up here and would be like, where
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Speaker 2: I said I would get the address. I never got one.
Speaker 7: I know where it is.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure people know.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, here we go.
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Speaker 2: If you want the exact address, sixteen five nine nine
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Speaker 2: We're gonna be there nine am to nine forty five.
Speaker 2: I'll get there a little early. I think Isaiah said
Speaker 2: he'd get there a little bit early there and probably
Speaker 2: won't be able to stay late because we have shows
Speaker 2: to film right after that. Absolutely, we gotta we gotta
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Speaker 2: you want to see us, come say hi. Get there early.
Speaker 2: About eight thirty is when I'm going to get there
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Speaker 2: Come join us, Come hang out, bring your signs, bring
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Speaker 2: just get it while you're there. Yeah, that'll make it happen.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 7: We're gonna tell John.
Speaker 2: I don know John sitting in here. We have them
Speaker 2: get to that at Tress it goes yes, please do yep,
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Speaker 2: Lots and lots of text messages. I really wish you.
Speaker 2: I could get to all of these, maybe not all
Speaker 2: of them. Like I said, a lot of them are rants. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it the but the majority of the text
Speaker 2: messages have to do with two people. Right now. It's
Speaker 2: number twenty Tony Pollard and number seventy eight Terren Steele
Speaker 2: start with Tony Pollard. That's probably a good forty five
Speaker 2: percent of our questions right now. Where is Tony Pollard?
Speaker 10: He is?
Speaker 7: Well, Look, man, I was thinking about this last night.
Speaker 6: He's a complimentary back and there's nothing wrong with being
Speaker 6: a complimentary back. He excelled at being a complimentary back
Speaker 6: last year.
Speaker 7: Was he a pro bowler last year?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, pro bowler last year.
Speaker 6: As a complimentary back, there's nothing wrong with that. They
Speaker 6: need a physical guy, and I think Rico Dawdell can
Speaker 6: be that guy. But he's not getting the he's not
Speaker 6: getting the opportunities, which leads me to believe that maybe
Speaker 6: there's something going on during the week where they don't
Speaker 6: trust him to carry the ball as much. Looking at
Speaker 6: the carry percentage, two carries for Rico Dawdell last night
Speaker 6: and twelve for Pollard. That's back to back games where
Speaker 6: Pollard has had twelve carries. So I guess drawing back
Speaker 6: the load a little bit and putting it more on
Speaker 6: the passing side and giving it to Dak. But you're
Speaker 6: looking at twelve rushing attempts for fifty one yards. There's
Speaker 6: nothing scary about this running game. And I think when
Speaker 6: this offense was at its best last season and where
Speaker 6: it's been at its best while Pollard has been here,
Speaker 6: is a scary running game and they just don't have that.
Speaker 6: And you know, I'm always a guy who kind of
Speaker 6: thinks ahead, and you know, sometimes I think a little
Speaker 6: bit too far ahead when it comes to like the offseason.
Speaker 6: You know, you're on a one year deal, you're on
Speaker 6: a franchise tag with Pollard. If you bring him back
Speaker 6: and you sign him long term, you have to sign
Speaker 6: someone else as well, because what you've seen so far
Speaker 6: this year, you can't be you can't be okay with that,
Speaker 6: at least for me. They're trying to make him a
Speaker 6: downhill guy inside zone. And you know he initiates contact.
Speaker 6: Last year, he was not initiating contact. He was bouncing
Speaker 6: around contact like he was making the first guy miss
Speaker 6: every single time last year, and this year's he sees
Speaker 6: the first guy's all right, let me put my shoulder
Speaker 6: into him. It's like, I love you, Tony, but you're
Speaker 6: not that guy. You know, your complimentary back who is
Speaker 6: he's your best utilized with your speed and being able
Speaker 6: to find little creases. And we saw a little bit
Speaker 6: of that last night, Like there were a couple of
Speaker 6: those seven to eight yard runs where I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: there's twenty twenty two pollared, you know, where he was
Speaker 6: able to kind of squeeze between the tackles. But it
Speaker 6: feels like he's initiating contact every time. I think it's
Speaker 6: a scheme issue. I think it's a running style issue.
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of issues that go into
Speaker 6: Pollard not being as effective as he's been in years past.
Speaker 6: I mean, what can you point to one game this
Speaker 6: year where you're like Pollard was a difference maker? No,
Speaker 6: how many games could you point to last year? At
Speaker 6: least three, at least at least yeah maybe so, I
Speaker 6: don't know, man, that's that's got to be an emphasis.
Speaker 6: And that's a question I'm very curious for the offensive
Speaker 6: staff to answer today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, TP, Honestly, there was a yesterday. It was the
Speaker 4: first time all year that I felt like TP didn't
Speaker 4: look like TP.
Speaker 3: I guess throughout the whole game. I feel like most
Speaker 3: of this year he is he's in himself in my eyes,
Speaker 3: just not giving enough opportunities. And you know, we we
Speaker 3: mentioned this last last night on the post game show,
Speaker 3: the OT Show about the one two punch and how
Speaker 3: in years past he's had Ezekiel Elliott to be the
Speaker 3: battering ram. Right, he was the guy that is going
Speaker 3: there and be the punisher. And then they get used
Speaker 3: to that speed, they get used to getting you know,
Speaker 3: they get beat down, and then Tony Polter comes in
Speaker 3: and he's a lightning bolt and he's a change of pace, right,
Speaker 3: and he gets to catch guys off guard, and you
Speaker 3: get to run outside when you've been running inside, and
Speaker 3: it's just different.
Speaker 4: Now that's not the case.
Speaker 3: Right now, you're the guy, and you know, because they're
Speaker 3: choosing not to use Rico Daudo as the primary down back,
Speaker 3: you're the you are the franchise tag player.
Speaker 4: That is a reality. You should be getting more opportunities
Speaker 4: than you are.
Speaker 3: That's the reality. But also the reality is your old
Speaker 3: line is not moving people off the ball. So there
Speaker 3: is not just a Tony Poler thing and he can
Speaker 3: only do what he is given the opportunity to do
Speaker 3: if he's not giving any holes. The last time I checked,
Speaker 3: there's only one Barry Sanders that can make his own holes.
Speaker 3: So you have to give him an opportunity. And I
Speaker 3: think yesterday was the first time where I feel like
Speaker 3: he has some opportunities. That he didn't hit it the
Speaker 3: way that you expected him to hit it, and then
Speaker 3: I feel like he noticed that and he.
Speaker 4: Tried to turn it back on and it was just
Speaker 4: too late. They had to have been in the run.
Speaker 3: But anybody who expected to run the ball effectively against Philly,
Speaker 3: then I don't know, you must have been in the
Speaker 3: Raiders locker room after the game and partaking what they
Speaker 3: were partaking in, because there's no way that you're running
Speaker 3: the ball effectively against against the Eagles, not on the inside.
Speaker 4: And you know it just is what it is, man.
Speaker 4: I mean, you threw the ball more than you ran
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 3: You threw You had twenty one attempts, six rushes by
Speaker 3: Dak which mostly I would say almost all of those
Speaker 3: were s were scrambles. So you're looking at actually like
Speaker 3: called runs. You're looking at what fifteen fifteen called runs
Speaker 3: in the ball against Philly. So I'm not gonna put
Speaker 3: too much weight on the disappearance of Tony Pollard in
Speaker 3: this particular game, but in past games.
Speaker 4: Absolutely they're not giving him enough opportunities.
Speaker 3: But his average is sitting at about four four and
Speaker 3: a half yards if I'm not mistaken, in terms.
Speaker 4: Of his carrying.
Speaker 3: So he's getting the three point eight, he's at three
Speaker 3: point eight. Okay, Yeah, they got get him with a
Speaker 3: rock more. Yeah, they gotta get him a rock more.
Speaker 3: I mean they're trying to put him in between tackles.
Speaker 3: He's not an in between tackles.
Speaker 7: That type of back, Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: He's not.
Speaker 3: So when you ask somebody to do what they're not,
Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna get. You're gonna get a shelle
Speaker 3: of what you've seen them be in the past.
Speaker 7: Last year, really quick. Last year. This this rushing offense
Speaker 7: finished eighth in the NFL in total rushing yards this.
Speaker 2: Year at nineteenth.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're not running the ball and trending lower.
Speaker 4: They haven't.
Speaker 3: They haven't found a way to equally disperse the ball
Speaker 3: to all their weapons. That's where this offense is hindered
Speaker 3: right now. They are are are fine focused on getting
Speaker 3: one person the ball, and that is ceedee lamb eighty eight.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's who they're focused and Fergus and guess whether you're
Speaker 3: your tight ends, Dak's best friends. So you're safety that Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're gonna eat. You've always that position has always been
Speaker 3: the safety net. But the primary right now is getting
Speaker 3: the ball to eighty eight and they have to back away,
Speaker 3: which is okay, but you haven't found a way to
Speaker 3: do that while still getting the ball to your other weapons.
Speaker 4: When you think about some of the more the most
Speaker 4: prolific offices in the league.
Speaker 3: You think about the Kansas City Chiefs, right, they get
Speaker 3: their guy, their primary playmakers the ball, but they still
Speaker 3: top receivers. They disperst the ball to everybody, right, And
Speaker 3: you're thinking about the Miami Dolphins now where they got
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill. But guess what, Waddle gets the ball right,
Speaker 3: mostly gets the ball. You got all these other cats.
Speaker 3: Everybody's getting the ball right, so they're spread it out.
Speaker 3: You look at the Houston Texans yesterday, right, I mean
Speaker 3: they have four or five guys with over one hundred yard,
Speaker 3: four guys with over one hundred yards. Yes, they're spreading
Speaker 3: the ball around, So you have to find a way
Speaker 3: to get all your playmakers involved. And right now I
Speaker 3: think they're just struggling because they're focused on getting their
Speaker 3: number one guy the ball and keeping him happy.
Speaker 4: So you just got to find a way.
Speaker 2: These two guys that were we entered this segment talking
Speaker 2: about Tony Pollard and Terrence Steele. What do they have
Speaker 2: in common from this past year?
Speaker 4: They got paid.
Speaker 2: They were hurt, and they got paid. So there's two things.
Speaker 2: I was thinking the injuries the payment in there too,
Speaker 2: But yeah, they both got paid. Tony Pollard differently than
Speaker 2: Terren Steel. Terrence Steele got the bag in a multi
Speaker 2: year deal. He's good for a little bit. Both of
Speaker 2: them are coming off of major injuries. Which one do
Speaker 2: you feel like is hindered by their major injury? More
Speaker 2: here in twenty twenty three, If anybody.
Speaker 4: If anybody, if I had to say anybody, is T Steele.
Speaker 4: But I just think he's got Yesterday, he just got beat.
Speaker 4: He's got. I mean he faced Reddick Rdy. He was
Speaker 4: kicking his butt for a good portionateity.
Speaker 2: The Eagles have one of, if not the best front
Speaker 2: sevens in football.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, so I mean you faced a heck of an opponent.
Speaker 3: And to your point, you know, if you lose, if
Speaker 3: you lose on three or four plays, that's a bad day.
Speaker 4: I thought it was a long.
Speaker 3: Position, so it's really not in your favor. Tony Pollard
Speaker 3: has no physical restrictions that I could see. He just
Speaker 3: has not had the opportunity to make those splash plays
Speaker 3: and he has his little burst moments.
Speaker 4: But when you're getting twelve touches, that's not it. That's
Speaker 4: not enough, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just not a enough If twelve and if
Speaker 3: I'm getting twelve touches and eight of those touches is
Speaker 3: in between tackles running it to three hundred and forty
Speaker 3: pound d lineman.
Speaker 4: What do you expect?
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything to add there.
Speaker 6: I think there were a couple of breakdowns from Terrence
Speaker 6: Steele last night that he just got out athleted, if
Speaker 6: that's a word. It was just quick moves, boom, he
Speaker 6: was done. I mean it was fast, it was fast movement.
Speaker 6: And Hassan Reddick, I mean he's great at it, don't
Speaker 6: get me wrong, but he still has shown in the
Speaker 6: past that he can handle those athletic dudes.
Speaker 7: He's got athleticism to him.
Speaker 6: He's got the perfect tackle body to be able to
Speaker 6: hang with those athletic presences off the edge, and there
Speaker 6: have been times where it's kind of it's kind of
Speaker 6: worried me.
Speaker 7: And what really worries me. I was looking at up
Speaker 7: in the third quarter.
Speaker 6: He had already given up nine pressures and I remember
Speaker 6: he gave up nine pressures against the Niners as well.
Speaker 6: I was like, man, is this going to end up
Speaker 6: being an overpaid situation? And I don't think there's a
Speaker 6: conclusion there yet. I do not think there's a conclusion
Speaker 6: there yet, but it's it's it's certainly in my mind.
Speaker 3: But we talked about this in the beginning of a
Speaker 3: week as we started to talking about this matchup, and
Speaker 3: we talked about how the office line doesn't get to
Speaker 3: do what they don't get the sub no right, they
Speaker 3: get no subs off.
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about but but you take that and you
Speaker 4: cover that with.
Speaker 3: Our concern was that these guys have waves of defensive linemen, right,
Speaker 3: they had waves of them. So you're dealing a whole
Speaker 3: game with Hassan Reddick, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: they bring in Brandon Garham as a changeup.
Speaker 4: Crap, bro, I'm tired.
Speaker 3: I'm not making any excus Yeah, I'm just saying like
Speaker 3: I'm worn down and they're not, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So that's why we're talking about we start talking about
Speaker 4: these waves.
Speaker 3: Of people, like even if you drop if you have
Speaker 3: five bad players out of forty four dropbacks, forty four
Speaker 3: times you had to protect the quarterback and I was
Speaker 3: I wasn't one hundred percent for five of those.
Speaker 4: That's a bad day. So it's not in your favor.
Speaker 3: And that's why they get paid what they get paid
Speaker 3: to play that position, right, But the reality is, you
Speaker 3: played a really good opponent right last night. He wasn't
Speaker 3: the worst one on the line yesterday. He was not
Speaker 3: the worst one online. He was the one that Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think Terry Seeal was I'm going straight to
Speaker 3: the inside, you know my eyes went, I mean.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I disagree. It would have to be Terrence Steele.
Speaker 7: I think I think his mistakes.
Speaker 3: I think his mistakes were highlighted more because of where
Speaker 3: he's at on the field. But I think that in
Speaker 3: terms of like negating what you can do up front,
Speaker 3: that's that's that's where my attention was at and there's
Speaker 3: plenty of times where Dak was forced out the pocket
Speaker 3: because of internal pressure.
Speaker 2: Which is harder to deal with from a quarterback standpoint, right.
Speaker 2: And so I'm saying, like, I agree with Nick by
Speaker 2: the way, just because of the sheer number of pressures
Speaker 2: in this game specifically, but there were times when Dak
Speaker 2: had the.
Speaker 4: Role I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree on either end, but I'm saying that
Speaker 3: you're more impacted from the interior than you are from
Speaker 3: the exterior. And the exterior I think the tackles always
Speaker 3: get all the all the attention. Nobody's looking at the
Speaker 3: times where Dak rolls out because on the play where
Speaker 3: he had to take off and he stepped out of bounds, nobody's.
Speaker 4: Talking about Tyl, to be honest, nobody's talking about that, right.
Speaker 3: But the reason why he had to get out because
Speaker 3: ty got beat, right, and there was other guys that
Speaker 3: were getting beat. I'm not just want to highlight one person,
Speaker 3: but like, those things matter, right, those things matter, man,
Speaker 3: And the thing that you played a really good defensive line,
Speaker 3: you got beat. Go back watch the film, get better, right,
Speaker 3: get better better technique, be have more sound technique, you
Speaker 3: can't really get stronger. That is what it is, right,
Speaker 3: try to scheme it up, but you got beat and
Speaker 3: now you learn from it and you try to go
Speaker 3: back and ensure that it doesn't happen again. That's the
Speaker 3: competitive nature that has to be within you, where you
Speaker 3: you dab them up.
Speaker 4: You got me. Next time, it's not gonna happen. I
Speaker 4: promise you.
Speaker 7: One last point.
Speaker 6: On the offensive line, I think there's gonna have to
Speaker 6: be a lot of looking in the mirror and going
Speaker 6: back to the drawing board this offseason on it. They
Speaker 6: can't if this front five plays the way that they
Speaker 6: have in the three or four games that they played together,
Speaker 6: if they played that way throughout the course of the
Speaker 6: season and they continue to allow pressures and there's zero
Speaker 6: consistency throughout the course of a game, they're gonna have
Speaker 6: to go back to the drawing board. And I know
Speaker 6: we've talked about Tyron Smith and you know, is this
Speaker 6: the last yearason a Dallas Cowboys uniform?
Speaker 7: You know whatever.
Speaker 6: I don't think that would be the only thing you'd
Speaker 6: have to go back to the drawing board on. I
Speaker 6: think there's I think you'd have to look at all
Speaker 6: five and say, is this guy the permanent solution?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 7: Is this guy the permanent solution?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 7: Where do we need to draft?
Speaker 6: I think that's probably the biggest thing I look at
Speaker 6: right now if the offseason started today.
Speaker 2: One last text message. Unfortunately, we don't have time to
Speaker 2: completely address it the way that I would like to.
Speaker 2: We'll have to talk about it tomorrow at Black Rifle
Speaker 2: Coffee Company in North Frisco. Says Hey, talking Cowboys, this
Speaker 2: is Josh from Iowa. I'm wondering why you guys are
Speaker 2: saying it was the offense as the main problem last night.
Speaker 2: Some say, yes, I agree, but let's be real. We
Speaker 2: needed the defense to come out after halftime and get
Speaker 2: a stop and they didn't, or the Eagles second possession
Speaker 2: after that after the half, basically saying the defense didn't
Speaker 2: get the job done. I'm not completely putting one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of the blame on the offense, but when you
Speaker 2: look at the way that the defense solidified and held
Speaker 2: in check an Eagles offense that had been running people over,
Speaker 2: I felt okay by it.
Speaker 3: Yeah I'm not felt okay. Yeah, we don't have time
Speaker 3: to get into this, but I'm not. First of all,
Speaker 3: we're not putting blame on anybody. We're highlighting areas that
Speaker 3: could have been better.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, let's get areas of the defense.
Speaker 3: But we're talking about negating a really good offense to
Speaker 3: two hundred yards passing and one hundred yards on the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like what a j brown Horse went nine straight games
Speaker 3: of one hundred and twenty five plus yards He had
Speaker 3: sixty six.
Speaker 2: It's pretty impressive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, half, and if you look at the defense, they
Speaker 6: gave the offense two opportunities late Loston, Like the fourth
Speaker 6: quarter was the fact that the defense forced three consecutive
Speaker 6: three nouns.
Speaker 4: And they forced those guys to put the ball on
Speaker 4: the ground well three times, and they.
Speaker 2: Didn't get the two stops out of after the half.
Speaker 4: I get that.
Speaker 2: I understand that because they came out and they went
Speaker 2: right down the field, scored, got the ball back, went
Speaker 2: to write down the field scored. But what happened after that,
Speaker 2: didn't get a single point after that. So great question, Josh. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought it up because there are going
Speaker 2: to be people that blame one side or the other.
Speaker 2: That's not the case. This was a team loss just
Speaker 2: as much as much as these other wins been team wins.
Speaker 2: Everybody had a hand in this game losing. Every play
Speaker 2: had a hand in this game, ending up as a
Speaker 2: loss for the Cowboys. But guess what, get a chance
Speaker 2: to do it again next Week's right, yego. We'll break
Speaker 2: it down for you either way, win or lose. As
Speaker 2: we continue on Talking Cowboys tomorrow Black Rifle Coffee Company.
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