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Two employees 26 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: both with us about seem Patrick Frazy along with two 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: other men here at the West Management driving a white 28 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: pickup truck and haul a trailer which they dumped the 29 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: trash out of. We reached out to law enforcement to 30 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: see if we could figure out what happened because they 31 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: closed they made a scene here after that happened, and 32 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: CBI spokeswoman told us they weren't able to confirm any 33 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: information because of an ongoing investigation. These photos were captured 34 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: by employees at the waste management property yesterday. You can 35 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: see Woodland Park police cars parked on site. According to witnesses, 36 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: Frazy was seen driving a white pickup and was pulling 37 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: a trailer behind. He was not driving the usual red 38 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: truck we've seen him in before. That one was seized 39 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: by police during a search warrant over the weekend. According 40 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: to employees, Frazie was accompanied by two other men, but 41 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: he never got out of the truck. Instead, the men 42 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: dumped the trash bore him because of his relationship to 43 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: Kelsey Barrett, Employees decided to call police. Witnesses say police 44 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: watched Frazy using binoculars and only entered the property once 45 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: Frazy What's gone? Employees told us police collected several items 46 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: that were left behind, and Nancy Grace, this is crime stories, 47 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: the search for a missing mom. Flight instructor Kelsey Barrett 48 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: goes on, you were just hearing from our friends at 49 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: Kardo News thirteen. Now was Alexis Dominguez reporting it's not 50 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: good for cops to be hiding and watching you with binoculars. 51 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: I know that much. Joining me right now at Lanta 52 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor Holly Hughes, host of investigation Discoveries, 53 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: hit show Fatal Vows. Doctor Brian Russell, cop turned PI 54 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: and author of playbook to a Murder, Vincent Hill. Joining 55 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: me right now. Ellen Colaurin, Crime online dot Com investigative 56 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: reporter where you can find this in all other crime stories. 57 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: She's breaking news on this one. Left and right. We 58 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: gotta remember aka Ellen Colaurin. This is not a quote story, 59 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: as media people like to say. This is a mom. 60 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: This is a young mom with a one year old 61 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: talk girl and a mother and a family missing her. 62 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: And this is no mommy's girl hiding behind as I 63 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: like to say, her powder puff and limp gloss. This 64 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: is a season to flight instruct or, even at her 65 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: young age. I find it very, very difficult to believe 66 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: that this mother, who had never done this before, would 67 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: text in to her boss at the aviation company and say, oh, 68 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm out for the next week. I'm not buying it. 69 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't think she's taken a powder with another boyfriend 70 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: with her fiance waiting in the wings. Alan Klaurin. In 71 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: the last hours a lot of breaking news. Tell me 72 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: what you know. This is a missing person, This is 73 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: a missing mom, an accomplished, independent young woman who was 74 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: if responsible and would likely not just take off a 75 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: week of work without telling anyone. In the last hours 76 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: and days, we have some new information. We know that 77 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: Patrick Crazy, Kelsey's fiance, was seen at a waste management 78 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: facility with two other men unidentified. At this point, they 79 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: came in separate vehicles. Crazy stayed inside of a white 80 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: pickup truck as the other two men hauled off some 81 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: trash from a trailer attached to that truck. Police were 82 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: called in, and we understand that they did that. They 83 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: did take some trash away from the facility. Interesting aka 84 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: that they're not revealing what they took even when they 85 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: were asked, and that they watched him with binoculars. It's 86 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: not like a cop coming up to you and going, hey, 87 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta tail light out. You know, there's 88 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: no pretense about it. They actually were in hiding, and 89 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. As far as what the 90 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: cops are doing. You know, I've been on many many 91 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: take out more than I can even count, and there's 92 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing wrong with surveiling what is in open and 93 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: plain sight, which is what they were doing. But my 94 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: point is when you are not up front and open 95 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: with the person, that means you're suspicious. As of right now, 96 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: the fiancee Phrasy has not been named a person of 97 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: interest or suspect. Now, anybody everybody throws out trash, I hope, 98 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: but in addition to a special trip to the dumpster, 99 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: I find this very disturbing. Listen, she's lived off Lake 100 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: Avenue for years, sharing cordial conversation even family stories with 101 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Kelsey Barrett. She's an awesome person. She's so kind, and 102 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: so you could tell she's a very kindhearted person. The 103 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: neighbor didn't want us showing her face or using her 104 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: real name to prevent excess attention, but she offers new 105 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: details on activity at Kelsey's home Thanksgiving Day. What do 106 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: you remember seeing Thanksgiving Day? Just off the road here? 107 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: I looked up there and there was both red pickups 108 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: up there Thanksgiving Day, and that was from about twelve 109 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: thirty to one. She says she never saw anybody, but 110 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: the information aligns with what Phrasey told police through his attorney, 111 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: saying he picked up their daughter sometime Thanksgiving Day. The 112 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: safeway surveillance video includes a twelve oh five timestamp, meaning 113 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: the truck would have arrived shortly thereafter the other two 114 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: cars were parked with the vehicles facing the apartment, but 115 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: his was parked sideways behind them. The neighbor says it's 116 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: the same chunk she's seen the last two years driven 117 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: by a man picking up and dropping off of baby. 118 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: And when I showed her video of Phrasie's truck towed 119 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: off his property Friday, she says, it looks the same. 120 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: You were hearing from our friends at KOA A News 121 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: five a Denver reporter Sam Kramer speaking to a neighbor 122 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: of Kelsey Barrels. You know what, let's back it up 123 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: for a moment. Ellen, start at the big ginning, tell 124 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: me the timeline. Then we'll go to our experts, Vincent Hill, 125 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: doctor Brian Russell, and Hollyhes. Go ahead, Ellen, So we're 126 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: now nearly a month since Kelsey birth went nissing. She 127 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: was lasting on Thanksgiving Day. The last time she was 128 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: seen publicly was at a Safeway supermarket with her daughter. 129 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: Crazy has told authorities that he met with her later 130 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: that day so he could pick up their daughter because 131 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: they don't live together, and as the neighbor's interview shows, 132 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: it does appear that someone driving the same pickup truck 133 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: that the neighbor had seen before was at Kelsey's home 134 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: early that afternoon, and she has not been seen since then. 135 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk also about the cell phone payings. 136 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: But first of all, out to Holly Hughes, former prosecutor, 137 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: current Atlanta criminal defense attorney who has tried many many cases. 138 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: Holly at first blush, You know her. The fiance has 139 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: been called a quote gentle giant. He's the last one 140 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: to say her. While Cotts are not calling him a 141 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: suspect or a person of interest. He's got to be 142 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: their main focus right now because he's the last person 143 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: to see her, There's no doubt about it. And how 144 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: many times have we heard he was such a nice boy, 145 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: he was so quiet. People say that about Jeffrey Dahmer, 146 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: So right off the jop he's placed himself as the 147 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: last person to see her. Secondarily, he is involved with 148 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: her and they share a child together, which puts also 149 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: another check mark next to his name. And then you've 150 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: got this suspicious activity where he's renting a trailer in 151 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: hauling quote unquote trash out to this particular dumping site, 152 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: but not getting out of the car and handling it himself. 153 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: So there are many reasons that the police are going 154 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: to be looking at him and what they're doing at 155 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: this point, they're not naming him because but protecting, as 156 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, for protecting the investigation, the integrity 157 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: of the investigation. They are just quietly in the background, 158 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: watching what's happening and gathering the evidence they are going 159 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: to need if and when they ever get this into 160 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: a court. A lot I'm very very interested to you, 161 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, regarding his car, his vehicle being parked sideways 162 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: behind her two cars. Yeah, Nancy, it's curious police haven't 163 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: named him the suspect, but his actions are definitely suspicious. 164 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: So he's the last person to see her. He's at 165 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: her apartment shortly after she's seen on his surveillance footage, 166 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: and then skipped a few weeks later. He's at a 167 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: dump site. You know what happened inside that apartment, Nancy, 168 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: because that is essentially that we know the last place 169 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: she was seen, according to this neighbor. So could something 170 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: have happened inside that apartment that we don't know about 171 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: that led to this dump site? We don't know, Nancy. 172 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: Kelsey's fiance, Patrick Phrasey, told police he last saw her 173 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving afternoon, when he picked up their daughter. Kelsey was 174 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: not reported missing until ten days later by her mother. 175 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Patrick has done everything that he has been asked for 176 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: by law enforcement. Jeremy Lowe, Patrick Frazy's attorney, says his 177 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: client has been interviewed by law enforcement, voluntarily released his 178 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: phone to be searched by investigators, and provided photographs along 179 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: with cheek swabs for DNA. Police have said phrase is cooperating. 180 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe that he is a suspect, 181 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: and the police have not isolated him as a suspect 182 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: in this case. Phrasey and Barretts do not live together, 183 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: but Barrett's mother says their bond is strong, their relationship 184 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: has been good, They're loving. She remains hopeful her daughter 185 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: will be found. The speculation hasn't been helpful. Don't try 186 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: to figure this out. We've got people trying to do that. 187 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: Just share the photo. There's more important things to be done. 188 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: At this point, police say the case remains a missing 189 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: person's investigation. In the back of my mind, sure there's 190 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: a possibility something else could have happened, but it does 191 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: mean no good to go down that road, and I 192 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: don't think it does n't see any good either. Twenty 193 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: nine year old Kelsey Beareth has not been seen since 194 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: she was recorded on surveillance cameras in a grocery store 195 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: in Woodland Park, Colorado, with her baby daughter. Her fiance, 196 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: Patrick Frazie, tells that she dropped the baby off after 197 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: that grocery store trip, and he has not seen or 198 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: heard from her since now. The two have never lived together, 199 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: despite being engaged in sharing a daughter. Interesting The fiance 200 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: was not present at a press conference and has been 201 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: scrutinized on social media for refusing to speak openly about 202 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: missing Chelsea. But despite that scrutiny, her mother says they 203 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: had a very good relationship. Straight out to Ellen Colauria 204 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: and Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Ellen, what do 205 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: you tell me about the fiance, because that is where 206 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: every timeline starts, the last time someone was seen or 207 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: spoke spoken to verbally, not by text or email. Tell 208 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: me about the fiance. That's right. He was the last 209 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: person to see her, and we know that he was 210 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: not the person who contacted police, his lawyer said, and 211 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: he's been with her daughter. His lawyer has a release 212 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: his statement and says that he is now cooperating with police. 213 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: He did give a DNA swat of his mouth, he 214 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: did hand over his phone, but he did not attend 215 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: a press conference earlier this week where her mother did 216 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: attendance and spoke and begged for her daughter's return. His 217 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: lawyer claims that Patrick didn't know about the press conference 218 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: until an hour before it began, Otherwise he would have 219 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: been there, and our word to the media, that's what 220 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: That's what the lawyer said. Kelsey Bressed twenty nine, has 221 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: not been spot assuments gross she's shopping with her baby 222 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: Woodland Park, Colorado. Fiance tells cops she dropped the baby 223 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: off afterwards at his home. Has not been seen since 224 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: her phone pinged about seven hundred miles away from where 225 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: she was last seen three days later. Now does that 226 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: make sense to you, Karen Smith, forensics experts, seven hundred 227 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: miles in three days? Does that make sense? It can 228 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: be done, well, sure it can be done, but none 229 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: of it makes sense to me. Nancy who First of all, 230 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: if my fiance had gone missing, I would be freaking 231 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: out after three hours. First of all, ten days, ten 232 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: days she was reported missing ten days later and the 233 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: cell phone things seven hundred miles away? Are you kidding me? 234 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: I would be all over the press. I would be 235 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: in front of every camera that would put my face 236 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: on television. I would be talking to everyone and anyone 237 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: if I had nothing to do with this. Ten days 238 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: is a long time to pass. Ashley, Well, kind I'm 239 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: looking in the video right now. She comes in the 240 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: front of the grocery store. She's carrying the baby in 241 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: a car seat. Oh, it looks just like the ones 242 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: I would carry the twins in double fisted. She puts 243 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: the car seat in the front of a cart with 244 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: the baby facing her, you know, that top area, and 245 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: then she drives off. She's got on a coat, her 246 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: hair's back in a bun, and the baby's all bundled up. 247 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: All right, So what do we know about him originally 248 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: not giving DNA because at this juncture, Ashley Wilcott, he 249 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: has done interviews, he has released his phone to be searched. 250 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: She's given given buckle swabs, which is, you know, a 251 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: mouth swab, and photographs. On the other hand, Ashley, I 252 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: guess his lawyer said, look, if you don't give it 253 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: to them willingly, they can get a warrant from you 254 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: and take it from you. Right, That's what the lawyer's 255 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: gonna advise him. But let me ask you this, why 256 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: get a lawyer in the first place if you're not 257 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: involved in second? Ten days? I agree with your guests 258 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: ten days. Who waits ten days to figure out where 259 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: somebody is, especially the mother of your one year old? 260 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: You know? He also the lawyer says that what does 261 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: this mean to you, doctor Daniel Bober, you're the forensic psychiatrist. 262 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: The lawyer has added that the fiance for Ze will 263 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: not speak publicly because he does not want to quote 264 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: impede the police investigation. Yeah, I mean, Nancy, a lot 265 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: of this stuff is not just positive, but it's certainly 266 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: very suspicious. I mean, he's sort of reluctantly cooperating and 267 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: sort of has to be dragged to do it. So 268 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: that's definitely concerning and it seems like he definitely has 269 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: something to hide, although again it's not just positive. Well, 270 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: I agree with you because let me go to you, 271 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot. When the chief of police there at Wiland Park, 272 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: Chief Miles Deyong, was asked at the press conference about 273 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: the fiance not being there, he simply said, you'd have 274 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: to ask him, okay to see. I can read a 275 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: lot into that response, Ashley. Absolutely, he's not cooperating, and 276 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: it sounds like law enforcements frustrated because where most people 277 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: who have missing person in their life do anything and 278 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: everything they can and give law enforcement every shred of 279 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: everything they need, the boyfriend is not doing that. The 280 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: fiances not cooperating, so I think it does indicate something's 281 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: a miss. Now. The brother Clinton Beareth said that he 282 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: realized she was missing, and he goes to her home 283 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: and what the brother Clint Beareth says is the only 284 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: thing missing from the home was her pocketbook, her luggage, 285 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: her makeup, all untouched in her two vehicles are still 286 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: at the home. Ellen Colauren, you left that little detail out. 287 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: Both her cars are at the house, her luggage, her makeup, 288 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: all that. The only thing missing is her pocketbook, which 289 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: I'd like to point out she had with her when 290 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: she was at the grocery store. That's great, and not 291 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: only was all of that stuff left behind, but there 292 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: was also a some cinnamon rules that she hadn't clearly 293 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: just speaked that day. By the time they got there, 294 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: they were cold, but she was baking in her kitchen 295 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: and it looks like she just pulled out the roles 296 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: to cool and had every intention of coming back. There 297 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: are absolutely no signs in the home that she was 298 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: planning on going away for any amount of time. Take 299 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends Inside Edition reporting on Kelsey 300 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: barrest disappearance. Guys the tipline seven one six six eight 301 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: seven nine two six two seven one six six eight 302 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: seven nine two six two another number seven one nine six, 303 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: four seven five nine nine nine seven one nine six 304 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: four seven five nine nine nine. This little baby deserves 305 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: to be with mommy on Christmas morning. Listen we talked 306 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: just Thanksgiving morning. The mother of missing Kelsey Barrett shares 307 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: more of what happened on the last day she saw 308 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: her daughter. This is video of what police believe is 309 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: one of the last times she was seen here. She 310 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: is well into a safeweight grocery store near her town 311 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: in Colorado with her one year old daughter. Cheryl Barrett 312 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: speaks with CBS News that she sounds normal. Did she 313 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: sound definitely, she sounded happy. A few days after her disappearance, 314 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: detectives say a text message was sent from her phone 315 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: to her employer saying she would not be showing up 316 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: to work. The following week, another text was set to 317 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: her fiance. Cell phone Tower data indicates the phone was 318 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: hundreds of miles away outside Gooding, Idaho, but investigators have 319 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: not found Barrett there. It just makes no sense. I 320 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: guess it just makes no sense that we can't find her. 321 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: I have to keep looking. Take a listen to what 322 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: ABC reporter Marcy Gonzale says. Barrett was seen here at 323 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: this Colorado's supermarket on Thanksgiving day police a Phrasey met 324 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: with the twenty nine year old pilot shortly afterward to 325 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: pick up their one year old daughter. It was the 326 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: last confirmed sighting of Barrett. Phrazy never reported her missing. 327 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: Their daughter is still in his I have no information 328 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: at this time that I need to take that daughter, 329 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: that child away At this point, investigators say, three days 330 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: after Barres vanished, two text messages were sent from her phone, 331 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: one to Frazy and another to her employers telling them 332 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: she was taking time off from work. At this point, 333 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: we're considering every possibility and I'm not willing to jump 334 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 1: to conclusions or labeled people involved in this highly complex investigation. 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We are asking Patrick to 352 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: sit down with investigators since he is the last person 353 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: to talk with Kelsey face to face. Based on our investigation, 354 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: there have been numerous questions about whether Patrick is a 355 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: suspect or a person of interest. At this point, We're 356 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: considering every possibility and I'm not willing to jump to 357 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: conclusions for a label people involved in this highly complex investigation. 358 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: Do I think Kelsey's still alive? That's absolutely a possibility, 359 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: and that is our hope. What was the probable cause 360 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: to search the home? So in order for us to 361 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: get a search warrant, we have to have enough information 362 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: for a judge to sign off on it, and we 363 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: did have enough information. I judge did sign off on 364 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: that search warrant, and that's all I can comment on it, 365 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: sealed search. The more we examine it, the more murky 366 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: the water becomes. Will the answer be discerned because of 367 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: text messages and sell phone pings? I want you to 368 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: listen to what our friend at ko AA, Sam Kramer's discovered. 369 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: Listen while investigators return for a follow up search of 370 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Frasi's property Tuesday. In Experts says the top evidence 371 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: is somewhere else. The key I think will be in 372 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: this case is cell phone analytics. We know Kelsey Barrett's 373 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: phone sent two text messages November twenty fifth, three days 374 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,239 Speaker 1: after she was last seen. Mark Poff, a former El 375 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: Paso County Sheriff's detective and current experts, says paying attention 376 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: to how the messages were written compared to old texts 377 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: could signal suspicious activity. You can compare that and you 378 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: can kind of determine does that look like her style? 379 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: So then you can kind of get the information of, 380 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: you know, did she truly send that text message or 381 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: did someone else use her phone to send that text message? 382 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: Then there's the reported ping. We don't know how many 383 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: towers are between woodland Park or Gooding, Idaho, or their 384 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: exact locations. But we do know the phone hit off 385 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: a tower nearly eight hundred miles away from her home 386 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: without reaching any of the other towers via call, text 387 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: or data along the way. If somebody makes a trip, 388 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: you can track them very easily. They're hitting towers on 389 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: the way up. Plus Pop says there's two types of pings. 390 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: He thinks police received the lesser of the two, giving 391 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: them a radius between two miles and forty five miles wide, 392 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: but not in exact location. If it was a ping 393 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: means that the phone specifically told the tower I'm here 394 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: and here's why location using GPS coordinates. As police say 395 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: they continue to make progress on several investigative leads. You're 396 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: hearing that like me, Holly Hughes, former prosecutor and now 397 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: defense attorney in the Atlanta jurisdiction, You've tried a lot 398 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: of cases. You and I've both dealt with cell phone 399 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: data and scientific evidence. I mean, day in day out. 400 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: Analyze what you've just heard. Well, they're absolutely right. They're 401 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: going to look at not only the fact that there 402 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: was a ping, but linguistically, is this her language? Is 403 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: this the way she speaks. Are certain words spelled the 404 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: same way? Or does she use shortcuts? You know, we 405 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: all know about lol and you know VTW. There may 406 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: be a shorthand that she herself has developed. And when 407 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: they pull those records, they're not just looking at what 408 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: happened in the time she went missing until now. They're 409 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: going backwards Nancy, and they're going to take a look 410 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: at the language she uses. And there are experts, you know, 411 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: linguistic experts who will say, this does not sound like her. 412 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: She didn't use this particular type of syntax. Some people 413 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: don't use sunctuation when they text. So all of those 414 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: little tiny details are what is going to trip up 415 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: someone if they are faking that they are Kelsey when 416 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: sending these messages. And people don't understand how absolutely solid 417 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: this type of evidence can be. You know, they think, well, 418 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't seen. Well, murder is not a spectator sport. 419 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: We usually don't see a murder being committed. But it's 420 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: all those little things that they did not think of 421 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: afterwards that are going to trip them up. And when 422 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: you package all that together, it's what you and I 423 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: call and the law calls totality of the circumstances. So 424 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: you've got all the suspicious behavior you've got, he's the 425 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: last person to see her. You start adding in this 426 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: cell phone evidence, and something just doesn't pass the smell test. 427 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: You know. Another issue, She does have family in Idaho, 428 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: but nowhere near those cell phone things. Was her Let 429 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: me just say, kidnap her. I mean, for all I know, 430 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: she's sitting on pool float into Hiti right now. I 431 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't think that's what's happened at all. 432 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: But did someone make it look like she was headed 433 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: to family in Idaho? Again, this was nowhere near her 434 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: relatives in Idaho. But is that what someone is trying 435 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: to suggest? Also, both of her vehicles are parked right 436 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: there at her home. Why would she take a different vehicle? 437 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: She's got two sitting in the driveway her home completely 438 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: and disturbed. Her brother went in and found her luggage, 439 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: found everything neat and in order. Cinnamon rolls were cooling 440 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: on the kitchen counter. Everything was fine, only missing her 441 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: purse and cell phone. Now back to the pings to 442 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: doctor Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer, host of investigation discoveries hit 443 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: series Fatal Vows. Doctor Brian with crime online, you know, 444 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: and with Jackie and with Alan, we talked throughout the 445 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: day every day, starting in the week, early morning hours, 446 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: going through crime news, missing people, missing children, to determine 447 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: what we are going to focus on that day. Okay, 448 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: it's for that moment, what is important right now? What 449 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: is the most important, because it's all important. Very often, 450 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, I write in abbreviated style, and I remember 451 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: at CNN, stop laughing, Jackie, I remember at CNN HLM, 452 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: I would write the whole staff, you know, here are 453 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: five stories I've just found. Investigate. I mean, at least 454 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: that's what I meant to say. And I remember, very 455 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: often this is your team. Interns or new staff members 456 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: would write back, what are you saying? Because the way 457 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: I wrote it in abbreviation, sometimes there'll be one letter 458 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: for multiple words. Okay, all right, So Holly's right. You 459 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: develop your own syntax when you're texting or writing, and 460 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: if you're doing it on the goat not that I 461 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: would ever text while driving, but if you do it 462 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: on the go, you develop a communication that nobody else has. 463 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: When you communicate with typed text, you lose the stylistic 464 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: aspects of somebody's handwriting that you can use to authenticate it. 465 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: So what you have to rely on are the kinds 466 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: of things that you're talking about. Characteristic uses of capital 467 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: versus lowercase letters, characteristic abbreviations, characteristic uses or non uses 468 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: of punctuation, characteristic syntax, characteristic grammar or grammar mistakes. All 469 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: these Well, we're saying syntax. Can you explain what we're 470 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: talking about? So if I'm going to tell you, you know, 471 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you at your house for 472 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve dinner, you know that I could tell it 473 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: to you like that, or I can say can't wait 474 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: to see you for Christmas Eve dinner at your house. 475 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: It's just a slightly different way of saying the same thing. 476 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: And when you look at how I tend to say 477 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: stuff to people, you can find patterns that somebody who's 478 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: trying to send you a text ast Bryant Russell, doctor Brian, 479 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: I would totally right. See the ladder you the ladder 480 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: at sign you house, probably the picture of it, the 481 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: little emoji capital C, capital E to me that would 482 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: say see you at your house Christmas Eve. Yeah, and 483 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: maybe an exclamation point. So if I'm trying to impersonate you, 484 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: and I write that all out, that would actually be suspecially, 485 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: even though it would be a totally normal way to 486 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: say it would be suspicious because that's not what you 487 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: would typically. Yeah, the whole everybody I'll crime online would 488 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: fall over dead if I wrote it, a whole entire sentence, 489 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: grammatically correct, with punctuation. That is not ever going to 490 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: happen ever, period. And if it did, they they call 491 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: nine one one immediately and report my husband David. Okay, 492 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, the cops would have a tail on him 493 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: in about fifteen minutes. So Brian, not only then the 494 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: particular language of the text, which in itself calling into 495 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: work and said I'm gonna be gone for a week, No, 496 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: but the particular language is now taking significance. The search 497 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: is on for a missing mom, a twenty nine year 498 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: old flight instructor with a little baby, a baby girl. 499 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: Tip line seven one nine sixty eight seven nine two 500 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: six to twenty five thousand dollar rewards. She was a 501 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: farmer kid. She drove his swauthor for her dad. She 502 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: worked the hay farm. A passion for flying. She'd watched 503 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: the crowd Duster's take off, and she says, I want 504 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: to do that. Kelsey Barrett's uncle says his niece discovered 505 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: both growing up in rural Washington States. I think she 506 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: had a point in her life she didn't know she 507 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: wanted to be a farmer or a pilot. I mean 508 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: she wanted both, and she considers her mother her best friend. 509 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: Kelsey and her mom typically talk quite often. I mean 510 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: they were attached at the hips since she was a 511 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: little which is why Stanfille believes Kelsey wouldn't have just left. 512 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: It was really weird for Cheryl not to have heard 513 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: from Kelsey, and now he's left, like the rest of 514 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: Kelsey's family wondering and warring miss her. Waterman, You're hearing 515 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: our friends at Denver News nine speaking to Kelsey's uncle, 516 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: Ed Stansville, and what a woman this Kelsey Brett sounds 517 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: like a loving mom, a devoted daughter, devout Christian flight instructor. 518 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: I could just see her as a little girl out 519 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: on a farm, out in the farmland, looking up at 520 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: a cropduster and saying, I want to do that. She 521 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: has she has done that. I can't bring myself to 522 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: speak about her in the past tense, like so many 523 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: people are doing. But to Ellen colaurin Crime online dot 524 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. In the last hours, a new development. 525 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: Is it true law enforcement has been back out at 526 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: Phrasey's place. That's right, Nancy. Yesterday morning, it appears that 527 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: multiple law enforcement agencies at least five car vehicles were 528 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: seen leading Phrasey's thirty five acre property. And remember this 529 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: is after he was seen at that waste management facility. 530 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: But the Colorado Eure of Investigation said in a statement 531 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: it was a routine follow up visit to his property. 532 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: And again they have not refilled if any evidence has 533 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: found has been found. All they have said was that 534 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: they didn't find Kelsey there. You know, I love the 535 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: way the cops taught Hollyheen is because you and I 536 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: both know what that means. Holly Hee's with me now, 537 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: Atlanta criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor. A brief follow up, 538 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: routine visit. There's not a darn thing routine about digging 539 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: up your farm with a bobcat a backhope and bringing 540 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: cadaver dogs out to smell all over your thirty five acres. 541 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: There's not a darn thing routine about that. And then 542 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: a follow up visit. Am I wrong? You are dead? 543 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: On and answer you hippidel on the head, because usually 544 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: what the police will do is you and I know 545 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: is if they want to follow up interview, they're inviting 546 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: you to their house because they want you off kilter. 547 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: They want you uncomfortable. They want you to not be 548 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: at home surrounded by your own things, where you feel 549 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: like I'm the king of my castle. I'm in control, 550 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: I've got this. You also don't tend with moving equipment, 551 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: heavy machinery and a team of police officers. You get 552 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: one or two detectives. If it's just a routine follow 553 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: up whoko, they sit down, and that's usually done with 554 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: a witness, not a suspect, not a person of interest. 555 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: Now they haven't come out and called him that, but 556 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: anybody with a pair of eyes is looking at that 557 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: Bobcat and going that's not routine. So I mean total 558 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: agreement with you, Nancy. There's a lot they're not taking 559 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: and they'll do that again to protect the integrity of 560 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: the investigation. But nobody's a fool. When you go out 561 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: with a Bobcat, you're not having a chat. You are 562 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: looking for evidence. Hella, you're right, and I want to 563 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: go to Vincent Hill. Cop turn a PI author of 564 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: playbook to a murderer. Vincent Hill. Now I keep hearing 565 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: from the cops, so I'm gonna go to ek to 566 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: clear this up for me. That they'd love to sit 567 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: down and talk to him as they put an ie 568 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: interrogate the ying gang out of him, But his lawyer 569 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: insists he has cooperated. Listen, Vincent Hill. Kelsey's Beyonce Patrick 570 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: Frazy told police last saw her Thanksgiving afternoon when he 571 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: picked up their daughter. Kelsey was not reported missing until 572 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: ten days later by her mother. Patrick has done everything 573 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: that he has been asked for by law enforcement. Jeremy 574 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: Low Patrick Frazy's attorney says his client has been interviewed 575 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: by law enforcement, voluntarily released his phone to be searched 576 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: by investigators, and provided photographs along with cheek swabs for DNA. 577 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: Police have said phrase is cooperating. I have no reason 578 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: to believe that he is a suspect, and the police 579 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: have not isolated him as a suspect in this case. Okay, 580 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: you were here from our friends at NBC Today at 581 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: Joe Freyer reporting that the fiances lawyer says that he 582 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: is cooperating with police. But AKA, before I go to Vincent, 583 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: isn't it true that the cops keeps saying we'd love 584 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,959 Speaker 1: to talk to him? There seems to be disconnected seen 585 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: his lawyers saying and what police are saying. As of Friday, 586 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: when police first executed the search warrant on his property, 587 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: the sheriff said that they have been wanting to interview 588 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: him in person, one on one, just him, and so 589 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: far he is only communicated through his lawyer unless something 590 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: has changed since Friday. That was the last that we 591 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 1: heard and he has not spoken to the police on himself. Two, 592 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: it's a hill former TURNPI. You know you are an 593 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: inner city Nashville cop now turned private investigator. Tell me 594 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: what that means. Interpret cop language for me, because at 595 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 1: a press conference, somebody asked, well, why did it take 596 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: the fiance ten days to report her missing? And the 597 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: Woodland Woodland Police Chief Miles DeYoung says, you'd have to 598 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: ask him translation. He hadn't told us, Yeah, Nancy. So 599 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: when I hear routine, I laugh at it. So here's 600 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: the thing. He was initially interviewed because that's typically what 601 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: you do during a missing person. Hey, what was she wearing? 602 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: When's the last time you saw her? But now they 603 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: want to turn this interview more into an interrogation to 604 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: answer those questions, Hey, what happened, where were you at? 605 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: How come you didn't reporter missing? So those are the 606 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: questions police want to ask now. But now since he's 607 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: hiding behind his lawyer again, he hasn't been named the suspect, 608 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: but it's very suspicious, Nancy, take a listen to you inside. Addition, 609 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: speaking to Sonya Oliver, neighbor, as police step up the 610 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: search for a missing mom, a friend is coming to 611 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: the defense of the fiance at the center of the mystery. 612 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: Police say Patrick Frazy is the last person to have 613 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: seen twenty nine year old Kelsey Barrett alive. I was 614 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: considered him to be a gentle soul, soft spoken and 615 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 1: just really down to earth and practical. Sonia Oliver says 616 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: she has known phrase a rancher for five years. Do 617 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: you think he possibly had anything to do with his 618 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: fiance's disappearance. I couldn't imagine him doing anything that would 619 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: harm anyone. You personally do not believe he had anything 620 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: to do with it. I just can't imagine Patrick doing 621 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: anything like that. Police say. Phrasie has so far refused 622 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: to talk to them. I'm just hoping that everything pans 623 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: out to be okay. You know, I've been thinking about 624 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: this a lot, Hollyhe's if my husband went missing, I 625 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: don't know that I would lay your up. What do 626 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: you make of it? You know, when people go missing, 627 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: if you love them and you're not involved in a 628 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: name of defarious activity, you are in a panic. Nancy, 629 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: you are in I want everybody in the world to 630 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: know this. I want to publicize that. I want to 631 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: get help from the police. I'm going to report it 632 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: right away. Ten days the mother of your baby girl 633 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: is missing, and you don't think to reach out for help. 634 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: And another thing when we you know, let's go back 635 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: to those texts for two seconds, she says, I'm not 636 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: coming to work. Not once does this loving, caring, devoted 637 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: mother reach out and say, how's my baby? How's she doing? 638 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: Ellen Colauren, We just heard a neighbor describe him basically 639 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: as a gentle giant. But you've reported otherwise. One woman 640 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: interviewed by Daily Mail out of vigil for missing Kelsey Barrett. 641 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: I'd worked with Phrasy years ago. He's a cattle farmer. 642 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: He works in horse grooming. He does rodeoing all sorts 643 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: of things with animals and farming. She said that she 644 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: stopped letting him work with her horses because he was 645 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: violent with them and because he kicked one of them 646 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: in the stomach because it didn't it was disobedient, and 647 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: multiple other people said that they had seen him act 648 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: somewhat aggressively aggressively with animals, even though they had different 649 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: interpretations of how violent it was. Another thing is the 650 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: all email reached out to his Patrick's ex girlfriend. She 651 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't talk, but her current partners partner did talk, and 652 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: he said that he cheated on her while she was 653 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: in the hospital. All of those rapports regarding pushing a 654 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 1: horse and cheating on the ex girlfriend are not confirmed 655 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: by crime online dot Com. Right now, cops on the 656 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: hunt for Kelsey Barreth as her little girl hopes mommy 657 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,959 Speaker 1: comes home for Christmas. There's a twenty five thousand dollar 658 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: reward tipline seven nine six seven nine two six two. 659 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off good Bye friend.