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Speaker 1: it's fascinating. Second and two is so scary for a

431
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Speaker 1: defense because it can be either it's a run the

432
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Speaker 1: ball or short pass, or it's a lot. And even

433
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Speaker 1: if they don't complete anything, it's it's third and two

434
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Speaker 1: and you're still you gotta play man or zone or

435
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Speaker 1: pressure or something. You know. Look, I'm I'm gonna have

436
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,600
Speaker 1: you put on your coaching head now. So the league

437
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Speaker 1: has a bunch of young quarterbacks, right, and so if

438
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Speaker 1: you could craft a plan against a young quarterback, he

439
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Speaker 1: can be mobile or not. What do you believe are

440
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Speaker 1: some of the difficult things that young quarterbacks have to

441
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Speaker 1: face and what would be some of the things that

442
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Speaker 1: you want to put in your game plan. I think

443
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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta show them different looks. Right, It's

444
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,639
Speaker 1: it's super cliche and easy to talk about. But a

445
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Speaker 1: lot of these young guys that come in, they're all smart.

446
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,400
Speaker 1: They all understand football. They understand split safety versus single high.

447
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Speaker 1: But I think you've got to see how quickly they

448
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Speaker 1: can process post snap right. And so if you show

449
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Speaker 1: split safety and you rotate down, or you show single

450
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Speaker 1: high and rotate the two, I think you can't make

451
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Speaker 1: stuff look easy for him. And you also can't give

452
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Speaker 1: them easy throws over the middle. I think that's when

453
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Speaker 1: guys start really rolling, is when they can complete balls

454
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Speaker 1: over the middle for ten fourteen yards and then they

455
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Speaker 1: start getting in the rhythm a little bit. Um. That's

456
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Speaker 1: what I would try to do, and I would try

457
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Speaker 1: to push the pocket and make him uncomfortable upfront. That's

458
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Speaker 1: one thing that we always talked about, and I think

459
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Speaker 1: it's true these guys. If you can muddy the middle

460
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Speaker 1: of the offensive line and so they can't step up

461
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 1: in that pocket, I think it it makes their life

462
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Speaker 1: difficult and makes your job easy, especially for those inside guys, Like, look,

463
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Speaker 1: this is what we're looking for. We're gonna game plan

464
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Speaker 1: heavy inside push on third down, We're gonna limit throws

465
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Speaker 1: over the middle, and we're gonna make him earn it.

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, if he's hitting fifteen sixteen yard outs and

467
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Speaker 1: he's hitting deep comebacks on the other side of the field,

468
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Speaker 1: you kind of have to live with that. But if

469
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Speaker 1: you can make it hard for him and not give him,

470
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Speaker 1: not give him easy stuff. You can't just line up

471
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Speaker 1: and cover three and say, well, he's a young guy,

472
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Speaker 1: he's not going to complete the ball. Most of these

473
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Speaker 1: guys can do that. But if you show split safety

474
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Speaker 1: and then you rotate down to three, and then you

475
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: show man and you play press bail and you know,

476
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Speaker 1: get into three. It just the more you can change

477
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Speaker 1: these looks up for the guys, the better, the better,

478
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Speaker 1: more success you're gonna have you because I think it's

479
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Speaker 1: these guys are so used to seeing stuff in college

480
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: like come out middle clothes, look over, they look over

481
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Speaker 1: the sideline, get a play change from the quarterback, and

482
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Speaker 1: then it's a predetermined throw. So I think if you

483
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Speaker 1: can get to the point where it's it's difficult for him,

484
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Speaker 1: their life's not easy. You get inside push and they

485
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Speaker 1: can't throw the ball over the middle. With the success,

486
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Speaker 1: I think you can have some some some good luck.

487
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take what you just said, and flip

488
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Speaker 1: it over to the other side and think about it

489
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Speaker 1: from a team building perspective. So let's say you're bringing

490
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Speaker 1: in a young quarterback or rookie quarterback and you want

491
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Speaker 1: to get him up and established. We've always talked about

492
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Speaker 1: like the three ps, right, You've got to have a

493
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Speaker 1: good play caller, you gotta have protection, you gotta have playmakers.

494
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Speaker 1: But listen to you talk about, you know, interior pressure

495
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Speaker 1: and taking away easy throws. Like to me, I'm thinking, like,

496
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Speaker 1: if we narrow that down, if you're gonna roster build

497
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Speaker 1: around a young quarterback, it would seem to be having

498
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Speaker 1: a really strong interior three along your offensive line and

499
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Speaker 1: then you know whether it's a tight end or a slot,

500
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Speaker 1: but somebody who can give you easy, baked in completions

501
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Speaker 1: would be kind of a key component to make a

502
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Speaker 1: young quarter a comfortable with that. Beyond on target, I

503
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Speaker 1: think so, I think the inside of the offensive line

504
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Speaker 1: is super important. I mean, when we had success in Carolina,

505
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Speaker 1: we always had Ryan. You know, Ryan was a study

506
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Speaker 1: could get everybody lined up, um and that was the

507
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Speaker 1: one thing that was difficult within our division was the

508
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Speaker 1: centers were so good, you know, Drew had Max Hunger

509
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Speaker 1: for the latter part of my career, and then um,

510
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Speaker 1: you know they got Ryan Jensen down to Tampa and

511
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Speaker 1: then um Alex Mack was in Atlanta. So I think

512
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Speaker 1: if you're a young quarterback, I think the best thing

513
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Speaker 1: that can happen for you is you feel protected and

514
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Speaker 1: you give an easy outlet. And however you want to

515
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Speaker 1: do that on the offensive line is is I think

516
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Speaker 1: super important. And if you can get a guy like Greg.

517
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Speaker 1: Greg could just get open. He could he could where

518
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Speaker 1: every the ball was. He could catch it, but he

519
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Speaker 1: could uncover, he could get open. He was smart. He

520
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Speaker 1: was an easy guy to throw the ball too. So

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Speaker 1: you know, if I was a young quarterback, I wouldn't

522
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Speaker 1: want to get hit and I want to be able

523
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Speaker 1: to get the ball out quickly to a guy that

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Speaker 1: I know could get open and catch the ball. So

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Speaker 1: that's I would agree with you on that. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny because I'm will come sure you heard this

527
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Speaker 1: from your coaches. They always talk about championship defenses are

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Speaker 1: strong right down the middle. So when you think about

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Speaker 1: some of the defense that you played on, what were

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Speaker 1: the key components from a personnel standpoint that enabled you

531
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Speaker 1: guys to be a great defense. So my my rookie year, um,

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Speaker 1: I thought we had guys that that were really good

533
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Speaker 1: up front. I had never had never played with guys

534
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Speaker 1: like that that was that big and athletic and strong,

535
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Speaker 1: and I was like, these guys were awesome. And then um,

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Speaker 1: my second going into my second year, we drafted starlt

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Speaker 1: Tutela he plays with Buffalo now he's a first round pick.

538
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Speaker 1: He was a stud um. And then Kawan short was

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Speaker 1: they kind of both played, you know, the shade and

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Speaker 1: the three. And then we had um Dawn Edwards, which

541
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Speaker 1: he was he started in he was in Buffalo and Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: We drafted he was unbelievable. He was just a great

543
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Speaker 1: older guy that just understood football right. He could play three, inside, outside,

544
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: he could do everything. Um. And then we had Charles

545
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Speaker 1: Johnson and Greg Hardy when I first got there, and

546
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Speaker 1: then we drafted a few other guys. We pep when

547
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Speaker 1: I was there, and I just know as a linebacker,

548
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Speaker 1: if your front four guys are really good, not only

549
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Speaker 1: can they rush the passer, but they make getting to

550
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Speaker 1: the second level super difficult. And especially back when I

551
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: got in a lot of it was run the ball,

552
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Speaker 1: run the ball, run the ball, throw play action off

553
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Speaker 1: of it. And our defense was so good right up

554
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Speaker 1: the middle with those front four guys that everybody's job

555
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: after that was easier. And I thought, that's how we

556
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Speaker 1: built our team was edge rushers, UM inside, big guys

557
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Speaker 1: that could affect the game at two levels, both run

558
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Speaker 1: and passed, and then Um, Thomas and I were just

559
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Speaker 1: kind of able to hang back there and and just

560
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Speaker 1: run around. It was super easy. I mean, my first

561
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Speaker 1: few years we just we just hung in there and

562
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Speaker 1: run around and Starring KK and Dwan and all those

563
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Speaker 1: guys just dominated up front. That's fantastic. I want to

564
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Speaker 1: go back to the coaching thing that that Bucky was

565
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: talking to you about a little while ago. Um, did

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Speaker 1: you notice a difference from when you started in the

567
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Speaker 1: League two when you left, about you know, how how

568
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Speaker 1: it was different coaching you're receiving, you know, in terms

569
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Speaker 1: of just the younger guys coming in. Maybe some of

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Speaker 1: the old school coaching was not as as prevalent as

571
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Speaker 1: when you started. Was there was there a change at

572
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Speaker 1: all during your during your career. I think I think

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Speaker 1: I was very fortunate with the guys that I had

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Speaker 1: in Carolina. You know you look, when I was there,

575
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Speaker 1: was you know, excuse me, Sean McDermott, Steve Wilkes, Al Holcom,

576
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Speaker 1: Eric Washington, all right, and we had Sam Mills and

577
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Speaker 1: a couple other guys that were in there. And then

578
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Speaker 1: I had Steve Russ he was my linebacker coach after

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Speaker 1: um Il was there in my rookie year with a

580
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Speaker 1: guy named Warren Bland. And they were great teachers. They

581
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Speaker 1: understood the game, but they taught really well. I wouldn't

582
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Speaker 1: say they're necessarily old school guys, but they understood, they

583
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Speaker 1: understood how to talk to guys. They understood the relationship

584
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Speaker 1: side of football. Um So there wasn't a ton of

585
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Speaker 1: yelling and screaming and dog cussing and belittle and guys.

586
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: It was more of like, this is what we want

587
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Speaker 1: to do, this is how we're gonna do it. I'm

588
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Speaker 1: gonna teach you and put you in the best posish

589
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Speaker 1: and succeed. And I think we always had older guys

590
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: that when maybe the coach's message didn't get through to

591
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: the players, each guy, every every room had a dude

592
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Speaker 1: that could really pull the young guy as side and like, hey,

593
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Speaker 1: this is what he means, and maybe it didn't sound

594
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Speaker 1: like that, but this is what he means. And I

595
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: was fortunate. I think in my situation in Carolina from

596
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Speaker 1: Ron Rivera all the way down that we had great

597
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Speaker 1: teachers and great people and people that value the relationship

598
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: side of sports and football in general. Um, So I

599
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Speaker 1: don't think there was a ton of like the dog cussing,

600
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Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know how it is everywhere else,

601
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 1: but we were very fortunate. You know. Look, it's it's

602
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Speaker 1: funny because I'm listening to and you talk about the

603
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Speaker 1: relationships and one of the things that I've learned from

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Speaker 1: from great coaches that, um, the team is always better

605
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: when his player driven and on great defenses, it appears

606
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Speaker 1: to be that the standard is uphilled by the players

607
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily about the coaches. So talk about

608
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: the peer pressure that leaders can put on other guys

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Speaker 1: to make sure that everyone is playing in performing at

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Speaker 1: the standard. I think, you know, you look at our

611
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: defense from when I was there, the guy that was

612
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: always there was Thomas Right, and Thomas Thomas set the standard.

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Speaker 1: He set the tone, um and he was so competitive

614
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: that he could challenge guys to be better without without

615
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Speaker 1: yelling at him. And it was such a unique trait

616
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Speaker 1: that he had, and he practiced so hard, and so

617
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: it's not like he'd come to come to the sideline

618
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: during practice and get on a guy about why aren't

619
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: you doing this? Why aren't you doing that? And the

620
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: guy looking at and be like, well, you're not doing

621
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: it either. It was you saw Thomas on tape doing it,

622
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Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, Thomas is doing it, and he's

623
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Speaker 1: been in the leap for however many years, like I

624
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: might as well do it. And then I think what

625
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: was really good for us was we had so you

626
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Speaker 1: look in the dB room, we had, you know, we

627
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: had a guy named Quentin Michael, and then we had

628
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: Roman Harper, and then wet Her Coleman, and then we

629
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Speaker 1: had Mike Adams and Eric Read and you look at

630
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: all those guys, they're all the same dude, smart, intelligent, effort, tough,

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Speaker 1: and no one practiced harder or it was tougher than them.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like if you're in that room and

633
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 1: you're a young guy and you're being lazy and one

634
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: of those guys gets on you, it's not like, well

635
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: you're not doing it. It's like where they watched you

636
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: and practice and like wow, like he's getting on me

637
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: for it and I'm not practicing as hard as he is,

638
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: and he's been in the league for ten years, Like

639
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: I might as well do it in the same thing

640
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: up front with um. You know, Charles Johnson was at

641
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: d nd UM, Dwan Edwards, KK and Starr like those guys.

642
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: You didn't need to say anything to those guys because

643
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: they just did it the right way. And all the

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00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: young guys when they came in. You looked at those

645
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: older guys and it was just expected and there was

646
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: no really, there wasn't really a choice. There wasn't really

647
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: an argument. It was this is how we do things,

648
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: this is how we expect you to do it, and

649
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: this is why we do it. And then it shows

650
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: up in the game. And I think that's where the

651
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: coaches did a really good job, is something would show

652
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: up in a game and they would maybe maybe a

653
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: run got out and it was thirty yards down the

654
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: field and we stunk on defense, but one of the

655
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: d lineman ran and chased him all the way down

656
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: to tap with them thirty yards down the field. Go

657
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: coach it and say, hey, you know you gotta be

658
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: in your gap. You gotta do this, you gotta do that.

659
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: But look at this guy. Look at Kyle. He ran

660
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: all the way down the field. Tackle this guy, and

661
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: then we get off the field with the punt or

662
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: a turn over, a field go instead of a touchdown.

663
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: I think the coaches expected us to do things the

664
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: right way, but they did a really good job of

665
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: highlighting it when we did. And I think that gives

666
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: guys a lot of ownership to the fact that, like,

667
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: what I'm doing is being seen. It's amazing. You can

668
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: watch some teams have that and others don't. I mean

669
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: you just just in what you just said. Just watch

670
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: the Biggs chase and some teams you'll see it, and

671
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: other teams they'll take that play off. And I think

672
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: it says a lot about your culture and about your

673
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: overall defense. Yeah. Um, one of the things we were

674
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: talking about the other day, Luke was h if you

675
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: look at like the top eight rushers, I think was

676
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: coming to the last week, six of the eight plus

677
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: pound guys. So where the league kind of trended more

678
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: towards us smaller, you know, pass catching backs. There's kind

679
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: of a little bit of resurgence of these bigger, physical

680
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: g What was that like as a linebacker, maybe as

681
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: you get into the fourth quarter and you're dealing with

682
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: the backup that's a that's a bigger back. I think

683
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: they they're they're just a pain man Like, they're just

684
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: a pain in the butt, you know. Like fortunately for

685
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: us we had Stu right, so we kind of kind

686
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: of had that guy and I got to watch it. Um.

687
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: But when you play bigger backs, like you know, obviously

688
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk about Derrick Henry and what he

689
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: does and Jonathan Taylor looks to me like a big

690
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: back or Leonard for Matte. Those guys are just big

691
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: and strong and physical, I mean, and they're hard to tackle.

692
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: Marshawn was like that and you just you just gotta

693
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: hit him in and like you know, the game goes

694
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: on and it's like man like. It's especially especially get

695
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: in the four minute situations. It's like they're gonna run power,

696
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna run bounce, they're gonna run wide zone, and

697
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: you gotta go smack that guy because you know it's coming.

698
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: He knows it's coming, and if you're not locked in,

699
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: it can wear on you a little bit because those guys,

700
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: I think those I think those running backs just love

701
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: getting that ball at the end of the game, like

702
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: time for me to show up. And but you just

703
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: gotta play, man, and that's at the end of the day.

704
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: You gotta think maybe if if you're tired, you gotta

705
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: think that guy has played a lot of snaps two

706
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: and he's tired. Um, And it was I enjoyed that

707
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: part of the game, But those guys, man, I'd rather

708
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: I'd rather hit a guy that's two hundred pounds and

709
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: two forties. So it's pretty. It's pretty for you and

710
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: DJ it kind of take me to where I want. Like,

711
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a notion where football has changed and

712
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: it's become a little more of a finesse game with

713
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: all the throwing. But look, you've been in enough playoff

714
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: games to know that when you get in the postseason

715
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: it's a different animal. Um. Can you talk about like

716
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: just the physicality and urgency that is necessary to be

717
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: a championship team at the end of the day, how

718
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: physical the game has to be if you want to

719
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: hoist the trophy. We din't you know, at the end

720
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: of the season, every play matters. You know in the

721
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: middle of in the middle of the season, you know,

722
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: a couple of plays here and there, it might not

723
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: be a huge deal. Obviously they are obviously super important.

724
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: But if you can run the ball in the playoffs

725
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: and play physical and take pressure off the quarterback and

726
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: just control the ball, I think that's how you win.

727
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: And you know teams that are able to do that,

728
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of success, I think. I think

729
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: New England's a lot like that. Tampa was able to

730
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: run the ball when they wanted to. I think that's

731
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: the thing with the run game is you got to

732
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: be able to run the ball when you want to

733
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: and when you have to. If if you can't run,

734
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: if you can run the ball and get six yards

735
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: on first down every third or fourth play, you might

736
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: have a good average at the end of the game.

737
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: But in the playoffs, I think you need to be

738
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: able to run the ball when you have to and

739
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: when you want to. And I think that ultimately comes

740
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: down to a mindset and a set of physical guys

741
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: up front that want to block, and a running back

742
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: that's not afraid to pound the ball. And then on

743
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, it doesn't matter if

744
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: it's split safety, single high, you're pressure and you've got

745
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: to stop the run because then that makes teams one dimensional.

746
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: And then your guys in the edge get all excited

747
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: because they can pin their ears back and rush. But

748
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: the physical side of the game shows up, and especially

749
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: December and anywhere, especially in the playoffs. Obviously when the

750
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 1: ability to run the ball, I think it is more important.

751
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to run it when you want

752
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: to and when you have to, and you gotta stop

753
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: it the same way physical football. I was talking to

754
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: a coach other day, Luke, who said they had just

755
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: played a team and they had some success against him

756
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: because when they went back and and kind of looked

757
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: at what had gotten them in previous weeks defensively, it

758
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: said this, this team like they're they kind of almost

759
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: scrapped their whole offense and basically just ran everything that

760
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: had gotten us in the previous three or four weeks, like, yeah,

761
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: we made the corrections. Like we made the corrections. And

762
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: that was like, oh, here comes this and this is

763
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: from the game two weeks ago, this is from last week.

764
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: How important is that you guys kind of defensively learn

765
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: from maybe what you got hit on over the season,

766
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: knowing that these coordinators gonna give it to you again.

767
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: We we played you remember what year it was, but

768
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: we we something happened to us early in the season,

769
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: right it was. It was a tight end throwback play

770
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: and it scored like forty five yard touchdown, and it

771
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: was super embarrassing because the guy was wide open. And

772
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: then we got it the next week and they scored

773
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: again or like gosh, we're terrible. And then and then

774
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: it showed. It started showing up in practice every week

775
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: and every week and every week once or twice, so

776
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: we're probably two or three times a week. And then

777
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: by at the end of the season, we got it

778
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: three or four more times and we had it taken

779
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: care of because it was such a point of emphasis

780
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: that you know, it was this guy lines up here,

781
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: this is the look, this is the action. There the

782
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: post nap action, and this is where he's gonna end up.

783
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: And we we started getting it later in the season

784
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: and it was we knocked it out right. But you know,

785
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: if if I'm if I'm an offensive coordinator, I'm watching

786
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: the game and I see teams have success consistently on

787
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: a certain concept or scheme idea. I'm probably gonna throw

788
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: that in there too, so I mean, it makes sense

789
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: they think. You know, we always talked about the league

790
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: is a coffeecat league. And the funny thing is, we

791
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: got another situation. We played Cleveland and twenty and they

792
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 1: they scored, they popped along run on like some crack

793
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: toss shovel past to Jarvis Landry and then um, they

794
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: they got six or forty yards on it. And then

795
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: they ran it again later in the game for like

796
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: a touchdown or two point inversion. And then we got

797
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: it later in the season two other times. And now

798
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: I've seen it happened in the league a bunch since then.

799
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: So it's like everybody sees a play and like, I

800
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: like that play, I'm gonna put it in. But as

801
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: as you begin to practice stuff more and more often,

802
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: you just get used to those oddities. You know. It's

803
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: funny because what you mentioned is like the copy gatt

804
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 1: nature of the league, and I feel like the league

805
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: trends like that offensively and defensively, Like one year, uh

806
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: Tampa two becomes the invoked things. So everyone spends all

807
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: off season doing those things. Louke, what's the danger in

808
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: doing that kind of stuff though, kind of morphing to

809
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: what's the trendy thing as opposed to kind of sticking

810
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: to what's your identity on the defensive side of the wall.

811
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: I think you never right there, like stick to what

812
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: you're good at and stick to what you've which you've

813
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: installed since day one, right. Obviously you can have some

814
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: stuff and change some things up. But if if you

815
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: installed it in O. T A s and you thought

816
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: about it all off season as a coach, then I

817
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: think you feel pretty good about what you put in

818
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. So this is

819
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: how we're gonna play cover three. This is how we're

820
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: gonna play for We're gonna switch up the split safe

821
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: team play too every once in a while, and these

822
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: are gonna be our man and zone pressures, and this

823
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: is what we're good at. And I'm going to coach

824
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: off that. And I thought that's one thing that we

825
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: did well for a long time in Carolina was this

826
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: is what we are. We're not going to change who

827
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: we are on a week to week basis. We might

828
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: change how we play some things, but I'm a big

829
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: fan of especially on the defensive side of the ball.

830
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: Take pride in what you do, know what you are,

831
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: and and just coach it up. So if you get

832
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: a weird look during practice or you watch something on

833
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: tape that's strange from the team you play, and make

834
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: sure that you go over it and all your three

835
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: four to your zonne pressures and on third down, and

836
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: if you can coach it and you feel good about

837
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: your scheme and your system and your coaches and their

838
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: ability to coach. I just like staying with what with

839
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: what we got. I'm curious, Luke, at this point in

840
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: time in the year, you know, it's a seventeen game

841
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: season for the first time. Do you remember anything kind

842
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: of in that last quarter of your rookie season or

843
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: maybe some advice you gave to rookies as they were

844
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: kind of coming down the home stretch here of a

845
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: long season. I just remember getting to right now Thanksgiving

846
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: and you look at the schedule and there's like five

847
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: or six games left and you're like, oh my gosh,

848
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: like I should be done, or I should be getting

849
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: ready for a bowl game. I should have three or

850
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: four weeks off where I get a week off and

851
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: then we have a bowl practice. And I think that

852
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: the thing especially as a young guy that it's not

853
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: so much the physical toll, but it's it's the mental

854
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: toll of the season. Right, You're you're in it all

855
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: the time, right you don't. You're there early in the morning,

856
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: you get out in the afternoon, and you're there every

857
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: day and it's always something new, right, new scheme on

858
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, new install um, your

859
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: had practice, and it just mentally, it just wears on you.

860
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: So I think for me, one thing that helped me

861
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: all these older guys that talked to me about that

862
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: going into my rookie there, like you need to get

863
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: on a schedule and you need to sleep and you

864
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: need to well, if you can get on the schedule,

865
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: the season will just roll by, and then you just

866
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: kind of have to lock in once December hits, because

867
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: those are the games that really matter. Especially my first

868
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: year we didn't go to playoffs, but my second year

869
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: we were in a playoff push with um with New

870
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: Orleans to win the division then get a first round

871
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: by and so you didn't really have a choice but

872
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: to really lock in. But my rookie year, we won't

873
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: go into the playoffs, and it's like, man, with the

874
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: season is it's long. I'm usually done by Now I've

875
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: got five more games. You know, it's it's it's a

876
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: grind mentally, I think more than physically, especially when I

877
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: was a young guy. So now you're a head coach,

878
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: um seventeen game season, because it's longer, how do you

879
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: navigate it differently than you would under the normal circumstances

880
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: that you played in with the sixteen game season, because

881
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: one game doesn't seem like a lot, but it is

882
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: a little different deal. How would you manage it at

883
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: the end of the yef you're a head coach, Well,

884
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: I think the important thing is is the recovery, the

885
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: physical aspect, the recovery aspect of of how you schedule

886
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: practice and when you guys, when you give guys days off.

887
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: And I think with all the analytics and all these

888
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: GPS numbers and that that all these coaches have and

889
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: all these teams have, they can I think they can

890
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: put a plan together that allows guys to recover and

891
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: then be ready to go on Sunday. Because you look

892
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: at the week, right, the only thing that really matters

893
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: is how well how good do you feel on Sunday?

894
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: So if I'm a coach. I'm working back from there

895
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: and understanding like, all right, I gotta install this, this

896
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: and this, but my days to recover here and here,

897
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: especially for an older team, how well, how well can

898
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: they recover and how good can they feel going into

899
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: that game on Sunday. And I think that's where that

900
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: extra game really comes into plays. How good do they

901
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: feel physically? And I thought, you know, when we went

902
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, I felt like we were super healthy.

903
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: You guys had great energy, guys felt really good and

904
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: they were healthy and energized going into that game. So

905
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: I think that seventeen game just adds another little bit

906
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: of a different dimension. But I think if you can

907
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: jump on it early in the season and give guys

908
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: built in time to cover, I think that's where you

909
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: can have the benefit. Well, man, you've been so generous

910
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: with your time. Catching up with you again, this has

911
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: just been a blast. I've got to leave you here.

912
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: The last question is scouting. Question is two scouts. You're

913
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: always looking for a little scouting nugget. Uh, So you've

914
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: been on these hunting trips. I need to know scouting wise,

915
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: like what's at the top of the board, what's at

916
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: the top of your draft board. Which hunting trip is

917
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: up there? So we I did. I did a trip

918
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: with my dad in Montana for elk Um. That was

919
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. We both hunted it and we

920
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: had we we had success. But I love I love

921
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: to hunt white tail and I've been getting I've been

922
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: getting my butt whoop the last few years with the

923
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: white dale. So that's that's on the list right now.

924
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: I've gotta kinda I gotta figure it out. I got

925
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: to crack the code of what it takes to uh

926
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: to get on some big white tail. As I've had

927
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: some some close encounters. I've seen some good looking to hear,

928
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: but I just haven't had the opportunity to close the

929
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: deal yet. So that's hopefully next time I chat with

930
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: you guys, they can report some good news. That's fantastic,

931
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: that's so good. Hey, look, you you are the best man.

932
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: It's so generous with your time and we always end

933
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: up taking pages of notes here. It's great stuff. Man.

934
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: We appreciate you cool. Thanks for having me on all right, buck,

935
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: Once again, I can't thank Luke enough. Very generous with

936
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: his time, kept him a long time there, but so

937
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: much insight the page is full of notes here. What

938
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: what struck you as the most interesting thing to come

939
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: out of that conversation? Man, so many notes. Um, A

940
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: couple of things. I think the way you talked about

941
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: building a championship level defense, where you focused on the front.

942
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: I thought his comments on setting the edges in terms

943
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: of playing great defense, how the corners at Caroline did

944
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: a great job sitting the edge so he could just

945
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: kind of run and flow. And then I just think

946
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: his insight on coaching, and he kept coming back to

947
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: the same point on whatever you put in in the

948
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: off season, you need to continue to trust and rely

949
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: on that. And he was very detailed and specific about

950
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: those things over and over and over again. Where you

951
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: talked about the reps and knowing the comfort level, knowing

952
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: who you are and not doing what we call a

953
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: lot of last minute changes in the middle of the year.

954
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: I think that's critical because for someone who I would

955
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: regard as a high i Q player to say that

956
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: I want comfort, structure, consistency, to me, that's saying everything.

957
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: Because if he is asking for that, imagine what those

958
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: guys who don't have some of those same capabilities, what

959
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: they need to be able to be successful in floors.

960
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking of B B and MTS. So Bill

961
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: Belichick do your job right famously, you have the documentary

962
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: with that title. You see him say that every single

963
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: week on the sideline there with the Patriots. So you've

964
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: got the Bill Belichick do your job. But then you've

965
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: got to move the sticks. Motto of know your formula,

966
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean that is that not what it is? Like?

967
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: Know who you are, what you're about, and stick to that. Yeah,

968
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: I know who you are, know what you're about, don't deviate,

969
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: don't don't try and get off the rails. When you

970
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: talked about the cute stuff to train these stuffies like

971
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: oh that's great, yeah, but you gotta know who you

972
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: are and who you are, what you have and all

973
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: those other things. And I think is it was really

974
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: great to hear because like we always talk about the

975
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: game changing, but really it remains the same. And I

976
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: think Luke was able to give some perspective on even

977
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: though the game evolved, it still comes down to a

978
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: couple of things, um in terms of how you play schematically,

979
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: but it's still about the urgency and effort that you

980
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: bring their overall physicality and just kind of understanding how

981
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: you have to fit in, how you have to ramp

982
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: it up when it gets late in the season. I

983
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: also love the conversation. You brought up a great question

984
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: about how do you attack these young quarterbacks um and

985
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: make them uncomfortable? And he talked about how you change

986
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: looks and and just you've got to get some interior pressure.

987
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: We flipped it around and then he was excellent on

988
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: talking about and maybe how you would try and build

989
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: around a young quarterback. And I I don't know that

990
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: I've ever thought of it in those terms, but because

991
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: we've always said, right, you know, play callers, playmakers, and protection.

992
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: But I think the protection part, let's narrow that down.

993
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: I you know what first round picks, high price free agents,

994
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: that interior three. We are going to create a wall

995
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: with that interior three. But some of these quarterbacks come

996
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: in to the league or so athletic anyways, you get

997
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: a little heat off the edge, you've got an issue

998
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: with a tackle, you can chip, you can use a

999
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: tight end, you can help those guys out. You've got

1000
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: no answers when you're interior three aren't good. And that's

1001
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: just the young quarterbacks kryptonite. You got no shot it's funny.

1002
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: I believe it might be all quarterbacks cryptic nite. Going

1003
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: back to my time in Kansas City, I had a

1004
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: chance to play for Marty Schotenheimer, but the defense coordinated

1005
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: time was the late gun Than Cunningham and Gunther used

1006
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: to drop nuggets all the time about attacking the quarterback because, um,

1007
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: we were a heavy pressure team, real blitz heavy. We're

1008
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: coming after and he said, you know, depending on the

1009
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: style of the quarterback, he said, you need to blissen

1010
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: right up the guts so they can see it as

1011
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: well as feel it. When you're playing a guy that

1012
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: is more of an immobile quarterback, like a Tom Brady

1013
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: or Peyton Manning, you want to hit them right into

1014
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: a gaps so they can feel that pressure on them.

1015
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: Coming off the edges and stuff is fine, but the

1016
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks the ball is out before you ever get there.

1017
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: But coming up the middle, like Luke is talking about

1018
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: being able to have pressure up the middle and being

1019
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: able to have a fortress in the middle of the

1020
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: pocket for the quarterback to throw comfortably, that's really what's about.

1021
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: And so draft times we well, until recently when we're

1022
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: talking about Quinn Nelson, we always a kind of kind

1023
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: of dismissed the importance of guards and centers and all.

1024
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: We can find any of those guys. But d J

1025
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: when you start looking at some of the top teams,

1026
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: the top offensive teams, take a look at who they

1027
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: have on the interior, those positions inside. Just look at

1028
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: the rookie quarterbacks, look at the Look at the rookie quarterbacks,

1029
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: and compare the interior three. So we could really say

1030
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: interior three and easy completions. You haven't a good interior

1031
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: three and you have guys to give you baked in

1032
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: easy completions. He talked about work the middle of the field,

1033
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: being able to do that. So and you see, you know,

1034
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: Mac Jones works a lot to the perimeter with safe throws,

1035
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: and then as you get more comfortable, you're gonna get easy,

1036
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: baked in completions with the tight ends they went and paid. So, uh,

1037
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: it's just fastening to kind of look get these different

1038
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: teams and how they're they're you know, connected. The Jags,

1039
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they're interior three or easy completions are

1040
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: a big part of what they do. The Jets, I

1041
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: like Elijah Vera Tucker, but they needed a center and

1042
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: a guard and put next to them. They don't really

1043
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: have a tight end right now. I think Elijah Moore

1044
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: is going to be able to give them some of

1045
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: those easy completions from the slot. You've seen that some

1046
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: of that recently. Um, the Bears. I don't know that

1047
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of easy completions. And I know the

1048
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: interior three is not not great. Um, you kind of

1049
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: go all the way through the lip, you kind of

1050
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: go all the way down through the list here. It's

1051
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: fascinating to to look at, Yeah, build it. You know,

1052
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: we've always been a big proponents of building in the

1053
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: trenches on both sides of the ball. I think our

1054
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: experiences from the places that we've worked for and been

1055
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: around in our overall philosophies and team building kind of

1056
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: married to a O line and D line. You've gotta

1057
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: be big and strong in the trenches. But even now

1058
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: I think we're scoring towards more of an inside out

1059
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: build build it inside, make sure that you solid right inside,

1060
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: and then kind of work way out to the edges,

1061
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: um to make sure you're able to get it done.

1062
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: And we're seeing on both sides of DJ I just

1063
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: have this vision of the Cowboys game and how impactful

1064
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: Chris Jones was as a defensive tackle and even though

1065
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: the Cowboys hadn't all Pro and Zack Martin, he had

1066
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: a long day dealing with somebody on the inside. And

1067
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: to me, Dak Prescott played arguably his worst game of

1068
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: the season for sure, and one of the worst career

1069
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: in terms of just being uncomfortable. We can talk about

1070
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: the guys not being available on the outside, but it

1071
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: was a constant, in persistent pressure that Chris Jones was

1072
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: able to provide the completely wrecked the game plan and

1073
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: disrupted his rhythm. I think there's there's some lessons to

1074
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: be learned from that, and also from what Luke was

1075
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: able to talk about. Yeah, man, just uh, I mean

1076
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: we could go on and on and go through each

1077
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: of his answers because it was fascinating. Was great stuff. Um.

1078
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed that conversation as much

1079
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: as we did having it. And uh, and we'll have

1080
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: him on again soon we get an update on his

1081
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: hunting trips and see if he was able to get

1082
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: the white tail. By the way, truth serum, if you'd

1083
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: told me white tail was a fish, I would have

1084
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: bought it. No, no clue. No, I was guessing. I

1085
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: was guessing because of the hunting. Yeah, because of the honey.

1086
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: I was like white tail. The only animal that I know,

1087
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: the white tail that would be kind of like they'd

1088
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: be like baby baby and maybe just maybe it's just

1089
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: dead like that. That's the only thing I can think of.

1090
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything else, Like, it's not a rabbit,

1091
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be it wouldn't be thumper. He's not going

1092
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: to only That's the only thing that I could think. Yeah,

1093
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: we both played it off like we knew what we

1094
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: were talking about. Man, we both played it off. Well, yeah,

1095
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: good for you for playing along and what you do

1096
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: is just not yet. Yeah, yeah with you. Man. Yeah,

1097
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: i'd like to get that help too. Yeah, like just

1098
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: popping out like like no interest, dude, like they like

1099
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: like that one. That one't mean I didn't get the

1100
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: memo on that one. I missed. I missed that one.

1101
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: The hunting rage. I don't know. Maybe maybe I could

1102
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: try a little bit, but I think I probably Yeah,

1103
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: I think fishing probably more my jam. Uh, but you know, hey,

1104
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: give let's maybe give it a try here, Maybe try

1105
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: a little hunting trip and a little fishing trip and

1106
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: see if there either one of them. Uh work, I don't.

1107
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: I haven't really done much of either. But anyways, Hey,

1108
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: let's let's take a quick break. We'll come back and

1109
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: wrap this thing up, all right, Black, this was a

1110
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: fun one man. Anything else you want to add before

1111
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: we get out of here? No, I mean, I think

1112
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: it was great, And I think anything we have an

1113
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to uh A play with that kind

1114
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: of insight and perspective. I think it makes us all smarter, right.

1115
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: I just being able to really have a long, lengthy

1116
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: conversation with the guy was one of the best at

1117
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: his position, who had great experiences on great teams, and

1118
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: to be able to share that to me, Man, you

1119
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: talked about the pages of notes. I learned a lot

1120
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: in that conversation about not just defensive football, but all

1121
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: things football. Uh. I know Luke has talked about the

1122
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: resetting and understanding the fall, but man, that kind of

1123
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: knowledge to me that that has to be shared in

1124
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: between the lines. And I can see where he would

1125
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: be a great coach um at whatever level he elected

1126
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: to do it, if he decides that coaching is in

1127
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: his blood. No, doubt um get a chance to enjoy

1128
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: this season of life. But I have a feeling that

1129
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: his football book is not finished yet. There's more to

1130
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: come there, he has more to give to the sport.

1131
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: Just a phenomenal dude. So thanks again to Luke Keith

1132
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: Lee for his generosity with his time today with great conversation.

1133
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: Hope you guys enjoyed it and we'll catch you next

1134
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Speaker 1: time right here on, Move the sticks.