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Speaker 1: of Succession on HBO aka Max plus, season two episode
Speaker 1: four of Yellow Jackets on the beleaguered Showtime Network. Hello,
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Speaker 2: In this episode, Market Moves Baby, and the Market's moving
Speaker 2: Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding sells Elsell, Bye Bye Bye, Kendall.
Speaker 2: The killer is back. It's all going down. Succession, season four,
Speaker 2: episode four. In the Airlock, stepping into that icy wilderness
Speaker 2: for Yellow Jackets season two, episode four, shocking things are occurring,
Speaker 2: as always add in nerd out a Yellowjacket's theory from
Speaker 2: listener Cornelius.
Speaker 1: Oh, you love to hear it up.
Speaker 3: Next, Market Moves, and so we've come to the end
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Speaker 1: coverage of Succession season four episode four, titled Honeymoon States,
Speaker 1: directed by Loreen Scafaria, director of Hustlers and written by
Speaker 1: Jesse Armstrong, creator of the show, and Lucy Prebble. We
Speaker 1: open Rosie on the day after Logan's death due to
Speaker 1: pulmonary embolism suffered whilst fishing his iPhone out of an
Speaker 1: air plane toilet, which means it is now classy. What
Speaker 1: a classic way to go for a classic, which means
Speaker 1: it's now time to scrabble over the skeletal remains of
Speaker 1: his empire and sow up his outstanding affairs. The kids
Speaker 1: are dealing with this loss in different ways. Roman is fine,
Speaker 1: just brush his teeth. Ken is quietly shattered. Shiv, we learn,
Speaker 1: is pregnant and which is unrelated okay to what is
Speaker 1: going on in this in the current plot, but that's
Speaker 1: obviously still a lot to deal with on top of
Speaker 1: everything else. Prop Number one, first of all, shouts to
Speaker 1: our good friend h Over, a co host of Dune Pod.
Speaker 1: His partner basically called that Shiv was pregnant, so a
Speaker 1: big we were right to h and H's partner. First
Speaker 1: prompt it's a two parter prompt a by herself a
Speaker 1: father of Shiv's child. Is it Tom, her current husband
Speaker 1: soon to be ex husband. We think is it Nate,
Speaker 1: her ex she had an ongoing affair with while she
Speaker 1: was married to Tom. Is it the random guy she
Speaker 1: met at the bar after Willa's disastrous Broadway play debut,
Speaker 1: or literally anybody else could be anybody else? Remember she
Speaker 1: pitched Tom on an open marriage on the night of
Speaker 1: their wedding, Rosie, I ask you who is the fother?
Speaker 2: Okay? I think is fifty to fifty Tom? That makes
Speaker 2: the most sense to me, especially because there might be
Speaker 2: some kind of IVF situation first and embryos they've had
Speaker 2: that conversation or fifty percent that it's like a Dona
Speaker 2: that Shiv chose because she wants to have a baby
Speaker 2: for succession reasons and doesn't want Tom involved.
Speaker 1: Let's be real.
Speaker 2: Tom has been trying to climb the ladder of the
Speaker 2: roy family. He would absolutely, He's still trying very desperately.
Speaker 2: He would love to have a roy Air. So I
Speaker 2: don't know if Shiv would want to make that choice.
Speaker 2: But like you said, this is a lot to deal
Speaker 2: with and this I think this adds an interesting twist
Speaker 2: to the argument of succession because Kendall always seemed like
Speaker 2: a good get simply because he had kids, so that
Speaker 2: continues the line. But Shiv now is pregnant, so that
Speaker 2: adds a little bit of competition there for the ongoing
Speaker 2: Roy line.
Speaker 1: Very interesting stuff.
Speaker 2: I did not see this one coming, but as you said,
Speaker 2: H and his partner absolutely did.
Speaker 1: Roy of the blood is stirring in the womb of
Speaker 1: Chevron Roy. I will say, I'm going to buy Tom
Speaker 1: as the father. I think it is the father. I
Speaker 1: think it's a little too late to introduce some rando,
Speaker 1: although you know, I did enjoy Nate's slimy offerings to
Speaker 1: the delig And here is part B of the prompt.
Speaker 1: So Siv is on the phone. Is Shiv sick? That's
Speaker 1: the prompt, and here is the evidence to lay out
Speaker 1: for is Shiv unwell? She's on that call, and on
Speaker 1: that call to open the episode, she's not finding out
Speaker 1: she was pregnant. On this episode, she appears to be
Speaker 1: finding out that something did not affect her current pregnancy.
Speaker 1: She's still carrying the baby and therefore whatever the call
Speaker 1: is about did not adversely affect her her pregnancy. And
Speaker 1: then later in the episode we see her trip and
Speaker 1: fall in a way that feels not just an opportunity
Speaker 1: to kind of add to her humiliation of being cut
Speaker 1: out of co CEO. So I ask you, now, is
Speaker 1: Shiv well? Do we think Shiv is well? I think
Speaker 1: Shiv is sick. I think you'll read on this is right.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell if the call she was getting was
Speaker 2: about them testing to see if the IVF or the
Speaker 2: embryos had worked, but on second watch, it definitely seems
Speaker 2: more like something didn't negatively affect the baby, and she said,
Speaker 2: you know, it's positive. The baby seems okay. I'm very
Speaker 2: interested to know is Shift sick? Is it something that
Speaker 2: is an ongoing illness like an MS or something like that,
Speaker 2: or is it cancer?
Speaker 1: Shift definitely.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things she does during this episode
Speaker 2: that I think hint that she is sick and she's
Speaker 2: trying to get what she can even in a really
Speaker 2: shit situation. So I'm very interested to see where this goes,
Speaker 2: especially as I think it was. Super producer Chris was
Speaker 2: talking about how Brian Cox did an interview where he
Speaker 2: said every episode of the rest of the season is
Speaker 2: just a day, So how much are we gonna find out?
Speaker 2: And that makes sense after we watched this yesterday, you know,
Speaker 2: one day later, So with you know, six episodes left,
Speaker 2: so essentially a week. What can we find out? But yeah,
Speaker 2: ship falling over. They were definitely playing into the men
Speaker 2: in those spaces are going to think she's frail, but
Speaker 2: we know that's absolutely not Shiv's mo o. So that
Speaker 2: happening is very much goes against the shell and the
Speaker 2: armor that she usually puts up in those spaces. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think ships six. Sadly I do not believe she
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Everyone gathers at Logan's former Manhattan Plazzo for the settling
Speaker 1: of the affairs plus the board vote for interim CEO.
Speaker 1: The attendees include various Conservative luminaries, Colin Logan's body man
Speaker 1: in jeans, much to the shock of the children, a
Speaker 1: man who certainly looks a lot like former National Security
Speaker 1: advisor under Donald Trump, John Bolton, he of the let's
Speaker 1: just bomb Iran right now statements. GOP presidential candidate Menken,
Speaker 1: who is a Nazi but we don't actually see him,
Speaker 1: but certainly it's a secret. Security shows up, Sandy Elder,
Speaker 1: Sandy the Elder, Sandy the Younger, and Stewie, and of
Speaker 1: course Sandy the Elder, who we have not seen since
Speaker 1: he suffered a stroke. I believe it was a health
Speaker 1: setback that has left him. That has either left him
Speaker 1: with a smile on his face or he is just
Speaker 1: so happy to be here at Logan's wake sort of.
Speaker 1: He can't believe he outlived him. He cannot believe it.
Speaker 1: Also there Marcia, Logan's well last official partner. That's the
Speaker 1: big surprise, huge surprise. She is there. Of course she
Speaker 1: would not miss this event. She casually drops that her
Speaker 1: and Logan have been phone sexing every evening.
Speaker 2: And talking every morning. He checks every plan over. This
Speaker 2: is such a shocking power play. It makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense because why wouldn't she turn up?
Speaker 1: But she turns up.
Speaker 2: She very you know, conveniently reveals this secret that only
Speaker 2: she and Logan would know. And now Logan is dead.
Speaker 2: She's in a house that she owns now that Logan
Speaker 2: is dead, and she is just stone fucking called.
Speaker 1: She is a cold killer. She shouts to Willa for
Speaker 1: standing up for herself. So Marcia makes this very pointed like,
Speaker 1: look at how high you've look, at how far you've come, really,
Speaker 1: you know, referencing her marriage to to Connor. And of
Speaker 1: course she is a former escort and Willa defends herselves, like,
Speaker 1: look at look at both of us, look at how
Speaker 1: how far both of us have come good for you, Willa.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, Marcia manages to run carry over with
Speaker 1: a fucking pool build or just drops her in a
Speaker 1: grave nearby Logan, certainly not close enough that she could
Speaker 1: say that she was buried with him, but like in
Speaker 1: the area, and then also manages, with incredible haste to
Speaker 1: sell the palazzo to Connor for some sixty three million dollars.
Speaker 1: Over the course of this day, two power centers emerged.
Speaker 1: There are the old folks, Carl, Frank and Jerry and
Speaker 1: the kids. The music has essentially stopped on this game
Speaker 1: of musical chairs, and everyone without a seat is various
Speaker 1: levels of fucked. That includes Tom, that includes Greg, That
Speaker 1: certainly includes Carrie, who is chased out of the building
Speaker 1: through the back door, like weeping with stuff falling out
Speaker 1: of her bag and saying Logan was gonna make arrangements
Speaker 1: for me, will somebody please check on it?
Speaker 2: And she's just fucked, also basically telling Roman like we
Speaker 2: were gonna get married, Yeah, like this was gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I need to find the proof. I need you Roman,
Speaker 2: you know, such a complex character, but in that scene
Speaker 2: has so much haw and FIFA carry.
Speaker 1: He's the one who who doesn't lie. He really is.
Speaker 1: He's a terrible human being as they all are, but
Speaker 1: he is the one who he can't when he sees
Speaker 1: someone like in genuine distress, it affects him. He doesn't
Speaker 1: like confrontation or conflict in it, and it really bothers him.
Speaker 1: He wants to see that everyone's kind of like okay,
Speaker 1: uh and it's a really interesting uh side to uh
Speaker 1: to Roman. So Tom then pitches.
Speaker 2: Person trying to sell himself.
Speaker 1: He needs, he needs, he needs a safe space, and
Speaker 1: so he pitches the old folks on himself as in
Speaker 1: terms CEO he uh. It doesn't go that well. Greg
Speaker 1: is out there kissing every but cheek possible in order
Speaker 1: to find a safe place for him to be. And
Speaker 1: then meanwhile, of course the Gojo deal is hanging over everything,
Speaker 1: and Luke Maxon appears to be kind of steamed at
Speaker 1: the kids after they left him on dial basically while
Speaker 1: they kind of figured out it was a power move,
Speaker 1: but then they went on to say, oh, wasn't a
Speaker 1: power move.
Speaker 2: That was the stupidest and probably most impactful decision this
Speaker 2: episode of many stupid and impactful decisions, instead of just
Speaker 2: letting Roman pick up the phone, Yeah, Connor el Kendall, No, no, no,
Speaker 2: we don't need to just just let it ring out.
Speaker 2: And then they're in this kind of hilarious farce now
Speaker 2: where they're going to have to prove to Matson that
Speaker 2: they need to and you know they're talking about they've
Speaker 2: got to be there in twenty four hours for the retreat.
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming we're going to get see that next episode,
Speaker 2: which I would absolutely love because Matson is high he Oh,
Speaker 2: it was just wild.
Speaker 1: Prop Number two real recognize real estate. How much of
Speaker 1: Connor's wealth is left after buying this house? Will It
Speaker 1: seemed a little concerned at the price tag, And recall
Speaker 1: we have seen Connor previously the child of Logan's first wife,
Speaker 1: not his more beloved second wife, where you know shiv
Speaker 1: Can and Roman come from, and it has been intimated
Speaker 1: before that he doesn't have as much of a steak
Speaker 1: in the family business, or if maybe any steak in
Speaker 1: the family business like the other kids. And also we've
Speaker 1: seen him in the past, most notably during Willa's Broadway
Speaker 1: play Begging for money from Logan. How much money does
Speaker 1: Conder have left after spending sixty three million dollars on
Speaker 1: the plotz. He was also very worried about the taxes,
Speaker 1: which I get, I guess I get.
Speaker 2: I don't think he has enough money to buy the.
Speaker 1: House at all.
Speaker 2: He needs the Gojo deal. Do you remember karaoke? How
Speaker 2: fucking scared he was that the deal wasn't going to
Speaker 2: go through and then he called Logan and he snitched
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 1: That's what I want. Nobody needs sixty three million for
Speaker 1: house too.
Speaker 2: The house is ugly as fought.
Speaker 1: It is a three. I understand why Connor.
Speaker 2: Wants it, because it's an ultimate fuck you to Logan.
Speaker 2: Yes four, Marsha is a true g because she did
Speaker 2: not she was not gonna get that money from anywhere
Speaker 2: else right now in the housing.
Speaker 1: Waste from zero time. She's like, he's gonna be looking
Speaker 1: for sixty to seventy million for it, and he's like
Speaker 1: sixty three and she's like, good done, spits on her head.
Speaker 2: So I think this would either wipe Connor out or
Speaker 2: he actually might not have the liquidity to do it,
Speaker 2: and he's gonna be become very interested in.
Speaker 1: The's got it. He's gotta sell stuff. So he's got
Speaker 1: to sell the cars. He's gotta sell the hyper decanting machine.
Speaker 1: He's got to sell Napoleon's dick. He's gotta sell like
Speaker 1: the Joseph letter.
Speaker 2: It's a corner yard sale is gonna be happening outside
Speaker 2: the palaza.
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. I think Connor. I'm gonna say that
Speaker 1: Connor is worth fifty million, and that he needs and
Speaker 1: then illiquid fifty million, and that he's gotta move stuff around,
Speaker 1: plus get that Gojo money to go through in order
Speaker 1: for him to truly and finally and irrevocably purchase this palazzo, Manhattan,
Speaker 1: palazzo that Willa is gonna tear up the second they
Speaker 1: get into it. Whatever the game plan is here on
Speaker 1: this day is swiftly thrown into chaos when Frank, the
Speaker 1: executor of Logan's estate, discovers an undated piece of paper
Speaker 1: at Logan's private safe, indicating that at one time Logan
Speaker 1: wanted Ken to be CEO, and then at some other
Speaker 1: time he either underlined Ken or across his name out
Speaker 1: What do we do here, folks? The old folks. Carl
Speaker 1: and Frank briefly discuss Hey we could just, you know,
Speaker 1: something could just happen to it, this piece of paper.
Speaker 1: What if it got lost. I'm to say, I think
Speaker 1: it would be terrible if it was lost, But what
Speaker 1: if it was all of a sudden Johan just slipped.
Speaker 1: What if it shook and then Gustav Wynn took it
Speaker 1: and it flew away? And that Jerry comes in as like,
Speaker 1: what are you guys up to? And they're like, uh,
Speaker 1: we were just kind of like happily discussing this piece
Speaker 1: of paper that here says that Ken either is or
Speaker 1: isn't Logan's final wish as CEO, and we were wondering, like, gosh,
Speaker 1: what if this paper just fell into toilet? And then
Speaker 1: she says, oh, that's very funny. PS. I'm general counsel,
Speaker 1: so I can't play games like this.
Speaker 2: Three.
Speaker 1: How would you, Rosie Knight, speculating in a comic mode,
Speaker 1: a humor is vain, suggest getting rid of important legal documents?
Speaker 1: How would you do it in a in a funny way.
Speaker 1: Pitch me on, Let's get rid of these papers that
Speaker 1: are very very Importan and Germaine to the conversation that
Speaker 1: are ongoing and relate to very very strongly relate to
Speaker 1: Ken's interest in something, And how do we get rid
Speaker 1: of these papers? You pitch me on it. We got
Speaker 1: to get rid of him.
Speaker 2: Okay, I would love to have seen I'm with Cal
Speaker 2: on this one. I have to say, this is just
Speaker 2: a hat mess.
Speaker 1: I think you just clean again.
Speaker 2: I would have loved Carl has already He's flipped over it, Tom.
Speaker 2: He's at the end of his tether. His chill nature
Speaker 2: is leaving. He's always had a good cool front, but
Speaker 2: it's it's going. He wants his fucking golden parachute.
Speaker 1: He needs his money because he's buying a Greek island
Speaker 1: with his brother in law.
Speaker 2: And this is reliable troubles. So what I would have
Speaker 2: loved to see. I would have loved to see him
Speaker 2: just rip it him off and just start eating it.
Speaker 2: Him and Frank just eat it.
Speaker 1: So funny would that have been?
Speaker 2: How good?
Speaker 1: So Rosie, it's you and me and we're standing there
Speaker 1: and we've got the paper. What would you say to me?
Speaker 1: You want me to get rid of the paper. You
Speaker 1: certainly don't want to do it yourself. You want me
Speaker 1: to make the decision to eat the paper. How would
Speaker 1: you tell me to do it? I think I would.
Speaker 2: I would actually just I'd take a little bit of
Speaker 2: a corner to see if you're feeling like it. I
Speaker 2: tear a little bit off of meat and like give
Speaker 2: you the eyebrows, like the wiggle eyebrows, like.
Speaker 1: What about this?
Speaker 2: And uh, and then you know it's all about the money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just say, look, if these don't if this paper
Speaker 2: doesn't exist, we're in a much better state. And i'd also,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is the biggest argument that
Speaker 2: they failed on here. He's like, these kids are fucking idiots,
Speaker 2: Like Tom says it. Tom is the.
Speaker 1: Only one who's real.
Speaker 2: You don't want them involved. Yeah, the paper is gone.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I'm on Car's side. I'm all for
Speaker 2: getting rid of the paper. It's time. The kid's idiots.
Speaker 2: What would you do?
Speaker 1: Here's me pitch it. I would also, I mean, the
Speaker 1: thing is, if you get rid of it, you can
Speaker 1: never speak of it again, and it has to be gone,
Speaker 1: forever gone. And it's a risk, of course, it's a risk.
Speaker 1: Legally you'd be exposed, like the lawsuits stemming from this
Speaker 1: would be just it would cripple you. I don't care
Speaker 1: how rich you are, and certainly Frank and Carl are
Speaker 1: not cut from the same cloth. Despite the fact that
Speaker 1: Carl is buying an island, he's co buying an island.
Speaker 1: It cuts from the name. Yeah, cut from the same
Speaker 1: wealth cloth as the kids. So I would heavily lean
Speaker 1: towards getting rid of it, but I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: get rid of it myself. And if you were holding
Speaker 1: the paper as the executor of Logan's, well, here is
Speaker 1: how I would I would picture. I'd say, Rosie, it's
Speaker 1: a very interesting piece of paper. Let's look at it
Speaker 1: over here by the window in the light. Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: it's a windy day. What if you what if you
Speaker 1: what if you just what if your hands just suddenly
Speaker 1: not weak? You know, the wood is blowing so strongly
Speaker 1: up here on the seventh or eighth or tenth or
Speaker 1: whatever floor of this gigantic mansion on the upper east side.
Speaker 1: We all know how the canyons of New York create
Speaker 1: these wind tunnels. What if you just let go of it? Now,
Speaker 1: what if you just let all of that paper and
Speaker 1: it just flew away? It would be it would be, obviously,
Speaker 1: I think, a tragedy, and it would and it would
Speaker 1: rob the roy siblings of some of the context of
Speaker 1: their father's wishes in his final weeks months date, it's undated.
Speaker 1: Once again, we have to say that it's undated. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, but and that would be a tragedy. But
Speaker 1: to be what if it happened, it could happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I would do it.
Speaker 2: I think you're on the right track, because once it
Speaker 2: leaves that room, like if somebody did find it, it's nothing. Oh,
Speaker 2: somebody just made that the internet cafe. No one's gonna care.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I also think, you know the Oh no, I put
Speaker 2: it here next to my ashtray with my cigar.
Speaker 1: In it, you know, burn that shit.
Speaker 2: Oh no, It's gone basically many inventive ways. And I
Speaker 2: think they went about this the worst possible way, but
Speaker 2: the best possible way for unnecessary chaotic drama, which is
Speaker 2: what it absolutely instills.
Speaker 1: Well, the paper is then revealed and us immediately and suits.
Speaker 1: First of all, Ken, the kids are like, well, I
Speaker 1: wonder if this changes anything, and certainly Ken says, well,
Speaker 1: I think it does because my name is on the paper,
Speaker 1: and she was like, yeah, but is it crossed out
Speaker 1: or is what is this crossing it out? Is the underlining.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it to be a jerk, but
Speaker 1: like legitimately the line goes through your name kind of
Speaker 1: for at least forty percent of your name, you know,
Speaker 1: space wise. Ken and Roman eventually coalesce around a structure
Speaker 1: that they think makes sense. Now they were both COO
Speaker 1: at one time, and that is kind of like the
Speaker 1: necessary according to the bylaws the next person up for
Speaker 1: interim CEO in the event that something happens to the CEO,
Speaker 1: So it'd be weird. They both say, if if we
Speaker 1: didn't both step up as co ce interim CEO, and
Speaker 1: you know, with this paper in hand, certainly it seems
Speaker 1: like we have our father is okay to go ahead
Speaker 1: and do that? Now, Shiv is like, well, what about me?
Speaker 1: What if we do a triarchy? We do three of us?
Speaker 1: And they're like, that feels kind of weird, doesn't it
Speaker 1: Like three people feel a little too much? But I'll
Speaker 1: say it, but what And honestly, I do think they
Speaker 1: have a point in that Shiv has never worked there. Now,
Speaker 1: she states, now, I did do such and such project
Speaker 1: for Dad when I came in briefly, and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: But that as Ken notes pointedly, but I think fairly
Speaker 1: was make daddy would like, make busy work for dad.
Speaker 1: It wasn't really working there, as Ken and Rowan both had,
Speaker 1: and so they both decide that Shiv's officially out but
Speaker 1: will be unofficially in, as in everything that they decide
Speaker 1: she will be involved in. This, of course, is absolute bullshit,
Speaker 1: and they're going to cut her out at the earliest
Speaker 1: possible convenience. She will be shoved overboard her and her
Speaker 1: unborn child when we walk down the gang like, and
Speaker 1: she will go into the waters and seek below the
Speaker 1: waters and never be seen again. The board then votes,
Speaker 1: and guess what. Ken and Roman ascend the mountaintop for
Speaker 1: the interim as co Ceo, Hugo and Carolina then raised
Speaker 1: the issue. Now that the two boys are in the
Speaker 1: driver's seat of a statement, and here's the two options.
Speaker 1: We go positive. We burnish Logan's you know, coffin and
Speaker 1: his reputation, and we say what a legend he was
Speaker 1: and how his empire is in safe hands with the
Speaker 1: roy Boys, who were going to do just exactly what
Speaker 1: Logan wanted to do and would have done had he
Speaker 1: been alive or you know not in a not in
Speaker 1: a mean way, but maybe we go negative and we say, hey,
Speaker 1: Logan was fucking his assistant. He was a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: He covered up all the cruise, sexual assaults, all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. He was slipping Pete his pants couldn't
Speaker 1: walk back to the house when we were over in
Speaker 1: mon talk pitching what's his name? He was slipping, you know,
Speaker 1: various health concerns. And therefore, here's a new vital age
Speaker 1: with youth and vigor and strength at the helm, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna charte a brand new course. What do you say?
Speaker 1: The kids basically sided, let's not piss on our father's
Speaker 1: memory and let's go positive. Then Ken goes over to
Speaker 1: Hugo by himself, pulls Hugo aside and says, hey, remember
Speaker 1: that thing in the cold open where I walk past
Speaker 1: you and I heard you arguing with a person that
Speaker 1: turned out your daughter, Juliette. And what it occurred was
Speaker 1: you leaked the news that Logan was dead to your daughter,
Speaker 1: who you say you never speak to, but apparently you
Speaker 1: spoke to on this day. And then she went and
Speaker 1: did some insider trading, selling weight star stock before the
Speaker 1: news broke thereby avoiding losing a bunch of money. What
Speaker 1: if I go to the SEC with that, or you
Speaker 1: could go negative and you're not gonna tell Roman, You're
Speaker 1: not gonna tell Caroline, and you're just gonna do it
Speaker 1: on your own, and you're just gonna fucking eat this shit.
Speaker 1: And he goes like, I, yes, I will prop number
Speaker 1: four Rosie. The Ken document underlined or crossed out.
Speaker 2: It's crossed out. I'm a full, crossed out believer. Look,
Speaker 2: we know how Logan felt. I love this choice, and
Speaker 2: I love what they've done with this season, which is
Speaker 2: basically just taken us back four years, taken us.
Speaker 1: Back to the beginning.
Speaker 2: As Frank says, Logan did want Kendall to succeed him
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 1: At certain points, some points it's happened.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like that in the first season.
Speaker 2: That's what we thought, That's what Kendall thought. But I
Speaker 2: believe that was crossed out one hundred percent. Whoever wrote
Speaker 2: that line on that paper give.
Speaker 1: Them the awards. It's so good because it is so
Speaker 1: well done. But yeah, I am a crossed out believer.
Speaker 2: I think that ironically, Logan would be incredibly happy with
Speaker 2: the way that Kendall is behaving in all of this,
Speaker 2: and Kendall has basically become the monster that Logan always
Speaker 2: wanted him to be.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think that when Ken says
Speaker 1: it's what Dad would have done, he's one right, it's
Speaker 1: exactly what Logan would have done. And two he's also
Speaker 1: he's also uh, you know, separating himself from the actual
Speaker 1: decision in a way that allows him to kind of
Speaker 1: like soothe his own guilt over this really shitty thing
Speaker 1: that he's doing. Well, Dad would have done it, Therefore
Speaker 1: it's okay because who can blame me because my dad
Speaker 1: would have done the same thing. And he is right.
Speaker 1: But again, I think that he probably feels significantly guilty
Speaker 1: about this, And I think you're absolutely right. And I
Speaker 1: think Ken, on a certain level, despite his bluster, probably
Speaker 1: suspects that it was a crossout. I mean, again, we
Speaker 1: think goes it doesn't go through the whole name, but
Speaker 1: it goes through like three or four letters of the
Speaker 1: like it kind of comes up and it yeah, like
Speaker 1: certainly like looks like a quick crossout that that it
Speaker 1: partially goes under the name. Now, that's why when you're
Speaker 1: really gonna cross it out, you really just scribble and
Speaker 1: you just go for it.
Speaker 2: But I if you're gonna underline it, you start loa
Speaker 2: so this doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: But listen, I think we've seen this. We know enough
Speaker 1: about Logan to know that though he was a very
Speaker 1: tough guy, though he was a very you know, he
Speaker 1: was a dictator, and when he made a decision, he
Speaker 1: was gonna double down, triple down, quadruple down on the decision.
Speaker 1: He also, you know, you know, very strangely, he changed
Speaker 1: his mind a lot, and particularly about CEO. He did
Speaker 1: want Ken to run it for a period of time,
Speaker 1: although he didn't think Ken was necessarily tough enough and
Speaker 1: put Ken through the ringer. He wanted Roman to run
Speaker 1: it and said that for a while and put Roman
Speaker 1: through his paces and even put him on the early
Speaker 1: rungs of the ladder to run it. He told Shiv
Speaker 1: flat out, I want it to be you. It's you.
Speaker 1: I want you to run to the point that Shiv said,
Speaker 1: you know, is this real? Is this real? Because you
Speaker 1: know that's Logan's way. He dangles something, he pulls it away.
Speaker 1: I think when he drafted the document, the original document,
Speaker 1: I think he probably did want Ken to be CEO,
Speaker 1: and I think when he crossed it out he didn't
Speaker 1: want Ken to be see yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you one more question, because I
Speaker 2: think when do you think the document is from? I
Speaker 2: think from the first season because one of theirs, one
Speaker 2: of my favorite things about it is on the document
Speaker 2: he just wrote Greg question mark. Now. Greg was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this this is because he wants me to be Kendall's
Speaker 2: number two, and everyone's like.
Speaker 1: Nice, try. I like Frank, Greg, I love a good job. Try.
Speaker 2: Like I like to think that Logan wrote that, like
Speaker 2: in the at the timeline of the first episode where
Speaker 2: he he's just like Greg, like, who the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: Because he just Greg question mark? Who whoo? I think
Speaker 1: that that's probably right, and I think that when he
Speaker 1: crossed it out, I also think it's a crossout. I
Speaker 1: think he crossed it and I think he crossed it.
Speaker 1: I think he crossed it out when Ken killed the
Speaker 1: guy when you could kill the way yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Like well I killed the waiter, He's like a.
Speaker 2: Fucking yeah, he's at that point, he's just a reckless
Speaker 2: risk for your business.
Speaker 1: I found the the scene, you know, any time because
Speaker 1: these characters They're like spiders in a jar with nothing
Speaker 1: to eat but each other. And so whenever there's like
Speaker 1: a moment of kindness or gratitude it is, you just
Speaker 1: see it and you notice it, and it lands with
Speaker 1: incredible strength and power. And there was that moment where
Speaker 1: you know, like Ken has betrayed Slash backstab Slash undercut
Speaker 1: Slash left Stewie, his former college friend like hanging a
Speaker 1: million times now formally recall, Stewie was gonna back Ken
Speaker 1: for a hostile takeover the infamous Bear Hug to take
Speaker 1: over the company, and they were going to seize power
Speaker 1: from Logan. But then because Ken killed the guy, he
Speaker 1: couldn't do it anymore because, as he says to to
Speaker 1: Stuwie in this scene, he says, there was no card
Speaker 1: he was going to play against me, aka, my dad
Speaker 1: was basically going to tell the world that I killed
Speaker 1: a guy that and I was gonna be screwed. But
Speaker 1: then they so they have this back and forth and
Speaker 1: Stewie makes a very funny Stewie kind of burn about how,
Speaker 1: oh I heard Logan died when he saw your He
Speaker 1: died choking when he saw your business plan for beers.
Speaker 1: But they then they embrace and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you could tell that Ken really needed it. That was
Speaker 1: such a such a strong moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been doing a great job of that this season.
Speaker 2: There's also the moment that really stood out to me
Speaker 2: this episode, which is like extra heartbreaking because of what
Speaker 2: goes on to happen once the paper is found, but
Speaker 2: when Ken, Rome and Shiv are reading the obits about
Speaker 2: their dad and they're like translating what it means so
Speaker 2: they'll be like a man of his era and they're
Speaker 2: like he was a racist.
Speaker 1: Racist, And there's this there's this like.
Speaker 2: Absolute bonding and love and kind of laughter and lightness
Speaker 2: that we never get to see them share. And it's
Speaker 2: that moment of solidarity of what they've done, how they
Speaker 2: kind of beat Logan in the end, how he died,
Speaker 2: and then obviously Logan manages to fuck it up beyond
Speaker 2: the grave with some doodles. But I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those two moments really stood out to me because when
Speaker 2: same with Rome being nice to carry, Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: such a slight kind of Also, Rome was very upset
Speaker 2: by the pr plan to like shit on you know, Logan.
Speaker 1: He hated it. He does not like conflict.
Speaker 2: He does not like it, which is ironic because he
Speaker 2: has arguably more reason. Him and Connor, I would say,
Speaker 2: are up there for like people that Logan.
Speaker 1: Treated the worst. Yeah, I wonder if.
Speaker 2: That softness and that kind of emotionality that we see
Speaker 2: with Kerry, that we see there in that moment, how
Speaker 2: is that going to affect him and Ken. I actually
Speaker 2: think Shive is better off not being involved, because I
Speaker 2: think Kendall's going to absolutely destroy Roman in pursuit for
Speaker 2: this power.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think what we're seeing is
Speaker 1: much like a Sith lord of the rule of two.
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing Ken step into the cape of
Speaker 1: his evil father here, especially with the moves he made
Speaker 1: at the end and the way he just instinctively cuts
Speaker 1: Roman and of course Shive out of this decision towards
Speaker 1: the end. I will say that one thing, you know,
Speaker 1: thinking about again, that that moment with Roman and Carrie,
Speaker 1: he reminds me of you know, one of my other
Speaker 1: favorite shows, mad Men, Pete Campbell for Madman, who was
Speaker 1: a piece of shit, uh you know, uh. Sexual assault
Speaker 1: was out like hitting on teenage nannies that his neighbor had,
Speaker 1: but was also like strangely the guy who would like
Speaker 1: go at his coworkers for being racist about stuff, and
Speaker 1: you know, got absolutely up in arms when someone said
Speaker 1: something disparaging about Martin Luther King and didn't understand why
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to uh sell products to the black market.
Speaker 1: Very very very conflicting guy. And I feel that with
Speaker 1: Roman the way it's like he's conflict of verse but
Speaker 1: also like an absolutely horrendous person whose politics probably huw
Speaker 1: pretty closely to making the nazense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's some kind of moral compass.
Speaker 1: There's one thing on like a one to one basis.
Speaker 1: But then he's also the guy who like offered like
Speaker 1: a child, like a million dollars, remember like thing during
Speaker 1: the softball game at the very first episode of the show.
Speaker 1: So he's just a very very strange guy. What an
Speaker 1: incredible season of succession this is. I wish we had another.
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Speaker 2: We're stepping out of the air lock and into Yellow
Speaker 2: Jackets Season two, episode four, almost halfway through the season,
Speaker 2: and things are getting absolutely wild. This episode is called
Speaker 2: Old Wounds, was directed by Scott Wyinnan and written by
Speaker 2: Julia Bicknell and Liz Fang. In the nineties, Wilderness, It's Chili,
Speaker 2: It's called It's Snowy and Tie and Van are out
Speaker 2: in the woods. Seems like a bad idea, but sure
Speaker 2: they have a mission. They are marketing the trees that
Speaker 2: nighttime Tie has been leading them to. Van wants Tie
Speaker 2: to tell Lottie she's still on that kind of trip.
Speaker 2: She wants her to tell Lotti so that Lottie can
Speaker 2: work out what ties supernatural connection to the forest is.
Speaker 2: But ty is having none of it. She's still very
Speaker 2: firmly on team logic at this point. Probably should have
Speaker 2: listened to Van because in the modern day, we see
Speaker 2: that Tye is watching Nighttime Tie go through her things.
Speaker 2: She's in a strange kind of pseudo comatose state where
Speaker 2: she can't stop Nighttime Tie, but she's seeing her and
Speaker 2: the boom she wakes up. She's out of gas in
Speaker 2: her car or her assistance car. I actually believe in
Speaker 2: a rural roadside space next to a forest, and all
Speaker 2: that she has in the car is a file next
Speaker 2: to her that says yellow jackets dun d d D.
Speaker 2: Things do not going well for Tie. Basically, get help, babe, We.
Speaker 1: Seek help expeditiously. I beg you. You cannot go another
Speaker 1: half daily like this. You're losing time every two or
Speaker 1: three hours. This is not Cannibal, It's not good. You
Speaker 1: did not keep doing this. The only time.
Speaker 2: I've ever seen this happened to someone on a fictional
Speaker 2: TV show was Hannibal, and Hannibal Lecter was literally manipulating
Speaker 2: Will Graham.
Speaker 1: To make this happen to him.
Speaker 2: So the fact this is happening without Hannibal Elector doing it,
Speaker 2: it's going badly for you. Also going badly Shanna and Jeff.
Speaker 2: They're arguing because, you know, as we know, Callie told
Speaker 2: the cops that her mum was having an affair with Adam.
Speaker 2: They don't know it was Callie yet, but we do,
Speaker 2: and Jeff's not happy about it. Nat is having a
Speaker 2: rather good time at the wellness camp.
Speaker 1: It's strange. She wants to She wants to.
Speaker 2: Find out Lotty's secrets and discover what's happening with Travis,
Speaker 2: what she did to him. But she is bonding with Lisa,
Speaker 2: who was the young girl that we met who was
Speaker 2: This is a.
Speaker 1: Nice little paracter. I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a true kindness here and Lisa has
Speaker 2: a lot of empathy for Natalie. So they're going on
Speaker 2: a They're gonna go on a little trip today. Lots
Speaker 2: of road tripping going on this episode. Speaking of road trips, Misty,
Speaker 2: she is still very worried about Nat and basically all
Speaker 2: of her friends have forgotten about her. Shaun has wrapped
Speaker 2: up in you know, doing a murder. Tires has multiple personalities.
Speaker 2: One of whom only wakes up at night time, and
Speaker 2: Natalie has been kidnapped in as Occult, So Misty really
Speaker 2: wants to find out what's going on, and she's teaming
Speaker 2: up with Walter to go on the second road trip
Speaker 2: this episode so that she can find out where nat
Speaker 2: is and follow the Purple people to Will what we
Speaker 2: know is Lotty's compound, but she is still trying to
Speaker 2: work it out. Missy's calling everyone up. Her sociopathic tendencies
Speaker 2: are coming out. She's calling everyone, She's leaving them voice notes.
Speaker 2: But Walter, who is forever positive, is like, well, it's
Speaker 2: pretty rare to have a friend who relentlessly.
Speaker 1: Has your back.
Speaker 2: He ucky, he loves that. Then he's like, why don't
Speaker 2: we put on some music? And only As is musicals,
Speaker 2: and Misty freaks out. She's like, fuck you, you are
Speaker 2: a stalker. You love the Yellow Jackets, I'm your favorite.
Speaker 2: I'm flat, but like, why are you doing this? I
Speaker 2: have no time for this. I'm out And he's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: I just love musicals. I actually don't care about Yellow Jackets.
Speaker 2: I want a crash.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think that there's something going on, obviously,
Speaker 1: and I think he doth as we said in the
Speaker 1: previous episode, I think he doth protest a little too much.
Speaker 1: That said the I'm skipping ahead a little bit. But
Speaker 1: when they that side by side Seagans where we see
Speaker 1: Misty and Walter kind of both going through their same
Speaker 1: OCD paranoia routines of like checking their hotel room for
Speaker 1: bugs and using a black line, doing all this stuff,
Speaker 1: unscrewing the lamps. Everything led me to feel like, I
Speaker 1: think you only do that if there is something while
Speaker 1: he is hiding something. I think there is something innocent
Speaker 1: ish about what he's doing.
Speaker 2: I think he's looking for a kindred spirit. And I
Speaker 2: did believe this could just be Elijah Wood's incredible acting.
Speaker 2: He's so good in this role. But I did believe
Speaker 2: him when he said he didn't care.
Speaker 1: He was like, that was thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: He didn't even get the number right. He's like, that's
Speaker 2: irrelevant to me. I care about new crimes, and really,
Speaker 2: I just want to work with you because you're a
Speaker 2: famous true crime detective on the Reddit wards, so you know,
Speaker 2: those two they're doing that thing. Interestingly, we get this
Speaker 2: they put on, you know, a musical number, and then
Speaker 2: we jump back to the nineties, and we see Crystal
Speaker 2: and Misty singing that same song, and those two are
Speaker 2: obviously just getting incredibly close. It's very cute, it's very
Speaker 2: positive for Misty. Shanna is not feeling positive. She's accusing
Speaker 2: the crew of stealing meat. Mari's then like, well it
Speaker 2: was probably Coach Bear and Coach Ben's like, well you yeah,
Speaker 2: he was like he was like fuck you, Like what
Speaker 2: would you do about it? Like he's trying to get
Speaker 2: He's really trying to become dinner. I truly believe it.
Speaker 1: But also like, I think he makes a great point,
Speaker 1: which is like what am I gonna hobble out to
Speaker 1: the meat? Did that is to carry the meat? Like
Speaker 1: I'm on crutches, I have I have one leg. How
Speaker 1: am I gonna carry the meat back? Like? How am
Speaker 1: I gonna do all that?
Speaker 2: He makes that good point, but then he does follow
Speaker 2: up by saying like what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Eat me? I mean, it's a it's a pressing concern.
Speaker 1: And I did I do wonder if they won't eat him? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna eat him.
Speaker 1: He's he's on my if I was if I was
Speaker 1: doing a ranking.
Speaker 2: List of most likely to be snacked on in yellow jackets.
Speaker 2: He would be number one. Nat tries to cool it
Speaker 2: down and sort of says, look, I'm I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to help everyone survive. Marie turns on that and is like,
Speaker 2: you are the reason this is all a problem because
Speaker 2: you won't drink a lot He's blood. You won't let
Speaker 2: her bless you, And that says, very pointedly and very truthfully,
Speaker 2: like me and Travis are the only one who actually
Speaker 2: do any hunting. Yes, everything that's happened with Lott is
Speaker 2: just a coincidence. They don't believe it. And in one
Speaker 2: of the stupidest choices in the situation, but one of
Speaker 2: the smartest and most realistic teenage narrative choices they make
Speaker 2: in this they decide that they're going to do a
Speaker 2: game where NAT's gonna go out and hunt. Lotty's gonna
Speaker 2: go out without a gun.
Speaker 1: It she doesn't need it.
Speaker 2: And it's a very interesting setup because we kind of
Speaker 2: see how Lotty is almost she is not the leader
Speaker 2: that we kind of thought she was. She's almost unintentionally
Speaker 2: being pushed into this position because of these visions that
Speaker 2: she's had, because of these things that she's seen and
Speaker 2: the girls are putting her on this pedestal, and not
Speaker 2: only that, but they're not giving her equal footing, so
Speaker 2: she heads off. Nat has a gun and Lottie has
Speaker 2: nothing other than you know, blood magic.
Speaker 1: If I was Nat, I would be like, am I
Speaker 1: going insane? Mm hmm. We're the ones who go out
Speaker 1: with the gun and shoot the thing and come back.
Speaker 1: Lottie is just sitting here. Even though it would be
Speaker 1: so pissed, I would be so mad. I'd be like,
Speaker 1: you guys are fucking insane. You do it, then you
Speaker 1: go fucking you go get that rest. Why don't you
Speaker 1: have Lottie bless you? And then you go out and
Speaker 1: find some meat. Then, if she may, it so easy,
Speaker 1: it's all about Lotti.
Speaker 2: She's like, look, you all just sitting here on your
Speaker 2: asses all day doing nothing and me and Travis are
Speaker 2: out there hunting. Like it's ridiculous. I will say very
Speaker 2: interesting because we kind of see NAT's logical team gaining
Speaker 2: a little bit of ground as the episode goes on,
Speaker 2: and it feels like, oh, maybe they're getting back to reality,
Speaker 2: and then we get this kind of Bonker's final five
Speaker 2: minutes that totally turns things upside down. So Natalie and
Speaker 2: her new friend Lisa are off on another road trip.
Speaker 2: The head enough to sell some honey that the cult makes.
Speaker 2: Remember from those bloody bee hives what he thought that
Speaker 2: she or her bees were learned. And we heard a
Speaker 2: spooky voice that said he wants blood in French. Very
Speaker 2: scary stuff. No blood in this honey, but they're going
Speaker 2: off to send it. But it's very interesting because Natalie,
Speaker 2: the rebel that she is, she really wants to help
Speaker 2: Lisa and she's trying to scope out whether or not
Speaker 2: there is something dodgy going on here. Lisa claims there's
Speaker 2: not rules and you can do whatever you want. But
Speaker 2: when Lisa goes with other members of the wellness community,
Speaker 2: she's not allowed to see her family. Sounds like a
Speaker 2: cult to me.
Speaker 1: So exciting, very explicitly like a cult.
Speaker 2: It's explicitly like colts. So Nat says, we're going to
Speaker 2: see your mom. They go see the mum, and Lisa
Speaker 2: claims it's because she wants to see her fish, who's
Speaker 2: called the fourteenth Gillie, and he's very cute. But there's
Speaker 2: clearly some underlying issues here and Natalie can't help but
Speaker 2: get a little bit involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the mom sucks.
Speaker 2: Quite the mom sucks.
Speaker 1: The mom sucks really sucks.
Speaker 2: And I think they do a great twist because when
Speaker 2: you go there, she seems to be supportive, but as
Speaker 2: the conversation goes on, she starts doing some really explicitly
Speaker 2: horrible things, especially for people who have mental health issues.
Speaker 2: While Lottie told Nat and Lisa, I can't come with you,
Speaker 2: I've got to go to the bank, she's actually at
Speaker 2: the psychiatrist asking to up her meds because she doesn't
Speaker 2: want to have the visions, which I think is very telling.
Speaker 1: Yes, it proves.
Speaker 2: That whatever is going on with her wellness community, at
Speaker 2: least as far as we know and as she seems
Speaker 2: to know, unless she has a nighttime lotty type situation
Speaker 2: going on, the visions are not involved in the cult.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want them.
Speaker 2: She wants them to go away, and she's willing to
Speaker 2: up her meds to do so. Her normal psychiatrist is
Speaker 2: not there. I think if you want to play into that,
Speaker 2: is there a bigger cult situation going on that other
Speaker 2: people are controlling. You could make a lot of argument
Speaker 2: for this, but I like her new doctor. Her new
Speaker 2: doctor has an idea. She says what might if you
Speaker 2: just stop trying to repress these visions, yes, and actually
Speaker 2: ask what they might be telling you.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is actual therapy.
Speaker 2: Maybe the fact that you've been institutionalized since you were
Speaker 2: a kid, since this really traumatic thing happened with you,
Speaker 2: and they've drugged you to stop you thinking about this.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should have a conversation about what the visions
Speaker 2: are and what's going on before we up your dosage,
Speaker 2: and lots like, well, what could they tell me? They're
Speaker 2: not real? And I think that's a really interesting moment.
Speaker 1: That was the moment where I realized that they've done
Speaker 1: something very interesting, which is set up Lottie to be
Speaker 1: a lot more ominous figure and then subverted that and
Speaker 1: let you know that whatever is going Lottie is a
Speaker 1: victim of it as well a passenger to it. She
Speaker 1: is at some point in the past come to the
Speaker 1: realization that her visions, perhaps because there's too troubling or
Speaker 1: too violent or whatever, are not messages, are not prophecies,
Speaker 1: are not real, and she just really just wants them
Speaker 1: at this point to stop, but has also somehow managed
Speaker 1: to kind of parley the mystique around them. Yeah to
Speaker 1: having it. I mean I'll just still I'm still calling
Speaker 1: it a cult and to be able to kind of
Speaker 1: like attract people to her and form this cult like organization.
Speaker 2: And you're right, she definitely is using the notoriety of
Speaker 2: what happened. I mean, she has bees, they make honey,
Speaker 2: yeah people. The fact that Natalie knows her. We haven't
Speaker 2: had anyone who's explicitly asked not about their past, but
Speaker 2: the fact that Nat knows her makes her notorious in
Speaker 2: the group. Like there's almost a celebrity to it. And
Speaker 2: I doubt that there's anyone there who doesn't know what
Speaker 2: Lottie went through.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a really good read.
Speaker 2: It's like she's someone who's been in a shit situation
Speaker 2: who's kind of parlayed it into stability.
Speaker 1: And success and wealth.
Speaker 2: But is it at the cost of other people in
Speaker 2: this kind of dangerous cult set up.
Speaker 1: X Ray Vision will be back and We're back.
Speaker 2: Shanna, Shanna, Shanna, this.
Speaker 1: Is this, this moment is listen. I'm all for telling
Speaker 1: the truth. I'm all for telling your family members what's
Speaker 1: going on with you and letting them in and letting
Speaker 1: them into your anxieties, and but this choice that Shawna
Speaker 1: makes you could not get this out of me by waterboarding.
Speaker 2: There's no way anything doesn't torture never gonna happen. No,
Speaker 2: Shawna after a great kind of suburban mum interaction that
Speaker 2: I think most of our parents probably had, where she
Speaker 2: thanks the friend of Callie's you know, the parent of
Speaker 2: Callie's friend, and she says, oh, thanks for having CALLI over.
Speaker 2: I should start paying you because she's there so much.
Speaker 2: And the friend's mom says, oh, no, Cally hasn't been there,
Speaker 2: and it all starts to click into place Callie's lying
Speaker 2: to Shanna. Shawna decides she's gonna investigate Callie's room. Kelly
Speaker 2: is truly her mum's daughter because she just left Adam's
Speaker 2: burnt license in her dresser, not hidden, not worried about it,
Speaker 2: and in a truly extreme Shorana moment that I loved
Speaker 2: because I really did not like bless Melanie Linsky, I
Speaker 2: did not know which route she was gonna go here,
Speaker 2: Shauna just picks up her daughter, drives her into a
Speaker 2: fucking cornfield like she's going to do a mob hit
Speaker 2: on her. But then, as you alluded to, confesses everything
Speaker 2: and tell.
Speaker 1: Us good fesssn't murder to her who is actively speaking
Speaker 1: to the police right now, Like.
Speaker 2: Literally, she is dating and texting a cop who is
Speaker 2: still pretending not to be a cop, which I think
Speaker 2: probably makes most of this inadmissible, but there's probably some
Speaker 2: kind of blurry lines there. But also you have to
Speaker 2: tell me.
Speaker 1: That's the rule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you a cop, you have to tell me
Speaker 2: why didn't Kelly ask him? But like Callie, at what
Speaker 2: point has she ever proven to you that she is loyal,
Speaker 2: has solidarity, or any sense of smarts. I like, what
Speaker 2: made you do this?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what Mayner do this? It is that
Speaker 1: thing that we talked about in a previous episode, which
Speaker 1: is that Shauna her the driving yes force of her personality,
Speaker 1: is that she wants to destroy her life. She absolutely
Speaker 1: thought of you when I watched this. She doesn't like
Speaker 1: what her life is, She's bored by it, she finds
Speaker 1: it unexciting. She wants something else, she wants something more dangerous,
Speaker 1: and she will actively work against her own interest to
Speaker 1: destroy her life bit by bit, and so here she's
Speaker 1: doing it in Yeah, you know, we do blow up
Speaker 1: my life. It's a new It's just like another risk
Speaker 1: to take here's an So I've already committed a murder
Speaker 1: and I've covered it up and then I uh, and
Speaker 1: then I went and destroyed evidence kind of not really.
Speaker 1: And also while I was there destroying evidence, I had
Speaker 1: sex with my husband there, leaving certainly more trace evidence
Speaker 1: than any medical examiner could find. And now, because that's
Speaker 1: not enough risk to fully destroy my life because now
Speaker 1: my husband and I are kind of getting along. Now,
Speaker 1: what I need to do now is confess to my daughter,
Speaker 1: who is actively in a relationship with a cop, that
Speaker 1: I killed a guy that they're looking for that they're
Speaker 1: trying to solve his murder. Shawna, don't do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it makes sense in this most in a demented way,
Speaker 1: but it's also like so crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also like it shows how to connected Seawana is from
Speaker 2: reality at this point because she just tries to play
Speaker 2: it off so casual. Kelly is just like freaking, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did it.
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 2: And Kelly's like, what the fuck you murdered someone? And
Speaker 2: she is like well yeah, and she's like I knew
Speaker 2: dad didn't have anything to do with this, and she's like, well,
Speaker 2: your dad was the blackmail off and he's kind of
Speaker 2: the reason this happened, and as Jeff will rightfully point
Speaker 2: out later, you just made your daughter a murder accomplice.
Speaker 1: So good job suburban psychopaths, those two.
Speaker 2: So, speaking of people with sociopathic tendencies, Mistery and Walter
Speaker 2: make it. He has some useful info from a diner
Speaker 2: worker who tells him that the cult do not tip
Speaker 2: well boo, because they have.
Speaker 1: A lot of money.
Speaker 2: They have a lot of money, she tells them, while
Speaker 2: they sell honey a farmer's market, you can head over there.
Speaker 2: And then what I like to call a very Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones moment, they go to the farmer's market and
Speaker 2: you're like, Wow, she's gonna find Natalie. But obviously Natalie
Speaker 2: and Lisa I never made it, and you're sort.
Speaker 1: Of like, oh no, why would that happen?
Speaker 2: Sorry to Misty, she's very upset in the wilderness. Things
Speaker 2: are going badly. Maray is hearing her Lady Macbeth dripping
Speaker 2: Lotty decides the only way she can find some meat
Speaker 2: is to commit blood magic, cutting open her hand. Nat
Speaker 2: actually finds that giant white moose in a lake. Is
Speaker 2: it the moose from last episode that was maybe not real?
Speaker 1: Is real? Was a ghost of this moose? Yeah, something
Speaker 1: like unclear.
Speaker 2: There's a big stag and Lottie ends up becoming completely disoriented,
Speaker 2: stumbles across and this is a big shock. The Lost
Speaker 2: fans out there were surely screaming when this occurred.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was very This felt like they know that.
Speaker 1: I think they're cheek.
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to traw people, like a lot
Speaker 2: of people in our discord, like in a friendly way,
Speaker 2: a lot of people in our disc God, it's seen
Speaker 2: this on the What's coming next, and they kind of
Speaker 2: felt like it was going to be that lost moment.
Speaker 2: So she finds Laura Lee's plane, the plane that we
Speaker 2: saw get destroyed in season one that exploded over the lake.
Speaker 2: It is not destroyed, and inside is a teddy Bear.
Speaker 2: And not only that, but under the teddy Bear's seat
Speaker 2: is a tunnel that leads into the ground, and that
Speaker 2: tunnel leads to an elevator, and Lottie comes out of
Speaker 2: the elevator into a nineties mall where her teammates are
Speaker 2: eating in a food court and a Florence in the
Speaker 2: machine cover of the No Return theme song is playing
Speaker 2: eerily weird vibes I mean more and more.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this is some sort of multiverse thing crossed
Speaker 1: with the final destination thing, the Final Yeah, certainly Lottie's
Speaker 1: final scene in the present and makes me feel like
Speaker 1: they stole from death or something like that, and now
Speaker 1: they're and everything that's happening is because they owe some
Speaker 1: kind of cosmic debt to something.
Speaker 2: I think that we get a lot of hints this
Speaker 2: time that either there's some kind of multiversal situation or
Speaker 2: some kind of timey whimy two universes string theory existing
Speaker 2: at the same time. The kids in the nineties and
Speaker 2: the adults now are all living in the same time
Speaker 2: but separated by like a veil. It's all very interesting
Speaker 2: and another unique discovery. I will say this is a
Speaker 2: good classic horror trope. Here Van maps out all the
Speaker 2: creepy symbol trees that Ty has been visiting late at
Speaker 2: night and shot horror. If you connect them, they make
Speaker 2: the creepy cult symbol of it. It's so good, it's
Speaker 2: so pleasing, it's so enjoyable, it's so silly, and time
Speaker 2: makes a very good point. You know, this is something
Speaker 2: that's been used in history and horror are in you know,
Speaker 2: Alan Moore's from hell. They have something along these lines,
Speaker 2: and time makes a good point. You could just connect
Speaker 2: them in any shape, right, It doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: that way, does there You be that shape? I guess
Speaker 2: to and Van's argument is, well, this is the order
Speaker 2: you found them, so there's some kind of order there.
Speaker 2: But I'm on Tie's side with this.
Speaker 1: I am as well.
Speaker 2: Van Van says, Look, if I'm right and these trees
Speaker 2: mean something, there will be another tree in this specific
Speaker 2: location and we'll be able to find it. It will have
Speaker 2: the symbol, and that will prove that this is something
Speaker 2: rather than nothing. Back in the present day, Nat in
Speaker 2: a moment, I just this endeared me to her so much.
Speaker 2: Nat has had enough of Lisa's shitty mum. Lisa's shitty
Speaker 2: mom crosses the line and basically Lisa's history of suicidal
Speaker 2: ideation and her mom starts describing very viscerally a way
Speaker 2: that Lisa could kill herself.
Speaker 1: It's like one of the worst.
Speaker 2: Things you can do.
Speaker 1: It's really really just horrible, really.
Speaker 2: Truly extremely fucked up and dangerous, and Nat just totally
Speaker 2: freaks out, yells at Lisa's mom, gets Lisa out of
Speaker 2: the house and very sweet moment and classic weird Juliette
Speaker 2: lewis Nat energy here steals Lisa's goldfish, the fourteenth Gillie,
Speaker 2: by just putting it in her mouth in a mouthful
Speaker 2: of water and then spits it out into a water
Speaker 2: cup and is like, here you go. And their bond
Speaker 2: here is kind of cemented. This is now a two
Speaker 2: way friendship. This is someone. This is Nat showing Lisa
Speaker 2: that she cares about her too. And then we get
Speaker 2: to and this was you. You mentioned this moment already.
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite moments in the series. It's
Speaker 2: so well done, it's so fun. It leans so much
Speaker 2: into what's great about Misty. We get this great side
Speaker 2: by side montage of Misty and Walter, you know, booking
Speaker 2: themselves into this B and B. Walter wants them to.
Speaker 1: Share a room.
Speaker 2: Misty says no, and then we basically see that they're
Speaker 2: sort of their two peas in a pod. Yes, they
Speaker 2: don't know it, they're separated by a wall, but we
Speaker 2: see them. They both look for listening devices all over
Speaker 2: the room they cover. They put the remote control in
Speaker 2: a little plastic ziploc bag that they carry with them
Speaker 2: everything they do.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 2: They are kindred spirits and they can almost sense it.
Speaker 2: As they go to bed, they sort of can't really
Speaker 2: get comfortable because they can almost feel this closeness between them.
Speaker 2: It's very sweet and I truly am rooting for this
Speaker 2: weirdo couple. Misty deserves some love. She's always been single.
Speaker 2: It's time. Maybe Walter is the guy we'll see in
Speaker 2: the mystery Mall, Lottie is freaking out. She's sitting at
Speaker 2: the table and her friends are kind of ragging on her,
Speaker 2: and she wants to eat the food, but she's also
Speaker 2: really cold, and she's starting to realize that the mall
Speaker 2: is not real. Sorry to the Lost fans, it's a hallucination.
Speaker 2: And of course she's actually freezing in the middle the forest,
Speaker 2: and the friends are just figments of her imagination, trying
Speaker 2: to help her keep safe. And it seems like Lottie
Speaker 2: may finally have lost her hold on the group because
Speaker 2: Nat has enlisted the rest of the survivors to go
Speaker 2: and get the frozen moose out of the lake. But
Speaker 2: and I will say this, I knew as this was
Speaker 2: gonna happen. They did not cut a big enough hole
Speaker 2: for that moose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a moose. I'm watching this and what
Speaker 1: is a moose weigh two thousand pounds?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How heavy? Is? There is no way like eight young people,
Speaker 1: starving people standing on ice, I'm gonna fucking draw the
Speaker 1: moose out of the water.
Speaker 2: No way. What they had, what they should have done. Look,
Speaker 2: water is like flotation. If they'd have cut around the
Speaker 2: whole moose, maybe the moose would have rose risen a
Speaker 2: little bit. Instead, they tie a thing around its neck.
Speaker 2: They try and pull out of this tiny hole, low
Speaker 2: and behold. Sorry to that those survivors. The moose is gone,
Speaker 2: floats down into the depth. Was the moose even real?
Speaker 1: This is still I think it was. I think it
Speaker 1: was real. Yeah, here's what I say.
Speaker 2: You do.
Speaker 1: You tie the rope around the moose's neck. You tie
Speaker 1: the other end to a tree. Now you cut the hole. Okay, smart,
Speaker 1: Now you cut the hole because the ice would the
Speaker 1: ice was saying that was keeping it up. So you
Speaker 1: just try and slowly pull it up as much as
Speaker 1: you can, retying on the tree so that at least
Speaker 1: there's an anchor and you're not there holding on to
Speaker 1: the other end of a two ton animal that's drag
Speaker 1: you into the water. Yeah, that's a good point, and
Speaker 1: it is. Truly, this is one of those moments where
Speaker 1: you just know.
Speaker 2: It's like a game changer moment because if they'd have
Speaker 2: actually got that moose, as Nap points out, there was probably.
Speaker 1: Enough meat to keep them going till spring.
Speaker 2: Yes, now they don't have that, we know what meat
Speaker 2: they're going to turn to more than likely, Yes, And
Speaker 2: it's just bad times.
Speaker 1: Shanna.
Speaker 2: She's continuing the Jason trademarked blowing up her life by
Speaker 2: telling Jeff that she told Kelly about Adam. But the
Speaker 2: best thing is she dude, She's just like, I think
Speaker 2: we're all going to be fine.
Speaker 1: And he's like, what do you mean for all of us?
Speaker 1: She's like, what do you mean all of us?
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, I told Cally that we that
Speaker 2: we you know, I killed Adam and we covered it up.
Speaker 2: And he's like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: He's like, as.
Speaker 2: Parents, we're meant to just like not fuck up our kids.
Speaker 2: We're supposed to throw ourselves in the way of danger,
Speaker 2: and Sauna, you're right radical. Honestly, She's like, I'm sick
Speaker 2: of lying to everyone. I don't I'm lying to every
Speaker 2: single person in my day to day life. I don't
Speaker 2: want to lie to my door.
Speaker 1: Well, what about the cops? Everybody like radical honesty for
Speaker 1: everybody except the polic cops.
Speaker 2: And hilariously, I don't know if she's playing a game.
Speaker 2: I don't know if she's endeared by the fact that
Speaker 2: her mum kind of alluded to the horrors of the
Speaker 2: forest and how much it affected her.
Speaker 1: But Kelly shows up, yeah.
Speaker 2: And Jeff's like, oh, aren't you going to your friend's
Speaker 2: house tonight? And she was like, oh, well, she haven't.
Speaker 2: She's being honest. She's like, I haven't been staying at
Speaker 2: my friend's house. I've been going to the park. I'm
Speaker 2: surely bad places to do, but going to the park
Speaker 2: and hanging out with a boy, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: do that anymore. So like, how can I help you?
Speaker 2: And suddenly they're playing happy families Because these three are
Speaker 2: the most fucked up people in the show. I truly
Speaker 2: believe that, like the way they can just be in denial,
Speaker 2: it's just they are just on it and they are.
Speaker 1: Playing happy families. Good for them.
Speaker 2: As we mentioned, you know, the moose in the Wilderness
Speaker 2: did not come to the fruit did not come to
Speaker 2: fruition in the way that Natalie had hoped. She sort
Speaker 2: of ended up freezing in the water. She's in their
Speaker 2: very luxurious spa. It's just is a timbath and I
Speaker 2: guess they're heating water from the snow on the fire.
Speaker 2: It seems like it would take them a long time
Speaker 2: to fill that up. I have had to fill up
Speaker 2: a bath with boiling water. But you know, they did it.
Speaker 2: They committed, and everyone is feeling down, but also I
Speaker 2: feel like a little bit grounded. It seems like Team
Speaker 2: Logic has a little bit more argument on its side.
Speaker 2: Now there really was meat. Natalie almost caught it, whereas
Speaker 2: Lotti doesn't have anything. Lot Oh, Mari and Nikia come
Speaker 2: back and they have Lotti. Lotti doesn't have any food.
Speaker 2: Lotti does have hypothermia. And Nat is like, you know what,
Speaker 2: get get into this tub and we're gonna bond. We're
Speaker 2: gonna kind of fake shit talk each other.
Speaker 1: And while we.
Speaker 2: Didn't get any meat, at least we are now kind
Speaker 2: of on better terms and things seem to be going okay.
Speaker 1: One thing that I think this is a wonderful It's
Speaker 1: a wonderful gesture and of course, like this is obviously
Speaker 1: Lotti is in real treacherous straits, you know. But I
Speaker 1: I when Natalie said this is my fault, I completely disagree.
Speaker 2: I would disagree.
Speaker 1: It's fucking not. It's everybody else who is suggesting that
Speaker 1: Lotti is somehow actually like actively getting every food when
Speaker 1: she doesn't ever leave, And it's not necessarily Lottie's fault.
Speaker 1: But she also could have stood up and been like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's big hand for Nat who is gone out there
Speaker 1: in the cold every day to go get us fucking food.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she could have also just said something along the
Speaker 2: lines of like, you know what, the reason that Nat
Speaker 2: and Travis haven't gotten enough food at the moment is
Speaker 2: because it's winter. But I think if we all come together,
Speaker 2: we can like do we each have a part to play,
Speaker 2: and she can keep making them the blood tea. She
Speaker 2: didn't have to go along with the game. I agree
Speaker 2: with you. I do not believe that it's Natalie's fault. Also,
Speaker 2: Natalie was happy for them to split the gun or
Speaker 2: to flick the coin and you know, have Lotti perhaps
Speaker 2: have the gun. But yeah, I disagree, it is not
Speaker 2: Natalie's fault. Natalie is truly one of the realist and
Speaker 2: smartest people left in that forest.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Lotti is definitely in a bit of like a disassociative state.
Speaker 2: I think at that point where she's just letting things
Speaker 2: happen to her, and she is re entering that place.
Speaker 2: I feel like in the present, she's going through affirmation cards.
Speaker 1: I suppose that people.
Speaker 2: Have written from the wellness group, and she starts to
Speaker 2: see ominous cards that say things like I'm grateful for
Speaker 2: my friends, and then she sees a Queen of Hearts
Speaker 2: playing card and is yeah, with the eyes crossed out.
Speaker 2: It's very creepy, very horror and she decides she's gonna
Speaker 2: get her trusty knife that by the way, she could
Speaker 2: have taken a knife into that forest, just saying in
Speaker 2: the nineties, but.
Speaker 1: She gets her adult knife.
Speaker 2: She goes back to the blood Magic Ways and she
Speaker 2: cuts her hand over a strange stump that looks very
Speaker 2: similar to the stump that everyone is obsessed with in
Speaker 2: the nineties, the warm stump. Now, this I think is
Speaker 2: our biggest multiversal slash timey whimy like weird string theory
Speaker 2: esque hint, because she cuts her hand open and leads
Speaker 2: onto the stump, and she says something along the lines
Speaker 2: of like kill us just enough, which I think, like
Speaker 2: you said, it alludes to this final destination esque theory,
Speaker 2: and as she does, it tie in Van find the
Speaker 2: stump in the past. And obviously that's just good editing, probably,
Speaker 2: but it feels like there's something important there, like the
Speaker 2: magic that Lottie's doing in the future is actually affecting
Speaker 2: things in the past rather than in the present day.
Speaker 2: And that becomes even more of an intriguing theory when
Speaker 2: they see someone running through the woods immediately after discovering
Speaker 2: the weird melting snow stump, and they chase him down
Speaker 2: and in a shocking twist that will surely upend everything,
Speaker 2: they find that the mysterious wintery figure is none other
Speaker 2: than Harvey.
Speaker 1: Dun Dun Du. He's alive. He's alive. How did he
Speaker 1: stay alive?
Speaker 2: This is the question going forward two months.
Speaker 1: Well, at least I think he must be. It's got
Speaker 1: to be some multiversal thing and he is in that
Speaker 1: pocket dimension, that place or something, and I like whether
Speaker 1: it was the blood that called him out or whatever,
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that makes sense, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a hatch, there's a real hatch or the
Speaker 2: because they covered a lot of ground, they really searched
Speaker 2: for him, and so no surprises. They take Calvey back
Speaker 2: and Team Sumnatura is just going absolutely wild. Nat can't
Speaker 2: believe it.
Speaker 1: She is fucked because I think you can. I mean,
Speaker 1: they well, I did find the pants, and I thought
Speaker 1: that that's.
Speaker 2: What it was. I would agree that that is the
Speaker 2: route she should take. But as some eagle eyed X
Speaker 2: ray vision listeners pointed out, she did technically fake Harvey's
Speaker 2: death with a with a pair of bloody shorts that
Speaker 2: she planted in the woods because she wanted Travis to
Speaker 2: get over it, but still spend all his time.
Speaker 1: She could still say.
Speaker 2: Someone shorts out here, so like, yeah, that's how I
Speaker 2: think that's the way she should play it. Not looking
Speaker 2: good for her, but Lotti obviously she is also now
Speaker 2: fucked because Mari and everyone else starts going oh, Lotti
Speaker 2: was right. She said Harvey was alive, It's happening, and
Speaker 2: Van she cannot keep her excitement under wraps anymore. She
Speaker 2: promised Ty that the two of them would kind of
Speaker 2: keep Tie's connection and sleepwalking to themselves. But she bursts
Speaker 2: out and she says well a lot. He knew he
Speaker 2: was alive, but thy knew where to find him. Tye
Speaker 2: was the one who took us there. Who has this
Speaker 2: connection to the forest, and we're going to work out
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 1: Dun da dud, dun dun dud.
Speaker 2: And that is not the only shocking return because ty
Speaker 2: in the present day, after hitchhiking very dangerously across Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: with a trucker who she buys a wonderful naked woman
Speaker 2: pen from, she gets there safely. Good for her because honestly,
Speaker 2: I think getting into he's one of hers. Yeah, you know, good,
Speaker 2: good for him. He voted for her.
Speaker 1: So she survives.
Speaker 2: That's huge, and she ends up in a small town.
Speaker 2: She gets out of the car. She heads towards a
Speaker 2: VHS video store with a Pride flag outside.
Speaker 1: I knew you had to. You see the Pride flag,
Speaker 1: You see the cool viages.
Speaker 2: You go inside and there's a beautiful ginger woman wearing
Speaker 2: flannel played by Lauren Ambrose. It's adult man, she's it's happening,
Speaker 2: and she's standing in front of a board with different
Speaker 2: tapes that she recommends, all of which are absolutely just and.
Speaker 1: Really great movies.
Speaker 2: And also definite allusions to the things that we see
Speaker 2: happen in Yellow Jackets and the kind of first season.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the amoral lesbian that back. Hopefully Van can
Speaker 2: help tie. We're going to be very close to that
Speaker 2: halfway mark. Next week is the halfway mark of this season,
Speaker 2: and we still have absolutely no idea what's going on.
Speaker 2: But it's a joy. It's a joy.
Speaker 1: Uh, it is really a joy. Yeah. I start I
Speaker 1: think more and more that you're kind of right about
Speaker 1: the present affecting somehow the past.
Speaker 2: Some kind of loop over rules, like there's some kind
Speaker 2: of time travels connected.
Speaker 1: There, Like there's something like that occurring where this show
Speaker 1: we I don't know necessarily how it would work yet,
Speaker 1: but what if, you know, we think this show is
Speaker 1: being edited together cut, we're cutting backward, we're coming back
Speaker 1: to the present, we're flashing back. But what if, like
Speaker 1: some how this is linear, somehow this is happening linearly.
Speaker 2: I wonder that too, if we're gonna go if we're
Speaker 2: imagining hypothetically tim foiling it going full lost, there is
Speaker 2: a version where everything they're experiencing is actually happening at
Speaker 2: the same time, where they're either experiencing a vision of
Speaker 2: what their future could be. They're in some kind of
Speaker 2: strange space, you know, we've talked about I think in
Speaker 2: the discord are the idea that you floated about some
Speaker 2: kind of nuclear army base is very popular. There could
Speaker 2: always be some kind of hell mouth element to that
Speaker 2: or something stranger things, you know, where you have a
Speaker 2: creature or a space where timelines blur. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: very interesting. I am still just blown away by how
Speaker 2: intriguing they've kept the mystery. Yeah, but also how long
Speaker 2: can you keep it going a question?
Speaker 1: I do think that this back half of the season
Speaker 1: is you know, to use Lost again as a kind
Speaker 1: of model they made. Now, those were different television watching times, right,
Speaker 1: just a different TV watching culture at the time, but
Speaker 1: they got to think about as far as you could
Speaker 1: go without any kind of concrete here's what's going on.
Speaker 1: And I do think the back half of this season
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to start to really understand what's going
Speaker 1: on or else the only way to avoid them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the only way to kind of avoid that is shit
Speaker 1: gets way crazier. And I think that that's also a possibility,
Speaker 1: is that shit just gets way crazy. But I think
Speaker 1: now with Lauren Ambrose here, adult Van here. It feels
Speaker 1: like there's some momentum now to start letting us in
Speaker 1: on what the fuck is happening.
Speaker 2: And we have basically our core cost now existing as
Speaker 2: both adults and young people for the first time. So
Speaker 2: how that all comes together is going to be really
Speaker 2: exciting to see.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't wait up next nerd out.
Speaker 2: In Today's not Out, Why you tell us what you
Speaker 2: love and why? Or a theory that you're excited to share.
Speaker 2: Cornelia shas a very airye and I think very likely
Speaker 2: yellow jackets theory.
Speaker 1: Wow, this is crazy. Hey Rosie, Hey Jason, long time,
Speaker 1: first time. I had a thought, what if Shawna's wilderness
Speaker 1: baby daddy isn't Jeff Done but the creepy wilderness spirit
Speaker 1: slash man with no eyes slash dead hunter guy. What
Speaker 1: if the reason Shawna's baby isn't a thing or even
Speaker 1: reference to the president is because it was a creepy
Speaker 1: Melissandra's style smoke baby or something. Then the quote he
Speaker 1: inside of Shawna wanting blood, etc. It makes more sense.
Speaker 1: Love you guys, have a great day. I you know
Speaker 1: there might be something to this. I think so.
Speaker 2: I think we're getting to the point now where the
Speaker 2: baby and the fate of the baby is going to
Speaker 2: be a huge touch point for whatever goes forward. And
Speaker 2: I think if we're talking about strange, spiritual, ghostly situations
Speaker 2: that we are now seeing alluded to as if they
Speaker 2: are really happening rather than just visions, I would absolutely
Speaker 2: see this as a theory. And I think I like
Speaker 2: the specific idea of the kind of Melissandra smoke Baby.
Speaker 2: I think that kind of horror trope of like, oh,
Speaker 2: the baby is disfigured, or the baby is you know,
Speaker 2: something wrong with it. It can go quite it can
Speaker 2: become quite ablest or like weird, and this.
Speaker 1: Show's very thoughtful.
Speaker 2: So I think the smoke Baby scary kind of notion
Speaker 2: of the baby almost not existing and only being able
Speaker 2: to exist in the forest because Shawna really only knew
Speaker 2: she was pregnant in the forest when she missed her
Speaker 2: period when everyone else is sink. So I think there's
Speaker 2: something very interesting here, especially because I think the two
Speaker 2: most likely scenarios are something like this, or they eat
Speaker 2: the baby, and now they're really going to eat the baby.
Speaker 2: That's like the big question I have.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to leave you with this theory that
Speaker 1: feels too hackey and obvious. But is it Jacob's Ladder?
Speaker 1: What if they're dead? I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: very likely. I think it's.
Speaker 2: Very likely purgatory lost. I still think that they might
Speaker 2: be trying to do that ultimate impossible to do trope.
Speaker 2: I think it's likely. In the breakdown of the credits
Speaker 2: that I did at IGN that we spoke about here,
Speaker 2: when you pause it, there is one scene, one flash
Speaker 2: of the plane completely burnt out with van Or burnt
Speaker 2: up on the plane, and I still I still think
Speaker 2: I don't think that's crazy.
Speaker 1: For those of you who haven't seen it, who want
Speaker 1: to watch a really freaky psychological horror Jacobs Ladder. Nice
Speaker 1: Thanks Cornelius. If you have theories or passions you want
Speaker 1: to share, hit us up at x ray at cricket
Speaker 1: dot com instructions or in the show notes. Well that's
Speaker 1: it for us, Rosie. What have you two? Plug plug plug,
Speaker 1: blug plug plug plut plug. I'm covering yellowjackets at IGN.
Speaker 2: If you want to read all these kinds of theories
Speaker 2: and thoughts that we have here, but in an even
Speaker 2: deeper textual way, you can find me Rosie marks at
Speaker 2: Instagram and letterbox. I think I should hopefully have something
Speaker 2: very exciting to announce soon Fingers crossed and yeah here
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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show
Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin. The show
Speaker 1: is executive produced by myself and Sandy Rhard are editing
Speaker 1: and sound design. Who's Five Facillis Phatopoulos, Dilon Villanueva and
Speaker 1: Matt de Group provide video production support. Alex Rella for
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Speaker 1: See you next time, folks. Bye,