Speaker 1: Warning.
Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for the shock sixth episode of
Speaker 2: season two of Peacemaker. Hello, Hey, it is Jas Sconcepcio,
Speaker 2: Adam Rosie Night and welcome back to x Ravision the
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Speaker 3: Today we are going to be breaking down that Peacemaker
Speaker 3: season two episode six, Shoka Ignorance is Chris, perfectly named
Speaker 3: episode perfect name. Sadly, our Peacemaker correspondent super producer Ian
Speaker 3: will not be here, so it just me and Jason.
Speaker 1: But he was right.
Speaker 3: We want to give him some he was right time
Speaker 3: and yeah, what a crazy, crazy, crazy episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's dive into it. Okay. Peacemaker season two,
Speaker 2: episode six, Ignorance is Chris. We open. In the Perfect Universe,
Speaker 2: the whole family plus Hardcourt are at like a cracker
Speaker 2: barrel perfect yeah, perfect Dad is They're covered in apparently
Speaker 2: like kaiju guts. Dad is toasting Chris. They're having a
Speaker 2: grand old time. Kids are coming up saying can I
Speaker 2: get a picture with you? Blue Dragon? It's perfect, It's
Speaker 2: too perfect perfect. Meanwhile, in the other universe, in our universe,
Speaker 2: the eleven Street Kids go to Vig's mom's house too,
Speaker 2: because that's where they're going to reopen the portal in
Speaker 2: the basement's beautiful house, nice home. Argus has no idea
Speaker 2: who Vig is, so this is perfect. Adrian's mom seems
Speaker 2: very very nice, but like too nosy, very very supportive,
Speaker 2: but like way too involved in her way to be fair.
Speaker 2: He does still live at home, so what are you
Speaker 2: gonna do? He is so mean to her all the time,
Speaker 2: but she takes it all in stride, and he takes
Speaker 2: them down to his secret room with the multiple key
Speaker 2: locks down there, and Vich's mom is talking the whole
Speaker 2: time about his friends, about her son's friends, and she
Speaker 2: knows them all how he talks about them, and apparently
Speaker 2: Vig told mom that Harcourt hardcore. Originally she says was
Speaker 2: his girlfriend, but they broke up and Vich is mortified
Speaker 2: at this, and Harcourt is like kind of furious but
Speaker 2: just merely smoldering, and she goes away, and Vich's like,
Speaker 2: my mom has dementia, which.
Speaker 1: Definitely no will believes scattered bals like this.
Speaker 2: I believe that they go in the room and it's
Speaker 2: like the Sinaloa cartels, like storage.
Speaker 1: For yeah, he's living in scafface fantasis.
Speaker 2: You know, like Vich has obviously been killing criminals for
Speaker 2: a long time, effectively mass murdering in a kind of
Speaker 2: you know Hawkeye in End Game, And he's got a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff he's been doing, and he's been taking
Speaker 2: the stuff there's I guess to his credit, he hasn't
Speaker 2: been doing it. He does it only for the love
Speaker 2: of the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he just keeps all this money.
Speaker 2: He just keeps the stuff. He's not like out there
Speaker 2: like flipping the cash or the bags of fentanyl and coke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's definitely not selling the drugs at least, he's
Speaker 3: just keeping them in these Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's just got this storage from filled with drugs and money.
Speaker 2: And the eleven streeters, who many of whom have been
Speaker 2: desperate for money by the way, you know, like Hardcourt
Speaker 2: is must be thinking, hold on, I almost took a
Speaker 2: job at the drug store.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we like Ads is taking like gigs where
Speaker 3: people think she is maybe a sexuast come on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so as Vig is like has his back
Speaker 2: turned to like put on his uniform, they're like stuffing
Speaker 2: their pockets, which like to fair, I honestly, he would
Speaker 2: want them to have it.
Speaker 1: Probably anyway, he would, he'd give.
Speaker 2: It to them if they said it in the right Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 2: they set up the portal and his beanie baby closet door,
Speaker 2: and you know, the burst of energy happens, and everybody's
Speaker 2: covered in a thin mist of hopefully cocaine.
Speaker 1: Okay, hope, probably no, cokay't the.
Speaker 2: Best Probably the best outcome is that it's cocaine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then we find out later that it is cocaine.
Speaker 2: They go into the portal and they're in there. It's amazing,
Speaker 2: you know, they can't believe hardcourts, like I can't believe
Speaker 2: Chris was telling the truth, Like why was he keeping
Speaker 2: this to himself? Didn't he think this was crazy? And
Speaker 2: out of Bio is like, well, he grew up with this.
Speaker 2: This is like normal to him. And so now they're
Speaker 2: wandering around looking for that rack of peacemaker helmets that
Speaker 2: will tell them which door to go to at Argus Seniors,
Speaker 2: fuming Rosie, He's.
Speaker 1: Oh stressed, he's.
Speaker 2: So mad, so so mad. I'm surprised Bordeau isn't in
Speaker 2: there giving a shoulder rub to help.
Speaker 1: Him, right, I'm like, come on.
Speaker 2: B Fleury comes in and is like, so, in addition
Speaker 2: to Chris walking out the door, we don't know where
Speaker 2: the other eleventh Street associates.
Speaker 1: Are right now?
Speaker 2: And uh oh yeah, Judo Master also got so sorry
Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, where is by the way? Well, by
Speaker 2: the way, I think, thinking about where we're going now,
Speaker 2: I'm quite concerned about continuing.
Speaker 1: Health and life of the Judas.
Speaker 2: So Senior is like, listen, the world depends on us
Speaker 2: finding Peacemaker.
Speaker 1: No, no, it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Just obsessed, yeah, stop it, but like you know, okay, fine,
Speaker 3: and then Senior gets an idea.
Speaker 2: As Flurry hangs up the phone, he gets on the
Speaker 2: horn with Jessica and he says and he calls up
Speaker 2: and he's like, listen, I want you to call bell
Speaker 2: Reeve because there's someone I need to talk to you there.
Speaker 2: Who could that be?
Speaker 1: We found out later.
Speaker 2: Finds the rack of peace Maker helmets, Vidge knows the
Speaker 2: door code. They go in, so now it's like, what
Speaker 2: do we do? How do we find it? Well, Vig
Speaker 2: is speaking about obsession, obsessed with finding this version of
Speaker 2: himself in this world. It's true, and they all go
Speaker 2: to Chris's bedroom to kind of scope it out. And
Speaker 2: Hardcourt sees the picture of alternate Chris and alternate Harcourt
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh my god, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Captain Triumph walks in, so Harcourt quick thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: ad and Economists and the rest kind of hide in
Speaker 2: different rooms with Harcourt like closing a closet door on them,
Speaker 2: and Captain Triumph's like, Kirk Card, what are you doing here?
Speaker 2: And She's like, oh, I came to pick up this
Speaker 2: snow globe, like obviously, yeah, Chris wanted me to have it.
Speaker 2: It's really weird reason and Captain Triumph is like, okay,
Speaker 2: well I'm heading back past Argus if you need a run.
Speaker 2: She's like okay, yeah, sure, and this, you know, give
Speaker 2: allows her to draw Captain Triumph away from the team
Speaker 2: and meanwhile, so they leave an Economists meanwhile, is like
Speaker 2: getting sick thinking the whole idea of like another dimension
Speaker 2: with yeah versions.
Speaker 1: Of He's the only one who understands.
Speaker 2: And it's making him literally physically sick. He's gonna throw up. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: Vich is like, yeah, but like what do you think.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta find me, Like it's gonna be
Speaker 2: so crazy. I wonder if he like likes the same
Speaker 2: stuff I do, and so like vij like fully wants
Speaker 2: to stay.
Speaker 1: And I know he's believing in it.
Speaker 2: With loves it, and like there's no way to keep
Speaker 2: him there, Like he justs and there's absolutely no way
Speaker 2: that there's gonna they're gonna be able to keep you know,
Speaker 2: in one place. He goes off, We're gonna go to
Speaker 2: a quick cat break and will be right, and we're rack.
Speaker 2: Chris and alternate Hardcourt are cuddling post sex and let
Speaker 2: me just stop here and say oooo, this is sexual as.
Speaker 1: It's sexual assault. It is because she doesn't know she's
Speaker 1: having sex.
Speaker 2: With Yeah, I mean, it's the face off. It's the
Speaker 2: solve problem. I won't belabor it, but it is talk
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Chris is a creepy Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2: What happened, and unsurprising I think that Chris doesn't see
Speaker 2: it that way and doesn't understand that that's what happened.
Speaker 2: But that's what he did. Meanwhile, real Harcourt and Keith
Speaker 2: are you know, driving through the streets and Harcourt is
Speaker 2: like looking at it and noticing something weird. She's like,
Speaker 2: this is something is off. And she's also learning like
Speaker 2: weird facts about this world that like the cult eighties
Speaker 2: goth metal like band Helloween is apparently considered the first
Speaker 2: or second most important group of all time. That's weird.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 2: Mick Jagger is the lead singer of the Beatles. I
Speaker 2: think there's another one anyway. Strange differences, right, Yeah, lots
Speaker 2: of weird stuff going on, and Chris with Harcourt seems
Speaker 2: to feel it too, may although maybe he's feeling like, wait,
Speaker 2: did I do Did I do a bad?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think yeah. Maybe he's feeling a little bit like like.
Speaker 2: What hold on?
Speaker 1: Did I.
Speaker 3: With me?
Speaker 2: And that's bad?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 2: At Argus, the security dog barks at Hardcourt because she
Speaker 2: is covered in cocaine, so they take her to an
Speaker 2: interrogation room. Chris see real. Chris sees this and is like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, that's real Hardcourt VIDG. Meanwhile, it goes to
Speaker 2: his mom's house. His dad is there, not gay apparently,
Speaker 2: and the house is almost identical with small small changes
Speaker 2: that delight Vige. His keys work in his secret room,
Speaker 2: and when he goes in there, it's neater, with less
Speaker 2: cocaine and stuff, less drugs, And we're gonna about about
Speaker 2: to fight out why. So he goes in there and
Speaker 2: he introduces himself to his other self and they have
Speaker 2: the same person.
Speaker 1: I love this. This was so funny too.
Speaker 3: They got to do the Spider Man meme and they
Speaker 3: were so happy about it.
Speaker 1: I love this. They let Adrian have his fun before
Speaker 1: you kind of.
Speaker 3: Learn the truth about the world, which I thought was
Speaker 3: really nice.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, and and Economist are like, what do we do?
Speaker 2: Should we find eagerly like they find him. He's raiding
Speaker 2: the fridge, He's made a huge mess. Flag at Bell
Speaker 2: Reeve is visiting Lex.
Speaker 3: WHOA Okay, I know, I don't know if we guessed Lex.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was in our conversation.
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 3: I thought this was extremely cool, and I thought that they.
Speaker 1: Did a great job.
Speaker 3: Kind of Lex is the same character you see in Superman, obviously,
Speaker 3: but there is a coldness and a kind of extra
Speaker 3: layer of threat here that I think fits the tone
Speaker 3: of the show really well.
Speaker 1: Plus two like this is a very.
Speaker 3: Interesting and important plot point, simply because we know that
Speaker 3: Lex is going to be teaming up with Superman and
Speaker 3: Man of Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: That's not a spoiler. James Gunn has talked about it.
Speaker 3: This scene was actually filmed during the filming of Superman,
Speaker 3: so the once again the James gun connectivity is really
Speaker 3: delivering here, and I think, like for me, this just
Speaker 3: felt like a whoa moment, even though we knew.
Speaker 1: It was coming. It was interesting.
Speaker 3: I'd actually seen a lot of people who were theorizing
Speaker 3: that Idris Elba would be back, which I would love.
Speaker 1: We all know.
Speaker 3: I love his version of Bloodshire, great character, like incredible
Speaker 3: fun times.
Speaker 1: But I love that they went for Lex. I think
Speaker 1: it works. And also we need to know how.
Speaker 3: Lex is gonna get out of Bell Reeve to help
Speaker 3: Superman because they are going to team up in of.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, so I think this begins to set that scene.
Speaker 2: I completely agree with everything you said. It was the
Speaker 2: perfect decision. It advances both the story and the show
Speaker 2: and the wider gunnaverse story. And it's not like a
Speaker 2: side show like an alternate Superman or an alternate Batman
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 3: Like it's it actually moves the story and yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like this is happening.
Speaker 2: It was great. So Senior makes his offer, which is like, listen,
Speaker 2: you're in jail for two hundred and fifty plus years,
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty five years. I think, yeah, fifty,
Speaker 2: I can't get you, I can't get you free, but
Speaker 2: I can get you in a prison without meta humans,
Speaker 2: which I know you hate them, and you're having to
Speaker 2: be in here with like Dragon Man and shit, it's terrible.
Speaker 3: He's like you literally like you're in prison for trying
Speaker 3: to get rid of matta humans.
Speaker 1: Like this is not gonna go well for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you're there with King Shark and like
Speaker 2: Dragon Man, like the worst, weirdest Yeah, like the humans
Speaker 2: these are not the human pot of matt human.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very like.
Speaker 2: They're not even fun to talk to exactly. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: here's what I need from you, Senior says, I need
Speaker 2: to find a specific portal built by Peacemaker. Lex initially
Speaker 2: doesn't give a ship about peace because he's like, I
Speaker 2: don't care who cares? Who cares? Like they're irrelevant, Like
Speaker 2: it's the many humans I care about, Like I don't
Speaker 2: care about like guys that dress up in costumes and
Speaker 2: shoot other guys. Yeah it's like so what yeah, but
Speaker 2: but but Senior is like, listen, it's a multi dimensional portal,
Speaker 2: which obviously that's why I'm here, like you know about those?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? How do you know about those?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And and you're really smart? So how how do
Speaker 2: I attract this thing? How do I find it?
Speaker 1: Lexus?
Speaker 2: Like I could build a scanner and and and then
Speaker 2: you get me out, You get me to a regular
Speaker 2: human prison. Fine. In the Perfect Universe, Chris goes to
Speaker 2: see Hardcourt in the interrogation room, Real Chris, Real Hardcourt,
Speaker 2: and he's like, what the fuck are you doing here?
Speaker 2: And they argue. She's like, I saved your life at
Speaker 2: the ambush like Bordeaux was the cyborg was gonna kill you,
Speaker 2: and like I saved your life and you can't even
Speaker 2: say thank you. And she explains like why she's covered
Speaker 2: in coke and explains that all the eleven Streeters are
Speaker 2: here to save him because he doesn't belong here in
Speaker 2: this universe. And Chris, meanwhile, is like laser focused on
Speaker 2: the boat. What happened on the boat?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? This man just get over on the boat.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm like fucking wow.
Speaker 2: Don't you like doesn't didn't that mean anything to you?
Speaker 2: And like what is it? Because of Rick flag?
Speaker 3: Oh? Right?
Speaker 2: Like what was your thing about the reflection? Harcord's like, listen,
Speaker 2: am I proud of the Rick flag junior thing?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, but it happened and it didn't really mean anything.
Speaker 2: And Chris is like, well, listen, I love you, and
Speaker 2: Hardcourt is like, obviously, I know that. Yeah, and he
Speaker 2: wants to know what her feelings are, and her feelings
Speaker 2: are basically that she doesn't feel worthy of love or
Speaker 2: respect or positive feelings towards what she feels like a
Speaker 2: piece of shit for various reasons, and that's why she
Speaker 2: goes and does.
Speaker 1: Crazy self sabota stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so she basically is like, listen, so what
Speaker 2: is it going to be? And there's a great point
Speaker 2: from her, So what's is? So you're telling me like,
Speaker 2: you'll stay here unless I tell you I love you,
Speaker 2: like exactly, and this is I love that that was
Speaker 2: said me too, because I think that I think again,
Speaker 2: I do wonder if James Gunn's getting himself.
Speaker 1: Into a bit of a situation.
Speaker 3: Because I do feel like Chris is not somebody you
Speaker 3: want to continue following after this season. Again, like they
Speaker 3: did a good job redeeming him slightly off to the
Speaker 3: Rick Flagg junior stuff, but I do feel like the
Speaker 3: fact that he slept with old universe Hardcourt, the fact
Speaker 3: that he's now essentially holding Prime Hardcourt hostage.
Speaker 1: And I love that she sees that. Yeah, I'm I'm.
Speaker 3: Interested to see where it goes, because again, this show
Speaker 3: is just really not afraid to show the bad side
Speaker 3: of heroes.
Speaker 2: I like that as well. And I thought that, Listen,
Speaker 2: this is a very toxic These are two toxic people
Speaker 2: that you probably could argue being together would only amplify
Speaker 2: the toxicness. I agree, But again, I think like the
Speaker 2: central thesis is about redemption, and that part of it
Speaker 2: I I like, like, I like the idea of.
Speaker 1: Oh me too, can believe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you believe in a person even if they
Speaker 2: don't believe in themselves? And again, I'm so glad that
Speaker 2: Harcourt pointed out, So you're basically giving me this bullshit ultimatum, Chris.
Speaker 2: She she basically begs him to come home without ye
Speaker 2: tell me you love me demand, which I really respected
Speaker 2: from her, and Chris says, listen, I can't desert my
Speaker 2: alternate brother, alternate father, alternate heart. Meanwhile, also I'm fooling Yeah,
Speaker 2: So the guard comes in before they can really resolve
Speaker 2: this conversation, and basically says like, you're you're tested negative
Speaker 2: for drugs. You can go into August now. Meanwhile, Senior,
Speaker 2: leaving the interrogation room with Lex, tells Bordo that Lex
Speaker 2: agreed to it, and Lex is going to help us.
Speaker 2: Back in Perfect Universe's Uh Vigilante House, the Vigils are
Speaker 2: best friends. They're instantly like everything is identical, Rosie. They
Speaker 2: love every They love animals in the same way, they
Speaker 2: love like murder in the same.
Speaker 1: Way, the memes in the same way. Like they know
Speaker 1: this is made meant to be. I love this for them.
Speaker 2: I love this from They have all these little weird
Speaker 2: things too, like a little weird piccadillos that are exactly
Speaker 2: the same except except important. Why is there no drugs
Speaker 2: and guns here? Because this vig is not out there
Speaker 2: killing street criminals. He's leading street militia criminals in a
Speaker 2: mission to take down the Peacemaker who he hates that
Speaker 2: y And meanwhile, vige our Vidge is like, oh, but
Speaker 2: that's my best friend. Maybe yeah, So obviously this is
Speaker 2: gonna be it. This is gonna be an issue. Back
Speaker 2: at the house, Ad asks economists she's feeling she's getting
Speaker 2: a little stir crazy. She's like, you want to go
Speaker 2: for a walk just around the block.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, I got to clean up. I gotta
Speaker 2: finish cleaning up Eagerly's mess. So she goes alone and
Speaker 2: immediately I'm like, fuck, Ian, it's gonna be right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know, Okay, we need to give super producer
Speaker 3: Ian this shout out because we recorded these episodes were
Speaker 3: when we had place I heard it, and it was
Speaker 3: the first place we heard it was him. By the
Speaker 3: time our episode had come out, it definitely other places
Speaker 3: had it.
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, he noticed.
Speaker 3: That ship straight away, and I want to say I
Speaker 3: want to give him a big shout out. And I
Speaker 3: also want to give James Gunner shout out because actually,
Speaker 3: so often in Superhero TV and superhero movies there are
Speaker 3: just loads of white people and you don't even consider it.
Speaker 3: And I think he did a really good job playing
Speaker 3: into the fact that most of the audience wouldn't notice it,
Speaker 3: and he didn't, but Ian did. And yeah, as soon
Speaker 3: as Ads leads the house, you start to realize that
Speaker 3: not only is this a racist place, but like there
Speaker 3: might just not be any people of.
Speaker 1: Color, like wherever they are all killed. They might be
Speaker 1: all killed because this the responses are insane.
Speaker 2: They might be in the their version of a nice jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like phantom zone or something that.
Speaker 2: They like it very very bad. So you know she's
Speaker 2: getting looks immediately from people. And then Blue Dragon happens
Speaker 2: to be. Several things happen at once. Blue Dragon comes
Speaker 2: home and Economist has to hide all to her court
Speaker 2: goes comes into work and is we realize she's about
Speaker 2: to see herself while Harcourt is up on the floor saying, hey, Chris,
Speaker 2: don't you notice how like everyone is very very white
Speaker 2: up here? And Chris is like, what good for her?
Speaker 1: She's the first like thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like everywhere I go, I don't see any
Speaker 2: people of color, like at all. Captain Triumph is driving by,
Speaker 2: sees that a bio and is like it's a black.
Speaker 4: Yep and the whole now oh fuck, like oh fuck,
Speaker 4: the whole.
Speaker 2: Neighborhood is like coming streaming out of their homes. Chase
Speaker 2: out of bio down the.
Speaker 3: Street, he says, And I believe he says something like
Speaker 3: he's like one go out, one got that makes us
Speaker 3: know that lets us know there is very clearly some
Speaker 3: kind of yeah, terrible issue going on here.
Speaker 2: So Chris in the artist's office happens to just kind
Speaker 2: of pick up the American flag that's in like a
Speaker 2: coffee cup on somebody's desk, and it's got where the
Speaker 2: stars should be, big swastika.
Speaker 1: Oh great, great love that.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Blue Dragon has seen economists and now stabs his
Speaker 2: hand to the floor and they're in a life and
Speaker 2: death struggle. Hardcourt gets id'd by this universe Hardcourt as
Speaker 2: an impostor, and Adam Ayla is running for her life,
Speaker 2: and that's where we end the episode.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 3: I have to say, James Gunn, I rate you for
Speaker 3: going the full whole hog. So first of all, I
Speaker 3: want to say my first thought, and I saw the
Speaker 3: American flag with the swastika. I have to bring it
Speaker 3: back always to my favorite character. There's an incredible swamp
Speaker 3: thing covered by by Brian Bowland. It's really controversial with
Speaker 3: the American flag and in the space where the stars
Speaker 3: would be as the Nazi the swastika. So I immediately
Speaker 3: swamp Thing one fifty three immediately got a great throwback
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 1: But the thing that I think is really.
Speaker 3: Cool as well is you know, we've been talking a
Speaker 3: lot since Superman about Earth X, right, and this other universe.
Speaker 1: So in certain comic book versions of Earth X, that
Speaker 1: is a world where the Nazis won.
Speaker 3: And I think that is clearly what we're seeing here,
Speaker 3: even though it was not a and Captain Triumph and
Speaker 3: Peacemaker and you know, Blue Dragon.
Speaker 1: There's a reason this is what this man should have
Speaker 1: thought of, Like he just assumed they were to be
Speaker 1: racist in this. No, I don't want to hear about it.
Speaker 2: No superpowers, their weapons are fine.
Speaker 1: They have so much money too, Like the house is huge. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought this delivered on both the.
Speaker 3: Cameo, with a cameo that I honestly, for some reason
Speaker 3: I found Lex more exciting, maybe because we didn't see
Speaker 3: it coming. I also can think we can assume that
Speaker 3: there will be probably a big cameo in each of
Speaker 3: the other episodes.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way I loved the I loved
Speaker 2: I love the slightly humbled version of Lex. He's he listened.
Speaker 2: He completely disagrees with why he's in prison and doesn't
Speaker 2: think he understands, clearly very smart man that he broke
Speaker 2: the law in various ways, but he thinks he's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he appreciates that he got got they
Speaker 3: caught him.
Speaker 2: Sure, his pride, his arrogance has not been crushed in
Speaker 2: any way. He is he in Belle Reeve feeling like
Speaker 2: I'm above this. I don't believe that I acknowledge that
Speaker 2: you got me. And that brings out this really interesting
Speaker 2: side of him that I thought was so cool. I
Speaker 2: really loved it as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3: And also something that I thought was really interesting is
Speaker 3: this is one of the three episodes that James Gunn reviewed,
Speaker 3: So I mean that directed so I think like on
Speaker 3: the official podcast, he was basically like, this is a
Speaker 3: really important moment for not only peace Maker, but the
Speaker 3: entire DCU. And I do think that again, this is
Speaker 3: starting to have that feeling that the MC was always
Speaker 3: searching for, of a true connectivity between these TV TV
Speaker 3: and Yeah, I'm so August is now Nazis in this world.
Speaker 3: What happens like in the next two episodes, do they
Speaker 3: shut this world down? Does Peacemaker have to kill his family?
Speaker 3: Do our universe eleventh Street Kids worry about the fact
Speaker 3: that peace Maker didn't notice.
Speaker 1: This at all?
Speaker 3: And when do we see Judo Master Binali or this
Speaker 3: or next episode.
Speaker 2: Here's what. Here's what. I think We're gonna have to
Speaker 2: rescue Judomester.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's he's definitely becoming part of the team after this.
Speaker 2: We will have to rescue him, right yeah, which means
Speaker 2: that we're going to have to go wherever the people
Speaker 2: of color prisoners are or or one of the prisons.
Speaker 2: He can't go to all of them. Clearly, I think
Speaker 2: that personally, like, obviously this is a terrible universe. It's
Speaker 2: also none of their business, like leave.
Speaker 4: Just save your people and leave, get your people and leave,
Speaker 4: because you know you're trying to saw an incursion where
Speaker 4: then X comes to you know, he's.
Speaker 2: Going on here is in justice bullshit. It's also an
Speaker 2: altered dimension and it's like, let's go home. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: just leave, get your folks and leave. I think that
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen is we're gonna have to destroy these portals.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that's definitely gonna be the case.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to. This can't keep it's there's too
Speaker 2: many dangers, and certainly, I think what we've learned about Chris,
Speaker 2: although he's somehow by accident, been a decent steward of
Speaker 2: this extremely powerful thing. Yeah, he can't. I don't think
Speaker 2: he can be in whether we destroy it or take
Speaker 2: it from him. He can't be in control of this.
Speaker 3: No, he can't be trusted to be in control of it. Also,
Speaker 3: I do wonder if by the end of this we
Speaker 3: will because James Gunners said there's gonna be this crisis
Speaker 3: in the DCU, it's not something that we're thinking about,
Speaker 3: it's not something that we know, and that Peacemaker was
Speaker 3: gonna set up the you know, Man of Tomorrow, which
Speaker 3: is the second kind of Superman movie or Metropolis movie.
Speaker 3: So I also wonder if maybe they don't do that
Speaker 3: and we end up with the fact that these characters
Speaker 3: are in a situation where they suddenly have to deal
Speaker 3: with the fallout of not cleaning up this mess. I'd
Speaker 3: be very interested to see which route they go. But
Speaker 3: you are right, they just need to save at a
Speaker 3: Bio and Judo.
Speaker 1: Master and leave, like probably is the plan.
Speaker 2: This is like a meta meta observation that could be
Speaker 2: maybe a meta spoiler. I noticed that we got our
Speaker 2: screeners back like it was locked because of this episode,
Speaker 2: which leads me to believe.
Speaker 1: Or they made further they made further.
Speaker 3: They may have just given us the screener when it
Speaker 3: aired on HBO, which they sometimes will do so that
Speaker 3: you can watch it without paying.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, okay, so they so more to come.
Speaker 1: More to come.
Speaker 3: Basically, I think there's gonna be more crazy cameos. I
Speaker 3: think next episode we're probably gonna have to have a
Speaker 3: big action episode where they maybe we'll see Ads and
Speaker 3: Judo Master have to work together.
Speaker 1: I also wonder.
Speaker 3: If this is not going to be something that is
Speaker 3: easy to overcome for Ads and Peacemaker, because that's meant
Speaker 3: to be her best friend and he didn't notice any
Speaker 3: of this. He just wanted to move into this world
Speaker 3: where none of them existed.
Speaker 1: At no point did he ask why there wasn't another
Speaker 1: Ads or why he didn't see other people of color.
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is going to be hard.
Speaker 3: For them to overcome, a new potential conflict for where
Speaker 3: he's gonna have to prove himself.
Speaker 1: I'm rightfully so.
Speaker 2: I think that it's a It's a great point, and
Speaker 2: I think it strikes it the kind of central thesis
Speaker 2: of this show ever since season one, which is can
Speaker 2: you pull a guy like? And it's honestly, like kind
Speaker 2: of and you know, like I don't want to put
Speaker 2: too much on it, kind of an important question for
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 1: Like oh it is right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, is that that type of person, the person
Speaker 2: who has been who grew up in a milieu of racism,
Speaker 2: that is good hearted and empathic but doesn't understand.
Speaker 1: Like doesn't even comprehend.
Speaker 2: It doesn't comprehend it. Is that a person that you
Speaker 2: can like pull back, that you can like wake up
Speaker 2: and be like, because they're friends with you, that you
Speaker 2: can point out that, hey, didn't you notice, Like you
Speaker 2: didn't notice that? When does that tell you about your worldview?
Speaker 2: And so I think that they should and probably will
Speaker 2: be bothered by it. Like I think if I was
Speaker 2: being chased down the street by a Nazi.
Speaker 3: Mob because I tried to save my friend, this is
Speaker 3: the perfect weld who my good friend loves it, loves
Speaker 3: a lot of these people who are chasing me.
Speaker 2: I would have a problem with that, and I would
Speaker 2: hope that that would open my friend's eyes. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a conversation, right.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm ready for these next two episodes. This
Speaker 3: is really I saw a lot of people saying, you know,
Speaker 3: the season has felt really slow bun to them, but
Speaker 3: this episode really kicked it up. I think this episode
Speaker 3: is just pure entertained. This season is just pure entertainment.
Speaker 3: Like it has been so high quality and consistency for
Speaker 3: me this season, and for me, this just kicks us
Speaker 3: into like a really interesting final arc for the show. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I haven't thought the season was slowburn at all. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think I like this season on every level so much.
Speaker 3: More than me too, Like, no question, this is a
Speaker 3: far superior season.
Speaker 1: It's it's so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm interested to see if I'm interested to
Speaker 2: see if Chris gets called out.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I want to know, Like where does
Speaker 3: he end this season.
Speaker 2: For basically committing sexual assault in the Nazi universe like
Speaker 2: he did.
Speaker 1: Well well, bad time to be peace maker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fact that I ever realized that that was
Speaker 3: a He's like, I'm just the same person.
Speaker 1: It's like, you're not. You've literally replaced this woman's And here's.
Speaker 2: Here's the important question to me. I think obviously Judo
Speaker 2: master at a Bio Harcourt are gonna have feelings about this.
Speaker 2: What how much Chris has loved this universe. And to me,
Speaker 2: the big question, having been in participated in experienced situations
Speaker 2: where you have to call somebody out for a thing,
Speaker 2: how defensive does Chris get exactly? And is it like
Speaker 2: that's always.
Speaker 1: Physically as well.
Speaker 3: That's the thing because this man like just stabbed Rick
Speaker 3: Flag Junior in the hat with a piece of gloss
Speaker 3: because Amanda Walla told him to.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, yeah, it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 2: That's the thing that I always that happens every time
Speaker 2: when I've been in a situation where you have to
Speaker 2: rightfully say hey, just so you know, that was kind
Speaker 2: of fed up for that and the other and the person.
Speaker 2: The initial reaction every single time of every person is always.
Speaker 1: What, No, come on, get over it.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean anything bad that this, And so like
Speaker 2: what is Chris's reaction I think is really the most
Speaker 2: important issue, because is Chris going to be like, I mean,
Speaker 2: it can go I don't think it will go this way.
Speaker 2: But it's he's got a choice, which is I did
Speaker 2: enjoy it here, Like there's a world in which I
Speaker 2: can just.
Speaker 3: Ignore it exactly. That's what I have everything I want
Speaker 3: mm hmm.
Speaker 2: But that's his big choice what will you be willing.
Speaker 1: To ignore to be happy?
Speaker 3: And I think that that is also an incredible Again,
Speaker 3: this is another show where by the time you hit this,
Speaker 3: we've caught up with it so fast that you're kind
Speaker 3: of going, oh, okay, this is actually an important question
Speaker 3: that people need to ask themselves in real life too,
Speaker 3: you know twenty twenty five baby.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you mentioned that because I thought that
Speaker 2: to your point, so many shows that we've been yeah,
Speaker 2: we've been watching and talking about. It's like, to your point,
Speaker 2: the world's kind of events have caught up with the
Speaker 2: show to the point that the metaphor kind of falls
Speaker 2: apart in the face of it. I thought that this
Speaker 2: show actually did something very smart, which is Okay, Ever,
Speaker 2: all the people except the way people are gone. They're
Speaker 2: all gone. They were like, uh, let's see, so they
Speaker 2: jumped like kind of not way ahead, but farther ahead
Speaker 2: than everybody else has gone. And I think that that
Speaker 2: is as you unravel that, I'm like sitting here going,
Speaker 2: oh man, this shows like a lot deep we've gone again.
Speaker 3: I know this man is coming through with the political
Speaker 3: angles that we can't deny.
Speaker 2: Okay, incredible show. Can't wait Rosie Ye see what happens
Speaker 2: on the next episode.
Speaker 1: And Ian will be back on the next episode.
Speaker 3: We can get his thoughts and his success and I'm
Speaker 3: very excited.
Speaker 1: To see what happens next.
Speaker 2: On the next episode of Extra Vision, We're diving into
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