Speaker 1: We got our first look at the unofficial depth chart
Speaker 1: earlier this week. Which workie do you guys think has
Speaker 1: the best chance of moving up before the start of
Speaker 1: the season.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Raymond Bahassik, the young defensive tackle
Speaker 2: from North Carolina who had no expectations but has played
Speaker 2: pretty well the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: He could go from three to two none but Antonio Johnson.
Speaker 1: Welcome into our Wednesday edition of jag XAM. I'm Kennannie Stevens,
Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, John Osier with me this morning. Today's show
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Speaker 1: Camp about to get going. Players aren't quite out there,
Speaker 1: some of them might be. They're gonna get their stretch
Speaker 1: on soon and get practice going, and got a game
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Starting to feel like coming together.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: We got that unofficial depth chart, which is so official.
Speaker 2: Well that's the reason there are really no surprises on
Speaker 2: it right now. I mean, you look at a guy,
Speaker 2: you look at a guy like Antonio Johnson right who
Speaker 2: is three right now behind Daniel Thomas. Clearly he is
Speaker 2: a better prospect than Daniel Thomas's. And I really like
Speaker 2: Daniel Thomas and waited for him to become a guy
Speaker 2: who you could count on here. But he's three because
Speaker 2: behind Daniel Thomas, because he's a rookie.
Speaker 3: In a week that could change, ye And I said
Speaker 3: him at the top because he's clearly impressed. And is
Speaker 3: he ahead of Daniel Thomas? I don't know. You get
Speaker 3: the sense of the coaches believe that they have seen
Speaker 3: Daniel Thomas do the role so much that they don't
Speaker 3: want to switch that up. But maybe it's him. I
Speaker 3: don't know that any of them will move up from
Speaker 3: their spots before the regular season regular season, because it
Speaker 3: feels like that's sort of where they make sense. But
Speaker 3: if you get a numbers thing at safety, maybe Antonio
Speaker 3: in the past.
Speaker 2: And I brought up Vahasik because I watched him the
Speaker 2: last couple of days when they were in full pads,
Speaker 2: and I was, who is that guy? We're in fifty
Speaker 2: nine and that's Vahasik, who the seventh round pick from
Speaker 2: North Carolina that you know, overlooked in many cases, not
Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna contribute this year or maybe even next.
Speaker 2: But you can see the physical skills there. You can
Speaker 2: see why they drafted him. He's tough, He's.
Speaker 1: Strong a project they want to work on for sure.
Speaker 1: We'll touch a little bit more on that in a minute,
Speaker 1: but let's start with our big things. First big thing
Speaker 1: is buzz. We always talk about people not giving Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence the respect that he deserves. But Brian, you said,
Speaker 1: you saw some lists and you saw some things where
Speaker 1: he was getting maybe a little of the credit we
Speaker 1: think he may ye.
Speaker 2: Do you know the Athletic had him in that tier two,
Speaker 2: right just below the elite, and you know who the
Speaker 2: elites are, the Mahomes, the Burroughs, the Josh Allen's, Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers of the world. They put Justin Herbert in that
Speaker 2: and I think when you look at his stats and
Speaker 2: the things he's done in his first couple of years,
Speaker 2: he belongs there. And then there's that second tier of quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: and they had Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson and then Trevor.
Speaker 2: But listening to their podcast, it seems like, you know,
Speaker 2: they see a lot of buzz for Trevor moving in,
Speaker 2: you know, being that guy the weapons in his skill set.
Speaker 2: And then yesterday Bill Barnwell on ESPN site had Trevor
Speaker 2: as one of those guys who could jump into the
Speaker 2: MVP conversation in his third season in the NFL. So
Speaker 2: whether he can or he does, or any of that,
Speaker 2: there is a lot of buzz about Trevor Lawrence two
Speaker 2: weeks into training camp.
Speaker 3: I think those assessments, if you look at it as
Speaker 3: objectively as he can to make perfect sense, Jaguars fans
Speaker 3: all off season would get very upset with list. People
Speaker 3: get mad at lists, Brian because their guy isn't the top.
Speaker 2: I get mad at list.
Speaker 3: That's what journalism is these days. Lists. If you look
Speaker 3: at Trevor, that's sort of where if you step back
Speaker 3: from it all, he's had a half a really really
Speaker 3: good season and he was unbelievable for some moments. So
Speaker 3: it's given fans a lot of hope and I think
Speaker 3: he's going to be among that elite. But that's his
Speaker 3: storyline right now. He is about where they have him,
Speaker 3: with an incredibly good chance to go join the elite.
Speaker 3: This could be the year that happens, but if you're
Speaker 3: trying to be objective about it, you can't put him
Speaker 3: there yet.
Speaker 2: No, and I didn't suggest that he should be there yet.
Speaker 2: What's interesting is a year ago Kai he was a
Speaker 2: guy that everyone was disappointed in. Right, the national media
Speaker 2: didn't take the time to look at the prince of
Speaker 2: darkness who had been here in twenty twenty one, right,
Speaker 2: and what he had nearly done to this kid. So
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden to see it just dramatically
Speaker 2: change one hundred and eighty degrees, if you will, from
Speaker 2: the start of camp last year to the start of
Speaker 2: camp this year is amazing.
Speaker 1: Right, It's good to have good buzz, right, we always
Speaker 1: it's always when it's the other way around, that's not great.
Speaker 1: When it's a high expectation they're not delivering. But now
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, oh, well, we kind of maybe
Speaker 1: wrote that off or weren't thinking about it. Now it's
Speaker 1: like the way they finished the last season. Now people
Speaker 1: are thinking about it different way in terms of these
Speaker 1: aren't the same old Jacks.
Speaker 2: If you go back and look at the last nine
Speaker 2: games of last year, fifteen touchdowns and two interceptions, his
Speaker 2: completion percentage was seventy five point five percent, which led
Speaker 2: all quarterbacks during that time, and his quarterback rating was
Speaker 2: one o four point six That over those nine weeks
Speaker 2: was the highest quarterback efficiency rating in the league. So
Speaker 2: over the second half of the season, and John, you
Speaker 2: mentioned that he really had one half of one season
Speaker 2: that you could look at and go that was the
Speaker 2: elite stuff. The numbers back it up. It was elite stuff.
Speaker 2: He earned the buzz that he is getting right now,
Speaker 2: and we're out there watching him every day and the
Speaker 2: national media have been through and now we're getting a
Speaker 2: look at him with the weapons with another season in
Speaker 2: the offense.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: It's a good buzz. John.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no reason to think that he won't be
Speaker 3: there at the end, but meaning among the elite group.
Speaker 3: But you have to do it for seventeen games. He
Speaker 3: has to up to him assistant, and that's the storyline
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: It will be up to Trevor to prove it he does.
Speaker 2: Rick Meyer, if you recall all the way back in
Speaker 2: the early nineties, was the AFC rookie or the offensive
Speaker 2: rookie of the year with the Seattle Seahawks and was
Speaker 2: a terrible bust three years later. So I get your point.
Speaker 1: Not gonna happen here though, So never mind, We're gonna
Speaker 1: move to our big thing. Number two is reps.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Trevor talked a little bit. We had that in our
Speaker 1: last show about he likes to be out there in
Speaker 1: the preseason get the feel of a real game. And
Speaker 1: Doug came out on NFL Network during his interview to
Speaker 1: say that we will see the starters a little bit
Speaker 1: on Saturday in Dallas.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a big believer in the starters playing,
Speaker 4: and I really feel like they need to feel sort
Speaker 4: of that energy that comes with that comes with starting
Speaker 4: a football game. And so I did it last year,
Speaker 4: you know, with the guys, and anticipate right now, We're
Speaker 4: still a few days away, but anticipating I'm getting you know,
Speaker 4: maybe a series or two, you know, this weekend. And
Speaker 4: you know, we're still in that evaluation mode. As you know,
Speaker 4: we got a lot of young players that we need
Speaker 4: to evaluate. So they're also going to get a lot
Speaker 4: of time, you know, in this football game. But right now,
Speaker 4: I anticipate our starters playing, you know, playing a little bit,
Speaker 4: at least getting a series or two in this game.
Speaker 1: See, the quarterbacks are on the same page, and by
Speaker 1: that I mean Trevor Lawrence and former quarterback Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1: What's the ideal amount of time we see Trevor in
Speaker 1: this game on Saturday?
Speaker 3: Oh, I wou'd say two series, if the first series
Speaker 3: is eight plays in a touchdown, one series, just enough
Speaker 3: to where you don't overdo this. But I think there
Speaker 3: are coaches and maybe dougs like this. If you get
Speaker 3: a good one in, then get him out. If you
Speaker 3: get two clunkers, then you say, well, you had your chance.
Speaker 3: Let's go wrap it up next week. You know, let's
Speaker 3: go do it again next week. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: leave you out there for five to get you hurt.
Speaker 3: But I think plays twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he had twelve past attempts in the
Speaker 2: game against the Browns here last year, so that seems right,
Speaker 2: and you build towards next week where he'll play the
Speaker 2: first half and maybe the first series or the third quarter,
Speaker 2: and that'll be it for him in the preses. And
Speaker 2: so a little bit of work to get warmed up for.
Speaker 1: Detroit is echo for all the first string starters. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like some position groups may need a little
Speaker 1: more time out there? What do you look at at
Speaker 1: this point in the preseason.
Speaker 2: I think you might give the offensive line some more
Speaker 2: time because you are working through I mean, you've got
Speaker 2: play cancer is going to start for Shatley and little
Speaker 2: is in it left tackle, and obviously Anton Harrison's there,
Speaker 2: so and you might want to give CJ. Bether a
Speaker 2: running start with the first team line. I could see
Speaker 2: the first team line playing more than two series.
Speaker 3: It sounded from what Doug said this morning meeting with
Speaker 3: the media that the veteran starters will all play about
Speaker 3: the same So I would expect that to be that number.
Speaker 3: We're talking about twelve plays just two series, depend on
Speaker 3: how it goes. But then he mentioned Anton Harrison could
Speaker 3: play a little bit more. I think the rookies who
Speaker 3: expect to contribute will get a lot of that second
Speaker 3: or a second and third series through the middle of
Speaker 3: the third quarter type thing. But he may be the
Speaker 3: only guy who really fits into that. Harrison, Bigsby, guys
Speaker 3: like that could I expect to expect Bigsby, for example,
Speaker 3: to get some work with the ones, because it seems
Speaker 3: like you want to work that in a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, which is why you'd leave them in a little
Speaker 2: bit longer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so then you leave the rookies in a little
Speaker 3: bit longer.
Speaker 1: All right, moving on to big thing three. Touch on
Speaker 1: this in a little bit as well. So we have
Speaker 1: that unofficial depth chart which doesn't mean a ton because
Speaker 1: a lot of it just looks very similar to last year.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of notes that we do want
Speaker 1: to bring up just if you haven't had a chance
Speaker 1: to look at it yet. Right now, we have Blake
Speaker 1: Hants is going to be in it left guard. That's
Speaker 1: because Tyler Shatley has not been cleared to play yet,
Speaker 1: and Anton Harrison, as you mentioned, is going to be
Speaker 1: starting at right tackle. Did Doug say whether or not
Speaker 1: he was going to be playing like full go, because
Speaker 1: we've seen him help out a little bit and perhaps.
Speaker 3: What Doug said he'll play, And as I said, he
Speaker 3: actually specified that he could play a little longer than
Speaker 3: the starter, So it sounds like he's he's back.
Speaker 2: Getting set up for next week in Detroit, right. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's where you're really going to show up, and we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about that a lot next week. But
Speaker 2: that's where you want to get a lot of really
Speaker 2: good work in. It's where the starters will get their
Speaker 2: most valuable work in of the entire preseason.
Speaker 1: We talked about our at this at the broadcast meeting
Speaker 1: yesterday and there were some differing opinions. Tony Miscelli and
Speaker 1: some of the other people were trying to decide whether
Speaker 1: we see the starters mostly in Detroit or mostly against Miami.
Speaker 1: I think Tony thought some of them would play more
Speaker 1: in Miami, but most of us thought you'd see him
Speaker 1: more in Detroit. What do you guys think in terms
Speaker 1: of starters.
Speaker 3: In the trend that would if if that's the case,
Speaker 3: would be the first time Tony was ever wrong.
Speaker 1: Oh, don't make me misquote him now, I'm scared of misremembering.
Speaker 3: So, uh, yeah, I would expect them to play mostly
Speaker 3: in Detroit and then not play against Miami.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, here's the difference. What are we three
Speaker 2: seasons now to three preseason games and you learn, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have two weeks between the preseason finale and the
Speaker 2: regular season opener. So if you wanted to get a
Speaker 2: little bit of work in.
Speaker 1: Again, still have a full break before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still two weeks to get guys, you know,
Speaker 2: ready to go. So I guess what I'm saying is, John,
Speaker 2: when you and I started in this thing, there was
Speaker 2: a definite rhythm every year too.
Speaker 3: There's also four games and different was a different deal.
Speaker 2: But now it's kind of changing every year. Well, coaches
Speaker 2: is a hard spot.
Speaker 3: Coaches in general don't like making their own decisions on this.
Speaker 3: They like following the league trend because it's safe and
Speaker 3: just like most people. So, I think what we're seeing
Speaker 3: now is the process. We're three years into it. We're
Speaker 3: seeing the process of league think trying to take hold.
Speaker 3: Meaning what's everybody else doing?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: It is Bill Belichick in twenty eleven in the preseason
Speaker 2: finale against this team in New England, where he sat
Speaker 2: every one of his starters on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 2: and since then, the third or the last preseason game
Speaker 2: has been in consequential for starters.
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick making the trends that what you're.
Speaker 2: Saying, He made it easy for those guys to do
Speaker 2: their thing because Jack came out that night and do
Speaker 2: the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: Set all all set too. Yeah, all right, Looking forward,
Speaker 1: we got a lot more coming up. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: a peek at training camp. The tight ends are getting
Speaker 1: in there and getting things done, and that'll be a
Speaker 1: fun group for us to watch. We'll keep an eye
Speaker 1: on things and we'll be right back with more here
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Speaker 1: dot com today. What day is it? Wednesday, August ninth,
Speaker 1: the mosing track of days. At this point, I think
Speaker 1: we're on day twelve training camp.
Speaker 2: Today is day twelve, and hey, tomorrow is the thirteenth
Speaker 2: practice in the end of open practice.
Speaker 1: Open practice, and then we have games and soon enough
Speaker 1: the season will be here. This is all good things.
Speaker 1: Players are out there right now. We're gonna go over
Speaker 1: the fifty three. That's where we look at players that
Speaker 1: are maybe on the bubble of this team, or players
Speaker 1: that need to have a really good training camp if
Speaker 1: they want to have a spot, a meaningful place on
Speaker 1: this team. As the fifty three begin, we are going
Speaker 1: to start with John today. Who did you pick for
Speaker 1: the fifty three and who are you looking at to
Speaker 1: make a difference for themselves in training camp?
Speaker 3: Well, I went to Blake Canson. I don't think the
Speaker 3: fact that he's never one in the depth chart means
Speaker 3: that he's the guy that, if all things being equal,
Speaker 3: would start at left guard.
Speaker 1: Right. That's what we mean by the depth chart being
Speaker 1: kind of where it's at right now.
Speaker 3: But for right now he's there. And I think what's
Speaker 3: significant there is you've got Ben Barts, who I think,
Speaker 3: when healthy, will come back and be that guy. And
Speaker 3: then I think Shatt will go back to being the
Speaker 3: swing guy when he becomes healthy. But you need guys
Speaker 3: in this league who can be your ninth tenth up
Speaker 3: and down from the practice squad guy there if you
Speaker 3: need it. And on the offensive line, those guys are very,
Speaker 3: very import because if you get an injury or two,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you look up and that guy's
Speaker 3: protecting Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: It certainly seems like out of the abyss that is
Speaker 3: the backup offensive lineman, Blake Hants has become the guy
Speaker 3: that they feel like, Okay, we can rely on this
Speaker 3: in a pinch. And I think if he's not on
Speaker 3: the fifty three, I think he's one of those ten
Speaker 3: that becomes very important with the practice squad more and
Speaker 3: more Brian being being an extension of the roster without
Speaker 3: a doubt.
Speaker 2: And I think you mentioned I was looking something up
Speaker 2: that he's a guy who has played left hand right,
Speaker 2: He can play tackle if you need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he's a versatile guy and well, he's also
Speaker 3: been He's also been around a minute. It's difficult for
Speaker 3: rookie free agent offensive lineman to catch on and be
Speaker 3: a legitimate seventh guy in your rotation. He's been in camps.
Speaker 3: He came into the league in nineteen, so he's more
Speaker 3: a grown man with a few years experience, a few
Speaker 3: years around the league. Those are usually the guys that
Speaker 3: you wants that emergency.
Speaker 1: Gay versatility on the offensive line is immeasurable, and to
Speaker 1: have the depth that they have on this team, that's
Speaker 1: very fortunate. I don't think they're going to go to
Speaker 1: waste with that and keep as many as they can.
Speaker 2: Right we're seeing it right now. I mean the ability
Speaker 2: to plug him in because you're on your essential your
Speaker 2: third left guard. Chatley was the backup and Ben Bartch
Speaker 2: goes down. Now you've got hands you've got to put in.
Speaker 2: You know, Cam Robinson goes down. Last year they put
Speaker 2: Walker Little in, and now Cam suspended, Walker Little needs
Speaker 2: to play. I mean, it's the versatility issue, and it
Speaker 2: goes back to Phil Rauscher and what a good young
Speaker 2: line coach he is.
Speaker 1: We complained about a lot of things, but we can't
Speaker 1: like normally, if you have that kind of injury on
Speaker 1: your offensive line, you're in a lot of trouble. But
Speaker 1: fortunately for us, they're able to deep group is a
Speaker 1: very deep group. So that's a strong suit for this team. Brian,
Speaker 1: who do you have for your player for the fifty
Speaker 1: three US?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going with you, Sir Abdullah. You know, third
Speaker 2: day of the draft pick pass rusher, which everyone is
Speaker 2: focused on. And I know that there's a lot of
Speaker 2: angst now that Justin Houston has signed, and there are
Speaker 2: visits Jami Clowney's in Baltimore today and people are throwing
Speaker 2: their hands up. So you and I were looking at
Speaker 2: the numbers yesterday. The Jaguars had thirty five sacks, half
Speaker 2: of what the Eagles had, who led the league, and
Speaker 2: the Jaguars were twenty fifth. Let me throw a number
Speaker 2: at you though, and this is from the Cowboys last year.
Speaker 2: The Dallas Cowboys led the league in pressures right, impacting
Speaker 2: the quarterback two hundred and seventy one times. Do you
Speaker 2: know who was where the Jaguars come.
Speaker 3: In pretty high, really high.
Speaker 2: They just weren't two hundred and fifty three third, which
Speaker 2: means that the Jaguars got good pressure in the quarterback.
Speaker 2: Last year they didn't finish, so we're expecting that from
Speaker 2: Trayvon Walker. We hope we see that this year in
Speaker 2: a varied defense. Josh Allen alluded to that calebon Chay
Speaker 2: Sun's going to have a chance.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen a lot from him on the training
Speaker 2: camp field, but your syre of Duel is going to
Speaker 2: have an opportunity in these preseason games to see if
Speaker 2: he can become that third guy. He was a prolific
Speaker 2: pass rusher at Louisville to get twenty two or twenty
Speaker 2: three sacks in two seasons there where he was a starter.
Speaker 2: They need a third pass rusher, a change it up guy.
Speaker 2: And remember he's one of those do a lot of
Speaker 2: things guys on defense because he's not just unique and Gockway.
Speaker 2: For all of his pass rush prowess, say that three
Speaker 2: times fast, no, okay. For all that he could do
Speaker 2: rushing the passer going forward, he was a non factor
Speaker 2: against the run. He was an effort guy, but he
Speaker 2: couldn't hold up against the run. This is a guy
Speaker 2: who can which allows Mike Caldwell to do some different
Speaker 2: things with him. Bob Sutton and Mike to sit up
Speaker 2: late at night on Tuesdays and scheme away to get
Speaker 2: him into the game plan. So I'm watching him really
Speaker 2: closely this week and against Dallas because they really need
Speaker 2: a young guy to come through, whether it's him or.
Speaker 1: Caleb On and change is necessary. Josh Allen himself is
Speaker 1: saying they're getting different play calls going in practice and
Speaker 1: what they're doing in training camp. He hopes transitions into
Speaker 1: the games because obviously they struggled with the pass rush
Speaker 1: last year and he's hoping that the changes will stick.
Speaker 2: So just to connect a couple things real quick. Third
Speaker 2: most pressures two hundred and fifty three right, Kansas City
Speaker 2: was second to two fifty five twenty five takeaways, fifth
Speaker 2: most in the league. The Jaguars are close, right, I
Speaker 2: mean they're close in Samirius last year. Can they get
Speaker 2: back to this level but top it off and increase
Speaker 2: the sacks?
Speaker 1: And they have to. I will touch on another thing
Speaker 1: with the sr of Duela. He obviously came out there.
Speaker 1: You know, he's underside this, that and the other. He
Speaker 1: just seems like he gets it. And I say this
Speaker 1: from other people's points of view as well, not just
Speaker 1: my own, but Jeff Logman was talking about it as well.
Speaker 1: He just has the moves, like if something doesn't work,
Speaker 1: he switches so quickly and just comprehends it in a
Speaker 1: way that not everybody does. Other people have the sheer size,
Speaker 1: maybe they look the part, but the asier has been
Speaker 1: so quick on the uptake that he sees him as
Speaker 1: someone that could definitely make an impact.
Speaker 2: John, I don't know if people have had a chance
Speaker 2: to see it, because the pass rush is so far
Speaker 2: away from the stands here and it's generally way over
Speaker 2: in a corner where we're not able to access. You
Speaker 2: see fifty six a lot. You see him. Yep, he pops.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's always winning, but you see
Speaker 2: fifty six.
Speaker 3: And if you pop as a rookie just a little bit,
Speaker 3: then you usually come on and you're better as time
Speaker 3: goes on, because you don't know anything right now if
Speaker 3: you're a rookie. So that's always encouraging. Just one final
Speaker 3: point in the defense before we move on. There's sort
Speaker 3: of a perception among Jaguars fans and maybe I fall
Speaker 3: into it too. Oh, the offense is good around here,
Speaker 3: in the defense is bad. Like that's sort of what
Speaker 3: every ozone question is sort of predicated on that they
Speaker 3: were actually tired for fourth in the league in takeaways
Speaker 3: last year and twelfth in points allowed, with a first
Speaker 3: year coordinator and every starter. The only guy they lost
Speaker 3: is arden Key, and everybody's sort of gnash teeth about that,
Speaker 3: and they didn't want to lose arden but he's the
Speaker 3: only guy they lost. Well, you can look at that
Speaker 3: two ways, whether he didn't make it improvements or I
Speaker 3: get that. Continuity is not as talked about on offense
Speaker 3: as I mean on defense as it is an offense,
Speaker 3: but it matters, and Josh Allen sure thinks they're going
Speaker 3: to be better because of continuity. So I don't think
Speaker 3: this defense is going to be a top three defense
Speaker 3: that you remember as one of the great defenses of
Speaker 3: all time. But if it's healthy, I certainly think that
Speaker 3: it can improve enough to compliment what could be a
Speaker 3: very good offense.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if all the shutdown defense is necessary.
Speaker 2: Well, you like to say fans fan an angst is
Speaker 2: part of being a fan as you look at your team,
Speaker 2: So there's going to be some of that real quick.
Speaker 2: We focus so much on the front right because everyone
Speaker 2: wants the sack, the strip that kind of thing. But
Speaker 2: on the back end last year, Darius Williams was fourth
Speaker 2: in the league, tied for fourth with sixteen passes defense.
Speaker 2: By the way, Sauce Gardner led the league at twenty
Speaker 2: so not that far off right, and Tyson Campbell was
Speaker 2: one behind in fifth place for with fifteen and together
Speaker 2: they were the most productive cornerback tandem in terms of
Speaker 2: breaking up passes. And by the way, you can say
Speaker 2: the same for the safeties Rayshawn Jenkins and Andre Cisco,
Speaker 2: who had a combined twenty two and were first and
Speaker 2: third among safeties breaking up passes. So the point being,
Speaker 2: the back end was pretty good last year, late better
Speaker 2: than early. You talk about continuity upfront, they're talking about
Speaker 2: continuity of the secondary.
Speaker 3: They are.
Speaker 1: For my pick for the fifty three, we're gonna switch
Speaker 1: to offense really quick. I just want to touch on
Speaker 1: this a little bit because we've been hearing his name
Speaker 1: so often. Kevin Austin junior, Kevin Austin was on the
Speaker 1: practice squad last year. He's someone that's really taking advantage
Speaker 1: of the opportunities he's had in camp. You know, his
Speaker 1: names come up with Trevor, his name's come up with
Speaker 1: Doug and I feel like when you're you know, we
Speaker 1: can make our observations, but when you're hearing it from
Speaker 1: you know, press sailor from Doug and they're noting them
Speaker 1: as a person that they're noticing, that's a good sign
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wonder for Kevin, he really has shown up.
Speaker 3: I wonder if he won't have to be a practice
Speaker 3: squad guy one more year, not that he hasn't improved,
Speaker 3: but only because they still like Tim Jones. Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: deep there. You have Parker Washington who's making the team.
Speaker 3: So I think it's a good thing. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: this is a deep team where you're having trouble finding
Speaker 3: a spot for a kid who probably deserves a spot.
Speaker 2: Bro, I'll give you two other guys, Seth Williams from
Speaker 2: Auburn and Jerray Jenkins from LSU. They are a year behind,
Speaker 2: right because Kevin Austin has improved, but they're big, tall
Speaker 2: receivers with long arms and great leaping ability. They can
Speaker 2: high point the ball. I think Kevin Austin's a really
Speaker 2: intriguing player because he was coming on in the practice
Speaker 2: field last year. Late in the season. He could push
Speaker 2: Tim Jones.
Speaker 1: I think also, if he doesn't make the rosters you mentioned,
Speaker 1: he might be someone else. Someone else picks up and
Speaker 1: has a spot for Maybe they're not as deep at
Speaker 1: wide receiver as the Jaguars are and they give him
Speaker 1: a chance.
Speaker 2: Wide receivers and linebackers are contributors on special teams. So
Speaker 2: let's see what he does in Dallas on Saturday night
Speaker 2: on spot. That's going to be the differentiating factor for
Speaker 2: the sixth spot.
Speaker 1: We're all wondering what Doug Peterson is going to do
Speaker 1: in terms of starters on Saturday. We will see how
Speaker 1: long they are out there. He's running practice today, he's
Speaker 1: got the visor on, He's ready to go for training camp.
Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on things. We got a little
Speaker 1: bit more coming up on jags Am after the break.
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Speaker 1: We are in the Hyundai studios for you today. Trevor
Speaker 1: getting some work in as we get one of the
Speaker 1: last Well, I guess more than tense practices were earlier
Speaker 1: this week. These are a little more run through ESQ
Speaker 1: before we get to preseason game on Saturday, We're going
Speaker 1: to look around the league. There's some stuff going on.
Speaker 1: Justin Houston signing with the Panthers earlier this week, again
Speaker 1: another pass rusher. We talk about it ad nauseum. They
Speaker 1: have not brought in a new big name to try
Speaker 1: to help their own pass rush. Is there anyone left
Speaker 1: out there that you guys would be interested in bringing
Speaker 1: in at this point.
Speaker 2: They're all in their early thirties. I'm melvin Ingram in
Speaker 2: Miami last week year had ten sacks. Right. Robert Quinn
Speaker 2: was a very productive pass rusher for years, but last
Speaker 2: year did nothing in Philly. Both are thirty three. If
Speaker 2: you want one of those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't followed this as much as fans have
Speaker 3: because I just don't have a feeling that they're that
Speaker 3: interested in it. Meaning the Jaguars aren't that interesting. So
Speaker 3: I think they believe that they have young guys who
Speaker 3: as a group can get pressure, and I think overall
Speaker 3: they look at that stat Brian throughout his team got
Speaker 3: pressure on the passer last year. They just can't get sacks,
Speaker 3: got great pressure. I have said for months, I don't
Speaker 3: think they see this as the same crisis.
Speaker 2: No, that observers did no, and you don't want to
Speaker 2: go throw a lot of money at a thirty three
Speaker 2: year old in wonder you know if Melvin got ten
Speaker 2: sacks in Miami, does he have that? Here's what you
Speaker 2: got going for you this year. I think Roy Robertson Harris.
Speaker 2: At the end of last year, John really came on.
Speaker 2: He was a dominant factor in games in New York
Speaker 2: and against the Chargers.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: Devon Hamilton, who didn't start camp on the practice field,
Speaker 2: has been pushing guys around in the middle right. Talk
Speaker 2: about creating sack opportunities. When the quarterback can't stand in
Speaker 2: the pocket. Guys like Josh and tray Von or Kaylevon
Speaker 2: or you see her are going to be able to
Speaker 2: hunt on the edges because the quarterback is looking. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons to believe that they will
Speaker 2: get over the top this year. Of course, people an't
Speaker 2: gonna believe it until they see it.
Speaker 3: Be better against the run, get in better pass rushing
Speaker 3: situations on third down, get leads, and get pass rushing
Speaker 3: situations late in the game. It's not just to that's
Speaker 3: usually where good him And why did the Eagles have
Speaker 3: seventy sacks because they were ahead all the time, and
Speaker 3: I got sacks late in the game. I'm assume I
Speaker 3: haven't looked at this. That's usually the formula. Teams that
Speaker 3: have leads are often good pass rushing teams, and.
Speaker 1: That's where we want to be at, playing with big
Speaker 1: leads and letting the defense go off and do what they.
Speaker 3: Need to do.
Speaker 1: Another look around the league. We talked a little bit
Speaker 1: about The Quarterback Show on Netflix earlier this week, but
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks is back on HBO last night. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys got a chance to check it out.
Speaker 1: I stayed up late to check it out. I stayed
Speaker 1: up late because and he gets here so early for
Speaker 1: training camp, so I feel like it's score lot like
Speaker 1: I stay up late to watch it. But Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is just interesting in every facet of the game. Did
Speaker 1: you get a chance to check it out? Brent?
Speaker 2: I saw little bits and pieces of it. I had
Speaker 2: chaos going at my house last night. I saw the
Speaker 2: bit with Sauce Gardner graduating. I really I like him
Speaker 2: a lot. I spent some time with him in Las
Speaker 2: Vegas last year before the draft. Uh So I focused
Speaker 2: on him and not only is a great player, but
Speaker 2: he's a great kid. The Rogers thing, I don't know,
Speaker 2: he's weird to me. The Dark Tree, there was a
Speaker 2: couple of psychedelic toad venom.
Speaker 1: They make him a look a lot more normal, which
Speaker 1: I believe he is on the inside, a little bit
Speaker 1: more normal than he might come across. But there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things where they're at the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: game and he's talking to Sauce Gardner, and it's just
Speaker 1: like the age difference is so it's it's adorable. It's
Speaker 1: really like them trying to have a conversation, like a
Speaker 1: kid talking to his dad. Sometimes it's just like there's
Speaker 1: something lost in translation there.
Speaker 3: I like because I'm always fascinated by how much having
Speaker 3: so much money will allow people to go in terms
Speaker 3: of personality something else. So I've always liked Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: I like somebody who kind of says whatever he thinks,
Speaker 3: and I love his own thing. I didn't see that
Speaker 3: version of Hard Knocks. I don't know how much I'll
Speaker 3: watch it. I'm not a huge Hard Knocks guy, but
Speaker 3: people like it. I'm fine with it. I turned it
Speaker 3: on IM just glad it's not here because you.
Speaker 2: And I talked about watching it so we could talk
Speaker 2: about it on the show. But I just I'm like John,
Speaker 2: I kind of a hard time watching other teams because
Speaker 2: we live it every day.
Speaker 1: This is true, although it's a good thing that they
Speaker 1: we don't qualify for Hard Knocks as of right now
Speaker 1: because the team is good. You know, if you have
Speaker 1: a winning record, you don't have to be on the show.
Speaker 1: They made the Jets be on the the NFL made
Speaker 1: the Jets be on the show. So it's a good
Speaker 1: thing for us that we're trending upwards.
Speaker 2: There's probably well someone watching this who remembers Jaguar Summer
Speaker 2: that was non HBO. It was NFL Network in two
Speaker 2: thousand and four. They embedded their cameras with us and
Speaker 2: spent the entire summer here and did Jaguar Summer, which
Speaker 2: was Hard Knocks in a year that they didn't have
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks on HBO.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll have to go look for the throwback. That
Speaker 1: sounds interesting.
Speaker 2: I think the most interesting part was Chris Fuamatu Mafala.
Speaker 2: There's another one to say three times, uh, the the
Speaker 2: Samoan running back from Utah who did a flaming torch
Speaker 2: dance at a club barbecue out at Hannah Park one night.
Speaker 2: It was exhilarating to watch.
Speaker 3: All right, we go. There's a reason to look at
Speaker 3: that up.
Speaker 1: If you guys like reality, behind the behind the scenes
Speaker 1: sort of things, definitely want to check that out. We
Speaker 1: have a little sneak peak of something coming up for
Speaker 1: you after the break as well that if you like
Speaker 1: to see all of the stuff that's going on here
Speaker 1: at Jags camp in the building in the nec you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a peek at it. We got a bunch
Speaker 1: of fans out there today, stay with us. I'll give
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Speaker 3: I do watch that and I live that. They do
Speaker 3: an excellent job with us. Yeah, that's that's our hard knots.
Speaker 1: I'll give us a pat on the back. We all
Speaker 1: do a good job with that and your presence. It's
Speaker 1: just it brings us all together.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it about your job.
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Speaker 1: Will be back with you on Thursday morning for jagsam
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Speaker 1: Training camp is underway. Thank you for joining us. We
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