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Speaker 2: Yo Draft Day right here from the Star in friscoth
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Speaker 2: on the clock at twelfth. Heck Maharrison is here, I'm
Speaker 2: new he Scruggs. It's just two for now. It just
Speaker 2: it just takes two to make the thing go right.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Yeah, so we'll do that. Let's do it.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 4: We work with the Willie right, that's all we can do.
Speaker 2: Mike Donald says, many are capable, but how many are willing?
Speaker 2: How many old willing?
Speaker 5: Okay, good question, some good question, brother nuiy Yes, yes man.
Speaker 5: How are you feeling on this on this Draft Thursday?
Speaker 5: Another one which how many drafts? Is just for you
Speaker 5: as a media guy. Know, it's like in the it's
Speaker 5: got to be somewhere in the forties thirties.
Speaker 2: Where are you right now? It's in the it's in
Speaker 2: the it's in the upper twenties. Yeah, but the I'm
Speaker 2: not excited. I'm not excited. I'm not excited. Are you serious.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it because it's the draft, but
Speaker 2: I'm not excited because I've come into these before where
Speaker 2: we think there's this consensus. You read most of them
Speaker 2: my drafts, and they'll tell you Troy McMillan, wide receiver, Arizona,
Speaker 2: the Cowboys twelve. I see a lot of those, or
Speaker 2: it hits Matthew Golden. Yeah, that takes me back to
Speaker 2: Patrick's for Tam. A lot of people have the Cowboys
Speaker 2: taken here. They had J. C. Horn. It was it,
Speaker 2: that was it. It didn't happen, No, it just happened.
Speaker 2: And I think this is just me having covered the
Speaker 2: Cowboys so long and knowing that so many people pay
Speaker 2: attention to them, that in some ways you almost feel
Speaker 2: like it pushes up certain players. Here, the Broncos taking
Speaker 2: Certainnaday Defensive Player of the Year last year, the Hiccups
Speaker 2: Carolina almost seemingly out of nowhere, Matt Ruhle, who needed
Speaker 2: a quarterback, takes Horn. So when I see Tech McMillan Golden,
Speaker 2: I'm almost to the point of an air beating, you
Speaker 2: don't think so. I don't think McMillan will be there.
Speaker 5: What if you're in a scenario of all of those
Speaker 5: players being available to you at twelve, you got t
Speaker 5: mac and Golden staring staring at you right in the face.
Speaker 5: And let me make it a little bit even more juicier,
Speaker 5: you have Ashton Genty sitting there also when you get
Speaker 5: ready to pick.
Speaker 2: Okay, so now let me just say it. You're throwing
Speaker 2: the scenario out there. If the scenario is there, the
Speaker 2: gentis there, he's the pick. But I'm going into this,
Speaker 2: I do not believe there are are eleven general managers
Speaker 2: willing to say Ashton Genty is not one of the
Speaker 2: top elem I don't believe that. I also don't believe
Speaker 2: that about Ted Rod McMillan either. I don't think that
Speaker 2: there are I don't think there's gonna be eleven general
Speaker 2: man to say, you know, man, just do it, ain't it.
Speaker 2: He's a good football player. The head coach of Washington, Jetfish,
Speaker 2: who was at Arizona, said, Hey, I was at Jacksonville
Speaker 2: and I went to the Johnny Manziel workout where we
Speaker 2: saw Evans catching passes and Mike Evans, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: is putting up a Hall of Fame resume. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he gets into Canton, but his name will
Speaker 2: be in a conversation where they debated when he starts
Speaker 2: to look at all of his career, the numbers, the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl championship, He's got that there, and Jetfish is
Speaker 2: saying he has those traits, he looks like him. Who's
Speaker 2: the head coach in Jacksonville, Liam Cohen? Where was he
Speaker 2: at Tampa Bay? And it's easy as a offensive head
Speaker 2: coach to come in here and say, hey, man, I
Speaker 2: got this quarterback who we've paid a lot of money to,
Speaker 2: who's eh, maybe I want that. Maybe I can game
Speaker 2: plan around that. So I think Jacksonville could easily take
Speaker 2: a technic millk Now, they've got some other needs, of
Speaker 2: course they do. But if I've invested all this money
Speaker 2: into this quarterback, let me help him out some more
Speaker 2: and help him with a big old target. And if
Speaker 2: I look at the best of Trevor Lawrence at Clemson
Speaker 2: have big targets, Nook.
Speaker 5: I just feel like at the top team of this draft,
Speaker 5: you're going to have a team that's going to make
Speaker 5: a mistake. They always do are they always reach for
Speaker 5: a player that they don't And a lot of times
Speaker 5: I feel like it's just been conventional wisdom that it's
Speaker 5: hard to make a mistake at the top ten because
Speaker 5: of the talent acquisition that you get, you typically getting
Speaker 5: the cream of the crop. But within that top five,
Speaker 5: there are always teams that always come up a little
Speaker 5: bit short of getting a guy that does performer to
Speaker 5: what you believed pre draft what he was. And So
Speaker 5: when I look at the draft this year, especially the
Speaker 5: top twelve, top thirteen teams, I say, who are those
Speaker 5: teams that are one player away from absolutely breaking through?
Speaker 5: And if you go back year over year, it's probably
Speaker 5: that top five last year. I'll give you plast example
Speaker 5: last year. That team, to me were the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 5: The Washington Commanders last season where where they were one
Speaker 5: player away from being able to break through this thing.
Speaker 2: What do they do? They go in and they get
Speaker 2: a quarterback rail sunshine opens up.
Speaker 5: Everything completely changes the trajectory of where that franchise is going.
Speaker 2: Right now, who's that team this year? Stay with what
Speaker 2: you did with Washington. When I went back and I
Speaker 2: looked at their draft, special that they did afterwards and
Speaker 2: they released it. They knew from they knew early on
Speaker 2: Jane Nails our guy, but they played it out like
Speaker 2: they of course they have to, you have And so
Speaker 2: to me, that's where I'm thinking of some of these
Speaker 2: players man teams right at sandback. I remember Joey Bolsa
Speaker 2: went to the Chargers. He was their guy the whole
Speaker 2: time they sandbagged, And so that's why I'm just you know,
Speaker 2: when I keep hearing names to the Cowboys here and
Speaker 2: it's just like, oh, yep, yeah, he's gonna slide Sli's
Speaker 2: almost like play the teams are front.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, go right ahead, go right ahead if
Speaker 5: that's your guy. And I think there's a lot of
Speaker 5: gamesman ship in that. But to the point that I'm
Speaker 5: making that even this season, the Cleveland Browns, to me,
Speaker 5: are that one team in the top five that really
Speaker 5: can't mess this up.
Speaker 2: They can't. They got to get this pick right.
Speaker 5: And if they're able to say, acquire a quarterback, get
Speaker 5: a quarterback, which they absolutely need, you look at all
Speaker 5: the rest of the talent that they have on their roster,
Speaker 5: that's the one team that can push you, propel you
Speaker 5: to that level in the AFC of getting to a
Speaker 5: championship the Cowboys. To me, right now, sitting at twelve,
Speaker 5: there are so many blaring needs for the quarter for
Speaker 5: the Cowboys, And I'm just gonna say it. It's in
Speaker 5: your interior line, it's in your offensive line, it's in
Speaker 5: your defensive line. So when we even talk about a
Speaker 5: t MAC, even when we talk about a Golden I
Speaker 5: understand these guys are very talented. And when you make
Speaker 5: the Mike Evans comp that just makes me go, oh god,
Speaker 5: that's hard to pass up on it. That guy's sitting
Speaker 5: there at twelve. But what about your needs sitting there
Speaker 5: at twelve?
Speaker 2: So they keep on signing offensive linemen? So okay, throw
Speaker 2: bodies at it. Okay, we see that right now, they're
Speaker 2: gonna throw bodies at it. To me, Cleveland, there's if
Speaker 2: cam wored goes number one to Tennessee as expected, Cleveland,
Speaker 2: the card is already it's already filled out. It says
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. There is no other option in my mind.
Speaker 2: In my mind, having watched him play in person and
Speaker 2: spending the kind of time I have around my boy.
Speaker 2: Dennis Thurmant, who was at Colorado and Jackson State, dynamic.
Speaker 2: There's no first off, Tennessee's messing up, might not taking it.
Speaker 2: That's best player to draft.
Speaker 5: Period period, okay, and and and me agreeing with you
Speaker 5: only I'm just trying to push this conversation down the
Speaker 5: road because I understand that he is. But when you're Cleveland,
Speaker 5: if you're if you're Cleveland right now, based off of
Speaker 5: your defensive line, your linebackers, everything that you have, what
Speaker 5: is the one piece that you're gonna need to get
Speaker 5: you past the Pittsburgh's and the Baltimore's of the world.
Speaker 5: Who's going to be the Cincinnaties of the world. It's
Speaker 5: not a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, But.
Speaker 5: But you saw the exact opposite, opposite happen when we
Speaker 5: were just talking about the smmanders.
Speaker 2: So okay, and that guy's not there. Cam Ward's not
Speaker 2: Jayalen Daniels. None of these guys, none of these guys
Speaker 2: in this draft, Sanders, none of these guys are what
Speaker 2: Jay Daniels was. J Dan's Jayden danils a bad man now.
Speaker 5: But see you're using what you've seen from him in
Speaker 5: the pros coming out of college out of LSU. You
Speaker 5: didn't even have him great at that high L s U.
Speaker 2: L s U. I thought he was a baller. Of course,
Speaker 2: of all, I'm around Danny McCrae and around Brian Brown.
Speaker 2: Don't like those guys have any influence on what you
Speaker 2: don't do that today? They don't. The young man, No,
Speaker 2: I like the I like the young man. I mean
Speaker 2: going back to in Arizona State, I mean the guy.
Speaker 2: The guy was a good football player. Caleb Williams to
Speaker 2: me was more of a debate. But to me, between
Speaker 2: Daniels and Drake May, I loved both of those play both.
Speaker 2: To me, both of them like these are two When
Speaker 2: you say franchise guy, draft, that's what you do. Caleb
Speaker 2: Williams to me was more of a wild card and
Speaker 2: still is just because all that stuff that was going
Speaker 2: on out in USC and then unfortunately for him, you
Speaker 2: got a general manager who didn't give him any help
Speaker 2: up front. I still think he'd beat a football player.
Speaker 2: But I mean I was at that two lane Cotton
Speaker 2: Bowl game. You can't lose that game. Can't lose that game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: under stands stand with your mom. Yeah, I would have questions.
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of questions. We would have a lot
Speaker 2: of questions one. But but you know, drake Man and Daniels,
Speaker 2: these were I look at these are two guys. These
Speaker 2: are two guys, and both teams took the players and
Speaker 2: there are no question marks for about those players.
Speaker 5: Bringing it full full circle to tonight, I just feel
Speaker 5: like there's gonna be a lot of movement at the
Speaker 5: top part of this draft. There are going to be
Speaker 5: teams that may trade out to trade down because they're
Speaker 5: not sure about the guy that they're going to get.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of questions about the Michigan
Speaker 5: defensive lineman. There are a lot of questions about it. No, no,
Speaker 5: I'm just saying this is what I'm saying. If okay,
Speaker 5: if Mason Graham guys is at twelve, there are some
Speaker 5: cowboy fans right now that are just.
Speaker 2: SI and another one. I agree with you what you
Speaker 2: want ideally as a walking starter, absolutely, and if you
Speaker 2: drafted that kid from Michigan, he's a guy that goes
Speaker 2: into your rotation. Matter fact, may replace the guy from
Speaker 2: Michigan who is your number one pick in due time.
Speaker 2: Good football player, great really really good football, great motor,
Speaker 2: everything about him. And ultimately I think you and I
Speaker 2: would tell this to the Cowboy fan base. If Will
Speaker 2: McLay stands in front of a microphone and tells you
Speaker 2: Mason Grant from Michigan can play, do not judge him
Speaker 2: off Carlton the Taco Charlton or Mozie Smith. Judge him
Speaker 2: off his work, then you would believe Will. Of course
Speaker 2: I would believe Will, and so if that happens, then
Speaker 2: I would do it the same way when Will was
Speaker 2: like Zach Martin is the right pick for us. Trustin
Speaker 2: Will McClay and what he does. No matter what you
Speaker 2: want to say about them as a playoff team the
Speaker 2: last decade, you cannot argue with their draft process. The
Speaker 2: last decade, you can't. They are one of the best
Speaker 2: drafting teams in the National Football League. Dallas, Kansas City,
Speaker 2: San Francisco. Look at him when you talk about homegrown
Speaker 2: players who are making Pro Bowls and All Pros, and
Speaker 2: the Cowboys are doing that. Last year, Tyler Geiden was
Speaker 2: not what people want. Okay, got to go back another
Speaker 2: year too. But you go back and you say, what
Speaker 2: about Tyler Smith When that was panned universally, they were right.
Speaker 2: Tyler Smith is as Tyron Smith said the next one.
Speaker 2: So there you go all right, we got you our
Speaker 2: first break in here. Who is the pick you want
Speaker 2: at twelve? Hech Maherson your dream pick? Coming up to twelve,
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Speaker 2: Ah right, heck Maharrison. Appreciate that you are in the
Speaker 2: Players Loune to this Draft Day Thursday, Draft first Round, Thursday,
Speaker 2: Round Friday, rounds four through seven coming Saturday. So the
Speaker 2: Cowboys are sitting on the clock at twelve. Jerry Jones
Speaker 2: in the press conference this week said, Hey, we're working
Speaker 2: on two trades. We're going on two potential trades. Uh,
Speaker 2: they are open to trader down So Trader Jerry is
Speaker 2: in full effect. Just to let you know how much
Speaker 2: that happens. We'll see trades you need partners, somebody to
Speaker 2: dance with. And one of the conversations on the Draft show,
Speaker 2: which is really good, catch it out Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 2: They spoke about Denver and some needs that the Denver
Speaker 2: Broncos have and Sean Payton's willingness to move up in drafts.
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, they know Sean Payton. So
Speaker 2: Denver sitting at twenty. If you're the Cowboys, would you
Speaker 2: go from twelve to twenty and you can pick up
Speaker 2: a second round pick? I mean, what would you do?
Speaker 2: So there's options. There's a lot of things that could
Speaker 2: happen in this draft, but right now we'll work through
Speaker 2: the standpoint of they're at twelve, at twelve, right now,
Speaker 2: who is your dream pick for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: You know, I've said it before when I think about
Speaker 5: this team and what they need, and all off season,
Speaker 5: all I've been hearing about is wide receivers and running backs.
Speaker 5: And I'm still sticking to my to my guns on
Speaker 5: what I believe that this team needs, and that's a
Speaker 5: defensive tackle, and for me, the best defensive tackle because
Speaker 5: I believe Mason Graham is Mason Graham is not going
Speaker 5: to be there it's going to be Walter Nolan from
Speaker 5: O miss A six four, three and three pounds. He
Speaker 5: has the body, the prototypical body for an inside guy,
Speaker 5: guy that you can move in and out, and it
Speaker 5: helps this defense. This defense absolutely needs help on the
Speaker 5: second half of the DBS. You need a guy that's
Speaker 5: going to be even be able to help Micah Allow.
Speaker 5: That allows for coach eber Flush to be able to
Speaker 5: do multiple things with Michael when you have those guys
Speaker 5: upfront that can gobble up those offensive linemen. And Walter Nolan,
Speaker 5: to me, is the pick sure fire that I would
Speaker 5: at twelve. I would not be disappointed in that pick,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan number four over at Dallas Cowboys Magazine's defensive
Speaker 2: Tackles that got Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Derek Harmon, and
Speaker 2: then Walter Nolan six foot four, two hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: six pounds player out of Old miss And he once
Speaker 2: played at Texas A and m So. His comp is
Speaker 2: the Marvin Leal.
Speaker 8: So.
Speaker 2: He has short arms. That's kind of one thing that's
Speaker 2: been used against him. He's got short arms, and he
Speaker 2: says it tends to get caught with high pat level
Speaker 2: and throwing off the spot, and they said there were
Speaker 2: some mixed reports on his work ethic from the staff
Speaker 2: over at Texas A and M. One of the things
Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer spoke about in the draft is he cared
Speaker 2: so much about character and wanting to meet people. And
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones talked about on some of these visits with
Speaker 2: players actually talking to parents. And I go back to
Speaker 2: when Bill Parcells was here. Bill parself actively was drafting
Speaker 2: guys who were captains. Chris Beam, You remember that when
Speaker 2: Bill was here, man meeting with us over back at
Speaker 2: Valley Ranch about the kind of guys he wanted, and
Speaker 2: that was where you got a Kevin Burnett. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you got guys like Marcus Speach. He wanted high quality guys,
Speaker 2: and he talked about the kind of players he was
Speaker 2: done with. He wanted high quality people. I don't know
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan, but just reading this thing right here. If
Speaker 2: I'm the Cowboys, I need a deeper die Tristan Hill
Speaker 2: when they took him out of UCF in the second round,
Speaker 2: and Rob Marynell as well, I wrote a contract with him.
Speaker 2: The previous coaching staff was Scott Frost. He moved on
Speaker 2: to Nebraska. They said they had no issues with him,
Speaker 2: but the current coach who came in Josh Hipel's now
Speaker 2: over Tennessee, he didn't get along with him and benched him.
Speaker 2: And the guy that the Cowboys got was the dude
Speaker 2: that Josh Hypel and his staff didn't like. They had
Speaker 2: issues with him. So to me, character is something that
Speaker 2: must matter here. I'm all about the character because hekma.
Speaker 2: You know what happens when you're a Dallas Cowboys that
Speaker 2: a lot of things get thrown at you. It's easy
Speaker 2: for you to not make the main thing the main thing.
Speaker 2: Dwayne Goodrich, who I liked personally, was a prime example.
Speaker 2: But guy who got caught up in the trappings of
Speaker 2: what a Dallas Cowboy can be. So Walter him, Walter
Speaker 2: noan fits a ney, which is that defensive line.
Speaker 5: You can't stop the run, then stop the run in
Speaker 5: four years. That's right, Okay, I mean, but but you
Speaker 5: go to the cons. You go to there's a pro
Speaker 5: and there's also a con there. And look, I want
Speaker 5: to based off of what you were saying, you're talking
Speaker 5: about character guys, and I think every team has a
Speaker 5: list of things that they want. It's character culture, building guys,
Speaker 5: guys that can fit the culture, and all of those
Speaker 5: things are fluid. They changed by administered by the coaching staff,
Speaker 5: front office, all of those things. But the one thing
Speaker 5: that you said in the in the first segment was
Speaker 5: we need guys that can play. Right now, you just
Speaker 5: say choir boy, you say captain, you say that hurts you.
Speaker 2: So so what's funny is as Bill Parcels were talking
Speaker 2: about the players he didn't want, he would be fine
Speaker 2: to say this ain't the boy scout come on professional football.
Speaker 2: This is what it is. But within that, what he's
Speaker 2: telling you is there's an exception for Lawrence Taylor. Yes, sir, okay,
Speaker 2: if your talent outweighs your problems, I'll deal with a
Speaker 2: little some some, but your talent better be Remember Antonio Briant,
Speaker 2: Antonio Briant's problems did not weigh his problems. Even though
Speaker 2: he had problems. They took that chance. He was quickly
Speaker 2: escorted out of the building. So that's that's what matters
Speaker 2: right there. So Walter Nolan defensive tackle, old pick.
Speaker 4: That is Walter the the dream pick. Harris still on
Speaker 4: dream no guy from Arizona. You know he is well
Speaker 4: well this is I'm getting ready to get into this.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: You know I'm gonna read his calls right away, get finished,
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Okay. My dream pick separate is Ted McMillan's.
Speaker 2: Who's comp is Mike Evans, who's head coach at Arizona
Speaker 2: now watching je Jetfish says yes, I was at the
Speaker 2: Johnny Manziel workout. We saw Mike Evans. We knew he'd
Speaker 2: be good, but we took Blake Bortles. Okay. And and
Speaker 2: as I said that, you know, Mike Evans is going
Speaker 2: to be in the in the conversation in Canton when
Speaker 2: they talk about Hall of Fame. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he gets the gold jack, but he'll be in there
Speaker 2: because of the numbers, because of the super Bowl. He'll
Speaker 2: be there. Tech McMillan, I have seen play, and there's
Speaker 2: something about seeing dudes play. I've seen Travis Hunter play.
Speaker 2: I saw this guy play and not that TCU is
Speaker 2: dB U the boy.
Speaker 5: He was just like you said it, Wait a minute,
Speaker 5: let's go to the Carns. When he wins at the line,
Speaker 5: he does it with size, not burst. Halls could struggle
Speaker 5: to build separation from his first from his first step quickness.
Speaker 5: This would bring a challenge against press coverage when faced
Speaker 5: with stronger, longer cornerbacks.
Speaker 2: Pros the.
Speaker 5: A lot of a lot of separations. This like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, I don't know, don't you get out the wheel?
Speaker 5: He hit my man first lame and I told him,
Speaker 5: my man, he got short arms, be able to get
Speaker 5: that short man, go get that weight, get him out
Speaker 5: the way, get out the way. They're gonna be dunking
Speaker 5: on cats. Yeah, so just say, I thought, have.
Speaker 2: We seen how bad they are in the red zone?
Speaker 2: That is facts they haven't had a jump ball guy
Speaker 2: since Dan's bra Okay, if this brother can go up
Speaker 2: here in the red right there, right there, the red.
Speaker 2: The fact that Brandon Aubrey could be limited because this
Speaker 2: dude can catch a dog on ball corn in the
Speaker 2: end zone, I agree. I mean, look, so once again
Speaker 2: that's my dream pick. And because I I think I
Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna be there. Okay, that's what I
Speaker 2: don't think he'll be Wow, I don't think really. I
Speaker 2: go back into what we you're here, remember the corner
Speaker 2: here they needed a corner Patrick's or Tans out there,
Speaker 2: Jacy Horne, and neither one of them was available, so
Speaker 2: they trade down and ended up with Michael Parsons. I
Speaker 2: think technic is going to be gone. Thank God for that,
Speaker 2: Thank yous. We ended up with Michael Parsons. Oh, we
Speaker 2: ended up with Michael the one right, So so that
Speaker 2: that's tat. McMillan's my guy. I do not believe he
Speaker 2: will be there.
Speaker 4: So if he's not in attendance and he's gone, he's
Speaker 4: before twelve going, who's the realistic?
Speaker 2: That's your dream? But who who do you think is
Speaker 2: going to be there? I gave our our Nick Eatman
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I gave Nick Eatman that a
Speaker 2: Mecca Abuka from Ohio State would be the voice pick.
Speaker 2: And I also believe that would be in a trade
Speaker 2: down in my opinion.
Speaker 4: But but I I, I don't know how much you
Speaker 4: follow Ohio State football, but he just got kind of
Speaker 4: overshyow him by the young came there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Smith, And you just think about the the
Speaker 2: numbers of these dudes have been putting up in all
Speaker 2: the wing that's been going on here. Give me a
Speaker 2: guy like that, he's polished, Give me a guy like that.
Speaker 2: And those quarterbacks the last two years can't nobody running
Speaker 2: to get them dudes on their rosters. Will Will Will
Speaker 2: Howard is hey, watch yourself, TRD. He's a trial man.
Speaker 2: He got your Okay, you ain't taking him here? No
Speaker 2: you want him on your team? No, I'm late round.
Speaker 2: Do you want to use a pick on him if
Speaker 2: I can't help it?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: So, you know, okay, he didn't have it was he
Speaker 2: didn't have it justin fields. He didn't have j shroud right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he didn't. He wasn't he didn't have that. You know,
Speaker 2: he had Will Howard and they won a national championship
Speaker 2: and can block. And when you look at how he
Speaker 2: grew up with the military background and moved the the
Speaker 2: character and the ability to compete. I mean, dude, they're
Speaker 2: constantly getting guys that that place. Okay, man, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of dudes that Quinn Wers couldn't cut it there.
Speaker 2: Hey man, thanks, I'm going I forgot you. Well, Quinn
Speaker 2: got there and he was Joe Burrow. Right, dude, this
Speaker 2: is you talk about competition central, and this guy shown
Speaker 2: you he was one of the top of the top.
Speaker 2: Bring me somebody like that in my program. And I
Speaker 2: need to help my quarterback out. I need to help
Speaker 2: my quarterback out. So anyway, that's that's just that's who
Speaker 2: I said the Cowboys would take here. This is my opinion.
Speaker 4: You see BC for me, you know, I get what
Speaker 4: you're saying with the office the side of the ball,
Speaker 4: getting the skill guys involved, because you need more than
Speaker 4: just what CD and the others.
Speaker 2: And that's when we had, you know, this past season,
Speaker 2: we all saw that.
Speaker 4: And I like the pit with the with the receiver
Speaker 4: from Arizona, big, big guy that can jump ball, all
Speaker 4: that good stuff. Because when you've got a guy like
Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb who likes to move around, play in the slot,
Speaker 4: plays outside motion, he's in bunches, he's all over the place,
Speaker 4: you need a guy on the other side that can
Speaker 4: win the one on ones, not necessarily being that crispy
Speaker 4: route runner, but you throw a ball up to him,
Speaker 4: you know, fifty fifty ball, he's a guy that can
Speaker 4: go get it.
Speaker 2: So I like that pick as well.
Speaker 4: I still think the defensive line or the offensive line
Speaker 4: needs some work in the trenches. But if you're talking
Speaker 4: to me from my dream pick, I'm going to the
Speaker 4: secondary and I think he'll be there, and he may
Speaker 4: be there later if they trade Baron and that's not
Speaker 4: I'm on Will Johnson, Oh wow, corner from Michigan. And
Speaker 4: the reason you say that, the reason I say that, wow,
Speaker 4: is because you need somebody who can man that slot.
Speaker 2: And he's not a burner.
Speaker 4: He's not a guy that you're gonna put on the
Speaker 4: outside that can you know, run with anybody.
Speaker 2: He's not that.
Speaker 4: But what he is is a smart, intellectual football player.
Speaker 4: And that's what you need in that slot position. Look
Speaker 4: at Jordan Lewis. Look what Jordan Lewis was able to
Speaker 4: do in this secondary for the Dallas Cowboys. Not but
Speaker 4: he was smartest heck understood his leverages and he was
Speaker 4: great and blitzing and break great in the run game.
Speaker 4: So to me, you might be able to trade back
Speaker 4: and get Will Johnson later on in the first round.
Speaker 4: But that's somebody that can help SOLIDI fight a secondary
Speaker 4: because when you look at it, you got Digs coming
Speaker 4: back from another knee injury. You got Bland on the
Speaker 4: outside who amazing ball skills, great gown outside corner. We'll
Speaker 4: see what he can if he can keep up that
Speaker 4: stellar play from the year's past. But you need somebody
Speaker 4: else in that slot. The man that secondary and have
Speaker 4: it under control. And I think if you get a
Speaker 4: guy like Will Johnson and there a smart, intellectual guy,
Speaker 4: he can play a grant that slot position.
Speaker 2: Stepan Gilmore was in the building. Yes he was. Yes,
Speaker 2: he was a guy that should have never been able
Speaker 2: to leave the building if you ask me. But I
Speaker 2: like this pick. I like this the heads he guy.
Speaker 5: And the thing is, I think with all the blaring
Speaker 5: needs that you have, that to me kind of fits
Speaker 5: the same mold as the wide receiver position because you
Speaker 5: lead by saying what you need in the def into line,
Speaker 5: in the offensive line, and as you know, as a
Speaker 5: secondary player, if you have a guy up front that
Speaker 5: makes that time clock go off in the quarterback's head,
Speaker 5: he's letting go of the ball quickly and that gives
Speaker 5: all of us the advantage in the secondary. And so
Speaker 5: if we can improve in that way, I mean, just
Speaker 5: go to Philadelphia right now, man. The guys can play
Speaker 5: back there point. And it's the same thing with the
Speaker 5: offensive line. If we're talking about what we're doing in
Speaker 5: the red zone. If you have offensive line and that
Speaker 5: can block and a running back that could get it there,
Speaker 5: then we're not having to put the ball in Harm's way.
Speaker 5: When we get down to the red zone, we can
Speaker 5: run the ball and score touchdowns. All right, Johnson, I'm
Speaker 5: telling you, man, I like Will and that's the comfort.
Speaker 5: Will is our boy that just left. That's that's how
Speaker 5: that's how came the.
Speaker 2: Third round guy. He was, he was, he was, he
Speaker 2: was the first round guy. They got questioning the speed
Speaker 2: can you do that? They got speed questions too at
Speaker 2: the wild receiver.
Speaker 5: I don't see you see how thank you, thank you?
Speaker 5: You got who else you got? Because I'm going straight
Speaker 5: to the cons I'm going I'm going straight. Nobody got him,
Speaker 5: and nobody got him. There's no top twelve pick though
Speaker 5: he jumped in. Got Jaddy bearing over there in Texas. Yes,
Speaker 5: I take him before I take you know, Oh molasses, Will,
Speaker 5: you're gonna call the man.
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Speaker 2: All right, man, let me shoot some more holes over
Speaker 2: here for you. Man. Don't get that last Joe, These
Speaker 2: guys Joe report. Will Johnson was limited to six games
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four by foot injuries, but he has
Speaker 2: sized ball skills and instincts that are so good that
Speaker 2: he deserves to be a top fifteen pick. Miami played
Speaker 2: zone coverage two Thursday last time the season, which would
Speaker 2: only offset questions around Johnson's speed, So they got him
Speaker 2: going to the Miami Dolphins. But you know, I said,
Speaker 2: Baron over Johnson.
Speaker 4: Zone ebra flukes, the zone eyes on the quarterback reaction,
Speaker 4: ball skills tackling.
Speaker 2: Hey, they had like five picks last year. Man team was.
Speaker 2: I mean when it comes to can we get somebody
Speaker 2: who healthy? I mean that's fact that was usually wait
Speaker 2: to the second round to get it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if you boy wills around two, might man, man
Speaker 2: my lasts around to you.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, that's that's when he comes into play. That's
Speaker 5: what we shoot up the right round to his medical.
Speaker 5: We got some medical the red flag, the Jaylen.
Speaker 2: Swift, a Wood Bruce, the Bruce Carter hurt. But like
Speaker 2: before he was good, he was good. Man, you gotta
Speaker 2: you gotta knail it. You gotta knail it at twelve.
Speaker 5: Man, you look if you bring in a guy like
Speaker 5: we're talking about Bearing from Texas, also given he played
Speaker 5: with a pretty good defensive line. Also, I mean, so
Speaker 5: these are guys that didn't have to wait very long
Speaker 5: to get to the money. So you know, I want
Speaker 5: a guy. But we continuously repeated, here a guy that's
Speaker 5: gonna come in immediately, ready to play, ready to get down.
Speaker 5: We don't need a developmental project. You know, Hey, let's
Speaker 5: give him a few reps to get itself together.
Speaker 2: That don't need that, all right, So we know a
Speaker 2: running back at some point in time is going to
Speaker 2: come off the board. Yes, we know that. So so
Speaker 2: give me a guy that you would say, all right,
Speaker 2: I'll take him, I'll take him. I'll start first any round, right,
Speaker 2: we ain't talking about like the first any round any round.
Speaker 2: The Gettings kid from Kansas State. Now, Tom, you know,
Speaker 2: here's a guy that the offensive line coach knows, okay,
Speaker 2: And I asked him about him, and he was very like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: The Big twelve, by the way, has a bunch of
Speaker 2: good running backs. By the way, yeah, Olly Gordon out
Speaker 2: of there, Oklahoma State, the kid from Texas Tech, u
Speaker 2: scam Cam Scatterby from the Arizona State Sun Devil's the
Speaker 2: Big twelve champions. I mean, so so to me, you know,
Speaker 2: call on them Big twelve kids, you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: But Gettings could be a guy that we would see
Speaker 2: maybe day three or or around three. But I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I just look at him as all right,
Speaker 2: that that could work. That could work, because I don't
Speaker 2: anticipate them getting Hampton from North Carolina. He'll be gone.
Speaker 2: And I definitely don't think you can go get the
Speaker 2: local kids. Ashton Genty here and so that's why I'm
Speaker 2: looking at Okay, where are some other guys where I
Speaker 2: would say, okay, I can live with that. So Gettings
Speaker 2: of Kansas State is one of them there. But but
Speaker 2: I really a big one of these big twelve backs
Speaker 2: would fit for me.
Speaker 4: When you look at these running backs, not sure if
Speaker 4: they're going to be there in the second or third,
Speaker 4: but if you got a chance to grab one of
Speaker 4: these two guys, I like the kids from Ohoose State
Speaker 4: talk to me. The Henderson and Judkins as well. You know,
Speaker 4: they both bring their different types of dynamic. Henderson's more
Speaker 4: that home run threat. You know, if he gets the
Speaker 4: ball in his hands and he has a lane, he
Speaker 4: could take it the distance. Still a powerful runner at
Speaker 4: that and then junkits as well. I mean he's a
Speaker 4: little bit slow over back. May not be that home
Speaker 4: run threat, but he runs behind his paths, he runs
Speaker 4: behind his pass and he makes guys feel it every
Speaker 4: each and every time he gets gets a hold of
Speaker 4: the ball. So to me, I don't know if they'll
Speaker 4: be there when the running backs or when the Cowboys
Speaker 4: want to choose a back, but those are two dynamic
Speaker 4: running backs at you know, within this system for the
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys can flourish.
Speaker 2: I'm not really sold on the scatterboot the guy from
Speaker 2: Arizona State.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a very hard runner, try hard, you know,
Speaker 4: the guy that's you know, he's gonna put the team
Speaker 4: on his back.
Speaker 2: We saw that in the in the playoffs as well.
Speaker 4: But to me, I don't know if he's dynamic enough
Speaker 4: in the National Football League when when you got defensive
Speaker 4: linemen running four five fast brees, you got linebackers running forth.
Speaker 4: I just don't know if he can be that dynamic
Speaker 4: of a guy. Can he be a guy that can
Speaker 4: help out, you know, blocking wise, and you can you know,
Speaker 4: sparingly put him in here and there, maybe a short
Speaker 4: yard is back.
Speaker 2: He could be that, but dynamic wise, that can not change.
Speaker 4: The trajection of a of an organization, but be a
Speaker 4: productive back down in and down out for the National
Speaker 4: Football League.
Speaker 2: I don't see him being that.
Speaker 4: I think he's a very hard, try hard guy and
Speaker 4: kind of reminds me of our guy L Boogie a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 2: But there's a little bit more dynamic and these are
Speaker 2: you know, these are gonna be like Day three guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's special teams like he can come and
Speaker 4: contribute on thatssarid.
Speaker 2: So when I'm thinking of like these guys, the Gettings,
Speaker 2: the Brooks, I'm thinking day three guys, because you're filling
Speaker 2: your needs a wide receiver, you trench right, you're going
Speaker 2: to maybe de tackle, maybe line back. You're looking so
Speaker 2: oh by the way, Hey look man, we got to
Speaker 2: jump in here and get someone. So that's that's kind
Speaker 2: of my thinking that, especially if you're able to do
Speaker 2: a trade down that you're thinking, all right, man, maybe
Speaker 2: you rounds three, you know, maybe picked up a four.
Speaker 2: You're looking at trying to get into one of these guys,
Speaker 2: because if you're not getting genty or Hampton, you know,
Speaker 2: you start to talking about the Henderson and the old
Speaker 2: case juck, these guys are probably gonna get gone around two.
Speaker 2: That's I don't know, they'll be right.
Speaker 5: So and if it's realistic, because I'm on the same
Speaker 5: I'm really on the same page as you when it
Speaker 5: comes down to those Ohio State running backs and if
Speaker 5: any of those guys are there between you know at three,
Speaker 5: you know, if you can make that pick and it's
Speaker 5: sound and it's not a guy in there, like I'm
Speaker 5: going with one of those, because I'm the validity that
Speaker 5: I add to that position with one of those types
Speaker 5: of runners. But you have a guy from Oklahoma State,
Speaker 5: Oli Gordon. We talked about him as well, six' one
Speaker 5: two twenty, six a guy that has had some injury,
Speaker 5: issues BUT i think that for these first couple of
Speaker 5: years of his, career you possibly could get one of
Speaker 5: those guys that's a downhill. Runner and that's what The
Speaker 5: cowboys have been, missing is a downhill. Runner what type
Speaker 5: of offensive scheme we were running for the, zone whatever it.
Speaker 5: Is you get a guy In Oli gordon THAT i
Speaker 5: believe that can make up the difference and also be
Speaker 5: one of those later later round picks. That, look, man
Speaker 5: you don't have to over extend for a guy like
Speaker 5: that in conjunction with the guys that you already.
Speaker 2: Have All, right we're gonna get out of here with.
Speaker 2: This give me a surprise first round. Pick surprise your, mind, like,
Speaker 2: man we weren't talking about, it and look at.
Speaker 4: It, Man i'd tell you if they picked the cat From,
Speaker 4: Arizona i'll be, shocked to be honest with if they
Speaker 4: picked The, MILLING i will be.
Speaker 2: Shocked, okay because to, me you, know is he gonna
Speaker 2: Be Danz brian like.
Speaker 4: That that's the only way it kind of pays off
Speaker 4: of is he could Be Daz brian out, there that
Speaker 4: jump ball, specialist that guy that can you, know win
Speaker 4: one on ones no matter it's not a fifty to fifty,
Speaker 4: balls a seventy thirty. Ball if he he got to
Speaker 4: be that type of. Guy SO i would be surprised
Speaker 4: if they went that route with.
Speaker 2: That, Okay i'll give you mine Amar Amarian.
Speaker 4: Hampton they running back from That's North, carolina right run
Speaker 4: back From North.
Speaker 2: County where they just come out and, say you know,
Speaker 2: what we want to run this. Guy we feel three
Speaker 2: down back and we think if we give him the
Speaker 2: football that he can Do zeke type things in terms
Speaker 2: of keep the keep the chains, moving keep the clock,
Speaker 2: going help the defense on the. Field so for, me
Speaker 2: that would be my surprise. Pick and then them come
Speaker 2: out and, say, ah we. PLAYED i didn't think you would.
Speaker 5: Do, man it's you guys are taking the bunch of
Speaker 5: the guys THAT i would have been thinking. Of but
Speaker 5: if they go left tackle again this, season that would surprise.
Speaker 5: Me if they went right back with, it and a
Speaker 5: guy Like banks send somebody knock right on guidance. Door,
Speaker 5: hey you, know so that would that would shock me
Speaker 5: because IDEALLY i don't know how Many Old brothers organizations that,
Speaker 5: that so that would be that would be the shock
Speaker 5: shocker for.
Speaker 4: Me but they went each and every one of the
Speaker 4: players watching that FIRST i used to do all the, time.
Speaker 2: Like on here who we picking? Man man heart thumping
Speaker 2: that first round.
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Speaker 4: Safety i'm, like oh, NO i don't do. IT i
Speaker 4: remember Job Mark barrion when he was coming out me it's.
Speaker 4: Sensible everybody was sitting there.
Speaker 2: Like, man don't, picky don't.
Speaker 4: PICKY i think they went With clayborne that year or
Speaker 4: somebody Like Yes bearing From.
Speaker 5: Alabama, Yeah and they had moved the lineback and they
Speaker 5: came out of a safety right and me and man
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Speaker 4: Be that's when we had got Clay Board.
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