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Speaker 6: All right, curveballs, Yeah, we got some, We got some

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Speaker 4: Yes, so yes, so our four examples. We'll start with

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Speaker 7: But guys that I haven't seen this pitch volpi, right,

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Speaker 7: and if you can't, Kersh is going to abuse young

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Speaker 7: I think there just aren't that many of them anymore, right,

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Speaker 7: And I think what we've learned in this whole track

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Speaker 7: more on his seater still, But these guys are throwing

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Speaker 7: Probably saw a shit ton of them, and they were

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Speaker 7: probably all sliders, you know, like guys trying to throw

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean there's seventy three that you guys.

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Speaker 7: Amount, like it's not spun like that, and it's not

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Speaker 6: No. I think it's a really difficult thing too.

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Speaker 7: We're coach so much on spin and spinning it hard

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Speaker 7: And I don't think Clayton could throw this pitch at

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Speaker 7: But it's not a bad slider and it's his slider.

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Speaker 7: So they and they looked exactly same.

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Speaker 4: It's right under the F right under the Yeah, you're

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Speaker 6: Now stop it where the D is right, Okay, so

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Speaker 7: The grass, right, Yeah, we're talking half a finger under

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Speaker 6: And now go the next one.

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Speaker 7: Okay, keep going, go go go D.

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Speaker 6: See it's barely above it, same spot.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy.

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Speaker 6: But now watch the L go under the L. It's

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Speaker 7: I mean that's the only way I know how to see,

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Speaker 8: There's plenty of advertisements to reference. So that's fand up.

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Speaker 7: No, but and that's fifteen mile hour different and it's

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's really cool, dude.

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Speaker 4: All right, moving on to Charlie Morton here, I've got

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Speaker 7: Okay, So the one thing the reason I picked these

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Speaker 6: Like nobody can throw this pitch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it spins it over three thousand rpm.

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Speaker 7: The fastball will do the same thing, right, So try

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Speaker 7: it let's stop, So go back. I want to see

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Speaker 6: The R right, yeah, right here, it ends up under

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Speaker 8: It's got that armside run for those that are like

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Speaker 6: It's off the plate the whole time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so halfway marker, it's on the R. Yeah, it

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Speaker 6: Right now, that thing's starting in the U.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's starting even further out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's getting a cult strike on the outer black.

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Speaker 7: And honestly, like the strike the box is not helping

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Speaker 6: It's like inside of the te Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So you're talking like like if you if you really

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Speaker 6: And it's late and it's firm, and he still throws

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Speaker 8: And for what he's feeling, I feel like that ball

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Speaker 8: He's probably not pulling the trigger at that because of

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Speaker 1: And then how it darts back in.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's an auto take throw like, yeah, if he

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Speaker 6: He's tough.

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Speaker 7: And the thing is he what Charlie does, I think

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Speaker 6: Win.

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Speaker 7: A guy's gonna swing, and he'll throw the one that

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Speaker 7: When he's on strike, breaking ball like it's Adam to

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Speaker 7: so far out there, Yeah, it changes their perspective of

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean you see this curveball to Baity and

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Speaker 4: I mean this looks like it's headed to the righty

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Speaker 6: Yep. I mean that's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if this is something that he picked

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Speaker 6: Yeah, uh, a few guys.

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Speaker 7: Garcia does that as well, pretty well. Valdez is kind

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Speaker 6: But I don't know if this is a Houston thing, but.

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Speaker 7: I'll throw it right at him and it'll scare him

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Speaker 7: and it's still a strike, you know. I think he's

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: What's interesting with the two guys real quick too.

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Speaker 8: Think have just continued to pitch longer than anyone thought

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Speaker 7: I would say, number one, don't ever say that about

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Speaker 4: But.

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Speaker 5: Fair, fair, fair, No, I mean.

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Speaker 7: More than certainly an example of that, he's kind of

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Speaker 7: kind of did it again. Has become this sinker slurve

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it is. I think the ability to

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Speaker 7: Hill and the way he can spin it, like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: it doesn't doesn't matter velocity. If you throw the ball

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Speaker 7: And yeah, you know, I think both of them have

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Speaker 6: Morton lives and dies by that one and it doesn't

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Speaker 7: But yeah, but it's probably a forty throw for him,

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Speaker 6: And he doesn't do it right. Yeah, that's how special.

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Speaker 7: The ability to make that ball die or get depthy

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Speaker 7: I think probably the last guy that I can think

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Speaker 6: Similar again.

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Speaker 7: Guy similar to the way he's kind of operating. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Fallaw, yeah, I love it all right.

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Speaker 4: Two relievers real quick to wrap, Joe Kelly and Zach Thompson.

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Speaker 4: Kelly here I start with one hundred in on Donaldson's hands.

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Speaker 4: This is that smoky air in New York.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is Morton non steroids, right, This is the

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Speaker 7: The thing about Joe Kelly's curveball is that it is

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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I mean, this is ninety one, right.

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Speaker 7: And there's a there's a buckle down the way at

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Speaker 6: It's not like this thing at ninety miles an hour.

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Speaker 7: You can't make the ball move this much, right, you

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Speaker 8: Does does the arm side run of that hard fastball

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Speaker 6: After the heater to the drawing board again, I'll show

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Speaker 5: All right, did you just put master Glass right here? Okay, fastball?

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Speaker 7: So that thing starts all right, let's say, where's our

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Speaker 5: Crosses the dirt?

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Speaker 6: Really good video here?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, great.

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Speaker 6: So let's say the W right, and this thing ends up.

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Speaker 7: Down in right, Yeah, so it's got real he's got

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Speaker 6: And then the curveball is starting at the W at

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it would drop him downwards n.

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Speaker 6: That's nine miles an hour different. Yeah, And it's just

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Speaker 5: And that's the thing like it's one hundred and ninety one,

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Speaker 5: it's not ninety and eighty one, right.

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Speaker 6: It's all firm. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Do you ever wonder how these guys hit it all?

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Speaker 8: Like it's it's insane to me.

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Speaker 7: No, I got one Homer, I'm not really thatssic not impressed.

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Speaker 6: Certain guys. I don't understand how anyone ever touches the ball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, last one, last one of torque. This is ninety

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Well that's kind of the new thing, right, is the

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Speaker 7: Like things have changed in terms of the way guys

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Speaker 7: are trying to.

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Speaker 6: Swing, and noway different.

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Speaker 7: The lawn changle of the swing has has dictated some

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Speaker 7: some changes, right, Like this pitch is hung now if

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Speaker 7: it's like six inches lower than that.

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Speaker 6: That's what I was gonna ask you.

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Speaker 8: What's the difference between a hangar and the up changer

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Speaker 8: up up?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, the basis of the hangar has always been

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Speaker 7: that in certain spots guys can't spin it as good

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Speaker 7: when it's up. The assumption is that you don't spin

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Speaker 7: it as good, like he spins this bar really good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So it's hung at ninety and it's a knuckle curveball,

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Speaker 7: like it's probably not gonna be holl like, it's.

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Speaker 4: Not hung there's no you know. Yeah, all right, So

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Speaker 4: this is Kelly with a firm one. And then I

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Speaker 4: go to Zach Thompson as well, And this guy's got

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Speaker 4: a unique one because it's a big one for a

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Speaker 4: lefty relief. It is mid seventies, but I mean that

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Speaker 4: that things breaking a shit ton, dude.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And you can see in some of these swings

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Speaker 6: it's got like, uh.

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Speaker 7: Again, it's got like a little power to it, right,

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Speaker 7: like rich Hill Clayton kershel like. You can see the

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Speaker 7: difference in these two pitches. This one is thrown with

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Speaker 7: like intent and has like some lack of a better term,

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Speaker 7: like fuck you to it kind of.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. The first one's kind of laid in there.

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Speaker 7: It's supposed to be a strike, and he's trying to

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Speaker 7: throw a strike, right, and it's one mile an hour different, right,

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Speaker 7: Like he's really trying to throw the shit out of

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Speaker 7: the second one.

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Speaker 6: That one's late in there.

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Speaker 7: It's one oh some you know, assumed take This one's

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Speaker 7: too too, like trying to induce a swing, and he does,

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Speaker 7: and the biggest thing might be it gets a little

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Speaker 7: more lateral when he throws it. With intent, like in

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Speaker 7: terms of the ball comes out straight out of his hand.

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Speaker 6: And then goes that way as opposed to here. Right,

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Speaker 6: It's not always just a velocity difference.

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Speaker 7: It's direction difference and spin differential probably in terms of

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Speaker 7: the access of the ball. But yeah, he spins it

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Speaker 7: really good. He's he has since he's been at UK

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Speaker 7: and you know, I've known him for a little while

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Speaker 7: seen him throw over there. You know he's got a

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Speaker 7: special ability to get to the front side of the ball.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, those are two really it's kind of it's

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Speaker 7: a cool look at kind of strike breaking ball versus not.

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Speaker 7: And again when we're talking about the hangar thing, like

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Speaker 7: the height of that pitch is not perfect, right, but

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Speaker 7: that's what gets swings is.

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Speaker 6: That thing starts higher, want people want to launch it

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Speaker 6: and their eyes wide. And it's even a curveball that.

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Speaker 7: You're talking east west, you're not talking like that ball's

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Speaker 7: off the plate. It doesn't necessarily have to bounce, But

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Speaker 7: Clayton gets all the swings on bounces, right, It's just

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Speaker 7: it's a different pitch and spin direction and all that

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Speaker 7: kind of stuff plays into it. But you know, for good,

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Speaker 7: for good curveballs four different ones.

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Speaker 6: Love it.

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Speaker 5: Walker Buehler, you're the man. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: As always, we kept you long, so enjoy your week

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Speaker 4: and we'll talk to you next

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Speaker 6: Week's all good, all, thank you,