Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. Twitter misses you Mark.
Speaker 2: From the Chris Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 1: It's x man, it's Around the NFL.
Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hansis. I got Mark Sessler here, and here's
Speaker 2: the thing. Everybody unplugged for one moment. Okay, because here's
Speaker 2: Mark talking into a microphone. You don't need to live
Speaker 2: on social media. You got the real thing right here.
Speaker 3: I have found it to be an interesting experience. I'll
Speaker 3: still go on as a like a distant observer because
Speaker 3: there's news happening in like, oh yeah, news, but what's
Speaker 3: happened to Like I know this is already happening with
Speaker 3: X me. The the algorithm of what they're feeding me
Speaker 3: now has become complete total lunacy and has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with anything that I used to like.
Speaker 1: It's just because I would.
Speaker 4: Like to see what you're getting served.
Speaker 1: I will. I'll show you after the show for sure.
Speaker 1: Also joining us. You heard her there?
Speaker 2: Hi, she didn't get introduced, came in.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm here. Great to see you guys. What a
Speaker 4: day the day we have in store?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, it's we got a Connie Wolf. We got
Speaker 1: the tiniest of all boxes.
Speaker 2: We got a Tuesday show with Colleen, not Tuesdays with Maury,
Speaker 2: It's Tuesdays with Connie sitting in the Greg chair.
Speaker 1: Greg on a well.
Speaker 2: Deserved vacation in the tropics of the Pacific, so he
Speaker 2: will be back next week. He's actually gonna we're gonna
Speaker 2: tag each other out. I'm gonna head out for the
Speaker 2: tropics after he returns. I was thinking, with Greg not here,
Speaker 2: how can we make the most of this? This Greg
Speaker 2: is an impossible person to replace on the show. Is
Speaker 2: football acumen and his ability to disagree with everything cannot
Speaker 2: be replaced. However, how about this the idea that is
Speaker 2: he really on a tropical vacation. Do we know, for
Speaker 2: instance that it Delaware isn't back together?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 4: Wow, there's conspiracy theories all over the place.
Speaker 2: And then I actually have a file when Greg brings
Speaker 2: up Delaware, because you know, I want the tapes Greg's
Speaker 2: high school band, Delaware, And it says actual in my
Speaker 2: notes cut and paste Delaware bio.
Speaker 1: This is all I have right now.
Speaker 2: But if you're out there, we're looking for the tapes,
Speaker 2: the demos, the release of the album.
Speaker 1: How do you Want It Cooked was the name of
Speaker 1: the album.
Speaker 2: I believe this was a follow up album or perhaps
Speaker 2: a single Shiny Man went to frog Town. These are Delaware.
Speaker 2: This is actual titles to Delaware material.
Speaker 3: Was it an actual I don't know if they've produced
Speaker 3: multiple albums, but sorry anyway.
Speaker 2: The drummer, lead singer and keyboards, Greg Rosenthal. We're not
Speaker 2: getting anything off him. Drummer Jeff Lash. That's traditional Jeff
Speaker 2: spelling lash Lash.
Speaker 1: He was the drummer Jeff.
Speaker 2: If you're out there, if you were from Western Massachusetts
Speaker 2: and you know a Jeff Lash, please reach out to
Speaker 2: him and have him reach out to us with any
Speaker 2: potential demos. Also, there's a guy named Andy in the band.
Speaker 2: Don't have the last name, just Andy Andy from Western
Speaker 2: mass If you're out there, we will give you a
Speaker 2: signed eight x ten glossy of Mark Sessler in Levi
Speaker 2: the jacket if you reach out to us with the tapes.
Speaker 3: It's probably only two hundred and seventy five thousand andyes
Speaker 3: in that area. So like it's spread a wide net
Speaker 3: and get to work.
Speaker 4: I have confidence in the subreddit. I feel like they
Speaker 4: can they can mobilize and answer this for us. Also,
Speaker 4: why hasn't there been like some type of sing off
Speaker 4: with Greg, like you have to kind of trick him
Speaker 4: into singing, and why hasn't there been a segment yet?
Speaker 2: We have to He's sheepish about his musical past, and
Speaker 2: I've tried to get that out of him, but I
Speaker 2: do want to hear how do you want to cook
Speaker 2: their debut album?
Speaker 3: I would love that there was There was at one
Speaker 3: point at one of the band members of someone who
Speaker 3: knew Greg, maybe it was any Maybe it was claimed
Speaker 3: to have, you know, the tapes. So they're out there,
Speaker 3: and you know, we're getting in to the age where
Speaker 3: maybe some of these people don't live, They're not on
Speaker 3: the earth anymore.
Speaker 1: Let's just positive that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Wow, by the way, if anybody, we just were blown
Speaker 2: away by the Patrick Claiband SOG submissions. If anybody wants
Speaker 2: to take a crack on what Delaware might sound like,
Speaker 2: he's he said there mid nineties alternative music, the vein
Speaker 2: of like a Flaming Lips type artist, that type of
Speaker 2: underground alternative band, a little bit of a he said,
Speaker 2: not prog rock, but kind of you know, very left
Speaker 2: of center alternas. It's a little yeah, it was alt
Speaker 2: and like Greg had like a part down the middle, I.
Speaker 3: Believe, with the marsh hair down both sides. At some
Speaker 3: part of that.
Speaker 4: I remember there was a guy that I had a
Speaker 4: huge crush on in like fifth grade, and he had
Speaker 4: that haircut and he loved Silverchair, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: well I'm gonna get into Silverchair too, just because he
Speaker 4: had he likes them.
Speaker 1: The Australian Teens Silverchair. I remember that. Man.
Speaker 4: I would love if the listeners submitted some songs for
Speaker 4: Greg and specifically focused on what Greg sounded like on vocals.
Speaker 2: And We'll give you, We'll give you the again the
Speaker 2: titles of We'll choose Him as songs Okay, how do
Speaker 2: you want it cooked? And shiny Man went to Frogtown?
Speaker 2: Either of those give us a I mean, I think
Speaker 2: Greg would really appreciate starting the show this way and
Speaker 2: potentially extending this bit that he's been hoping to kill,
Speaker 2: like the pix competition for years, undoubtedly, but instead the
Speaker 2: old Zuzzar has turned into an opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's what I does. Part.
Speaker 3: That's what I don't doubt your your abilities to They
Speaker 3: call me Sicky Davis for a reason, you know that. Yes,
Speaker 3: all right, let's get into today's show, because we got
Speaker 3: a good one coming up a little bit later. We're
Speaker 3: going to sleuth the top ten of the NFL draft
Speaker 3: far away from the draft.
Speaker 1: Holy god, we're.
Speaker 2: Inside a month now from the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: In fact, Connie, I know right before you joined us
Speaker 2: you were in hardcore scramble mode prepping for this show
Speaker 2: because you were doing a.
Speaker 4: Just did a mock draft live with Bucky Brook's latest mock,
Speaker 4: his third one that he dropped. So just analyzing that
Speaker 4: Lancer line, isn't it?
Speaker 1: And you hosted the proceedings.
Speaker 4: Yes, I did.
Speaker 1: Where can people see that? Bye?
Speaker 4: That is all Come on, It's all over the place.
Speaker 4: It's on the network today and today is Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Today is Tuesday, March twenty six.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's on NFL Plus as well.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, just your local listings.
Speaker 1: Can you stack these assignments?
Speaker 3: Do you feel better beforehand or do you feel better
Speaker 3: when they are crossed off your list? I always feel
Speaker 3: better about your personnelity after.
Speaker 4: Everything has been accomplished. It is a little bit of
Speaker 4: a sprint. I was flying back from the East Coast
Speaker 4: yesterday and I have to fly back there tomorrow. So
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I'm I'm prepared and I have a
Speaker 4: lot of information in this old brain rock.
Speaker 2: Do you like it better on the hard thing is
Speaker 2: in front of you or behind you? I mean, I
Speaker 2: think everyone's gonna have this similar.
Speaker 3: Of course, but I think it's a little more asterisk
Speaker 3: slash like special with Colleen because I understand when she's
Speaker 3: coming in my car the same way, like there was
Speaker 3: a fair amount of palpable tension in the room when
Speaker 3: she was in preparation mode. I was just imagine that
Speaker 3: her on her drive home is going to be like
Speaker 3: luxury for her.
Speaker 4: Oh it's I love when it's over everything. But I
Speaker 4: my notes that I was preparing for this show while
Speaker 4: I was hosting the other show, and I know that
Speaker 4: this is not a visual medium, but my notes, look.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a YouTube program. Can we get a tight.
Speaker 4: Scrambled on a cocktail napkin? And this is what I'm
Speaker 4: working with. So you know, it's uh, I can't even
Speaker 4: read what any of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, slightly psychotic but on the back of the yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, so that check that out.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna do some draft stuff, as I said,
Speaker 2: but we're gonna sleuth it like an old friend of ours.
Speaker 1: And we'll get to that a little bit later.
Speaker 2: But first we got a lot of news to get
Speaker 2: to because the NFL owners meetings went down to Orlando,
Speaker 2: and that's always a source of I don't know, intrigue,
Speaker 2: that's a little strong. It's always a source of gruel.
Speaker 1: For the old news.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you haven't been sent there, which is a
Speaker 3: pattern of late, it's less intriguing.
Speaker 1: The good old days. They used to send us there,
Speaker 1: and now I've never been.
Speaker 4: All I do is hear about the swag. There's parties and.
Speaker 2: The salad days. Yeah, as they say. Anyway, true back
Speaker 2: to reality. Let's hit the news and this is going.
Speaker 5: To be inside the tent. And this is dropped picked
Speaker 5: up by Beck. Beck still going running to the right side.
Speaker 5: Beck has some room. Twenty five, thirty, thirty five, forty,
Speaker 5: He's at the fifty. He's at the forty five of Jacksonville.
Speaker 5: Beck across the third. That's what the fifteenth, ten to five,
Speaker 5: Are you kidding? Rock and Roll touchdown Houston. My goodness,
Speaker 5: oh my Beck picked up the ball. The earth started
Speaker 5: shaking in North Florida, and he.
Speaker 1: Ran on the right side and found the lane to
Speaker 1: the end zone.
Speaker 2: Man oh Man, Mark vandermir with the call kilt. That
Speaker 2: was Andrew Beck full back, the up back on the
Speaker 2: kickoff in Week three against the Jaguars, and impossibly he
Speaker 2: took it to the house.
Speaker 1: And why do I play that?
Speaker 2: Because you'll never see that again in the NFL, because
Speaker 2: everything is different now. The NFL owners approved a massive
Speaker 2: and I mean massive revamp of the kickoff on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: after three days of discussions at the league's annual meeting,
Speaker 2: they passed a proposal twenty nine to three in favor
Speaker 2: of redoing kickoffs and essentially ending the days. And we've
Speaker 2: talked about this, We even talked about it, I think
Speaker 2: Super Bowl Sunday night at the stadium in Vegas, Like
Speaker 2: how many times you get all pumped up at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the game, touchback, touchback, touch back, all throughout
Speaker 2: the games. And so they finally decide to go with
Speaker 2: a rule that's very similar, almost identical in fact, but
Speaker 2: not exactly the same as an XFL rule. So during
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season, kickers will continue to kick
Speaker 2: from the thirty five yard line, but the other ten
Speaker 2: players on the kickoff team will line up at the
Speaker 2: receiving team's forty, so everyone other than the kicker is
Speaker 2: now on the same side of the field. At least
Speaker 2: nine members of the return team will line up in
Speaker 2: a setup zone it's called between the thirty five and
Speaker 2: thirty yard lines. Up to two returners can line up
Speaker 2: in a landing zone between the goal line and the
Speaker 2: twenty yard line, and no one other than the kicker
Speaker 2: and returners can move until the ball either hits the
Speaker 2: ground or hits a player inside the landing zone. So
Speaker 2: touchbacks will be marked at the thirty yard line. By
Speaker 2: the way, no fair catch is allowed, so that lasted
Speaker 2: what one year. Fair catches on kickoffs and so now
Speaker 2: there's always going to be a play and that was
Speaker 2: kind of the goal figure out to make the kickoff
Speaker 2: a play again. Also, the idea here is to lower
Speaker 2: the reason why they put in a lot of the rules,
Speaker 2: Marc is to try to lower the instances of head
Speaker 2: injuries because the big running start down the field.
Speaker 1: So they try to address it with this. Let's see
Speaker 1: if it works.
Speaker 2: It's a huge change in the way football will look
Speaker 2: and feel, but one that I think we all agreed
Speaker 2: was kind of necessary.
Speaker 3: It's a one year trial I think from the fan angle,
Speaker 3: it's going to be visually amazing to experience because it's
Speaker 3: completely different than anything else. I was trying to think of,
Speaker 3: like in our lifetime, like a rule change that was
Speaker 3: as steep as this and as different, and I would
Speaker 3: go back to maybe like in nineteen ninety four when
Speaker 3: the two point conversion was brought in. It's like that
Speaker 3: it's that much of a game changer, because when you
Speaker 3: watch this, it does absolutely what you're talking about. Because
Speaker 3: with these two lineup lines of special teamers just separated
Speaker 3: by five yards, they go and they clash and then
Speaker 3: the runner is close behind them. I just wonder, like,
Speaker 3: it's if it's gonna take time for if your defensive
Speaker 3: or offensive to figure out like the tweaks in this,
Speaker 3: because it just seems like because you have to have
Speaker 3: two guys deep, if you were to take like your
Speaker 3: fastest defensive lineman and have him blow up one player
Speaker 3: in that like lineup because you're not, they're not. It's
Speaker 3: like it's there all it's a line like you get
Speaker 3: like your fastest wide out behind him, he's gone, Like
Speaker 3: there's It's like, I just wonder if it's going to
Speaker 3: create in a wonderful way, I guess, like crazy scoring opportunities,
Speaker 3: but it's it's also going to separate kickers because the
Speaker 3: kicker has to literally put it in a twenty yard
Speaker 3: zone now unless you want to boot it out of
Speaker 3: the end zone. But it's like you can't just power
Speaker 3: kick and assume everything is gonna be a touchback.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be wild to watch for the first month
Speaker 1: or two.
Speaker 4: And when the XFL did this, there were more returns,
Speaker 4: there were fewer injuries, So that's clearly what the end
Speaker 4: is shooting for in this situation. But it also revalues
Speaker 4: because we talk about players being devalued, it revalues kick returners.
Speaker 4: And it's kind of apropos in the year that Devin
Speaker 4: Hester is going into the Hall of Fame, Like, we
Speaker 4: want to see this, We want to be able to
Speaker 4: see these plays back in the game, won't. We don't
Speaker 4: want to see people getting hurt. But it makes it
Speaker 4: more exciting.
Speaker 2: Also makes it, I would think, and you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't watch the XFL full Disclosure show, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: It feels like it's going to make it more congested
Speaker 2: and more difficult to run kickoffs back, but maybe not.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's enough of a buffer zone because they can't
Speaker 2: move the defenders until the balls reaches the player, where
Speaker 2: you could still effectively set up the blocking the way
Speaker 2: special teams coaches do to ensure high level kickoffs. By
Speaker 2: the way, and the event a team wants to tempt
Speaker 2: an onside kick, this is notable as well, Like, for instance,
Speaker 2: Saints fans that are listening, like, arguably you know one
Speaker 2: of the most important and pivotal plays ever and say
Speaker 2: its history was the onside kick fake or the surprise
Speaker 2: on side kick I should say by Sean Payton that
Speaker 2: led to the recovery.
Speaker 1: Do I have that right? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: In Super Bowl forty four, you cannot surprise the team
Speaker 2: with an onside kick. So in the event of a
Speaker 2: team wants to attempt an onside kick, will have to
Speaker 2: inform officials of its intent and then they would be
Speaker 2: allowed to use the NFL's traditional formation. No surprise on
Speaker 2: side kicks are allowed, so which, by the way, I
Speaker 2: don't know if.
Speaker 4: That it's so weird now you have to declare it.
Speaker 4: It takes all.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing, surprise.
Speaker 2: Out because of and we've talked about on the show,
Speaker 2: like we get it like, and everyone gets it.
Speaker 1: You're trying to make the game safer.
Speaker 2: But because of some changes they made in the onside
Speaker 2: kick rules to protect players, it's almost impossible to recover
Speaker 2: an onside kick now. So now on top of everything else,
Speaker 2: now you've removed this surprise elm and so it makes
Speaker 2: that play that much more difficult.
Speaker 3: It's a trade off because obviously, like with the kicker
Speaker 3: thirty five whatever yards behind is other ten special teamers
Speaker 3: on sid's kick would be absurd. That play already felt
Speaker 3: like it was kind of dead over the last couple
Speaker 3: of years because of the rule change.
Speaker 1: I think there's still work to be done to work
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: If this works, let's move to fixing the outside kick,
Speaker 2: cause I think that's a broken plate, right.
Speaker 3: But I think the one thing it shows, because if
Speaker 3: you're the NFL and you're the king of all leagues, like,
Speaker 3: it shows a bit of humility to borrow from the XFL,
Speaker 3: And I think that tells you that the on side's kick,
Speaker 3: if it remains the sort of dead zone, like, they'll
Speaker 3: address that. Like I do give them credit for wanting.
Speaker 3: I will never forget being at the Super Bowl. And
Speaker 3: while it was a special moment on the opening kickoff,
Speaker 3: like the last one we'll ever watch. That way, the
Speaker 3: stadium and Allegiant Stadium went into this hush.
Speaker 1: It was totally quiet.
Speaker 3: But then it just resulted in nothing, and it was like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, and that it was Greg who after
Speaker 3: the show said the kickoff has got to go and
Speaker 3: he's in Hawaii and got.
Speaker 2: His wish light in though it was just still a kickoff.
Speaker 2: This like the change, no, the change to the dead
Speaker 2: cud way that it was. You was saying, just get
Speaker 2: rid of it, and I was saying, like, it's football.
Speaker 2: You still you have to have to find a way
Speaker 2: to keep it in there without just turning into okay, okay,
Speaker 2: change a position, you get the ball to twenty five,
Speaker 2: Like I like it.
Speaker 1: We'll see if it works. It'd be weird if they
Speaker 1: take it away after one year.
Speaker 3: I tend to think, like, but that happens unless it's
Speaker 3: a total colossal failure. It's already proved also work in
Speaker 3: another league. You move forward to the humility. I don't
Speaker 3: know if i'd put that with our.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I'm just saying, to pull from a
Speaker 2: it's kind of easy to pull from the XFL when
Speaker 2: it's failed fourteen times in the last twenty years, so
Speaker 2: it's like it doesn't It's not like the AFL in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine where it's like you're actually looking at
Speaker 2: them like uh oh there. But to the XFL's credit
Speaker 2: for all their struggles kind of when they first came
Speaker 2: and I think two thousand and then they've rebooted and
Speaker 2: now I believe they've merged with maybe the af.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of versions stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the NFL has not the first time that they've
Speaker 2: taken elements of what they do, some of its production
Speaker 2: and TV production that they they kind of said, oh,
Speaker 2: that's good, we'll take that.
Speaker 1: But now we have a rule that they've taken.
Speaker 2: As well, So you could argue, yes, it's good to
Speaker 2: have competitors quote unquote or not a total monopoly on
Speaker 2: on the sport.
Speaker 1: So then you can learn it's.
Speaker 4: Like a best kitchen. Yes, we're going to see how
Speaker 4: it works over here. Watch you go through it and
Speaker 4: figure out the data, and then maybe we'll give.
Speaker 1: It a whirl.
Speaker 2: And one last thing before we move on to the
Speaker 2: other rule changes. Chris used to say this all the time.
Speaker 1: Wes.
Speaker 2: The NFL has always been pretty good about messing with
Speaker 2: the product to try to find the best version, which
Speaker 2: not all leagues do.
Speaker 1: This another example, like the.
Speaker 2: NFL takes pretty big swings in messing with the product,
Speaker 2: and that's I think that's all healthy. On Monday, owners
Speaker 2: approved three other rule changes. This one's got me a
Speaker 2: little bit more like, uh oh, we'll see, because for
Speaker 2: all the good, sometimes meddling and messing with rules just
Speaker 2: leads to a bigger mess, like when they again the
Speaker 2: Saints seemed to be the center of everything after they
Speaker 2: got robbed of that trip to the Super Bowl on
Speaker 2: the missed PI call against the Rams and THENFC Title game,
Speaker 2: they put in pass interference as a reviewable play and
Speaker 2: then that quickly went sideways and they got rid of
Speaker 2: it after one year. Now they have they're prohibiting the
Speaker 2: uh swivel hip tackle technique. So I just want you
Speaker 2: to I don't want you guys, people to dwell on
Speaker 2: it too much, Colleen.
Speaker 1: I want you to put yourself like as the Eagles.
Speaker 2: Fan had on Like it's third and seven and it's
Speaker 2: a huge point in the game, and your linebacker makes
Speaker 2: a great open field tackle to get off the field
Speaker 2: and then out comes the laundry and the officials confer,
Speaker 2: and it's very borderline and it's moving very fast, and
Speaker 2: the tackle happens. Suddenly they decide that it was a
Speaker 2: swivel hip drop tackle and not a standard hip drop
Speaker 2: tackle or just a a tackle, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's fifteen yards in a first down. Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 2: little worried about trying to legislate what kind of tackle
Speaker 2: was that. Now some are obvious, and I think that's
Speaker 2: what they're trying to enforce here, But I'm just worried
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it out loud now.
Speaker 4: In March, am I in the fourth quarter of the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl in the scenario are the Eagles playing the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: In this scenario a lot of gray area. The players
Speaker 4: and the former players absolutely hate it. Just doing GMFB
Speaker 4: last week and talking to Jason mccordy, and the last
Speaker 4: time I was in there, it was Kyle van Ney
Speaker 4: and Cam Jordan and Jason mccorty, and everyone was like, so,
Speaker 4: this is how you're taught to tackle. You're taught to
Speaker 4: wrap up. It's a fundamental And yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 4: The data says that it leads to more injuries. But
Speaker 4: now you're asking defensive players to relearn how they play
Speaker 4: the game, which they're going to have to do. But
Speaker 4: it's also when you think about the rookies that are
Speaker 4: coming into the league and these rookies, who a lot
Speaker 4: of them are not going to be paid a lot
Speaker 4: of money, and they're also trying to get up to
Speaker 4: speed with the speed of the NFL and now learn
Speaker 4: how to tackle completely differently, and the coaches how much
Speaker 4: time they're going to have to spend in training camp
Speaker 4: looking at tape trying to figure out how how to
Speaker 4: do this because it's also like a gravity thing with
Speaker 4: the way with your body weight in the tackle, so
Speaker 4: you have to change everything that you're doing. And I
Speaker 4: think that that's going to be hard to officiate because
Speaker 4: of all of the gray area.
Speaker 3: And I think, uh, you know, that's tough too on
Speaker 3: everyone because there isn't open tackling in camp and in
Speaker 3: practice in generally there there would have been a long
Speaker 3: time ago. Jeff Miller, the VP of Safety, noted that
Speaker 3: there were two hundred and thirty of these this version
Speaker 3: of the hip drop tackle, the swivel that's that's illegal.
Speaker 3: That happened last season in fifteen and it resulted in
Speaker 3: fifteen players missing time. The Mark Andrew Mark Andrews was
Speaker 3: lost because of this.
Speaker 1: But there was.
Speaker 3: Argument initially that that wasn't even exactly what they're talking about,
Speaker 3: that particular hip drop. Now they say it is that
Speaker 3: it's part of the list that would not would have
Speaker 3: been flagged. I think what it probably will will turn
Speaker 3: out to be because I think it's fans are going
Speaker 3: to it's a lightning rod if it. If it does,
Speaker 3: I mean in the fourth quarter to a team finds
Speaker 3: changed changed the way players tackled again.
Speaker 1: But a lot of this started.
Speaker 3: It was interesting to hear that, like when the Legion
Speaker 3: of Boom rose up, that they were teaching those players
Speaker 3: to in some cases tackle this way to avoid the
Speaker 3: helmet to helmet. So now this is being taken away,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't agree more with just from a physics angle,
Speaker 3: if you're one of these defensive guys, how do you what.
Speaker 1: Do you do?
Speaker 2: Other changes? I like this one, This one's makes too
Speaker 2: much sense. This one of those ones that never made
Speaker 2: sense to me, that was even the way it was.
Speaker 2: Now there's a new rule that allows teams to receive
Speaker 2: a third challenge after one successful challenge. Previously, the team
Speaker 2: had to be successful on both challenges to receive a third.
Speaker 2: This proposal was submitted by the lines Good job, Detroit
Speaker 2: makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 1: You don't just.
Speaker 2: Because if the officials got something wrong and you corrected them.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't have to go one hundred percent on your
Speaker 2: challenges to get that challenge back. You should never lose
Speaker 2: a challenge if you want a challenge, all right, if
Speaker 2: there is oh another.
Speaker 1: In other news, da da da da, the.
Speaker 2: Teams voted down the fourth and twenty on side kick
Speaker 2: altern So maybe try that rowelve years ago. Good news, Colleen,
Speaker 2: but we'll see in a post Jason Kelcey world. No
Speaker 2: ban on the tush push not going anywhere, and it's
Speaker 2: all right, we'll see. It'll be interesting to see if
Speaker 2: the Eagles are still using it this year. Yeah, and this.
Speaker 1: One also made sense.
Speaker 2: I know Greg was honked about this, although I don't
Speaker 2: think they went far far enough. The trade deadline is
Speaker 2: being moved to the Tuesday after week nine. That's one
Speaker 2: week different. So it's usually been right around Halloween, which
Speaker 2: is week eight. Now it's the week after the Tuesday after.
Speaker 2: You know, the Monday Night Football of week nine. I'd
Speaker 2: say pushed even to ten or even eleven.
Speaker 3: I could see that even like next offseason if it
Speaker 3: seems to benefit everyone, all right, that should have happened
Speaker 3: like in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of can't believe that that it took
Speaker 4: this long.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break here and then get into
Speaker 2: more news. All right, moving on, we'll head back to
Speaker 2: the owners meetings in a bit. But first, some news
Speaker 2: that went down. This was a big name that had
Speaker 2: been hanging out there, Lugarious Need, Super Bowl winning cornerback
Speaker 2: of the Chiefs. He had been tagged by the Chiefs
Speaker 2: but had been given permission to seek a trade. He
Speaker 2: found a trade sent to the Tennessee Titans, who then
Speaker 2: quickly agreed to terms with Snead on a four year,
Speaker 2: seventy six point four million dollar deal includes fifty five
Speaker 2: million guaranteed twenty million signing bonus. That from rap sheet. Obviously,
Speaker 2: that was a contract that tells you that Sneed is
Speaker 2: viewed as an up end cornerback and certainly the Tennessee
Speaker 2: Titans are counting on him to be that.
Speaker 1: Connie. The deal.
Speaker 2: The trade, by the way, was Kansas City accepting a
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five third round pick and a swap of
Speaker 2: seventh round selections. I wasn't blown away by the return,
Speaker 2: but I'm always I always seem to be often on
Speaker 2: what players can fetch in a contract in a trade
Speaker 2: so they get a Day two pick back. The idea
Speaker 2: that they could or my original thought that they can
Speaker 2: maybe pair their top pick this year with the sneak
Speaker 2: Hall to move higher up the board. Maybe it still works,
Speaker 2: but it's something. It's just not a ton for a
Speaker 2: guy that was a big time player for them.
Speaker 4: It's not Kansas City. They've been planning though for this
Speaker 4: loss for two years now, when they took Trent McDuffie
Speaker 4: in the first round. They've selected a couple other quarterbacks
Speaker 4: before that twenty twenty two draft was finished. But it's
Speaker 4: like I think, for the Titans, this is great for them.
Speaker 4: They've been trying to fix that secondary for so many years.
Speaker 4: Their pass defense hasn't finished in the top half of
Speaker 4: the league since twenty eighteen, and over the last four
Speaker 4: years they've used four Day one or Day two picks
Speaker 4: on cornerbacks alone. Look at Christian Fulton, Caleb Farley. I
Speaker 4: could keep going but Lajerious Sneid is an absolute upgrade
Speaker 4: for them. They also added Chadobi a Woozia during the
Speaker 4: first wave of free agency, so they have now a
Speaker 4: nice little group with Sneid, Ouzier and Roger McCreary in
Speaker 4: the slot, plus their DC Denard Wilson. He was a DBI,
Speaker 4: So you know that the emphasis is going to be
Speaker 4: on that secondary and hopefully after all of these years
Speaker 4: in purgatory, they'll be able to make some improvements.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you said it.
Speaker 3: I mean it's I would have thought a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks back that it would have been a second, not
Speaker 3: a third. But if you're the Chiefs, you didn't want
Speaker 3: this salary and you were ready to move on, and
Speaker 3: so it's acceptable and I kind of trust the Chiefs
Speaker 3: to make something to have it. But I don't know
Speaker 3: for this franchise and trade thing. Like the terms, this
Speaker 3: was a surprising term to me. I love it for Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Titans, who have been very active of
Speaker 2: this offseason, but maybe haven't gotten the best grades overall.
Speaker 2: This one, I can't quibble with this. They've now addressed
Speaker 2: another key point part of their team by adding a
Speaker 2: high end cornerback. So they're improving and we'll see what
Speaker 2: happens next, maybe what we need to do, because this
Speaker 2: happens to us all the time, and we're not alone.
Speaker 2: We always think a player is gonna fetch more. Let's
Speaker 2: just start, let's get ahead of it now, and just
Speaker 2: it's attacked.
Speaker 1: So whatever you think it's going to be, just drop
Speaker 1: it down around right.
Speaker 3: I think we could have we could have say that
Speaker 3: not on the air, so that people start to just
Speaker 3: think that innately we've grown that way.
Speaker 1: But I'm with you one hundred percent. I'm not atit
Speaker 1: added post. Yeah, I always feel that.
Speaker 4: Way whenever we do. You're the GM and we're trying
Speaker 4: to figure out trade values. I'm so bad at that.
Speaker 4: I wasn't good at math, I'm not great at the finances.
Speaker 4: And then the resource swapping is sort of in that
Speaker 4: same vein sure. So yeah, I mean maybe if there
Speaker 4: was like a class on that, it'd be cool.
Speaker 2: Moving forward, Moving forward, We're going to have this nailed.
Speaker 2: Let's head back to news out of the owners meetings,
Speaker 2: where Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin said Russell Wilson has
Speaker 2: quote pole position to open the years the team's starting quarterback.
Speaker 2: This is the same team that also now has of
Speaker 2: course Justin Fields, who also we kind of miscalibrated the
Speaker 2: old trade market.
Speaker 1: Up, No we didn't.
Speaker 2: So here we go, yeah, edit that out and post
Speaker 2: as well. Here is Mike Tomlin on the QB Sich Sich.
Speaker 6: The term that I've used is Russell has pole position.
Speaker 6: And why do I use that term because during this
Speaker 6: time where we are not formally working, man, I just
Speaker 6: think it's beneficial his experience International Football League, his process
Speaker 6: that's been honed and perfected. Talking about over a twelve
Speaker 6: month calendar is not only good for him, it's good
Speaker 6: for teams. It's good for receivers, tight ends, running backs, etc.
Speaker 6: All the things that people are that are really committed
Speaker 6: to winning do this time of year. Russell has those resources,
Speaker 6: man that structure, and so that's why I say he
Speaker 6: has pole position.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 6: It just creates a synergy that I think is good
Speaker 6: for this time of year when it's time to compete.
Speaker 6: We get in training camp like settings and going to
Speaker 6: preseason stadiums and so forth. Obviously Just will be given
Speaker 6: an opportunity to show his.
Speaker 1: Capabilities preseason stadiums.
Speaker 2: Wow, all right, I mean, I think will you parse that,
Speaker 2: but it's yeah, they want Wilson to be the quarterback,
Speaker 2: and they like that they have someone to be there
Speaker 2: if Wilson is washed.
Speaker 4: Also, if Justin Fields plays fifty one percent of the snaps,
Speaker 4: that conditional sixth round pick turns into a fourth round pick.
Speaker 4: So of course Russell Wilson is going to start the season.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, and Mike Tomlin hasn't exactly been like the
Speaker 3: Washington Post with his quarterback reports and updates to what
Speaker 3: do you Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Like not not a total wappo situation.
Speaker 3: No, so I think like this is this is true
Speaker 3: until it's not true, which is probably as soon as
Speaker 3: Justin Field starts doing special things.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Mike Tomlin, he was in conversation at I
Speaker 2: don't know where it was. I think it was the
Speaker 2: owner's meetings, makes sense. It was with John Lynch. Oh no,
Speaker 2: that might have happened before. Okay, Uh, maybe it was
Speaker 2: a pro day. You know these days, a lot of
Speaker 2: things going on, a lot of gray area, a lot
Speaker 2: of gray eye, a lot of who's what's and what
Speaker 2: has anyway? Uh, and Tomin's like, hey man, what's going
Speaker 2: on with.
Speaker 1: The without you and uh, what's his sitch? That's his sitch.
Speaker 2: Let's wa poo post saying on that anyway, John Lynch
Speaker 2: came out of the owners meeting.
Speaker 1: He said, no, Brandon and Yuke's not available in to trade.
Speaker 2: In fact, uh, you know, my my coach Shanny, he
Speaker 2: wants him to stay.
Speaker 1: We're just using all abbreviations and nicknames. I love the show.
Speaker 8: Nothing's going on there. We're actively talking with Brandon trying
Speaker 8: to figure something out. And you know I always talked
Speaker 8: we have a good history of working with the guys.
Speaker 8: We want to get done, to get something done, and
Speaker 8: it takes two sides. So can we do that? We'll see.
Speaker 9: Hmm.
Speaker 8: There's a number of different directions you know that it
Speaker 8: could go. But appreciate that guy is a player and
Speaker 8: want them to be a part of the Niners. So
Speaker 8: we're going to work towards.
Speaker 1: Making that reality. My radar is going off a little bit,
Speaker 1: really a little bit, like.
Speaker 2: I'm not now could by the end of his podcast,
Speaker 2: could there be a newser that's out that's like brand
Speaker 2: UK is now the top five highest paid wide receive
Speaker 2: in the league. Certainly possible, But I think there's just
Speaker 2: enough wiggle room in the way he was talking there
Speaker 2: that the Niners are always a forward thinking team. Might
Speaker 2: still be open to moving Ayuk at the right prices
Speaker 2: if it means them being able to reboot and get
Speaker 2: younger and cheaper at that position rather than have Debo
Speaker 2: and Ayuk on the books in addition to all the
Speaker 2: other talented, expensive players they have.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think anything is possible with anything any
Speaker 3: of these people are saying in March, like anything is
Speaker 3: still out there as a possibility of someone.
Speaker 1: That's our job, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 3: But I don't so my cod My response is that
Speaker 3: I don't think that this is a specific there's some
Speaker 3: background suspicion here. I think I want to keep them.
Speaker 3: You're the Niners, like your super Bowl window is wide open.
Speaker 3: Like I'd say he was more important than Deebo Samuel
Speaker 3: for large chunks of last year. Became a true star
Speaker 3: and they waited a long time for that. So now
Speaker 3: you move on and hope that someone else you fill
Speaker 3: in the blank with, Like if.
Speaker 2: You drafted Brandon, you drafted Deebo Samuel, Right, they Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the only thing I'm just I'm thinking of from
Speaker 2: their perspective in a very rich wide receiver draft, if
Speaker 2: they would ever get a little.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing that they did say they wanted to
Speaker 3: re sign Deebo Samuel, and they did, and even with
Speaker 3: Jimmy g as messy as that got, they said, we'd
Speaker 3: like to make this work, and they did until it
Speaker 3: was completely over and they found another quarterback.
Speaker 1: But they haven't.
Speaker 3: If I think of Deebo went somewhere else, or story
Speaker 3: Guy A B or Seed, and then I would believe
Speaker 3: them a little less. I don't believe like Shanahan on
Speaker 3: half the stuff he says, but I think they Shanahan
Speaker 3: wants to keep his arguably best wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Of course John Lynch is going to say that he's
Speaker 4: not available until he is, but I think that he's
Speaker 4: going to want to keep him around. I've been in
Speaker 4: this social media rabbit hole though. That Brandon Ayuk. He
Speaker 4: was really I think he was on a Twitter break
Speaker 4: for a little while and then he got back in.
Speaker 4: He dipped his toes in the water, and now all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I'm looking at his ig store worries
Speaker 4: and if you guys saw it, it's just emojis where
Speaker 4: there's a cash sign someone talking, well.
Speaker 1: Looks we got to retire that one a cow. I
Speaker 1: think it's I.
Speaker 2: Think it sounds to retire Ayuk is on fire. It
Speaker 2: kind of is.
Speaker 4: You're not into it.
Speaker 2: It kind of just it had its Bothers made that one.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: What if he was a jet and that was part
Speaker 4: of the Jets situation, because.
Speaker 1: Everything would be different, right, it's always different.
Speaker 2: We love it and you're so shallow all your criticism
Speaker 2: easily diffused by just turning him into a jet. No,
Speaker 2: we could do better than Ayuk. We could do better
Speaker 2: for him. Let's find a new Ayuke drop how about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'll redd it. But listen, I have a
Speaker 4: delaware submissions and uh Ayuk submissions.
Speaker 1: Giving him a little too much homework made. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like they'll still deliver.
Speaker 1: I hope. I hope it gets traded. That would be exciting.
Speaker 2: It'll be interested to see that that that move and
Speaker 2: the team that that brings him in.
Speaker 1: That would be cool.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, well, so what do you think he
Speaker 3: would net in the trade now that we're in this
Speaker 3: new world, In the new world, like a low fourth
Speaker 3: it would be I.
Speaker 2: Would say he would he would bring back I would
Speaker 2: think it would be like a first round, but that's
Speaker 2: probably I would say bring back a third round pick third.
Speaker 1: I mean that is like that is with.
Speaker 3: The tax, with the internal secret we figured out, I
Speaker 3: would think easily a sex So I shouldn't argue it.
Speaker 3: I should say that sounds wised in unless it's first
Speaker 3: round pick we think, and then it's a second round
Speaker 3: pick tax.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 4: I think second, I would say second, I guess.
Speaker 2: We might find out. This would be the first big
Speaker 2: test of this idea.
Speaker 1: If it happens.
Speaker 4: Brave New World, all right.
Speaker 2: Let's see, by the way, thanks to Tracy Sandler on
Speaker 2: Instagram for that. In other news, Robert Kraft, Oh, by
Speaker 2: the way, let me frame it this way. I think
Speaker 2: I know who's the next figure to be found or
Speaker 2: not found, because they're buried under the mass Pike.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of them. Matthew Hamachik.
Speaker 2: He was the director of the ten part documentary series
Speaker 2: The Dynasty on Apple TV Plus.
Speaker 1: You heard like.
Speaker 2: Andrew Ciliano flowed it on the Around the AFC in
Speaker 2: forty eight minutes that he was surprised by how pointed
Speaker 2: it was at times, and what seemed to be criticism
Speaker 2: of Bill Belichick, who of course is no longer with
Speaker 2: the team, that became the only thing people really were
Speaker 2: talking about about this documentary is like, Wow, that was
Speaker 2: a little slanted pro ownership or anti Bill. Robert Kraft
Speaker 2: wants you to know that that was not his intention,
Speaker 2: and he feels like other Patriots that were involved with
Speaker 2: the project, perhaps duped by the nature of the doc
Speaker 2: short for documentary.
Speaker 10: Felt bad that there was so much emphasis on the
Speaker 10: more controversial and let's say challenging situations over the last
Speaker 10: twenty years. I wish they focus more on our Super
Speaker 10: Bowl wins, twenty one game win streak. You know, I
Speaker 10: felt bad. There were players who gave hours and hours
Speaker 10: of interviews and they felt only the negativity.
Speaker 1: So oh.
Speaker 10: Little disappointed that there wasn't more of a real positive approach.
Speaker 10: Oh special man, man.
Speaker 2: I think Robin is getting in that Jerry Jones flow
Speaker 2: where if you're transcribing a Jerry Jones quote, no need
Speaker 2: to stop the recorder, no point, just beautiful wight and type.
Speaker 3: Truly, how about this, don't speak on camera if you
Speaker 3: don't want it to be absolutely legally and rightfully used
Speaker 3: in a documentary. Documentary is not an in house hype film.
Speaker 3: It is meant to tell you a story, the good
Speaker 3: and the bad. And I kind of find this like
Speaker 3: a billionaire is unhappy with result of something. Well, you
Speaker 3: can't have your way all the time.
Speaker 4: Devin mccordy and Rodney Harrison both came out saying that
Speaker 4: they had done hours and hours and hours of interviews
Speaker 4: for this documentary, this docuseries, and the only things that
Speaker 4: were used were the negative things that they said. So yeah,
Speaker 4: that's how they felt.
Speaker 1: A little different.
Speaker 3: I get that, But like I guess part of it
Speaker 3: is like why are we talking about it because it
Speaker 3: was Newsy, Like if it was a bunch of people
Speaker 3: glowing over the twenty one game win streak and the
Speaker 3: Super Bowls, like we we all live that we've been there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel for McCardy if like you have,
Speaker 3: if you've given all this time.
Speaker 1: I get a little frustration. But it's like, filmmaker, want
Speaker 1: to sign up for do it this is? And I
Speaker 1: don't know. I haven't, I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 2: I'm uneducated on the topic, so I don't know. So
Speaker 2: is this was NFL Films. Is this an NFL Films.
Speaker 1: Project at all, because if it's not, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah they so if this was an outside project and
Speaker 2: new paper terms, if it bleeds, it leads.
Speaker 3: And that's all I'm saying is like I did see
Speaker 3: why they were attracted to that part of it.
Speaker 2: And we can act like if we're Robert Kraft, we
Speaker 2: could act disappointed that there was too much focus on
Speaker 2: the the the the last three or four years and
Speaker 2: how Bill Belichick and Craft went from the most powerful
Speaker 2: duo in football to estranged and separated. But that's an
Speaker 2: important like whether he I know it's called the dynasty,
Speaker 2: but if you're telling the story, you tell the story
Speaker 2: of how the dynasty ended it too and then be
Speaker 2: kind of becoming no longer on the same page.
Speaker 1: That's a big part of the story. Like so I
Speaker 1: don't know, I didn't want to.
Speaker 4: I've seen one episode and I actually really liked it, so.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't. I That's why I don't want to
Speaker 2: get too deep into it personally. But you kind of
Speaker 2: you got to expect people to focus on things like
Speaker 2: that because I mean the fact that and I've been
Speaker 2: hammering on this for for weeks and weeks on the show.
Speaker 2: The fact that Bill Belichick couldn't get a job, like
Speaker 2: he's just kind of a figure of fascination at this point.
Speaker 2: Like what happened from is it just because he's older,
Speaker 2: or is like what happened with Belichick within the ranks
Speaker 2: of the NFL to be in this place?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: Where did you watch the game?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: And I think like news should be something that you
Speaker 3: don't know versus something that we all know very well,
Speaker 3: and it should be something that probably is unpleasant to
Speaker 3: many people.
Speaker 2: All right, let's see, let's see, let's see the Lions.
Speaker 2: This was a weird story. Cam Sutton, cornerback of the Lions.
Speaker 2: He has been released from the team after he was
Speaker 2: involved with some legal trouble.
Speaker 1: There was a period of time.
Speaker 3: First of all was domestic battery by strangulation, that's the allegation.
Speaker 3: There was a period of time and this happened like
Speaker 3: you know, going into the weekend and stuff where no
Speaker 3: one seemed to know where he was. And then like
Speaker 3: the team president of the Lions, Rod Wood, admitted Monday
Speaker 3: that the day before the Lions released him that he
Speaker 3: was inside the team's facility and so you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know how all that marries up exactly with the
Speaker 3: quite wondering where he was. But that's why it's a
Speaker 3: It doesn't look great for the Lions, but they've released
Speaker 3: him and he's gone. He joined the Lines as an
Speaker 3: unrestricted free agent last summer after spending his first six
Speaker 3: seasons in the NFL with the Steelers, And we touched
Speaker 3: on this around the NFC Connie that the back end
Speaker 3: of their defense is a target for improvement and now
Speaker 3: setting out of the picture, that becomes even more of
Speaker 3: a glaring need for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now that's their heat. Their hand is forced when
Speaker 4: the draft comes around, and how they're going to kind
Speaker 4: of play this and just looking at some of the
Speaker 4: mock drafts that are out there right now, not to
Speaker 4: because I don't really want to focus too much on
Speaker 4: Cam Sutton, like I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 4: the details are, but they don't sound good whatsoever. So
Speaker 4: for the Lions, the fact that they're picking as high
Speaker 4: as they are, we haven't seen that in years and years.
Speaker 4: They have the twenty ninth pick in the upcoming draft,
Speaker 4: and for a lot of them like yeah, they they're
Speaker 4: probably gonna end up taking a corner. Maybe it's kool
Speaker 4: aid McKinstry, maybe they take an edge, but I think
Speaker 4: for them it would be really prudent to beef up
Speaker 4: that secondary now that they lose Cam Sutton.
Speaker 2: And finally in the news, we're gonna do a little
Speaker 2: speed round. But last item here, they did it.
Speaker 4: What happened?
Speaker 1: The NFL did it? What they do.
Speaker 2: I knew they were gonna do it, and they've done it.
Speaker 2: The NFL has defeated Days. NFL won Days zero game over.
Speaker 2: You thought that as big as a ratings hit the
Speaker 2: NFL on Christmas was after they came for the NBA's
Speaker 2: throat and stumped it, that they would say, well, we
Speaker 2: got to wait a few years until it syncs up
Speaker 2: with the calendar, because obviously can't play a football game
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, can't play an NFL game in the middle
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 1: Right course, be contreur.
Speaker 2: It will continue in twenty twenty four with two matchups
Speaker 2: on the schedule, despite the holiday falling on a Wednesday.
Speaker 2: It was announced matchups for the games, which will include
Speaker 2: teams that played on the previous Saturday to account for
Speaker 2: their recovery window, have yet to be determined. I am
Speaker 2: sure those teams are going to be thrilled to learn
Speaker 2: they have playing on a Saturday on a short week
Speaker 2: and then have a turnaround.
Speaker 1: Enjoy your Christmas. You got a game on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: No, anyway, this is all of obviously, because the three
Speaker 2: games played on Christmas Day twenty twenty three did massive ratings.
Speaker 2: In fact, ESPN's Ravens Niners telecast that Gnarley Niners blowout
Speaker 2: had over twenty seven million viewers, making it the second
Speaker 2: high second most watched Monday night football game since nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six, almost thirty years when TV was a totally
Speaker 2: different thing.
Speaker 1: Good job yours.
Speaker 2: So there it is. NFL one Day's zero got them.
Speaker 1: It's well, it's saying so predictable.
Speaker 3: Here's what the scheduling tick that concerns me, because you know,
Speaker 3: you get into late December and these four teams that
Speaker 3: might have looked like we're gonna combine them for incredible
Speaker 3: matchups back in April, like you know, the three of
Speaker 3: them could be roadkilled by then with like the third
Speaker 3: quarterback plane and we have to see them in Island
Speaker 3: games two weeks in a row. But beyond that, I
Speaker 3: think we made the prediction that they were going to
Speaker 3: find a way to have games on like May Day,
Speaker 3: and I think we're only a couple of weeks from
Speaker 3: that happening for weeks years, please.
Speaker 4: Man, most every day of the week. Why not. It
Speaker 4: was like during the pandemic, we did it so and
Speaker 4: what great times they were. Tuesday night football, Wednesday night football.
Speaker 4: Let's just keep going.
Speaker 3: But everyone digs this except people working football, and so
Speaker 3: most people were probably shut up.
Speaker 4: I will say like this past year, on Christmas Day,
Speaker 4: I wasn't working because I worked Christmas Eve, and I
Speaker 4: went to a friend's house who big Niners fans, the
Speaker 4: whole family, and we sat at this big, long table
Speaker 4: and they had a projector on the wall and the
Speaker 4: hearth and every and it was so it felt right
Speaker 4: like it was nice to sit around and watch the
Speaker 4: Niners lose with Niners face.
Speaker 3: All right, eightclck delights kind of you cunny, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: hope you're invited back.
Speaker 2: Saints tackle Ryan Ramcheck, his knee issue, could miss the
Speaker 2: entire twenty twenty four season. The in season hard knocks
Speaker 2: could feature four teams from the same division.
Speaker 1: Huh okay, you lov uh yeah.
Speaker 4: Further for Ramcheck, I mean, and the Saints they have
Speaker 4: so many needs, they have so many holes on that roster,
Speaker 4: and now they're probably going to have to draft a
Speaker 4: tackle right away because of Ramcheck.
Speaker 2: Damian Harris, the running back veteran running back retires. He's
Speaker 2: only twenty seven, I believe, and he had some really
Speaker 2: nice years with the Pats, went to the Bills, suffered
Speaker 2: a pretty serious injury.
Speaker 1: Now he steps away from the game.
Speaker 2: The Browns are looking to extend their GM and head
Speaker 2: coach Barry and Stefanski and maybe be building a dome.
Speaker 1: Mark what's going on there?
Speaker 3: Well, they absolutely want to either take their current stadium
Speaker 3: and make massive renovations to it. But the Haslams talked
Speaker 3: about a dome which had been floated in the past.
Speaker 1: Well, the Bills are doing it right.
Speaker 3: I don't as a you know, a longtime Brown's follower,
Speaker 3: I'd like them to play in the mud and the snow.
Speaker 1: What else advantage do they have?
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel, Miami has made it off or to Odell Beckham,
Speaker 2: Woody Johnson. If we don't trade Zach, we're going to
Speaker 2: keep them. They're backpedaling on that one. They're eyeing Ja
Speaker 2: Davian Clowney and the Bears and Texans will play the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame game starting off the season.
Speaker 1: Kanye, I just saw.
Speaker 4: The Odell Beckham junior Kim Kardashian broke up.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they I didn't know either. I feel
Speaker 1: like what I should What is up with that Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 2: She's always in the news like she'd want to go
Speaker 2: to Miami every ant with someone paining her way, although.
Speaker 1: She's probably way richer than him.
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, ten times, let's take a break
Speaker 2: and we'll do some investigating.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Sometimes getting to the bottom of a mystery requires you to.
Speaker 11: Get your hands dirty, work in the shadows, turnover rocks.
Speaker 11: But we're never meant to be turned over, and that's
Speaker 11: why it's time to go full Signetti on the top
Speaker 11: ten of the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: Mark. You asked, what is full Signetti mean?
Speaker 3: I mean, I can only imagine he's been on some
Speaker 3: tough cases in the past. He's unearthed some problematic human scenarios.
Speaker 3: This one seems broadreaching.
Speaker 4: I've been wondering where he's been Frank Signetti.
Speaker 2: I did a little investigating of old Frank Frank the
Speaker 2: tank Signetti. How long we've been mentioning this man in
Speaker 2: the show a decade, the offensive coordinator of the then.
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Rams.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and fifteen, he was the OC and
Speaker 2: then bounced around in different position rooms for the Giants
Speaker 2: Packers Boston College. He recently got let go by Pitt
Speaker 2: in the colleging. So he's you know, he's been on
Speaker 2: a lot of different investigations.
Speaker 1: It's a hard scrabble detective.
Speaker 2: We always thought that Frank Signetti private eye, So why
Speaker 2: don't we get our full Signetti on and figure out
Speaker 2: this draft the top of it.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I would love that, you know, Signetti, he's been
Speaker 4: working a lot of cases, a lot of cold cases,
Speaker 4: and I mean the nights, the weekends, the hours that
Speaker 4: he spends and his dedication to his craft is just
Speaker 4: I haven't seen anything like it. So whenever I have
Speaker 4: an issue, a question, I need a little PI work,
Speaker 4: I always go straight to the source. I go right
Speaker 4: to Signetti.
Speaker 3: I'd say he's pretty teflon too, and he's he's resilient
Speaker 3: because I'm looking at the most recent headline about him
Speaker 3: that I can find. Yeah, what went wrong in the
Speaker 3: Frank Signetti junior era at pitt so's he's got to
Speaker 3: lead a double life.
Speaker 1: He's got to be.
Speaker 3: Willing for these things to fail because his time becomes
Speaker 3: too absorbed in these cases.
Speaker 1: They pull him in and they're asking questions in Western Pa.
Speaker 1: But guess what. Frank just slips into the shadows and
Speaker 1: he's gone, who's that guy?
Speaker 9: The trench coat gone, never saw him, and the fedora gone.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into it. So we're gonna get
Speaker 2: our signetti on here. We're gonna and what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Because it seems pretty nebulos? What does it mean? What
Speaker 2: does it mean? We each split We split up the
Speaker 2: top ten of this draft because we can go one
Speaker 2: through thirty two, but you can go anywhere for that.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows those first ten picks, and then just in
Speaker 2: addition to just being the most high profile picks of
Speaker 2: a draft, they kind of set the tone for the
Speaker 2: rest of the draft board. So we each split it
Speaker 2: up and based on everything that's out there, all the reporting,
Speaker 2: anybody you've talked to, any again, rocks that were turned over,
Speaker 2: any meetings and diners where you know the thing you do.
Speaker 2: One guy sits in the booth one way and the
Speaker 2: other guys sitting in the other booth and they either
Speaker 2: slide a bag across the floor and the other guy leaves,
Speaker 2: or they just have full on conversations with the menus
Speaker 2: in front of them like.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. Yeah, that's stuff we do. I have
Speaker 1: a skill set, Yeah, to learn.
Speaker 2: That's where you meet big time parking garage exactly, always
Speaker 2: not well lit.
Speaker 4: At all, subterranean level, gotta go all the way down.
Speaker 2: And you know, cigarette smoking continues to be on the decline,
Speaker 2: but you have to sometimes pick up the old nicotine stick.
Speaker 1: You need it.
Speaker 4: Pack and darts. Gotta pack and darts.
Speaker 1: So let's get to it.
Speaker 2: I'll get it going with this investigation doesn't need a signetti.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest. This number one overall pick Watergate scenario.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows that the Bears are going to take Caleb
Speaker 2: Williams with the number one overall pick, and I should
Speaker 2: just so we're not going to dwell on this because
Speaker 2: we've got the Bears coming up later and I'll do
Speaker 2: a little deep dive on that, which is certainly more intriguing.
Speaker 2: But I do think it's just notable that and some
Speaker 2: teams are like this in these type of.
Speaker 1: Drafts where we all know who's going number one.
Speaker 2: But in many instances teams are still needlessly cloak and
Speaker 2: dagger about it.
Speaker 1: Sure that's not the Bears.
Speaker 2: They they're talking openly about Williams, you know, going to
Speaker 2: his pro day and and and speaking on him, and
Speaker 2: you know, not even trying to be cute about the
Speaker 2: Justin Fields thing. They're like once they granted they didn't
Speaker 2: maybe get the most value they could with Fields, but
Speaker 2: they made it a point to clear the path for
Speaker 2: this rookie to come in and be the guy with
Speaker 2: no distractions and of course build up a real nice
Speaker 2: infrastructure around him. So Caleb Williams of USC will be
Speaker 2: the first pick. And I don't really maybe I failed
Speaker 2: it in my Signetti tasked to do any more diving
Speaker 2: in this one. But sometimes you got to know when
Speaker 2: to stop turning over rocks and just be like it's
Speaker 2: staring right at you.
Speaker 3: Don't want to get too cute. But maybe maybe others
Speaker 3: might not be able to see what you've seen. But
Speaker 3: Frank Signetti suss this out with no issues, and there's
Speaker 3: not a lot good job around it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Signetti's time is precious. If he knows the answer,
Speaker 4: He's moving on to the next case.
Speaker 1: Colleen, does he know the answer?
Speaker 2: I like now that we've had a subtle shift in
Speaker 2: the seg and now we are Frank Signetti and I
Speaker 2: like this. Okay, So Frank tell us about the Washington
Speaker 2: Commanders at number two.
Speaker 1: What are you hearing? What have you learned?
Speaker 4: Well, what I've done here is I put a tail
Speaker 4: on this Peters guy. Adam Peters mark the new GM
Speaker 4: his nineteen eighty nine black Lincoln Continental with the maroon
Speaker 4: crush velvet interior, moonroof eight track player. It was on
Speaker 4: my radar immediately. I knew that something was up. Where
Speaker 4: was he going in this car, where was he parking?
Speaker 4: What was he using it for? And he was using
Speaker 4: it to check out these quarterbacks because there's no doubt
Speaker 4: in my mind that the Commanders will be taking a quarterback.
Speaker 4: The question is which one Caleb Farley going to be
Speaker 4: off the board? That's fine, But this draft, it starts
Speaker 4: at too with Adam Peters, and he's got to get
Speaker 4: this right. New organization, new owner, new times, new quarterbacks
Speaker 4: got to come through. And when they got rid of
Speaker 4: Sam Howell, I felt like that was a very interesting
Speaker 4: shift because most mock draft out there have the commanders
Speaker 4: taking Jaden Daniels. Most people right now talking about the
Speaker 4: commanders and surrounding the commander's organization seemed pretty pretty steady
Speaker 4: on Jadeen Daniels, the Heisman winner. That's the most popular pick,
Speaker 4: and it would go well with their offensive coordinator, their
Speaker 4: new one there, Cliff Kingsbury, because it's the same type
Speaker 4: of quarterback that he had in Arizona with Kyler Murray. However,
Speaker 4: the pell Raiser, I wouldn't normally out my sources like this,
Speaker 4: but pel Raiser came right out and said it himself.
Speaker 4: So I'll let you guys know what he said. And
Speaker 4: he said that of all of the decision makers he
Speaker 4: was talking to at the owners meetings, they think that
Speaker 4: Washington will go JJ.
Speaker 1: McCarthy So, oh that would shake it up.
Speaker 4: Okay, is this legitimate? Is it a smoke screen? It
Speaker 4: is a classic smoke screen season right now. So you
Speaker 4: got to watch your back. You don't know who's giving
Speaker 4: you bad information, who's an actual narc I mean, you
Speaker 4: have to really wait what you're hearing and triple source
Speaker 4: check everything every time. But in this line of work
Speaker 4: sometimes you don't have that luxury. So when the commanders
Speaker 4: sent Sam Howell to Seattle. That made me think and
Speaker 4: made me believe that they will be drafting Drake May
Speaker 4: because Drake May and Sam Howell were best friends, former
Speaker 4: UNC teammates. Interesting that was one of May's best friends,
Speaker 4: his mentor, they obviously played together. So it felt real
Speaker 4: spicy when the commanders, who for all of these years
Speaker 4: stood by their man Sam Howell, and then right before
Speaker 4: the draft send him back into Seattle. Got to get
Speaker 4: yas that's rich.
Speaker 3: That's a rich bit of evidence right there, that Jeremiah
Speaker 3: kat Yeah, he's.
Speaker 4: I got some of him, I got some stuff on him.
Speaker 1: Going to be trusted, I don't know. On the outside,
Speaker 1: he appears to be of high care.
Speaker 4: Squeak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they call him the wholesome assassin. He's got Drake
Speaker 2: May going there as well. And if that is indeed
Speaker 2: what happens, and it is Caleb Williams and Drake May
Speaker 2: one two that takes us to the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: And I'm hit to this.
Speaker 2: Mark Sessler cap He's all over this.
Speaker 3: This was a fortress for many many years in England.
Speaker 3: And you know, Bill Belichick was a person that allowed
Speaker 3: no other sources in the building because he essentially played
Speaker 3: all the roles himself and anyone that did investigate too
Speaker 3: far into going bye bye yep, were you an innocent
Speaker 3: little ball boy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they even have this is a true story at
Speaker 2: Patriots headquarters. They have a backo that has the Pat's
Speaker 2: logo on it that they used to break ground and
Speaker 2: bury people.
Speaker 3: Openly because that was a again, it was a fortress,
Speaker 3: and like.
Speaker 2: You know, the States were in their back pocket. There
Speaker 2: was there's I mean to different era.
Speaker 1: They're bought off all theses.
Speaker 2: That directed that documentary will be another test case of
Speaker 2: the might of the Patriot way.
Speaker 3: Signettian friends see something different right now though what they say.
Speaker 3: I see that the walls of the forgers have willingly
Speaker 3: and openly come down to some degree, and what would
Speaker 3: have been a monumental investigation for me looks at it
Speaker 3: looks to me just to be a situation with multiple
Speaker 3: unknown final solutions. But I'm going to guide you to
Speaker 3: what I think will happen here. Take us DRAWD Mayo
Speaker 3: has been we don't need a triple source when d
Speaker 3: Mayo is telling you things himself. And I think here's
Speaker 3: the difference between DRAWD Mayo and eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Percent of the coaches out there.
Speaker 3: He's openly said, I don't know how good of a
Speaker 3: he said, I don't know how good of a head
Speaker 3: coach you'll be.
Speaker 1: I don't know if my general manager can do it.
Speaker 1: We don't know yet.
Speaker 3: And he said basically, look, I we are still a
Speaker 3: team that needs so many things. They need offensive tackle,
Speaker 3: wide receiver, quarterback, running back, defense. So priority is quarterback
Speaker 3: to get one. But he has talked highly about Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 3: And I think this is a team because they need
Speaker 3: so much and he's asked for patients that they want
Speaker 3: to create the environment where they can grow with maybe
Speaker 3: multiple draft picks. And I think that because of what
Speaker 3: happens at number two, again, the future is somewhat of
Speaker 3: an unknown element.
Speaker 4: A beautiful mystery. Aaron Rodgers would absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think that trading down.
Speaker 3: Might be their preference because I think then the Patriots
Speaker 3: they have Jacoby Brissett, can get you through this season
Speaker 3: and you could acquire multiple draft picks and start to
Speaker 3: rebuild a team that lacks weapons all over the place.
Speaker 3: And I think he's very open to that. This is
Speaker 3: not a one person operation. I'm leaning in that direction
Speaker 3: right now overtaking the third quarterback in the draft that
Speaker 3: they may not be in love with.
Speaker 2: All right, So and your study of the reporting around
Speaker 2: the team indicates at willingness to do that. Now my
Speaker 2: question that I'd have for Signetti and his associates the
Speaker 2: Patriots have the stomach to potentially pass on an instant
Speaker 2: game changer at three when we know, ay, moving back,
Speaker 2: however far you move back, gives you less of a
Speaker 2: chance of addressing that position effectively.
Speaker 1: And b we already know there's not a lot of.
Speaker 2: Hype around the Cats at the quarterback position next year,
Speaker 2: so this they It's hard for me to imagine that
Speaker 2: the Pats are going to look this opportunity in the
Speaker 2: eye and say we're gonna build the roster in a
Speaker 2: different way.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to take a swing here. I
Speaker 1: really feel that.
Speaker 3: So I think it's not it's a possibility, But I
Speaker 3: do think this that they just parted ways with a
Speaker 3: very high, highly drafted quarterback, and I believe they want
Speaker 3: to create a better environment for who they bring in.
Speaker 3: And I'm not worried about next year's draft class, and
Speaker 3: I don't think they are yet. If it was anyone
Speaker 3: who would be Jade and Daniels, but you've got to
Speaker 3: see who falls them. I don't think it can be
Speaker 3: the just the third guy they like off the board.
Speaker 4: Unless it's JJ McCarthy and they go ahead.
Speaker 3: With that would fit quarterback. I don't think he's going
Speaker 3: to be there, I agree with I think he may
Speaker 3: go number two.
Speaker 1: Actually that factor.
Speaker 2: Didn't and then see the Patriots then passing on the
Speaker 2: presume number two pick, that would be a whole ton
Speaker 2: of guts and it would leave them wide open for
Speaker 2: second guessing. I'll just say this. You mentioned they took
Speaker 2: a big swing on mac Jones. That was you know,
Speaker 2: it was a first round pick, but it's a fifteenth
Speaker 2: overall pick. So now they're living up in the in
Speaker 2: the penthouse of the draft at number three. And when's
Speaker 2: the last time the Patriots have been up there with
Speaker 2: a chance to take a quarterback. We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I'm not refuting anything Signetti and his people.
Speaker 3: I would say, unlike the Chicago report and maybe even
Speaker 3: the Washington that the Patriots are the first like they
Speaker 3: could go A or B and we need more time
Speaker 3: in this investigation to some degree, which.
Speaker 1: Takes us to the Cardinals. What are they saying six.
Speaker 3: The Cardinals control the entire draft in my opinion, because
Speaker 3: we get it like we're running out of quarterbacks at
Speaker 3: number four and the Cardinals. I was looking this up
Speaker 3: and mentioned this before the show, and this is what
Speaker 3: creates the conundrum in our investigation. They need a wide receiver,
Speaker 3: they need an edge rusher, they need a cornerback. They
Speaker 3: need defensive line, they need offensive tackles. They need interior
Speaker 3: offensive line. That's your entire offensive line. They need linebackers,
Speaker 3: running backs, quarterbacks, a quarterback, tight end, safety, punter, kicker,
Speaker 3: and long snapper.
Speaker 1: I agree with everything you just said, except for quarterback.
Speaker 3: That's well, take a backup quarterback, but that was rucially,
Speaker 3: that's deep down the list.
Speaker 1: But crucially, SIGs, that's deep down.
Speaker 2: They don't need a quarterback, which is what I think
Speaker 2: what you're getting at here.
Speaker 3: They don't need a quarterback. But look at their wide
Speaker 3: receiver room right now. Michael Wilson, good number two developmental guy,
Speaker 3: maybe two point three, Greg dertsch Zach Pascal. You have
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior sitting there, and I think what Cardinals
Speaker 3: fans want for Kyler Murray and what they want for
Speaker 3: their team after that, you know, unlike not only like others.
Speaker 3: They passed on Adrian Peterson back on the day, they
Speaker 3: passed on Terrell Suggs back in the day. These are
Speaker 3: like arrows that stick in Cardinals psyche going way back.
Speaker 3: And so now the bloodline of Marvin Harrison is dropping
Speaker 3: to you at number four, presumably. And yet I my
Speaker 3: investigation tells me that GM monteasen Fort, just like last year,
Speaker 3: is very willing for a team with all those needs
Speaker 3: yes to trade down. And this is where I think
Speaker 3: the trade down happens. And this is where I believe
Speaker 3: that the Denver Broncos. It was Sean Payton who called
Speaker 3: monte ausen Fort one of the luckiest guys around and
Speaker 3: realistically saying that this is where someone.
Speaker 1: You stepping on your mock draft, Mark, be careful here
Speaker 1: stepping on my own mock draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is that's Frank Signetti.
Speaker 1: I think they are.
Speaker 3: I think this because this is where if it does
Speaker 3: and I believe I think Trey activity is going to
Speaker 3: be wild in the first five picks.
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots could be doing it.
Speaker 3: But if the Broncos, for instance, can get a better
Speaker 3: offer from the Cardinals and don't believe the Patriots would
Speaker 3: take their quarterback. But that's danger zone. I think the
Speaker 3: Cardinals are trading the pick down, okay, And there's a
Speaker 3: number of people, the Vikings, the Broncos that could trade up.
Speaker 3: I really think the Vikings are love it here.
Speaker 1: I love where you're coming from, Connie or Frank new
Speaker 1: what Frank three point zero makes so.
Speaker 2: Much sense because that's the point I was trying to
Speaker 2: make was that if they were a team that needed
Speaker 2: a quarterback and they're in the top five, take a
Speaker 2: swing at a quarterback or even move up to get
Speaker 2: a quarterback you want. But they have this ability to
Speaker 2: build the team with high level picks and trading out
Speaker 2: of that spot to accumulate make they make so much sense.
Speaker 2: And getting the best wide receiver on the on the board. Also,
Speaker 2: you couldn't kill them for it, but they could still
Speaker 2: get a big time wide receiver in addition to multiple
Speaker 2: extra first picks, including potential first round picks.
Speaker 4: But you could kill them for drafting a wide receiver
Speaker 4: in that spot because this draft is so stacked, so
Speaker 4: deep with wide receiver point into it. So with all
Speaker 4: of those needs that they have, trade down you're still
Speaker 4: going to get an incredible wide receiver and some other
Speaker 4: amazing blue chip players unless.
Speaker 2: They see that wide receiver and so we're all like
Speaker 2: in lockstep that it feels like an offensive skilled player here.
Speaker 1: They're so in love with him. They see them as
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame talent.
Speaker 2: If they see like another Larry Fitzgerald on the board,
Speaker 2: in their opinion, maybe how can you kill them if
Speaker 2: they if they're that strong and that feeling it they're again,
Speaker 2: because that could change that whole organization and give Kyler
Speaker 2: a reboot. Interesting yep, Alien and Signetti here we go. Okay,
Speaker 2: another interesting team. I'd love to know what you what
Speaker 2: you've seen, what you've heard, who you're talking to?
Speaker 1: Back to back diner stuff. Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 4: So many diners. I've been to so many diners, so
Speaker 4: many years. Actually investigating this team, it seems like they
Speaker 4: always have a nose for trouble. They're always getting themselves
Speaker 4: into these situations and following them over the years. It's
Speaker 4: like they can't get out of their own way. So
Speaker 4: this time, though, it feels different. It feels like they
Speaker 4: got to get this draft right with Jim Harball there
Speaker 4: now because he might have Joe Horretz sleeping with the
Speaker 4: fishes if this does not pan out correctly, if this
Speaker 4: first round pick, which I mean that is the most crucial,
Speaker 4: crucial one, and I feel like there's been plenty of
Speaker 4: clues as far as what they might do, but a
Speaker 4: real breakthrough at the owner's meetings when Jim Harball was
Speaker 4: talking about that fifth pick and how excited he was
Speaker 4: to have it, and he said, hey, if four quarterbacks
Speaker 4: don't go in a row, he said, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: maybe there's still another quarterback where we are when the
Speaker 4: fifth pick comes around, somebody wants to and then stopped himself.
Speaker 4: So again, that'd be like having the number one pick
Speaker 4: for us. But seems like he wants to trade down,
Speaker 4: and if he does, plenty of options here. You can
Speaker 4: acquire picks from a quarterback desperate team. You can get
Speaker 4: a wide receiver, because look at their current wide receiver group,
Speaker 4: I mean, Quinton Johnson, Josh Palmer, Darius Davis Faoco. This
Speaker 4: is not Keenan Allen and Mike Williams anymore. They're gone.
Speaker 1: They stripped the entire cupboard.
Speaker 4: That's it. Yeah, So maybe they do end up getting
Speaker 4: a Marvin Harrison Junior, if the Cardinals opt to trade
Speaker 4: out of that spot. I mean, Harball knows him well
Speaker 4: from coaching at Michigan, having to face Ohio State so
Speaker 4: many times, and what Marvin Harrison did to him and
Speaker 4: his teams at Michigan wasn't good. But also, maybe he
Speaker 4: goes Joe Alt. Maybe he gets the best offensive tackle
Speaker 4: out there, gives someone that can protect Justin Herbert after
Speaker 4: all of the injuries that we've seen from Herbert over
Speaker 4: the years, plus the run game that Jim Harball is
Speaker 4: absolutely in love with. Maybe he goes with someone up front.
Speaker 4: But I could also see them grabbing a tight end
Speaker 4: this high because Rock Bowers one of the most talented ever.
Speaker 4: And in the AFC West where the Chargers are and
Speaker 4: they're constantly playing the Chiefs and looking at a guy
Speaker 4: like Travis Kelce. You have George Kittle out there who
Speaker 4: played in the Super Bowl as well. Tight Ends are
Speaker 4: different now and this guy can catch, he can run, block,
Speaker 4: he can do it all. He's a good route runner
Speaker 4: as well. So Jim Harball loves a good tight end.
Speaker 4: And that's one right there.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, And this is the team with serious history
Speaker 2: at the tight end position Kellen Winslow senior Tonio Gates.
Speaker 2: That would be a Stunn this one to me. Signetti
Speaker 2: really screams to me, and bad coffee and run down the.
Speaker 4: Wrong there's no cream, there's no sugar.
Speaker 1: Screams to me.
Speaker 2: Alt The tackle that aligns with what Harbor is looking
Speaker 2: to do. Is anything you're reading seeing anywhere about JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy the quarterback.
Speaker 4: No Harb, No Harball has Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: I know, but what if what if? Well, in that
Speaker 1: case you that would break the case wide open.
Speaker 3: Well, and we have discussed the discussed little whispers on
Speaker 3: this front before that, or maybe they were self created
Speaker 3: whispers on just you know, trying to try possibilities.
Speaker 2: Isn't it just weird the timing of it all that
Speaker 2: you would think Harball is kind of an intense dude
Speaker 2: that just spent all these years at Michigan, and maybe
Speaker 2: he loves that kid and it just so happens.
Speaker 1: That he's there.
Speaker 3: If that's how you felt, I think what you have
Speaker 3: to do is find a way to make a blockbuster
Speaker 3: franchise alter in trade of Justin Herbert to one of
Speaker 3: the teams above you, because JJ is not going to
Speaker 3: be there at number five that all we have, every
Speaker 3: clue in the book is telling us that he is
Speaker 3: like one of the He is someone that is not
Speaker 3: going to be available.
Speaker 1: You have a clue book. I feel like that would
Speaker 1: be helpful. Can I get that?
Speaker 3: Can I read the tea leaves are burning? And like I,
Speaker 3: JJ is long gone by then. So that would make
Speaker 3: the Chargers, who seem like a trade down candidate, have
Speaker 3: to trade.
Speaker 2: And I know Chargers fans are screaming like, don't even
Speaker 2: bring this up.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But that's what we got to do because we're we're
Speaker 2: outside the mainstream right now. You have to think you're
Speaker 2: in the underground way and we're just wondering about that.
Speaker 1: That's right. So a tight end, maybe a tackle.
Speaker 3: Wide receiver, wide receiver, maybe the biggest trade of the
Speaker 3: last fourteen years.
Speaker 2: That would shake things up, really would. Let's take a
Speaker 2: break and we'll hit the rest of the back. Take
Speaker 2: that base for a walk.
Speaker 1: Hey, Joe, come in slow on the high hat Billy
Speaker 1: Bob article their ivories, they saying, make that horn sing.
Speaker 1: I feel uncomfortable. Number six, All right, number six.
Speaker 4: We got the giants. All right, I've been up here
Speaker 4: all over the Jersey Turnpike, up and down that drive.
Speaker 4: It's a lonely drive, it's a grueling drive. But it's
Speaker 4: time to really go over the clues, the cold cases,
Speaker 4: the various hunches you might have. You just got time
Speaker 4: time to think to yourself.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's the worst thing to do all alone with
Speaker 2: your own thoughts.
Speaker 4: But it's all part of the investigation, all part of
Speaker 4: the job. And part of that was to hear what
Speaker 4: John Marra had to say about Joe Shane and Brian
Speaker 4: Aball going into year three together at the owner's meetings.
Speaker 4: That's what I needed to hear.
Speaker 1: What did the big man say?
Speaker 4: Well, John Marra came out and said, if Joe Shane
Speaker 4: and Brian Abell have conviction on a quarterback at the
Speaker 4: top of the draft, he supports going in to get him.
Speaker 4: He's still confident in Daniel Jones, but says, why not
Speaker 4: bring in someone to compete and let the best man win.
Speaker 4: He also said that it's ridiculous the Giants haven't fixed
Speaker 4: their offensive line after all these years, so I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe one of these could be a red herring, you
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought it was very notable that the big Man
Speaker 2: Mara seemingly gave the green light to make the move.
Speaker 2: A make a move on QB.
Speaker 4: Exactly because one would think, all right, on the surface,
Speaker 4: you're gonna go wide receiver, you don't have any Maybe
Speaker 4: go ah Molik neighbors just like Odell. You get a
Speaker 4: wide receiver one from LSU. Repeat history a little bit.
Speaker 4: They haven't had a one thousand yard receiver since they
Speaker 4: traded away Odell. But I just don't I don't know
Speaker 4: if that. I don't feel that is the correct way
Speaker 4: that they're gonna go. They could go Joe Walt again
Speaker 4: there if he's still on the board and fix that
Speaker 4: offensive line, but that doesn't feel right either. I think
Speaker 4: what ends up happening. I think the Giants they don't
Speaker 4: they don't draft a quarterback at where they are.
Speaker 1: They move up their move another trade.
Speaker 12: We've got I think six teams, but I think they
Speaker 12: move up with the Patriots, and I think that they
Speaker 12: take Drake May at three, and that's what ends up happening, and.
Speaker 1: That could dig it.
Speaker 3: That lines up with what I've been feeling and hearing
Speaker 3: about the Patriots based on the whispers.
Speaker 1: Really well, that's what I tell me more two Francs.
Speaker 3: The Patriots were candidates to trade down and you got
Speaker 3: the Giants, These two Patriots, these two teams feel kind
Speaker 3: of linked to And I think maraa Maa is basically
Speaker 3: saying I'd be.
Speaker 1: Open to it.
Speaker 3: But anyone wise enough knows that you're not getting that
Speaker 3: guy at number six, So you've got to do something different.
Speaker 3: And I think Daniel Jones, no matter what they say
Speaker 3: with their pretty little words, is yesterday's news in the Meadowlands.
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans at number seven.
Speaker 3: I was told by our friend Chris Westling that the
Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans were in the Midwest. As I steered my
Speaker 3: vehicle down through the country. I don't fly, I just
Speaker 3: like to I just kind of whind the car down
Speaker 3: to think to process.
Speaker 4: Do you have like a Maddenmobile?
Speaker 3: It's an old beat up JEALOPPI and I switch cars
Speaker 3: every three months. Smart and I they come from parts
Speaker 3: on now.
Speaker 2: And he got a whole trunk full of license plate.
Speaker 2: Cell phone, Yes, what's what's the cell phone?
Speaker 4: Don't have one.
Speaker 3: Tennessee in my in my world is in the South.
Speaker 3: So I saw that investigation for myself. You know, Signetti
Speaker 3: is fifty eight years old. When we used to talk
Speaker 3: about him, he was in his late forties. But he's
Speaker 3: got a lot on his plate and he's humble enough
Speaker 3: to get help sometimes. Because my investigation of the Titans,
Speaker 3: here's a team that new coaching staff hired a bunch
Speaker 3: of parts off the free agency list. Calvin Ridley, Tony Pollard.
Speaker 3: These aren't they don't blow me away, but they still
Speaker 3: have one burning knee. They were the worst offensive line
Speaker 3: arguably in football over the last two seasons. And this
Speaker 3: is where I believe because the Giants are going to
Speaker 3: do what we think before. Here sits your left tackle, Joealt.
Speaker 3: But I like to lean on some of my best sources,
Speaker 3: and I had someone who was willing to go on
Speaker 3: the record.
Speaker 1: Directly, and here it is. What's up, Fellas Grave Digger.
Speaker 13: Here I want to give my take on what the
Speaker 13: Titans will do in the top ten of the draft
Speaker 13: this year. Look, there is no secret they need a
Speaker 13: left tackle. They've addressed many of their needs in free agency.
Speaker 13: Still have a big hole it inside linebacker. Probably need
Speaker 13: a safety, probably need someone else on the d line.
Speaker 13: You're not taking that in the first round. I don't
Speaker 13: think if Joe Alt the tackle out of Notre Dame
Speaker 13: is on the board, I think you write it an ink,
Speaker 13: he is the Titans pick. If he's not there, maybe
Speaker 13: they look to go Dallas Turner on the edge. Maybe
Speaker 13: they look at the second best tackle, someone like Olufashanu.
Speaker 13: There's reports that they love JC Latham. I think the
Speaker 13: Titans have to get a tackle here. Ran Karthun recently
Speaker 13: said it's a deep tackle class. There will be guys
Speaker 13: available throughout the draft, but I don't know if you
Speaker 13: can risk it. You gotta find out. If will Lovis
Speaker 13: is the guy. They've done a great job surrounding him
Speaker 13: with pieces and weapons, building up that defense, trading for
Speaker 13: Lagarious Need. The last missing piece here is a stalwart
Speaker 13: left tackle. If Joe alt is on the board at seven,
Speaker 13: I think he is the Titans pick.
Speaker 1: I'm hip to that cat.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you one more thing about the grave digger.
Speaker 2: That Titans helmet moves real quick and circles behind.
Speaker 4: Him, just spinning around, spinning.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's on that beat, and he's been on
Speaker 1: it for a long time. As the wrong side of
Speaker 1: the tracks.
Speaker 4: That was a thorough autopsy that he did on the
Speaker 4: on the Titans.
Speaker 1: He is the grave. He's got he's doing a lot
Speaker 1: of different jobs.
Speaker 4: He has his fingerprints on everything.
Speaker 2: The post mortem side of things makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: You know what else makes sense?
Speaker 1: At number eight? What the Falcons?
Speaker 4: What they have going on?
Speaker 2: One of one of our favorite draft tropes, teams who
Speaker 2: draft all on one side of the ba all to
Speaker 2: make a point, the Falcons could be one of those
Speaker 2: teams this year on the defensive side. The quandary they
Speaker 2: face and in my h.
Speaker 1: My conversations and my research, in my.
Speaker 2: Fearless ability to just go to places other people fear.
Speaker 4: To tread train tracks, you're going across them.
Speaker 1: Right across those tracks.
Speaker 2: They're a trained common not even checking, doesn't matter, doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: you're concerned.
Speaker 1: Kind of would be my concervative. Went at the wrong moment,
Speaker 1: you'd find out a second too late.
Speaker 4: The train stops for signetti. Signetti doesn't stop for the train.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope it stops. I hope Frank makes anyway.
Speaker 2: The quandary they face is whether to take the sure
Speaker 2: thing quote unquote. At number eight, and and let's let's
Speaker 2: be serious about this. The draft board is set up
Speaker 2: beautifully for this team because because of their needs, which
Speaker 2: on the other side of the football where at the
Speaker 2: top of this draft is living and they are set
Speaker 2: at quarterback, and they have the quarterback, they have the
Speaker 2: wide receiver talent, So do they trade back?
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Try to fill multiple holes. It's perhaps more sensible, but
Speaker 2: you really don't trust your football people. You're gonna move
Speaker 2: out of the top ten here. But in the end,
Speaker 2: and I'm reading just in the frustration around the organization
Speaker 2: that I imagine is also happening inside the walls at
Speaker 2: Flowery Branch, the curse of John Abraham is strong there.
Speaker 2: Oh on, what a curse it is. I think it's
Speaker 2: going to be too much to ignore for Terry Fono
Speaker 2: and Raheem Morris. I pulled up the John Abraham Pro
Speaker 2: Football Reference. Is something smelled rotten?
Speaker 4: What'd you find?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: As we talked about on the show, Abraham started his
Speaker 2: career with the Jets. He left as a free agent
Speaker 2: after the two thousand and five season, and the Jets
Speaker 2: have been looking for an edge rusher really ever since.
Speaker 2: And now it's the Falcons who saw him leave in
Speaker 2: free agency after the twenty twelve season. They've been looking
Speaker 2: for an edge rusher, since it's Abraham that ties the
Speaker 2: whole conspiracy together. I think the Falcons, with a plethora
Speaker 2: of pass rushers at their disposal, will not move and
Speaker 2: they are going to say we've had enough of this
Speaker 2: waiting game for the next Abraham and will take the
Speaker 2: cat that we like most.
Speaker 1: So I'm not even going to tell you they're going
Speaker 1: to take. There are a lot of.
Speaker 2: Mock drafts out there that have big time edge rushers
Speaker 2: staring at them, so they're gonna have their pick of
Speaker 2: the litter most likely, and I think that's what they do.
Speaker 2: They take the best pass rusher could be the first
Speaker 2: defensive player off the board, and that's the move they make.
Speaker 2: And everything I'm reading tells me this team thinks that
Speaker 2: they could really contend in that conference if they hit
Speaker 2: on a big edge rusher, use the rest of that
Speaker 2: draft to continue to build out the defense, and then
Speaker 2: hope Raheem could build it up further once he has
Speaker 2: a roster.
Speaker 4: I think that's what I got a tipster telling me
Speaker 4: Dallas Turner might be their guy at Alabama.
Speaker 3: That would make that is the guy at edge and
Speaker 3: there aren't a lot of them, and that's that makes sense.
Speaker 3: And I think if you're Raheem Morris and you're working
Speaker 3: well with Terry Fanho, you've come in quickly. You've found
Speaker 3: the quarterback that they lacked in these frustrating last three years.
Speaker 3: You're now killing curses that have plagued the Falcons for
Speaker 3: a long time. And you give Raheem Morris his guy,
Speaker 3: which takes us to the ninth pick, and we're back
Speaker 3: with the Chicago Bears, the monsters of that meaning, these.
Speaker 2: Cats are feeling good about themselves because they took Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: At number one.
Speaker 2: So now what Now we know they got Keenan Allen
Speaker 2: Okay at receiver and talking to some people and reading
Speaker 2: some things. They weren't expecting that they said that they're
Speaker 2: on record. Ryan Pulls, the GM said Keenan Allen's he
Speaker 2: popped up. It wasn't something that they had been working
Speaker 2: on for weeks. It wasn't on the radar until the
Speaker 2: Chargers realized they had to move on. They called it
Speaker 2: a quote this part of the athletic, a really cool opportunity.
Speaker 2: That's a hard bullet quote from where we are headed,
Speaker 2: which is going to be hang on missed the quote,
Speaker 2: called it a really cool opportunity that popp up.
Speaker 1: They made the move.
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen, I think wide receiver was an option at nine,
Speaker 2: and I think it's more likely they move away at
Speaker 2: this point from that group, even though there's going to
Speaker 2: potentially be some or there will be still big time
Speaker 2: names there. And then I think about the defense. They
Speaker 2: are trying to figure out what their defensive line.
Speaker 1: You have.
Speaker 2: Matty Eberflus was on the record saying that you need
Speaker 2: an interior interior defensive line and an interior defensive lineman
Speaker 2: that could be a major impact player. Irvin Dexter, second
Speaker 2: year player, former second round pick. They liked his development,
Speaker 2: but would they look for a hog Molly at the
Speaker 2: top of this round.
Speaker 1: I think that could be it as well.
Speaker 2: So I think you look and looking on the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball with this team, and I think
Speaker 2: you're going to see that's.
Speaker 1: Where they end up going.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 4: A lot of eyewitness accounts have been also saying that
Speaker 4: they've seen some things that might lead you to believe
Speaker 4: that that's the direction they're going in, but only Signetti
Speaker 4: is really truly knowing.
Speaker 3: I think also Signetti, he's going to a great judge
Speaker 3: of character and how people transform and change. And I
Speaker 3: get the sense that Flus is going to get his
Speaker 3: way because this has been in the last couple of
Speaker 3: weeks and months. He's grown a beard and changed his
Speaker 3: hair a little bit. He just looks confident. He feels like,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: He's just go on the run.
Speaker 3: Well there's that too, and he's changed. Oh yeah, it
Speaker 3: feels like an odd time to leave the Bears as
Speaker 3: head coach compared to other scenarios coaches have been in.
Speaker 1: But we'd be telling him we've got.
Speaker 2: Our eye on them, which takes us finally at a
Speaker 2: number ten, the New York Jets, And I think the
Speaker 2: entire football industry was locked in on this, these Cats
Speaker 2: going for an offensive lineman after you know, the disaster
Speaker 2: that was their line last season, Aaron Rodgers' injury, which
Speaker 2: by the way, came not to pile on poor Dwayne Brown,
Speaker 2: but came on a miss block on the fourth play
Speaker 2: of the season that led to the achilles injury. But
Speaker 2: then they went out and they got Tyron Smith, and
Speaker 2: they added two other starters in addition to Smith and
Speaker 2: free agency in one week and now makes people think, oh,
Speaker 2: they're done at offensive line, and they could be. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of people connecting to that Bowers kid the
Speaker 2: tight end. I know the Jets have a bit of
Speaker 2: a cursed history at tight end in the first round,
Speaker 2: so I'd be a little jumpy about that if I
Speaker 2: were them. If there's a big time wide receiver Mike Williams.
Speaker 2: I know they added Mike Williams, that's a one year deal. Potentially,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't rule out them going after a wide receiver here,
Speaker 2: but I do think they might surprise people and stay
Speaker 2: with the initial plan and take an offensive tackle the
Speaker 2: best guy on the board.
Speaker 1: They're not going to get Alt.
Speaker 2: If Alt was still there, they would run up to
Speaker 2: the podium, but he should be long gone by ten.
Speaker 2: I think they take the second best aligneman on the board,
Speaker 2: somebody that they like a lot, and it gives you
Speaker 2: that injury protection on the line and a successor to
Speaker 2: Tyron Smith or whomever.
Speaker 1: They decide to kind of plug this guy in.
Speaker 2: He'll find a role quickly because guess what offensive lineman
Speaker 2: get injured. You know who else gets injured, older offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: I still think it's a major need for this team,
Speaker 2: and I think they still end up taking Hogmley offensive Lineman.
Speaker 1: I really I like that.
Speaker 3: I think that Joe Douglas does not want to mess
Speaker 3: around with that entire position group. I do find it interesting,
Speaker 3: and I know you have a hot and cold relationship
Speaker 3: with this fellow draft investigator, and you'll Jeremiah.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's hearing things.
Speaker 3: And I can't think of someone that seems more closely
Speaker 3: kind of linked to Joe Douglass here and there. And
Speaker 3: this could just be him creating something that's gonna get clicks.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: But he has them trading up in his latest mock
Speaker 3: to number five with the Chargers to get Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2: I believe that that draft came out or the mock
Speaker 2: draft came out a day before the Mike Williams trade.
Speaker 3: I would I would say that, like, just because you
Speaker 3: have Mike Williams, you'l like Tyron Smith and Mike Williams
Speaker 3: are both players that you can count on for maybe
Speaker 3: ten or eleven games a season, and you're gonna lose them,
Speaker 3: Like if you can do this, or even if it's
Speaker 3: Roma Dounzay, I just say, if it's Mark, if you
Speaker 3: had it, if they if they had it in their
Speaker 3: head that there's some whisper that we're gonna try this,
Speaker 3: then you have Marvin Harrison Junior as a Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame potential talent for the next half decade. It's not
Speaker 3: even about Aaron Rodgers. You just have someone to pair with.
Speaker 3: You'd have the best wide receiver tandem in the AFC.
Speaker 4: Well, I have. I have a little bit of a
Speaker 4: situation that I'm working on right now that a little
Speaker 4: bit of a lead. Usually my sparrows will sing like
Speaker 4: canaries when I asked them about what's going on specifically.
Speaker 1: In classes are really paying off?
Speaker 4: Oh god, I have a dozen ten years? Get off
Speaker 4: my back. However, I will say that from a very
Speaker 4: reliable source, at the owner's meetings, there was a very
Speaker 4: heated conversation between Woody and Robert Sala to the point
Speaker 4: where it was a little awkward. What were they arguing about?
Speaker 1: Where was this?
Speaker 4: Tell us more at the owner's meetings, at the the party,
Speaker 4: at the party last night, I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that has happened.
Speaker 2: In developing news here.
Speaker 1: Can we just make news.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that who and hey, who knows could
Speaker 4: have been about anything. Maybe they were disagreeing on how
Speaker 4: they liked their steak cooked.
Speaker 3: Doubt that, though probably not anything very interesting.
Speaker 2: So so an argument between the head coach and.
Speaker 4: The owner, wouldn't say argument of just a passionate exchange.
Speaker 4: What were they discussing? That is the lightest lead you did.
Speaker 2: Your source said it to the to it reached the
Speaker 2: point where it was almost.
Speaker 1: Awkward stle awkward. The awkward So was.
Speaker 2: It was it around in the midst of a larger
Speaker 2: group or was it off to the side, Like what
Speaker 2: made it awkward?
Speaker 4: I think just the body language potentially, but.
Speaker 3: The fact that a coach is arguing with an owner,
Speaker 3: which I don't think I've ever seen at a bar.
Speaker 1: Were they alone having the argument or were they part.
Speaker 4: Of a I'm not saying it's an argument, saying.
Speaker 1: The heated exchange passionate exchange.
Speaker 4: Yes, a lively conversation.
Speaker 2: Where they have kind of on their own having this conversation.
Speaker 2: Or was it part of a large group.
Speaker 4: It's two of them, so what was that about?
Speaker 1: That's or de coonzic that he does.
Speaker 2: My guess it might have been potentially about this very
Speaker 2: conversation we're having right now.
Speaker 1: The number ten.
Speaker 9: Overall, Well, the love that it's been unearthed, gonna hop
Speaker 9: in the Lincoln Continental with the moon roof, drive on
Speaker 9: down to wherever they are, the Lincoln Continent.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break, it will wrap up. All right,
Speaker 1: we're back. The show is continuing, for God's sakes. Thank you, Mark.
Speaker 1: All Right, there we go.
Speaker 2: That was the signette breakdown of the that the sir
Speaker 2: the top ten and uh, but I I'm still that
Speaker 2: was a little bit of a bout those developing news.
Speaker 1: I thought. Uh. And again it wasn't.
Speaker 4: An argument and and and let me just speak clear,
Speaker 4: just heated conversation and was not last night was Sunday night,
Speaker 4: So Monday nights ago Sunday night.
Speaker 2: But just so we have the setting correct, they have
Speaker 2: the owner's meetings. And then there's and we've been a
Speaker 2: part of this party in the past, right, there's a
Speaker 2: large party on an open lawn type setup.
Speaker 3: It was that party, not like a separate bar type
Speaker 3: late night out.
Speaker 1: It was that.
Speaker 4: It was It was not the big party that was
Speaker 4: last night. That's like the oh so it wasn't that party. No, okay,
Speaker 4: it was Sunday night and it was according to my source,
Speaker 4: super awkward.
Speaker 3: So it's observed by many people that I would assume
Speaker 3: or multiple multiple take.
Speaker 1: Well that is, I mean that could be anything.
Speaker 4: Obviously, well there's smoke, there's fire.
Speaker 2: I mean they could have been They could have been
Speaker 2: arguing over I don't know, like the who versus led Zeppel.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would.
Speaker 4: Desmited, Like the year contest that Dave Damishek used to run.
Speaker 1: Would have been the fruit of the year. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't know.
Speaker 3: It's the last time Woody Johnson like went into a
Speaker 3: grocery store and felt fruit and find out that really
Speaker 3: come up.
Speaker 1: He's definitely hit the way Room looks beefy.
Speaker 2: It could have been about that, you know, could have
Speaker 2: been about Zach Wilson, because by the way.
Speaker 3: And the comments that with Johnson made that make no
Speaker 3: sense for the way that team needs to proceed.
Speaker 2: Woody had to Woody, as we quickly addressed in the
Speaker 2: eight o'clock Delight came out and said a few weeks
Speaker 2: back that you know, our season was room because we
Speaker 2: didn't have a quarterback, making it very clear that they
Speaker 2: didn't think highly of Zach Wilson and they were moving
Speaker 2: on and then walked back at the owner's meetings in
Speaker 2: a way that was like very obviously transparent saying, oh,
Speaker 2: we we'd have him back.
Speaker 1: Sure, It's like, no, could it be about that? We
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: That would make some sense though, because I think that
Speaker 3: that whole thing burned down everyone quarterback coached GM.
Speaker 1: It's like you're doing that again.
Speaker 2: Also owners and head coaches, I'm sure in every building,
Speaker 2: but had some time to time. But in a public
Speaker 2: setting that's signetti at.
Speaker 4: Now how public this was, I don't know, but it
Speaker 4: was seen.
Speaker 2: Keep sleuthing, Colleen, What a what a morning into afternoon
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: I know you've done it again. You've said it all.
Speaker 4: Thank you. It's great to be back with you guys.
Speaker 1: And yes we'll be there.
Speaker 2: She is the call and we'll be back on Thursday
Speaker 2: with the great But oh oh.
Speaker 4: Man, I always get so excited to see you here.
Speaker 1: He lost he lost part of the it's the one
Speaker 1: that hits the boot.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 1: We're not hard on him about it. We're just we
Speaker 1: just understand it's a thing that we work with it up.
Speaker 7: It was the slow jazz of the whole entire show
Speaker 7: just kind of loaded me to sleep back here. Look
Speaker 7: on the trigger. I'm looking for the clothes button. It's
Speaker 7: just kind of.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, we're boring you.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying it was I was really relaxed. I
Speaker 7: was wasn't on my toes like I usually am. So
Speaker 7: I jumped to another folder and.
Speaker 2: So it had nothing to do with the missing portion
Speaker 2: of the thumb. No good, How was that going on?
Speaker 1: Like nine?
Speaker 4: No way, that's great.
Speaker 2: Body's crazy human body, ladies and gentlemen, a miracle.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Uh yeah, so we'll be back.
Speaker 2: We have a special guest uh joining us on Thursday show,
Speaker 2: Connor or We're gonna have some fun with Connor.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But until then, thank you, Connie, thank you for listening.
Speaker 2: Thank you Frank Signetti wherever you are and heed the call.