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Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast contains spoilers for season four episode four

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Speaker 1: of Succession on HBO aka Max plus, season two episode

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Speaker 1: four of Yellow Jackets on the beleaguered Showtime Network. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jason Concepcio and on Rosay Night, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to x Ray Vision of the Crooked Media podcast

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Speaker 1: where we dive deep. It's your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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Speaker 1: and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, Market Moves Baby, and the Market's moving

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Speaker 2: Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding sells Elsell, Bye Bye Bye, Kendall.

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Speaker 2: The killer is back. It's all going down. Succession, season four,

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Speaker 2: episode four. In the Airlock, stepping into that icy wilderness

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Speaker 2: for Yellow Jackets season two, episode four, shocking things are occurring,

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Speaker 2: as always add in nerd out a Yellowjacket's theory from

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Speaker 2: listener Cornelius.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you love to hear it up.

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Speaker 3: Next, Market Moves, and so we've come to the end

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Speaker 3: of the load.

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Speaker 1: Cannot can't read your note? Is Ken's name crossed out?

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Speaker 1: Is it underlined? This is Market Moves. That's right, it's

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Speaker 1: Market Moves, your number one source for economic success and

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Speaker 1: coverage of Succession season four episode four, titled Honeymoon States,

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Speaker 1: directed by Loreen Scafaria, director of Hustlers and written by

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Speaker 1: Jesse Armstrong, creator of the show, and Lucy Prebble. We

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Speaker 1: open Rosie on the day after Logan's death due to

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Speaker 1: pulmonary embolism suffered whilst fishing his iPhone out of an

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Speaker 1: air plane toilet, which means it is now classy. What

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Speaker 1: a classic way to go for a classic, which means

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Speaker 1: it's now time to scrabble over the skeletal remains of

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Speaker 1: his empire and sow up his outstanding affairs. The kids

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Speaker 1: are dealing with this loss in different ways. Roman is fine,

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Speaker 1: just brush his teeth. Ken is quietly shattered. Shiv, we learn,

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Speaker 1: is pregnant and which is unrelated okay to what is

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Speaker 1: going on in this in the current plot, but that's

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Speaker 1: obviously still a lot to deal with on top of

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Speaker 1: everything else. Prop Number one, first of all, shouts to

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Speaker 1: our good friend h Over, a co host of Dune Pod.

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Speaker 1: His partner basically called that Shiv was pregnant, so a

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Speaker 1: big we were right to h and H's partner. First

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Speaker 1: prompt it's a two parter prompt a by herself a

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Speaker 1: father of Shiv's child. Is it Tom, her current husband

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Speaker 1: soon to be ex husband. We think is it Nate,

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Speaker 1: her ex she had an ongoing affair with while she

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Speaker 1: was married to Tom. Is it the random guy she

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Speaker 1: met at the bar after Willa's disastrous Broadway play debut,

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Speaker 1: or literally anybody else could be anybody else? Remember she

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Speaker 1: pitched Tom on an open marriage on the night of

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Speaker 1: their wedding, Rosie, I ask you who is the fother?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I think is fifty to fifty Tom? That makes

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Speaker 2: some kind of IVF situation first and embryos they've had

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Speaker 2: that conversation or fifty percent that it's like a Dona

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Speaker 2: that Shiv chose because she wants to have a baby

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Speaker 2: for succession reasons and doesn't want Tom involved.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real.

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Speaker 2: Tom has been trying to climb the ladder of the

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Speaker 2: roy family. He would absolutely, He's still trying very desperately.

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Speaker 2: don't know if Shiv would want to make that choice.

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Speaker 2: But like you said, this is a lot to deal

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Speaker 1: Very interesting stuff.

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Speaker 2: I did not see this one coming, but as you said,

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Speaker 2: H and his partner absolutely did.

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Speaker 1: Roy of the blood is stirring in the womb of

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Speaker 1: the delig And here is part B of the prompt.

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Speaker 1: for is Shiv unwell? She's on that call, and on

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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell if the call she was getting was

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Speaker 2: interested to know is Shift sick? Is it something that

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of things she does during this episode

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Speaker 2: especially as I think it was. Super producer Chris was

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Speaker 1: Everyone gathers at Logan's former Manhattan Plazzo for the settling

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Speaker 1: The attendees include various Conservative luminaries, Colin Logan's body man

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Speaker 1: man who certainly looks a lot like former National Security

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Speaker 1: but certainly it's a secret. Security shows up, Sandy Elder,

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Speaker 1: Also there Marcia, Logan's well last official partner. That's the

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Speaker 2: And talking every morning. He checks every plan over. This

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Speaker 2: She very you know, conveniently reveals this secret that only

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Speaker 2: She's in a house that she owns now that Logan

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Speaker 1: She is a cold killer. She shouts to Willa for

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, Marcia manages to run carry over with

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Speaker 1: sell the palazzo to Connor for some sixty three million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Over the course of this day, two power centers emerged.

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Speaker 1: for me, will somebody please check on it?

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Speaker 2: And she's just fucked, also basically telling Roman like we

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Speaker 2: I need to find the proof. I need you Roman,

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Speaker 1: He's the one who who doesn't lie. He really is.

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Speaker 1: He's a terrible human being as they all are, but

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Speaker 2: That was the stupidest and probably most impactful decision this

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Speaker 2: episode of many stupid and impactful decisions, instead of just

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Speaker 2: letting Roman pick up the phone, Yeah, Connor el Kendall, No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: we don't need to just just let it ring out.

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Speaker 2: And then they're in this kind of hilarious farce now

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Speaker 2: which I would absolutely love because Matson is high he Oh,

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Speaker 1: Prop Number two real recognize real estate. How much of

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Speaker 1: Connor's wealth is left after buying this house? Will It

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Speaker 1: seemed a little concerned at the price tag, And recall

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Speaker 1: we have seen Connor previously the child of Logan's first wife,

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Speaker 1: play Begging for money from Logan. How much money does

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Speaker 2: I don't think he has enough money to buy the.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want. Nobody needs sixty three million for

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Speaker 2: Three.

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Speaker 1: How would you, Rosie Knight, speculating in a comic mode,

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Speaker 1: a humor is vain, suggest getting rid of important legal documents?

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Speaker 1: How would you do it in a in a funny way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I would love to have seen I'm with Cal

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Speaker 1: I think you just clean again.

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Speaker 2: He's at the end of his tether. His chill nature

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Speaker 2: it's it's going. He wants his fucking golden parachute.

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Speaker 1: He needs his money because he's buying a Greek island

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Speaker 2: And this is reliable troubles. So what I would have

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Speaker 2: loved to see. I would have loved to see him

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Speaker 2: Him and Frank just eat it.

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Speaker 1: So funny would that have been?

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Speaker 2: How good?

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Speaker 1: So Rosie, it's you and me and we're standing there

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Speaker 1: and we've got the paper. What would you say to me?

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Speaker 1: certainly don't want to do it yourself. You want me

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Speaker 2: I would actually just I'd take a little bit of

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Speaker 2: tear a little bit off of meat and like give

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Speaker 1: What about this?

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Speaker 2: And uh, and then you know it's all about the money. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just say, look, if these don't if this paper

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Speaker 2: Like Tom says it. Tom is the.

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Speaker 1: Only one who's real.

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Speaker 2: You don't want them involved. Yeah, the paper is gone.

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Speaker 1: Here's me pitch it. I would also, I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Legally you'd be exposed, like the lawsuits stemming from this

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Speaker 1: a very interesting piece of paper. Let's look at it

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Speaker 1: what if you just what if your hands just suddenly

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Speaker 1: We all know how the canyons of New York create

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Speaker 1: it just flew away? It would be it would be, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I think, a tragedy, and it would and it would

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Speaker 1: Once again, we have to say that it's undated. But

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Speaker 2: I think you're on the right track, because once it

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Speaker 2: somebody just made that the internet cafe. No one's gonna care.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 2: I also think, you know the Oh no, I put

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Speaker 1: In it, you know, burn that shit.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, It's gone basically many inventive ways. And I

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Speaker 2: what it absolutely instills.

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Speaker 1: Well, the paper is then revealed and us immediately and suits.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Ken, the kids are like, well, I

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Speaker 1: I think it does because my name is on the paper,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it to be a jerk, but

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Speaker 1: But that as Ken notes pointedly, but I think fairly

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Speaker 1: Logan was fucking his assistant. He was a piece of shit.

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Speaker 1: He covered up all the cruise, sexual assaults, all that

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Speaker 1: The kids basically sided, let's not piss on our father's

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Speaker 1: if I go to the SEC with that, or you

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Speaker 1: And he goes like, I, yes, I will prop number

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Speaker 1: four Rosie. The Ken document underlined or crossed out.

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Speaker 2: It's crossed out. I'm a full, crossed out believer. Look,

435
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: we know how Logan felt. I love this choice, and

436
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: I love what they've done with this season, which is

437
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: basically just taken us back four years, taken us.

438
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Speaker 1: Back to the beginning.

439
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: As Frank says, Logan did want Kendall to succeed him

440
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: at some point.

441
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: At certain points, some points it's happened.

442
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: It was kind of like that in the first season.

443
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: That's what we thought, That's what Kendall thought. But I

444
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 2: believe that was crossed out one hundred percent. Whoever wrote

445
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Speaker 2: that line on that paper give.

446
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: Them the awards. It's so good because it is so

447
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: well done. But yeah, I am a crossed out believer.

448
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: I think that ironically, Logan would be incredibly happy with

449
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: the way that Kendall is behaving in all of this,

450
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: and Kendall has basically become the monster that Logan always

451
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: wanted him to be.

452
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think that when Ken says

453
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Speaker 1: it's what Dad would have done, he's one right, it's

454
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: exactly what Logan would have done. And two he's also

455
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: he's also uh, you know, separating himself from the actual

456
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: decision in a way that allows him to kind of

457
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: like soothe his own guilt over this really shitty thing

458
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: that he's doing. Well, Dad would have done it, Therefore

459
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: it's okay because who can blame me because my dad

460
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: would have done the same thing. And he is right.

461
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: But again, I think that he probably feels significantly guilty

462
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: about this, And I think you're absolutely right. And I

463
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: think Ken, on a certain level, despite his bluster, probably

464
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: suspects that it was a crossout. I mean, again, we

465
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: think goes it doesn't go through the whole name, but

466
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Speaker 1: it goes through like three or four letters of the

467
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: like it kind of comes up and it yeah, like

468
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: certainly like looks like a quick crossout that that it

469
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: partially goes under the name. Now, that's why when you're

470
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: really gonna cross it out, you really just scribble and

471
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: you just go for it.

472
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Speaker 2: But I if you're gonna underline it, you start loa

473
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: so this doesn't happen.

474
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Speaker 1: But listen, I think we've seen this. We know enough

475
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: about Logan to know that though he was a very

476
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: tough guy, though he was a very you know, he

477
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: was a dictator, and when he made a decision, he

478
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: was gonna double down, triple down, quadruple down on the decision.

479
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: He also, you know, you know, very strangely, he changed

480
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: his mind a lot, and particularly about CEO. He did

481
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: want Ken to run it for a period of time,

482
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: although he didn't think Ken was necessarily tough enough and

483
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: put Ken through the ringer. He wanted Roman to run

484
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: it and said that for a while and put Roman

485
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: through his paces and even put him on the early

486
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: rungs of the ladder to run it. He told Shiv

487
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: flat out, I want it to be you. It's you.

488
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: I want you to run to the point that Shiv said,

489
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: you know, is this real? Is this real? Because you

490
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: know that's Logan's way. He dangles something, he pulls it away.

491
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 1: I think when he drafted the document, the original document,

492
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: I think he probably did want Ken to be CEO,

493
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: and I think when he crossed it out he didn't

494
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: want Ken to be see yeah, exactly.

495
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you one more question, because I

496
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: think when do you think the document is from? I

497
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: think from the first season because one of theirs, one

498
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: of my favorite things about it is on the document

499
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: he just wrote Greg question mark. Now. Greg was like, oh,

500
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: this this is because he wants me to be Kendall's

501
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: number two, and everyone's like.

502
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: Nice, try. I like Frank, Greg, I love a good job. Try.

503
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: Like I like to think that Logan wrote that, like

504
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: in the at the timeline of the first episode where

505
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: he he's just like Greg, like, who the fuck is that?

506
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: Because he just Greg question mark? Who whoo? I think

507
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: that that's probably right, and I think that when he

508
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: crossed it out, I also think it's a crossout. I

509
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: think he crossed it and I think he crossed it.

510
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: I think he crossed it out when Ken killed the

511
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: guy when you could kill the way yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

512
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Like well I killed the waiter, He's like a.

513
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: Fucking yeah, he's at that point, he's just a reckless

514
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: risk for your business.

515
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: I found the the scene, you know, any time because

516
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: these characters They're like spiders in a jar with nothing

517
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: to eat but each other. And so whenever there's like

518
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: a moment of kindness or gratitude it is, you just

519
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: see it and you notice it, and it lands with

520
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: incredible strength and power. And there was that moment where

521
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, like Ken has betrayed Slash backstab Slash undercut

522
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: Slash left Stewie, his former college friend like hanging a

523
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: million times now formally recall, Stewie was gonna back Ken

524
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: for a hostile takeover the infamous Bear Hug to take

525
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: over the company, and they were going to seize power

526
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: from Logan. But then because Ken killed the guy, he

527
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: couldn't do it anymore because, as he says to to

528
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: Stuwie in this scene, he says, there was no card

529
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: he was going to play against me, aka, my dad

530
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: was basically going to tell the world that I killed

531
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: a guy that and I was gonna be screwed. But

532
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 1: then they so they have this back and forth and

533
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: Stewie makes a very funny Stewie kind of burn about how,

534
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: oh I heard Logan died when he saw your He

535
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: died choking when he saw your business plan for beers.

536
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: But they then they embrace and it's like, you know,

537
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: you could tell that Ken really needed it. That was

538
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: such a such a strong moment.

539
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been doing a great job of that this season.

540
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: There's also the moment that really stood out to me

541
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: this episode, which is like extra heartbreaking because of what

542
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: goes on to happen once the paper is found, but

543
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: when Ken, Rome and Shiv are reading the obits about

544
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: their dad and they're like translating what it means so

545
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: they'll be like a man of his era and they're

546
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: like he was a racist.

547
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: Racist, And there's this there's this like.

548
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: Absolute bonding and love and kind of laughter and lightness

549
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: that we never get to see them share. And it's

550
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: that moment of solidarity of what they've done, how they

551
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: kind of beat Logan in the end, how he died,

552
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: and then obviously Logan manages to fuck it up beyond

553
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: the grave with some doodles. But I love that. Yeah,

554
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: those two moments really stood out to me because when

555
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: same with Rome being nice to carry, Yeah, it was

556
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: such a slight kind of Also, Rome was very upset

557
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: by the pr plan to like shit on you know, Logan.

558
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: He hated it. He does not like conflict.

559
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: He does not like it, which is ironic because he

560
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: has arguably more reason. Him and Connor, I would say,

561
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: are up there for like people that Logan.

562
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: Treated the worst. Yeah, I wonder if.

563
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: That softness and that kind of emotionality that we see

564
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: with Kerry, that we see there in that moment, how

565
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: is that going to affect him and Ken. I actually

566
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: think Shive is better off not being involved, because I

567
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: think Kendall's going to absolutely destroy Roman in pursuit for

568
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: this power.

569
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think what we're seeing is

570
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: much like a Sith lord of the rule of two.

571
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing Ken step into the cape of

572
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: his evil father here, especially with the moves he made

573
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: at the end and the way he just instinctively cuts

574
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: Roman and of course Shive out of this decision towards

575
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: the end. I will say that one thing, you know,

576
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: thinking about again, that that moment with Roman and Carrie,

577
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: he reminds me of you know, one of my other

578
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: favorite shows, mad Men, Pete Campbell for Madman, who was

579
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: a piece of shit, uh you know, uh. Sexual assault

580
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: was out like hitting on teenage nannies that his neighbor had,

581
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: but was also like strangely the guy who would like

582
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: go at his coworkers for being racist about stuff, and

583
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, got absolutely up in arms when someone said

584
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: something disparaging about Martin Luther King and didn't understand why

585
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to uh sell products to the black market.

586
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: Very very very conflicting guy. And I feel that with

587
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: Roman the way it's like he's conflict of verse but

588
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: also like an absolutely horrendous person whose politics probably huw

589
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: pretty closely to making the nazense.

590
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's some kind of moral compass.

591
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: There's one thing on like a one to one basis.

592
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: But then he's also the guy who like offered like

593
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: a child, like a million dollars, remember like thing during

594
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: the softball game at the very first episode of the show.

595
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: So he's just a very very strange guy. What an

596
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: incredible season of succession this is. I wish we had another.

597
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: I wish there was another season. I wish I wish

598
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: it was not ending. Uh, stay tuned for more market

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Speaker 1: moves in your podcast feed. Do you want to be

600
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601
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602
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Speaker 1: be successful like us? Do you want to be climbing

603
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Speaker 1: a ladder made of the skulls of the people who

604
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: dared bet against you. Give life, in your personal life,

605
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Speaker 1: in your in your career, all of it. Do you

606
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: want to just like be ripping spines of your enemies

607
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Speaker 1: out and then eating their eyeballs out and all in

608
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Speaker 1: the while the commas and and and digits are just

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Speaker 1: increasing in your grank accounts all the time. Listen to

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Speaker 1: market Moves, stop stops, bonds trading, Listen to it all

611
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Speaker 1: Marga Moves every Wednesday. Up next, Yellowjackets.

612
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: We're stepping out of the air lock and into Yellow

613
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: Jackets Season two, episode four, almost halfway through the season,

614
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: and things are getting absolutely wild. This episode is called

615
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: Old Wounds, was directed by Scott Wyinnan and written by

616
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: Julia Bicknell and Liz Fang. In the nineties, Wilderness, It's Chili,

617
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: It's called It's Snowy and Tie and Van are out

618
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: in the woods. Seems like a bad idea, but sure

619
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: they have a mission. They are marketing the trees that

620
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: nighttime Tie has been leading them to. Van wants Tie

621
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 2: to tell Lottie she's still on that kind of trip.

622
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: She wants her to tell Lotti so that Lottie can

623
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: work out what ties supernatural connection to the forest is.

624
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: But ty is having none of it. She's still very

625
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: firmly on team logic at this point. Probably should have

626
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: listened to Van because in the modern day, we see

627
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: that Tye is watching Nighttime Tie go through her things.

628
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: She's in a strange kind of pseudo comatose state where

629
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: she can't stop Nighttime Tie, but she's seeing her and

630
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: the boom she wakes up. She's out of gas in

631
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: her car or her assistance car. I actually believe in

632
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: a rural roadside space next to a forest, and all

633
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: that she has in the car is a file next

634
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: to her that says yellow jackets dun d d D.

635
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: Things do not going well for Tie. Basically, get help, babe, We.

636
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: Seek help expeditiously. I beg you. You cannot go another

637
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: half daily like this. You're losing time every two or

638
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: three hours. This is not Cannibal, It's not good. You

639
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: did not keep doing this. The only time.

640
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: I've ever seen this happened to someone on a fictional

641
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: TV show was Hannibal, and Hannibal Lecter was literally manipulating

642
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 2: Will Graham.

643
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: To make this happen to him.

644
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: So the fact this is happening without Hannibal Elector doing it,

645
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: it's going badly for you. Also going badly Shanna and Jeff.

646
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: They're arguing because, you know, as we know, Callie told

647
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: the cops that her mum was having an affair with Adam.

648
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: They don't know it was Callie yet, but we do,

649
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: and Jeff's not happy about it. Nat is having a

650
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: rather good time at the wellness camp.

651
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: It's strange. She wants to She wants to.

652
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: Find out Lotty's secrets and discover what's happening with Travis,

653
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: what she did to him. But she is bonding with Lisa,

654
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: who was the young girl that we met who was

655
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: This is a.

656
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: Nice little paracter. I'm a fan.

657
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a true kindness here and Lisa has

658
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: a lot of empathy for Natalie. So they're going on

659
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: a They're gonna go on a little trip today. Lots

660
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 2: of road tripping going on this episode. Speaking of road trips, Misty,

661
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: she is still very worried about Nat and basically all

662
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: of her friends have forgotten about her. Shaun has wrapped

663
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: up in you know, doing a murder. Tires has multiple personalities.

664
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: One of whom only wakes up at night time, and

665
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: Natalie has been kidnapped in as Occult, So Misty really

666
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: wants to find out what's going on, and she's teaming

667
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: up with Walter to go on the second road trip

668
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: this episode so that she can find out where nat

669
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: is and follow the Purple people to Will what we

670
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: know is Lotty's compound, but she is still trying to

671
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: work it out. Missy's calling everyone up. Her sociopathic tendencies

672
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: are coming out. She's calling everyone, She's leaving them voice notes.

673
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: But Walter, who is forever positive, is like, well, it's

674
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: pretty rare to have a friend who relentlessly.

675
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: Has your back.

676
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: He ucky, he loves that. Then he's like, why don't

677
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: we put on some music? And only As is musicals,

678
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: and Misty freaks out. She's like, fuck you, you are

679
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: a stalker. You love the Yellow Jackets, I'm your favorite.

680
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: I'm flat, but like, why are you doing this? I

681
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: have no time for this. I'm out And he's like, no, no,

682
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: I just love musicals. I actually don't care about Yellow Jackets.

683
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: I want a crash.

684
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I think that there's something going on, obviously,

685
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: and I think he doth as we said in the

686
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: previous episode, I think he doth protest a little too much.

687
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: That said the I'm skipping ahead a little bit. But

688
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: when they that side by side Seagans where we see

689
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: Misty and Walter kind of both going through their same

690
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: OCD paranoia routines of like checking their hotel room for

691
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: bugs and using a black line, doing all this stuff,

692
00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: unscrewing the lamps. Everything led me to feel like, I

693
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: think you only do that if there is something while

694
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: he is hiding something. I think there is something innocent

695
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: ish about what he's doing.

696
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: I think he's looking for a kindred spirit. And I

697
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: did believe this could just be Elijah Wood's incredible acting.

698
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: He's so good in this role. But I did believe

699
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: him when he said he didn't care.

700
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: He was like, that was thirty years ago.

701
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: He didn't even get the number right. He's like, that's

702
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: irrelevant to me. I care about new crimes, and really,

703
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: I just want to work with you because you're a

704
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: famous true crime detective on the Reddit wards, so you know,

705
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: those two they're doing that thing. Interestingly, we get this

706
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: they put on, you know, a musical number, and then

707
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: we jump back to the nineties, and we see Crystal

708
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: and Misty singing that same song, and those two are

709
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: obviously just getting incredibly close. It's very cute, it's very

710
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: positive for Misty. Shanna is not feeling positive. She's accusing

711
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: the crew of stealing meat. Mari's then like, well it

712
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: was probably Coach Bear and Coach Ben's like, well you yeah,

713
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: he was like he was like fuck you, Like what

714
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: would you do about it? Like he's trying to get

715
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: He's really trying to become dinner. I truly believe it.

716
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: But also like, I think he makes a great point,

717
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: which is like what am I gonna hobble out to

718
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: the meat? Did that is to carry the meat? Like

719
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm on crutches, I have I have one leg. How

720
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: am I gonna carry the meat back? Like? How am

721
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: I gonna do all that?

722
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 2: He makes that good point, but then he does follow

723
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: up by saying like what are you gonna do?

724
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: Eat me? I mean, it's a it's a pressing concern.

725
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: And I did I do wonder if they won't eat him? Yeah?

726
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna eat him.

727
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: He's he's on my if I was if I was

728
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: doing a ranking.

729
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: List of most likely to be snacked on in yellow jackets.

730
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: He would be number one. Nat tries to cool it

731
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: down and sort of says, look, I'm I'm just trying

732
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: to help everyone survive. Marie turns on that and is like,

733
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: you are the reason this is all a problem because

734
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: you won't drink a lot He's blood. You won't let

735
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: her bless you, And that says, very pointedly and very truthfully,

736
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: like me and Travis are the only one who actually

737
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: do any hunting. Yes, everything that's happened with Lott is

738
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: just a coincidence. They don't believe it. And in one

739
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: of the stupidest choices in the situation, but one of

740
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: the smartest and most realistic teenage narrative choices they make

741
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: in this they decide that they're going to do a

742
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: game where NAT's gonna go out and hunt. Lotty's gonna

743
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: go out without a gun.

744
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: It she doesn't need it.

745
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: And it's a very interesting setup because we kind of

746
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: see how Lotty is almost she is not the leader

747
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: that we kind of thought she was. She's almost unintentionally

748
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: being pushed into this position because of these visions that

749
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: she's had, because of these things that she's seen and

750
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: the girls are putting her on this pedestal, and not

751
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: only that, but they're not giving her equal footing, so

752
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: she heads off. Nat has a gun and Lottie has

753
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 2: nothing other than you know, blood magic.

754
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: If I was Nat, I would be like, am I

755
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: going insane? Mm hmm. We're the ones who go out

756
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: with the gun and shoot the thing and come back.

757
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: Lottie is just sitting here. Even though it would be

758
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: so pissed, I would be so mad. I'd be like,

759
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: you guys are fucking insane. You do it, then you

760
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: go fucking you go get that rest. Why don't you

761
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: have Lottie bless you? And then you go out and

762
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: find some meat. Then, if she may, it so easy,

763
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: it's all about Lotti.

764
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: She's like, look, you all just sitting here on your

765
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: asses all day doing nothing and me and Travis are

766
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: out there hunting. Like it's ridiculous. I will say very

767
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: interesting because we kind of see NAT's logical team gaining

768
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of ground as the episode goes on,

769
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: and it feels like, oh, maybe they're getting back to reality,

770
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: and then we get this kind of Bonker's final five

771
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: minutes that totally turns things upside down. So Natalie and

772
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: her new friend Lisa are off on another road trip.

773
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: The head enough to sell some honey that the cult makes.

774
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: Remember from those bloody bee hives what he thought that

775
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: she or her bees were learned. And we heard a

776
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: spooky voice that said he wants blood in French. Very

777
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: scary stuff. No blood in this honey, but they're going

778
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: off to send it. But it's very interesting because Natalie,

779
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: the rebel that she is, she really wants to help

780
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: Lisa and she's trying to scope out whether or not

781
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: there is something dodgy going on here. Lisa claims there's

782
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: not rules and you can do whatever you want. But

783
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: when Lisa goes with other members of the wellness community,

784
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: she's not allowed to see her family. Sounds like a

785
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: cult to me.

786
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: So exciting, very explicitly like a cult.

787
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 2: It's explicitly like colts. So Nat says, we're going to

788
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: see your mom. They go see the mum, and Lisa

789
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: claims it's because she wants to see her fish, who's

790
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: called the fourteenth Gillie, and he's very cute. But there's

791
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: clearly some underlying issues here and Natalie can't help but

792
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: get a little bit involved.

793
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the mom sucks.

794
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: Quite the mom sucks.

795
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: The mom sucks really sucks.

796
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: And I think they do a great twist because when

797
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: you go there, she seems to be supportive, but as

798
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: the conversation goes on, she starts doing some really explicitly

799
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: horrible things, especially for people who have mental health issues.

800
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: While Lottie told Nat and Lisa, I can't come with you,

801
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: I've got to go to the bank, she's actually at

802
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: the psychiatrist asking to up her meds because she doesn't

803
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: want to have the visions, which I think is very telling.

804
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: Yes, it proves.

805
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: That whatever is going on with her wellness community, at

806
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: least as far as we know and as she seems

807
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: to know, unless she has a nighttime lotty type situation

808
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: going on, the visions are not involved in the cult.

809
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: She doesn't want them.

810
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: She wants them to go away, and she's willing to

811
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: up her meds to do so. Her normal psychiatrist is

812
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: not there. I think if you want to play into that,

813
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: is there a bigger cult situation going on that other

814
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: people are controlling. You could make a lot of argument

815
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: for this, but I like her new doctor. Her new

816
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: doctor has an idea. She says what might if you

817
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: just stop trying to repress these visions, yes, and actually

818
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: ask what they might be telling you.

819
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: Yes, this is actual therapy.

820
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: Maybe the fact that you've been institutionalized since you were

821
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: a kid, since this really traumatic thing happened with you,

822
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: and they've drugged you to stop you thinking about this.

823
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: Maybe you should have a conversation about what the visions

824
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: are and what's going on before we up your dosage,

825
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 2: and lots like, well, what could they tell me? They're

826
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: not real? And I think that's a really interesting moment.

827
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: That was the moment where I realized that they've done

828
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: something very interesting, which is set up Lottie to be

829
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: a lot more ominous figure and then subverted that and

830
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: let you know that whatever is going Lottie is a

831
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: victim of it as well a passenger to it. She

832
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: is at some point in the past come to the

833
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: realization that her visions, perhaps because there's too troubling or

834
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: too violent or whatever, are not messages, are not prophecies,

835
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: are not real, and she just really just wants them

836
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: at this point to stop, but has also somehow managed

837
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: to kind of parley the mystique around them. Yeah to

838
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: having it. I mean I'll just still I'm still calling

839
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: it a cult and to be able to kind of

840
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: like attract people to her and form this cult like organization.

841
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: And you're right, she definitely is using the notoriety of

842
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: what happened. I mean, she has bees, they make honey,

843
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: yeah people. The fact that Natalie knows her. We haven't

844
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: had anyone who's explicitly asked not about their past, but

845
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: the fact that Nat knows her makes her notorious in

846
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: the group. Like there's almost a celebrity to it. And

847
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: I doubt that there's anyone there who doesn't know what

848
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: Lottie went through.

849
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: So I think that's a really good read.

850
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: It's like she's someone who's been in a shit situation

851
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: who's kind of parlayed it into stability.

852
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: And success and wealth.

853
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: But is it at the cost of other people in

854
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: this kind of dangerous cult set up.

855
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: X Ray Vision will be back and We're back.

856
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: Shanna, Shanna, Shanna, this.

857
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: Is this, this moment is listen. I'm all for telling

858
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: the truth. I'm all for telling your family members what's

859
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: going on with you and letting them in and letting

860
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: them into your anxieties, and but this choice that Shawna

861
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: makes you could not get this out of me by waterboarding.

862
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: There's no way anything doesn't torture never gonna happen. No,

863
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: Shawna after a great kind of suburban mum interaction that

864
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: I think most of our parents probably had, where she

865
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: thanks the friend of Callie's you know, the parent of

866
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: Callie's friend, and she says, oh, thanks for having CALLI over.

867
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 2: I should start paying you because she's there so much.

868
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: And the friend's mom says, oh, no, Cally hasn't been there,

869
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: and it all starts to click into place Callie's lying

870
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: to Shanna. Shawna decides she's gonna investigate Callie's room. Kelly

871
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: is truly her mum's daughter because she just left Adam's

872
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: burnt license in her dresser, not hidden, not worried about it,

873
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: and in a truly extreme Shorana moment that I loved

874
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: because I really did not like bless Melanie Linsky, I

875
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: did not know which route she was gonna go here,

876
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: Shauna just picks up her daughter, drives her into a

877
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: fucking cornfield like she's going to do a mob hit

878
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: on her. But then, as you alluded to, confesses everything

879
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: and tell.

880
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: Us good fesssn't murder to her who is actively speaking

881
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: to the police right now, Like.

882
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: Literally, she is dating and texting a cop who is

883
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 2: still pretending not to be a cop, which I think

884
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: probably makes most of this inadmissible, but there's probably some

885
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: kind of blurry lines there. But also you have to

886
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: tell me.

887
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: That's the rule.

888
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you a cop, you have to tell me

889
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: why didn't Kelly ask him? But like Callie, at what

890
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: point has she ever proven to you that she is loyal,

891
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: has solidarity, or any sense of smarts. I like, what

892
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: made you do this?

893
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what Mayner do this? It is that

894
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: thing that we talked about in a previous episode, which

895
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: is that Shauna her the driving yes force of her personality,

896
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: is that she wants to destroy her life. She absolutely

897
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: thought of you when I watched this. She doesn't like

898
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: what her life is, She's bored by it, she finds

899
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: it unexciting. She wants something else, she wants something more dangerous,

900
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: and she will actively work against her own interest to

901
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: destroy her life bit by bit, and so here she's

902
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: doing it in Yeah, you know, we do blow up

903
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: my life. It's a new It's just like another risk

904
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: to take here's an So I've already committed a murder

905
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: and I've covered it up and then I uh, and

906
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: then I went and destroyed evidence kind of not really.

907
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: And also while I was there destroying evidence, I had

908
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: sex with my husband there, leaving certainly more trace evidence

909
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: than any medical examiner could find. And now, because that's

910
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: not enough risk to fully destroy my life because now

911
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: my husband and I are kind of getting along. Now,

912
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: what I need to do now is confess to my daughter,

913
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: who is actively in a relationship with a cop, that

914
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: I killed a guy that they're looking for that they're

915
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: trying to solve his murder. Shawna, don't do it. I mean,

916
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: it makes sense in this most in a demented way,

917
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: but it's also like so crazy. Yeah.

918
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: Also like it shows how to connected Seawana is from

919
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: reality at this point because she just tries to play

920
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: it off so casual. Kelly is just like freaking, yeah,

921
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: I did it.

922
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: I did it.

923
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: And Kelly's like, what the fuck you murdered someone? And

924
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: she is like well yeah, and she's like I knew

925
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: dad didn't have anything to do with this, and she's like, well,

926
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: your dad was the blackmail off and he's kind of

927
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 2: the reason this happened, and as Jeff will rightfully point

928
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: out later, you just made your daughter a murder accomplice.

929
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: So good job suburban psychopaths, those two.

930
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 2: So, speaking of people with sociopathic tendencies, Mistery and Walter

931
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: make it. He has some useful info from a diner

932
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 2: worker who tells him that the cult do not tip

933
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: well boo, because they have.

934
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: A lot of money.

935
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: They have a lot of money, she tells them, while

936
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 2: they sell honey a farmer's market, you can head over there.

937
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: And then what I like to call a very Game

938
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: of Thrones moment, they go to the farmer's market and

939
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: you're like, Wow, she's gonna find Natalie. But obviously Natalie

940
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: and Lisa I never made it, and you're sort.

941
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: Of like, oh no, why would that happen?

942
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 2: Sorry to Misty, she's very upset in the wilderness. Things

943
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 2: are going badly. Maray is hearing her Lady Macbeth dripping

944
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: Lotty decides the only way she can find some meat

945
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 2: is to commit blood magic, cutting open her hand. Nat

946
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: actually finds that giant white moose in a lake. Is

947
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: it the moose from last episode that was maybe not real?

948
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: Is real? Was a ghost of this moose? Yeah, something

949
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: like unclear.

950
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: There's a big stag and Lottie ends up becoming completely disoriented,

951
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: stumbles across and this is a big shock. The Lost

952
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: fans out there were surely screaming when this occurred.

953
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: Oh, it was very This felt like they know that.

954
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,479
Speaker 1: I think they're cheek.

955
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to traw people, like a lot

956
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: of people in our discord, like in a friendly way,

957
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people in our disc God, it's seen

958
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: this on the What's coming next, and they kind of

959
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 2: felt like it was going to be that lost moment.

960
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: So she finds Laura Lee's plane, the plane that we

961
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: saw get destroyed in season one that exploded over the lake.

962
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: It is not destroyed, and inside is a teddy Bear.

963
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: And not only that, but under the teddy Bear's seat

964
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 2: is a tunnel that leads into the ground, and that

965
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: tunnel leads to an elevator, and Lottie comes out of

966
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: the elevator into a nineties mall where her teammates are

967
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: eating in a food court and a Florence in the

968
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 2: machine cover of the No Return theme song is playing

969
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 2: eerily weird vibes I mean more and more.

970
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this is some sort of multiverse thing crossed

971
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: with the final destination thing, the Final Yeah, certainly Lottie's

972
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: final scene in the present and makes me feel like

973
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: they stole from death or something like that, and now

974
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: they're and everything that's happening is because they owe some

975
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of cosmic debt to something.

976
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: I think that we get a lot of hints this

977
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: time that either there's some kind of multiversal situation or

978
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: some kind of timey whimy two universes string theory existing

979
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: at the same time. The kids in the nineties and

980
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 2: the adults now are all living in the same time

981
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: but separated by like a veil. It's all very interesting

982
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: and another unique discovery. I will say this is a

983
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: good classic horror trope. Here Van maps out all the

984
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: creepy symbol trees that Ty has been visiting late at

985
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: night and shot horror. If you connect them, they make

986
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 2: the creepy cult symbol of it. It's so good, it's

987
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: so pleasing, it's so enjoyable, it's so silly, and time

988
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 2: makes a very good point. You know, this is something

989
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: that's been used in history and horror are in you know,

990
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: Alan Moore's from hell. They have something along these lines,

991
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: and time makes a good point. You could just connect

992
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: them in any shape, right, It doesn't have to be

993
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 2: that way, does there You be that shape? I guess

994
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: to and Van's argument is, well, this is the order

995
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: you found them, so there's some kind of order there.

996
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: But I'm on Tie's side with this.

997
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: I am as well.

998
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 2: Van Van says, Look, if I'm right and these trees

999
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 2: mean something, there will be another tree in this specific

1000
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: location and we'll be able to find it. It will have

1001
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 2: the symbol, and that will prove that this is something

1002
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: rather than nothing. Back in the present day, Nat in

1003
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: a moment, I just this endeared me to her so much.

1004
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: Nat has had enough of Lisa's shitty mum. Lisa's shitty

1005
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 2: mom crosses the line and basically Lisa's history of suicidal

1006
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: ideation and her mom starts describing very viscerally a way

1007
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: that Lisa could kill herself.

1008
00:56:58,600 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: It's like one of the worst.

1009
00:56:59,440 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: Things you can do.

1010
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: It's really really just horrible, really.

1011
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: Truly extremely fucked up and dangerous, and Nat just totally

1012
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: freaks out, yells at Lisa's mom, gets Lisa out of

1013
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: the house and very sweet moment and classic weird Juliette

1014
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: lewis Nat energy here steals Lisa's goldfish, the fourteenth Gillie,

1015
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: by just putting it in her mouth in a mouthful

1016
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,439
Speaker 2: of water and then spits it out into a water

1017
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: cup and is like, here you go. And their bond

1018
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: here is kind of cemented. This is now a two

1019
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: way friendship. This is someone. This is Nat showing Lisa

1020
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: that she cares about her too. And then we get

1021
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: to and this was you. You mentioned this moment already.

1022
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite moments in the series. It's

1023
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: so well done, it's so fun. It leans so much

1024
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: into what's great about Misty. We get this great side

1025
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: by side montage of Misty and Walter, you know, booking

1026
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: themselves into this B and B. Walter wants them to.

1027
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: Share a room.

1028
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: Misty says no, and then we basically see that they're

1029
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: sort of their two peas in a pod. Yes, they

1030
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: don't know it, they're separated by a wall, but we

1031
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: see them. They both look for listening devices all over

1032
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: the room they cover. They put the remote control in

1033
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: a little plastic ziploc bag that they carry with them

1034
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: everything they do.

1035
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: They do.

1036
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: They are kindred spirits and they can almost sense it.

1037
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 2: As they go to bed, they sort of can't really

1038
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 2: get comfortable because they can almost feel this closeness between them.

1039
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: It's very sweet and I truly am rooting for this

1040
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: weirdo couple. Misty deserves some love. She's always been single.

1041
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: It's time. Maybe Walter is the guy we'll see in

1042
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: the mystery Mall, Lottie is freaking out. She's sitting at

1043
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: the table and her friends are kind of ragging on her,

1044
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: and she wants to eat the food, but she's also

1045
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: really cold, and she's starting to realize that the mall

1046
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: is not real. Sorry to the Lost fans, it's a hallucination.

1047
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: And of course she's actually freezing in the middle the forest,

1048
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: and the friends are just figments of her imagination, trying

1049
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: to help her keep safe. And it seems like Lottie

1050
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: may finally have lost her hold on the group because

1051
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: Nat has enlisted the rest of the survivors to go

1052
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: and get the frozen moose out of the lake. But

1053
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: and I will say this, I knew as this was

1054
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: gonna happen. They did not cut a big enough hole

1055
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: for that moose.

1056
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a moose. I'm watching this and what

1057
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: is a moose weigh two thousand pounds?

1058
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: Like?

1059
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: How heavy? Is? There is no way like eight young people,

1060
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: starving people standing on ice, I'm gonna fucking draw the

1061
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: moose out of the water.

1062
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: No way. What they had, what they should have done. Look,

1063
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: water is like flotation. If they'd have cut around the

1064
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: whole moose, maybe the moose would have rose risen a

1065
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: little bit. Instead, they tie a thing around its neck.

1066
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: They try and pull out of this tiny hole, low

1067
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: and behold. Sorry to that those survivors. The moose is gone,

1068
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: floats down into the depth. Was the moose even real?

1069
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: This is still I think it was. I think it

1070
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: was real. Yeah, here's what I say.

1071
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 2: You do.

1072
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: You tie the rope around the moose's neck. You tie

1073
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: the other end to a tree. Now you cut the hole. Okay, smart,

1074
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: Now you cut the hole because the ice would the

1075
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: ice was saying that was keeping it up. So you

1076
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: just try and slowly pull it up as much as

1077
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: you can, retying on the tree so that at least

1078
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: there's an anchor and you're not there holding on to

1079
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: the other end of a two ton animal that's drag

1080
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: you into the water. Yeah, that's a good point, and

1081
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: it is. Truly, this is one of those moments where

1082
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: you just know.

1083
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: It's like a game changer moment because if they'd have

1084
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: actually got that moose, as Nap points out, there was probably.

1085
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: Enough meat to keep them going till spring.

1086
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: Yes, now they don't have that, we know what meat

1087
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: they're going to turn to more than likely, Yes, And

1088
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: it's just bad times.

1089
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: Shanna.

1090
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 2: She's continuing the Jason trademarked blowing up her life by

1091
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: telling Jeff that she told Kelly about Adam. But the

1092
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: best thing is she dude, She's just like, I think

1093
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: we're all going to be fine.

1094
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: And he's like, what do you mean for all of us?

1095
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: She's like, what do you mean all of us?

1096
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, I told Cally that we that

1097
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: we you know, I killed Adam and we covered it up.

1098
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: And he's like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

1099
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: He's like, as.

1100
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: Parents, we're meant to just like not fuck up our kids.

1101
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: We're supposed to throw ourselves in the way of danger,

1102
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: and Sauna, you're right radical. Honestly, She's like, I'm sick

1103
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 2: of lying to everyone. I don't I'm lying to every

1104
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: single person in my day to day life. I don't

1105
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 2: want to lie to my door.

1106
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: Well, what about the cops? Everybody like radical honesty for

1107
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: everybody except the polic cops.

1108
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 2: And hilariously, I don't know if she's playing a game.

1109
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if she's endeared by the fact that

1110
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: her mum kind of alluded to the horrors of the

1111
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: forest and how much it affected her.

1112
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: But Kelly shows up, yeah.

1113
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: And Jeff's like, oh, aren't you going to your friend's

1114
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: house tonight? And she was like, oh, well, she haven't.

1115
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 2: She's being honest. She's like, I haven't been staying at

1116
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 2: my friend's house. I've been going to the park. I'm

1117
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: surely bad places to do, but going to the park

1118
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: and hanging out with a boy, and I'm not gonna

1119
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: do that anymore. So like, how can I help you?

1120
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: And suddenly they're playing happy families Because these three are

1121
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 2: the most fucked up people in the show. I truly

1122
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: believe that, like the way they can just be in denial,

1123
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: it's just they are just on it and they are.

1124
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: Playing happy families. Good for them.

1125
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: As we mentioned, you know, the moose in the Wilderness

1126
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: did not come to the fruit did not come to

1127
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: fruition in the way that Natalie had hoped. She sort

1128
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: of ended up freezing in the water. She's in their

1129
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: very luxurious spa. It's just is a timbath and I

1130
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,479
Speaker 2: guess they're heating water from the snow on the fire.

1131
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: It seems like it would take them a long time

1132
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: to fill that up. I have had to fill up

1133
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: a bath with boiling water. But you know, they did it.

1134
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: They committed, and everyone is feeling down, but also I

1135
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 2: feel like a little bit grounded. It seems like Team

1136
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: Logic has a little bit more argument on its side.

1137
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: Now there really was meat. Natalie almost caught it, whereas

1138
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: Lotti doesn't have anything. Lot Oh, Mari and Nikia come

1139
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: back and they have Lotti. Lotti doesn't have any food.

1140
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: Lotti does have hypothermia. And Nat is like, you know what,

1141
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: get get into this tub and we're gonna bond. We're

1142
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: gonna kind of fake shit talk each other.

1143
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: And while we.

1144
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: Didn't get any meat, at least we are now kind

1145
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: of on better terms and things seem to be going okay.

1146
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: One thing that I think this is a wonderful It's

1147
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: a wonderful gesture and of course, like this is obviously

1148
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: Lotti is in real treacherous straits, you know. But I

1149
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: I when Natalie said this is my fault, I completely disagree.

1150
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: I would disagree.

1151
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: It's fucking not. It's everybody else who is suggesting that

1152
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: Lotti is somehow actually like actively getting every food when

1153
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: she doesn't ever leave, And it's not necessarily Lottie's fault.

1154
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: But she also could have stood up and been like, hey,

1155
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: let's big hand for Nat who is gone out there

1156
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: in the cold every day to go get us fucking food.

1157
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, she could have also just said something along the

1158
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: lines of like, you know what, the reason that Nat

1159
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: and Travis haven't gotten enough food at the moment is

1160
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 2: because it's winter. But I think if we all come together,

1161
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,959
Speaker 2: we can like do we each have a part to play,

1162
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: and she can keep making them the blood tea. She

1163
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 2: didn't have to go along with the game. I agree

1164
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 2: with you. I do not believe that it's Natalie's fault. Also,

1165
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: Natalie was happy for them to split the gun or

1166
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: to flick the coin and you know, have Lotti perhaps

1167
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: have the gun. But yeah, I disagree, it is not

1168
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: Natalie's fault. Natalie is truly one of the realist and

1169
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: smartest people left in that forest.

1170
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1171
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: Lotti is definitely in a bit of like a disassociative state.

1172
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: I think at that point where she's just letting things

1173
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: happen to her, and she is re entering that place.

1174
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: I feel like in the present, she's going through affirmation cards.

1175
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: I suppose that people.

1176
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 2: Have written from the wellness group, and she starts to

1177
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 2: see ominous cards that say things like I'm grateful for

1178
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: my friends, and then she sees a Queen of Hearts

1179
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: playing card and is yeah, with the eyes crossed out.

1180
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 2: It's very creepy, very horror and she decides she's gonna

1181
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: get her trusty knife that by the way, she could

1182
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: have taken a knife into that forest, just saying in

1183
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: the nineties, but.

1184
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: She gets her adult knife.

1185
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: She goes back to the blood Magic Ways and she

1186
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,919
Speaker 2: cuts her hand over a strange stump that looks very

1187
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 2: similar to the stump that everyone is obsessed with in

1188
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: the nineties, the warm stump. Now, this I think is

1189
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: our biggest multiversal slash timey whimy like weird string theory

1190
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: esque hint, because she cuts her hand open and leads

1191
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: onto the stump, and she says something along the lines

1192
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: of like kill us just enough, which I think, like

1193
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: you said, it alludes to this final destination esque theory,

1194
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: and as she does, it tie in Van find the

1195
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: stump in the past. And obviously that's just good editing, probably,

1196
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: but it feels like there's something important there, like the

1197
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 2: magic that Lottie's doing in the future is actually affecting

1198
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,919
Speaker 2: things in the past rather than in the present day.

1199
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 2: And that becomes even more of an intriguing theory when

1200
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: they see someone running through the woods immediately after discovering

1201
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: the weird melting snow stump, and they chase him down

1202
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: and in a shocking twist that will surely upend everything,

1203
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 2: they find that the mysterious wintery figure is none other

1204
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: than Harvey.

1205
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: Dun Dun Du. He's alive. He's alive. How did he

1206
01:06:58,840 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: stay alive?

1207
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 2: This is the question going forward two months.

1208
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: Well, at least I think he must be. It's got

1209
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: to be some multiversal thing and he is in that

1210
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: pocket dimension, that place or something, and I like whether

1211
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: it was the blood that called him out or whatever,

1212
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that makes sense, because.

1213
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a hatch, there's a real hatch or the

1214
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 2: because they covered a lot of ground, they really searched

1215
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: for him, and so no surprises. They take Calvey back

1216
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 2: and Team Sumnatura is just going absolutely wild. Nat can't

1217
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: believe it.

1218
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: She is fucked because I think you can. I mean,

1219
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: they well, I did find the pants, and I thought

1220
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: that that's.

1221
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: What it was. I would agree that that is the

1222
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: route she should take. But as some eagle eyed X

1223
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 2: ray vision listeners pointed out, she did technically fake Harvey's

1224
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: death with a with a pair of bloody shorts that

1225
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: she planted in the woods because she wanted Travis to

1226
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: get over it, but still spend all his time.

1227
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: She could still say.

1228
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: Someone shorts out here, so like, yeah, that's how I

1229
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: think that's the way she should play it. Not looking

1230
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: good for her, but Lotti obviously she is also now

1231
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: fucked because Mari and everyone else starts going oh, Lotti

1232
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: was right. She said Harvey was alive, It's happening, and

1233
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 2: Van she cannot keep her excitement under wraps anymore. She

1234
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 2: promised Ty that the two of them would kind of

1235
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 2: keep Tie's connection and sleepwalking to themselves. But she bursts

1236
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: out and she says well a lot. He knew he

1237
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: was alive, but thy knew where to find him. Tye

1238
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: was the one who took us there. Who has this

1239
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 2: connection to the forest, and we're going to work out

1240
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 2: what it is.

1241
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: Dun da dud, dun dun dud.

1242
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: And that is not the only shocking return because ty

1243
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 2: in the present day, after hitchhiking very dangerously across Pennsylvania

1244
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 2: with a trucker who she buys a wonderful naked woman

1245
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 2: pen from, she gets there safely. Good for her because honestly,

1246
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: I think getting into he's one of hers. Yeah, you know, good,

1247
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 2: good for him. He voted for her.

1248
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: So she survives.

1249
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 2: That's huge, and she ends up in a small town.

1250
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 2: She gets out of the car. She heads towards a

1251
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: VHS video store with a Pride flag outside.

1252
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: I knew you had to. You see the Pride flag,

1253
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: You see the cool viages.

1254
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: You go inside and there's a beautiful ginger woman wearing

1255
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:39,879
Speaker 2: flannel played by Lauren Ambrose. It's adult man, she's it's happening,

1256
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 2: and she's standing in front of a board with different

1257
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: tapes that she recommends, all of which are absolutely just and.

1258
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: Really great movies.

1259
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: And also definite allusions to the things that we see

1260
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 2: happen in Yellow Jackets and the kind of first season.

1261
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, the amoral lesbian that back. Hopefully Van can

1262
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: help tie. We're going to be very close to that

1263
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 2: halfway mark. Next week is the halfway mark of this season,

1264
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: and we still have absolutely no idea what's going on.

1265
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 2: But it's a joy. It's a joy.

1266
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: Uh, it is really a joy. Yeah. I start I

1267
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 1: think more and more that you're kind of right about

1268
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: the present affecting somehow the past.

1269
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: Some kind of loop over rules, like there's some kind

1270
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 2: of time travels connected.

1271
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: There, Like there's something like that occurring where this show

1272
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: we I don't know necessarily how it would work yet,

1273
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: but what if, you know, we think this show is

1274
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: being edited together cut, we're cutting backward, we're coming back

1275
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: to the present, we're flashing back. But what if, like

1276
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: some how this is linear, somehow this is happening linearly.

1277
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 2: I wonder that too, if we're gonna go if we're

1278
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 2: imagining hypothetically tim foiling it going full lost, there is

1279
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: a version where everything they're experiencing is actually happening at

1280
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 2: the same time, where they're either experiencing a vision of

1281
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: what their future could be. They're in some kind of

1282
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: strange space, you know, we've talked about I think in

1283
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 2: the discord are the idea that you floated about some

1284
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 2: kind of nuclear army base is very popular. There could

1285
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: always be some kind of hell mouth element to that

1286
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 2: or something stranger things, you know, where you have a

1287
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 2: creature or a space where timelines blur. It's gonna be

1288
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 2: very interesting. I am still just blown away by how

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Speaker 2: intriguing they've kept the mystery. Yeah, but also how long

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Speaker 2: can you keep it going a question?

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Speaker 1: I do think that this back half of the season

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Speaker 1: is you know, to use Lost again as a kind

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Speaker 1: of model they made. Now, those were different television watching times, right,

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Speaker 1: just a different TV watching culture at the time, but

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Speaker 1: they got to think about as far as you could

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Speaker 1: go without any kind of concrete here's what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And I do think the back half of this season

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to start to really understand what's going

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Speaker 1: on or else the only way to avoid them, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the only way to kind of avoid that is shit

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Speaker 1: gets way crazier. And I think that that's also a possibility,

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Speaker 1: is that shit just gets way crazy. But I think

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Speaker 1: now with Lauren Ambrose here, adult Van here. It feels

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Speaker 1: like there's some momentum now to start letting us in

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Speaker 1: on what the fuck is happening.

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Speaker 2: And we have basically our core cost now existing as

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Speaker 2: both adults and young people for the first time. So

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Speaker 2: how that all comes together is going to be really

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Speaker 2: exciting to see.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can't wait up next nerd out.

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Speaker 2: In Today's not Out, Why you tell us what you

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Speaker 2: love and why? Or a theory that you're excited to share.

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Speaker 2: Cornelia shas a very airye and I think very likely

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Speaker 2: yellow jackets theory.

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Speaker 1: Wow, this is crazy. Hey Rosie, Hey Jason, long time,

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Speaker 1: first time. I had a thought, what if Shawna's wilderness

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Speaker 1: baby daddy isn't Jeff Done but the creepy wilderness spirit

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Speaker 1: slash man with no eyes slash dead hunter guy. What

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Speaker 1: if the reason Shawna's baby isn't a thing or even

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Speaker 1: reference to the president is because it was a creepy

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Speaker 1: Melissandra's style smoke baby or something. Then the quote he

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Speaker 1: inside of Shawna wanting blood, etc. It makes more sense.

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Speaker 1: Love you guys, have a great day. I you know

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Speaker 1: there might be something to this. I think so.

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Speaker 2: I think we're getting to the point now where the

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Speaker 2: baby and the fate of the baby is going to

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Speaker 2: be a huge touch point for whatever goes forward. And

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Speaker 2: I think if we're talking about strange, spiritual, ghostly situations

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Speaker 2: that we are now seeing alluded to as if they

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Speaker 2: are really happening rather than just visions, I would absolutely

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Speaker 2: see this as a theory. And I think I like

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Speaker 2: the specific idea of the kind of Melissandra smoke Baby.

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Speaker 2: I think that kind of horror trope of like, oh,

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Speaker 2: the baby is disfigured, or the baby is you know,

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Speaker 2: something wrong with it. It can go quite it can

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Speaker 2: become quite ablest or like weird, and this.

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Speaker 1: Show's very thoughtful.

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Speaker 2: So I think the smoke Baby scary kind of notion

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Speaker 2: of the baby almost not existing and only being able

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Speaker 2: to exist in the forest because Shawna really only knew

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Speaker 2: she was pregnant in the forest when she missed her

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Speaker 2: period when everyone else is sink. So I think there's

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Speaker 2: something very interesting here, especially because I think the two

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Speaker 2: most likely scenarios are something like this, or they eat

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Speaker 2: the baby, and now they're really going to eat the baby.

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Speaker 2: That's like the big question I have.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to leave you with this theory that

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Speaker 1: feels too hackey and obvious. But is it Jacob's Ladder?

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Speaker 1: What if they're dead? I think it's I think it's

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01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: very likely. I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Very likely purgatory lost. I still think that they might

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01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: be trying to do that ultimate impossible to do trope.

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Speaker 2: I think it's likely. In the breakdown of the credits

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Speaker 2: that I did at IGN that we spoke about here,

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Speaker 2: when you pause it, there is one scene, one flash

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Speaker 2: of the plane completely burnt out with van Or burnt

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Speaker 2: up on the plane, and I still I still think

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who haven't seen it, who want

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Speaker 1: to watch a really freaky psychological horror Jacobs Ladder. Nice

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Speaker 1: Thanks Cornelius. If you have theories or passions you want

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01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: to share, hit us up at x ray at cricket

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Speaker 1: dot com instructions or in the show notes. Well that's

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Speaker 1: it for us, Rosie. What have you two? Plug plug plug,

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Speaker 1: blug plug plug plut plug. I'm covering yellowjackets at IGN.

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Speaker 2: If you want to read all these kinds of theories

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Speaker 2: and thoughts that we have here, but in an even

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Speaker 2: deeper textual way, you can find me Rosie marks at

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Speaker 2: Instagram and letterbox. I think I should hopefully have something

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Speaker 2: very exciting to announce soon Fingers crossed and yeah here

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Speaker 2: twice a week good times.

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