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It's a conflict of interest. 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 3: Here's what he said in part quote. I love football 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 3: at its core. It's a game of principles, and with 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 3: all the success that has given me, I feel I 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: have a moral and ethical duty to the sport, which 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: is why the point where my roles intersect is not 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 3: actually a point of conflict, despite what the paranoid and 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: distrustful might believe. Rather, it's the place from which my 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: ethical duty emerges to grow, evolve, and improve the game 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: that is given me everything. 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 4: What do he say? Call people again? 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: He called you, Rob Parker, paranoid and distressful. 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: Thank you and Tom Brady, is this on. I hope 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: you're listening loud and clear. There's a reason that people 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: don't trust you in this circumstance because along with being 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: a great quarterback, you're a great cheater and you come 26 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: from an organization that did nothing but cheat. The flake Gate, 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: spy gait. What was the other gate? It was one 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: more all the gates. I got a couple gates for you, 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: all right, Like there's just so many things out there. 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: And Tom Brady, you're the one who was suspended by 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: the National Football League. Do you remember when you destroyed 32 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: your phone rather than cooperate all Tom Brady had to do. 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: I'll never forget this moment in NFL history when Peter 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: Alexander from NBC News looked you straight in the face 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: and said, is Tom Brady at cheater? He shrugged his shoulders, 36 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: threw his hands up and said. 37 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 4: What do you mean, I don't think so, That's what 39 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: he said. I don't think so. 40 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: But he destroyed his phone rather than cooperate with the NFL. 41 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: Somehow he had three hundred text messages with a guy 42 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: he said he didn't know anything about. Either they were 43 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: having a relationship or something else. 44 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 4: I mean, you have three hundred text messages and you 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 4: don't know He. 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: Claims, you don't know the guy personally, and his nickname 47 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: was the deflator in those Texas. 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 4: Can you help me? You don't know who that guy is. 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: Come on, Tom, this is why people don't trust you. 50 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: Your history, your legacy is filled with cheating. Why would 51 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: you stop now? And you could say, oh, I didn't 52 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: know what was going on. Oh g golly with I 53 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: don't know stop it. You knew what was going on 54 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: with the deflated footballs. 55 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 5: I have no knowledge of anything. 56 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 4: Respect him. Robbie said he had no knowledge. So my 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 4: point is simple. 58 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: People don't think this is a good idea and it 59 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: is a conflict of interest and you can't see it 60 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: because you want what you want. You want the high 61 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: paying television job, yet you want to be an owner. 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 4: Nobody else is doing that. 63 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: Nobody else because it doesn't go together for the fellow coaches, 64 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: and people go, oh, they're. 65 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 4: A big deal. They just like you. 66 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: In reality, if they were asked an honest question where 67 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: maybe they didn't have to be counted, they'd have a 68 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: different response. 69 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 6: Look, I mean you already touched the we we've talked 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 6: about that, and then you touched on some of the 71 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 6: things that I'm gonna add to it. So Tom Brady 72 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 6: went from deflating and scrubbing balls to scrubbing calls, right, 73 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 6: he went to, you know, hey, scrubbing them calls out 74 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 6: the call log. And we know about the deflate gate, 75 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 6: Tampa Gate. Don't forget Tampa Gate with Tampa Wine with 76 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 6: the Dolphins. And this is what I think he's misconstruing. 77 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 7: Tom. 78 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 6: Let's say you've turned a new leaf. Nobody's saying you're 79 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 6: going to but Daggin people say you can. And I 80 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 6: don't think I don't understand how he can have an 81 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 6: issue with people saying there's a possibility when you had 82 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 6: the track record. But also we've known in sports people 83 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 6: try to find a competitive edge. Let me add another 84 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 6: one that he did wasn't illegal, but it was him 85 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 6: and somebody else trying to find a competitive edge. Remember 86 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 6: when he and his fellow great who had found out 87 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 6: now they're like best of buzz. 88 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,119 Speaker 4: They didn't want us to know when they were playing 89 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 4: Peyton Manny. 90 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 6: Remember they went and talked to the league about stop 91 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 6: hitting us low and we don't want to hit us here, 92 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 6: and they're hitting us like that, and then Tom Brady 93 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 6: a few years back. 94 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 4: Man, they got to take hits. 95 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,119 Speaker 6: I was out there to take It's Tom easy, Tom, 96 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 6: You and Peyton Manning were the main two going about, 97 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 6: we're getting hit too hard, we're getting hit too low, 98 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 6: and get you here. 99 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: Also the ones who went to the league to ask 100 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: that they have their own balls every time they were quarterbacking, 101 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: their balls came in and that's how and that's. 102 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: The whole thing. Came back with something else. Just be 103 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 4: one game ball, right. 104 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 6: So so again, what he's misconstruing is nobody is walking. 105 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 6: I think he's taking it as if people were saying, oh, 106 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 6: you're going to repairanoid. No, we're saying what we've learned 107 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 6: about sports, people are going to find a competitive edge, 108 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 6: whether they're gonna be habitual line steppers and right there 109 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 6: on the line, or if they're gonna cross it a bit, 110 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 6: whether it's steroids and track. We know how flunny that 111 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 6: was throughout the eighties and nineties, early two thousands. We 112 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 6: know about it in baseball, we know about we just 113 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 6: got all this stuff with the Clippers allegedly. Point is 114 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 6: people teams are gonna take full advantage opportunities, Tom, you 115 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 6: have a track record of it, or at least being 116 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 6: a line stepper. So the idea that if there is 117 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 6: a competitive edge to be had, you wouldn't take it, 118 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 6: stop it. All you gotta do is say, hey, man, 119 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 6: I ain't here for none of that. I'm here to 120 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 6: play ball, help you know, or help my team win. 121 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 6: But you don't have to act like we're crazy. That's 122 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 6: the part that you don't act like we're crazy, like, 123 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 6: oh my god, who would have should distrustful and paranoid? 124 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 6: Come on, Tom, paranoid is if the aliens are coming 125 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 6: on this day, then we got Timpleka. They were paranoid. 126 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 6: I'm in my sleep, somebody's breaking in my house, and 127 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 6: that's paranoid. This is just a proven track record that 128 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 6: you have, improven track record that people have oftentimes in 129 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 6: professional sports trying to find a competitive edge. It happens annually. 130 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 6: Look at the what Michigan did, look at what other 131 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 6: teams have done in other things. So don't act like 132 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 6: we're crazy, we're distrustful, or we're paranoid. That's the part 133 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 6: that I him me if he defended himself like, man, 134 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 6: I'm not gonna be I'm gonna be on the up 135 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 6: and up and I'm ready to help the Raiders. Cool, 136 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 6: that's what he believes, But don't put it on us 137 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 6: like we're crazy or naive. 138 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 139 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: the nation. 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Remember you could see on YouTube, 168 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 9: but definitely join us. Listen over Promised with Covino and 169 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 9: Rich on the Iheartrate app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you 170 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 9: get your podcasts. 171 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 6: Right now, however, we're joined by Rich Podowski. He's an author, 172 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 6: Madden and some are all how they revolutionize NFL broadcasting. 173 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 6: It is out and out, so make sure you go 174 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 6: and grab that. 175 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 4: Rich. Appreciate you taking some time with us. 176 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 5: Man, Hey, great to be with you. 177 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: Guys, Absolutely appreciate it. 178 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 6: We'll start there with just how great that tandem is 179 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 6: and how they did change the game of broadcasting. 180 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 5: They absolutely did. There's been nobody liked them before them. 181 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 5: They were put together in nineteen eighty one, almost by accident. 182 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 5: They were together twenty one years. Madden won sixteen Emmys 183 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 5: and was unbelievable. Nobody liked them during those twenty one 184 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 5: years and nobody has come close since. So I worked 185 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 5: with them at CBS Sports. I knew Madden even before 186 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 5: he came to broadcasting. I used to cover the Dolphins 187 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 5: in the seven, and I knew what unusual guy he was. 188 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 5: It turned out that Summer All was quite an unusual 189 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 5: guy too. And even though they were friendly, but they 190 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 5: were not friends. Away from the red light, they went 191 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 5: their separate ways. But boy were they great when that 192 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 5: red light was on. It was like peanut butter and 193 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 5: jelly meeting for the first time. 194 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 4: So wait a minute, So which is was it? 195 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: Why do you think they they didn't have a relationship 196 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: outside of broadcasting, especially with the football. Pat Sumroll was 197 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: a former NFL player, You know what I mean? Like, 198 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that they didn't see what was they got. No, 199 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like outside, I'm not saying that there 200 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: was a that a beef, but it's just weird that 201 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: they didn't have a relationship. 202 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 5: Really, Tombroll had a relationship prior with Tom Brookshire. They 203 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 5: worked together for six and a half years. 204 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 4: Now, that's who I remember as a kid, Brookshire, Right. 205 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 5: They started drinking margariteas two days before they got to 206 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 5: the event, and they never stopped. And that was the problem. 207 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 5: They were great and had too much fun on the 208 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 5: air and off the air, and some of the stories 209 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 5: got back to the home office and the new president 210 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty decided to split them up, and he 211 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 5: said he wanted John Matten to be his analyst, and 212 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 5: he was a favor of Vin Scully to be the 213 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 5: play by play guy, and he got out voted. 214 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: How about Tom Brady's now broadcasting for Fox and now 215 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: a part owner. I'm just curious about John Madden was 216 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: a great young coach who gave up coaching and got 217 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: into broadcast and became a great broadcaster. 218 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 4: But tom Brady's trying to do both. 219 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: People look at it and say it's a conflict of 220 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: interest because you're a broadcast you get to go in 221 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: and talk to players and all kinds of stuff. 222 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 4: Where are you on this? 223 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: Can he effectively be a fair, honest broadcast and be 224 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: a part owner and have access on both levels? 225 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 5: You know? Let me just back up a second and say, 226 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 5: what you're talking about These production meetings where the announcers 227 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 5: and the producer and director go in and talk to 228 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 5: the coaches and the star players and find out what 229 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 5: the strategies are for the game and the inside stories 230 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 5: about the players. That all started with Madden and summer 231 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 5: All and their producer Terry O'Neal in nineteen eighty one. 232 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 5: Nobody ever did that before. They would just go into town, 233 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 5: meet with the pr guys, get the three deep roster, 234 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 5: find out who was injured. Then they go out and 235 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 5: have the margaritas. Madden really started all that, and after 236 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 5: he got all, they did those meetings and they had 237 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 5: a production meeting in the back of the hotel for 238 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 5: the crew. Madden and Terrio the Know drew up a 239 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 5: whiteboard and showed them film and the cameraman knew what 240 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 5: plays were coming. I mean, if you were going to 241 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 5: have a test and the questions ahead of time, you 242 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 5: do better too. Well. That changed everything. Now everybody does it, 243 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 5: and as you said, Brady wanted to do it also. 244 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 5: At first the NFL said that's not okay because you 245 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 5: are a part owner. Then they relented. I guess too 246 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 5: many owners said he's good for the game, don't I 247 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 5: don't get it. Don't. I don't think it's fair. Even 248 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 5: though Brady was one of the first people to recommend 249 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 5: my book. I still have to say, I sn't see 250 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 5: where it's really fair to the other team. 251 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 4: I love your honesty, I love your honesty. 252 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: Tom Brady's a certified cheat or two in his history. 253 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I say you said that, Rich, But 254 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like he was suspended four games. You 255 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: remember that for the Flaygate and all that. Okay, I'm 256 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: just saying, I think Rich knows Rich. I do have 257 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: one criticism. 258 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 4: Of John Mann, and I'll wait out. I definitely go ahead. 259 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 4: Now you can't bring it up. 260 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: Now, go ahead, Rich, I did think the one thing 261 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: I did not like, and he was fantastic. 262 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 4: He was not very critical of coaching. Every coach was great, 263 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 4: like our coach is. 264 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: Sometimes it'd be a terrible game where to wonder about 265 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: the game plan. And the only thing that he used 266 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: to criticize and bang on were always the officials, like, 267 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: not players, not coaches. 268 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: Am I being unfair? 269 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: And I've watched every game and listen, But he really 270 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: wasn't critical of players or coaches. 271 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 5: That's a fair point. You know, nobody ever brought that 272 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 5: up to me before. 273 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 4: I'm that kind of reporter. 274 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: I just want you to know, Rich and I you know, 275 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: I've been covering the NFL since nineteen eighty seven. 276 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 5: Rich Well, listen, listen. John was an unbelievably unusual guy. 277 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 5: He had this insane appetite for knowing things about people. 278 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 5: He had this ability when he would meet with the 279 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 5: players to get their mannerisms, their slang, all these little 280 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 5: knickknacked things about them, tell the stories. And then while 281 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 5: he was telling those stories, he could coach both teams 282 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 5: on the field better than they were being coached by 283 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 5: their own coaches. He was America's nutty professor. And when 284 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 5: he got the CBS chalkboard and he could show all 285 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 5: twenty two players at the same time, he had a 286 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 5: ball with that, and America really loved him for it. 287 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 5: Sembrell was a renaissance guy. He was the first guy 288 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 5: to go from the field to the broadcast book to 289 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 5: play by play, and he gave himself up when he 290 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 5: was a pair with Madden to give Madden enough room 291 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 5: the beach on Madden and have it sound effects and 292 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 5: tell us stories. Otherwise they would not have been nearly 293 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 5: as great as they were. When Summer All died, Madden 294 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 5: said at the funeral, there were great voices before Pat summer. 295 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 5: All there'll be great voices after Pat, but Pat's was 296 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 5: the voice of the NFL. 297 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 6: Well out there. We hear so many highlights now and 298 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 6: I just hear his voice. You just hear right there. 299 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 6: Rich Pondowski is our guests have the new book. It's 300 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 6: titled Madden in Some are all how they revolutionize NFL Broadcasting. 301 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 6: It's in stores now and a couple other things for us. Rich, 302 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 6: I'm looking at this. You know, Madden didn't start off 303 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 6: so great. It was almost fired the early portions of this. 304 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 6: So how does that work? You know, when we're looking 305 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 6: at broadcasters, they're coming from, as you mentioned, playing or coaching. 306 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 6: How do you kind of know when to give someone grace. 307 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,479 Speaker 6: We're let them grow into this. Maybe they'll get better. 308 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 5: Every once in a while. I mean, somebody is so 309 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 5: good doing interviews, you know after a game or you know, 310 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 5: during the week. Brady was pretty damn good at it. 311 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 5: He was clip Don Shull was great at it, and 312 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 5: he never went into broadcasting. I covered Schoula and that's 313 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 5: why I brought him up. But Madden, Madden didn't know 314 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 5: what he wanted to do. He quit after ten years 315 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 5: because of bleeding ulcers. He was only forty two years old, 316 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 5: and the CBS came to him and made him an 317 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 5: offer of four or five games that first year in 318 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 5: nineteen seventy nine, and he said to the agent, Barry Frank, 319 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 5: He said, Barry, I don't know if I want to 320 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 5: do it now. Maybe in a few years. And Barry said, 321 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 5: you know, John, in a few years they might not 322 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 5: want you. And he thought about that and he said, yeah, 323 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 5: there'll be other coaches then, and there were the other 324 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 5: star players. I'll try it. I'll do it now, and 325 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 5: he said, I got nothing to lose. So that first year, 326 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 5: nobody get any help. He had games that none of 327 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 5: them went back to New York. They gave him a 328 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 5: different play by play guy, a different producer, a different 329 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 5: director all those games that he did that first season, 330 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 5: and he couldn't get a rhythm. And he knew from 331 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 5: watching his own tapes that he had to cut down 332 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 5: on his stories, but he still had to learn how 333 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 5: to do it. And it wasn't until the middle of 334 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 5: the second season, when they paired him with Gary Bender, 335 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 5: that he started to get it. But at the end 336 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 5: of that first season, there are a lot of executives 337 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 5: at CBS that said, there's nothing special about this guy, 338 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 5: and we could let him go. And then he did something. 339 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 5: Had a pre Super Bowl lunch that had everyone in stitches, 340 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 5: five hundred people in the ballroom of the Beverly Wilshire Hotel. 341 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 5: He started telling stories on the daist there and he 342 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 5: had Pete Roselle cracked up. The entire audience was in 343 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 5: the palm of his hands, and the CBS execut He 344 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 5: came to the conclusion, he's just not another ex coach 345 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 5: that wants to be a broadcaster, and they now saw 346 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 5: him for what he could be. 347 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 4: Wow, what a great story. One last one? Real quick 348 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 4: to tell me? 349 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: Uh, the story or the legend at least, is that 350 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: the way he got on Madden is that these guys 351 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: waited outside the entrance from where he comes in for 352 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: a Raiders games and were like, we try to develop 353 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: this video game or whatever, and you know what I mean, 354 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: we want to put your name on it or something. 355 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: And he exchanges car and that's really how Madden got on. 356 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: This got on his video but he talked to some 357 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: guys standing outside. 358 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 4: Did you ever hear that story? Rich? Is that how 359 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 4: it went down? 360 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 5: I did the part of the story that that sounds accurate. 361 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 5: Every story that I know is he invited the guy 362 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 5: to come on the train with him, he was taking 363 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 5: the train then, and to show him what he had. 364 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 5: So he showed him a mock up and it was 365 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 5: seven on seven And then said, well, wait, wait a minute, 366 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 5: where's the lineman? 367 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: Right? 368 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 4: You got to eleven? 369 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: Right? 370 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 5: This is all I got? He said, well, I was 371 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 5: enough offensive lineman, and I'm not going to put my 372 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 5: name on any game. Wow. I did not hear. 373 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: And that's a great story right there, you know. 374 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 5: And real quick, Uh, the miller like commercials first offered 375 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 5: to Hal Davis, Uh, the owner of the Raiders, and 376 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 5: Al said, you're using a bunch of retired guys for 377 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 5: your commercials. John just retired. Why you offer it to him? 378 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 5: He'd be much better than me. 379 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: Wow. 380 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 5: So they offer it to John, and John at the 381 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 5: dinner table with his two sons and his wife says, 382 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 5: I don't know if I want to do that. I 383 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 5: don't even like beer that much. And his wife said, 384 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 5: what the heck else do you have to do? 385 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 4: Exactly? Well, I'll tell you what. Congrats on the book. 386 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 4: Good luck with the book, Rich Podowski, thank you, so 387 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 4: I also turned down to George Forman Grill. 388 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: No, I'm just. 389 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 4: Kidding in the forest. 390 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 6: Gup now Mad, how they revolutionize NFL broadcasting. 391 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 4: It is out now. Good look Mozzel tof thank you. 392 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 5: Get it on Amazon. 393 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 394 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 395 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search fs R 396 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: to listen live. 397 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: But I do want to finish up on the on 398 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: this last topic here and do some NFL. Yeah, Rob 399 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: g let's bring you in on this. Terry Bradshaw. You know, 400 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: Terry and I have had some issues going back. It's like, 401 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: but yes, going back, but he's got other issues. Terry Bradshaw, 402 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: you know Steelers legend YEP. It's well documented now going 403 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: back several years that despite being a Steeler's legend, he 404 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: doesn't really think too highly of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He 405 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: famously called Mike Tomlin a cheerleader, even though Mike Tomlins 406 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: never had to lose the season a head coach. Could 407 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: you imagine calling a coach they can't be they can't 408 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: be more disrespectful with that a cheerleader. 409 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 3: He has openly criticized Aaron Rodgers, who for all his 410 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 3: fault is currently second in the NFL and touchdown passes. 411 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers took the high role and he did 412 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: remember that he did. 413 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 4: He handled it the right way. 414 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 3: And despite Pittsburgh being two and one on the young season, 415 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 3: first in that AFC North Division, Terry Bradshaw told Yahoo 416 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 3: Sports he's not a fan of what he's seeing in Pittsburgh. 417 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 4: Take a listen. 418 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 7: They're not ever going to fire Mike Tomlins if they continue. 419 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 7: They made the playoffs eighteen years and he wins it, 420 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 7: he'll go again nineteen years. They don't have the team. 421 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 7: He takes offensive defense, takes it all, takes coaching every time. 422 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 7: They get great players and they do really well. You 423 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 7: had Brown, Antonio Brown. They had to run Beck to 424 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 7: actually signed with the Jets. Can't think of his name. 425 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 7: He's just golling. 426 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: He I don't know where he is. 427 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 7: All these guys are on their way to the Hall 428 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 7: of Fame. They're playing so great for Pittsburgh. I want 429 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 7: my money, so they'll get their money in they're out 430 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 7: of there. That's what happens. 431 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 4: That's why I. 432 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 7: Wasn't opposed to Dallas's move. 433 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 4: For your guy going to fifth year. I want my money. 434 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 7: They say, look, I've already paid such and such, we're 435 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 7: gonna we can wait another year. And then then finally 436 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 7: I said, look, you'll send you out of here. 437 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: It's not a bad way to do it. 438 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 7: If you can pick up a lot of first round 439 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 7: draft picks, and maybe there's a quarterback you think you 440 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 7: might need, or a great lineman or something whatever. I 441 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 7: don't know, but they're always competitive with their their past 442 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 7: being a contender. 443 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 4: They're not a contender. 444 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 7: They're just they're just not from what I've seen, they're 445 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 7: not a contender, and they haven't been in a while 446 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 7: that had been a contender in five years. 447 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: This is my issue. I don't have an issue with 448 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: him saying they're not contenders. I don't expect them to 449 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: go to Super Bowl. I don't expect and they haven't. 450 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 1: They haven't had what a playoff for within a non's 451 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: but Terry Bradshaw is a perfect example of sticking around 452 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: too long. When you stick around too long and you 453 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: become a bitter old man. I'm dead serious, and this 454 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: is the danger of staying around too long. 455 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 4: Nothing's good enough. 456 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: You complain about everybody, every situation. You feel you can 457 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: say and do anything because you're an older person. What 458 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: they gonna do to you, They can't touch you, you 459 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And you feel like I live 460 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: my life. I don't care what they think. And I 461 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: don't think that's the way you really want to go out. 462 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: You don't want to go out in that fashion. That's 463 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: why I would rather retire three years early than three 464 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: years too late. I'm dead serious. And I've said this 465 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 1: to you because how would Cosell went out like that? 466 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: If you remember Howould co Sell is one of the 467 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: greatest broadcasters and his stamp on American sports announcing and 468 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: his uh where he fit into the culture at that time, 469 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: and whatever his stuff with Muhammad Ali. If you've never 470 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: seen Howard Kosel or never heard of any of his broadcasts. 471 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 4: Am I right? 472 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: Kelvit like like he is my nice standard, the standard 473 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: back in the seventies on ABC Monday Night Football, Monday 474 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: Night Baseball, all the stuff, boxing, the Muhammad Ali stuff, 475 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: just great, great stuff. But he got out as a 476 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: he went out as a retired as a as a 477 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: bitter old man, and and and went after everybody, and 478 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: nobody was any good that's just not the way you 479 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: want to go out. And why why would the Steelers, 480 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: why would you have people? You won four Super Bowls, 481 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: you have a great connection with it. 482 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 4: I get it. 483 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: You could criticize Mike Tomlin. Calling him a cheerleader is 484 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: like crossing the line. To me. You want to say 485 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't do X, Y and Z well, or he's 486 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: not able to win a playoff game. He's only won one, 487 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: hasn't won a playoff game in ten that's all fair game. 488 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: It feels like something happened there where they don't value 489 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: his opinion. He went in and tried to get Tomlin fired, 490 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: and the Rooneyes don't want to hear from him, like 491 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: there's something there that makes him this guy. He attacked 492 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers before he even got there. Aaron Rodgers said, Hey, 493 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: he's a legend. I don't know, Terry. I wish we 494 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: could meet and talk or what you know or whatever 495 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: it is. And I think there's a way to go 496 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 1: out with some grace when you've had such a distinguished 497 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: career and it doesn't mean and you know me, I'm 498 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: about keeping it real and being honest. Okay, but there's 499 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: a difference between the two and especially when you were 500 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: a part of something and now you want to burn 501 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: down everything on your way out, you know what I mean? 502 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: And I think that people remember that stuff. And I 503 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: don't know, if you're a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, are you 504 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: listening to Terry Bradshaw and thinking, yeah, there's Terry tell 505 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: it like it is either great quarterback of won four 506 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowls or they go, look at this old dude, 507 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: who's you know, going out in a blaze of a 508 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: reckless just being reckless and destroying everything and trampling over 509 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: the organization and whatnot. Why do you want to hear 510 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: your hero go out like that? I don't know. It 511 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: doesn't feel good to me. 512 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 6: Listen, two things can be true, right, So I think 513 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 6: you just stated it. They have been a middling franchise 514 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 6: for a handful of years now. There are no expectations 515 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 6: for them to go to Super Bowl. I'm sure within 516 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 6: their building they absolutely believe they are. They ain't going 517 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 6: to the super Bowl. And it looks like to me 518 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 6: they're going to be a very similar team at best, 519 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 6: at best than what they were last I don't think 520 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 6: they'll even be that successful. So yes, if someone ask 521 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 6: him what is your analysis of this team this season? 522 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 4: He gives it. 523 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 6: I understand this, but to your point, taking personal shots 524 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 6: and calling a first of all man, a man who's 525 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 6: been really good most of the time in his profession, 526 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 6: Mike Tomlin a cheerleader. It is kind of crazy and 527 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 6: calling me that when we're in the same organization, calling 528 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 6: me that when we're trying to build something, and can 529 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 6: you know we are all part of this organization. You're 530 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 6: a legacy person, I'm in my front, I'm run a 531 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 6: part of my career. Help me build. Also, he's just 532 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 6: in his no fs to give phase of life. And 533 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 6: when old people get like that, you got a grandfather 534 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 6: who gonna tell you he's that boy out in that 535 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 6: behad Why you bring that girl up in here looking 536 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 6: like that. You're like, who oh, graps, listen to my 537 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 6: girlfriend or that's my friend or that's my you know, 538 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 6: he's in that place of life and somebody has to 539 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 6: kind of reel them in a little bit, because one 540 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 6: thing you would want from him someone like that is 541 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 6: to be constructive with the franchise, meaning come on back, 542 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 6: be a part of it, help us build this thing up. 543 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 6: We're open to your criticism We're open to talk to us. 544 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 6: What do you see Listen, you played the position. What 545 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 6: are you seeing that we can do differently? And that's 546 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 6: why I'm wondering. Is there some fracture with the with 547 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 6: the organization. Is there some beef that I don't know about. 548 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 6: I think is there something that he wanted? And he 549 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 6: even said that they'll never fire him. 550 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: I think that he went to them to get tom 551 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: and they've kept their guy, and they kept their guy 552 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: and said, no, Terry, we're not doing had three coaches 553 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: in fifty years, Terry, why do you think the Rudie's 554 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: gonna do something different? 555 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 6: And that's kept them a good team. Now they want 556 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 6: to get over the top. They want to get back 557 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 6: to winning Super Bowls. But in order to do that, 558 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 6: you at least got to be competitive, and they've been that. 559 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 6: So again, I don't have a problem with him giving 560 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 6: him analysis of the team where they are what he expects. 561 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,239 Speaker 6: But when you take shots at Aaron Rodgers just kind 562 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 6: of coming in, you take shots of the organization, you 563 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 6: take shots at Mike Tomlin, it kind of becomes what's 564 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 6: really going on, what's the motive, what's the impetus, what's 565 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 6: the genesis of this is the something more derooted? 566 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 4: Is there something again we don't know about it? Is 567 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 4: there some beef with the family? Is just beef? 568 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 6: What he wanted to be part I make This is 569 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 6: me speculating, you know you part of ownership? 570 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 4: Like what what's going on? 571 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 6: Because typically what you see is guys being a part 572 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 6: of that welcome back. They're always you know, you look 573 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 6: at out Jerry Jones. Despite what I may say, you 574 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 6: may say, he may say, all the guys come back, 575 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 6: and they love being a part of Cowboy Nation, right, 576 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 6: they love being it's part of the franchise. The organizations 577 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 6: have that thing. He seems like maybe kind of slightly 578 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 6: on the outside. And again this is Kel Washington to speculator. 579 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: He was a minority owner, but he sold his interests 580 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: back twenty years ago and was sitting there in the NFL. 581 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: This guy rocket, That's what I'm saying. And you missed it. 582 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: Why y'all maybe it's some beat. Why y'all ain't tell me. 583 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Why didn't y'all tell me that this was about to happen. 584 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 6: So I don't know, I just I feel like when 585 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 6: you're in a position to be more helpful to be 586 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 6: more of a of a part of the constructive buildings. 587 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: You don't have to be I want to say that, 588 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: you don't have to be rock guy. You don't have 589 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: to be Tiki Barb. But when the giants can do 590 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: no wrong, like if you listen to the radio show 591 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: in New York like that, like he is died in 592 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: the wall. Whatever the giants do. He wants to get 593 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: the goodie bag. He wants to be able to sweep 594 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: in the Swede, you know what, the with the owner 595 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: and all that. Like he is like on the other side. 596 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: So I'm not talking about you gotta be that because 597 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: you know what the. 598 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 6: Middle to your point, I think Troy Aikman is critical. 599 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 6: He's critical. Yeah, I don't think Jerry Jones did that right. No, 600 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 6: but he you know, he'll show up at the Ring 601 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 6: of Honor. So he's like, hey, my job is to 602 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 6: keep it a buck. I'm not gonna make anything personal. 603 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 6: I'm not gonna take any jabs as you're not. But 604 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 6: I'm gonna just tell the truth and where I am 605 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 6: with it. And and it's no love loss. Pull up 606 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 6: on me, come see me. Still be there with my 607 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 6: when the triplets come in town and him and Michael 608 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 6: Irvan and m Smith. I think Troy Aikman's kind of 609 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 6: find a great middle ground of that over his years 610 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 6: in my opinion. But yeah, I just like Terry. Terry 611 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 6: is in his no blanks to give era of life 612 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 6: and the Steelers can get some of this. 613 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: That's why I brought up to Howard Cosell, because guys 614 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: go out like this. 615 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 6: Who was my man, Jimmy the Greek. Yeah, he went 616 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 6: out kind of just saying some wild stuff. There's some 617 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 6: other people who went a little too long. There was 618 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 6: health issues, like when Dick Clark. 619 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: But a lot of these guys wind up getting fired 620 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: to like Brett Muspro like you know, like they think 621 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: that they're bulletproof and they can say they haven't read the. 622 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 4: Run era whatever they want. 623 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: And you notice at Michigan, Frank Beckman was a long 624 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: time Michigan played by play guy for the Football and 625 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: then making He wrote a column about Tiger Woods and 626 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: fried chicken and Colla Greens or whatever, you know what 627 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean and lost the radio. 628 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 4: John. 629 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 6: Sometimes when you've been doing something so long, rob as 630 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 6: you know, not only I mean literally just from you 631 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 6: covering it like you're stuck in the air where you 632 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 6: can say things. 633 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: And then you think, like you really think you're bulletproof. 634 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm serious that you've been here that long. 635 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 6: I see the difference just even between me sitting with 636 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 6: other anchors who were, you know, maybe fifteen to twenty 637 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 6: twenty five years my senior. They will say some stuff 638 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 6: that I'm like because they're from that era of the 639 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 6: eighties and nineties where I'm like, we can't say that anymore, y'all.