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Speaker 1: Alex bar Nothing you do after that matters right now

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Speaker 1: So hopefully people could hear that. I try to project

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Speaker 1: Like you see what I'm doing. That came through. We're good? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You made me chuckle legitimately on that. Sometimes I laugh

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Speaker 2: I didn't just do that sometimes, But that time that

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Speaker 2: was actually a funny pointed bout you. Not what was

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Speaker 2: the thing you were saying before the show?

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Speaker 1: Water water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.

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Speaker 1: That's like a famous line from what nineteen twenty three?

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Speaker 1: Like I hate me. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's the point that I Sometimes you just say things

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you're you're it's like a famous thing though.

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Speaker 2: You're technically younger than I am, but you will just

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Speaker 1: I'm entrenched in the zeitgeist. I know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: What is that even supposed to mean? It made sense

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well, hello everybody, Patriots Catch twenty two

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Speaker 2: here with you for the next couple of hours. Evan

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Speaker 2: Lazar Alex Barth. Very weird start to the show, but

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Speaker 2: I just can't get over these little sayings and things

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk a lot of Bengals, a lot of

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Speaker 2: Patriots Bengals. We're gonna talk a little bit about the

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Speaker 2: league as a whole. Maybe in the second hour. The

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Speaker 2: show makes some predictions I like those this time of year,

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Speaker 2: have some MVP predictions, Rookie of the Year, that kind

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Speaker 2: All right, I want to start off talking Patriots bangles

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Speaker 2: in Week one here for the Patriots and this team

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Speaker 2: and this regime, this era, and look, we all have

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Speaker 2: concerns about this football team right now. We all are realists,

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Speaker 2: we all understand where this team is. But I for one,

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Speaker 2: just they're only gonna win four game, Like, let's see

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Speaker 2: what it looks like on the field. So I as

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Speaker 2: much as I understand that the bigger picture of the

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Speaker 2: the direction of the GM and the coach and Drake

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what this team is made of

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Speaker 2: on the field. Maybe they take us all by surprise.

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Speaker 2: That being said, I would pick them to probably win

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Speaker 2: But I'm just so relieved that the crystal ball aspect

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Speaker 2: there's only one path to everybody, and that is top

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Speaker 2: well start talking about Will Campbell and Travis Hunter today

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Speaker 1: So I think you mean Will Campbell in t mac

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Speaker 1: That's what makes it fun any given Sunday. All of that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good way of putting it. And I

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Speaker 2: Actual football consumption, not when I was four years old

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Speaker 1: didn't think I thought. I thought he doesn't play that big.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought he was even shorter than that. So

435
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Speaker 2: I knew he was like six foot. I didn't realize

436
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Speaker 2: he was.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he was like six foot maybe six

438
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Speaker 1: to one. Yeah, and two twelve too. He doesn't look

439
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Speaker 1: like he's two twelve.

440
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Speaker 2: Well, all right, I guess he is. I'm with you

441
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Speaker 2: with Gonzalez. I I feel like T Higgins is like

442
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 2: a decent matchup for him. It's a really good receiver,

443
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Speaker 2: but T Higgins is not Tier one Jamar level, where

444
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 2: you're taking him on an island for four quarters. That's

445
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 2: a lot to ask. Yeah, Jamar Chase with help over

446
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 2: the top from Jonathan Jones, something along those lines makes

447
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: the most sense.

448
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Speaker 1: They play.

449
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 2: You know, they've played some cloud, they've played some like

450
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: you know, they have a guy on the line of

451
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 2: scrimmage that'll jam them and then they'll rotate the safety

452
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Speaker 2: over to that side of the field over the top

453
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Speaker 2: and kind of high low them in that way. They

454
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Speaker 2: can bracket. You know, they obviously have all their bracket

455
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 2: calls and things like that that they could run at Chase.

456
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Speaker 2: You feel like it's almost like a box and one right,

457
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Speaker 2: where like Gonzales has Higgins one on one and that

458
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 2: way there, you could do all the different exotic stuff

459
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Speaker 2: to Jamar Chase, whether it's a bracket, whether it's you know,

460
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Speaker 2: putting a safety up over the top of him, or

461
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Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. Even just those looks from

462
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Speaker 2: a quarterback perspective could get Joe Burrow to move off

463
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Speaker 2: of him even if he's open. You know, like it's

464
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Speaker 2: sometimes hard for quarterbacks, especially like Burrow, who just wants

465
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Speaker 2: to throw to the open guy. It's hard for those

466
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Speaker 2: guys to really lock on like that because well they're

467
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Speaker 2: bracket coveraging. I mean, somebody else is one on one

468
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Speaker 2: somewhere else. Why would I throw it into double coverage, right,

469
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Speaker 2: So that's what I would do as well. I meant

470
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Speaker 2: to bring up the offensive line a little bit more detail,

471
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Speaker 2: because we did see what we think is going to

472
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Speaker 2: be the starting offensive line out at practice today. So

473
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Speaker 2: let's go back to that real quick and then we'll

474
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Speaker 2: do the rest of our Gonzalez is one of my

475
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Speaker 2: key matchups, so I don't know if he was one

476
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Speaker 2: of yours. Yeah, offensive line real quickly right now, if

477
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Speaker 2: I had to guess, on Thursday at two thirty, we'll

478
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Speaker 2: go from left to right choops a core four, left tackle,

479
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, practice squad elevation starts.

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Speaker 1: See, so they've worked Leverett there too a bit. I

481
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Speaker 1: wonder if they're getting Jordan read in case something happens

482
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Speaker 1: to Andrews. If the plan is for Lever to go

483
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Speaker 1: in a center and Jordan is essentially the backup guard,

484
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Speaker 1: I think he's getting elevated, like yeah, practicing like he's

485
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Speaker 1: getting elevated.

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Speaker 2: So let's call it a rotation right now between Leverett

487
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Speaker 2: and Michael Jordan at left guard, David Andrews obviously at center,

488
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Speaker 2: Leyden Robinson and right guard Mike on Wenny right tackle.

489
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Speaker 2: To me, it's it's bad, right yeah. But the one

490
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Speaker 2: thing I do feel good about for them going in

491
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Speaker 2: is that right side of the line of scrimmage. I

492
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Speaker 2: know you're you're counting a lot on a rookie in

493
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Speaker 2: Leyden Robinson, but if you can get him and Mike

494
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Speaker 2: on Wentu downhill on some of those combination blocks, like

495
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Speaker 2: that's something that you feel okay about that maybe they

496
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Speaker 2: can run over the right side a little bit with

497
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Speaker 2: those two guys. That that to me is always the

498
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Speaker 2: easiest too for rookies, especially, like just go hit somebody right, like,

499
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Speaker 2: don't get into all of the finesse stuff and all

500
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Speaker 2: the technique stuff in past pro as much as you can,

501
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: and just come off the ball and hit someone like that.

502
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Speaker 2: That to me is always the easiest thing to ask

503
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Speaker 2: rookies to do it when they come in out of

504
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Speaker 2: the gate. So if I had to hang my hat

505
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Speaker 2: on anything with this, it would be that I that

506
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 2: left side is very very dubious, like that is a

507
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Speaker 2: weak left side.

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand. And you mentioned rotation there, and

509
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Speaker 1: I actually I think that's a good way to put it,

510
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: because we saw a bill do this. When we see

511
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Speaker 1: other NFL teams do this week one even really through

512
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 1: the first month, they'll rotate some linement just for conditioning reasons. Yeah.

513
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you're gonna have a rotation at right

514
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Speaker 1: guard with two guys that are probably backups, and then

515
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Speaker 1: I just don't know how you can put Chukes, a

516
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Speaker 1: core four back at left tackle. Well, let me say it.

517
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Speaker 1: I think it's really really tough to have to put Chukes,

518
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Speaker 1: a core four back at left tackle after what he

519
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Speaker 1: showed last week. Yeah. The reason I didn't want to

520
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Speaker 1: say I don't know how you can is because I

521
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Speaker 1: know how you can, because he's still the best option.

522
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Speaker 1: Like it's base healthy, healthy, right healthy? Yeah, obviously, but

523
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Speaker 1: Vederian Lowe looked limited today. Now, he wasn't full of uniform,

524
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Speaker 1: so I think that's encouraging. Yeah, he's doing some stuff

525
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: and if they get low back that helps. But it's

526
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Speaker 1: that or Kayden Wallace. And I've said this, I like

527
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Speaker 1: Kaden Wallace, but I like him as a right tackle.

528
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Speaker 1: I don't think having him make this move, especially now,

529
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Speaker 1: and he hasn't been practicing.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 1: And that's the other thing. What happens if Chus cole

532
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Speaker 1: four gets hurt? Where are you going from there?

533
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Speaker 3: Is it? Den?

534
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: Kden Wallace? Is it? Are they gonna elevate Caleb Jones

535
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: from the practice squad and have two offensive line elevations.

536
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule that out at all, although I would

537
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Speaker 1: like to have Isaiah Bolden. Knowing now how big Ayo

538
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: Sovas is in the slot. Yeah, yeah, I I just

539
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Speaker 1: chookes a corps for had his worst performance of the

540
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Speaker 1: summer when you put him at left tackle, and now

541
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Speaker 1: he's back their week one, and that's really concerned. Yeah.

542
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I I understand that it's not good and they

543
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of good options at left tackle.

544
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Speaker 2: So I want to get.

545
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Speaker 1: That they don't really have options, period.

546
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Speaker 2: I want to get that out of the way because

547
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Speaker 2: when I when I get out of my soapbox and

548
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: I and I defend vert Vederian Lo a little bit,

549
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people take it the wrong

550
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: way and assume that I'm saying that he's like Joe

551
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: Thomas and his prime right, he's this is not a

552
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: good roster construction, that he's your best option. That's on

553
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: Ellie Wolf. Right, We've been over this. We don't have

554
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: to beat a dead horse, right, But that's on Elliot

555
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: Wolf that Vederian Low and Chooks at Corps four, two

556
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: guys that really haven't played a ton in the NFL

557
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: at left tackle, Are are your best options at left tackle?

558
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: Well?

559
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Speaker 1: Okay, Low has I think for a second, I thought

560
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: you said a corp fur and Walls. I was gonna

561
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Speaker 1: say neither one's played left tackle.

562
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Speaker 2: No, No, Lowis played a little bit. Lo's played a

563
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: little bit right last. So Vaderian Low to me, is

564
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: still their best option at left tackle, simply because I

565
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: feel like he looks the most comfortable over there.

566
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Speaker 1: Is he a dynamic He is the only actual left tackle.

567
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: He should look the most comfortable over there. Right?

568
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: Is he a dynamic blocker? No, Like he's not. He's

569
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: not a very good player, but he's their best option.

570
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: And I still hope that they can get back on

571
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: the offensive line to Vederian Lowe City so David Andrews,

572
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: Leiden Robinson or some combination of that of the sort.

573
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: With those five guys, that to me, especially with Chukes

574
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Speaker 2: being back on the right side, is their best five.

575
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you get to put on one who

576
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Speaker 1: back in the guard.

577
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you put him back into the guard, and

578
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: you know you have checks at right Vaderian had left,

579
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: and then Robinson and so are kind of competing at

580
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: left guard. You know, that's sort of an ongoing competition.

581
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: Do you put that's their best five?

582
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: Do you put? And I mean this is going beyond

583
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: the Bengals game, obviously, this isn't for this week. You

584
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: make anything out of that Caleb Jones signing. Not really.

585
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: I don't really ever put too much in stock into

586
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: those types of moves, you know, waiver wire guys, practice

587
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: squad signings, things like that. I really feel as though

588
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 2: they have seen some real progress from Vaderian Low. Now,

589
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: he's got to be healthy, like you know, that's an

590
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: obvious thing. But his ability to use his length. He

591
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: does have like thirty five inch arms, like he's he's

592
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: got legit length at tackle. His ability to use his length,

593
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 2: and he just needs to be more consistent like there

594
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: he would. He really has is like two or three

595
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: blocks a game, uh in the preseason where you're just like,

596
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: what the heck was that?

597
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: Right?

598
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: Like you know, like he has those moments that are bad,

599
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but over the course of four quarters,

600
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 2: like if he plays seventy snaps, they're gonna be two

601
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: or three. And this always drives me nuts because it's

602
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: like this is gonna happen sometimes, Yeah, there's gonna be

603
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: two or three really bad beats and we're you know,

604
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: just like the sack against the Eagles, you know, in

605
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: the preseason game, there's gonna be two or three really

606
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: bad beats from Vederian low every single week. But then

607
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: when you watch, like the other sixty six reps that

608
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: he takes, they're all okay, you know, like not great,

609
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: but okay. Like he treads water for the most part

610
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: on all those reps. But the bad ones are bad.

611
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: And for right now, I would just take that over

612
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: a guy that can't even line up right when he

613
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: plays left tackle.

614
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know where I'm I'm at on that,

615
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: Just on Jones, Just to go back to Jones rope, Yeah,

616
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: guy who had a good preseason and obviously six nine,

617
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: three seventy and yeah, that might be he's definitely an

618
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: underestimate having stood next to him. I go back to

619
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Speaker 1: something Drod Mayo said at the end of camp. He

620
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: was specifically asked about the offensive line and said, we're

621
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Speaker 1: still trying to get better. We're just trying to get

622
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: better at not only the starting five that we're talking about,

623
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Speaker 1: but also on the practice squad. That's how we look

624
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: at the practice squad as well. These guys aren't here

625
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: on our practice squad just to take reps during practice. No,

626
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: we look at it from a developmental standpoint, where all

627
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: these guys need to be ready to play, So this

628
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: isn't I don't think they viewed the practice squad as

629
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Speaker 1: bodies for the scout team. I think they view the

630
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: practice squad is essentially maybe minor league's the wrong word,

631
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: but like guys, they want to work with guys, they

632
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: want to see what's there. To me, Caleb Jones kind

633
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: of is a factor, and not for Week one, like

634
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: he hasn't been here long enough. But given how little

635
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: actual how few actual left tackles they have, it's really

636
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: one for Dari Lows on the real actual left tackle

637
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: they have. Caleb Jones has played left tackle in the

638
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: NFL in the preseason. That's not a lot. But if

639
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: they're going to use the practice squad to develop players

640
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: and they have essentially zero depth that left tackle, maybe

641
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: there's a chance we see Caleb Jones at some point

642
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: if he makes progress. So I don't I don't know

643
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: how that it's gonna look like. Again, he's been in

644
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: the NFL for two years. He's played one regular season snap.

645
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: It was on special teams. I don't know how that's

646
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna look. But I feel like the fact they brought

647
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: him in all right, let's see if they can work

648
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: with him, Let's see if they can get something out

649
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: of them.

650
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 2: Like, I know, it's absolutely nuts to me that this

651
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: is where they're at.

652
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: I know, you just I know, and I'm with you,

653
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: But I know you just said that. You know, you

654
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: don't look at the practice squad signings and the waiver

655
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: claims as much.

656
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: And I just in the past it just is never

657
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: nine times out of ten and it amounts to nothing.

658
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: But I have to keep it.

659
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: No, I give you that. But and I guess he

660
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: was a trade acquisition, But isn't that essentially what Vederian

661
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: Lowe was last year? Just kind of a late, really

662
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: out there flyer on a guy who hadn't played. And

663
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: here we are a year later, he's the starting left

664
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: tower or if he's healthy, he's the starting left tackle.

665
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: So who's but that shouldn't be the case, Like no, oh,

666
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: absolutely absolutely.

667
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like, as we try to get

668
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: through this season, and this goes back to your point

669
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: off the top of the show, we're not doing hypotheticals,

670
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: we're not doing big picture. We're looking weak to weak

671
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm getting a little ahead of where we're

672
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: at with the Bengals, but yea you know, I'm not

673
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: bringing up Curtis Jacobs, who's a linebacker who they claimed

674
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: off waivers. I'm not brnking up you know some of

675
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: the other guys they signed to the practice squad, like

676
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: Matt Landers or O'shawn Mathis, or these guys that play

677
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: positions where they have depth. Vederian Lowe is kind of

678
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: a last second flyer last year who became the starting

679
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: left tackle. Even if it's not like good enough, all right,

680
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: they bring Caleb Jones in. Now if Darien Lowe struggles,

681
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: like I guess, okay, I'm talking this through in real time.

682
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying.

683
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think there's a chance for

684
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: Darien Lowe plays poorly, but they leave him in simply

685
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: because they feel they have no better option. And do

686
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: you think Caleb Jones could get to the point where

687
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: he's not going to be a long term fixed But

688
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: all right, we need to get for Darian low out.

689
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: We at least feel comfortable giving this guy a shot.

690
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: It's possible. I just I've seen enough out of a

691
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: Darian low that he is their clear cut best option

692
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: at left tackle right now, So I something would have

693
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: to go on behind the scenes with Caleb Jones that

694
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: he really came on.

695
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, like an unrealistic gap.

696
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: Is it unrealistic? No, because we're not talking about again,

697
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: we're not talking about Prime jar. It's possible. I I

698
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: just look at him, and I would say, you mentioned

699
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: Caleb Jones. I would say the same thing with Trey Jacobs,

700
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: who I thought had some decent.

701
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: Uh the other tackle. Yeah, okay, that's fair trade. Jacobs.

702
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: Really what stood out at most about him when I

703
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: some of the games that I watched of his was

704
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: his athleticism in space, Like this is a guy that

705
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: can really get out and move and block the latterly

706
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: and block in space, which is what this offense is

707
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: going to be asking them to do a lot at

708
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: the tackle position in the run game. So could both

709
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: those guys uh push Vederian low at some point? Yeah?

710
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: Uh my only like little rebuttal to that would be.

711
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: I would hope that Caden Wallace is the one that's

712
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: pushing it.

713
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: But I still think he's a right tackle and I

714
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: want them to develop him at right tackle. I want

715
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: him to push Jukes.

716
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: A corps for what a mess? Uh Yeah?

717
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: And I shouldn't left out Jacobs. That's a good point

718
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: by you. I would include him. I just have Caleb

719
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: Jones because they just signed him.

720
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: But he is a monster of a man.

721
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: If yeah, he's hard to get out of your head.

722
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: If if people are gonna call in or talk about like, oh,

723
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: you know Venderian Lowe sure can't be the guy. Like

724
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm always big on this. Anytime you want to talk

725
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: about benching a player, you have to give me an alternative. Yeah,

726
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: you can't just say take him out. No, we're not

727
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: gonna play with ten guys, like who's going in right?

728
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: The help's not coming externally. So at this point, if

729
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: you need a replacement left tackle, I know Caanen Wallace maybe,

730
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: but I think these are the guys we were talking about,

731
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: Trey Jacobs and Caleb Jones.

732
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm with you. And I didn't want

733
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: to come into this show and do the whole you

734
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: know your station thing and start getting all mad about

735
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: the left tackle situation. But it has to be said

736
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: that the fact that there this is what we're talking

737
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: about go heading into week one, and the fact that

738
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: they really just left themselves high and dry at the

739
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: position for a year is a mind.

740
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: Blowing inexcusable inexcusable it.

741
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: They don't have anybody with real NFL experience that's ever

742
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: played left tackle in the league before, Like Vadarian Lowe

743
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: is the closest thing that they have to that. And

744
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: it's like what like maybe three or four starts or

745
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: something like that last year at left tackle, Like that's

746
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: a think about that. They have nobody on the team

747
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: that has made any significant amount of playing time, has

748
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: had any significant amount of playing time at left tackle.

749
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: And nobody nobody was asking them to, you know, go

750
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: out and get their future franchise left tackles off seas.

751
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: I mean, like it would have been great, but they

752
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: had so many needs they weren't going to be able

753
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: to dress every single one to that extent. But you know,

754
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: bridge players, Jermaine A. Luminar was out there. What happened

755
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: to Justin Haran? Like Justin Haran is kind of the

756
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: exact guy they need. Maybe a guy that gave up

757
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: on too early. Actually I looked this up. I think

758
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: he was hurt last year, so maybe that's why. But

759
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: like just a bridge tackle guy who's played in this league.

760
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: Justin Haraan suffered a knee injury late last year, so

761
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: maybe that's why. Yeah, and he was placed on injured

762
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: reserve on July twenty eighth, So.

763
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: I wanted also with a whole tackle thing. Let's not

764
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: let's not Rid Belichick of blame of that, because.

765
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is the most we've been, this is

766
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: the most back year gets solder, we've we've done the

767
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: timeline and Isaiah Win and Trent Brown being a stop

768
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: gap so they could focus on other positions. Like, Yeah,

769
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: as much as it goes back years, as much as

770
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: we can sit here and say that it wasn't good

771
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: procedure or whatever you want to call it, wasn't wasn't

772
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: good GMing by Elliott Wolf to go this route this offseason.

773
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: To me, it's even more inexcusable that they didn't draft

774
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: to tackle last year in twenty twenty three. Yeah, well

775
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: I did.

776
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: If you put and look, I maybe Marty Mapu gets

777
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: healthy and he ends up Marte Mopu. Excuse me, I

778
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: should say his name correctly. Maybe he gets healthy and

779
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: ends up being a decent player for them, But it

780
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: doesn't help that he also hasn't really made an impact

781
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: on the team as a top one hundred pick. If

782
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 2: you just took Marte Mapu out and put an actual

783
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: left tackle into that spot, then at least you have,

784
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: along with Caden Wallace, you have like two young tackles

785
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: now that you're developing, even if the guy isn't a

786
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: day one answer at the position. I understand that the

787
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs, and we went through this with the

788
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: Patriots with Tom Brady, where it's easy to just kind

789
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: of plug rookies in in some spots or plug guys

790
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: in from the street and make it look a whole

791
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: lot better because you have the greatest quarterback of all time.

792
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: But the Chiefs are going to start this off the

793
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: season tonight with Kingsley Siuemaitai as their starting left tackle,

794
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: a guy the Patriots could have had in the draft,

795
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 2: and he is going to start Day one for Kansas City.

796
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna be good. He's gonna be a good player

797
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: for them. And that, to me is the second guest

798
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: of the draft. Like that was the move. The move

799
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: was to trade up, give up the Javon Baker pick

800
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: and go up and get a guy like Kingsley.

801
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Lee, Patrick, Paul, even Blake Fisher. Yeah, well, to your

802
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: point about like it's on Bill as well as Wolfe.

803
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I would think a big part of

804
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: the reason Bill isn't here, and not directly, but like

805
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: part of the reason Bill's not here was his failure

806
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: to address the tackle situation. Yeah, how do you see

807
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: the last guy move on because he didn't address tackle

808
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: and then come in and not addressed tackle.

809
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: Right right, I'm just looking up right now, really quickly.

810
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: So they took Mapu's seventy sixth overall.

811
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: The next tackle off the board is actually, ironically also

812
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, I was Juanya Morris, who is probably

813
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: more of a right tackle than a left tackle. But

814
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: you have guys like Juanya Morris, I really like Nick Saldeveri,

815
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: who went with the very first pick of the fourth round.

816
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: Remember that, Yeah, he played left tackle in.

817
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: College Blake and then and obviously Dewan Dewan Jones is

818
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: the one who was also a right tackle to be

819
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: to be fair, to play some left he probably could.

820
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing, if you had a right tackle,

821
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: even if you had a right tackle, you uh no,

822
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: in never mind, I got my wires cross there. But no,

823
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: even if you had a right tackle, you could at

824
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: least be playing Mic and Winn to a guard right

825
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: now and have that solidified. You still the issue at

826
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: left tackle, but it's one less spot. The other thing

827
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: I'll say about the Marte Mapu pick was, remember that

828
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: year we all thought they were gonna end up making

829
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: trades because they just had too many picks, and they

830
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: ended up making all of them anyway. Yeah, so could

831
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: they have traded up. I'm actually looking up only one

832
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: tackle went in the third round before Mark Mapoo, and

833
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: it's like fifteen picks earlier. Yeah, and it's Tyler Stein,

834
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: who I don't think has been great also kind of

835
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: a guard. Right, So all right, there maybe wasn't a

836
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: tackle to trade up for.

837
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: But I don't know if there's a tackle to trade

838
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: up for. But the second guest is certainly taking Mapoo

839
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: and taking Jake Andrews. When Dwan Blake Friedland like that,

840
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: you know, Wanya Morris, like there were some tackles that

841
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: went and range of the draft, and at least again

842
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: like I don't know if those guys I keep on

843
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: using Joe Thomas, like, I don't know if those guys

844
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: were gonna be franchise left tackles in the league. But

845
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: at least it was another developmental player to have in

846
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: the pipeline, right, And that's the whole point of the draft,

847
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: is to just keep on trying to replenish positions and

848
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 2: maintain depth and all that kind of stuff. All right,

849
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: let's do key matchups. We don't have to cry about

850
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: the tackle situation any longer, Evan.

851
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: Evan opens the show saying, we have a game week.

852
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: It will be a different show now, and then we

853
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: just complain about tackles.

854
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like we've just done since what.

855
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: I didn't even bring up the fact that Drake May

856
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: would probably be starting on Sunday if they had a

857
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: viable left tackle. But as beside the point, I.

858
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: Have a take on that, Okay, I I don't think

859
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: you would, and I'm not saying that's right. I actually

860
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: do believe I think he'd be starting sooner. I think

861
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: they always wanted to start cobset week one.

862
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just me. So my take on it is

863
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: about the same. Yeah, I would say that they went

864
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: into the season, it's a training camp, I should say,

865
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent sure of whether or not Drake

866
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: May was gonna be able to play year one because

867
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: because of the developmental aspect and all that stuff. Once

868
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: they got into training camp, and especially once we got

869
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: into the latter part of training camp preseason, of course

870
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: drove Mayo outplayed Jacoby were said, right, like you know,

871
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: like that those comments, it became clear that Drake was

872
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: pushing to start year one. Yeah, so now it went

873
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: from the full green Bay Packer model till maybe like

874
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: an abbreviated version of the Green Bay Packer model. But

875
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 2: they always seem to want some semblance of holding the clipboard.

876
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: So maybe it's we're still into I still feel like

877
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: we're in like the four to eight week range for

878
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: him to get in there, but it's not gonna be

879
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: right once once.

880
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 1: We get past Halloween. I've used Halloween as that date, right, Yeah,

881
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: once we get past like week eight, week nine, if

882
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: he's still not starting, that's when it will primarily be

883
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: about the offensive line. To me, I don't think the

884
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: offensive line isn't a factor right now. I don't think

885
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: it's the biggest factor. If we get to late October

886
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 1: early November, they're still not winning games and Drake Mays

887
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: not out there like we saw the progress he was making,

888
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: and they're gonna go behind closed doors now, but like, realistically,

889
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: if he continues on that same trajectory, he's going to

890
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: clearly pass per set within a month, six weeks something

891
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: like that.

892
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I feel for Jacoby. I feel for Jacoby

893
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: little because I think a lot of people are not

894
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: hoping or wishing or any sort of thing like that.

895
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: A lot of people are expecting an injury to open

896
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: the door. Right, And maybe this is some drew bledsoe

897
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: Tom Brady stuff, right, you know that we all live

898
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: through that, and that that's where our heads are at

899
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: sometimes even without knowing it. I also seem to hear

900
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: a lot about Tyrod Taylor and his poor issue with

901
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: the needle right and not open the door for us

902
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: and Herbert to start earlier than maybe the Chargers expected.

903
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 2: I feel for Jacoby Brissett because he's in a position

904
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: now where the first sign of trouble it's Drake may right,

905
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: Like that's what's gonna be on everybody's mind. But also

906
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: there's like a little bit of that going on too,

907
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: where it's like, well, if he like gets you know,

908
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: dinged up in there, it's not like the worst thing,

909
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: because then we can, you know, turn this over to Drake.

910
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: I definitely feel like the front office and the decision

911
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 2: makers in this organization, Mayo Wolf, are thinking it's best

912
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: to sit a young quarterback at first. Yeah, and let's

913
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: bring him along slowly, Let's let him develop behind the

914
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 2: scenes behind Jacoby, and when he's one hundred percent ready,

915
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 2: he'll play. But not at ninety not at ninety five.

916
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: He's got to be one.

917
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: Hundred unless Jakoby gets hurt, unless Jacoby, and then I

918
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: guess we're into a case where it's probably like an

919
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: abbreviated playbook and like that sort of thing is the

920
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: is the direction that they go in a key matchups.

921
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about Gonzo. That was my

922
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: first one. I put down Gonzo versus T Higgins. I

923
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: really feel like that's gonna be what they decide to do,

924
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: is put him on Higgins. It's the old number two

925
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: in the double, the number one thing, right. I just

926
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: hope that he can take Higgins. He's not gonna erase

927
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: Higgins from the game, I don't think, but at least

928
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: let's hope that he can.

929
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Limit the damage.

930
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 2: Limit the damage, yep, and whatever one on one catches,

931
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: you give up the t Higgins you kind of have

932
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: to live with, and then you hope that you can

933
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: really take Jamar Chase out of the game with scheme.

934
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: I think the big tests assuming Gonzalz is on Higgins,

935
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: which I think we both think is gonna happen, right, Yes, Tackling, Yeah,

936
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: Tackling was kind of the big knock on Gonzalez coming

937
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: out even early last year. Wasn't something he had to

938
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: do a ton because he just wasn't allowing any completions

939
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: because he was that good. Which if he can do

940
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: that great, none of this matters. But you know, Higgins

941
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: is a tight end. He's six four, he's listed it

942
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: to twenty five. Would take the over. That's a big, strong,

943
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: powerful dude. And like you said, you're gonna like you're

944
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: gonna give up catches. He's gonna get his. Yeah, don't

945
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: let him extend those by breaking tackles. And some of

946
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: that's on Gonzalez. Some of that song guys like Kyle

947
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: Duger and Jabrill Peppers and Jalen Hawkins who were on

948
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: the back end and flood to the ball and get

949
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: Gonzalez help as soon as he can. But that's I

950
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: think an underrated part of that matchup and something that

951
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 1: you know, Gonzalez last time he was on the field,

952
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: he hurt himself trying to make a tackle and it's

953
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: not always easy to go right back to that. So

954
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: I think how he tackles Higgins. Ideally he doesn't have

955
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: to tackle Higgins, yeah, but realistically he's probably gonna have

956
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: to a couple of times. How he tackles against Higgins

957
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: is definitely gonna be worth watching. And I think he

958
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: could extend that's how he plays in the run game.

959
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. It's a good point. And

960
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: I do wonder after the injury last year, not that

961
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: you completely reinvent yourself, but like this is technique, change

962
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: it all a little bit. Last year he was kind

963
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: of trying to chop guys down a lot, like just

964
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: kind of dive, hurt herself, dive there at his legs

965
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: and throw his shoulder into somebody instead of like wrapping

966
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: up top. Because he is a smaller guy in that

967
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: respect in terms of like his his mass like not

968
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: he's obviously a tall guy, but he's not very bulky.

969
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: So maybe he changes that style a little bit, but

970
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: just for him, and again from you know, a lot

971
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: of this is going to be kind of bird's eye

972
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: view stuff. I didn't think he was as bad as

973
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: some people did in training camp, mainly because I had

974
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: just been really confident in what we saw prior in

975
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: regular season games, which are much more important than what

976
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: he does in practice.

977
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: Right.

978
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wasn't great in training camp. He was

979
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: to me, he was inconsistent. He was like up and down, uneven,

980
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. He needs to be great,

981
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: Like he needs to be number one corner status.

982
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: You know.

983
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: He got an honorable mention on Jeremy Fowler's list of

984
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: best cornerbacks in the NFL off of four games from

985
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: his rookie season. I remember Faller writing a blurb about him, saying,

986
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: if he had played the entire year, then most of

987
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: the people he polled would have had him top ten. Right,

988
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: So that that's the type of guy that they need

989
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: him to be. We talked about it earlier. They don't.

990
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: They no longer have Matthew Judah and Christian Barmore in

991
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: the pass rush to be a four man rush team

992
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: all the time. They are going to have to put

993
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: five and six guys into the rush if they're gonna

994
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: do that then they're gonna need Christian Gonzalez to be

995
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 2: lights out, Like he's gonna have to be a true

996
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: lockdown corner on the outside. It's a big shoes to fill.

997
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: It's like a lot of expectations. But the light's gotta

998
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 2: come on now. Like we're not in practice anymore. We're

999
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: not gliding through things, we're not trying new stuff like

1000
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: he used to tell us sometimes in training camp. The

1001
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: light's gotta switches, gotta flip, and it's gotta stay on now.

1002
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's a big challenge for him.

1003
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all.

1004
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: Right, what's your next one?

1005
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: So we kind of covered some of mine. I had

1006
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: just the Patriots rushing attack first. The Bengals front and yeah,

1007
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about that off the top of

1008
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: the show. But you gotta get push, you gotta get

1009
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: pushed up front. You talked about Laden Robinson, what's gonna

1010
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: happen at left guard? I know you talked about outside zone,

1011
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: but this Bengals defense I think is actually a little

1012
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 1: bit softer up the middle. So yeah, inside zone stuff,

1013
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. Some trap.

1014
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that they lost They lost DJ Reader too.

1015
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: He signed with the.

1016
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: Lions, so they were placing with rankings. Yeah, but I

1017
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: think readers a better rank. No, I think he is too,

1018
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: So that that that's where actually you speak on this

1019
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: better than me. They want to be outside zone, but really,

1020
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: if you want to win this game running the ball,

1021
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: which is what they'll need to do, probably better off

1022
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: running between the tackles right, yes, to attack them.

1023
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: So like they'll be like an inside zone duo in

1024
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: like in terms of inside runs, that's usually what these

1025
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: teams do that run a lot of outside zone. That's

1026
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 2: kind of their inside counter to it, but they don't

1027
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: do it a ton usually. Like now the Niners in

1028
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: the Rams have totally pivoted to more duo and inside

1029
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: zone because everybody plays them for the outside zone, so

1030
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 2: they've been doing that more. And maybe that's the case.

1031
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: Like maybe an Arumo comes out and has wide edges

1032
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: and you know double edges or whatever it is. Yeah,

1033
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: you know, to try to like cut off the edge

1034
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: and they do run it up the middle. That'll be

1035
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: an interesting part of this chess match. Like this is

1036
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 2: one of the other things that I wanted to touch

1037
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: on a little bit with this game on Sunday that

1038
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: I'm really interested in looking at this is truly Van

1039
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: Pelt in DeMarcus Covington's first time scheming and calling plays

1040
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 2: and going toe to toe like chess match style right

1041
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: with another offensive and defensive coordinator. Like, how they do

1042
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: in that respect is going to be interesting. If the

1043
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: Bengals are over playing outside zone, Alex van Pelt's got

1044
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: a pivot like he's got to get them going up that.

1045
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: We talked about it. These West Coast coaches don't like

1046
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: doing that. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see, all right.

1047
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: I also just went on with a specific matchup though

1048
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. To me, this is even more

1049
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: so maybe than the Bengals receivers might be the biggest

1050
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: mismatch on the field on Sunday. Ye chucksa cor four

1051
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: against Trey Hendrickson is an absolute huge mismatch. So Trey

1052
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: Henderson last year had seventeen and a half sacks for

1053
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: the Bengals.

1054
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: He was outstanding. He's one of the more in my mind,

1055
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: under rated ed rushers in the NFL. With you on that,

1056
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: he needs to get a lot more national pub He

1057
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: is extremely versatile, he's well rounded. I asked Checks about

1058
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: this yesterday in the locker room, like what's his go

1059
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: to movie? He's like, well, really, he's got like a

1060
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: couple of different things he can throw at you. He

1061
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: throws a bunch of moves at you. He's really sound

1062
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: with his technique and he can really get after the

1063
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: pass or they cannot leave CHUCKSI kor For one on

1064
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: one with Hendrickson too often, Like that has got to

1065
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: be limited. There's gotta be chips the tight end maybe

1066
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: stays in six to oh line, like whatever you gotta do.

1067
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: Sam Hubbard's okay. On the other side, like I wouldn't

1068
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: overlook Sam Hubbard, but I do feel like on Winn,

1069
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: who can hold his own against Sam Hubbard Hendrickson is

1070
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: you've got to throw some extra stuff at him, Like

1071
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: you can't just expect Chusa kor For to block him

1072
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty times on an island in pass protection. That

1073
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: that's gonna lead to a huge day.

1074
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: And it's you know, you want to help with the

1075
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: guard there, but we don't know who the guard is

1076
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: gonna be, and it's gonna be Nick Leverett or Michael Jordan,

1077
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: who are essentially backups. So yeah, yeah, that could that

1078
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: could get ugly it simply put, he needs to be

1079
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: better he needed or four needs to be better than

1080
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: he was last time we saw him because the effort

1081
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: against Washington's not gonna get it done. Yeah.

1082
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, what's your last one?

1083
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: My last one? You're gonna roll your eyes.

1084
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: You're gonna go outside the box, aren't you? Yep?

1085
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1086
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: Good kickoffs? Just the kickoffs against each other? A key

1087
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: matchup kickoffs? That's not a key match.

1088
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: All right, I'll give you this then, Brandon Schooler versus

1089
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: L three for the for the Bengals. How about And

1090
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: I have to look up because I actually don't know

1091
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: the name of the Bengals special teams coordinator Ben Jake.

1092
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: Uh it's uh, where is he? Oh, Darren Simmons, Uh,

1093
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: Jeremy Springer verus Darren Simmons.

1094
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: Another coordinator, Jeremy Springer doing this for the first time.

1095
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so well every coordinator is doing the kickoffs

1096
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: for the first time. That's kind of my not yeah there,

1097
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: everybody kind of kept it. We didn't see too much

1098
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: in terms of the kickoffs in the preseason. I think

1099
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing when they kick us out of practice,

1100
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: is the kickoff stuff. Like they're keeping us very under wraps.

1101
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: Everybody's been saving. Everybody's been in the lab for months

1102
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: and months and months, trying to find the angle, trying

1103
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: to find the edge, trying to find whatever way to

1104
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: make these kickoffs work. Because whatever team figures out, I

1105
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: think there's thirty two teams in the league, we're probably

1106
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna see ten to twelve different, like really different approaches.

1107
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: I don't mean different variations of the same approach. I

1108
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: think you're gonna see eight to ten to twelve truly

1109
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: different approaches to kickoff coverage and kickoff return this week

1110
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: around the league. Whoever figures it out, whoever has the

1111
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: right answer and knows how it works, is gonna have

1112
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: a tremendous advantage for the first month of the season.

1113
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: Maybe neither of these teams have like the answer, yeah right,

1114
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: but somebody's gonna get an advantage off the kickoff. Patriots

1115
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: need the edge, all the edge they can get. So

1116
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you Jeremy Springer versus Darren Simmons as the

1117
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: uh I gets as the matchup.

1118
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: So I have two things on this. Actually, yeah, So

1119
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: I was talking to Brendan Schooler about this today.

1120
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: I saw you talking to Brendan Schooler today, I thought

1121
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: you lost. Yeah.

1122
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 2: I was talking to Brendan Schooler and I asked him

1123
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: two things. The first thing was I was curious about

1124
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 2: is Fred actually asked me about this on the show yesterday.

1125
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: I didn't have an answer, and he was like, flabberg

1126
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 2: acid that I didn't know some football minutia bs right.

1127
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: So I was like, well, now I got to find

1128
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: an answer. So on offense and defense, right, the offense

1129
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: makes their substitutions and then the defense has a chance

1130
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: to match the substitution on kickoff? Who has the last substitution?

1131
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: Do you know? I'm pretty sure it's the return team.

1132
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: So that's what Schoolers said, But he said he that's

1133
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 2: he even wasn't one hundred percent sure if they would

1134
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: let if they would hold up the play clock to

1135
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 2: like allow you to substitute, or how that would work.

1136
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1137
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 1: I think that's more because they huddle up on the sideline. Yeah.

1138
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: I think it's just the job of somebody on the

1139
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: coaching staff to look over and see, Okay, they have

1140
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: the hands team, or they have the heavy team, or

1141
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: they have the standard team, yeah, and just kind of

1142
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: adjust from there.

1143
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: So maybe next time we talk to Springer, I can

1144
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: actually ask him a question about special team, because.

1145
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious because I didn't even think of that.

1146
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: Fred's point was, because of the uniqueness of this rule,

1147
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: there could be a chance where you have different kinds

1148
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: of blockers for different types of returns.

1149
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: So in the XFL they did have this, and you

1150
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: really you had three units. You had the hands team,

1151
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: which is what it's always been, you didn't really use

1152
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: that a ton. You had the standard team, which was

1153
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: mostly tight ends, linebackers, maybe some running backs. And you

1154
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 1: had what I know some teams called the heavy unit,

1155
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: which is linement. Yeah, and that's for return I think kickoff.

1156
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: It's just standard and heavy and heavy was really only

1157
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: used when you're kicking off after penalty shortfield. But and

1158
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: this is just how I don't know that every team

1159
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: did it this way, and I don't know that this

1160
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: is going to translate to the NFL, but this is

1161
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: just kind of how I understood. It was done, very

1162
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: very base level. So yeah, you would have to look

1163
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 1: across and say, all right, they got the standard team.

1164
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: All right, they got the heavy team. Here's who we

1165
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: want to send out there.

1166
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: Second thing that I talked to Schooler about was that

1167
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: he really feels like it's gonna be probably a month

1168
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 2: until you know what this is actually gonna look like,

1169
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: because he felt like in the preseason it was very vanilla.

1170
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: Nobody really did anything schematically to try to get an edge.

1171
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: So he honestly said, none of us really one hundred

1172
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 2: percent know what the heck this is gonna look like like.

1173
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: This could be as a league wants it to be

1174
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: a dynamic kickoff, or at the end of the day,

1175
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: this could be just like the old one and it

1176
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: might be a dut Well.

1177
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm watching for. Because touchback they moved. They

1178
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: moved touch back up to the thirty yeah, right from

1179
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: the twenty five right, And if it's really scary for

1180
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: the kicking teams, are they just going to boot touchbacks?

1181
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: Now we know the NFL can continue changing the rules

1182
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: up to week four. If you start seeing teams pushing touchbacks,

1183
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if the touchback becomes the

1184
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: forty yard line, just like it is if you missed

1185
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: the uh anywhere else? Yeah, yep, if you I think,

1186
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: if you right now, if you bounce it into the

1187
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: landing zone and the into the end zone for a touchback,

1188
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: the ball only comes out to the twenty. But that's very,

1189
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: very hard to do. I think anything short of that

1190
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: it would not surprise me. If it's just all right,

1191
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: the ball didn't land in the landing zone first, it

1192
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: landed anywhere else forty yard line And some people may say,

1193
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: all right, well they'll just take the forty yard line.

1194
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 1: Give Patrick Mahomes a sixty yard field for every single

1195
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: one of his drives and see if you have a

1196
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: real chance to win that game. Right, Give Lamar Janssen,

1197
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: Give give chance at Mamar Jackson.

1198
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: Like Harrison Bucker. You need like twenty yards to be

1199
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: in field goal range if you're in the Chiefs.

1200
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: At that Giblamar Jackson, justin Tucker a sixty yard field

1201
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: on every one of his drives, and see if you

1202
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: have a chance to win that game. No, it's it's

1203
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: going to force teams to actually do this, and to

1204
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: your point, that's what the league wants. Don't be surprised

1205
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: that the touchback gets moved up. And if it doesn't

1206
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: happen this year, because that is kind of a big

1207
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: change to make in season, they might get pushed back. Yeah,

1208
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: next year, definitely by next year. Touchback is going to

1209
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: be a forty.

1210
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: Last thing on the kickoffs. Yeah, you mentioned it, and

1211
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. The Patriots, and I'm

1212
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: saying it's about something on special teams. Yes, the Patriots

1213
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: need every single edge that they can possibly get. They

1214
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: have Marcus Jones might be the best return man in

1215
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 2: football when he's healthy. This has to be a good one.

1216
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: This has to be a dynamic kickoff for the New

1217
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: England Patriots. They need to figure out ways to flip

1218
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: field position with this rule like, this has to be

1219
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: something that they're good at because they're not gonna be in.

1220
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: The coverage team too. They can't be given up.

1221
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: They're not going to be a great offensive team. I

1222
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: think we all know that. So if they are going

1223
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: to have a chance to score some points that we're

1224
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: not expecting them to score, it's gonna come on these

1225
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: on special teams and on kickoffs. So this has to

1226
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: be something they're good at. There's to me, there's a

1227
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: little bit of pressure there on Jeremy Springer like he's

1228
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: This has got to be good for them. They have

1229
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: to be a dynamic kickoff for team, kickoff return team,

1230
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 2: and punt return team because of the way that they

1231
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: are going to be offensively. Like if Marcus Jones is

1232
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: Devin Hester and the league is a terrified of him,

1233
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: that's a big thing for the Patriots that they can.

1234
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: Use, especially if that touchback hits moved up, because I mean, look,

1235
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: we don't know where Drake May's at yet, but who knows.

1236
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: Maybe Drake May is one of those guys. He can't

1237
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: give a sixty yard field if they moved the touchback up.

1238
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're exactly right. And look, they have a

1239
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: good punter. Bryce Berenger was might have been their best

1240
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: player this summer. He was great. Yeah, they have a

1241
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 1: good punter punt return they'll you know, like you said,

1242
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones, good returner. They lost later, but the reality

1243
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: is that they take a step back. They lost later.

1244
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna look at that. It's all about the kickoff

1245
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to to singer.

1246
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a springer.

1247
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: It's all about the kickoff.

1248
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So last key matchup for me and then I

1249
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: promise we'll take some of these phone calls. I know

1250
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: you guys have been waiting. Keon White versus Trent Brown

1251
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: just because I want to see it like I yeah, yeah,

1252
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: it's just like it's just one of those things now.

1253
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: I also, when I wrote my game plan for this week,

1254
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: which is up now on Patriots dot Com, my big

1255
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: preview for the game, I actually singled out Cordell Volson

1256
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: in their left guard, but I didn't want to get

1257
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: too like I left guards and put you all to sleep.

1258
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 2: But they're gonna have to take Keon White like a

1259
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: chess piece. Find the weakest link on the opponent's offensive line,

1260
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: and on third down, he should be rushing over that guy.

1261
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: Whether it's the left guard, it's the right tackle, it's

1262
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: the you know, the center, like wherever they are. They

1263
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: need to find Waldo on the offensive line and try

1264
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: to get Keon White to expose him. It reminds me

1265
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: so much of how they use Trey Flowers in the end,

1266
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: like in like seventeen eighteen, where every single time it

1267
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: was third down, Trey Flowers, whoever your worst offensive lineman was,

1268
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: they would get a one on one in the pass

1269
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: rush for Trey Flowers. That's what they have to turn

1270
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: Keon White into. So Volson at left guard is probably

1271
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: they're they're truly their worst offensive lineman in pass protection.

1272
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: But we all know the Trent Brown experience, like he's

1273
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: either gonna be locked in or he's not, And if

1274
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: he's not, then Keon White should have a week.

1275
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be locked in former team that

1276
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: it did not end well with against guys he knows.

1277
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see a pretty good version Trent.

1278
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: I agree. I The former team thing I think is

1279
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: this week we'll see about the whole seed. But they

1280
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: also have a Maryus Mims coming back. He's banged up.

1281
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think we're going pretty version Trump Brown

1282
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: this week.

1283
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: I do, Alex, Do you need something to do before

1284
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,800
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Speaker 1: It's pretty nice. I enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Those are great and they have a little charging ports

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Speaker 2: and everything.

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Speaker 1: It's great.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's take these phone calls, Eddie. If you've

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Speaker 2: hung on you're in LA and you're on the line.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Eddie?

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Speaker 4: It's so good. I'll be doing well. So I just

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00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 4: got a little quick stop for you guys. Where do

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00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 4: you guys think jam Folks will be playing from? And

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00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 4: if we do see Jamie Bell, what do you think

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00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 4: we're gonna keep? Imagine? Like what routes? Then? Like just

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Speaker 4: what what? What's the game plan with Jams he gets

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Speaker 4: thrown you guys, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Take it off the Thanks Eddie, thanks for the call.

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Speaker 2: I I think Jalen Polk's gonna be your starting zer

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Speaker 2: receiver on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I really do. If he doesn't technically start, you know,

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01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: kJ Osborne might start as the veteran, but he's gonna

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Speaker 1: Polks can play a long Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, he's he's one of those guys that in the NFL.

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01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 2: He's gonna live over the middle of the field. He's

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01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: gonna be running crossing routes. He's gonna be running slants,

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01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: he's gonna be running things into the middle of the field.

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Speaker 2: One of the things, you know, just talking to some

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: people you know on that Washington staff during the draft,

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01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: uh Tyler Hughes even you know here the Patriots now,

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01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: they felt like Jalen Polk's route running was not truly

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01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: showcase in that Washington offense, like you watch that wasn't

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01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah you watch that, yeah that you watch that Washington

1324
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: offense as much as anybody. They were a four verts

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Speaker 2: like vertical stem down the field.

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Speaker 1: In a straight line, maybe a deep post Michael Pennix

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01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: will put it on your hands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like deep cross maybe was like the most

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01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: horizontally cutting route that they ran. And they didn't really

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Speaker 2: feel like he was able to showcase how good he

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01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: can be at the top of the route. And in

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Speaker 2: this offense, maybe he gets to do that a little

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Speaker 2: bit more. I've been slow to the punch with Jalen

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01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: Polk just because you know, we've been over this before.

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Speaker 2: Like I like the guys that are fast and separating

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Speaker 2: things like that.

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Speaker 1: He's Taekwon.

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Speaker 2: That's not true. That's not necessarily his game. But he

1339
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: to me is poised for a pretty good year. I

1340
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: really feel like he's gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: So I wrote this morning like a expectations for each

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Speaker 1: of the Patriots rookies, like one by one, and I said,

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Speaker 1: obviously May has the most pressure in the highest expectations.

1344
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, if we're talking immediately, it's Jalen Polk, and

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Speaker 1: it's not just because he's the second pick. It's because

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Speaker 1: he's in a position where they're gonna need him right away. Yeah,

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01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: they don't have you know, it's on a high end

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Speaker 1: talent wide receiver. He plays a role, it's very, very

1349
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: crucial in the Saw offense. He's a guy I think

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01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: you should look for a big production early. On that

1351
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: being said, I think for him, look, you want everybody

1352
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 1: to score touchdowns and hit explosive plays. But we've talked

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01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: about this. He's a chain mover. He's not a big

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01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: play threat. That's Thwarton or Jayvon Baker is. To me,

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Speaker 1: you're measuring Jalen Polk's success in catches and in first

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01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: downs more than receiving yards in touchdowns. If that makes sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is he just keeping the change we like we all

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01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: thought Kobe Myers was a pretty good receiver. He has

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Speaker 1: scored touchdowns to year three.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I just pulled up Jacoby's numbers because I was

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Speaker 2: curious about this. So Jacoby in his last two years

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Speaker 2: with the Patriots. I know it's a different offense and

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01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: all that stuff, but just you know, bear with me

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Speaker 2: for now eighty three for eight sixty six and.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Mac Jones' rookie year, that's ten point four yards per catch,

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Speaker 2: two touchdowns. His last year in New England twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: he was sixty seven for eight h four. That was

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Speaker 2: a big touchdown year for him. He had six touchdowns

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Speaker 2: that year. Yeah, twelve yards per catch, between ten and

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Speaker 2: twelve yards per catch between let's call it sixty and

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Speaker 2: seventy catches for Jalen Polk as a rookie, that's about

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01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 2: where I feel like he's going to be. It might

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Speaker 2: be sixty for six hundred, right, but it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: like to your point, if it's sixty for six hundred,

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01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: but a lot of those come on third and seven

1377
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: where he's getting eight yards, then that's sort of the

1378
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: role that they had in mind for him. And I

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01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: do think that he can live up to that.

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Speaker 1: So using that twenty twenty one season, because obviously in

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01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two things kind of went Hey, w are

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01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position? Yeah, Jacoby Myers. In terms of

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01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: passing first downs, Jacoby Myers caught about a quarter of

1384
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: the Patriots first downs that went to receivers. Like, that's

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01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: what you're looking for for Jalen Polk that first is

1386
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: he keeping them moving the chains? And then we get

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01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: in the red zone you're looking at you know, red

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01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: zone threats like Hunter Henry or just running the ball. Yep?

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Speaker 1: But is he helping them extend drives and move the chains?

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Speaker 1: That's what he's here to do. Yep? Absolutely, all right,

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Speaker 1: madis in Virginia sixth part? That wasn't it or whatever? Oh?

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01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah there was. We'll get I'll bring it back up.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Back? Go ahead?

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01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 3: Hey, So I was having an argument on Twitter.

1395
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 4: I know, stupid.

1396
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: We all do it. It's okay. I did it yesterday.

1397
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: I regret it.

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01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 3: They were trying to say that we can move big

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 3: Mike to left tackle. I was trying to tell him

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Speaker 3: that a three hundred and fifty pound Mike and win

1401
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 3: who won't be very good at a position where you

1402
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 3: need to be more agile. But you know, they were

1403
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 3: trying to say I was wrong. So I'm just curious

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01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 3: to see what you guys think about that, because to

1405
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 3: me personally, at least Mike and Win, who is not

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01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 3: a left tackle, he's barely a right tackle. He's a

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01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,919
Speaker 3: very good guard. I'm just curious what you guys think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Matt at don't worry. We

1409
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: all argue on Twitter more than we should. That is

1410
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: that is one of my I try not to.

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01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know why yesterday was different.

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01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm with yeah.

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01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: I mean him at right tackle is already pushing it

1414
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 2: a little bit.

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01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: He's just not a left tackle.

1416
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: Honestly, when they tried to play him at left guard,

1417
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: he kind of struggled a little bit with that too.

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01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: I think he's the right side of the line player.

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01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: That's just where he prefers to play, it seems like,

1420
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: and where they prefer to play him. So no, not

1421
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: a left tackle. The other question that the caller before

1422
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: asked us about you Bell right his role in the offense.

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01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Bell, I'm not expecting a ton from Bell

1424
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: out of the gate. He gives the coaching staff an

1425
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: opportunity to get really creative and try some different things

1426
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: because he's not a traditional fight end. He's more of

1427
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: an h back move, tight end, fall back, that kind

1428
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: of thing, and that's a role you build on. But

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01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: I also wonder if the coaching staff, because there are

1430
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: so many new pieces, wants to get the base of

1431
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: the offense down first. Bell's the kind of guy whose

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01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: role grows as the year goes on. Yeah, so I'm

1433
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: not gonna be super worried if we don't see a

1434
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: ton from him early on, but like again, it's gonna

1435
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: be kind of he's never gonna be, you know, a

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01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: seventy percent used to drake guy. He's probably gonna hang

1437
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: around forty percent, and it's gonna be kind of not

1438
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: gadget plays, but like a little gimmicky, and you kind

1439
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: of want to build out your core offense first. Before

1440
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: you get to that. They will have an opportunity to

1441
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: get creative, and I think getting him in the mix

1442
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: as you go on throughout the year would be good. Yeah,

1443
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a quiet

1444
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: start and his push comes a little later on.

1445
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and look, he's a seventh round pick.

1446
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you're not expecting you

1447
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 2: shouldn't have to. I agree that almost like Pop Douglas,

1448
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: He's not a normal seventh round pick. Pop was a

1449
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: sixth round pick because he went to a small school

1450
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: and because of his size. Right, yea, Jane Bell fell

1451
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: through the crass because what is he? Is he a

1452
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 2: full back? Is he an h back? Is he a

1453
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: tight end? Is he a receiver? Is he running back? Like, yeah,

1454
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: the versatility is great, but a lot of NFL teams

1455
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: are gonna be stressed out by the versatility and like,

1456
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: we don't know where to what to actually do with

1457
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: this guy. The way that to me, where Jahem Bell

1458
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: gets on the field early is in like two tight

1459
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: end packages. If they want a more explosive ball carrier

1460
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 2: on some of the things near the line of scrimmage,

1461
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: you know, a slide route, dumps in the flats, like

1462
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 2: off those bootleg actions and play action plays. If they

1463
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: feel like you know, Austin Hooper, Hunter Henry really solid

1464
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: players at what they do and where they're gonna fit,

1465
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: but they feel like they just need a little bit

1466
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: more juice out of that spot, then that's Jaheen Bell's

1467
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: best path to the roster. I was excited about some

1468
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: of the things he did in the preseason because those

1469
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: were the types of routes he was running, you know,

1470
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: crossing route from Joe Milton over the middle, a little

1471
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 2: dump off in the flat from Drake may for eleven

1472
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: yards like those are the types of players that are

1473
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 2: gonna get him on an NFL roster and like stick

1474
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 2: in the league. So I'm still excited about Jaim Bell,

1475
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: but I'm with you, it's it's probably going to be

1476
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 2: a little bit slower. I want I want to answer

1477
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 2: some of these emails now too, and then we'll do

1478
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 2: our our predictions for the year. Question from David here

1479
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: in Madrid about the differences between the Mayo Covington defense

1480
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: and the and the Belichick defense, I would just call

1481
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 2: us back in like two or three weeks, like give

1482
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: us some regular season games to look at. I think

1483
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 2: we were a little bit early for that. It's a

1484
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: really good question, and I'm looking forward to digging into it.

1485
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: We'd actually see the Mayo yeah.

1486
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: Right, we don't know one hundred percent. The one thing

1487
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: I will say is that I do feel like they're

1488
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: going to try to get vertical a little bit more

1489
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 2: on the line of scrimmage. Like, I don't think they're

1490
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: going to be quite as two gap heavy, not.

1491
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: Is focused on contained. I think they're going to be

1492
01:07:59,320 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: more aggressive.

1493
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which I like, especially for some of those

1494
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: players that they have, you know, O'Shane Zemenez, josh U

1495
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 2: Ja Like uj just feels so out of place trying

1496
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: to be that kind of guy that contains at the

1497
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: edge player. If they're gonna get him back to twenty

1498
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,839
Speaker 2: twenty two josh U j then it's gonna be slim

1499
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: back down, be the finesse rusher that got in his

1500
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 2: ears back. Yeah, and let him pin in his ears back.

1501
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, like, if they are gonna do that,

1502
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is not a bad test because he's not

1503
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: a statue. But he's also not a guy that you

1504
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: have to worry about taking off and running a ton,

1505
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: especially coming off an injury. He's not going on to

1506
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: take hits. You can lose contain on Joe Burrow and

1507
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: it won't. The Patriots won't lose this game because they

1508
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: lost contain on Joe Burrow. Let's put it that way.

1509
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did run for a third down conversion in

1510
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 2: the game a couple of years ago, but it was

1511
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: like third and four that he picked up like eight yards.

1512
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: He's not a runner.

1513
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: He's not immobile, like he's not a statue, but he's

1514
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: not really a runner either. I wouldn't say with Burrow right.

1515
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: This question from Carlos Los Pats.

1516
01:08:59,680 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: Look.

1517
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 2: He asked about Gerard Mayo's appearance on Devon Godshaw's podcast.

1518
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 2: I didn't get to listen to the whole podcast yet,

1519
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: but I did hear on Twitter. I saw some of

1520
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 2: the quotes and some of the snippets, and this was

1521
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 2: a quote from Mayo, which is just music to my ears,

1522
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: because you know how much I love these kind of quarterbacks.

1523
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 2: This is Mayo talking the game has changed with the

1524
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: extended plays, dual threat. I'm not talking about Michael Vick.

1525
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 2: I'm talking about just extending plays. If you have that

1526
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 2: skill set. To me, that's the most important thing. So

1527
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 2: to Mayo, he's a defensive guy. And the two ways

1528
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: that I always look at it are one through the

1529
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 2: prism of the defense, like what would you not want

1530
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: to defend the most, like what's the hardest thing to defend?

1531
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,839
Speaker 2: The other thing is through the prism of the offensive

1532
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: coordinator or the play caller, which is you don't want

1533
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 2: to have any physical limitations with the quarterback where you're

1534
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: thinking to yourself, we can't call this play because he

1535
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: can't make that throw. Like, you don't want to have

1536
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: to think like that if you're a coordinator. May to

1537
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: me has always checked both those boxes where he's got

1538
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: the off script stuff that Mayo was talking about with

1539
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: Gotcha that makes defensive coordinators just stay up late at

1540
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 2: night because they're like, well, we could have the original

1541
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: play on this third and eight covered correctly, and then

1542
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he breaks contain, gets outside the

1543
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 2: pocket and makes something stupid happen, and now all of

1544
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 2: a sudden they're still on the field. Those are the

1545
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 2: plays that he can make. We saw it a little bit,

1546
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 2: you know, obviously got called back, but we saw it

1547
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 2: a little bit in the Washington game, and it's good

1548
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 2: to hear that from Meo. Now, Carlos says that he

1549
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: feels like this is Mayo saying that Drake may could

1550
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: start right away, and he still feels like Drake that

1551
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 2: Drod Mayo would have started Drake on Sunday and maybe

1552
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, Elliot Wolf and some of the

1553
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: other people in the organization push back on that. Dude,

1554
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 2: where do you fall on that?

1555
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: No, because it's a big picture thought, it's not. Yeah,

1556
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: I guess I'd say it's a big picture of philosophy thought,

1557
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: not week one. He can believe that's what you need

1558
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: from a quarterback and also believe it's best for rookie

1559
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: quarterbacks not start right away, like both those things can

1560
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: be true.

1561
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's his thought here with god Shaw is

1562
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 2: more of like a draft philosophy in terms of skill

1563
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: set and like evaluating the player. We don't know what's

1564
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: going on behind closed doors with why Drake May isn't

1565
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: playing yet they've told us that it's mostly mental. It's

1566
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 2: you know, making checks at the line of scrimmage, knowing

1567
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 2: how to handle protections and pressure packages and all that

1568
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Obviously, we all feel that some of

1569
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 2: it has to do with what's going to be around him.

1570
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: That's a factor in all of this. You don't want

1571
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: him to get in there and play playground football too often,

1572
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: Like you want that to be when the cape comes

1573
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 2: on and he's got to but you don't want that

1574
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: to be like, the basis of the offense is Drake

1575
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 2: may just running around like a chicken and trying to

1576
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 2: find something and do something with the ball, because that's

1577
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: not a good habit to start that that's all that

1578
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 2: he's good at. I'll just give you an example that

1579
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,759
Speaker 2: to me is Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson with the Jets

1580
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 2: had these moments where he'd make some crazy out of

1581
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,839
Speaker 2: structure throws down the field. He couldn't hit the broadside

1582
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 2: of a barn in the pocket right like that.

1583
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: That was the issue.

1584
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 2: And if you can't be an in structure thrower first

1585
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: and then improviser second, then it's really difficult to make.

1586
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: Problem is you can't even the greats can't make those

1587
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: improvate improvisational throws on a regular enough basis. Mahomes is

1588
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: probably the closest, but like Zach Wilson would try to

1589
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: improvise and throw the ball with Devin McCarty four times

1590
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: in again like a freaking arm pun.

1591
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So that's where I stand on that.

1592
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 2: Another question here, Oh we don't really talk about this

1593
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: stuff a ton on this show, but I just got

1594
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: to get something off my chest. Cut about this so

1595
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: they must have been talking about this on Unfiltered.

1596
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: Not the IU contract. No, all right, I'm talking about that.

1597
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 2: One full disclosure. I wasn't on Unfiltered for the whole show,

1598
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 2: so I'm not one hundred percent sure. But this was

1599
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 2: about Bill Belichick. And now he's on Instagram. Now he's

1600
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 2: got seventeen meters jobs and all this kind of stuff,

1601
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna lie to you, Alex. A part

1602
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: of me feels like it's a little hypocritical, like just

1603
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 2: a little bit, and I'm going go live your best life, right,

1604
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: like I go live your best life. Just go live

1605
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 2: your best life, Bill. But at the same time, it

1606
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: does feel as a media person, it feels a little

1607
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 2: hypocritical because he could not have looked down on the media,

1608
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: especially the local media, more than that human being did.

1609
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 2: Like nobody could top Bill Belichick's I wouldn't call it

1610
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 2: necessarily disdain, but just like no interest whatsoever in the

1611
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,839
Speaker 2: media and what we did. And now all of a sudden,

1612
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 2: he's on inside the NFL, he's on with McAfee, he's

1613
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: gonna be on with the Mannings, He's on Instagram, He's

1614
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 2: on all those types of things. It hurts a little bit.

1615
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 2: It hurts my feelings just a little bit.

1616
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: I'm not colle things. First off, you've never seen somebody

1617
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: have like a total uh. You've never seen one of

1618
01:13:58,280 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: your friends pull like a total one to eighty after

1619
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: break up and just completely reinvent themselves. It's possible, right

1620
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: look at me. Look look, oh you didn't think I

1621
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: could do this? Look where I'm at. As for the

1622
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: social media thing, like, look, I'm not Bill Belichick, I

1623
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 1: don't mean to say that, but like I don't love

1624
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: social media. I don't love using it Twitter. I've always

1625
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: kind of known I needed I use I never had

1626
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: any interest in getting Instagram. I still don't like it.

1627
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: But at one point one of my employers was like,

1628
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna work in media, you need Instagram. If like

1629
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's on Instagram because one of his employers, like

1630
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 1: Underdog or whoever, said you need to be on Instagram

1631
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: to promote the show Bill's not doing. He recorded that

1632
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: little intro video, That's the last time he's ever gonna

1633
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: see that thing. That's my guess is they will post

1634
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: clips from his show. There will be pre planned things

1635
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: that are put out there that is not run by him.

1636
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: If I see Bill Belichick doing you know, Instagram stories

1637
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: where he's holding the phone up and doing selfies and like, oh,

1638
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm out getting a burrito bowl, Like yeah, then I'd

1639
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: kind of call that a little hypocritical. But if you're

1640
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: gonna work in media, the reality is you need social

1641
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: media because that's where all the stuff's promoted. That's how

1642
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: you get to people. Somebody else is gonna run that

1643
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: for him. That I don't find hypocritical.

1644
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: I don't find then I have no problem with the

1645
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: social media aspect. The problem that I have with with

1646
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 2: what he's been doing is that is more so like

1647
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 2: I understand that this is a little inside baseball and

1648
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 2: nobody actually cares about our feelings, and that's totally fine.

1649
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is is that he was fought out,

1650
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: difficult to deal with like he was it was difficult

1651
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 2: to do your job.

1652
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: Here's the thing I would care about if he went

1653
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: out and did a bad job, that would annoy the

1654
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: crap out of me. Yeah, because it's like, you're Bill Belichick.

1655
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: You have more knowledge on this subject than anybody. You're

1656
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: now in a position to share that knowledge more than

1657
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,799
Speaker 1: you were because obviously he's not gonna share his complete

1658
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: knowledge when he's coaching the team. That's his advantage. He's

1659
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: not gonna give that advantage away outside of maybe you know,

1660
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: little blips here and there. I loved when they did

1661
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: the NFL hundred year team that was on. That's one

1662
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: of my favorite pieces. I'll check content, but.

1663
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 2: He's he's good at it, Like he's been trying to

1664
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 2: sit here and I don't think he's press conference.

1665
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 1: Bill on TV Guy segment they did on Around the

1666
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: NFL is awesome. Yeah, that was great, Like give me

1667
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: more of that. If he was gonna come out and

1668
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: be cookie cutter and like not be himself, I would

1669
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: be annoyed by it. So far, everything I've seen from him,

1670
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: I've really liked. And he's been different between different shows too.

1671
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: And this is where I feel like I can relate

1672
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: to him a little bit. Because few people are doing

1673
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: more podcasts than I am. Bill Belichick is on the

1674
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: list and part of the key of it. You talked

1675
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: in the open how you liked how I did the

1676
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: move the micro fund away thing. Shout out to the

1677
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: dedicated listeners who noticed I also did that on Patriots

1678
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: Be and I try not to do that. I liked

1679
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: that bit, so I brought it over. But you gotta

1680
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: find a fine line between you don't want to be

1681
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: changing your takes and changing your on air persona between shows,

1682
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: but you can't have every show be the same thing

1683
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: because then people won't tune in. So far it's early,

1684
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: I would say he's done a very good job of that,

1685
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: and I can attack. I'm not trying to. I know, Oh,

1686
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: you're not Bill in this sense. I think I do

1687
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a right to compare myself

1688
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: to him. It's not easy to do that. So far,

1689
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: he's done it. You can tell me of going off

1690
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: the deep beend there, but I think it's fair to

1691
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: make that comparison.

1692
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 2: You do wear a podcast than anybody I know. That's

1693
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: that's for sure. And except Bill. Now, well, I'm not

1694
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 2: gonna sit here and act like I really know Bill.

1695
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 1: So I know he's got the hang on, He's got

1696
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: the Underdog show and podcast shows. Obviously, these shows are

1697
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: much bigger inside the shows that I do. But if

1698
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: we're talking pure volume inside the NFL Manning Cast Underdog,

1699
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a fourth one too that I'm Oh,

1700
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: he just added thirty third team.

1701
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I your volume. I mean, how the

1702
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 2: tables have turned. Yeah, now, all of a sudden, the

1703
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 2: media ain't so bad when they're paying you. Huh, that's

1704
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 2: how it works.

1705
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, I have this Patriots Beat Sports Hub Patriots Podcast

1706
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: Sunday Morning show. All right, we're like neck for neck there.

1707
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: I might have to add this show to get back.

1708
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 2: Out of just, you know, stroke your ego a little

1709
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: bit more over.

1710
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: Not an egos.

1711
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, all right, all right, I digress about Bill.

1712
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: He does a good job for the most part, and

1713
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 2: I I really do believe that this is a likability thing.

1714
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: He is trying to repair his image. I don't think

1715
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna do this forever. I really believe he'll be

1716
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 2: back in coaching next year. One of these teams, Eagles, Cowboys,

1717
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 2: maybe Buffalo are gonna fire their coach because they have

1718
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 2: a bad season and or you know, don't Cowboys don't

1719
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 2: meet expectations, and they'll hire Bill because there'll be one

1720
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 2: year Jerry Jones, like eighty something years old. He's gonna

1721
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 2: want to chase a ring before he gives it up.

1722
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 2: And my guess is that that's the way it will go.

1723
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 2: But it is interesting because he I didn't think that

1724
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 2: this is the route that Bill would take.

1725
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: I didn't. I thought there'd be something I thought he

1726
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: would do, like a like inside the NFL, like one

1727
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 1: show or maybe like a one like something with NFL

1728
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: films where it's not like a regular show.

1729
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: But it's like his shit, like a detail all type thing.

1730
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like once a month, every other week he'd come

1731
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: on and it would just be like loose format. I

1732
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: did not think he was gonna be all over the

1733
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: place like this. I didn't. All right, although sorry, you know,

1734
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: I tell you because he it tells me he's not

1735
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: done with coaching. Because part of the reason I thought

1736
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: he'd only do one thing is I thought he'd want

1737
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: to enjoy retirement. To me, in my mind, he's not

1738
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: remotely close to retire.

1739
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 2: No, No, if he wanted to enjoy retirement, he would

1740
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 2: have just walked off into the sunsight.

1741
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 1: But he didn't do that. But it would have really

1742
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: been really easy for him to walk off into sunset

1743
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: now and say, all right, I'm gonna take the year off,

1744
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: see how I feel, and depending on how I feel,

1745
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: come back to coaching. He's trying to stay as involved

1746
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: as much as possible.

1747
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is definitely an image thing, like he wants

1748
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 2: to repair his image. Oh look, I you know, this

1749
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 2: is what I'm actually like. You know, I'm I'm a

1750
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 2: likable guy. You know I can have fun. I can,

1751
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 2: you know, let my hair down a little bit.

1752
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1753
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the stoic press conference bill is that that's a

1754
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 2: different version of building what happens behind closed doors.

1755
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: So now he's wild. Next year when he's back coaching,

1756
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: to see him go back into that mode. Yeah, it was.

1757
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: This bill is not coming when he goes and coaches.

1758
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: This bill is temporary. Yeah, agreed.

1759
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk some big picture league stuff and

1760
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 2: Patriots stuff. So what I what we did was we

1761
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: have a couple of categories here, m VP, Rookie of

1762
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 2: the Year, Breakout Player of the Year, and biggest disappointment.

1763
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 2: Uh for we're gonna do Patriots and then we're gonna

1764
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 2: do the whole league. Right, We're gonna do both. Okay,

1765
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 2: so let's start with Patriots MVP. Who do you got

1766
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 2: so the most valuable players?

1767
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: David Andrews. If we're gonna do that, like he's the

1768
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 1: player they can least afford to you to lose. I

1769
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: think the best player is going to be Gonzalez. I

1770
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: actually think he's gonna bounce back. I think he's gonna

1771
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: have a really good year.

1772
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: Okay, this is gonna surprise you.

1773
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: I went through andre I that's a good one.

1774
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 2: I understand a lot of It's gonna be the offensive line.

1775
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: If he doesn't have the blocking, it's gonna it's I'm

1776
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 2: gonna be totally wrong. It's gonna look like last year

1777
01:20:58,160 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff.

1778
01:20:59,640 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: But I.

1779
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: Just feel like he's poised for a decent year and

1780
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna get so much volume that at the end

1781
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 2: of the year, he's gonna be over a thousand with

1782
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 2: you know, some touchdowns and things like that.

1783
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: So I want to push back on the volume thing.

1784
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: You know how I feel about this. Yes, do not

1785
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: run ramondra Stevenson into the ground. Don't do it again.

1786
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 1: He has talked about how the workload was too much.

1787
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: You saw it's fitting Bengals week. We're talking about this.

1788
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: After that fumble. He talked about being worn down by

1789
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: the workload he had that year, and I'm just using

1790
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 1: I'm just saying this for round numbers. I think Remondri.

1791
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: You were gonna get more out of vermondre Stevenson giving

1792
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: you two hundred touches, yeah, than you are out of

1793
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: Vermandra Stevenson giving you two hundred and fifty. It's gonna

1794
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 1: be fresher. He's even more explosive. I'm talking about, can

1795
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: you find four to five touches a game that can

1796
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: go elsewhere? Antonio Gibson is as good of a back

1797
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: as they've had since Damien Harris left. He might be better.

1798
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: I like that. I'm very high on Damien Harris. But

1799
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: you have a good left hook, you have a good

1800
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: second option keeper Mandra around fifteen to twenty touches per

1801
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: game rather than twenty five, and I think it would

1802
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: will be absolutely worth it in the long run. I

1803
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: still think he could be the team MVP with those

1804
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: lesser touches because he's gonna be more explosive and he's

1805
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: gonna be make more out of the touches he has.

1806
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: But Evan, we go through this every single year.

1807
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: This is your Roman Empire, and I'm right. I'm not

1808
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 2: saying you're run.

1809
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: And I'm right. I would like to think in Cleveland,

1810
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: Van Pelt and that coaching staff did a great job.

1811
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: Now Chubb suffered a freak injury, and that happens with

1812
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: running backs. They right, you can't guarantee they saley, but

1813
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: they would even go down. They was named Felton. Yeah,

1814
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: they would goal like three four backs deep. They would

1815
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: run three four deep. Dearness Johnson, AAF legend, Darness Johnson.

1816
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: They would run three four backs deep every week and

1817
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't an equal distribution, but they did a very

1818
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: good job of keeping your backs fresh. The teams didn't

1819
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: rely on Bell cow backs to be competitive. They are,

1820
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: they're they're good, but they always fall off in December.

1821
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: Whether it was the Cowboys with Zeke, whether it was

1822
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: the Titans with Derrick Henry. I'm gonna kind of put

1823
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 1: the Ravens in here because Lamar carries a big load

1824
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: in that running game and he would get beat up.

1825
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: Those teams always fall off late because the NFL is

1826
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: too physical to truly dominate start to finish with the

1827
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: Bell cow back anymore. You it can't be done. You can.

1828
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: I think you can dominate running the ball, and we

1829
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: disagree there. I think you can dominate running the ball,

1830
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 1: but it's got to be by committee. And I would

1831
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: hope the Patriots embrace that this year and we get

1832
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: to see the best of Hermandre Stevenson.

1833
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 2: I'm still with that being said.

1834
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: Two hundred touches in a lot, No, he's still gonna

1835
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: have a lot. To fifteen instead of top five in

1836
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 1: touches is basically what I'm asking.

1837
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 2: Fair enough, they're gonna try to run the ball.

1838
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,799
Speaker 1: They're try to run the ball, but they got multiple

1839
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: backs and you got end rounds with Pop Douglas and

1840
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: Drake may in factor in the run game. Once he's

1841
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: in there, it doesn't all have to be handoffs tom

1842
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 1: Andre Stevenson, and it doesn't have to be And I

1843
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: don't know how many games they'll be up in like this,

1844
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: but Evan, you know that you called this my Roman Empire.

1845
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: The Roman Empire is the thing. The Roman Empire. Roman

1846
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 1: Empire is that twenty twenty two game against the Lions.

1847
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 1: Why where they're up, where they're up multiple scores, like

1848
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: three minutes to go, and it's half back dive to

1849
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: Ramondre Stevenson when Kevin Harris is right there. Ramondre does

1850
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 1: not need to be taking those hits. You need to

1851
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: trust another back enough to kind of take the less

1852
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: important carries and save Ramondre Stevens in for when it matters.

1853
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 2: So a more efficient potentially Ramondre Stevenson. I think he's

1854
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 2: poised for a big year, and like I said, I

1855
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 2: still think he can have a big year. This is

1856
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 2: not me saying play Remondre unless he sucks. This is

1857
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 2: just me saying, be.

1858
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: Mindful of the workload you're putting on on on him

1859
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: over the course of the season.

1860
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 2: Fair enough. I love that take from you. Who's your

1861
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 2: league MVP this year?

1862
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson?

1863
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 2: Back to back?

1864
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: Yep, back to back? And I think that the addition

1865
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 1: of are we doing Super Bowl picks too?

1866
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 2: We can if come on, I did division. I didn't

1867
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 2: think about this.

1868
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:07,600
Speaker 1: The addition of Derrick Henry is so important in Baltimore,

1869
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: so important because the big issue for people talk about

1870
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: Lamar is like he can't win games late in the

1871
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 1: season and he can't win playoff games and he hasn't.

1872
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's it's unfair, but.

1873
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 2: The AFC Championship Game last year and.

1874
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: He lost and people get on him for not being

1875
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: a big game. Am I wrong in saying that narrative exists?

1876
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 1: It does so but I think he's different than your

1877
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,560
Speaker 1: average like Choker, than your average like Peyton Manning or

1878
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: Josh Allen because he does I love Josh Allen.

1879
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 2: What big game is?

1880
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is sorry, No, I'm sorry, you tell him.

1881
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: I'll sit here and wait, you tell me what big game.

1882
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's wont to just finish the take. This is

1883
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: a regular season award. By the way, I think it's different. Well,

1884
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna get I said, want to do super Bowl picks.

1885
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 1: We're gonna get with with Lamar Jackson is different because

1886
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: he takes so much more of a physical toll and

1887
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the times when the Ravens get late

1888
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: in the year, he's just beat up or not even playing.

1889
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: They had Tyler Huntley's start a playoff game, yeah, last year,

1890
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 1: two years ago, whatever it was. Derrick Henry can now

1891
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: take a huge part of that beating. And I think

1892
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna see this goes back to my take with

1893
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: with with Ramondre kind of. I think you're gonna be

1894
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: see Lamar Jackson be a lot more efficient this year,

1895
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: and I think you're gonna see him do more as

1896
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: a passer. And I just think he I love the

1897
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: setup they have for him. And you know me, I

1898
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 1: was not always a big Lamar Jackson fan. Yeah, I

1899
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: love the set. Talk about building it around your quarterback.

1900
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 1: I love the setup they have for him.

1901
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 2: Right, I'm a little skeptical, and we'll see tonight. I'm

1902
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 2: a little skeptical.

1903
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: So I also this should be your take. The other

1904
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: reason I really like this. Yeah, Zay Flowers year two,

1905
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, big jump hear two.

1906
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little skeptical of Derrick Henry in this offense.

1907
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. Dereck Henry to me,

1908
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 2: is quarterback hunder center, Derek Henry eight yards in the backfield,

1909
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 2: turn it around and hand it off. They run their

1910
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: offense in Baltimore out of the shotgun.

1911
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: They run out of pistol there Mount.

1912
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they run some pistol. But there you're asking, like

1913
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 2: a two hundred and forty pound Derrick Henry to start

1914
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 2: from his standstill now and not have that run up

1915
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 2: to the line of screens.

1916
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna do less of that.

1917
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 2: So you think you're gonna be under center, no more

1918
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 2: pistol still like you're still pistol. Pistol is still not

1919
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 2: the same run up that.

1920
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna create ways for Derrick Henry to

1921
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: function in this offense. Okay, I hear you. I just

1922
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit of a weird stylistic fit. Yeah.

1923
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 2: Like when I think about the best back for Lamar Jackson,

1924
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: I would definitely think of more of like a spread back,

1925
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 2: you know, like more of a h a guy that's

1926
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 2: gonna be able to operate out of the shotgun.

1927
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,759
Speaker 1: Well, but they still have Justice Hill. Yeah, they added

1928
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: rashiin Ali, who's a rookie who I like, they're gonna

1929
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 1: have opportunities to do those kind of things. I don't

1930
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: think I think Derek Henry's workload is gonna go down,

1931
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 1: but he's just gonna be some of that like quarterback

1932
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: power stuff. Yeah, you can just run with Derek Henry. Also,

1933
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: don't think they're not itching to get the Derrick Henry

1934
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 1: wildcat package, going.

1935
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:56,480
Speaker 2: Oh god, this is okay my MVP of the league.

1936
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I go ahead before the guy that lost all

1937
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: the best players around him on offense. That's why he's

1938
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: gonna win MVP because he's on a worst team, you know,

1939
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, and he lost his Binkie exactly.

1940
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 2: Josh Allen MVP of the league. The reason why he's

1941
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 2: gonna be MVP of the league is because the Bills

1942
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 2: are still gonna be good. He's gonna still be good

1943
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 2: and everybody's gonna say, oh wow, like he loses to

1944
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 2: Van Diggs. He's still great. The Bills are still they

1945
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 2: win the AFC East, they are still eleven wins, and

1946
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's the MVP of the league. He almost won

1947
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 2: MVP last year. He almost won last year, he was

1948
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 2: like third in the voting. He's gonna win MVP this year.

1949
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: He's gonna the league in turnovers.

1950
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 2: I understand that. You know, he doesn't win big games,

1951
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 2: and YadA, YadA, YadA.

1952
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: We're talking about a regular season award.

1953
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: Yea.

1954
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 2: He's gonna have a great regular season this year without Digs,

1955
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 2: and to me, that is going to earn him MVP votes.

1956
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna lead the league in turnovers, which is and

1957
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: should be disqualifying maybe for that award. Maybe. And I

1958
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be better without Digs. I

1959
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: think he's gonna miss Digs tremendously. If you look at

1960
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: what he's been in his career, without digs and without

1961
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: digs a dab he was.

1962
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 2: He was without digs when he was like a rookie

1963
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 2: in his second year. And I just I don't he's

1964
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 2: developed by I also picked this just to piss you off.

1965
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: I know you did.

1966
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't believe in Keon Coleman. I'm with you there,

1967
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 2: But I think Dalton kid is gonna be good.

1968
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 1: I I I don't know that he he can win

1969
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: the m v P. Just thrown a Dalton Kinkaid.

1970
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 2: Well, he's not just gonna throw a Dalton k He's

1971
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 2: kind of just.

1972
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: Throwing a Dalton Kinkaid. All Right, big match a guy.

1973
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 3: No.

1974
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 2: I just if there's a time for Josh Allen to

1975
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 2: win the m v P, it's this year. But this

1976
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 2: is the put up her, shut up here for Josh Allen.

1977
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 2: I'll say that because dig you're acting like he's not done,

1978
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 2: Like he's freaking Jones, like, put up her, shut up?

1979
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: Like well, quarterback in the league for three years.

1980
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: But but why why what makes him a top five quarters?

1981
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 1: He can't beat the other top quarterbacks in the playoffs.

1982
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,440
Speaker 1: He can't beat Joe Burrow, he can't beat Patrick Mahomes

1983
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: like that that's what I he doesn't have digs and

1984
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: it's the last year he's not.

1985
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 2: Gonna have a table literally rooted that you just don't

1986
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 2: like Buffalo.

1987
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 1: This is this is a no Evan. What do you

1988
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: he's he? What is he won?

1989
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 2: There's nothing to do with what he's won. Yes, he

1990
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 2: needs to win the top Jackson.

1991
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: Look over here, over there, you know when he's top

1992
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: five in turnovers turnovers Evans, get him fired up. This

1993
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: is his year. If if he is a big year

1994
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: this year. I put more weight in this year because

1995
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't have digs. Who's Binkie, and he doesn't have

1996
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: day Ball. Who's the only coach who's figuring him out there?

1997
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna get day Ball back next year. I really

1998
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: believe that this is the year.

1999
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 2: Take your your your passion durant out of it. Objectively speaking,

2000
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 2: if you have watched football for the last two to

2001
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 2: three years, you cannot tell me that Josh Allen hasn't

2002
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 2: been one of the league quarterbacks.

2003
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 1: In the league he's led, he's one of the better quarterbacks.

2004
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: He's led league and turners.

2005
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:57,600
Speaker 2: I don't also through a lot of he's signed the nineties.

2006
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 1: In the nineties, I don't put him in the same

2007
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: tier as Mahomes, no one. I don't put him in

2008
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 1: the same tier as Jackson. I don't put the same

2009
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: tier as Burrow.

2010
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:10,679
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that him Burrow Jackson, like those guys

2011
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: to me are in that next tier, like Patrick Mahomes.

2012
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: Those guys beat him, Patrick mahomes s tier. He's by

2013
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: himselfmes by himself, and.

2014
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:22,719
Speaker 2: Then the next tier of quarterbacks would probably be Burrow,

2015
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,799
Speaker 2: Allen Lamar Jackson.

2016
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: I put him separately because he hasn't won the turnovers thing,

2017
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 1: which I know the whole New Nerd thing is, turnovers

2018
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: don't matter.

2019
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 2: It's turnovers don't matter. Quarterbacks. Turnover they don't matter. It

2020
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 2: just doesn't outweigh the fact that he also threw for

2021
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 2: like forty touchdowns like you.

2022
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: Just fantasy football.

2023
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 2: I think that's the only thing that he does.

2024
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: He's a great fantasy football quarterback. I just I those

2025
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: other guys do more in big games than he does.

2026
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 2: I don't deny that. But this is a regular season award,

2027
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 2: That's what I'm telling you. Regular I'm not saying he's

2028
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 2: winning the He's.

2029
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: Not gonna win the MVA, but he's not gonna win

2030
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: the MVP if he lose. I don't know what their

2031
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 1: schedule is this year. I assume they play all these teams.

2032
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: He's not gonna win the MVP this year if he

2033
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: loses to Mahomes, Burrow and Jackson.

2034
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see, all right, we'll see, all right. Rookie

2035
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 2: of the Year for the Patriots. Rookie of the Year

2036
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 2: for the Patriots.

2037
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Jalen Polk just because I mean, like

2038
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: it is Drake May obviously, but like pound for pound,

2039
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk's gonna play seventeen games. He's gonna be dead,

2040
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: He's gonna be heavily involved for seventeen games, assuming he

2041
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 1: stays healthy. He projects me a focal point of the offense.

2042
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: Like I know, Drake May is the easy answer, because realistically,

2043
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: if Drake May does anything short of go out there

2044
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: and puke all over himself. Yeah, they have a quarterback

2045
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: and that's exciting, But do you get what I'm saying

2046
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 1: by that, Like, I don't mean this to knock Drake

2047
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: May or say Drake May is gonna be bad, but

2048
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,639
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk's gonna have more opportunities to produce as a rookie,

2049
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna do it.

2050
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I picked Jim polkan okay, I just feel all

2051
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 2: the same reasons, Like in terms of volume of games,

2052
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna play, an opportunity he's gonna get. It's just

2053
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 2: gonna be more than any of the other rookies like

2054
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 2: Canon Wallace and Javon Baker. I'm not sure going to

2055
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 2: play much at all to start the year, especially but

2056
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 2: maybe even not even late in the year either, Like

2057
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 2: once Drake May gets in there. If you told if

2058
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 2: you told me that Drake May was gonna play twelve games,

2059
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 2: and I would pick Drake May exactly. But if he's

2060
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 2: not going to play twelve games, he's only gonna play eight,

2061
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 2: then it's just hard to envision that he would have

2062
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 2: a bigger impact on the season than Jalen Polk. So

2063
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 2: I picked Jalen Polk as well. For you made the

2064
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 2: case perfectly. That's with Polk Rookie of the Year for

2065
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 2: the NFL.

2066
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: I know this is lazy. I think he's the favorite

2067
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: in most, if not all books. Yeah, Caleb Williams, Yeah,

2068
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: I just I don't remember the last time a rookie

2069
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 1: quarterback went into his situation that good. The only one

2070
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:44,919
Speaker 1: I can think of, honestly would have been J. J. McCarthy,

2071
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 1: but he's hurt, so uh. He's got three great receivers,

2072
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 1: solid offensive line. It's not great, but a solid offensive line.

2073
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: They've built that thing up over the last few years.

2074
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:57,799
Speaker 1: They're gonna win some games. The defense is competitive. Caleb Williams.

2075
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 1: I guess if I had to go, like I don't

2076
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: want to give the obvious one, yeah I would, I

2077
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 1: would think Caleb Williams. My sleeper for this is Xavier Worthy.

2078
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 1: Xavior Worthy could be like a twelve hundred yard receiver

2079
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,520
Speaker 1: of everything that's right, stay as healthy. Yeah.

2080
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 2: I picked Caleb as well for basically all the same

2081
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 2: reasons too. I I just he's already at a baseline now.

2082
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 2: I feel like that's good enough to be an NFL quarterback,

2083
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 2: and he's got so many weapons to work with in Chicago.

2084
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 2: It would have to he would have to get hurt

2085
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 2: at this point.

2086
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 1: I really can I add this, though, Yes, Caleb Williams

2087
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: will win Rookie of the Year. Caleb Williams will not

2088
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 1: be the best rookie on his team. Real madoons it'd

2089
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: be better. Tory Taylor.

2090
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 2: Tory Taylor.

2091
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 1: Tory Taylor is so freaking good.

2092
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 2: What do you pull that out of you?

2093
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 3: What do you mean?

2094
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 1: Where do you think we're not gonna bring up Tory Taylor.

2095
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 1: We're doing a segment about Bears rookies and I'm not

2096
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna bring up Tory Taylor.

2097
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 2: Corey Taylor is going to be better than Caleb Williams

2098
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 2: and Romadoe.

2099
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: We've been through this seven. I do this with the draft, ever,

2100
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: your best player available? What is best player available? Really mean?

2101
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: Is Caleb Williams gonna be top five at his position

2102
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: in the NFL this year? Probably not? You're really good? No,

2103
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: hang on, is Kayler Wings gonna be a top five

2104
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL this year? Probably not. He's good player,

2105
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: but probably not this year because Roma dune' is ain't

2106
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a top five NFL wide receiver this year.

2107
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: Probably actually think he has a better chance being top

2108
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,600
Speaker 1: five than Williams does. But is Tory Taylor going to

2109
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: be a top five punter in the NFL this year?

2110
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 1: He very well could be. Pound for pound, Tory Taylor

2111
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,759
Speaker 1: will be the best. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

2112
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 1: What if Tory Taylor was the best player available in

2113
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: the draft, like six picks in this year.

2114
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 2: Well, what happens if he doesn't punt it all? Because

2115
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 2: the offense is just awesome, that is actually very good. Yeah, exactly.

2116
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 1: So, Well, if we're going off like percentages, Bryce Behinger,

2117
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean, remember Jake Bailey twenty he was really freaking good. Okay,

2118
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: so can we all kind of came away from that

2119
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 1: agreeing pretty much universally that he was the MVP of

2120
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 1: that team.

2121
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 2: So I'll give you one sleeper candidate for Rookie of

2122
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 2: the Year. You're not gonna like it, but I do

2123
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 2: think there's a chance that bo Nicks has like a

2124
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 2: Mac Jones rookie season. I don't know if he'll get

2125
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 2: the wins right, Like that's gonna be the biggest problem,

2126
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 2: and he's not gonna be the best rookie, Like he

2127
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 2: shouldn't win the award. But I do think there's a

2128
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 2: chance that he has like a very good cause that

2129
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,799
Speaker 2: he to me is he's a little bit more athletic

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01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 2: than Mac, but he's the pro ready quarterback.

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01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess I just not that Mac had it. Well,

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01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: Mack didn't win it.

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01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 2: He came in second right. That's kind of how I

2134
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 2: see this happening for Bonnicks.

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01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: I just don't trust anything around Nick.

2136
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 2: To elevator, Yeah, that's like Compaion's a good coach, but.

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01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:26,599
Speaker 1: Champagne's a good coach. But the line has a ton

2138
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: of questions their best receiver is at this point. I mean,

2139
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,719
Speaker 1: I guess they've Courtland Sutton, but after Courtland Suttland, yeah,

2140
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: it falls off big time. They don't big name tight end.

2141
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 2: Like I'm not buying any bo Nicks stock. But if

2142
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 2: he was like a fine rookie quarterback like Mac was,

2143
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 2: then I would.

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01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: There are gonna be people. No, I think they're gonna

2145
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: people whill come away from this year, saying one in

2146
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 1: the Patriots draft, bon Nicks look at it not realizing

2147
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 1: like there's no upward trajectory. But I don't know that

2148
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 1: he has the pieces around him to win Rookie of

2149
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 1: the Year. Okay, breakout player, breakout player for the Patriots. Yes,

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01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: I am going you go first.

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01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 2: So I don't know if this counts, And I'm gonna

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01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 2: ask you to be my my dutch yar. Does Pop

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01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 2: Douglas count? Because if Pop Douglas stays healthy, I truly

2154
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 2: feel like he could be a thousand yards.

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01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd call it more surprise than breakout because I

2156
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 1: think we'd all be surprised if he stays healthy. But

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01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: he broke out like break out to me implies talent,

2158
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 1: like who takes the biggest leap in talent from the

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01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: year before. And I mean, if Pop Douglas breaks out

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01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 1: like as what I would consider a breakout year, you're

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01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:28,839
Speaker 1: talking about top ten receiver. Yeah, so ke On White.

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01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 2: But I really do consider popping this conversation because what

2163
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 2: he had five fifty, like fifty catches for five hundred

2164
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: yards something around that, it didn't score.

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01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 1: A touchdown the biggest surprise player. But I don't think

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01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: there's any doubts when it comes to his ability. It's

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01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 1: just the yeah, yeah, fair so so breakout to me's ability,

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Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna go Taekwon. No, I'm gonna

2169
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 1: quant to me, is the exact kind of player that

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01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: will qualify for like a breakout year. Nope, I'm gonna

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01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: go ke On White.

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01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 2: I I really just feel like there's a lot riding

2173
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 2: on Keon White being a good player for them, just

2174
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 2: in terms of they need somebody in the front seven

2175
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 2: that can beat a block and get into the backfield.

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01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 2: So not only do I feel like they're gonna be

2177
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 2: focused on trying to scheme him in different ways to

2178
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 2: get free in the past rush I just last year

2179
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 2: definitely felt like for him was like I'm gonna get

2180
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 2: my feet wet, I'm gonna I belong in this league

2181
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 2: now and now in New York two, I'm gonna dominate

2182
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 2: it like now that. Yeah, I think he said that

2183
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 2: in the spring that like last year, he was more

2184
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 2: worried about not screwing up, and now he's more focused

2185
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 2: on beating the person across from him.

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01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with I can't believe I'm gonna buy in.

2187
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 1: We bought in and then we didn't buy in and

2188
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: buying it again not doing taekwon. Alex Austinka, I really

2189
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 1: really liked what I saw from him last year down

2190
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 1: the stretch, Like he was really good and he had

2191
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 1: a really good spring. He didn't have a great summer,

2192
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 1: and I know that kind of cool things off. But

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01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,679
Speaker 1: we talked about Christian Zalez faltering and maybe that being

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01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 1: like kind of a gamer thing. Yeah, I know what

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01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 1: I saw from Alex austin year in December January, and

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01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let I'm not gonna let you know what.

2197
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: What wasn't a bad camp. It just what we set

2198
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 1: the expectations too high is basically where I'm out. He

2199
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 1: set the expectations too high. I'm gonna buy stock in

2200
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 1: what I saw last December January from Alex Austin. I

2201
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 1: think he emerges as like we come out of this year.

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01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance we come out of this year.

2203
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about Travis Hunter and Will

2204
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 1: Johnson in the draft and like could they sneaky go corner,

2205
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 1: Christian Zal Alex Austin, those are your two boundary corners

2206
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 1: you feel good walk it in moving forward. I think

2207
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 1: there's a chance we come out of this year in

2208
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 1: Alex Austin looks like that guy.

2209
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 2: I definitely agree that the bar is set too high

2210
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, he is a solid rotational boundary corner.

2211
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 1: I think he can be a little more than that. Okay,

2212
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: I think he'd be a little Now we were talking

2213
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 1: about him being like him and Gonzalez turning into like

2214
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,639
Speaker 1: the best quarterback TANGI yeah, I don't think he's about

2215
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: to go get the Pats or Tan Contract. You know,

2216
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: we talked about him being the Jason mccordy being that

2217
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:57,760
Speaker 1: third guy. Can he be Malcolm Butler? Can he be

2218
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 1: jac Jackson Logan Ryan, right, or maybe even a little

2219
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: better than that?

2220
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 2: I know I always think of Logan Ryan for some

2221
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 2: reason than that.

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01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 1: I also just was never a big Logan Ryan guy.

2223
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 1: He was always just serviceable, never flashy. But I think

2224
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 1: what's the step above serviceable? Probably Jason mccordy, like good, yeah, okay,

2225
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 1: but Jason mccordy was I guess well, Jason McCarty was

2226
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: a third corner on.

2227
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:21,559
Speaker 2: A team that was very, very noo towards the end

2228
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 2: of the line.

2229
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2230
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:25,799
Speaker 2: So all right, Alex Austin, who's your breakout for the league?

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01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 1: My breakout for you? Go first? On this hand, I

2232
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 1: forgot we were doing this one.

2233
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 2: Come on, like here, I told him last night we

2234
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 2: were doing this. Well, because I picked Josh Allen to

2235
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 2: win MVP, I have to assume that somebody on the

2236
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 2: Bills offense is going to break out to replace the

2237
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,799
Speaker 2: void left by Diggs. So I went with Dalton Kincaid,

2238
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 2: who I don't really love, to be honest with you,

2239
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 2: So I don't feel great about it, but I just

2240
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 2: feel like the ball has to He's just blind love

2241
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 2: of Josh Allen. That's all that.

2242
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: Everybody's getting mad at me for blindly hating Josh Allen.

2243
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: You're doing the same thing but in the other ear. Yeah,

2244
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm just doing it to piss you off.

2245
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 2: Dalton Kincaid, someone's got to get the ball thrown to

2246
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 2: him in Buffalo. I was impressed with him against the

2247
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 2: Patriots last year. I mean, he smoked Kyle Duggar on

2248
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 2: that one play. I wasn't expecting that based off of

2249
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,600
Speaker 2: what I saw in college. Maybe I understold him a

2250
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 2: little bit.

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01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 1: In the draft.

2252
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 2: I just again, it's just more like an opportunity thing.

2253
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 2: Someone's got to catch the ball from Josh Allen. They're

2254
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 2: gonna throw it a ton. So I got Dalton dk.

2255
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: All right, how about this one, Anthony Richardson, I'm so

2256
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: with you on this, I think, And I don't know.

2257
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 1: I was kind of fifty to fifty on Anthony Richardson

2258
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 1: coming out. Yeah. Really, I mean we talked about Drake

2259
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: May as a project, like Anthony richards a real project.

2260
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not like bought in. Sorry to cut you off,

2261
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 2: But I'm not bought in on the Colts as a whole.

2262
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 2: But I'm kind of body on Anthony richards.

2263
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 1: I think on the opposite. I think they put so

2264
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: much talent around Anthony Richardson. Yeah, he's gonna have no

2265
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 1: choice but to be decent. Yeah, and I think he's

2266
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna have an opportunity to grow in real time. And

2267
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance with the pieces now it

2268
01:41:57,479 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 1: might end up being fools gold long term, he could

2269
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 1: break out this year and then kind of plateau. But

2270
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, you look at their wide receivers, man, I

2271
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: mean Josh Downs. We're both really high on Michael Pittman,

2272
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: We're both really high on Mitchell. You add a d

2273
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 1: Mitchell to that. MI pers right, So Alec Pearce is

2274
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 1: still there. I like their tight ends Moley Coxe although

2275
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 1: why am and I see is Adie Mitchell opening on?

2276
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 3: Like?

2277
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think he was playing why

2278
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:25,280
Speaker 1: is he on here? But anyway, yeah, oh, because I'm

2279
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to twenty twenty three colds. I'm an idiots.

2280
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 1: I I I want to make sure I didn't forget anything.

2281
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 2: I got him so frazzled by picking Josh Allen for

2282
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 2: MVP that he's just all over the place.

2283
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah eighty, you had Adie Mitchell, Michael Pittman, Yeah, Moley Cox. Like,

2284
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:42,680
Speaker 1: I think this can be a he's a good offensive line.

2285
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah so I I really like Shane Steiken too. Like,

2286
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the better schemers in the

2287
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 2: NFL on the offense side of the ball. And one

2288
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 2: of the things he's been able to do with those

2289
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 2: quarterbacks like Hurts and Anthony Richardson is he builds an

2290
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 2: offense around mobile quarterbacks, like he will run our po

2291
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 2: he will run different things that get them into space

2292
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 2: and get them their athletic ability to shine. So he's

2293
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 2: a really good schemer. He's one of the best in

2294
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:06,760
Speaker 2: the league in my mind.

2295
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 1: And let me be we're not doing like fantasy football breakouts,

2296
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 1: like take this guy late in the draft. This is

2297
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 1: actual ex's and o's NFL football. We're talking. I think

2298
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: some people in the chat thought we were talking like fantasy.

2299
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 2: So, oh no, we don't do fantasy here. This is

2300
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 2: like who's actually gonna play, well, not who's gonna that.

2301
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: One guy got to read us his fantasy lineup last

2302
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 1: week because he had an awesome team name based on

2303
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: the show that was in.

2304
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 2: That's absolutely right, all right, biggest disappointment this year, just.

2305
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 1: Say Josh Allen to keep the conversation going. No, No,

2306
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going to I'm gonna say, Jim Harbaugh. I'm

2307
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 1: with you on I think so I had my real

2308
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:43,599
Speaker 1: hot take going into the season. I think I started

2309
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 1: giving this in like June, was that Jim Harbaugh would

2310
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: be one and done with the Chargers. Yeah. Now that

2311
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 1: was before the pending punishments from the NCAA came out,

2312
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 1: and that changes the math on it a little bit.

2313
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:58,760
Speaker 1: But I just don't see how that works. I don't

2314
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: see how that works. I already hate most of the

2315
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 1: big movies.

2316
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 2: Just think their roster kind of stinks and no one

2317
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 2: wants to talk about them.

2318
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 1: Not only does their roster stink, but the things they

2319
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: are good at, and I think the roster took them.

2320
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 1: You know, I was high on the Charge in the past.

2321
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 1: I think the roster took a massive blow the things

2322
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 1: they are good at. He's kind of fighting. He doesn't

2323
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 1: want he put Joe Walt it right to backle I

2324
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 1: know what are we doing?

2325
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 2: And he doesn't want justin Herbert to throw the ball.

2326
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 1: Right, He's not and it's not he doesn't want him to.

2327
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 1: He's not going to throw the ball. Like, Herbert's not

2328
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 1: going to throw the ball, not that he's receivers to

2329
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: throw it too, because Harbau doesn't care about receivers. Yeah,

2330
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 1: so you want to call Jim Harbaugh, you want to

2331
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,080
Speaker 1: call it the Chargers, You want to call Justin Herbert, whatever,

2332
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 1: biggest disappointment, whatever the hell's going on out there in LA.

2333
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 2: I could not agree with you more the people that

2334
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,679
Speaker 2: I pick. No, but I disagree with it, Okay, I

2335
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 2: I could not. I cannot understand the the whole. Jim

2336
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 2: Harbaugh is just going to turn the Chargers around. Take Yeah,

2337
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 2: is something that happened a decade ago in San Francisco.

2338
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,679
Speaker 2: Like that's what we're going by, right, Like he hasn't

2339
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 2: been in the NFL in a decade and that and

2340
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 2: that's what we're the team is.

2341
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 1: That was like I don't want to say fluky, but

2342
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:05,799
Speaker 1: like they kind of had lightning in a bottle with Kaepernick.

2343
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,720
Speaker 1: With Kaepernick, yeah, like I don't know how that Colin

2344
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:10,600
Speaker 1: Kepernick had a very unique skill set that was not

2345
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:13,760
Speaker 1: something you can do with Justin Herbert.

2346
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 2: At Michigan, he was able to be an old school

2347
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 2: football team still because they would recruit offensive linemen and

2348
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and they were just bigger, batter, and

2349
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,639
Speaker 2: tougher than every team. They played top three.

2350
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: Offensive line pretty much every year he was there, also

2351
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 1: Connor Stallions.

2352
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 2: But that doesn't work in the NFL, like you can't

2353
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 2: it does. They're the playing field is too even, is

2354
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,639
Speaker 2: my point right, Like you're not gonna be Michigan going

2355
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 2: up against freaking Purdue and just like running them over, right,

2356
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 2: Like that's not gonna happen at this level. So I'm

2357
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 2: totally not sold on Harbad turning the Chargers around, especially

2358
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 2: this year. Like maybe he does it over the course

2359
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 2: of three years, but I'm so shocked by how much

2360
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 2: Chargers buzz there is, Like just because Jim Harbaugh is

2361
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 2: back in the NFL, I don't think.

2362
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets three years. I don't and

2363
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 1: I know those college punishments are pending, but he'll go

2364
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: do media or something like. I'm not totally backing off

2365
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 1: my one and done take, but my take was he's

2366
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 1: gonna do one year with the Charters, can go back

2367
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:07,600
Speaker 1: to college football essentially, you know, kind of pull an

2368
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:09,639
Speaker 1: urban urban myred and go back to college foot. Okay,

2369
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 1: so I guess something. He's gonna pull an urban Meyer. Yeah,

2370
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,559
Speaker 1: one year and then back to I don't think it'll

2371
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,719
Speaker 1: be that bad, but one year and then back to media. Okay.

2372
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 2: Biggest Patriots disappointment?

2373
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 1: Do you have one biggest Patriots disappointment? Am I am?

2374
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 1: I beating a dead horse? If I say the offensive.

2375
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 2: Line, like so I wrote down the offensive line, I mean, yeah,

2376
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 2: the entire offensive line.

2377
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 1: I feel like disappointment implies some elements of surprise or unexpectedness,

2378
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 1: and that's not there. The other one I wrote down

2379
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 1: is Taekwon. I know I'm gonna be disappointed. I know

2380
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:40,559
Speaker 1: he's gonna let me down.

2381
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 2: I know that I just hyped him up all summer long,

2382
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,759
Speaker 2: and I know he's gonna I'm gonna have pie thrown

2383
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 2: in my face. Like you you know that Taekwan is

2384
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 2: not actually breaking out like you just you know that,

2385
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 2: like we all know.

2386
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: I know I need to know that. You know.

2387
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 2: I know it's gonna be disappointing. I'm gonna be sad.

2388
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 2: So I put Tae Kwon my NFL disappointment. Yeah, the

2389
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 2: New York flipping Jets. I think the New York Jets

2390
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 2: are gonna jets so hard. I'm not saying that they're

2391
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 2: gonna necessarily be awful, Like it's not gonna be the situation.

2392
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 1: They won seven games last year without Rogers.

2393
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm not saying they're gonna be awful. Yeah,

2394
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:17,559
Speaker 2: but they're not winning the super Bowl. They're not No, Okay,

2395
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. Like they're not winning the

2396
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 2: super Bowl. They're not gonna be the number one seed

2397
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 2: in the AFC. They're not winning the AFC.

2398
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 1: Eas that's right a screen.

2399
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 2: They are going to be a wild card team. They're

2400
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 2: gonna be disappointing. I just I don't I'm not wishing

2401
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 2: injury on anybody with Rogers or anything like that, but

2402
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 2: we're talking about like a forty forty one year old

2403
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,960
Speaker 2: man coming off of torn achilles. Like, I just they

2404
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,080
Speaker 2: have a ton of roster talent, there's no doubt about it.

2405
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 2: But I just am not sold on that team or

2406
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 2: that coach.

2407
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: I think the Jets are gonna look like a wagon

2408
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:47,559
Speaker 1: in the regular season. I don't know if they're gonna

2409
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 1: have the top overall seed, but they're gonna win I

2410
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:52,760
Speaker 1: think at least twelve games, thirteen games. Everybody's gonna buy

2411
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,240
Speaker 1: in Rogers redemption story. It's gonna look great. And then

2412
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna play like the third placed AFC North team

2413
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 1: in the first round of playoffs. Yeah and loose. That's

2414
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,519
Speaker 1: my prediction for the Jets. They will be a wagon

2415
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 1: in the regular season and then one and done.

2416
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 2: The Jets our entire lifetime have found a way to

2417
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 2: jet at some point. I am not going to believe

2418
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 2: that the Jets are not going to jet.

2419
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 1: They don't, but being jet isn't necessarily like just sucking.

2420
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:21,680
Speaker 1: That to me is more correct like the Bills or

2421
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 1: the Browns or the Lions. The Jets is they got

2422
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:26,840
Speaker 1: to get their fans hopes up before they crush them.

2423
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 1: And this Jets team can't just get their fans hopes

2424
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:31,720
Speaker 1: up by winning four or five games they got. The

2425
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:34,080
Speaker 1: thing with the Jets is the fans hopes will always

2426
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 1: be up before they come down. And the only way

2427
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: they're getting that high up is if they win the division,

2428
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 1: so they will go up. And then the who am

2429
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 1: I looking at here? And that maybe you're to your

2430
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:46,919
Speaker 1: bonicks point rookie Bonnicks in an eight to nine Broncos

2431
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 1: team sneaks in as the seventh wild card or the

2432
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,040
Speaker 1: sixth wild card and goes to New York. It just

2433
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:52,639
Speaker 1: lays a beat down on them.

2434
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:56,719
Speaker 2: That's Jets jetting. All right, we gotta wrap, but really quickly?

2435
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:58,640
Speaker 2: Do you want to just do our division winners like

2436
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 2: kind of rapid fire here? I know we aren't usually

2437
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 2: good at that, but yeah, let's try it.

2438
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 1: Well, we got in here ten minutes late, so that's true.

2439
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: That's true, you know, don't I don't want to keep

2440
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:11,519
Speaker 1: that too late. Yeah, but okay, let's do it good. Well,

2441
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 1: all right, I guess you want to start AFC. So

2442
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 1: I just said I think the Jets, I think it's close.

2443
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 1: I do think the Bills can be there, and maybe

2444
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:21,320
Speaker 1: it comes down to a tiebreaker. I'm not as high

2445
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 1: on Miami. Do you know Miami's record with Mike McDaniel

2446
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 1: against teams that are five hundred finish the year five

2447
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 1: hundred or better?

2448
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:28,679
Speaker 2: Wait say that again.

2449
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,719
Speaker 1: Under Mike McDaniel last two years, what is the Dolphins

2450
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 1: record against teams that finished the year five hundred? Oh,

2451
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,600
Speaker 1: it's terrible. It's five and ten yeah, So I'm not

2452
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 1: counting on the Dolphins because they're gonna have a harder schedule

2453
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,599
Speaker 1: this year. I think it's Jets and Bills neck and neck.

2454
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 1: The Jets have kind of had Josh Allen's numbers, so

2455
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 1: maybe that head to head tiebreaker that is true, I'll

2456
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:48,200
Speaker 1: give you that. So I think, you know, do they

2457
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:50,600
Speaker 1: both do they both win twelve games? Maybe? But I

2458
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 1: think the Jets win the division close.

2459
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 2: So I know that you are supposed to pick teams

2460
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:57,600
Speaker 2: that didn't win the division last year because that's like

2461
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:00,720
Speaker 2: it never happens two years in a row. But I

2462
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 2: just feel as though the AFC. I just have a

2463
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 2: tough time picking I mean, going against the division winners

2464
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:07,760
Speaker 2: from twenty three.

2465
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: You drooled all over the Bills, like nobody can expected

2466
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 1: to come out and not pick them to win.

2467
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 2: No, I just mean the whole conference, Okay, Like I

2468
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 2: have a tough time seeing it going a different direction

2469
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 2: in every division.

2470
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 1: I think there's only oh no, I think I picked

2471
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 1: all the Yeah. No, I think I did the same

2472
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:21,719
Speaker 1: thing Ravens.

2473
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 2: I got the Bills in the AFC East, Yeah, for

2474
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:27,679
Speaker 2: obvious reasons. In the North, I like the Bengals. Yeah,

2475
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 2: but I do feel as though the vibes are a

2476
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 2: little off in Cincinnati right now with the contracts and

2477
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 2: all the like. Everybody wants their money now. And Jamar

2478
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 2: Chase is he playing? Is he not playing? Is he extended?

2479
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 2: Is he not extended? T Higgins is unhappy he doesn't

2480
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:43,559
Speaker 2: have a deal. I just don't there's too much uncertain

2481
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 2: I will say that I think the Ravens win that division.

2482
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:49,599
Speaker 1: I think that division has three playoff teams, Cleveland being

2483
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 1: the third, Cleveland being the no U oh no, sorry,

2484
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 1: I don't I have two the pit Yeah no.

2485
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 2: Just do that just too Yeah, yeah, I have I

2486
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 2: have Baltimore winning that divis and I just think that

2487
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 2: they're the class of the division right now.

2488
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 1: All right, So let me ask you this. We just

2489
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:04,880
Speaker 1: kind of gave it away. We both picked the Texans,

2490
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:09,719
Speaker 1: we both picked the Chiefs. Which team has the narrowest

2491
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 1: grasp on repeating which team is in the most trouble

2492
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 1: in terms of repeating.

2493
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 2: I would probably say Buffalo, okay, just because I do

2494
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 2: think the Dolphins and the Jets are also to really

2495
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:25,800
Speaker 2: playoff caliber teams. So if they are, if you're right,

2496
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:29,000
Speaker 2: and it goes that direction, But I also feel as

2497
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 2: though the Texans the Texans. Yeah, I think a team

2498
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 2: like the Jaguars could bounce back. So I could see

2499
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 2: the coltsline.

2500
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:40,719
Speaker 1: Like if Richardson's a guy, If Richardson justifies that pick,

2501
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:43,600
Speaker 1: they got a really good roster there. I think the

2502
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 1: Texans are in the most trouble. But I also picked

2503
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 1: the Jets.

2504
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 2: To win, so we had the the AFC repeating, I, oh,

2505
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,960
Speaker 2: you had the Jets instead of Buffalo outside of the Chiefs.

2506
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that the AFC West has a

2507
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 1: team that wins more than five games.

2508
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 2: Right, I mean that's why I said off the top

2509
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:01,559
Speaker 2: that when I picked these for the AFC, I was like,

2510
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you know in this South that

2511
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:06,960
Speaker 2: maybe somebody could push the Texans, But like, in reality,

2512
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 2: the Texans have the best team. Like it's hard to

2513
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 2: im I think the Colts.

2514
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Are kind of right there with them. If but richard

2515
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:15,480
Speaker 1: justifies the pack, right, but Stroud is like already justifiable

2516
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 1: stamp No, So like, if if Richardson looks like a

2517
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:20,720
Speaker 1: quarterback worthy of the top five pick, you get what

2518
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I hear you. Then in my mind, the

2519
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 1: Colts and Texans are kind of equal, okay, if if

2520
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:28,760
Speaker 1: Richardson plays that level, which is no guarantee. I want

2521
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 1: to like the Raiders. I do, and I think Pierce

2522
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 1: was the right higher. That quarterback situation just a disaster.

2523
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:36,680
Speaker 1: And I also think Devonte Adams is totally checked out

2524
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 1: all right. NFC I did have some different teams in

2525
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 1: the NFC. I did too NFC East. I went with

2526
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:42,679
Speaker 1: the Eagles.

2527
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 2: I I don't know what's going on in Dallas, and

2528
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,439
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a DAK guy. You know, I don't

2529
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 2: know what's going on in Dallas. I don't know what

2530
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 2: the heck Jerry Jones is doing down there. It seems

2531
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 2: to me like keeping guys like Dak and Ceedee Lamb

2532
01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 2: and Micaeh Parsons should be an absolute no brainer for

2533
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:01,680
Speaker 2: a team worth as much as the Dallas Cowboys, and

2534
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 2: yet they're making it ten times more difficult than they

2535
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 2: need to. Mike McCarthy is still a giant question mark

2536
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:10,800
Speaker 2: there at head coach. I just like the Eagles a

2537
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 2: little bit better right now.

2538
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't like the vibes in Philly either, though there

2539
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,679
Speaker 1: was that whole thing about Sirianni and Birts didn't get along.

2540
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 1: I know I picked the Cowboys. This is I kind

2541
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 1: of feel the same way about the NFC East they

2542
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: do about the AFC East. Yeah, Bill's Jets, Cowboys, Eagles.

2543
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna come down to the wire. I'll take the

2544
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:27,880
Speaker 1: Cowboys on the fringe. But I'll tell you this, like

2545
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 1: the Jets Cowboys not winning a playoff.

2546
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:34,200
Speaker 2: Game NFC North, this is one of my differences. I'm

2547
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:35,080
Speaker 2: taking the pack.

2548
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 1: Is this the best division in football?

2549
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 2: If Minnesota is like decent, decent with their quarterback situation,

2550
01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 2: than than Yeah.

2551
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,400
Speaker 1: Probably. I took the Packers too. I know you want

2552
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 1: the Lions to implode. I think they take a slight

2553
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 1: step back, not a massive one.

2554
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:52,400
Speaker 2: I don't think they implode, but I'm with you.

2555
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:54,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, they won twelve games last year. I think they're

2556
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:56,479
Speaker 1: probably more like a ten win team. I think the

2557
01:53:56,520 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 1: Packers take a big step. I still think they're one

2558
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:01,680
Speaker 1: step away from like Super Bowl contender. Yeah, but I

2559
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 1: think they win that division. But that that division could

2560
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 1: have should have four teams all over five hundred, assuming

2561
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:10,599
Speaker 1: Darnold doesn't puke all over himself, and we both think

2562
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:11,920
Speaker 1: they should have traded for Mac Jones.

2563
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 2: I I just at some point with the Lions, the

2564
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 2: book will start to get out on the Lions a

2565
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 2: little bit, like Jared gov cannot keep doing this, Like

2566
01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 2: all he does is run play action at a high level,

2567
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 2: and that's that's the only thing that he does well

2568
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:26,240
Speaker 2: at a high level. I should say it's not the

2569
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:27,640
Speaker 2: only thing he does well, which is the only thing

2570
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 2: he does at an elite level. And eventually that that's

2571
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,000
Speaker 2: gonna find It's just like it did with the Rams,

2572
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:33,880
Speaker 2: right where it's like we only have so much of

2573
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:36,360
Speaker 2: a ceiling with this with the situation. So I took

2574
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:38,920
Speaker 2: the Packers. I'm a Jordan love guy. I just love

2575
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 2: what they've built on that roster too. They're just a

2576
01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 2: really good roster building team.

2577
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 1: This was also the division I was thinking three playoff teams,

2578
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:47,920
Speaker 1: NFC Central, not AFC Central North. You mean North, Yeah,

2579
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 1: what year is it?

2580
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, NFC South. I got the Dirty Birds Atlanta Falcons.

2581
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think Baker can match what he did

2582
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 1: Lastually it will be fine. Yeah, but the Falcons have

2583
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:01,440
Speaker 1: a really good football team, even if Kirk Cousins is

2584
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 1: kind of struggling coming off that Achilles. You mentioned Aaron Rodgers.

2585
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:06,360
Speaker 1: You don't know what that looks like. Your boys wait

2586
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 1: in the wings. Michael Pennix might start games this year, Yeake,

2587
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 1: And I like that. I feel good about that. They

2588
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 1: also have a coaching staff that's going to recognize that

2589
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is on the roster. Yeah. As much as

2590
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:18,640
Speaker 1: I make fun of you for for the whole oh

2591
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 1: you're doing Tayekwon again thing, Yeah, I'm the worst with that.

2592
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 1: We don't talk about it because we're a Patriot show.

2593
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 1: I still believe in Kyle Pitts. I hand up. I

2594
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 1: still believe it is September fifth, twenty twenty four. I

2595
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 1: still believe Kyle Pitts can be an elite tight end

2596
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I don't think Arthur Smith knew how

2597
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 1: to use him. Hopefully RhI Morris this new offensive coaching

2598
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:43,160
Speaker 1: staff does. I have the Falcons, then the Bucks. The

2599
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:45,440
Speaker 1: Saints are a sneaky first overall pick team for.

2600
01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, I agree with that. I really feel like

2601
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:51,280
Speaker 2: the Saints are in the at least top five, at

2602
01:55:51,320 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 2: bottom five or whatever you want to like.

2603
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 1: They've been somehow able to hover around five hundred for years,

2604
01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 1: the final few years of Breeze. Post Breeze, you know,

2605
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:03,440
Speaker 1: they've kind of really done a number on the salary

2606
01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: cap things like that. That whole bill has to come

2607
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 1: due eventually.

2608
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 2: So the Falcons. Just to wrap this up, I am

2609
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 2: really bullish on the Falcons, Like everybody else's Drake London,

2610
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 2: Darnell Mooney, Kyle Pitts, Bijon Robinson, Kirk Cousins at quarterback

2611
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:22,520
Speaker 2: or maybe Michael Pennis at quarterback. That is an offense

2612
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 2: then line, it's a good offense and.

2613
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 1: Their defense pretty good. Juna is a great addition for them.

2614
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:32,800
Speaker 1: I still like aj Turrell to find a skill position

2615
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,560
Speaker 1: group better than the Falcons right now, Like they have

2616
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:39,000
Speaker 1: dogs all over that's gonna be everybody's like, oh my

2617
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 1: sneaky super Bowl pitch, Yeah, it's gonna be all right.

2618
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 1: NFC West forty nine ers, Yeah, this this division could

2619
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:48,040
Speaker 1: be sneaky bad. The Rams are one Matthew Stafford injury

2620
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 1: away from Jimmy Garoppolo playing quarterback, and that means they're

2621
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 1: two weeks away from Stetson Bennett playing quarterback. I think

2622
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are headed towards the rebuild, and I just

2623
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:58,360
Speaker 1: still don't believe in the Cardinals. I still don't Harrison

2624
01:56:58,400 --> 01:56:59,680
Speaker 1: doesn't change anything.

2625
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 2: I dude, think the Cardinals could be like sneaky competitive,

2626
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 2: but like it's like an eight to nine sneaky competitive.

2627
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 2: We're not talking about them.

2628
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:09,160
Speaker 1: Actually, the Niners will dominate the regular season as they do,

2629
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 1: and then Kyle Shanahan will have to prove me wrong.

2630
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 2: All right, well it's your super Bowl pick, then.

2631
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:18,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the Chiefs, because I just don't see

2632
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 1: how anybody got better enough to beat the Chiefs. But

2633
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:25,080
Speaker 1: my super Bowl pick is Ravens over Niners. So this

2634
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:27,720
Speaker 1: goes back to my Lamar Jackson take. Yes, I don't

2635
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 1: know that Derek Henry has to be great in Baltimore.

2636
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:32,480
Speaker 1: He just has to absorb hits. Because I think this

2637
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:35,160
Speaker 1: is the first year we're actually gonna see a relatively

2638
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 1: healthy Lamar Jackson in the playoffs, and I think they're

2639
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:40,240
Speaker 1: gonna take advantage of that. I think the Chiefs the

2640
01:57:40,280 --> 01:57:43,840
Speaker 1: Bill's gonna come due for two deep runs. Physically, there's

2641
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 1: a lot to ask there at Their wide receiver room

2642
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 1: is as much of a question as it's been in

2643
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 1: a few years. As much as I like Worthy, I

2644
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:52,440
Speaker 1: think a fully healthy Lamar Jackson plus home field advantage

2645
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:55,680
Speaker 1: puts the Ravens over the top. Kyle Shanahan's gonna beat up.

2646
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't think the Packers are ready. There really isn't

2647
01:57:58,120 --> 01:58:00,000
Speaker 1: another team in the NFC that stands out to me.

2648
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,920
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan's gonna beat up on the Tomato Cans. Get

2649
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:05,560
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, be up fourteen points at halftime,

2650
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 1: puke all over himself. Lamar Jackson gets his ring.

2651
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so I had the same matchup in the Super Bowl. Yeah,

2652
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 2: but Kyle Shanahan finally.

2653
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:18,080
Speaker 1: Seven times the charming, finally charm to that podium nine times.

2654
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 2: The unter Goodell says, here's the Lombardi Trophy.

2655
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:23,840
Speaker 1: Kyle, you finally did It're gonna need it. What's it

2656
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:25,720
Speaker 1: feel like? They're gonna need to take him out of

2657
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:27,600
Speaker 1: the straight jacket in order to give that trophy, because

2658
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to tie him up and put him

2659
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:30,680
Speaker 1: at the back of the bench to make sure he

2660
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:32,120
Speaker 1: can't botch the clock in the second.

2661
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:35,080
Speaker 2: This is the year. This is the year that Kyle

2662
01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:36,760
Speaker 2: Shanahan wins the Super Bowl.

2663
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: I thought last year was this.

2664
01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:39,400
Speaker 2: This is the year. I thought last year was the

2665
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 2: year he was an over half against the second best

2666
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:42,640
Speaker 2: quarterback of all time.

2667
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 1: Okay, it happened. I thought twenty twenty one was the year.

2668
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 1: This is his year. Twenty nineteen was the year he

2669
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 1: I thought twenty sixteen was here. This year Kyle Shanahan

2670
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 1: in the San Francisco forty nine ers over the Baltimore Ravens.

2671
01:58:56,080 --> 01:59:00,200
Speaker 1: I agree with you there, I it's really I don't

2672
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:02,520
Speaker 1: think it's ever happened to three pet right, No, it's

2673
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:05,200
Speaker 1: never happened. I'm not gonna not wins. It's having appearance.

2674
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:05,680
Speaker 1: It's not wins.

2675
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:08,080
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pick that it's gonna happen until it happens.

2676
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean, look like it's gonna be the Chiefs. Nope,

2677
01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 1: nobody got forty nine. Nobody improved enough in the off.

2678
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 2: World champions and my guy, Kyle Shanahan rides off into

2679
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:19,480
Speaker 2: the sunset and you have to eat crow.

2680
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:21,920
Speaker 1: And a year from today we will be sitting here

2681
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:24,640
Speaker 1: after the forty nine ers embarrass themselves again, and Evan

2682
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:27,040
Speaker 1: will be pounding the desk. This is the year for

2683
01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:31,320
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanaham. He'll have paid Rock Party, He'll pay Trean Williams.

2684
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:33,560
Speaker 1: This is the year for Kyle Shit, and it is

2685
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:35,840
Speaker 1: gonna be twenty thirty, and we're still gonna be doing

2686
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:38,440
Speaker 1: the show. This is year. He's only got three years left, Evan.

2687
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis is right there in his rearview mirror, He's

2688
01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 1: only got three years left.

2689
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:44,720
Speaker 2: This is the year I'm taking the Niners.

2690
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:45,320
Speaker 1: Sounds familiar.

2691
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:48,640
Speaker 2: Super Bowl nine or Super Bowl Champs. All right, that

2692
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:50,680
Speaker 2: does it for today? We do?

2693
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 1: Do you want to take this last call? He called, Yeah,

2694
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:53,040
Speaker 1: we will.

2695
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 2: And then well and it's Sean. What's going on?

2696
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:57,480
Speaker 1: Oh?

2697
01:59:57,640 --> 02:00:00,280
Speaker 2: He's calling back in. I think right, we'll get on

2698
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:03,040
Speaker 2: really quickly though this email. We wait for Sean to

2699
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 2: get on the line. Uh, Greg is asking the pictures

2700
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:08,320
Speaker 2: behind me. I looked behind me and you're probably wondering

2701
02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:10,520
Speaker 2: what the hell I was doing. The pictures behind me?

2702
02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:15,480
Speaker 2: Rob Gronkowski not pictured behind me on this wall. And

2703
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 2: this is something that I brought up with with the Boss,

2704
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:21,320
Speaker 2: and I was like, we have Hannah, we have ty Law,

2705
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:25,480
Speaker 2: we have Drew Brees, Drew Brees, tru Bloodsoee, Drew Bloodsoe,

2706
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:31,560
Speaker 2: Richard Seymour, the Goat, Andre Tippett, and Stanley Morgan. And

2707
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:35,600
Speaker 2: I said, we've got to get Gronk on these photos.

2708
02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 2: And I did call Drew bloodsoe, Yeah, but where are

2709
02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:42,800
Speaker 2: you taking off? That was the boss's response, Fred, That

2710
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 2: was his response. All these are all all time great

2711
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:48,080
Speaker 2: Patriots Hall of famers, you know, John Hannah maybe the

2712
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:50,640
Speaker 2: best offensive lineman of all time. It's tough, and maybe

2713
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:52,000
Speaker 2: we could rotate or something.

2714
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:55,040
Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean, maybe you go pass catcher for pass

2715
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 1: catcher Stanley Morgan.

2716
02:00:56,760 --> 02:00:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, offense to the steamer, but I think that

2717
02:00:58,720 --> 02:01:00,240
Speaker 2: that's probably the one you got to take up.

2718
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:02,320
Speaker 1: So you could push. We do have the rescue one

2719
02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:02,840
Speaker 1: back here too.

2720
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:04,400
Speaker 2: Oh see, yeah, I got teddy.

2721
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:06,320
Speaker 1: You could Yeah, there's not a ton of defense. Oh yeah,

2722
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:08,600
Speaker 1: there's three defensive guys. Actually you can kind of like

2723
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:11,840
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. I'm never gonna forgive you that. You can

2724
02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:13,320
Speaker 1: just squeeze them together a little bit more so.

2725
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:15,600
Speaker 2: It's been a long day, all right on the edges here,

2726
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:18,240
Speaker 2: let's take Sean and then we'll wrap it up. What's up, Sean?

2727
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:20,960
Speaker 1: Sean?

2728
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:22,600
Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?

2729
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:28,640
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots should sign Michael Thomas slam boy?

2730
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2731
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,600
Speaker 2: Okay, is that is that all you got?

2732
02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2733
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Sean, Thanks for the call. Uh slam boys?

2734
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:39,920
Speaker 2: Is he still kicking?

2735
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:40,520
Speaker 1: Around like it.

2736
02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 2: When the last time that Michael Thomas this is Saints

2737
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:46,360
Speaker 2: Ohio State. Yeah, Michael Thomas has played in the NFL.

2738
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:46,600
Speaker 4: Well.

2739
02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:48,840
Speaker 1: He was in the headlines recently because he got suspended.

2740
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:50,400
Speaker 1: He's gonna miss the first.

2741
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:52,440
Speaker 2: Week of the season and he's not even on a team.

2742
02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love when freedom's got spended. He apparently played

2743
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:58,880
Speaker 1: in ten games last year, thirty nine passes for four

2744
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:01,960
Speaker 1: and forty eight yards of that. Yeah, No, he's he's

2745
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 1: been so this is one. You know, I love this take, Evan. Yeah,

2746
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:07,160
Speaker 1: the reason the Patriots were able to trade for Brandon

2747
02:02:07,160 --> 02:02:10,520
Speaker 1: Cooks in twenty seventeen was because Cooks and Thomas basically

2748
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:13,600
Speaker 1: didn't get along. They both wanted lion's share of the targets,

2749
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:15,720
Speaker 1: and obviously only one guy can get those. And I

2750
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:17,880
Speaker 1: said it that and this was after Thomas was coming

2751
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:20,720
Speaker 1: off of a massive year. They picked the wrong guy.

2752
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:23,200
Speaker 1: I stand by that take. Everybody called me crazy in

2753
02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:26,200
Speaker 1: the moment. Brandon Cooks is still a perennial thousand yard receiver.

2754
02:02:26,280 --> 02:02:28,320
Speaker 1: He might be a journeyman, but he's a perennial thousand

2755
02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:31,400
Speaker 1: yard receiver. Michael Thomas has become a meme the Saints

2756
02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:33,520
Speaker 1: moved on from the wrong guy. I'm good on Michael Thomas. Yeah,

2757
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:35,120
Speaker 1: thank yeah, I'm with you on that.

2758
02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:37,440
Speaker 2: Remember when they would go through those like the Marius

2759
02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:40,760
Speaker 2: Thomas at the endrif may you know seriously not joking

2760
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:42,720
Speaker 2: around Eric Decker, Yeah, like they used to.

2761
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:45,280
Speaker 1: Bill would do that. Reggie Wayne is kind of the

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Speaker 1: apex of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chada just to go even was like towards the

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Speaker 2: end there, Joey Galloway I think spent the Patriots. All Right,

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Speaker 2: that does it for us here. We will be back

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Speaker 2: next week. We're gonna talk obviously Bengals recap, will look

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Speaker 2: ahead to next week and now we're in regular season

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Speaker 2: actual football to talk about. And like I said off

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Speaker 2: the top of the show, I'm relieved. I am very

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Speaker 2: glad that we don't have to be looking through crystal

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Speaker 2: balls anymore and things like that. So we'll be back

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