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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Howdy and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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Speaker 2: there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry's here too, and

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Speaker 2: we're just some homey folksy types ready to spin a

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Speaker 2: good yarn for you about the old farmer's almond.

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Speaker 3: That's right. You know why I commissioned this one, why, Chuck?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 3: Because I thought it would be fun to put a

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Speaker 3: old farmer's almanac in the outhouse at my camp.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, first, you have an outhouse.

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Speaker 3: I have an outthouse.

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Speaker 2: Is it just a pit like a latrine with a

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Speaker 2: log over it.

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Speaker 3: No, it's a composting toilet okay, with a little solar

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Speaker 3: panel outside that runs a fan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and there's the fan.

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Speaker 3: Do the fan moves air through to provide aerobic interaction.

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Speaker 3: Next the uh with the with the with the poop

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Speaker 3: and the composting pete.

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Speaker 2: I just made a compost t like that, but I

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Speaker 2: used to submerged little fountain pump to create the air movement. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: pretty neat.

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Speaker 3: It is neat. So yeah, I got a composting toilet.

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Speaker 2: It's good.

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Speaker 3: It helps. Uh, I don't use it. I use it

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Speaker 3: to go poopy if I'm there for more than a

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Speaker 3: couple of days.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: But largely I put it there so, you know, some

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Speaker 3: of some of the ladies in my life and and friends,

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Speaker 3: wives and things, I don't like to squad in the woods.

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Speaker 3: Some of them don't mind, sure, But I put that

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Speaker 3: there so everyone would want to go camping at the

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Speaker 3: camp and be like, yeah, you got a composting toilet.

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Speaker 3: I feel good about.

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Speaker 2: Using it, right, I can. I can see the conversation

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Speaker 2: between the couple and the kitchen back in Atlanta, like, well, no,

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Speaker 2: he's got a composting toilet. Well, now i'm you know

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Speaker 2: you can count me in.

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Speaker 3: Well, and now I gotta He's got a composting toilet

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Speaker 3: and an old farmer's almanac in that outhouse because I

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Speaker 3: thought it would just be sort of a fun thing,

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Speaker 3: because I knew from growing up as a kid that

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Speaker 3: an old in the South, that an old farmer's almanac

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Speaker 3: was quite a common thing to find in a bathroom

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Speaker 3: or an outhouse to read while you're there on the john.

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Speaker 3: So I have one there from a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: I need to get a new one. It should change

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Speaker 3: it every year. You know. It's sort of the whole

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Speaker 3: point of an ominac. And so I thought I was

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Speaker 3: reading it the other day when I was up there

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Speaker 3: cutting your grass, and I was like, I really don't

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Speaker 3: even know the history of these things, and so let's

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Speaker 3: find out.

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Speaker 2: So did you read them when you were a kid too?

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Speaker 3: I mean a little bit here and there. It's not

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Speaker 3: very interesting for a kid. Sure, I could see that,

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Speaker 3: But my grandmother, Bryant, my dad's mom, was a backyard

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Speaker 3: farmer her whole life, and you know, she was one

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Speaker 3: of these people that put a lot of stock in

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Speaker 3: the Farmer's Almanac, and so it was just something I

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Speaker 3: knew about in my life as a kid. Probably didn't

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Speaker 3: read it a ton, though.

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Speaker 2: I was never exposed to it, I knew it existed.

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Speaker 3: You were from the north, yeah, I was Midwest, but

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Speaker 3: to Georgia, Ohio was the north. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Still, but there was corn corn everywhere around where I lived,

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Speaker 2: So it is a little surprising. But the biggest surprise

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Speaker 2: that I received since we started researching this is that

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Speaker 2: you me apparently used to read the Farmer's Almanac when

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Speaker 2: she was a little kid.

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Speaker 3: Nothing you ever tell me about Umi will surprise me.

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Speaker 3: It's true. You just never know.

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Speaker 2: No, you really don't. It's great for those of you

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Speaker 2: who've never met you mean, you wouldn't consider her a

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Speaker 3: That's pretty safe to say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah so I was. I thought that was neat. She's

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Speaker 2: very well rounded. But I, in like chia pet fashion,

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Speaker 2: went on and ordered this time myself a Farmer's Almanac.

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Speaker 2: I was going to order you one, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'll bet he's already got one on him.

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Speaker 3: Oh look at you. Very smart. Also, I've made a

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Speaker 3: we'll see, the Old Farmer's Almanac came from New England originally. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so I was, you know, people from the north. There's plenty

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Speaker 2: By god, they even cover the weather forecast for the year.

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Speaker 3: In California exactly. They don't discriminate, all right, So big

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Speaker 3: thanks to Dave Ruse who helped us out with this one.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk mostly about the Old Farmer's Almanac,

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Speaker 3: but we will talk a little bit about its rival,

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Speaker 3: the Farmer's Almanac. But we're talking about the Old Farmers

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Speaker 3: Almanac the one that's looked the same since its inception,

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Speaker 3: with that yellow cover, the four seasons. It's very Did

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Speaker 3: you get yours in the mail yet? No?

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Speaker 2: I pre ordered it. I won't arrive until August thirtieth.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this is for next year. Yes, it's very smart.

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Speaker 3: Or do you hear in advance?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean what am I going to do? Be like, well,

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Speaker 2: what happened two weeks ago getting this year's you know?

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Speaker 2: I mean, like why that.

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Speaker 3: You could one from August to December? You could surely

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Speaker 3: gain some insight.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't like to waste money. I'd rather just wait.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's been the same. We'll talk a little

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Speaker 3: bit more about the cover and its presentation and all that.

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Speaker 3: But it's very iconic looking if you've ever seen one.

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Speaker 3: It's been around since seventeen ninety two. That's amazing, which

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Speaker 3: means it's the oldest continuously published periodical in North America.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I looked it up. That's the oldest published

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Speaker 2: anything that's been continuously printed in North America. Is the

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Speaker 2: Hartford Kurant or sorted as the Connecticut Kuran in seventeen

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Speaker 2: sixty four, not too much sooner than the farmer's almanac.

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Speaker 2: But then if you look for the world, the Swiss

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Speaker 2: have us beat by a mile. Yeah, they have a

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Speaker 2: what's called The Post and Domestic Times, the post ach

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Speaker 2: inrich tid Niningar Okay, And again that means the Post

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Speaker 2: and Domestic Times, which has been printed tinuously since sixteen

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Speaker 2: forty five. Amazing, But still that's nothing to sneeze at

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Speaker 2: seventeen ninety two. And they never missed an addition.

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Speaker 3: Pretty good, Yeah, yeah, totally. And these these books, basically,

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Speaker 3: I mean those sort of an almanac craze at one point,

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Speaker 3: pre industrialization, there were hundreds of farmers almanacs all over

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Speaker 3: And what you would find in them if you were like, well, guys,

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Speaker 2: Good? Good, walk back.

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Speaker 3: What it is is there are books that will say

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Speaker 3: things like, here's when you should plant things, here's some

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Speaker 3: tips on cattle. Very importantly, here are astronomical charts. This

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Speaker 3: phases of the moon. Here are some recipes. Maybe here's

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Speaker 3: some jokes, here's some poetry. So they would mix in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the big draw is the long range weather forecasts,

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Speaker 2: United States and Canada a year in advance. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about that, and they say that they're eighty percent accurate,

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Speaker 2: which is mind boggling. It's it's almost unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's things like I remember my grandmother referring

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Speaker 3: And people put a lot of stock in it, and

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Speaker 2: So it's an unusual and unique combination of folksy folk

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Speaker 2: wisdom and folklore. Even things like if you want to

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Speaker 2: have turnips in the winter and there's no such thing

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Speaker 2: summer or whatever. Stuff like that. It's useful. But then

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Speaker 2: there's also like astrology, like horoscopes and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: But then and then it's alongside like actual legitimate astronomical

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Speaker 2: and the word almanac itself seems to have been invented

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Speaker 2: by medieval French astronomers in the thirteenth century. Although they

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Speaker 2: said that it was an Arabic word almanach and that

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Speaker 2: meant calendar of the heavens, and apparently these astronomers just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, yeah, like you said, invented by the French.

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Speaker 3: These medieval almanacs were they were just handwritten, this before

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Speaker 2: Essentially, Yeah, because of their popularity and because even back

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Speaker 2: They were also widely satirized too. As early as fifteen

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Speaker 2: obvious as a way to just kind of mock what

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Speaker 2: hundreds of years. And the most famous parody almanac was

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Speaker 2: Poor Richard's Almanac, which was published by Benjamin Franklin from

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Speaker 2: seventeen thirty two to fifty eight. And What's neat is

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Speaker 2: Even though it was a parody and they made stuff

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Speaker 3: Too, Yeah, it did. He wrote under the pseudonym Richard Saunders.

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Speaker 3: And it's famous for a lot of things, one of which,

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Speaker 3: twenty five, twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was like the best selling for that long.

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Speaker 3: But it was very famous now for these a lot

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Speaker 3: of turns of phrase that Franklin invented a s. Saunders,

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Speaker 3: such as we still use today. Hase makes waste as

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Speaker 3: course the old standard early to bed, early to rise

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Speaker 2: Very nice.

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Speaker 3: All came from Poor Richard's Almanac.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from the noodle of Ben Franklin himself, because he

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: What a renaissance dude he was.

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Speaker 3: He really was. We've kind of danced around Franklin here

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Speaker 3: and there. I wonder not that if we could ever

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Speaker 3: he's annoying podcasting sprites. I wonder if we should ever

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Speaker 3: just dive in and just cover him in earnest.

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Speaker 2: I think we totally should.

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Speaker 3: You probably should, or at the very least that kite

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Speaker 2: Talked about that before. Yeah, I can't remember which episode,

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Speaker 2: but his Poor Richard's Almanac, everything Franklin touched basically turned

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Speaker 1: Learn and stuff with Joshua John stuff Fushion.

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Speaker 3: All right, So Robert Bailey Thomas is an entrepreneur. Almanacs

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Speaker 3: Boy, I hope it's not still around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, like all the things are there. His parents

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Speaker 2: So no, I was trying who pointing calendars and you

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Speaker 3: No, I'm with you. I'm with you, all right. So

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Speaker 3: where are we? He finished his mathematics and in seventeen

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Speaker 2: So he apparently in the first cover he said that

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Speaker 2: Why am I thinking of Rico Tubbs every time we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, forty six pages, and it had

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Speaker 3: No, someone didn't show you though.

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Speaker 2: No, it just said seven. That was it, and then

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Speaker 2: I don't want to know a different answer the answers too.

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Speaker 2: But that cider making thing, that's a good example of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the almanac would know.

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Speaker 3: Thomas himself did fifty three editions of The Farmer's Almanac

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Speaker 3: the story of the Old Farmer's Almanac. But what about

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Speaker 2: Oh well, the old part actually came all the way

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm trying to find the Phillip Symore Hoffman joke,

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Speaker 3: We did it. I didn't look it up, but he said, phill.

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Speaker 3: I know. I feel like we should just stop, sure,

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Speaker 3: I mean retire. Okay, so you talked about Old, right

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Speaker 3: you finished that part.

436
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was distinguishing his publication from the competition.

437
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: That's right. And Richard. I'm sorry, John Jinks. I want

438
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 3: to call him Richard for some reason, probably because of

439
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 3: Richard's Almanac. Thomas died. John Jenks was the guy who

440
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 3: changed it to Old and that cover art started because

441
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: of Jinks in eighteen fifty one. And that's the same

442
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 3: cover that they still used today that I was talking about.

443
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently Thomas changes to he's the one who introduced

444
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: old stopped. He took it away three years later, and

445
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 2: then his successor said, now we're going to go back

446
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: to the old Farmer's Almanac.

447
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah that was Jinks.

448
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, mister Jenks, I think we just got.

449
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: Really confusing then. But hopefully people figure it out.

450
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Eventually, it just keep listening to what we said

451
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: over and over and you'll eventually discern the truth.

452
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 3: All right, So we should talk a little bit though

453
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: about the other Farmer's Almanac, because I'm sure when you

454
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: went online, unless you just typed in old, if you

455
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: just type in Farmer's Almanac, you're gonna see probably both

456
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: the Old Farmer's Almanac and the yellow and then just

457
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: the Farmer's Almanac and is sort of orange e and

458
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: it looks more modern than the other one.

459
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess more modern is a relative term. They

460
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: both look pretty old timing to me.

461
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. I think the other one looks older though.

462
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: Okay, but it was founded in eighteen eighteen, so it's

463
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 2: pretty old itself. But because the original Farmer's Almanac, the

464
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 2: Old Farmer's Almanac was from seventeen ninety two. They just

465
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: have to acquiesce and say, yes, we're just the Farmer's Almanac.

466
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: But there's a I think she doesn't edit anymore. Janis Stillman.

467
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: She was the first woman editor of the Old Farmer's Almonds,

468
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: and she was editing as recently as a few years ago,

469
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: if she isn't still And she said that there's one

470
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: other publication, a Farmer's Almanac, that seems to the kind

471
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: word is emulate everything we do. And this is like

472
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 2: she's saying this in like twenty eighteen or nineteen. These

473
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: publications have been like rivals of one another for centuries now,

474
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: and they still throw shade at one another every chance

475
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: they get.

476
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean they're the two big ones. And

477
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: I think the Old Farmer's Almanac outsells the regular right.

478
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think it's necessarily by too much.

479
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 2: I think they both sell a pretty decent amount.

480
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 3: They both sell millions, still.

481
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: Millions, maybe even billions, No, just okay.

482
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 3: One of the big discs, though, and I think I

483
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: even remember this growing up, is that you could buy

484
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 3: an Old Farmer's Almanac in a store if you went

485
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: to get to a bank or maybe to get your insurance,

486
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 3: like to an actual insurance agent and an office.

487
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: Who was also a part time farmer.

488
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: Perhaps then you might get a farmer's almanac branded by

489
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: that business, because that is what they did. That was

490
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: their strategy is, let's not sell this thing to retail stores.

491
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: Let's sell it to businesses. Let them put their stamp

492
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: on the front of it and give them out instead

493
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 3: of a toaster.

494
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: They still do that, and only since nineteen ninety four

495
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: or five edition they started selling them in retail stores.

496
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: But they also still offer it as like a branding

497
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: thing for banks, the kind of banks that like John

498
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: Wisdom Robbed in Wisdom, that Emilia Westevez movie, that's where

499
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: you would get like a bank branded Farmer's almost Wow.

500
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, sure, like a ha seed bank.

501
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: Sure I wouldn't call it that, but.

502
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 3: We should have a stuff you should know branded Farmer's

503
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: Almanac and send those out. That'd be pretty fun awesome.

504
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 3: I wonder how much that costs there.

505
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: It's not much. I can't remember it was. I came

506
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: up in Google search and I was like, that's reasonable.

507
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't much at all. I think twenty five dollars

508
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: or something for one hundred of them or something crazy.

509
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: Did you get the phillim Michael Thomas Brandon Farmers Amena. Yeah,

510
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 3: so the regular farmers Almanac, the one that's newer, that's

511
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: in scare quotes. A guy named Ray Geiger ran that

512
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: for about sixty years and he was a big marketing

513
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: whiz and he used to refer to himself as the

514
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: most interviewed man in America. And he may be right.

515
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: He apparently was interviewed more than eighteen thousand times in

516
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 3: his career, and he seemed to really really enjoy sitting

517
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 3: down and talking about the Farmer's Almanac and himself.

518
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. And one of the other things he did too, Chuck, was,

519
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: in addition to giving interviews, to just drum up business

520
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: for the Farmer's Almanac or keep it interested. And this

521
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: is like he's working from nineteen thirty four to nineteen

522
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: ninety four. That is a tough period to remain at

523
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: the helm of a Farmer's Almanac and keep people interested

524
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: in it as the world is changing like it is.

525
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: And that's what he dedicated himself too. And one of

526
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: the other things he would do in addition to interviews.

527
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: Is create like national campaigns to do something that was

528
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: kind of Farmer's Almanaki and to get people talking about

529
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: things that was Farmer's Almonaki and the Farmer's Almanac itself.

530
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is a guy who went from

531
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: the Lindy hop to grunge. Yeah for sure, isn't that crazy? Yeah?

532
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: It is crazy?

533
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: And those campaigns, and I think a lot of this

534
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: was to get attention. I'm not sure how many of

535
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: them he really really wanted to get accomplished, or maybe

536
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: he wanted them accomplished and it was a pr thing,

537
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: but it seemed to get attention I think was maybe

538
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: the point. But like, hey, let's move Thanksgiving to October.

539
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: Sure more in line with Canada.

540
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: Forget paper dollars, let's use coins, stuff like that.

541
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: The one that I can get behind, by golly is

542
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: the extending daylight savings time year round.

543
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: I wish her.

544
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: They talk about every year and I don't know what

545
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: who's dragging their heels on this. It drives me nuts

546
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: every year. Twice a year I go totally bonkers because

547
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: of the daylight saving time coming or going. It just stinks,

548
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: you know, So I really wish he would have been successful.

549
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: But he was successful with one campaign apparently. I don't

550
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: know what decade it was, but the USPS was planning

551
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: on replacing on postmarks the place name or town or

552
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: in state whatever with a code and numerical code. And

553
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: he started this campaign to say, no, no, let's keep the

554
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: place names. It's way more interesting than a numerical code.

555
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: And the USPS listened. So that's why there's still place

556
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: names on postmarks. Oh okay, you know when you get

557
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: it stamped at the post office that says you know, Atlanta,

558
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: Georgia or something that shows where it was sent from. Yeah,

559
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: they were gonna replace it with you know, three two

560
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: nine or something like that. And this is like robot talk,

561
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: you know, and he saved the day. Who needs that robots?

562
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna take another break. We're gonna talk

563
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: about more lore and finally get to the bottom of

564
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: whether or not those weather predictions are really right.

565
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: Learn and stuff with Joshua John stuff you shine up.

566
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: So one thing I did not realize, Chuck, is that

567
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: there's actual lore surrounding almanacs, which makes sense in retrospect.

568
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: We're talking about a couple hundred years plus of editions

569
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: of two different Almanacs, so of course they're going to

570
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: have played a role in something other than their own publications,

571
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: and they did a few times over. One of the

572
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: things that does have to do with their actual, like

573
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: the actual physical Almanac, is that there's a hole in

574
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: the top left corner of both of them, and both

575
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: Almanacs claimed to have been the originator of that. And

576
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: the reason that both Almanacs say they created this hole

577
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: is because they found out their customers were doing the

578
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: same thing. They were nailing a nail, hammering a nail

579
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: through the almanac when it arrived, pulled the nail out

580
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: and put a piece of strength through it so they

581
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: could hang it from a hook wherever they wanted to

582
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: keep it handy.

583
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: Pretty cool. They both have the same story. Like you said,

584
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: that's the one thing that I after reading this, I

585
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: have mine in my outhouse, just sitting in the magazine

586
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: wreck that, my goodness screwed into the wall, and I'm

587
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: gonna change that. Next time I go up there, I'm gonna,

588
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: you know, put a nail on the wall and a

589
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: string through that thing so we can hang it up.

590
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: That's apparently how it's done.

591
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: That's how are you gonna do that?

592
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna hang it right next to my bird calendar.

593
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: Right, you gotta go back in time. So they both

594
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: said they came up with that. But the apparently the

595
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: one distinction is the regular Farmer's Almanac is the one

596
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: that they sort of claimed that you could hang it

597
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: up in the outhouse specifically so you could use it

598
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: as a reference or to wipe your butt.

599
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: So both of them said, well, we started drilling this,

600
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: you know, beforehand, drilling the hole in beforehand, so it

601
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: arrives pre drilled. Whoever started it will probably never know.

602
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: And that's just a really good example of Farmer's Almanac

603
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: and Old Farmer's Almanac rivalry, Like they both have the

604
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: audacities say nope, it was us, and here's the identical story.

605
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: The other one is telling of why we started doing it.

606
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

607
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: There's another. There's a trial that Abraham Lincoln was a

608
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: part of called the Almanac Trial, where almanacs played an

609
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: outsize role in it too.

610
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is kind of fun. Lincoln was defending a

611
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: friend of his son who was accused of murder. Didn't

612
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: do a lot of these criminal trials, but since it

613
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: was a pal, he was like, sure, I'll step up.

614
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: And in the trial there was this very Brady bunchy

615
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: kind of thing that happened. He did not throw his

616
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: briefcase on the floor.

617
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: Man. That was a good episode.

618
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: That was a good episode if you've never seen The

619
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: Brady Bunch, it's a great trial scene where mister Brady

620
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: there was I think the guy suing or something, I

621
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: had a neck brace on.

622
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: Said he had whiplash from being rear ended by right.

623
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: That's right, that's what it was, and no one believed

624
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: the guy. And during the middle of the court scene,

625
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: mister Brady throw his briefcase on the floor and it

626
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: lands with a thud, and the man twists his neck,

627
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: which he would not be able to do had he

628
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: had a stiff neck.

629
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: They jerked over to look to see what that sound was.

630
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: Mike Brady stood up and shook his fists and screamed

631
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: this primal scream. It was one of the most bizarre

632
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: moments in TV history.

633
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: It was really great. But Lincoln did something similar when

634
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: the I believe the prosecution said I saw the defendant

635
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 3: beating a victim over the head at eleven PM. Lincoln

636
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: said well, how did you know it was him? At

637
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: eleven pm? And the witness said the moon was high

638
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: and bright in the sky, and Lincoln said aha, and

639
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: through his figure into a briefcase by holding up a

640
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: farmer's almanac and pointing out that no, no, no, we

641
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: can actually see that the moon was not bright and

642
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 3: high in the sky on that night. And Lincoln won

643
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 3: that case. And both almanacs say, yeah, that was us.

644
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: Apparently it was neither.

645
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a The foreman of the jury said

646
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: it was a Jane's Almanac, spelled like Thomas Jane. Yeah,

647
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 2: exactly who knew he was going to make an appearance

648
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: in this episode?

649
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: Me or the Brady Bunch. This is all over the map.

650
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: That was Miami vice.

651
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 2: I read a little kind of brief on the Almanac trial,

652
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Speaker 2: and apparently Lincoln's almost said host his client and I

653
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: am not in top form today. I'll tell you that

654
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: his client was just guilty a sin. Apparently one of

655
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: his own defense witnesses said, you can put me on

656
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: the stand, but you want to be careful what questions

657
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: you asked me, because you're not going to want to know.

658
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: You're not going to want to hear what I have

659
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: to say, so he done exactly, so he knew that

660
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: that this guy was guilty, and he still defended him

661
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: and got him acquitted, which is not Lincoln ask But

662
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: apparently after he became president kind of made some moves

663
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: to get another guy who had been convicted as an

664
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Speaker 2: accomplished released from prison because he knew that it was

665
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: actually the guy who he had gotten acquitted. Oh well,

666
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: that's nice, it is, but it's some shady Lincoln stuff.

667
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: That's just it's not in his character, or at least

668
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: the character we understand. And the author of this post

669
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Speaker 2: on it said that they kind of chalked it up

670
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: to he was presented with one of those terrible moral

671
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 2: choices that you know sometimes come along in life, where

672
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: he had to choose between his own, you know, principles

673
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: and a friendship that he really cared about, and he

674
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: chose the friendship. So wow, people can excuse things anything

675
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: Lincoln did. We love him in the United States. For

676
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: those of you who live abroad.

677
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Speaker 3: Really quickly, you might like to know that Emily was

678
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: called to jury duty this week.

679
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, how's it going.

680
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: Well, she was excused, but it was it was going

681
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: to be a murder trial. Wow, not crazy, and she

682
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: did not want to be on it, I can imagine.

683
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Speaker 3: And she was excused. But she went down to the

684
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: you know, the what's the vore? Is that what it?

685
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Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, yeah, nice, she went.

686
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, she went through that process and had never been

687
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: that far before, so it was fairly interesting.

688
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Does she know why she was excused?

689
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 3: She does, and I'll tell you later.

690
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: Okay, great, I can't wait to hear.

691
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: She didn't she didn't like make up stuff that made

692
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Speaker 3: her sound like a bad person or something like that,

693
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: which is a common thing.

694
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that's out of her character.

695
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: That's out of her character. All right. So let's get

696
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: to the bottom of this weather thing. The two farmers

697
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: Almanacs together, it seems like sell between ten and twelve

698
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: million copies a year.

699
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 2: Is that still wow?

700
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: Which is unbelievable. Yeah, three to five million for the

701
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: old and it said I think six or so for

702
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: the newer one. So I guess it's outpaced the old

703
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: Farmer's Almanac sadly. So one of the reasons people still

704
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: buy this and still depend on it is for these

705
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: long range weather forecasts, and they have long touted a

706
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: fifty or I'm sorry, an eighty percent eighty accuracy rate.

707
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: That's crazy, I think you said earlier. Eighteen different regions

708
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: in the US, six regions in Canada for the year

709
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 3: ahead of time, a year a full or in your case,

710
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: eighteen months ahead of time. And the old story was

711
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: is that the Old Farmer's Almanac had a secret formula

712
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: that Robert Thomas created himself locked in a black box

713
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: in the offices in Dublin, New Hampshire. Apparently editor Janis

714
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: Stillman that you referred to went to this box at

715
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: one point found a bunch of handwritten notes from Thomas

716
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: about the weather, but not a secret formula.

717
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Speaker 2: It's like a Heraldo moment.

718
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: And apparently Farmer's Almanac also says they have a secret formula.

719
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Speaker 3: It's everyone. They just keep copying one another.

720
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Speaker 2: I know, it's crazy. So finally, so the Farmer's Almanac,

721
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Speaker 2: the younger of the two, has a pseudonymous pseudonymic yes, pseudonymic, Yeah, exactly,

722
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: I was about I was porky pigan it yea. His

723
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: name is Caleb weather Be. And who knows who Caleb

724
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: Weatherby actually is or how many people have been Caleb

725
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 2: Weatherby over the years, but they say that Caleb Weatherby

726
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: has a secret formula that's used from their founder too,

727
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: So again exact same thing. But finally, in the last

728
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: fifty years, I guess the Old Farmer's Almanac said, we

729
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: actually use modern technology to make these forecasts too. One

730
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: of the things that they use that both seem to

731
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: use apparently that is not necessarily part of typical meteorology,

732
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: is sunspot activity. They take that into consideration when they're

733
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Speaker 2: making these projections, and it's not entirely clear how much

734
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: of an effect sunspot activity has on the weather, although

735
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: it's agreed upon that it probably has some effect, but

736
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Speaker 2: whether it has any effect or not. Both almanacs almost

737
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: are duty bound to include considerations of sunspot activity in

738
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Speaker 2: their weather forecast because that is what the readers want

739
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Speaker 2: from them.

740
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of explains everything about why the

741
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: Farmer's Almanac is still around. They don't want it changed,

742
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: they want it to be what it is. There's a

743
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Speaker 3: guy named Tim Clark who wrote for about four decades

744
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 3: in the Farmer's Almanac, the Old Farmer's Almanac excuse me, yeah,

745
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: and did a lot of lectures and interviews about it.

746
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: Died a couple of years ago, and he very specifically

747
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: talks about the fact that like people want it to

748
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Speaker 3: be the same. People have been disappointed when they know

749
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Speaker 3: we use more modern ways to predict weather, and even

750
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Speaker 3: when we're not right, people want us to be right,

751
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: so they sort of either remember us as being right

752
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: or think we're right even when we're not right exactly,

753
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 3: which is kind of funny. But when you look at

754
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Speaker 3: what they're doing as far as an eighty percent success rate,

755
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 3: and we'll get to eat whether or not that's even true.

756
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: Is they They just do sort of a historical average,

757
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: like a peak at historical averages I think over thirty

758
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: years of rain they.

759
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: Called climate normals.

760
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, temperature and precipitation basically, and then for each region,

761
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: for each season of the year, they're gonna say, all right,

762
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: is it going to rain a little more or less?

763
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Speaker 3: And is it going to be hotter and cooler than

764
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Speaker 3: it has been over that thirty year average.

765
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't. They don't go into like, on you know,

766
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Speaker 2: July twenty eighth, it's going to be you know, ninety

767
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: two degrees in the South. They don't do that. As

768
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Speaker 2: far as I know, I haven't gotten my first copy yet,

769
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Speaker 2: but from what I understand, they make these generalizations, not

770
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Speaker 2: actual forecasts. And so what they say is if it's

771
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: even if they say that it's going to be hotter

772
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Speaker 2: than normal, even if they say much hotter than normal,

773
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Speaker 2: if it's even a half a degree over that thirty

774
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: year climate normal average, they're like, we were correct. Count

775
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: it as.

776
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 3: Correct, and they are technically they are.

777
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Speaker 2: Technically, especially if you just take any qualifier out, like

778
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: much hotter and just go with hotter than average, they

779
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Speaker 2: are correct. And that's how they say that they hit

780
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Speaker 2: that eighty percent mark. The thing is is there've been studies.

781
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: Meteorologists love to take potshots at the farmer's almanacs, any

782
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: farmer's almanac, because they're like, it's impossible to predict the

783
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 2: weather a year out. Noah has ninety day forecasts, they're

784
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: sixty percent accurate. These guys are using every available technology

785
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: to create these forecasts, and they can only hit sixty

786
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: percent ninety days out. The meteorologists are like, nobody can

787
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: predict the weather anywhere accurately, especially for a whole season

788
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: in an entire region, a full year out. And so

789
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: people have done studies on just how accurate they are,

790
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: and they usually come up short of eighty percent.

791
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, they always come up short of eighty and it

792
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: sort of ranges, I think by year. I think in

793
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one twenty two, over that winter, those the

794
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 3: woman from the Golden Gate Weather Service named Jan Null

795
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: calculated this one out and she found for the winter

796
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: twenty one twenty two that for precipitation the almanac was

797
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: forty percent correct and for temperature only six percent correct.

798
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the Old Farmer's Almanac offices they call her

799
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: Jan Noll. The nulla fire.

800
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: Fifty to fifty two percent is what they found. I

801
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: think generally the University of Illinois was behind that one.

802
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: So that's like it's sort of in flip a coin territory.

803
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tim Clark says people want them to be right,

804
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: that it's basically just confirmation bias, that you know, when

805
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: they're right, people remember it. When they're they forget, and

806
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: it's I can't speak for everybody. I mean people who

807
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: are like gardeners and like small farmers and stuff, they'll

808
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: buy the Farmer's Almanac and maybe plan when they're going

809
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: to start their garden or harvest crops based on those predictions.

810
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 2: But there's not like hard feelings at the farmer's almanac

811
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: if they get it wrong, because it means so much

812
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: more than that. It's like this last outpost, this last bastion,

813
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: holding down, like an agrarian past that just refuses to

814
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: give way because the almanacs are keeping it going. And

815
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: so it's almost to me the reason I ordered it

816
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: is it's like a respite from the modern world. Yeah,

817
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: and just kind of stepping through like this a wardrobe,

818
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: if you will, and entering a new world where there's

819
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: acorns everywhere and you can predict how bad the weather's

820
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 2: going to be by how many squirrels are gathering those

821
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: acorns on any given day in the fall. Just things

822
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: that like, it doesn't matter if they're scientific. It's draws

823
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: your attention to an important part of the world, which

824
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: is nature. It's still there and you it just makes

825
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 2: you focus your attention on it for a little while,

826
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: and it's it's that's great. That's all that's all it

827
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: needs to do to exist happily. As far as I'm concerned.

828
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: I agree. It's not like, oh, well, we have modern

829
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: technology now to work correctly predict weather, So we should

830
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 3: get rid of this long the longest standing periodical in

831
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: North America, right, and all that, you know, kind of

832
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: goofy folksy charm and jokes and poetry like I guess

833
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: they could say, well, like, yeah, do all that, but

834
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: don't do the weather. But I mean, who cares. Yeah,

835
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 3: no one's living or dying by this thing.

836
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: I mean, the very fact that we have that technology

837
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: means we should keep the Farmer's Almond out just as

838
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: a reminder of other ways to be in think too.

839
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: I agree, you don't know your past, you don't know

840
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: your future.

841
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: Man, well put chuck. You know who would love that

842
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: as a slogan on a T shirt, Philip Michael Thomas.

843
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: I agreed, Thank you, Chuck. If you want to know

844
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: more about the Farmer's Almanac, the Old Farmer's Almanac, any

845
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: almanac really, you can just go look online, ironically and

846
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: find them and order them and hang them up in

847
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: your outhouse and get all retro. And since I said outhouse,

848
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: that means it's time for a listener.

849
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: May I'm gonna call this Noam Chomsky Lives. Okay, Hey, guys,

850
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 3: love the show. It's one of those things that can

851
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: comfort me when times are tough. And thanks for all

852
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: you do. And I remember we weren't sure if Noam

853
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: Chomsky was alive or dead, and we don't like to

854
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: stop and look things up while we go.

855
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: No who wants to do that.

856
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 3: Nobody likes that. By the way, Chomsky is very much alive,

857
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 3: you guys. Yeah, he changed my view of the world

858
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: when I stumbled upon YouTube videos of his talks in

859
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: high school. He's incredibly well read, more so than any

860
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: other public intellectual I've heard of. And even if you're

861
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 3: not down with the whole and neck pro syndicalis thing nice. Wow,

862
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: it's worth reading at least one of his political books

863
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: to get a more thorough grasp of how the US

864
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: empire works. For instance, he was actually the first one

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Speaker 3: who taught me about our old buddy Edward Burnes and

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Speaker 3: his ilk and all the fun things that the CIA

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Speaker 3: has done abroad. And that's from Sam.

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Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, Sam much appreciated. Still alive.

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Speaker 3: Huh, still alive?

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Speaker 2: Did not know that? Well, if you want to let

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Speaker 2: us know that somebody's still alive, we want to hear

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing, especially if we thought they were dead.

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