WEBVTT - Farmer's Almanac: Literature to Poop To

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Howdy and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry's here too, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're just some homey folksy types ready to spin a

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<v Speaker 2>good yarn for you about the old farmer's almond.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. You know why I commissioned this one, why, Chuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I thought it would be fun to put a

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<v Speaker 3>old farmer's almanac in the outhouse at my camp.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, wait, first, you have an outhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>I have an outthouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it just a pit like a latrine with a

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<v Speaker 2>log over it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's a composting toilet okay, with a little solar

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<v Speaker 3>panel outside that runs a fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and there's the fan.

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<v Speaker 3>Do the fan moves air through to provide aerobic interaction.

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<v Speaker 3>Next the uh with the with the with the poop

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<v Speaker 3>and the composting pete.

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<v Speaker 2>I just made a compost t like that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>used to submerged little fountain pump to create the air movement. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty neat.

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<v Speaker 3>It is neat. So yeah, I got a composting toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good.

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<v Speaker 3>It helps. Uh, I don't use it. I use it

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<v Speaker 3>to go poopy if I'm there for more than a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 3>But largely I put it there so, you know, some

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<v Speaker 3>of some of the ladies in my life and and friends,

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<v Speaker 3>wives and things, I don't like to squad in the woods.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them don't mind, sure, But I put that

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<v Speaker 3>there so everyone would want to go camping at the

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<v Speaker 3>camp and be like, yeah, you got a composting toilet.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel good about.

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<v Speaker 2>Using it, right, I can. I can see the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>between the couple and the kitchen back in Atlanta, like, well, no,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a composting toilet. Well, now i'm you know

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<v Speaker 2>you can count me in.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and now I gotta He's got a composting toilet

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<v Speaker 3>and an old farmer's almanac in that outhouse because I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it would just be sort of a fun thing,

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<v Speaker 3>because I knew from growing up as a kid that

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<v Speaker 3>an old in the South, that an old farmer's almanac

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<v Speaker 3>was quite a common thing to find in a bathroom

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<v Speaker 3>or an outhouse to read while you're there on the john.

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<v Speaker 3>So I have one there from a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to get a new one. It should change

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<v Speaker 3>it every year. You know. It's sort of the whole

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<v Speaker 3>point of an ominac. And so I thought I was

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<v Speaker 3>reading it the other day when I was up there

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<v Speaker 3>cutting your grass, and I was like, I really don't

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<v Speaker 3>even know the history of these things, and so let's

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<v Speaker 3>find out.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you read them when you were a kid too?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a little bit here and there. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>very interesting for a kid. Sure, I could see that,

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<v Speaker 3>But my grandmother, Bryant, my dad's mom, was a backyard

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<v Speaker 3>farmer her whole life, and you know, she was one

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<v Speaker 3>of these people that put a lot of stock in

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<v Speaker 3>the Farmer's Almanac, and so it was just something I

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<v Speaker 3>knew about in my life as a kid. Probably didn't

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<v Speaker 3>read it a ton, though.

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<v Speaker 2>I was never exposed to it, I knew it existed.

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<v Speaker 3>You were from the north, yeah, I was Midwest, but

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<v Speaker 3>to Georgia, Ohio was the north. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, but there was corn corn everywhere around where I lived,

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<v Speaker 2>So it is a little surprising. But the biggest surprise

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<v Speaker 2>that I received since we started researching this is that

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<v Speaker 2>you me apparently used to read the Farmer's Almanac when

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<v Speaker 2>she was a little kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing you ever tell me about Umi will surprise me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true. You just never know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you really don't. It's great for those of you

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<v Speaker 2>who've never met you mean, you wouldn't consider her a

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<v Speaker 2>farmer's almanac type.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty safe to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah so I was. I thought that was neat. She's

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<v Speaker 2>very well rounded. But I, in like chia pet fashion,

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<v Speaker 2>went on and ordered this time myself a Farmer's Almanac.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to order you one, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet he's already got one on him.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh look at you. Very smart. Also, I've made a

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<v Speaker 3>joke about you're from the North as it out. As

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<v Speaker 3>we'll see, the Old Farmer's Almanac came from New England originally. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was, you know, people from the north. There's plenty

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<v Speaker 3>of farming that went on all over the country.

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<v Speaker 2>By god, they even cover the weather forecast for the year.

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<v Speaker 3>In California exactly. They don't discriminate, all right, So big

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<v Speaker 3>thanks to Dave Ruse who helped us out with this one.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk mostly about the Old Farmer's Almanac,

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<v Speaker 3>but we will talk a little bit about its rival,

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<v Speaker 3>the Farmer's Almanac. But we're talking about the Old Farmers

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<v Speaker 3>Almanac the one that's looked the same since its inception,

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<v Speaker 3>with that yellow cover, the four seasons. It's very Did

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<v Speaker 3>you get yours in the mail yet? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I pre ordered it. I won't arrive until August thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, this is for next year. Yes, it's very smart.

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<v Speaker 3>Or do you hear in advance?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean what am I going to do? Be like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened two weeks ago getting this year's you know?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like why that.

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<v Speaker 3>You could one from August to December? You could surely

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<v Speaker 3>gain some insight.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I don't like to waste money. I'd rather just wait.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's been the same. We'll talk a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more about the cover and its presentation and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's very iconic looking if you've ever seen one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been around since seventeen ninety two. That's amazing, which

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<v Speaker 3>means it's the oldest continuously published periodical in North America.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I looked it up. That's the oldest published

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<v Speaker 2>anything that's been continuously printed in North America. Is the

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<v Speaker 2>Hartford Kurant or sorted as the Connecticut Kuran in seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four, not too much sooner than the farmer's almanac.

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<v Speaker 2>But then if you look for the world, the Swiss

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<v Speaker 2>have us beat by a mile. Yeah, they have a

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<v Speaker 2>what's called The Post and Domestic Times, the post ach

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<v Speaker 2>inrich tid Niningar Okay, And again that means the Post

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<v Speaker 2>and Domestic Times, which has been printed tinuously since sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty five. Amazing, But still that's nothing to sneeze at

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen ninety two. And they never missed an addition.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty good, Yeah, yeah, totally. And these these books, basically,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean those sort of an almanac craze at one point,

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<v Speaker 3>lots of small family farms all over the country. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>pre industrialization, there were hundreds of farmers almanacs all over

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<v Speaker 3>the place, a lot of regional ones, even local ones.

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<v Speaker 3>And what you would find in them if you were like, well, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>what the heck is a farmer's almanac?

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<v Speaker 2>Good? Good, walk back.

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<v Speaker 3>What it is is there are books that will say

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<v Speaker 3>things like, here's when you should plant things, here's some

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<v Speaker 3>tips on cattle. Very importantly, here are astronomical charts. This

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<v Speaker 3>is when the sun is going to rise and set

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<v Speaker 3>in the spring and throughout the year. These are the

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<v Speaker 3>phases of the moon. Here are some recipes. Maybe here's

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<v Speaker 3>some jokes, here's some poetry. So they would mix in

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<v Speaker 3>some folksy fun stuff and entertaining stuff along with sort

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<v Speaker 3>of boots to the ground advice tips and raw data

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<v Speaker 3>for farming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the big draw is the long range weather forecasts,

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<v Speaker 2>like they essentially forecast the weather generally for the entire

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<v Speaker 2>United States and Canada a year in advance. Yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that, and they say that they're eighty percent accurate,

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<v Speaker 2>which is mind boggling. It's it's almost unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it's things like I remember my grandmother referring

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<v Speaker 3>to it for her crops later in the year to

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<v Speaker 3>see like how rainy is it going to be this fall,

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<v Speaker 3>how rainy will it be six months from now exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>And people put a lot of stock in it, and

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<v Speaker 3>some people still do even Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's an unusual and unique combination of folksy folk

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<v Speaker 2>wisdom and folklore. Even things like if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>have turnips in the winter and there's no such thing

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<v Speaker 2>as refrigeration, keep them in packed in sawdust during the

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<v Speaker 2>summer or whatever. Stuff like that. It's useful. But then

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<v Speaker 2>there's also like astrology, like horoscopes and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But then and then it's alongside like actual legitimate astronomical

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<v Speaker 2>data that is accurate. So it's a weird combination of

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<v Speaker 2>really stuff. And apparently it grew out of the medieval era,

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<v Speaker 2>and the word almanac itself seems to have been invented

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<v Speaker 2>by medieval French astronomers in the thirteenth century. Although they

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<v Speaker 2>said that it was an Arabic word almanach and that

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<v Speaker 2>meant calendar of the heavens, and apparently these astronomers just

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<v Speaker 2>totally made that up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was, yeah, like you said, invented by the French.

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<v Speaker 3>These medieval almanacs were they were just handwritten, this before

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<v Speaker 3>the printing press, and they did some similar things though

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<v Speaker 3>they talked about like celestial bodies and moon phases and

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. Eventually, when the printing press comes along,

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<v Speaker 3>they were some of the first things to be printed. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>people lived their lives by these a lot of times,

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<v Speaker 3>so they were some of the most popular early books

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<v Speaker 3>and periodicals that existed in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially, Yeah, because of their popularity and because even back

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<v Speaker 2>then they were just kind of bizarre creatures their own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They were also widely satirized too. As early as fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two, there was a French satirist named Rabelai who

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<v Speaker 2>created a parody almanac and he prognosticated stuff that's quite

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<v Speaker 2>obvious as a way to just kind of mock what

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<v Speaker 2>almanacs do. But he started a trend that lasted for

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of years. And the most famous parody almanac was

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<v Speaker 2>Poor Richard's Almanac, which was published by Benjamin Franklin from

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen thirty two to fifty eight. And What's neat is

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<v Speaker 2>Even though it was a parody and they made stuff

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<v Speaker 2>up and it was funny and a satire of almanacs,

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<v Speaker 2>it also contained like actual helpful, useful information.

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<v Speaker 3>Too, Yeah, it did. He wrote under the pseudonym Richard Saunders.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's famous for a lot of things, one of which,

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<v Speaker 3>like you said, it was around for what twenty something years,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five, twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, I'm guessing like thirty something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it was like the best selling for that long.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was very famous now for these a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of turns of phrase that Franklin invented a s. Saunders,

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<v Speaker 3>such as we still use today. Hase makes waste as

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<v Speaker 3>one fish and visitors smell after three days. And of

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<v Speaker 3>course the old standard early to bed, early to rise

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<v Speaker 3>makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice.

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<v Speaker 3>All came from Poor Richard's Almanac.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from the noodle of Ben Franklin himself, because he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote it and published it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>What a renaissance dude he was.

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<v Speaker 3>He really was. We've kind of danced around Franklin here

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<v Speaker 3>and there. I wonder not that if we could ever

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<v Speaker 3>he's annoying podcasting sprites. I wonder if we should ever

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<v Speaker 3>just dive in and just cover him in earnest.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we totally should.

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<v Speaker 3>You probably should, or at the very least that kite

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<v Speaker 3>and the key. I feel like we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked about that before. Yeah, I can't remember which episode,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think we're like, that's not it didn't happen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but his Poor Richard's Almanac, everything Franklin touched basically turned

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<v Speaker 2>to gold. He was just good at everything. And his

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<v Speaker 2>his parody almanac, which was apparently inspired by a European

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<v Speaker 2>almanac called Poor Robins, he kicked off like that almanac

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<v Speaker 2>craze that you talked about in I think the late

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<v Speaker 2>eighteenth century, which is when Robert Bailey Thomas came along

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<v Speaker 2>and said, I'm getting in on this almanac stuff myself

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<v Speaker 2>because I find them thoroughly fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a great place for a break. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll come back if you agree and talk about who

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<v Speaker 3>Robert Bailey Thomas was right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Learn and stuff with Joshua John stuff Fushion.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So Robert Bailey Thomas is an entrepreneur. Almanacs

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<v Speaker 3>are all the craze. He's, like you said, he wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to get in on this action. He was a dude

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<v Speaker 3>from Massachusetts who was a farm guy, but a farm

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<v Speaker 3>guy raised by educated parents, an educated farming family who

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<v Speaker 3>very much valued reading. They had a very big library,

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<v Speaker 3>and he would just you know, he was quite taken

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<v Speaker 3>with almanacs and astronomy and science journals and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>all sort of makes sense that he would one day

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<v Speaker 3>want to do an almanac when you look at his upbringing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's pretty remarkable that his parents had a

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<v Speaker 2>library in their house. But they were educated farmers and

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<v Speaker 2>they made sure that their kid was educated as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Before he became an almanac publisher, he was a school teacher,

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<v Speaker 2>a bookbinder, and he said nope, I'm gonna do this

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<v Speaker 2>almanac thing. I've been putting it off long enough. By God,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to chase my dream. And he did so.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to Boston. He went and studied at Osgood

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<v Speaker 2>Carlton's School of Mathematics in Boston, which today it does like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're taking classes from Osgood Carlton School of Mathematics today,

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<v Speaker 2>you should un enroll and ask for your money back.

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<v Speaker 3>Boy, I hope it's not still around.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope not too, because that was a pretty harsh insult.

0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.959
<v Speaker 2>But at the time, I mean, it was a legitimate school.

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<v Speaker 2>It just had a silly name. And that's where Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas went to go figure out how to create these

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<v Speaker 2>astronomical charts that he was going to publish in his almanac.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, like all the things are there. His parents

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<v Speaker 3>are farmers, he was into science. He worked as a

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<v Speaker 3>bookbinder and a teacher. He took these math classes like

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<v Speaker 3>it is all sort of coalescing into a pretty obvious

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<v Speaker 3>thing to do. And that year in seventeen ninety three,

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<v Speaker 3>or I guess the year before. For the year seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety three, he put out because people like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know Josh Clark like to buy things a little early. Yea,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, by this year's calendar in July.

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<v Speaker 2>What a waste exactly you buy next year's calendar in July.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom might do that when I was a kid

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<v Speaker 3>because they were on sale.

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<v Speaker 2>I have price calendar.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that that's the way forward for all humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hilarious. I'd be an idiot not to buy this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I got my I got a calendar every year,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think I always got it on my birthday

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<v Speaker 3>in March. For an hilarious it's pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I am. I got a calendar in the mail from

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<v Speaker 2>being a member of the Autumn Society, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell am I going to do with this?

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<v Speaker 2>Like an actual legitimate calendar these days is like it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not handy, Like it just doesn't have a place

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. So I have to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>to do with it.

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<v Speaker 3>I disagree. Is it a daily calendar.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a calendar monthly thing, like what you got

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<v Speaker 2>for your birthday?

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<v Speaker 3>My friend, we still get calendars, Emily. I wish I

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<v Speaker 3>could remember the the artists, but these very beautiful month calendars,

0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.800
<v Speaker 3>these artists draws these very beautiful pictures, and sure it

0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.280
<v Speaker 3>hangs on the wall, and I find a great deal

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<v Speaker 3>of value in a month at a glance without getting

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<v Speaker 3>out my phone and all the distractions that come with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm a big enough person to admit

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, no, not everything works for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, I was trying who pointing calendars and you

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<v Speaker 2>change my mind. I'm going to put it up somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>because you're right. And I knew that just seeing the

0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.920
<v Speaker 2>little pretty birds every month is great. I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to do something with it, but I was still just astonished.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen an actual calendar for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm with you. I'm with you, all right. So

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<v Speaker 3>where are we? He finished his mathematics and in seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety three put out the first edition, which was called

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<v Speaker 3>The Farmer's Almanac. And we'll talk about the word old,

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<v Speaker 3>coming and going as it comes and goes.

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<v Speaker 2>So he apparently in the first cover he said that

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<v Speaker 2>the Farmer's Almanac, containing besides the large number of astronomical

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<v Speaker 2>calculations and farmer's calendar for every month of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>has great a variety of new, useful and entertaining matter,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not the best sentence ever, but it really

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<v Speaker 2>gets across. It's just jam packed with stuff, and he

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<v Speaker 2>fitted all into a forty six page book, which is

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<v Speaker 2>much slimmer than the ones you get to today from

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<v Speaker 2>what I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that that uh, what do you call that

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<v Speaker 3>a slogan?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, I guess I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Still on the cover.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it still?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, well, oh yeah, you'll see very soon. It's

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<v Speaker 3>been on there for two hundred and thirty straight years,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as pictures of uh, I guess, portraits of

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<v Speaker 3>Ben Franklin on one side, yeah, and Robert Thomas on

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<v Speaker 3>the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Why am I thinking of Rico Tubbs every time we

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<v Speaker 2>say Robert Bailey Thomas's name? What was his name? I

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<v Speaker 2>know it is three names? And there was a.

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<v Speaker 3>Toss and I think Thomas, Oh you mean the.

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<v Speaker 2>Actor, Yeah, Rico Tubbs from Miami Vice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought, uh, what's his what's his real name?

0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:51.320
<v Speaker 3>Don Johnson? And yeah him, Remember what happened to that guy?

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<v Speaker 3>Is he around? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he's around. He got super rich off of

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<v Speaker 2>Miami Vice and said, so long, suckers, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>become a Farmer and he subscribed to the Farmer's Almond Neck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like you said, forty six pages, and it had

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<v Speaker 3>all the things you would expect. It had all those

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<v Speaker 3>sunrises and sunsets and moon phases. It had all the advice,

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<v Speaker 3>It had home remedies for you know, little ailments and

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<v Speaker 3>things like that. This was just coming off of the

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<v Speaker 3>snake oil sort of period, or maybe it was still

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<v Speaker 3>right in the middle of it actually, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that lasted well into the nineteenth and even

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<v Speaker 2>early twentieth century.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so all this kind of stuff was very popular,

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<v Speaker 3>and he put it in print gardening advice, all the

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<v Speaker 3>poetry and the little jokes, and he had math puzzles

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<v Speaker 3>and things like because he was a math guy from

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<v Speaker 3>that amazing college that he went to, and he apparently

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<v Speaker 3>was a good writer. And that's why it became because,

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<v Speaker 3>like we said, there were hundreds of ALMANACX, and this

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<v Speaker 3>one became the most popular because he was good at

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<v Speaker 3>doing it. For the time. He was sort of a

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<v Speaker 3>witty and clever guy, and people like it just liked

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<v Speaker 3>his writing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's really important. That he wasn't like this innovative,

0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.480
<v Speaker 2>amazing like he didn't invent the whole thing. He I mean,

0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.320
<v Speaker 2>he came along centuries after the first one started being published,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was just that interesting that his publication has

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<v Speaker 2>been around two hundred and thirty years. That's pretty remarkable

0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.800
<v Speaker 2>if you really stop and think about it. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>That's how much of a nerve that guy touched. And

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<v Speaker 2>that list of stuff that you talked about, that's essentially

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what you're gonna find today. And I went and

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<v Speaker 2>looked up some of the math problems. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet I can do that. Sure, there was now

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<v Speaker 2>now mathematician I found from the nineteen seventy four edition. Huh,

0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.600
<v Speaker 2>And it was it has three circles and they're separate

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<v Speaker 2>from one another, okay, And the question is how many

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<v Speaker 2>circles can you draw that touch all three circles in

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<v Speaker 2>just one point? And I'm like, well, you can draw

0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.040
<v Speaker 2>one in the center of them, he can draw one

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<v Speaker 2>on the outside, so two. And I went and flipped

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<v Speaker 2>forward to see what the answer was, and the answer

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<v Speaker 2>was seven. And I still have no idea and I

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<v Speaker 2>probably never will how how you could possibly draw seven

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<v Speaker 2>circles that fulfilled that criteria? And I'm just sticking with two.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a misprint.

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<v Speaker 3>No, someone didn't show you though.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it just said seven. That was it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it moved on to the next thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Really annoying. Someone will send in an answer, so we

0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:25.880
<v Speaker 3>have plenty of math help.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to know a different answer the answers too.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh all right, okay. So one example, you know we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about people liking his writing and him being a

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<v Speaker 3>little more creative than maybe your average almanac at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>was he did one on cider making, but instead of

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<v Speaker 3>just leaving instructions and a recipe, he made it more

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<v Speaker 3>of a story about he and a farmer with some

0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.840
<v Speaker 3>witticisms and jokes and stuff. Kind of like maybe he

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<v Speaker 3>started that recipe trend of having the scroll for ten

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<v Speaker 3>pages before you get to the recipe.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god for that jump to recipe.

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<v Speaker 3>Amen.

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<v Speaker 2>But that cider making thing, that's a good example of

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<v Speaker 2>what you'd find. That was for like the month of October.

0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:11.040
<v Speaker 2>So each month would have you know, some information or

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<v Speaker 2>some suggestions on what you should do around the farm

0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that month, and it's making cider is what you would

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<v Speaker 2>do in October. And then on the opposite page, I

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<v Speaker 2>love this. I hope they still use it so I

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<v Speaker 2>can get it my twenty twenty four edition. But it

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<v Speaker 2>would say at the top of the month, October half

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one days, And for some reason, it just makes

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<v Speaker 2>it seem so ominous. Yeah, you know, like something bad's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen in October because they said it half thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one days.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I love that. Yeah, I hope it does have

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<v Speaker 3>thirty one days. You know, it would be ominous if

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<v Speaker 3>it said October half twenty eight days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, the almanac would know.

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<v Speaker 3>Thomas himself did fifty three editions of The Farmer's Almanac

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<v Speaker 3>before he died in eighteen forty six. He apparently died editing,

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<v Speaker 3>as the story goes, for the next edition that was

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<v Speaker 3>ready to be shipped to your house, and that that's

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<v Speaker 3>the story of the Old Farmer's Almanac. But what about

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<v Speaker 3>the old.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, the old part actually came all the way

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<v Speaker 2>back in eighteen thirty two, when Phillip Seymour Hoffman was

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<v Speaker 2>still editing the Almanac. He changed the name to the

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<v Speaker 2>Old Farmer's Almanac because it had been around for thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five years already and it had enough competition that he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be like, hey, don't forget this is the

0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.119
<v Speaker 2>original Farmer's Almanac, but instead he used Old.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I'm trying to find the Phillip Symore Hoffman joke,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Bailey Thomas.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, just three names. You're gonna call him John Wayne

0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:49.680
<v Speaker 3>gace Enox Well, no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I called him Phillip Seymore Hoffman because the Rico

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Tubbs has Philip, and I think Philip Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas,

0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes it is, it's Philip Michael Thomas. If we didn't

0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:01.240
<v Speaker 2>look it up either, did we?

0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:03.200
<v Speaker 3>We did it. I didn't look it up, but he said, phill.

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Up there, Yeah, we did it, Chuck. We just connected

0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:06.800
<v Speaker 2>brain waves.

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<v Speaker 3>I know. I feel like we should just stop, sure,

0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean retire. Okay, so you talked about Old, right

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 3>you finished that part.

0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:22.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was distinguishing his publication from the competition.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. And Richard. I'm sorry, John Jinks. I want

0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:30.399
<v Speaker 3>to call him Richard for some reason, probably because of

0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Richard's Almanac. Thomas died. John Jenks was the guy who

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<v Speaker 3>changed it to Old and that cover art started because

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:42.600
<v Speaker 3>of Jinks in eighteen fifty one. And that's the same

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 3>cover that they still used today that I was talking about.

0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently Thomas changes to he's the one who introduced

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<v Speaker 2>old stopped. He took it away three years later, and

0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.159
<v Speaker 2>then his successor said, now we're going to go back

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<v Speaker 2>to the old Farmer's Almanac.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that was Jinks.

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mister Jenks, I think we just got.

0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Really confusing then. But hopefully people figure it out.

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Eventually, it just keep listening to what we said

0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 2>over and over and you'll eventually discern the truth.

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 3>All right, So we should talk a little bit though

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 3>about the other Farmer's Almanac, because I'm sure when you

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.359
<v Speaker 3>went online, unless you just typed in old, if you

0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 3>just type in Farmer's Almanac, you're gonna see probably both

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.760
<v Speaker 3>the Old Farmer's Almanac and the yellow and then just

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<v Speaker 3>the Farmer's Almanac and is sort of orange e and

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<v Speaker 3>it looks more modern than the other one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess more modern is a relative term. They

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<v Speaker 2>both look pretty old timing to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true. I think the other one looks older though.

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but it was founded in eighteen eighteen, so it's

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:45.159
<v Speaker 2>pretty old itself. But because the original Farmer's Almanac, the

0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:48.919
<v Speaker 2>Old Farmer's Almanac was from seventeen ninety two. They just

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 2>have to acquiesce and say, yes, we're just the Farmer's Almanac.

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 2>But there's a I think she doesn't edit anymore. Janis Stillman.

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 2>She was the first woman editor of the Old Farmer's Almonds,

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 2>and she was editing as recently as a few years ago,

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 2>if she isn't still And she said that there's one

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 2>other publication, a Farmer's Almanac, that seems to the kind

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:15.119
<v Speaker 2>word is emulate everything we do. And this is like

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.120
<v Speaker 2>she's saying this in like twenty eighteen or nineteen. These

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 2>publications have been like rivals of one another for centuries now,

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and they still throw shade at one another every chance

0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 2>they get.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean they're the two big ones. And

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 3>I think the Old Farmer's Almanac outsells the regular right.

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I don't think it's necessarily by too much.

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:39.719
<v Speaker 2>I think they both sell a pretty decent amount.

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:41.679
<v Speaker 3>They both sell millions, still.

0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Millions, maybe even billions, No, just okay.

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.679
<v Speaker 3>One of the big discs, though, and I think I

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 3>even remember this growing up, is that you could buy

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:57.640
<v Speaker 3>an Old Farmer's Almanac in a store if you went

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 3>to get to a bank or maybe to get your insurance,

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.120
<v Speaker 3>like to an actual insurance agent and an office.

0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Who was also a part time farmer.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps then you might get a farmer's almanac branded by

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.359
<v Speaker 3>that business, because that is what they did. That was

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 3>their strategy is, let's not sell this thing to retail stores.

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.119
<v Speaker 3>Let's sell it to businesses. Let them put their stamp

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 3>on the front of it and give them out instead

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 3>of a toaster.

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<v Speaker 2>They still do that, and only since nineteen ninety four

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 2>or five edition they started selling them in retail stores.

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 2>But they also still offer it as like a branding

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 2>thing for banks, the kind of banks that like John

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Wisdom Robbed in Wisdom, that Emilia Westevez movie, that's where

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>you would get like a bank branded Farmer's almost Wow.

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, sure, like a ha seed bank.

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Sure I wouldn't call it that, but.

0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:00.479
<v Speaker 3>We should have a stuff you should know branded Farmer's

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Almanac and send those out. That'd be pretty fun awesome.

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:05.680
<v Speaker 3>I wonder how much that costs there.

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>It's not much. I can't remember it was. I came

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 2>up in Google search and I was like, that's reasonable.

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't much at all. I think twenty five dollars

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:18.360
<v Speaker 2>or something for one hundred of them or something crazy.

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Did you get the phillim Michael Thomas Brandon Farmers Amena. Yeah,

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:29.680
<v Speaker 3>so the regular farmers Almanac, the one that's newer, that's

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 3>in scare quotes. A guy named Ray Geiger ran that

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:38.320
<v Speaker 3>for about sixty years and he was a big marketing

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 3>whiz and he used to refer to himself as the

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 3>most interviewed man in America. And he may be right.

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 3>He apparently was interviewed more than eighteen thousand times in

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.479
<v Speaker 3>his career, and he seemed to really really enjoy sitting

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.880
<v Speaker 3>down and talking about the Farmer's Almanac and himself.

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And one of the other things he did too, Chuck, was,

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 2>in addition to giving interviews, to just drum up business

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>for the Farmer's Almanac or keep it interested. And this

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 2>is like he's working from nineteen thirty four to nineteen

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 2>ninety four. That is a tough period to remain at

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the helm of a Farmer's Almanac and keep people interested

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 2>in it as the world is changing like it is.

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 2>And that's what he dedicated himself too. And one of

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 2>the other things he would do in addition to interviews.

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Is create like national campaigns to do something that was

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of Farmer's Almanaki and to get people talking about

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:33.680
<v Speaker 2>things that was Farmer's Almonaki and the Farmer's Almanac itself.

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean this is a guy who went from

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 3>the Lindy hop to grunge. Yeah for sure, isn't that crazy? Yeah?

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 2>It is crazy?

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 3>And those campaigns, and I think a lot of this

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 3>was to get attention. I'm not sure how many of

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 3>them he really really wanted to get accomplished, or maybe

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 3>he wanted them accomplished and it was a pr thing,

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 3>but it seemed to get attention I think was maybe

0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 3>the point. But like, hey, let's move Thanksgiving to October.

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Sure more in line with Canada.

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Forget paper dollars, let's use coins, stuff like that.

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 2>The one that I can get behind, by golly is

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 2>the extending daylight savings time year round.

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 3>I wish her.

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>They talk about every year and I don't know what

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>who's dragging their heels on this. It drives me nuts

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>every year. Twice a year I go totally bonkers because

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 2>of the daylight saving time coming or going. It just stinks,

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, So I really wish he would have been successful.

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>But he was successful with one campaign apparently. I don't

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 2>know what decade it was, but the USPS was planning

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>on replacing on postmarks the place name or town or

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 2>in state whatever with a code and numerical code. And

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 2>he started this campaign to say, no, no, let's keep the

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>place names. It's way more interesting than a numerical code.

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 2>And the USPS listened. So that's why there's still place

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 2>names on postmarks. Oh okay, you know when you get

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 2>it stamped at the post office that says you know, Atlanta,

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Georgia or something that shows where it was sent from. Yeah,

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>they were gonna replace it with you know, three two

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 2>nine or something like that. And this is like robot talk,

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, and he saved the day. Who needs that robots?

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 3>All right, we're gonna take another break. We're gonna talk

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 3>about more lore and finally get to the bottom of

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 3>whether or not those weather predictions are really right.

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Learn and stuff with Joshua John stuff you shine up.

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 2>So one thing I did not realize, Chuck, is that

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 2>there's actual lore surrounding almanacs, which makes sense in retrospect.

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>We're talking about a couple hundred years plus of editions

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 2>of two different Almanacs, so of course they're going to

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 2>have played a role in something other than their own publications,

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 2>and they did a few times over. One of the

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 2>things that does have to do with their actual, like

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 2>the actual physical Almanac, is that there's a hole in

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 2>the top left corner of both of them, and both

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Almanacs claimed to have been the originator of that. And

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 2>the reason that both Almanacs say they created this hole

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 2>is because they found out their customers were doing the

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 2>same thing. They were nailing a nail, hammering a nail

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 2>through the almanac when it arrived, pulled the nail out

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and put a piece of strength through it so they

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 2>could hang it from a hook wherever they wanted to

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>keep it handy.

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 3>Pretty cool. They both have the same story. Like you said,

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 3>that's the one thing that I after reading this, I

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 3>have mine in my outhouse, just sitting in the magazine

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 3>wreck that, my goodness screwed into the wall, and I'm

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 3>gonna change that. Next time I go up there, I'm gonna,

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, put a nail on the wall and a

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 3>string through that thing so we can hang it up.

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 2>That's apparently how it's done.

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 3>That's how are you gonna do that?

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna hang it right next to my bird calendar.

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Right, you gotta go back in time. So they both

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 3>said they came up with that. But the apparently the

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 3>one distinction is the regular Farmer's Almanac is the one

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 3>that they sort of claimed that you could hang it

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 3>up in the outhouse specifically so you could use it

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 3>as a reference or to wipe your butt.

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 2>So both of them said, well, we started drilling this,

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, beforehand, drilling the hole in beforehand, so it

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>arrives pre drilled. Whoever started it will probably never know.

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 2>And that's just a really good example of Farmer's Almanac

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 2>and Old Farmer's Almanac rivalry, Like they both have the

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 2>audacities say nope, it was us, and here's the identical story.

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 2>The other one is telling of why we started doing it.

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally.

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>There's another. There's a trial that Abraham Lincoln was a

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 2>part of called the Almanac Trial, where almanacs played an

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 2>outsize role in it too.

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is kind of fun. Lincoln was defending a

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 3>friend of his son who was accused of murder. Didn't

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 3>do a lot of these criminal trials, but since it

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 3>was a pal, he was like, sure, I'll step up.

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 3>And in the trial there was this very Brady bunchy

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 3>kind of thing that happened. He did not throw his

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 3>briefcase on the floor.

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Man. That was a good episode.

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 3>That was a good episode if you've never seen The

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Brady Bunch, it's a great trial scene where mister Brady

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 3>there was I think the guy suing or something, I

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 3>had a neck brace on.

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Said he had whiplash from being rear ended by right.

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's what it was, and no one believed

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 3>the guy. And during the middle of the court scene,

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 3>mister Brady throw his briefcase on the floor and it

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 3>lands with a thud, and the man twists his neck,

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 3>which he would not be able to do had he

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 3>had a stiff neck.

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 2>They jerked over to look to see what that sound was.

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Mike Brady stood up and shook his fists and screamed

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.360
<v Speaker 2>this primal scream. It was one of the most bizarre

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:18.800
<v Speaker 2>moments in TV history.

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 3>It was really great. But Lincoln did something similar when

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 3>the I believe the prosecution said I saw the defendant

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.760
<v Speaker 3>beating a victim over the head at eleven PM. Lincoln

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 3>said well, how did you know it was him? At

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.359
<v Speaker 3>eleven pm? And the witness said the moon was high

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 3>and bright in the sky, and Lincoln said aha, and

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 3>through his figure into a briefcase by holding up a

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 3>farmer's almanac and pointing out that no, no, no, we

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 3>can actually see that the moon was not bright and

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.359
<v Speaker 3>high in the sky on that night. And Lincoln won

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:57.240
<v Speaker 3>that case. And both almanacs say, yeah, that was us.

0:34:57.880 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 3>Apparently it was neither.

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was a The foreman of the jury said

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>it was a Jane's Almanac, spelled like Thomas Jane. Yeah,

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.240
<v Speaker 2>exactly who knew he was going to make an appearance

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 2>in this episode?

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 3>Me or the Brady Bunch. This is all over the map.

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 3>That was Miami vice.

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I read a little kind of brief on the Almanac trial,

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and apparently Lincoln's almost said host his client and I

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 2>am not in top form today. I'll tell you that

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 2>his client was just guilty a sin. Apparently one of

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 2>his own defense witnesses said, you can put me on

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.280
<v Speaker 2>the stand, but you want to be careful what questions

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>you asked me, because you're not going to want to know.

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to want to hear what I have

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 2>to say, so he done exactly, so he knew that

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 2>that this guy was guilty, and he still defended him

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 2>and got him acquitted, which is not Lincoln ask But

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.280
<v Speaker 2>apparently after he became president kind of made some moves

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 2>to get another guy who had been convicted as an

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.840
<v Speaker 2>accomplished released from prison because he knew that it was

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 2>actually the guy who he had gotten acquitted. Oh well,

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>that's nice, it is, but it's some shady Lincoln stuff.

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 2>That's just it's not in his character, or at least

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:17.320
<v Speaker 2>the character we understand. And the author of this post

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 2>on it said that they kind of chalked it up

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>to he was presented with one of those terrible moral

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.760
<v Speaker 2>choices that you know sometimes come along in life, where

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 2>he had to choose between his own, you know, principles

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and a friendship that he really cared about, and he

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 2>chose the friendship. So wow, people can excuse things anything

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.839
<v Speaker 2>Lincoln did. We love him in the United States. For

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 2>those of you who live abroad.

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Really quickly, you might like to know that Emily was

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 3>called to jury duty this week.

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, how's it going.

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, she was excused, but it was it was going

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 3>to be a murder trial. Wow, not crazy, and she

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 3>did not want to be on it, I can imagine.

0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.160
<v Speaker 3>And she was excused. But she went down to the

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, the what's the vore? Is that what it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, yeah, nice, she went.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she went through that process and had never been

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 3>that far before, so it was fairly interesting.

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Does she know why she was excused?

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:15.919
<v Speaker 3>She does, and I'll tell you later.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, I can't wait to hear.

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 3>She didn't she didn't like make up stuff that made

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 3>her sound like a bad person or something like that,

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 3>which is a common thing.

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, that's out of her character.

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.399
<v Speaker 3>That's out of her character. All right. So let's get

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 3>to the bottom of this weather thing. The two farmers

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Almanacs together, it seems like sell between ten and twelve

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 3>million copies a year.

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Is that still wow?

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 3>Which is unbelievable. Yeah, three to five million for the

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 3>old and it said I think six or so for

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 3>the newer one. So I guess it's outpaced the old

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Farmer's Almanac sadly. So one of the reasons people still

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 3>buy this and still depend on it is for these

0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 3>long range weather forecasts, and they have long touted a

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 3>fifty or I'm sorry, an eighty percent eighty accuracy rate.

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy, I think you said earlier. Eighteen different regions

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 3>in the US, six regions in Canada for the year

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 3>ahead of time, a year a full or in your case,

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 3>eighteen months ahead of time. And the old story was

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.400
<v Speaker 3>is that the Old Farmer's Almanac had a secret formula

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 3>that Robert Thomas created himself locked in a black box

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 3>in the offices in Dublin, New Hampshire. Apparently editor Janis

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Stillman that you referred to went to this box at

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 3>one point found a bunch of handwritten notes from Thomas

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 3>about the weather, but not a secret formula.

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.280
<v Speaker 2>It's like a Heraldo moment.

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 3>And apparently Farmer's Almanac also says they have a secret formula.

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.240
<v Speaker 3>It's everyone. They just keep copying one another.

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 2>I know, it's crazy. So finally, so the Farmer's Almanac,

0:38:55.800 --> 0:39:03.720
<v Speaker 2>the younger of the two, has a pseudonymous pseudonymic yes, pseudonymic, Yeah, exactly,

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I was about I was porky pigan it yea. His

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.840
<v Speaker 2>name is Caleb weather Be. And who knows who Caleb

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Weatherby actually is or how many people have been Caleb

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Weatherby over the years, but they say that Caleb Weatherby

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 2>has a secret formula that's used from their founder too,

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 2>So again exact same thing. But finally, in the last

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 2>fifty years, I guess the Old Farmer's Almanac said, we

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 2>actually use modern technology to make these forecasts too. One

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 2>of the things that they use that both seem to

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 2>use apparently that is not necessarily part of typical meteorology,

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 2>is sunspot activity. They take that into consideration when they're

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 2>making these projections, and it's not entirely clear how much

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>of an effect sunspot activity has on the weather, although

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 2>it's agreed upon that it probably has some effect, but

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>whether it has any effect or not. Both almanacs almost

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 2>are duty bound to include considerations of sunspot activity in

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 2>their weather forecast because that is what the readers want

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 2>from them.

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's kind of explains everything about why the

0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Farmer's Almanac is still around. They don't want it changed,

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 3>they want it to be what it is. There's a

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 3>guy named Tim Clark who wrote for about four decades

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:29.439
<v Speaker 3>in the Farmer's Almanac, the Old Farmer's Almanac excuse me, yeah,

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 3>and did a lot of lectures and interviews about it.

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 3>Died a couple of years ago, and he very specifically

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 3>talks about the fact that like people want it to

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.400
<v Speaker 3>be the same. People have been disappointed when they know

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:47.959
<v Speaker 3>we use more modern ways to predict weather, and even

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:50.719
<v Speaker 3>when we're not right, people want us to be right,

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 3>so they sort of either remember us as being right

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 3>or think we're right even when we're not right exactly,

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:58.879
<v Speaker 3>which is kind of funny. But when you look at

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:02.399
<v Speaker 3>what they're doing as far as an eighty percent success rate,

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:05.720
<v Speaker 3>and we'll get to eat whether or not that's even true.

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 3>Is they They just do sort of a historical average,

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 3>like a peak at historical averages I think over thirty

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 3>years of rain they.

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Called climate normals.

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, temperature and precipitation basically, and then for each region,

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 3>for each season of the year, they're gonna say, all right,

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 3>is it going to rain a little more or less?

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.640
<v Speaker 3>And is it going to be hotter and cooler than

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 3>it has been over that thirty year average.

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't. They don't go into like, on you know,

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 2>July twenty eighth, it's going to be you know, ninety

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:45.879
<v Speaker 2>two degrees in the South. They don't do that. As

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 2>far as I know, I haven't gotten my first copy yet,

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 2>but from what I understand, they make these generalizations, not

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 2>actual forecasts. And so what they say is if it's

0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 2>even if they say that it's going to be hotter

0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>than normal, even if they say much hotter than normal,

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 2>if it's even a half a degree over that thirty

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:08.239
<v Speaker 2>year climate normal average, they're like, we were correct. Count

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>it as.

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Correct, and they are technically they are.

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 2>Technically, especially if you just take any qualifier out, like

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 2>much hotter and just go with hotter than average, they

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 2>are correct. And that's how they say that they hit

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:24.680
<v Speaker 2>that eighty percent mark. The thing is is there've been studies.

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Meteorologists love to take potshots at the farmer's almanacs, any

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 2>farmer's almanac, because they're like, it's impossible to predict the

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:36.879
<v Speaker 2>weather a year out. Noah has ninety day forecasts, they're

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 2>sixty percent accurate. These guys are using every available technology

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 2>to create these forecasts, and they can only hit sixty

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 2>percent ninety days out. The meteorologists are like, nobody can

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 2>predict the weather anywhere accurately, especially for a whole season

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>in an entire region, a full year out. And so

0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 2>people have done studies on just how accurate they are,

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and they usually come up short of eighty percent.

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they always come up short of eighty and it

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.319
<v Speaker 3>sort of ranges, I think by year. I think in

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty one twenty two, over that winter, those the

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 3>woman from the Golden Gate Weather Service named Jan Null

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.960
<v Speaker 3>calculated this one out and she found for the winter

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:24.840
<v Speaker 3>twenty one twenty two that for precipitation the almanac was

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 3>forty percent correct and for temperature only six percent correct.

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at the Old Farmer's Almanac offices they call her

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Jan Noll. The nulla fire.

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Fifty to fifty two percent is what they found. I

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 3>think generally the University of Illinois was behind that one.

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 3>So that's like it's sort of in flip a coin territory.

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Tim Clark says people want them to be right,

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 2>that it's basically just confirmation bias, that you know, when

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 2>they're right, people remember it. When they're they forget, and

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 2>it's I can't speak for everybody. I mean people who

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 2>are like gardeners and like small farmers and stuff, they'll

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>buy the Farmer's Almanac and maybe plan when they're going

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 2>to start their garden or harvest crops based on those predictions.

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:19.760
<v Speaker 2>But there's not like hard feelings at the farmer's almanac

0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 2>if they get it wrong, because it means so much

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 2>more than that. It's like this last outpost, this last bastion,

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:30.840
<v Speaker 2>holding down, like an agrarian past that just refuses to

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 2>give way because the almanacs are keeping it going. And

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 2>so it's almost to me the reason I ordered it

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 2>is it's like a respite from the modern world. Yeah,

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 2>and just kind of stepping through like this a wardrobe,

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 2>if you will, and entering a new world where there's

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 2>acorns everywhere and you can predict how bad the weather's

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:53.919
<v Speaker 2>going to be by how many squirrels are gathering those

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.359
<v Speaker 2>acorns on any given day in the fall. Just things

0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 2>that like, it doesn't matter if they're scientific. It's draws

0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:04.719
<v Speaker 2>your attention to an important part of the world, which

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 2>is nature. It's still there and you it just makes

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 2>you focus your attention on it for a little while,

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's that's great. That's all that's all it

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 2>needs to do to exist happily. As far as I'm concerned.

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 3>I agree. It's not like, oh, well, we have modern

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 3>technology now to work correctly predict weather, So we should

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:29.359
<v Speaker 3>get rid of this long the longest standing periodical in

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.640
<v Speaker 3>North America, right, and all that, you know, kind of

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 3>goofy folksy charm and jokes and poetry like I guess

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 3>they could say, well, like, yeah, do all that, but

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 3>don't do the weather. But I mean, who cares. Yeah,

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 3>no one's living or dying by this thing.

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:46.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the very fact that we have that technology

0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 2>means we should keep the Farmer's Almond out just as

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 2>a reminder of other ways to be in think too.

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 3>I agree, you don't know your past, you don't know

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 3>your future.

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Man, well put chuck. You know who would love that

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:02.240
<v Speaker 2>as a slogan on a T shirt, Philip Michael Thomas.

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 2>I agreed, Thank you, Chuck. If you want to know

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 2>more about the Farmer's Almanac, the Old Farmer's Almanac, any

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 2>almanac really, you can just go look online, ironically and

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>find them and order them and hang them up in

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 2>your outhouse and get all retro. And since I said outhouse,

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:22.840
<v Speaker 2>that means it's time for a listener.

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<v Speaker 3>May I'm gonna call this Noam Chomsky Lives. Okay, Hey, guys,

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:32.919
<v Speaker 3>love the show. It's one of those things that can

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:34.839
<v Speaker 3>comfort me when times are tough. And thanks for all

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:37.960
<v Speaker 3>you do. And I remember we weren't sure if Noam

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Chomsky was alive or dead, and we don't like to

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 3>stop and look things up while we go.

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:43.359
<v Speaker 2>No who wants to do that.

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:47.319
<v Speaker 3>Nobody likes that. By the way, Chomsky is very much alive,

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:49.959
<v Speaker 3>you guys. Yeah, he changed my view of the world

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 3>when I stumbled upon YouTube videos of his talks in

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 3>high school. He's incredibly well read, more so than any

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 3>other public intellectual I've heard of. And even if you're

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:06.280
<v Speaker 3>not down with the whole and neck pro syndicalis thing nice. Wow,

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 3>it's worth reading at least one of his political books

0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 3>to get a more thorough grasp of how the US

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 3>empire works. For instance, he was actually the first one

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 3>who taught me about our old buddy Edward Burnes and

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.440
<v Speaker 3>his ilk and all the fun things that the CIA

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.840
<v Speaker 3>has done abroad. And that's from Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, Sam much appreciated. Still alive.

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Huh, still alive?

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Did not know that? Well, if you want to let

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:33.719
<v Speaker 2>us know that somebody's still alive, we want to hear

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, especially if we thought they were dead.

0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:40.360
<v Speaker 2>You can send it to us via email like Sam

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